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File: c62eb6341ae3757⋯.jpg (247.48 KB, 2638x1350, 1319:675, wfN9G4f.jpg)

 No.2872135[Reply]

So here in the U.S., we encounter an issue in building socialism that our European and Asian comrades don't necessarily have. Namely that the labor movement has been safely kept from actual political power (namely forming anything even resembling a labor party) by the established government, that "communism" is more associated with foreign movements and a "fad" adopted by coastal elite liberals than a legitimate proletarian movement, and our rapidly slipping position as global hegemon allowed the previous generation of workers to see both a large increase in their standard of living as well as comfortable wages leaving communism to the kind of people who would engage in radical politics in times of prosperity: alienated youths and social recluses.

Overall, the mere act of building a cohesive communist movement in America is stymied by these myriad factors all playing off each other: if a communist party is formed it isn't expected to achieve or do anything, if it grows large enough it'll be split by bored coastal suburbanites adopting one strange tendency or another to LARP as being "deep political thinkers" or engage in spectacle politics, finally those making up the movement, initially, would be the kind of people who can afford to dedicate such a large portion of their life to politics so isolated from the common working man that it can hardly be argued that they represent the interest of the proletariat.

Thus, it appears to me that there's only one way to properly organize a leftist movement that doesn't fall into the trap of the three prior points I mentioned: radical unionism. Being elected doesn't matter, because votes alone are just the illusion of power.

Labor, however, is power. Even a small union in a big city can do more to affect policy and economics, than a large party operating only in the electoral sphere. You cannot commodify unionism, as unions are diametrically opposed to the Capitalist class and so advertisement of any workers organization, even if it's "tamed" unions collaborating with the bourgeoisie, would be cancerous on Capitalism's growth. Finally you crack down on woke-takes from IdPol types, after all it's easy for some bougie fuck to claim some "oppressed nationality" and then silence criticism by claiming you committed soPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.2873524

IWW related effortish post warning

The IWW isn't syndicalist, you absolute fucktards (https://www.iww.org/history/myths/8), so I'm gonna stop you right there

The reason the Wobblies reject all autistic forms of sectarianism is that they inherently believe all forms of Leftism follow a similar form of technocratic centralization (read Hoxie on trade unions)

>>2872354

Stop using Debs as an example of a socialist leader( he denounced the IWW for representing "anarchistic Jabonism", and kicked out the left factions)

>>2872299

What is Harlan County, for 500.


 No.2873530

While Im not entirely a syndicalist myself, realize this board is full of MLs who consider states thst fell apart due to corruption in the 90s, caved into capitalism around thst time or slightly before, or small isolated states as "successfu)"


 No.2873534

>>2872310

I think they call that fascism.


 No.2873569

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File: e43f24c9c594b4e⋯.jpg (25.44 KB, 320x213, 320:213, Nakba_61_266.jpg)

Remember that time the IWW sent people to talk with Arafat's men




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 No.2646241[Reply]

Translation anon here. So I translate a lot of cyryllic language posts on leftybooru, however since not a lot of people visit that site and because Tomoko-Stalinstache poster suggested it, I'm making a translation thread.

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File: 76144c206ccdb4b⋯.png (4.26 MB, 2048x1365, 2048:1365, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.2872140

>>2733557

Could you elaborate? Jews are represented like that in Bezbozhnik for some reason.


 No.2872143

>>2864943

>>2867618

It have been partially translated already.

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1314192

You can get translation of most of those here:

https://danbooru.donmai.us/pools/6355


 No.2872255

>>2823725

>>2823694

I can also help with Arabic if anyone needs it. I'm not amazing, but have lived in the ME and majored in the language.


 No.2873544

File: 653e6cc33bdc3cd⋯.jpg (382.57 KB, 716x472, 179:118, translate.jpg)




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 No.2650976[Reply]

Mandatory containment for: discussing your dogshit election campaigns and candidates.

