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ITT we theorize about the future of the world, more exactly, we will predict how will the ideological map of the world be, we will paint the map.

I think that most of western Europe will be torn apart by ideologies, but ultimately, communists will gain the upper hand, or at least social-democrats. Britain will fall into fascism, as most of Eastern Europe and America, alongside Turkey, India, Pakistan, South Korea and Japan. We will see the rise, again, of a new pink tide in South America, and I think there might be some haitian cuban-inspired revolutionaires.

Meanwhile, at the Arabian Peninsula, it will be just chaos, as most of Africa and Central Asia.

Iran will still be Iran, but it will be more fundamentalist than before Meanwhile it's true that Iran it's a country which has been abused by America, that doesn't mean that they aren't right wing fanatics, even then, we must argue that an invasion of Iran will, just be, in the interest of imperialism. Even then, the best way to be an anti-imperialist is not to defend those relative countries, but to stop the imperialist war machine that is your country, this is, to be an anti-imperialist you must organize the working class on your own country, but I digress, please stay on topic, pls no ban.

What do you think?

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The Shining Path aren't coming back dude, everyone hates them



I thought Canada gets bless from Climate change?


mass extinction. anything short of that is delusion



Perhaps I should have drawn more specific zones for Canada on the map, but I haven't made my criteria particularly consistent or scientific. Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa and Vancouver all get dunked beneath the depths, which is quite significant; the parts of Nunavut which weren't connected got painted red though.

Canada probably should have been red, but I don't feel they benefit as much as Russia does simply because more of their existing population centres go under under water. Granted, that gives a whole lot of climate refugees to populate newly inhabitable lands.


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Assuming the status quo continues this will probably be our future within the next 15 to 20 years if we don't get out shit together.

Also I'm just being pessimistic so I'm sorry if this is too defeatist.

Climate change, droughts, and floods completely devastate the Southern US making it essentially ungovernable. There might be some anarchist communes but knowing the south it's going to be bands of rednecks killing each other for fuel and food in jacked-trucks or airboats (depending on the terrain). Capital moves future North but there is still massive civil Unrest in every major city. Thousands of climate migrants try to go north but barbed wire and guards await them. Canada agrees to take some climate refugees to ease tensions as the negotiation for the new NAFTA agreement fails due to revolution in Mexico. Canada generally benefits from warmer temperatures so they need more workers for industry and agriculture. We'll probably start seeing megacities being built in Northern Canada to house all of these newcomers.

Brazil gets another Boslarano like leader and descends into chaos. Some economic zones are still open but it's mostly destruction from deforestation and conflict between pro-government forces and rebels. Rest of South America either descends into chaos or comes to its senses and enacts social democracy to prevent revolution/riots.

Africa gets fucked by climate change and becomes uninhabitable outside of designated free trade zones. South Africa sees race riots and general government dysfunction.

The refugees caused by climate change try to migrate to Europe causing the EU to shut the border and the resurgence of fascism. The nativist sentiment in Italy, Eastern Europe, and the UK is where it hits strongest. Migrant deaths occur daily. Northern Europe retains social democracy while Germany and central Europe becomes the safe haven of capital. France experiences more riots/unrest but it is mostly contained by EU security forces as most national militaries are used for the migrant crisis.

Russia also benefits from warmer weather and expands into the arctic causing tensions between Canada and the US.

Autocracy grips central Asia while Turkey and Iran maintain there military might and power.

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Once again, it's the thread about computer-aided economic planning and direct democracy and general Cockshott news I guess (old thread: https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2781898.html).

His latest blogpost: https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2019/05/14/input-output-or-harmony-planning/

>Kantorovich held that his Objective Valuations, would in the long term converge on labour values, but that in the short run they were useful to ensure that the best use was made of currently available plant and equipment.

>I arrived at the Harmony approach whilst thinking over how to come up with a better algorithm for solving Kantorovich’s problem. As it happens I was in Budapest in 89 looking to find a Hungarian publisher/translator for the work the later became Towards a New Socialism and came across a Hungarian planning text in English and thinking about it whilst in a concert, I thought of an improved algorithm…

Read "Towards a New Socialism" by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell, if you haven't already: ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book

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Welcome to /pol/ newfriend the ride never ends


Part 3 of Jan Philipp Dapprich's Simulating Socialism: https://designing-history.world/theory/simulating-socialism-3-valuation

>In this part we will see how linear programming can be used to determine what I call mathematically derived valuations (MDVs). MDVs are meant to represent the opportunity cost of a consumer product. In other words, they give the answer to the question “How much other stuff could be produced if we had to produce one unit less of this?”.

