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File: 6cce621d6ef3a16⋯.png (538.92 KB, 640x756, 160:189, 4848848.PNG)

 No.2817087[Reply]

Why don't you all redistribute your wealth yourselves? That would be the morally right thing to do after all.

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 No.2817252

>>2817243

If you're taking home ~10k a year it's not going to be long before you can afford a down payment on a decent house in most parts of the country. You can even live with roommates or family to be able to save more. Land speculation is annoying, and there are probably taxation measures that could be used to discourage entities from doing too much of it. I don't know how much undeveloped land is inherited but I doubt it's a significant figure.

Same goes for wealth from what I have seen, leftists often complain about 'wealthy parasites' but from what I have seen most wealth only lasts a few generations and most people who are wealthy and own large amounts of property came into their wealth by their own means. Of course not every starts at the same place in the race, but we are talking about how many people are born into enough wealth to live off of investments alone, no?

I want to make it clear I don't think things are great for workers, and I certainly think that workers on both sides of the political spectrum (especially right and left populists) need to come together and work on pushing reforms they can agree on. The reasons why essentials have become so expensive is complicated, it involves markets but it also involves government intervention as well.

Also, I wasn't saying 'work more'. I'm saying keep working. 5-10k saved per year is a good amount of money. If you're in a part of the country where housing prices are ridiculous, don't be a fool, move somewhere else. Side hustles aren't required but if you really are not satisfied with what you make, they are an option.

I don't consider markets to be precious, I simply see them as more feasible to central planning considering the history of central planning's failures. I've met Marxists that were reasonable and well read enough to make me open minded towards the idea of alternative systems, but not all Marxists inspire such a thing (often the opposite). I don't understand how more Marxists don't realize that succeeding in the current system despite its obvious failures is a path way to spreading your viewsPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.2817254

File: 3a2f4d9a1b76de2⋯.jpg (157.09 KB, 992x880, 62:55, 17.jpg)

>Why don't you all redistribute your wealth yourselves? That would be the morally right thing to do after all.

>morally right

Fucking hilarious


 No.2817258

You're absolutely correct with one minor change.

>Why don't you all redistribute your wealth yourselves? That would be the morally right thing to do after all.

Should be

>Why don't you all redistribute the wealth yourselves? That would be the morally right thing to do after all.


 No.2817279

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>>2817252

>If you're taking home ~10k a year it's not going to be long before you can afford a down payment on a decent house in most parts of the country.

This isn't how the actual world works. Most people in the US who take this much home after factoring in other costs don't live in houses, they live in apartments because that's all they can afford or all that they can acquire relative to where their job is. For those that can afford a down-payment in between all their bills and family expenses and that the bank determines are "safe" enough to offer a mortgage, they still have to contend with the added cost of the mortgage, maintenance costs on the house, and their other property based costs on top of their previous expenses and still while only taking ~10k home. There's a reason why a majority of seniors in the US are still living paycheck to paycheck into their 60s.

>Same goes for wealth from what I have seen, leftists often complain about 'wealthy parasites' but from what I have seen most wealth only lasts a few generations and most people who are wealthy and own large amounts of property came into their wealth by their own means. Of course not every starts at the same place in the race, but we are talking about how many people are born into enough wealth to live off of investments alone, no?

I've had to address this moralistic concept of what the bourgeoisie "deserve" more times then I can count, even recently we had similar arguments that I shortly addressed here >>2810038. It doesn't matter if that wealth dissipates in a few generations. It doesn't matter if they came into their wealth by their "own means" (highly unlikely). The Rothschild's trading places with a nicer version of the Rothschild's wouldn't change anything in regards to the actual problems inherent to the economic system and both would still need a class system to continue operating their businesses and investments. It wouldn't do anything towards utilizing the full economic potential of society towards public efficiency and use, it would do nothing to reverse the declining rate of profit in capitalism, it would do nothing to end thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.2817329

>>2817279

>>This isn't how the actual world works. Most people in the US who take this much home after factoring in other costs don't live in houses, they live in apartments because that's all they can afford

The average home price in the US is around 190k, median is 200k. 5% downpayment for those prices is around 10k, with a mortgage payment of ~1000 dollars on a 30 year mortgage with average credit. if you are taking home ~10k a year after factoring in other costs you can certainly afford a home in most places in the US. What's more likely in the actual world is the person making ~35k isn't taking home 10k. That is much more believable. If you take home 10k after paying your normal bills and you can't afford a house then you live in an area where housing prices are far above the countries median or average or the price you are paying for rent is abnormally low to the point that a $1000 mortgage payment would much higher.