Voluntary containment: discussing burger-specific things nobody cares about.

Allowed outside this thread: real political developments pertaining to the USA (IE, laws being passed, strikes, wars, etc)

original OP:

The last thread died, long live the new thread.

Midterms rapidly approaching gomrades. With impeachment proceedings likely on the horizon, the next congress will surely be a historic one.

What do you all think will happen? Let's discuss the spectacle of bourgeois liberal democracy in the era of Gronald Grumph.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/senate/

https://www.electionbettingodds.com/

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 No.2873413

You tell from the way Democrats have responded to Trump for the last 3 years that everyone in the richest chunk of it was assured Hillary would be president and all of them-from late night comedy to think tank pigs-set up a whole infrastructure for how to further instirutionalize "West Wing Liberalism" from it then had to suddenly change course when Trump won and Bernie's coalition didn't dissolve


 No.2873416

>>2873242

Cuckchan /pol/ hates /ptg/. They think it’s a Reddit colony


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>>2873416

>>2873402

Good for them I guess but they're still insufferable and incapable of actual criticism thought for the most part. See how quickly half of them jumped to supporting Yang, who is literally a silicon valley neoliberals Democrat who stand for multiculturalism and globalization. A year ago someone like yang would have disgusted both /pols/ but now he's agreeable because the majority of them never had any principles to start with. The other half are even further divided between neocon boomers and those aligned with them and hyper esoteric mystics and other weird shit that has no actual impact eithervon reality or the internet.

There might be 2 percent of /pol/ who actually have any kind of conviction and have remained true to themselves and despite,completely disagreeing with them I at least admire that about them. But it's really very difficult to overstate how hypocritical they've become after Trump won.


 No.2873487

>>2873119

Aren't they admitting that the concept of gender is a joke though?


 No.2873538

>>2873487

I'm just trying to figure out how they thought it would be cool to go full "GAMERS-RISE-UP".




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 No.2860211[Reply]

Previous thread- >>2838096

Brexit potentially delayed,

Elections in NI for council in may,

Potentially EU elections after.

Where's the RA when you need them most?

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 No.2872943

Lol the brexit party has an ex ☭TANKIE☭ running for them.


 No.2873037

The change UK list:

- Boris' sister

- a newsnight editor

- That weirdo QC Jolyon Mangham

- Fucking Tweetman

- Two current tory MEPs

What a shitshow.

Also lol apparently Dawkins applied to be a candidate.


 No.2873488

How has the Extinction Rebellion's optics?


 No.2873489

>>2873488

Only a 1/3rd of people support their methods, or

over a 1/3rd of people support direction action.

I mean tbh it has put climate change back on the agenda. So that's a thing.


 No.2873535

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>>2872943

What's her plan?




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 No.2872523[Reply]

Why are you for or against central planning?

My view: Central planning [works tremendously for developing nations(see: Cuba, China, Vietnam, the USSR), however an already developed economy requires markets for more efficient production of luxury goods, such as Titoist Yugoslavia.

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 No.2872917

>>2872523

Central planning is necessary to prevent a climate change induced environmental apocalypse. Who gives a shit about luxury goods. Besides, we'll probably figure it out with all the computational power we have now.


 No.2873111

>Why are you for or against central planning?

The usefulness of data isn't just something that scales in proportion with size, seeing the connections between sets of data becomes possible by having it all in one place. Having a consumer market is not some logical opposite to having centralized data processing.

>>2872559

>There's a new book out there from Verso called "The People's Republic of Walmart"

Advice to everybody: Don't buy it, you can find a free version online if you know where to look. It's also really meh (https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2833184.html). Just read Paul Cockshott instead.


 No.2873117

>>2872917

> Who gives a shit about luxury goods.

Everyone does. Even the anarkiddie Kropotkin understood the necessity of luxuries.


 No.2873509

For central planning, markets produce bad distributions of income. And could even bring back crisis cycles.

