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 No.2670891[Reply]

ITT: ask questions you think don't deserve their own thread, or are simple to the point they don't fit the character limit for thread creation.

This thread can be used by both leftists and non-leftists.

Contributions of individuals in reply to your questions do not represent the posters of this board as a whole.

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 No.2817335

What's wrong with business owners taking surplus value from their workers? Of course people get less than they make, because their surplus value has to go to things like electricity, upkeep of machinery, and all those other expenses. Business owners don't even take that much for profit relative to their company's net earnings.


 No.2817342

>>2817335

>Of course people get less than they make, because their surplus value has to go to things like electricity, upkeep of machinery, and all those other expenses.

This is separate from the profit extracted by the capitalist. Obviously it exists in any economic system.

>What's wrong with business owners taking surplus value from their workers?

<What's wrong with people taking what isn't theirs?


 No.2817394

>>2817335

>Business owners don't even take that much for profit

Bullshit, then what would the incentive be to start a business? 99% of businesses fail within 3 years, no one is going to take a chance like that unless there is at least a promise of a payoff.


 No.2817428

>>2817335

You should read more, that is a broad question. Even read more history of the way 20th century socialist states operated. It isn't as simple as "if walmart workers got profit share swallowed into wage share they'd only get $xx amount of money! That is so small!" because the forms of consumption available, production itself, has conformed to the logic of capitalism (to varying degrees by country). There are possibilities of consumption and production which are precluded, completely absent because capitalism is what directs production and it has its own constraints. So even beyond the direct ratio of dollars going to profit or wages, what we'd be talking about in another context regarding what is sort of "possible" to render to workers if capitalists stopped existing as a class wouldn't take dollars into account much at all, but would be looking at real resources available to achieve this or that thing. And this isn't just a total abstraction, you can literally look at several of the 20th century socialist states to see how they successfully achieved some massive restructuring of production and consumption in ways that would be inconceivably expensive for a country like America. Of course, they were still very expensive in terms of resources and labor for the 20th century socialists, but the point is they were capable of doing it while often even expanding the sorts of privileges workers were already granted. And of course, we'd want to do even better the next go around.

But I'd call what you are engaging in here a deep internalization of capitalist ideology. It appears you're looking at currency as representative of what would be possible to buy if the money was just shuffled around. This is a really limited view of things, as though the world was filled with supermarkets and stores that are indomitable fixtures of reality, and everything in those stores has a price, and those prices are roughly indomitable, and socialism would simply be dividing the money the boss makes to the workers so that they could buy more clothes and TVs at Target as it currently exists. Like capitalism itself and the way it has shaped production is actually immutable, and we are just asking for the boss's salary.


 No.2817442

>>2817335

You are talking about two different ratios like they're the same thing.

Rate of Surplus is the ratio of surplus value / wages. This determines how exploited people are. The rate of surplus in developed economies today can often range from 0.6 to 1.0, depending on wages and intensity. This means a third or even a half of your working day is doing unpaid labor!!!!

Rate of Profit is the ratio of total investment to profits. This includes electricity, materials, machines, etc.

Now here's the thing. Prices aren't magic. The price of any commodity INCLUDES the price of all the materials used in it, along with the price representation of the new labor value expended on it. What this means is that, under normal circumstances of circulation, the capitalists collectively CAN'T lose money. Every investment they collectively make is subsequently paid back to them from the labor of the workers. If one single capitalist gets ripped off on an investment, the one who ripped him off gets the gains, meaning the wealth of the porky class hasn't changed. So when you are looking at the social share of profits, the investments into machinery and electricity are irrelevant. You need only to directly compare the various incomes and consumption of the capitalists to the workers and their wages, and nothing else.

Now there is something else you need to consider, which is the way that porkies distort society. When porky spends all his money on luxuries, he isn't just making his life better than yours, he is actively making your life worse. When porky puts his golf courses and mansions smack dab in the middle of a city, he's taking up living and recreational quarters that workers could use, and making their commute longer. When he buys luxury sports cars, that's work put into cars nobody needs that could be put into helping people. You can just go down the list… It's GOOD we won't be able to afford the porky lifestyle just by redistributing the surplus, because the porky lifestyle is insane and unsustainable.