35K falls within the second quintile of income earners in the US. The upper bound for that group is around 44K (as of 2015, so it's higher now). The rate of home ownership for the second quintile in the US is 48%. If we're talking about a machinist (the job that one anon used to hold) in a few years on the job that person will make 40-55K depending on the area. The home ownership rate of third quintile income earners is over 60%.

> There's a reason why a majority of seniors in the US are still living paycheck to paycheck into their 60s.

I could only find one paycheck to paycheck poll that showed age groups. In the 55-64 age group, 53% of people live paycheck to paycheck, at 65+ that drops to 44%.

>I've had to address this moralistic concept of what the bourgeoisie "deserve" more times then I can count

Morality is a sticky subject, especially since I would assume you're a moral relativist. Regardless of what you feel they deserve, they earn a certain amount. The majority of millionaires (~80%) are first generation.

>This would take a whole separate thread to talk about, but I would advise visiting the Cockshott thread.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.




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 No.2817058[Reply]

How come communists/socialists always try to differentiate from liberals? They're quite literally the same thing, communists/socialists just have more radical economical opinions.

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 No.2817236

>>2817058

Liberals don't go far enough. They're content with simply reforming the shitty system they live under than overthrowing/dismantling it. Also, from what I've seen, they denounce people with more radical viewpoints to seem more approachable.


 No.2817255

File: 154b1e9818a288b⋯.png (112.35 KB, 424x553, 424:553, ad31ac1ff4361679f1e76b8aab….png)

"Thoughts on private property rights?"

>Liberals

<We like private property rights lmao, you should own your own toothbrush! also more black women should own factories XDDD YASS QUEEN SLAAY

>Communists

>No


 No.2817256

>>2817063

>Smh

Go back to reddit, fag.


 No.2817350

>>2817224

Except that doesn’t mean that just acting in an individualistic fashion is liberalism. Liberalism as a philosophy makes plenty of provisions for the subordination of the individual to the common good.


 No.2817416

>>2817068

>Red and green are the same, except for the color

Socialism and liberalism are, at their core, economic systems ffs. Socialism isn't just "extreme liberalism." Disagreements on private property rights are irreconcilable.




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 No.2808005[Reply]

Karl Marx's London grave vandalised in suspected hammer attack

The tomb of Karl Marx at London’s Highgate cemetery has been vandalised in a targeted attack that means the Grade I-listed monument will “never be the same again”.The suspected vandal damaged a marble plaque which was taken from Marx’s original 1883 gravestone and incorporated into the 1954 monument.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/feb/05/karl-marx-london-grave-vandalised-suspected-hammer-attack-highgate-cemetery

France fires nuclear-capable missile in a rare show as Russia and the US feud over arms treaty

France, one of Europe's two nuclear powers, said on Tuesday that it had fired a nuclear-capable missile from a fighter jet, while the US and Russia feud over the death of a nuclear treaty that saw Europe purged of most of its weapons of mass destruction during the hair-triggered days of the Cold War.

https://www.businessinsider.com/france-fires-nuclear-capable-missile-during-inf-row-with-russia-us-2019-2

Russia must create land-based hypersonic missiles with 500km+ range by 2020 – MoD

In response to the US suspending the INF treaty, Russia is boosting its land-based missile development. Moscow wants hypersonic missiles of 500km+ range and a land-based version of the Kalibr cruise missile, ready by 2020.According to a plan earlier greenlighted by Russian President Vladimir Putin, existing missiles will be modified, and new ones created, within two years' time.

https://www.rt.com/news/450679-russia-missiles-range-inf/

Washington's Gulf allies gave sophisticated American weapons to al Qaeda, sPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.2809660

Retaliate against the grave sites of reactionaries in London


 No.2809731

>>2809281

Don't forget about Hitler's fascination of islam, but that might be just some german thnig.


 No.2811538

>Marx’s grace vandalized

It wasn’t real vandalism. If it was real vandalism then the entire monument would have been destroyed. True vandalism has never been tried.


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 No.2816773[Reply]

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 No.2817055

>>2816984

>I'll take all the Ukrainian grain, AND EAT IT!


 No.2817066

File: dfad096fdede9d8⋯.jpg (7.85 KB, 266x200, 133:100, smug.jpg)

>66 million

I thought it was 100 million?


 No.2817073

>>2817066

oh shit what if we actually jumped timelines again?