Luxuries are unproductive, and if you keep improving the quality of regular goods those would eventually start to impinge on the luxuries sector which would then be compelled to seek artificial limitations, and you might end up recreating the fake product segmentation we have today where for example some processors are intentionally "gimped" in order to have a "lower end models."

Another examples are the expensive & over-engineered mechanical watches, with enough advances in 3d metal printing those could be mass-produced cheaply. Something like this has already happened to designer-bags, the cheap knock-offs are indistinguishable from originals.

Somebody might figure out how to procedurally generate fancy product design patterns and then what ? Are you not just going to see a luxury sector pursue intentional decadent wastefulness.


 No.2873520

>>2872523

>Titoist Yugoslavia.

The only reason it lasted so long was because it was propped up by the West as a counterpoint to the USSR. As soon as Gorbachev tried to implement something similar in the form of Perestroika, the USSR began to collapse. It's purpose served, the IMF began to demand the loans it had given out before to be repaid. The resulting Yugoslavian collapse was far harder and far bloodier than that of the USSR as it's market socialism had exacerbated existing disparities between the regions for a good decade or so.




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 No.2872049[Reply]

I've been thinking about a better way to respond to the typical argument against communism.

What if instead of simply denying the claim that "Communism killed X zillion people", we flip the tables and say "Good - I wish they killed even more capitalist scumbags. Then maybe we wouldn't have so much shit to deal with today".

Point out how capitalists are killing (directly and indirectly) millions of poor people for profit every year. Point out how liquidating X amount of capitalist parasites would save the lives of X * 10,000 or more poor proletarians.

The problem with denying the accusation is that it puts communists on the defense. If we waste our time debunking propaganda, porky has already won.

Another benefit of this strategy is that it's an edgy and uncompromising aesthetic. This will 100% steal incels, NEETs, and other alienated marginals from the alt-right.

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 No.2873085

>>2872217

This is a good place to start but I think there’s even more you can say. I always make three points when talking about this, the first is basically what you just said, which is that porkies have killed at least as many and likely far more. This should be enough to get people to admit that at the very least capitalism doesn’t hold any moral superiority over socialism. The second point I usually make is that the context of these attrocities is far different. The worst socialist attrocities came when they were at their worst, by which I mean they were at their most vulnerable, most threatened, and most desperate. Many of their actions were clearly taken out of a sense of urgency and existential threats. Not only this, but these were fears which were fully justified, Stalin said they needed to industrialize to fend off an invasion and he was absolutely right. This is not the case with the worst capitalist attrocities, there was no existential threat that can explain the Belgian Congo or British Indian famines. On the contrary, these came when capitalism and these states in particular were at the height of their powers. Third, you can point out that objectively speaking, these attrocities (at least in the Soviet case) saved more lives than they destroyed. Soviet archival data puts the excess deaths from Stalin’s rule as about 9 million, but the industrialization that resulted from it allowed the USSR to win the war, thereby saving countless tens of millions from extermination in Generalplan Ost. So to summarize, socialism killed less people than capitalism, it did so out of justified fear and desperation and under dire circumstances, and it ultimately did more good than harm.

Another point you can make is that socialism emerged and endured under conditions of intense hostility for its entire existence in the 20th century. It would be impossible to deny that this shaped its development for the worse. Historically speaking, it’s impossible to say for sure how it would have turned out without that hostility. But in capitalism’s case, we can say for certain that it’s evil is systemic, not the result of geopolitical threats or pressures. If we pretend that the pressure of the Cold War justified capitalist attrocities (which it doesn’t but some Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.2873106

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>>2873081

For the first one just read this wikipedia entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum). To understand the top down dissolution you would need to read a history book, and don't use Wikipedia, please. In short: Because of Gorbachev reforms it wasn't taboo anymore to be anti-socialist. which meant the elite (who ranged from government officials to highly educated) pushed for capitalist reforms. This is of course, simplified.