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 No.2816897[Reply]

‘I do not recognize my country’: Yellow Vests who have lost eyes, limbs demand justice from Macron

France gathered for the 15th week of Gilets Jaunes protests, with the injury toll of the worst civil unrest in decades now resembling that of a small war. Yet despite pleas from victims, Emmanuel Macron is tightening the screws.

https://www.rt.com/news/451632-france-yellow-vests-eye-hand-injuries/

Karl Marx's London memorial vandalised for second time

The tomb of Karl Marx in Highgate cemetery in London has been vandalised for the second time in the space of a month.The words “doctrine of hate” and “architect of genocide” were found daubed in red paint across the Grade I-listed monument in the north London graveyard on Saturday.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/16/karl-marxs-london-memorial-vandalised-for-second-time#img-1

US military planes land near Venezuela border with aid

The U.S. Air Force began flying tons of aid to a Colombian town on the Venezuelan border on Saturday as part of an effort meant to undermine socialist President Nicolas Maduro and back his rival to leadership of the South American nation.

https://apnews.com/a0104bdf3ceb4a14a883fbe5f19575df

Islamic State's 'caliphate' on brink of defeat in Syria

U.S.-backed fighters in Syria are poised to capture Islamic State’s last, tiny enclave on the Euphrates, the battle commander said on Saturday, bringing its self-declared caliphate to the brink of total defeat.

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 No.2817306

>>2817295

Yeah, and right-wingers forget Marx was married in a Catholic church, to a Catholic.


 No.2817320

>>2816897

Countries are for fascists.


 No.2817323

>>2817306

>a Catholic church, to a Catholic.

to the neetsoc that almost as bad as being jewish


 No.2817421

>>2816970

Was hitler a lawcuck?


 No.2817423

>>2817323

Yeah, but blows the whole Marx as a Jew thing out of the water. Besides, Marx was an atheist, famously. Religion is incompatible with scientific socialism.




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 No.2799712[Reply]

Okay okay I might have just made this thread to shill my latest video, but still there wasn't one in the catalog.

https://youtu.be/qxdjWNRYtvA

Discuss videogames shit and how to convert the current Bethesda hate into class consciousness.

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 No.2816824

>>2816792

Mass shooters don't represent a threat to imperialism.


 No.2816846

>>2816824

Until the President's bodyguard pulls one


 No.2817032

>>2816367

I'm not sure about playing a dark elf, seeing as that most of them are racists and support slavery … ? ? ?

playing as the majority race seems kind of like easy-mode too tbh.


 No.2817408

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>>2817032

because it's canon, outlander


 No.2817413

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>>2817032

>Not playing as a Khajiit

>Literally the best race in Elder Scrolls

Shame.




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 No.2816862[Reply]

"Capitalism is brutal, you know. I'm a Marxist." - Jimmy Dore

Nu The World According To Jimmy episode, fuckers

>Corporate Debt Crisis & Presidential Wars with Jimmy Dore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjkvcK-_kXo

>Producer Brigida Santos and Jimmy discuss the looming corporate debt crisis. Constitutional Lawyer Bruce Fein talks about ending wars started by presidents without congressional approval.

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 No.2817136

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>>2816983

>amazon

There's no call for that, now…


 No.2817145

File: 7f7e0edba7df86c⋯.pdf (3.29 MB, America The Farewell Tour ….pdf)

Oh, and also…


 No.2817237

>>2816899

FWIW, Groucho Marx was a libertarian socialist.


 No.2817240

I'm not saying that you can just call yourself a marxist by only thinking marxism is equality and anti-monies. But there has to be room for people who get the jist of the marxian critique of capitalism and his foundations for what socialism is. You don't need to be versed in the writings of Mussolini to be fascist, you don't need to have read Rothbard to be a capitalist.

Now if you want to call yourself a Marxist economist, then yes, you need to read Capital, and much more besides.


 No.2817404

>>2816888

Already happened. Super chat posters on his Saturday streams got him to read some basic Marx.




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 No.2793892[Reply]

/br/ Brazil Thread - Fio Brasileiro

Quase uma semana depois do limite de bampes, um novo fio.

A new br thread, since the last one died of death.

Um lembrete: o /bantifa/ existe, movitem aquela joça.

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 No.2816831

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For the gringoes, Bonobo's government just entered its first big crisis. But it's a crisis in the most cynical sense of the term, when the peril isn't a threat to public safety or a grave budget shortfall. No, it's a crisis sparked by attrition between cronies and the subsequent threat to the government's narrative, like a wrench between the gears of a monstrous machine that ought to have never existed in the first place.