 No.2817074

File: 11dbd27da8eb333⋯.mp4 (4.61 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, b8d0fab136624ba9a1de01b063….mp4)

>>2816972

>Joseph Stalin and the 15th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) summon Karl Marx to discuss the first Five-year Plan to exterminate 66 million Russians (Colorized)


 No.2817079

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 No.2809577[Reply]

Were there really cults of personality around any of these three niggas? if there were i doubt they would any different than the ones that form around current politicians.

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 No.2817034

>>2809888

>you need the proper helmsman to lead the revolutionary masses, otherwise it will succumb to opportunist and compromises to keep the current system afloat

Ah yes, because the Soviet Union and China didn’t succumb to revisionism in the slightest.


 No.2817054

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>>2809921

corbyn?


 No.2817056

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>>2809922

the new incarnation of the Village People is gonna be fucking badass


 No.2817257

>>2809581

This is a good thing though?

Why wouldn't you celebrate the comrades who helped raise you up out of peasantry?


 No.2817410

>>2809577

Current politicians are not a good example to follow.




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 No.2803095[Reply]

Post Hoi4/gsg content of you spreading the revolution, comrades. There have been lots of Hoi4 posts, but they were never appropriate for the thread they were posted in. Also, when you want to post screenshots - you most likely want to post a lot of them or ask for tips on the game.

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 No.2816077

>>2813533

Wait can you play as Posad in Fuhrerriech????

Also I'm mixed, I think with more time to develop Fuhrerriech could be better than Kaiserriech, but atm Kaiserriech is just made better.

still better than modern day mod though


 No.2816964

File: ba77e1e0de6ca33⋯.png (2.97 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, UAR.png)

>>2814781

bir-ruh bid-dam nedfik ya bashar


 No.2816966

>>2816077

You can't play Posadas in Fuhrerreich, but i wish it was possible.


 No.2817018

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 No.2817049

File: f6caaa004714be5⋯.jpg (417.66 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, tartaria.jpg)

Form Tartaria




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 No.2808658[Reply]

I know capitalism is mostly an impersonal force, but bear with me.

What's his endgame? In the USA and the world.

Wages are already depressed, social services are being cut/privatized, labor movements have been crushed by the state, and this is also reflected in how life expectancy for workers is flatlining or declining (in the US and UK). But it still seems like it isn't enough for these people.

What more does he want?

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 No.2813199

The endgame of capitalism is to make money all other goals are secondary.


 No.2813249

>>2808689

>Porky is trapped and there's no way out. The country is crumbling and falling behind in healthcare, education, infrastructure etc because of the massive bloated US military budget. If the US cuts military spending it'll hurt the defense contractors and the economy while also making the US look weak and inhibit the US empire from keeping its puppet states aligned to it. Continuing to increase military spending however will continue to drain much needed funds from spending on things that are actually important to the average American, like schools, hospitals and transportation, which will increase hostility to the ruling elite. Taxes will continue to rise on the middle and working class as they must foot the bill for the expensive upkeep of the military. Eventually the US will no longer be able to afford these massive military expenditures and will be challenged by an increasingly powerful China. Basically, Porky has no other options available and will continue digging his own grave.

This isn’t a problem for Porky, he’ll just move on to China, rinse and repeat. It’ll be interesting to see what happens to America after capital leaves, though I doubt that the people living their will find it pleasant.


 No.2817037

File: cfa5e8038e51337⋯.png (828.88 KB, 530x615, 106:123, Jabba_SWSB.png)

Becoming this


 No.2817042

File: 53ebf70e73a8808⋯.jpg (116.26 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, employee dreams.jpg)

they just want some appreciation.


 No.2817048

File: 10c57a21acd380f⋯.png (6.25 KB, 750x750, 1:1, kdo8d93o14821.png)

>>2817042

delet this, now




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 No.2803813[Reply]

A lack of dialectic has slowed the traffic on this board down to a halt. In order to remedy this problem, we must establish closer diplomatic ties with other internet communities to enable new cultural exchange and thus spiritually enrich the people of /leftypol/. Inter-ideological dialogue is what makes us strong. Seeing that in this digital age it has become all too easy to insulate yourself from other belief-systems, we must take conscious action to stimulate such conversation.

The purpose of this thread is to send official diplomatic envoys to other internet communities. I suggest that our first target be 4/pol/. The proud people of 4/pol/ are known for their slow wits and sharp edge. Their board moves at a fast pace, making it a relatively harmless subject on which to conduct the first trial of this program.

> Why reach out to reactionaries?

/leftypol/ has always been a borderland between leftist politics and image board culture, the latter of which has now become strongly reactionary. If there is any value to our existence, it is to give the left some grasp on the culture of the alt-right. Without interacting with these reactionaries we cannot fulfill this purpose.