For the second you can just cite any article about it, it hardly is something hard to find. This isn't 100% confirmed, but you can also drop the fact that preceding the 1996 election, Yeltsin magically gained support after being despised, which was enough to beat the CP.


 No.2873118

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 No.2873126

>>2873118

>trusting referendums

Democracy is rule of the retards and those manipulated by Jews. It doesn't matter what they claim to be believe when they're brainwashed.

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 No.2873506

>>2873085

Good post




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 No.2852054[Reply]

What do you guys think about Antifa? Personally I think that their main goal to bring down fascism is a good idea, but they seem to also do wrong things, and since /leftypol/ is leftist, and Antifa is also leftist, I was just wondering what other leftists had thought about it.

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 No.2873125

>>2852054

Antifa are literally nazis because they beat up nazis. It's possible to peacefully advocate for the genocide of entire races and the establishment of a white ethnostate, so antifa are the biggest threat to our democracy. I think we need to side with the fascists here.


 No.2873169

>>2873123

recent converts are so fucking retarded


 No.2873501

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>>2873123

>They actually believe retards like pic related are scary

lol the enormous italian-american teen in the sofa-material coat is pretty funny.

antitfascists in the U.S. are more used to dealing with guys like this which was the TWP who tried to march into a richard spencer speech in michigan, unsuccessfully i would add because they got beat up and turned back. the organization imploded shortly thereafter when the fuhrer of the group (in front) was caught fucking his second-in-command's wife in their indiana trailer. "the night of the wrong wives." cringe disaster all around.

kind of a goof troop but nevertheless dangerous in a qualified sense and would rely on skinhead thugs like the guy in front left. that was the last time the proper WNs tried to physically contest space and go toe-to-toe with antifascists in the U.S. and not just pop up for five-minute flash mobs screaming about the USS liberty incident. they'll probably keep doing that for the forseeable future or at least until the 2020 elections.


 No.2873505

also the expressions on their face is that of defeat when looking at the considerably larger antifascist crowd (that had some big guys in the mix) in front of them. although, credit to them, they did within seconds after that screengrab attempt to break through, but their heart wasn't in it.


 No.2873675

File: 00f4be327aeebc7⋯.jpeg (253.78 KB, 1280x850, 128:85, suck.jpeg)

They're a bunch of faggots.




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 No.2857773[Reply]

It seems to me like vanguardism is the biggest problem with ML'ism with both USSR and China getting their revolution fucked because of it. In USSR already after Lenin died you had a situation where all the revolutionary leaders where infighting between their different factions and after Stalin (who from what I understand kept their bullshit down) died the country pretty much became an oligarchy. There was no new blood admitted to the higher echelons of power, thus near the end of USSR all of these old vanguardists started dropping like flies, leading to Gorbachev getting in power and the union dissolving. And yes, USSR was the first attempt, but Mao had the advantage of foresight, leading to him trying to curtail the power of this newly forming bureaucrat class but it didn't work and after he died you had Deng. So why stick to the idea of a vanguard if it seems they will always try to secure more power for themselves? I imagine this must have been re-thought by ML's over the years and there are some theoretical methods to prevent it, so how? Or am I just misunderstanding / missing some key information?

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 No.2863157

>>2862867

Not him but I'm pretty sure Ismail posts on Chapo's subreddit. I mean who else do you know who scans soviet books and links books from Zlibrary?


 No.2863159

File: d155aab8c359d03⋯.jpg (101.75 KB, 640x480, 4:3, 1473387797117.jpg)

Vanguardism is when members of the proletariat over through the bourgeois and establish themselves as the ruling class


 No.2863187

>>2862954

>If you aren't working towards something, simply pushing for work is doing nothing but encouraging surplus labor beyond replacement of consumption.

That's true, that's also not what M-Ls argue for, making it a moot point.