It was started by one of the ministers being caught, red-handed, lying about having received a presidential seal of dindu nuffin over graft accusations. In itself, it makes sense that this would be a scandal, since it looks like a government official lying and using the president's name to save his ass. There are two factors which ramped this up from a simple firing of a toxic underling to a full-blown crisis.

The one everyone knows is that the proof of his lie didn't come from the press nor a whistleblower, but from the president's own son, who shared it in Twitter, of all places. In other words, the attack on a high-ranker didn't come from "democracy's watchdogs in the press" or whatever, but from the president's own camp, thus expanding the suspicion over the minister to cover the entire government.

The second factor, which I haven't seen anyone utter, is that, had the minister actually talked to Bozo before claiming so, he would, with 100% chance, receive the presidential seal of dindu nuffin. The federal executive has more accusations, investigations and even convictions against its members than there have been battles over the Isonzo, and it's nearly impervious to them by simple virtue of normalizing brand new record levels of both cupidity and incompetence, exactly like with the Trump administration. More dirt gets dug up every day, and make virtually no difference outside of the internet cacophony. It's, arguably, already the worst government we ever had,and no one bats an eye, because representative democracy is dead, and the dead cannot feel. The accused parties just have to utter some preposterous excuse, and that's that, so long as it's semantically valid. A ritual, in the anthropological sense of the term, because it doesn't matter at all how much it reflects on real matters, which, in this case, would be his informal pPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.2816904

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LAVA-JATO DA EDUCAÇÃO

Denunciar professores por doutrinação é dever do aluno, cidadão. Não só de cunho político quanto científico, pois a doença do esquerdismo ocupa, ou mesmo controla, todos os aspectos da humanidade. Atente para professores que tentem inculcar os seus filhos com ideais contra propriedade privada e família, mas também contra terraplanismo, geocentrismo e tabagismo.

https://racismoambiental.net.br/2019/02/16/a-blitzkrieg-do-olavo-bolsonarismo-contra-a-educacao-esta-em-marcha/


 No.2816913

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Observação sagaz. Dado que o governo será o exato oposto da era de ouro que seus eleitores esperam, a única forma que ele tem de reter seguidores é ficar em permanente estado de campanha, como a mídia diz, o que resume-se a continuar a perseguir (e inventar) inimigos insidiosos e vagos. Isso também envolve, necessariamente, uma teatralização da política, centrada numa narrativa de dicotomia simplista d'o bem contra o mal. Outra tendência fascista.


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 No.2817379

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>>2816831

Velho, o Bebianno já está chorando em entrevistas, dizendo que apoiar a eleição do Bozo foi um erro e que o presidente é um maluco, pedindo até mesmo desculpas. Mas até agora ele também está dizendo que não vai atacar. Realmente não dá pra saber o que vai acontecer essa semana.

Also, parece que vai ser um general que vai entrar no lugar no Bebianno.




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 No.2801922[Reply]

This will be a book review, or, more precisely, a TL;DR of a book, for (you). I've read several threads lately that bemoan the lack of proper theory threads lately, so I'll try (again) to make digestible an otherwise long- and boring-ass book for my beloved community of leftypol. Bumps of interests, intelligent questions, screen-caps, etc. will be much appreciated. Let's begin.

Let's start with the most important thing:

>I'm a regular leftypol faggot, and why should I read your shit book TL;DR?

Good question, faggot. This might help you to better undestand:

1. the absolute state of /pol/tards;

2. the absolute state of your reactionary relatives;

3. and probably, your own background.

>What do I gain from this?

Understanding. Better debating skills. Theory to act upon…

Background info to the book:

Some intellectual faggots (Jews, communists, psychoanalysts, sociologists, socialists, progressives, "plain democrats", and the mixture of all of these) who would otherwise face purging in Nazi Germany escaped to America. They took up the task to analyze contemporary (1947-1950) U.S. society based on their experiences and derived theories of European fascism. Their self-imposed tasks were to:

1. determine whether there was a threat of fascism in the US;

2. identify the main trends and mechanisms of fascism (worldwide);

3. identify the reasons for fascism.

To complete these tasks, said faggots employed first and foremost (at that time cutting-edge) sociological methods: surveys of 2k+ people, and interviews of 'extremes' [high scoring and low scoring individuals based on their closeness to fascistic ideals], based on the surveys. Two thirds of the book is sociological in nature: they meticulously lay down the methods used, the theories behind the questionnaire, the reasons for their questions, their own errors, and the data that seem to support their theories.