Beyond this there is also the faint hope that we might teach them something.

> Are we raiding other boards?

These missions aren't exactly "raids." Raids occur when one community storms another with the intention of disrupting it. We do not want to disrupt anything, only enrich the local population with our presence. Our approach should be civil and well-contained. If this disrupts a community it is their own doing.

> Won't they storm our board in return?

Likely. This is part of the purpose of the program. Generate new traffic on our board. Reactionaries might not make very good posters, but their posts form a useful baseline of conversation. There's no better way of refining your theoretical understanding of socialism than repeatedly explaining it to a disingenuous critic.

The dumb debates we have with reactionaries also generate great memes.

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 No.2814113

File: 123b7bf4790ad0f⋯.jpg (124.82 KB, 1000x563, 1000:563, alt-right cringe.jpg)

>>2814110

the reddit version is bad enough but feel free to try


 No.2814116

>>2814113

I'm not very well read yet. I don't think I will make a good OP.


 No.2814121

>>2803828

Wrong, came here from 4chan r9k


 No.2814135

>>2814105

>mlpol.net

By God that is the cringiest shit I have ever seen. We should totally make a thread! This is going to be good.


 No.2817031

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 No.2814883[Reply]

Lets play a game:

The rules are simple, you have to add some information to the post before, it has to be directly relevant information but apart from that it can be whatever you want but keep bried, the purpose of the game is to gather together all the tid bits of knowledge we all know about a certain subject related to the left, but also to go on tangents and see how comprehensive we can get.

The starting piece of information is:

The government of Jacobo Arbenz was toppled on June 18 1954

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 No.2814920

File: 804bca753e1c4d0⋯.jpg (178.83 KB, 800x764, 200:191, Sun.jpg)

>>2814918

In nuclear chemistry, nuclear fusion is a reaction in which two or more atomic nuclei are combined to form one or more different atomic nuclei and subatomic particles (neutrons or protons). The difference in mass between the reactants and products is manifested as either the release or absorption of energy. This difference in mass arises due to the difference in atomic "binding energy" between the atomic nuclei before and after the reaction. Fusion is the process that powers active or "main sequence" stars, or other high magnitude stars.


 No.2815814

>>2814883

sauce on pic?


 No.2815960

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>>2815814

Toshio Saeki art


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 No.2817022

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>>2814920

>>2817015

Nuclear fusion obviously creates Heat.

Heat is just atoms speeding up, and with our knowledge of this, we've created various incendiary devices.

These Incendiary weapons are easy to produce in both small, and large scales, making it perfect for insurgencies, and one such insurgency was the IRA's backlash against being viciously barred from elections, and direct action.




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 No.2816557[Reply]

Im starting to become more revolutionary and almost don't really care about reforms that much. Most parties I see that are "revolutionary" suck, they are mostly protest groups that have a couple of niche issues they protest, idpol obsessed, or old trots. Democrat Cops of America is basically an arm of the democratic party and hence the state. I want a pure marxist class party that doesn't cuck to the state or reformist. Where do I go? (america)

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 No.2816919

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>>2816606

>lol yeah because if you take american institutions, customs and traditions into account you definitely think "maybe a communist revolution?"

The American institutions are still viewed as legitimate by a vast majority of people, that is the reason why they should be utilized by communists in gain politic power. But, like I said earlier in this thread, Marxists utilize all methods of struggle. What methods will be used depends on a detailed examination of the conditions in America. Marxism learns as well from mass-practice. In the current stage the democratic institutions are a place that should be worked towards, but to exclusively limit ourselves to operating within the bourgeois state is right-opportunist. You are proposing that revolution should be jettisoned wholesale for reformism and playing the role of the "loyal opposition" to the bourgeoisie and American oligarchy.


 No.2816920

>>2816581

>I thought leftypol was more anti establishment than that

Why are you surprised that this board is against ultra-left childishness? /leftypol/ is a Marxist-Leninist board


 No.2817007

>>2816919

Ok so you are saying I should work for revolution and get reforms as a by product, and not work as a reformist and kill the revolution as by product


 No.2817008

use A to facilitate B.


 No.2817021

>>2817007

Revolution can only happen under certain conditions, which come and go based on forces outside our control. Under non-revolutionary conditions agitating for violent revolution is bound to fail. Instead the best coarse of action is to maintain a principled anti-capitalist critique and position, improve your organizational and theoretical skills, and perhaps most importantly establishing yourself as a true ally of the working class. This means fighting and winning battles which improve the lives of workers in an immediate sense, so that when conditions change and revolution becomes possible, communists are known as effective fighters for the workers, not some fringe clique of literally whos.