 No.2863198

>>2863157

He also posts on various liberal subreddits, he's goes where the people are and educate them as best he can. He's not in this to be the coolest kid in the commie block, he wants to radicalize the workers.


 No.2873475

>>2862954

The Soviet Union weren't pushing people to work for the sake of working though. They were trying to modernize the country as fast as humanly possible using a planned economy




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 No.2781507[Reply]

To reduce clutter and low-quality threads about China I'm going to start anchoring threads and redirecting to here instead. If the subject is important enough to warrant a separate thread (let's say, a thread discussing maoism) then feel free to do so.

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 No.2872962

>>2871367

Lol retarded. China will import oil from Iran and stop exporting rare earth materials to the West. They don't need to give a shit about bad pr lmao.


 No.2872969

>>2872962

So why doesn't Xi just smash the,border and grab them already? Why all the back and forth?


 No.2873097

>>2872969

>why doesn't Xi just smash the, border and grab

"smash and grab" is imperialism, it doesn't work, we have millennia of evidence where great powers did that and then disappeared, and the reason is simple, a "smash and grab" is one time economic boost, while "back and forth" is continuous.


 No.2873116

>>2873097

>it's imperialism to take back a piece of your own country from the west with very little net economic damage to either region

Wut


 No.2873474

>>2873116

oh never mind then




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 No.2873139[Reply]

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 No.2873315

>>2873139

but then you have two wh*toids saying thats not the case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYY1TjRigl8


 No.2873331

>>2873250

The first world isn’t dying, it’s stagnating, and soon China will be to with their economic slowdown and all.


 No.2873342

>>2873214

Lol you stupid nigger are you serious? just fuck off back to /pol/ already, how many times have you been banned now?


 No.2873428

>>2873239

>It requires a conspiracy between the government and the universities, even if the researchers remain in the dark while they do their dirty work. In order for climate researchers to be faking their data for grant money the government has to be incentivizing the faked data in the first place.

data doesn't even need to be faked. There has been plenty of hysteria from correct data just presented in a horrific way.

>I'm implying it does things for reasons and that it never lets a good crisis go to waste. If your conspiracy theory were true, we would expect the government to take advantage of it. Yet, it's not.

Does it not?

>Are you implying the government is a chaos dragon that is funding climate hysteria for the lulz?

thats a vulgarization of it but yes. You can see things like AOC's green new deal is pretty much what you described

>Doubtful. Politicians are all talk on climate change.

No he would.

>I'm saying that they aren't DOING anything with their conspiracy. If they're behind a conspiracy, where's the payoff? You've described a cycle of fearmongering->grant money but you haven't explained what the economic basis for this actually is. You have a chicken and egg problem that you need to explain for your conspiracy theory to make any sense.

Just about every radlib's environmental policy and use it as leverage to get elected


 No.2873471

>>2873139

We should just admit chinks are the real master race




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 No.2866868[Reply]

ITT

The Female perspective

To the men of this board, what are your opinions on women in a socialist society or during revolution? Should they have any specific role? What's your take on this? Where do you draw your conclusions from?

To the women of this board (Including trans, but more so interested in a cis perspective) how do you wind up here? What type of lefty are you? Are far left spaces like this more or less easy to navigate as a woman than others you have experience in? What do you believe is your role in revolution, if any? In a socialist society?

In general just discuss a women and how they relate to your preferred method of whatever you believe.

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 No.2873172

>>2866868

>specific role

lol no, except if you want to use your ass for spying

a comrade is a comrade, no distinction should be made


 No.2873182

>>2872998

He isn't defending identity politics, just generalizing the analysis of where it comes from.

The problem with politics today is that different ideological communities are incredibly insulated. That's how people are kept from becoming class conscious.


 No.2873188

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>>2873182

hey freud wanna psychanalyze me


 No.2873252

>>2873188

why do chicks with dead eyes and chicks who look like this make my dick reach my knees?