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 No.2817351

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>>2817322

>That's a job for historians to document without bias

HAVE YOU READ A SINGLE HISTORY BOOK, YOU ABSOLUTE SHIT?!

Literally no one in that discipline – history – (can or does) analysis without bias. Not because they are "shit," but because the discipline itself is as such: subjective-objective.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about!

>At best, you can speculate about how fascistic ideological traits tend to overlap with other traits/experiences, but I can't see how a mechanism can be brought forth to connect these experiences to the foundation of any ideology

But then again you are conflating STEM-tier "science" with humanities analysis. These two

CAN NOT BE MADE COMPATIBLE, YOU ABSOLUTE MORON!

Not because there's a lack of will or competence, but because the subject at hand is not the same in history as it is in physics. Are you, like, literally retarded?

>trying to tie together some brand of conservatism with experiences/traits of historical conservative figures then claim as if you have found a mechanism through which these experiences coalesce towards a mainstream conservative ideology.

The authors make great efforts to differentiate between (US) conservatism and pseudo-conservatism.

>set of hypotheses can be independently verified by a computer program

You are literally pic related retard, who thinks that when confronted with historical facts, you can rely on biology/"objective social conditions"/your grandma. In other words, you are literally a fascist, my friend.


 No.2817353

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>>2817322

>Wait, Rothbard doesn't inject his ideology into his literary criticisms?

I think you suffer from the basic 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧anglo🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 sickness: a person who can not distinguish (colonial) reality from his ideals.

>any diametrically opposed set of beliefs/people cannot accurately be expected to explain the antithesis of their personal philosophies.

Except, as was described above, this is not the issue.

>Adorno [was] biased

To prove this you'd need to have read the book (good luck with that, booklet), and to point-by-point prove the sociological study's arguments false.

TL;DR:

1) you are not capable;

2) you's not gonna;

3) you's a shit.

Good luck with that, you absolute idiot!


 No.2817355

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Helo.

Im a nazi, and im gon read 1.000 pages of book, to discount your views.

just u w8

p.s. fuk u

karl marygy was mistake


 No.2817373

>>2817347

>can not extract and propose 'something as' its essence.

Strawman, that isn't even implied in what I mentioned.

>I'd like to point out that you have no way of knowing or relating to the objective fact of an industrial-scale genocide, of which you are a part of.

>without trying to deny your "subjective PoV,"

Contradicting yourself in the same sentence. Nobody is talking about this 'objective fact', just how people relate to issues that impact them. Try rereading what was said again.

>that you literally can't "put yourself into the shoes of a Jews under Nazi conditions."

Find the post where I said I could. Otherwise this is just another "see what I said you said is stupid!"

>Disregarding the fact that I asked you to deal with my hastily drawn parallel: you – as I've projected – intentionally disregard the main point.

The main point is also disanalogous. It's incoherent. Try again.

>to "just spontaneously" draw up some kind of theory of what went around

You have just invalidated the entire work you are attempting to read.

>You hear something, and assume it as an immediate empirical fact

A hypothesis isn't a fact.

>>2817351

>Literally no one in that discipline – history – (can or does) analysis without bias.

Wrong. You can document the, say, labor force in certain sectors in the American economy 100 years ago. Making claims about the personalities of the workers or the president would be a biased historical account.

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 No.2817403

>>2817373

>I'm an illiterate, therefore I am




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 No.2817090[Reply]

1) Bribe the country’s leader in the form of personally lucrative business deals. If he accepts, leader will amass a personal fortune in exchange for "privatizing" the resources you wish to extract. skip to step 15.

2) If he denies, begin the regime-change process. Engage in economic warfare by imposing crippling sanctions on the country and blame the ensuing shortages on the leader's "socialist" policies.

3) Work with allies inside country to fund and organize an "astroturf" opposition group behind a corporate-friendly puppet.

4) Hire thugs inside country to incite unrest and violence against the government in coordination with your opposition group. Use corporate media to publicize the orchestrated outbursts as popular outrage and paint a picture of a "failed state" mired in corruption and chaos.

5) When the government arrests your thugs, decry the response as the brutal repression. Use corporate-owned media to demonize the target government as a despotic regime while praising your puppet opposition as champions of democracy.