I'm not sure I understand this. What if the unit size changes? For example, some beverage brands are available only in packs of six. Suppose the unit size shrinks, shrinking to 1/6 of the original size in the example here, meaning now you can buy a single bottle of the beverage. Suppose further that both the price of six bottles and the consumption pattern basically stay where they used to be before the unit change. Shouldn't a sensible measure of "natural price" or "equilibrium price" or whatever you want to call that also tell us that the state of affairs is basically the same as before? Sure, a new smaller unit size that does not result in higher costs in terms of manufacturing & packaging & transport & storage when measured in the old way (in the example, comparing m&p&t&s per six bottles as of now with m&p&t&s per six bottles as before) is already an improvement because it allows more precise dosage on the consumer end, but it looks like you have a systematic bias in marginalist measures that will even tell you it's getting cheaper when there is considerable extra work involved with doing smaller units.


So what's yours cybercommies opinion on Enterprise Resource Planning, Supply Chain Management and Advanced Planning modules in popular software solutions like SAP, Oracle etc?

I'm reading a book about SCM and AP, and I just can't wrap my head around it, it's simultaneously detailed and vague. Sometimes it reads like a user manual - click this button here, use this custom optimizing software solution by IBM for production scheduling here. Other times it's full of some kind of corporate speak and diagrams spanning several pages.

I expected a top-down approach - master plan first with some profit maximizing objective function handled by AP module, then disaggregation into production plans, procurement plans, demand plans etc, each covered by a specific software module.

What I got is a fucking mess, a patchwork of theory bits, terms, software solutions™ that you don't know how they work inside, and corporate diagrams and charts. God, fuck corporations and their fucking diagrams and charts.

So what I really want to know, is how exactly advanced is Advanced Planning? I have nowhere else to ask, my professor's idea of advanced planning is an MS Office Solver.



A lot of it uses the same techniques Cockshott advocates. The algorithm he put together for planning is not some kind of wildly complex innovation. Linear programming, interior point methods, iterative estimation, etc. A lot of supply chain stuff is probably graph searches/shortest path stuff. The thing is, on a fundamental level, they are trying to solve a slightly different issue than whole economic planning. They do not seek to build the same kind of data set or do the exact same set of estimations that we do. However, a lot of the software is clearly still going to be useful for micro level planning in communism.

>I'm reading a book about SCM and AP,

Any book recommendations?


How would we determine the labor content of a product when the labor used to make it produces multiple outputs? (examples, cows produce both leather and meat, oil refining produces both gasoline and kerosene.) I read Cockshott a long time ago and I don't remember him addressing this.

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Is it just me or are zoomers more hopeless than other generations. I just keep seeing a majority of them to be sharing crypto fash, incel tier memes and watching them interact with each other I can't help but feel they're completely disassociated from reality. Seeing them celebrate the death of this e-girl and engage in other typical shitty misogyny and or racism just feels weird for me. I remember my teenage years being shitty but I never felt any form of hatred towards one particular group or was I remotely interested in politics as a whole. I don't know if this is a result of them being possibly the most alienated generation having known nothing but economic depravation and being hooked since childhood on 4chan but I kinda worried that future generations are just doomed

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don't worry, you won't get one either when you're swinging by the neck.



Honestly I had read that first part on a Youtube comment section, no clue it was from Fight Club. You also don't seem to understand that while millenials had it (and currently have it) pretty bad, we'll have it worse.


This thread is a catastrophe. You can criticize contemporary feminism but the psycho misogyny on display here is embarrassing for everyone here.






You people need help.

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Well done guys. You responded with the proper amount of shit-posting in reaction to the spam. They will cry on /b2/ or some other board about it, because they were banned, but we all know it's because we BTFO'd them.

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>string together two completely unrelated sentences and, I can guarantee it will be 99% better than any of their long ass essays


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That image is /pol/ is a nutshell


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What fucking raid, what the actual fuck are any of ye talking about?



seconding this



/b/ and/or /pol/ linked here on their boards and a ton of retards or a few extremely dedicated retards started flooding the board with their verbal diarrhea.