 No.2873462

>>2872950

<<There's no harm in pushing feminism

>Yes there is

There's no harm in 1.) wanting gender equality, 2.) understanding that gender equality, impossible in capitalism, will be achieved in communism, and 3.) using the shared goal of gender equality to get liberals to warm up to communism. As they learn more about communism and political action as a leftist, they'll understand the prioritization of universal working class struggle (but not to the total erasure of ancillary struggles also originating in or worsened by capitalism, which is what you and many other people here seem to believe).

>There is no such thing [as incel ideology] any more than there is a homosexual ideology. This is why you are a reactionary, you generalize people of an identity and see them as some single homogeneous whole and stigmatize them.

There's a widely shared political and sociological "school of thought" among incels, constituting an ideology unique to them. Unfortunately, it has little to no basis in reality and only makes them more miserable and isolated.

>The capitalists are fighting for the feminists and vice versa, as long as enough females get to join the higher echelons of class society. […] But if it came down to a binary choice between feminists and nazis (i.e. female supremacists vs white supremacists), given that I would pass the Nürnberger Gesetze but not the feminist criteria, I would pick the one where I am not a subhuman.

Absurd false equivalence, and admitted alliance with Nazism over capitalism with bourgeois "feminism" in it so everything's the same as it already is except with women now making up 50% of the bourgeoisie and war criminals. Gender liberation and abolition and inherently incompatible with capitalism. There's plenty of Marxist feminist reading out there so you can learn about this. Furthermore, there's never been a female supremacist society equivalent to the white supremacy of Nazi Germany, and very, very people—if any—want to implement some sort of female supremacist Holocaust or mass enslavement of men are oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.




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 No.2864150[Reply]

So I've been reading this board for a while now, and you've all become a lot more critical of anarchism recently.

I understand that a lot of you are state-socialists (Marxist-Leninists, Stalinists, e.c.t), which I don't have anything against necessarily.

Despite my anarchism I am more than willing to cooperate with a state-socialist, and would even be willing to temporarily drop my anarchism if a socialist state was proven to be efficient and not corrupt like all off the capitalist states, knowing that the end goal of state socialism is communism, which is anarchistic anyway.

So, I would like to ask a few questions to you guys.

And I know that this is 8chan, so I should prepare myself for getting burned to at least some degree, but it would be cool if you could respond to this thread respectfully (in the words of Sasha Baron Cohen) as to prevent the discord from becoming confused by stupid rivalry bullshit.

So anyways, here are my questions:

When the revolution occurs, instead of going after each individual capitalist organization, why don't you just go for the state?

The state's powers is the main thing which allows private-property rights to stay intact.

Would it not simply be more efficient to destroy the main headquarters of the state government and simply fall back on the organized working class to form their own anarchist delegates and then establish federations for the delegates to communicate with each-other (I suppose this would assume that the working class was organized anarchically before this take-over occurs)?

Fighting back against the police and the military in this process wouldn't be as hard as you think. The police and the military will always be a minority in society.

The police for example could easily be destroyed by an organized working class as the proles will always outnumber them.

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 No.2866700

>>2865884

every wall will have a mural

and every mural will be defaced


 No.2867269

>>2865698

>Nazi Germany ran a train over the USSR and if it wasn't for Hitlers autistic land grabs the Western powers would of supported him and Poland against the Soviets.

Nonsense the Nazis only had initial impressive victories until the Blitzkrieg tactic was countered. And even if the Nazis had more allies, they wouldn't have gotten no further than the Ural mountain range, behind which the Soviets had an entire back up war economy. They never had a chance. Not even close.

Besides UK and US would have never supported Hitler because their main goal was Europe beating the crap out of each other. If Supporting Hitler meant the third Reich could have gotten a hold of central europe and western Russia , it would have created a extremely powerful empire, nobody else could have competed against.

>They were also plenty fine to intervene in the Civil war and they almost nuked everything from Korea to China.

Spam nukes, unite the world against you.