6) Work with their military leaders to organize the overthrow the government (offer them the same business deals the current leader refused).

7) If a military-led coup cannot be organized, create a mercenary army to carry out acts of terrorism against the government and its supporters. Portray the mercenaries as "freedom fighters" and their acts of terrorism as a "civil war".

8) If the target government has popular and military support and is too well-defended for your mercenaries to overthrow: label the country a "rouge state" and wait for the right time to invade. Meanwhile, continue to wear the country's government and populace down using steps 3 - 7.

9) Escalate the terror campaign within the country to provoke a military response from the country against the US. If they won't take the bait, fabricate an attack or threat that you can sell to the US population as justification for an invasion.

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 No.2817215

You can also go read "aristide"'s story, the president of Haití, on his wiki. Similar things. You could also read similar things in the defense of Nicaragua a while back, but i don't think in the wikis, though idk.


 No.2817315

>no number 10

???


 No.2817328

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>>2817090

I've started reading about the history of the CIA, trying to get maps and data on wars, coups, domestic crimes like spraying bioweapons on their own cities, drug and human trafficking and Incapacitation Agents in Operation ARTICHOKE. MKULTRA related things that are incredibly difficult to parse the true meaning of which have been terribly misconstrued. I've been using strict sourcing and cross-referencing to avoid pathological/emotional leaps to conclusions and it's like political ego death.

I feel like because I approached it without being all "Yeah man the government chemtrails us to keep us down and uses ultrasonic frequencies to control your mind *bong bubbling sound*" without conjecture/paranoia but just trying to use deduction I've gotten my brain blasted by this new sense of scale and a massive perspective shift on how I'm starting to believe the ruling elite see the world.

Not just looking into the CIA but foreign 'domestic intelligence agencies' especially the UK and Europe seem to show certain terrifying trends. "Counter-Intelligence" is mostly blackmail/extortion mechanisms used to influence policy.

I'm just treading water at this point and it already feels like I'm deep in the rabbit hole. You know how there's this public consensus that the Iraq War was a lie and really bad in hindsight because the media said so but those people don't really "feel" it because they never actually looked into it? Whereas you reach the same conclusion but you feel it in your bones that the Iraq War Was Bad because you grasped the scale and the implications - "If they'll do this here, they'll do this anywhere".

I think you can only get this 'grasp' if you look at it like David Attenborough and suppress mental defense mechanisms that you might not even know you're deploying. Like if an event is separated by 40+ decades and now you can chalk it up to the Old Days. You can't absorb this stuff if you're coming at it from a religious/spiritual angle. There is a reason for the popularity of people like Alex Jones and other 'conspiracy theorists' and it's people gettinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.




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 No.2766233[Reply]

ITT: self-improvement, fitness, body & mind training, life tips, how to organise your life etc.

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 No.2817057

>>2772505

>Didn't deadlift for my first 2 years of lifting

>Have a squat 200lbs heavier than my deadlift

What the fuck


 No.2817096

>>2817057

The body is weird, man. Different muscle groups do things better than others. Like for example, you can have biceps like an oak barrel, but be absolutely fucked if you do any sort of training that requires tricep strength. You can deadlift 280 because of core and hip strength and proper form and technique, but still have arms like spaghetti.


 No.2817248

>>2812479

Didn't Soviet fitness programs follow a routine similar to SS?


 No.2817302

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As a /pol i approve of this thread. Maybe in the midst of lifting heavy weights you will pump enought testosterone in those weak minded heads of your to comprenhend how cringeworthy you all are.

Now get your ass to gym and bash the fash or something. Let's improve ourselves you degenerate faggots.


 No.2817317

>>2817052

Also why the fuck would you do them squatting?




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 No.2816227[Reply]

What do you guys do to rekindle hope in the left?

Do I just let it die?

I'm losing hope that us commies will ever be able to change the world we live in.

Are we really doomed to live in the shadows of liberals? We're forced to sit by and watch as our rhetoric is stolen by the right. At this point, even the word 'socialism' is twisted into shitty capitalism.

Feels awful man.

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 No.2816724

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>>2816289

those tits


 No.2816741

>>2816232

The technology for cybercommunism is already there (cockshott demostrated efficient planned calculation with a rasperri pi ffs) , the problem now is to educate on it, making a big enough movement and put it in practice


 No.2817097

>>2816721

thanks famalam


 No.2817103

>>2816723

That's what private property is comrade


 No.2817259

File: 91e3d5f646e3e5e⋯.jpg (159.63 KB, 550x1109, 550:1109, soviet-space-program-propa….jpg)

>bad feels

>What do you guys do to rekindle hope in the left?