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Does anyone know of a good way of going through hegel's science of logic? I can't read the book due to brain problems. I had been having success with winfield's audio lectures, as it's much easier for me to learn through audio than text, but I keep dropping off somewhere around The One. The way he lectures is grating to my particular problems, too much rhetorical questioning. I already have a grasp of the fundamentals, something like a 30 minute youtube video going through the movements in modern english would be perfect


Read the Prolegomena

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>There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitali-

Then EXPLAIN how I can LITERALLY not only support local economies but ALSO do a service to wildlife and ecosystems as a whole, all through a simple purchase while _also_ enjoying some tasty mushrooms. Seems the people against the whole "ethical consumption" thing forget that there are smaller, more ethical companies that people will ALWAYS flock to because they want a better product. A big porky company can cut corners all they want but some people, whose ranks continuously grow with increased environmental and product awareness, will buy products that are not only healthy but also ecologically sustainable.

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>$91 for Cable

I didn't know, that wires play such a huge role in the life of the average american, that they pay almost 100 $ every year for it?!



I’m not a radlib if that’s what you’re trying to say. I’m planning on dropping out of the rat-race within the next decade


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good luck getting people who barely scrape by (majority of people) to spend extra on feeling morally superior

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Mandatory containment for: discussing your dogshit election campaigns and candidates.

Voluntary containment: discussing burger-specific things nobody cares about.

Allowed outside this thread: real political developments pertaining to the USA (IE, laws being passed, strikes, wars, etc)

original OP:

The last thread died, long live the new thread.

Midterms rapidly approaching gomrades. With impeachment proceedings likely on the horizon, the next congress will surely be a historic one.

What do you all think will happen? Let's discuss the spectacle of bourgeois liberal democracy in the era of Gronald Grumph.



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Israel is basically a colonial project of the US.



No, Isreal is just a US ally.



The US and Israel are so far up each other's asses that they might as well be the same country.



Israel was established by the British and is maintained by the US as essentially a stronghold for Western imperialism in the Middle East, and true to its function Israel is always at the vanguard of Western interests in the area.



>Israel is always at the vanguard of Western interests in the area.

No that’s the gulf states.

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Men of the IPLO that are constantly slandered by other "Socialist Republicans" with lies.

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About a year ago or so there was one lad who claimed to be a member of Republican Sinn Féin, but I have never seen anybody try to defend the IPLO before.

What is your reasoning, OP?



Might know the RSF guy, RSF is a really decent org and the most legitimate and uncompromising of all the Republican organisations.

IPLO wasn't perfect but with what little they had they took on the Brits and their Loyalist death squads.

The Provos moved in and forced the IPLO to stand down when it was in a weakened state then made up various lies about them. The reason the Provos threatened the IPLO is because they wanted them out of the way of the 94 ceasefire.



What kinds of lies? I know the INLA was accused of dealing cocaine to fund its efforts but I haven't heard anything about IPLO.



Accusing the IPLO of being directly involved in drugs which they weren't.

Also accused members of the IPLO being involved in a gang rape which they weren't. Infact the IPLO kneecapped those responsible for the rape.

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Why do these keep dying edition

Discussion points:

- Tory Leadership Election

- What strategy should Labour adopt

- Why has Corbyn's media profile been so low in recent months

- Who would win in a fist fight: Harold Wilson or Tony Blair?

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i am unreasonably triggered


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The idiots.



Labour is currently ahead in the polls, and jumped 20 points last election. What are they thinking?



Time is a circle anon.

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Is the sun really setting on the American empire? How much do they have left?

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Regardless of what people on here like to fantasize the United States at least has another century of global domination left if not more. I'm not amarican nor do I like amarica but I must admit their position in the world is almost perfect right now the United States is to the modern world what europe was to ancient Rome. they will eventually fall but it will take a long fucking time as nobody can challenge them. Their fall will be more like hundreds of years of degeneration eventually leading to collapse rather then a quick Soviet like collapse.


The chinese and russian imperialists are gaining ground, even in latin america, which has been for so long the US's domain, the chinese social-imperialists are gaingin serious ground there, and so is Canada.



No it isn't, the US is losing ground in Latin America and in Africa to China



Nuclear policy is fucked right now. If Congress doesn't do anything about the Pentagon developing "tactical nukes" (like that fucking scene from MGS3) nuclear conflict goes from "possibility" to "likely"



They have a perfect geopolitical position, and yet they can barely keep their dominance against far lesser competitors. The U.S. will not be toppled from the no. 1 spot by foreign aggression, but by the combined effects of internal degeneration, stagnating economy and foreign challenges to their imperial interests. Tve grinding down of the Roman empire took a long time, but their absolute dominance deteriorated rather quickly. For the last century or two it was a dying old lion that got its prey stolen by hyenas, and kicked around by younger lions.