 No.2867450

>>2865877

maybe what is needed is a lost meme thread/sauce thread


 No.2870587

there's a meme with professor farnsworth in the "hall of heads" only instead of us presidents they are old anarchist thinkers, anyone have it?


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 No.2854316[Reply]

Is anyone following the Ukraine election? Poroshenko is about to be ousted by a TV comedian. Where have we seen this before? Ukrainebros, is he a scam artist?

>The actor and comedian Volodymyr Zelenskiy has taken a commanding lead in the first round of the Ukraine’s presidential elections, early results have shown.

>With just over half of the ballots counted early on Monday, Zelenskiy had 30.2% of the votes. The incumbent president, Petro Poroshenko, was in a distant second place with 16.6% followed by former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko on 13%, the national elections commission said. The results were closely in line with a major exit poll.

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Lamo the second highest turnout regione is Luhansk.


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>>2855821

>>2854650

>>2864179

>>2867354

Ukraine will be integrated into the Russian SFSR as the Novorossiya ASSR and the Malorossiya ASSR.


 No.2871601

Is Zelensky Khmer Rouge Gang?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgvkmRAOj6c


 No.2871938

I posted some shit about the election in the *honk honk* thread since it's more active now.

>>2871936


 No.2873438

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>>2854316

Poroshenko is a total faggot.

tanks can thank me for editing Crimea out of Ukraine




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 No.2863991[Reply]

Why didn't the world's premier global capitalist power devolve into Fascism near the end of its reign?

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>>2872796

There is both a Babylonian and Scythian branch of Saxons derived from the Ashkenazis. The Sacchetti family of Rome manage some Sachs bloodlines which included Samuel Sachs the co-founder of Goldman Sachs. The Saxe clans have shares in Goldman Sachs. The Savoy and Torlonia families of Italy both have some Saxon origins and the Massimo family have Gothic ancestry. The Massimo family has married with the Saxon House of Wettin through Princess Maria Christina Sabina the daughter of Prince Francis Xavier of Saxony. The Massimos are the head of the Gothic bloodlines. Prince Vittorio Emanuele IV of Savoy's mother was Marie Jose of Belgium of the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha family. Prince Vittorio is the Prince of Naples. I believe the Savoys have some African ancestry just as Coburg has an African on its flag. Africans mixed in with the Moors which were mostly Arab and these African groups within the Moors settled in Naples most of all. The Savoy family and their puppet dictator Bennito Mussolini issued Leggi Razziali under royal decree which were anti-Jewish laws. The Fascists shared a similar ideology as Nazis. Queen Elizabeth II's father George VI was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Jonathan Sacks was the former Chief Rabbi in the UK and serves the Windsors as a Knight of the British Empire. Jonathan Sacks is an evil pedophile and lying false accuser. The Savoy, Sacchetti, and Massimo families covertly oversee the Saxon-Gothic bloodlines from Rome and prop them up as royals. The solution to dealing with the royal families which are operating as a global crime syndicate is outlawing royalty, dictators, and singular rulers and then declaring these criminals the terrorists that they are and executing them. Prince Andreas of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha is the head of this family with his wicked children Prince Hubertus of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Prince Alexander Philip of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and Princess Stephanie Sibylla of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. The Saxe princes are like military generals that command Nazi gang stalkers in the United States and Europe. Prince Andreas has lived in the US. Prince Hubertus has worked as a banker in New York City and Germany. The Saxe-Coburg and Gotha family own about 20,000 acres in Thuringia. Prince Konrad of Saxe-Meiningen is the head of his princely branch and works as a financial analysPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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>>2872797