I had lost hope in everything until I discovered real Marxism.

I thought that there was no other way humanity could go except "Ebil gommunism" and "Ebil Capitalism"

How wrong I was.

The fact that only 200~ after capitalism becomes a world power a socialist nation with enough power to scare the global capitalist order pops up.

>Do I just let it die?

No. We must oppose capitalism or everything dies. Even if we fail despite our best efforts, we can die saying, "We told you so."

>I'm losing hope that us commies will ever be able to change the world we live in.

The USSR was split apart only 30 years ago and already the specter of communism haunts the globe.

So long as we exist, so long as we hold the key to unlocking the full power of labour united, porky will shake in his boots.

>Are we really doomed to live in the shadows of liberals? We're forced to sit by and watch as our rhetoric is stolen by the right. At this point, even the word 'socialism' is twisted into shitty capitalism.

AND WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT? WALLOWING IN SADNESS?

The future of humanity lies in the hands of the working class. We have a world to win.




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 No.2816505[Reply]

How far do would we reasonably have to go to combat bourgeois and reactionary culture if a communist government gained power within the imperial core? I unironically think Pol Pot (despite his ultra-leftist barracks-communism) had the right idea here in pursuing a “clean slate” and abolishing / uprooting the cultural, literary and artistic remnants of the exploiting and reactionary classes. Before someone cries about “muh art and books”, remember the words of Mao when he said that even these are not without class-character. Or, as an example perhaps more palatable to people here, Enver Hoxha carried on a cultural revolution against many aspects of bourgeois culture and reactionary beliefs. Class-struggle continues and even intensifies under the period between the end of capitalism and the coming of classlessness. To leave in place these elements of culture would be like leaving weeds to grow in your garden.

Palingenetic eco-communism with mass book-recycling sessions when?

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>>2816515

>They did though, just look at what Robespierre did to the Catholic Church and regional languages.

both of which survived well into the 20th centuries before truly eroding. wish i had the pic but less than 50 percent of France spoke "french" well into the late 19th century.


 No.2816917

>>2816808

>what is personal property lmao


 No.2816923

>>2816917

There should be no property, personal or private.


 No.2816929

>>2816917

Where does it say that the government wanted to abolish personal property? You may find it personally extreme, but this sort of viewpoint has been expressed even by more orthodox Marxists such as Alexandra Kollontai, who thought that under the dictatorship of the proletariat the material conditions for the nuclear family would wither away, children would be cared for communally, and that steps would be taken to do away with the isolated and inefficient domestic economy and organize consumption on a collective basis –creating canteens, integrating housework into the national economy, etc. Communes of a similar kind even were established in China during the Great Leap Forward. Kampuchea's collectivistic path to socialism had the right idea. Organization on a collective basis (transportation, meals, childcare, education, housework, etc) is simply more efficient.


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>>2816808

The last lines of first pic kill me.




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 No.2814368[Reply]

Why did the east Germany do worse than the west economically? I've heard that factories in east Germany were destroyed after the cold war for some reason. Is there any truth to this?

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>>2816170

Came here to ask the same thing. Really makes you think


 No.2816927

>>2816787

It's funny how someone who was widely denounced as being a radlib now became quite liked here due to his ideological growth, while people who originated from here, like Muke or Bat'ko became radlibs that are hated with a passion.


 No.2817189

>>2816275

This is nice and all, but translation? It would be helpful to understand the pdfs.


 No.2817226

>>2816927

That's the difference between actually reading theory and just reading memes all day.


 No.2817234

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I’d like to suggest engaging in concentrated internet attack patterns strategically engineered to make /pol/lacks feel confused by posting a clip of the recent Proles of the Round episode on East Germany about maternity rights, along with a thread about East Germany. I thought it was a funny segment in that context because it sounded like everything a nazi could want. Women were paid and effectively encouraged to have children, men could take off up to a month to care for sick children, the larger your family was not only the larger your house, but also the more modern it’s amenities. You also got a myriad of benefits like subsidies for consumption of entertainment and art.