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>"women are naturally, unapologetically eugenic"

Yeah, I guess that's why they're breeding with blacks over you losers lmao.

It's amazing how hard these guys end up owning themselves when they try to do a "redpill."

BTW, Spencer didn't start tweeting about women like this until he started screwing a 30 year old Education Phd. Before that he managed to impregnate a 30 something Cher version of Dugin who then sued and divorced his ass for domestic violence. Spencer legitimately thinks he is a chad now.

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>provides two sources, one being a book




You are nothing but the trials and tribulations of your ancestors; it’s not ancestor worship…it’s you worship.


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>You are nothing but the trials and tribulations of your ancestors

And my ancestors were nothing but the trials and tribulations of their ancestors, and their ancestors were nothing but the trials and tribulations of their ancestors, so if you go far back enough we're all secretly God, right? That's epic, dude!


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>You are nothing but the trials and tribulations of your ancestors

>it’s you worship

This is only true to the clan level.

And even then, only justified by necessity from our frailness.

If we didn't grow old and die it could be further reduced to egoism.

It is the worship of chaos in principle. Order requires altruism and sacrifice.

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Anti-trans, TERF, incel, anti-abortion, homophobia, misandry, essentialism, are all reactionary ideologies or views espoused by reactionaries. As such, it will only be only slightly more tolerated in this thread than in the general board. Keep in mind that board rules still apply.

Some reading material:

'The True Life' by Alain Badiou







Victor Villanueva



This is the only thread where LGBT, Gender, abortion or incel discourse is allowed. Report other threads which bring up the topic.

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The age for prostitution should be lowered to the age of consent, all else is hypocrisy.



.t someone who has never see sex organs before


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>The age for prostitution should be lowered to the age of consent, all else is hypocrisy.

prostitutes get the bullet too



>Its 18 because we want to give young adults a few years of protection freon adulthood to maximize their growth.

Ignoring the argument about when somebody is fully developed, this still isn't the case because you let teens fuck each other and act like the consequences are any different than if they fucked an older partner.



>anti-abortion is a reactionary ideology

Yet abortion is always presented as an ugly choice of necessity ultimately justified by property rights.

It was always politically incorrect to back it, pandering to the equivalent of slave owners.

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Let us collect some tips & tricks when discussing with normies.

Here is a useful series for the start:


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Are you from France too ? I use an US proxy and it works.


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Come on, this website is bullshit, they also have stupid fake quotes for socialist leaders.

I don't think she could be dumb enough to have really said that, she was an evil bitch sure, but she was far from being stupid.



without the industrial and scientific base constructed by the soviets, those german rocketeers wouldnt have done squat


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Just wanted to inform you that there are tons and tons of great soviet cartoons on the internet, a lot of them with English subtitles. They're all bizarre and artistic and great materials to make memes out of.

The beefball cat already has been a meme. He's from a soviet cartoon called "a kitten named Woof," which is brilliant.

Here's a list I found with a bunch of them:


It's easy to find way more by searching.

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In general, it was just too avant-garde for western audiences hence all the "Worker and Parasite" type jokes about it.



Everyone does, comrade.


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Why is this thread so fucking dead?


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Why did the USSR and the rest of the warsaw pact(idk about central europe, but in my country, the People's Republic of Bulgaria, banned all rock and metal as being "degenerate bourgeois and fascist music") ban rock and metal? How was it a bourgeois influence when the vast majority of rock and metal fans were bourgeois, and a lot rock music had major anti-imperialist or anti-capitalist themes(John Lennon and , as well as the majority of its listeners being working class?

What makes this hypocritical is that at the same time ballet and classical music was kept in high regard, when these arts are to this day just entertainment for decadent and pretentious nobles and the grande bourgeosie, as well as them being patrons of them.

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adorno was talking about popular jazz which was riddled with triteness and cliche



But you DO see the problem with having only classical music, as beautiful as it is? It is elitist as fuck, so it doesn't let majority of people to vent out their pain.



>you DO see the problem with having only classical music, as beautiful as it is



Eh that's arguable but I get your point.



>was riddled with triteness and cliche



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the shittiest of the shitty Industry culture and they always delivered neoliberal or contrarian post-modern ideas in the form of "hip and cool".

i wish the ussr actually banned all rocknroll and metal.

also all metal sucks ass and only some non mainstream experimental rock bands were good


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