The Saxon noble families of Germany have a portion of ownership over the Aryan Brotherhood, Nazi Lowriders, and Public Enemy No. 1 which are involved in robbery, identity theft, and other crimes. The Saxe-Coburg and Gotha family also control the Ku Klux Klan and oversee Nazi propaganda. The Nazi Lowriders and Public Enemy No. 1 are allied and mixed in with the Mexican Mafia and Mexican gangs like the Surenos. The House of Hohenlohe-Langenburg are a German-Spanish nobility and they manage some Mexican street gangs. The German-Mexican Prince Hubertus of Hohenlohe-Langenburg has a residence in Mexico and manages oversight of criminal organizations owned by the Spanish Hohenlohe-Langenburg line which are the Dukes of Medinaceli. The Hohenlohe-Langenburg family financed Nazi propaganda in Mexico which is why there are Mexican Nazis like the Nationalist Front of Mexico. The House of Saxe-Gessaphe also have a residence in Mexico. In the 18th century Princess Louise Eleonore of Hohenlohe-Langenburg married Duke Georg I of Saxe-Meiningen and in the 19th century Prince Ernst II of Hohenlohe-Langenburg married Princess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. A German branch of the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha family was appointed as the monarchs of Belgium with King Philippe of Belgium, Queen Mathilde of Belgium, Princess Astrid of Belgium and Archduchess of Austria-Este, and Prince Laurent of Belgium as members of the Belgian Saxe-Coburg and Gotha family. The Saxon families use Saxo Bank in Switzerland and Denmark for their stock market rackets. TPG Capital of Texas owns about 30 percent of Saxo Bank with its co-founder and billionaire Protestant James Coulter. The Saxon and Wettin families are partly Protestant and were heavily involved in the Protestant Reformation. The name Sackler derives from Saxon. The Jewish Sackler family in the United States are multi billionaires and founders of Purdue Pharma which is a large manufacturer of oxycodone and other pain killers. Richard Sackler is a top member of this family and worth about 13 billion. The Sackler family have been exposed for pushing their pain killers through the medical industry and causing mass opioid addiction in the United States. The Wettin family produced 3 rulers of Lithuania. Rodney Sacks is a South African-American billionaire and CEO of Monster BevePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.2872900

>>2871485

>the rest of the labour party

Come on, just say it. It was the Catholic Church.


 No.2873292

>>2863993

>fascism is capitalism in decay

Incorrect. Fascism is feudalism in renewal.

>One 'leader' or king who is dictator

>Economy, military, media, etc completely subservient to leader "OR ELSE!"

>Obsession with rank and purity of blood

>Everyone expected to blindly submit to anyone above them

>Rewards given out based on loyalty not merit

>Advancement based on constant infighting and conniving

Fascism is not half the edgy new ideology people make it out to be. Rather it is a throwback to literally one of the oldest forms of government.


 No.2873354

>>2873292

>Fascism is feudalism in renewal

no that's capitalism




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 No.2873286[Reply]

can someone debunk this picture i found on pol. im too lazy to do my own research ————————————————————————————————————————————-

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 No.2873321

They're all mostly men, male genocide now!


 No.2873323

THEY WERE RUSSIAN


 No.2873328

Most of the time these people see a German name and assume it's jewish because they're dense as shit.


 No.2873338

All I see are capitalist propaganda pushers


 No.2873414

>>2873307

>95% of the bolshevik government were jewish

nigger fuck right off.

With regards to the above image, yeh there are probably jews in the media. So what, there are also large amounts of whites in the media, more so than blacks.

What you are pulling is SJW shit "why is x group more/less represented in x industry" well nigger, the answer is capitalism.

In the case of jews, it is specifically their position in history as the sneaky ones who got kicked out that put them in this position.

muh good christian kings wanted ways around the fact they wanted to be usurers but the bible wouldnt let them, so they had jews do the dirty work for them, jews being in banking a lot is the result.

However, there are also chinese, japense, krygytani, mestizo and lots and lots of white bankers.

The problem is banks, which exist independently of race, the problem is the media, which exists independently of race.

You have to be a special kind of autistic retard to think the connection is anything but a historical left over.

are whites banned from being in media? No. Have they ever been? No.




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