Furthermore, as a socialist state the GDR had no particular incentive to bolster immigration like modern capitalist Germany. The GDR didn’t require growth systemically, it was only desired insofar as it improved the living conditions of the people. What would be more incentivized would likely be improving worker productivity with new technology and techniques of productions. So the GDR would have more likely maintained a homogenous German population with huge white families simply because of its pro-worker socialist policies. And the reality was that after the wall fell, German police complained that crime skyrocketed. It was a more peaceful, orderly society.




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 No.2762247[Reply]

Post explicitly or implicitly leftist music, or hell if you really love a non-political song post it too. We haven't had one of these threads in a while. To start things off, these three covers of "Hasta Siempre Comandante" are easily my favorite, check out these bops:

https://youtu.be/1ofG7aHN2PY

https://youtu.be/86LSuXi5TLU

https://youtu.be/vgE11M0tSMM

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>>2762247

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRS9Bz0IH54

Johnny Hobo and the Freight Trains - Love Songs for the Apocalypse


 No.2816826

Quite like this song from Brian Eno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtEBfOt0xVk


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 No.2769385[Reply]

I hear no one talk about ethiopia's communist era. From my limited knowledge it seems like country that just happened and fell with the rest. Was it as bad as sources say, or is there another side? Any reading recommendations?

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 No.2816949

>>2810976

This doesnt hold for all the left opposition though just the left SRs who were originally in coalition with the bolsheviks and then turned on them because of brest litovsk. Only left srs did wanton killings, though obviously kaplans attempt wasnt isolated i concede (on the other hand the assassinations had little overall impact). The other left opposition either kept their heads down, joined the samara govt supporting the constituent assembly or joined trade union opposition or eventually joined the antoniv and the greens. In most cases bolshevik repression and killing was way out of proportion to the threat and was counter productive. Also despite admirinf Lenin, his thinking himself indispensible to the success of revolution was egotistical and allowed a cult to spring up around him.


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I'm really glad this thread took off, i was just curious about African history and the times there were revolutions or movements for the people. I'm glad there is a alot of people curious about it too. it's sad that such a large continent was (and still is) corrupted foreign power. my heart goes out to them. thanks to all the comrades who dropped information and references, it was really helpful


 No.2817051

>>2769385

relevant bibliographies

Communism, Marxist-Leninism and Socialism in Africa

https://pastebin.com/Xv0AefNZ

African Socialism

https://pastebin.com/zGkX1LNn


 No.2817181

>>2817005

> it's sad that such a large continent was (and still is) corrupted foreign power.

Pity yourself and your own corrupted government white guilt man.


 No.2817200

>>2810276

>Mengistu him self visited Pyongyang twice and was deeply impressed by what he saw there, so much so that he made his citizens sport North Korean-style uniforms

Yeah and Trump forced me to wear old navy.




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 No.2646241[Reply]

Translation anon here. So I translate a lot of cyryllic language posts on leftybooru, however since not a lot of people visit that site and because Tomoko-Stalinstache poster suggested it, I'm making a translation thread.

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bottom text says: Ukrainian bourgeoisie nationalists have allied in anti-communist action with Israeli Zionists. The smaller text is illegible. If anyone can find a better quality pic, I'll translate it if I can (Ukrainian is a bit fiddly).


 No.2815756

>>2815753

This pic is actually edited now that I've looked around. The original is IDW where but the rest of the poster goes

A Wolf is not related to a Fox, but their way is the same.


 No.2815782

>>2810709

Dude, my fucking eyes are bleeding.


 No.2815799

>>2815753

not much has changed since then, wow


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1) "We Do Not Use Empty Words, We Will Follow Through!"

2) ”A strong international alliance defending socialism in the world.”

3) "If America messes with us…

they will not be able to avoid becoming homeless miserable ghosts!"

4) "Against Fascism O.A.S"

"Committee for Peace in Algeria."

5) "Let's greet the XXII Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in a communist way!"

1961




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 No.2816004[Reply]

Cops and Klan…

We got a partially complete set of messages exchanged between

> PORTLAND POLICE OFFICER

Lt Jeff Niiya

>ALT RIGHT PROVOCATEUR

Joseph Owan Gibson

https://pastebin.com/kwAfZAEv

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 No.2816740

>>2816738

and what? I wasen't asking you anything. I just thought it was serendipitous to see this video posted right after I read that talking point.


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>>2816728

Kel-Tec Sub-2000 sub-compact rifle.

t. I own one IRL (Mine is 1st Gen. ; her's seems to be 2nd Gen.)




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