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 No.2380778[Reply]

monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations

original post:

How can a lefty exploit this to their advantage? Is it too soon to try? DOW down about 1000 points since Thursday.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/02/05/dow-falls-300-points-open-extending-declines-last-week/306400002/

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 No.2816116

>>2816103

The default assumption is that political shit and political parites are a P.T Barnum tier dog and pony show that mean nothing. If actual Bolshevik tier Communists are getting elected that means shit has already collapsed at that point. If fake and gay muh healthcare government gib socialists are getting elected in the current socio-economic-geopolitical environment then it doesn't fucking matter. The mexican leftist dude got elected and the Mexican stock market rose and didn't give a fuck on the day of his election, it's far more interested in trade shit and Nafta shit. Bernie Sanders or Corbyn can be elected and the stock market won't give a fuck at all.


 No.2816441

Well, ya pumped the market back up to 26k. Now what's the next step of your master plan?


 No.2816662

>>2816099

Except for trump getting shot, these would all be great news for the market


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 No.2817001

>>2816982

dow crashing thread the anime

a cruel investors thesis




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 No.2816615[Reply]

If you are a university student in the West, chances are that your campus is intensely militarized. Most of the research budgets come from the military industrial complex and intelligence agencies. Your professors have all worked and are working on missile systems, surveillance, counterintelligence, propaganda, or something similar. Half the fucking companies at the career shows are weapons manufacturers, intel agencies, the military, oil companies, and banks. There are military recruiters all over campus every day, and they have a recruiting office on campus. There are probably buildings and monuments on campus paid for by all these organizations with their names on them. All your peers and classmates are tripping over each other to get an internship or a junior position at these places. ROTC freaks march all over the place, attend class in uniform, and get special accommodations from the professors. Don't point any of this out, that's creating an unsafe atmosphere for our country's heroes…

Yet this is clearly a paradise for communists, right? What the fuck are people smoking? We need to talk about this more. What are some examples of this shit that you have seen?

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 No.2816942

>>2816882

>The swastika (gammadion, "fylfot") symbol became a popular symbol of luck in the Western world in the early 20th century, as it had long been in Asia, and was often used for ornamentation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_use_of_the_swastika_in_the_early_20th_century


 No.2816945

my campus is crawling with capuchins


 No.2816950

>>2816942

>dude just read wikipedia lmao, there's nothing suss about this borderline thulean craze in the Finnish military post-WWI


 No.2816960

File: 916d929df4ed0b4⋯.jpeg (47.41 KB, 275x262, 275:262, C816059F-EDCD-4A7B-98F2-8….jpeg)

>>2816950

Feel free to do your own research m8, but it’s well known that the swastika was a widely used symbol before the Nazis adopted it. Even the Soviets used it.


 No.2816967

>>2816630

The Finnish air force used a swastika as a symbol since 1918 , which means they used it before the Nazis.




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 No.2809165[Reply]

Why don't we try to come up with convincing propaganda? Educate people about the possibility of a bank run in a highly overinflated market will necessarily make the bank run happen for real. Make normie-targeted videos with shit like Requiem for a dream music in the background and spread them around Whatsapp, Normiebook & other social media. Don't make it a political act, make it about self-preservation. If the material is convincing enough and spread properly, a critical mass for viral propagation will be reached. With probably less than 2 grands you can buy 50k fake views which is probably enough to get the ball rolling and make it snowball from there. If working-class people pull their savings from the bank, the system crashes instantaneously and porky is stunned.

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 No.2816681

>>2816667

What's up with Dunning Kruger ridden posters?

Bank runs are extremely easy to trigger. Read up on the Cyprus situation a few years ago. Or historically attested bank runs in the past years.

Any given bank has only so many funds in its own vaults at any given time. If a critical mass of people show up to empty their savings, eventually there won't be enough money for everyone and the bank will fail to be able to give back the money and pay its own debt interest, effectively rapidly sliding into bankruptcy. And that's not even assuming a massive financial crisis.


 No.2816684

>>2816681

Exactly. Fractional-reserve banking requires a bank to have only a fraction of the actual currency their customers are accounted to have deposited. Most of it is always out of the vaults, invested and borrowed out.

The idea was that since normally most of the cash and most people don't touch the money, it's not really needed to have it sitting in the vault doing nothing. So laws were passed to allow the bank to use some of this money and gamble with it for profit, assuming they wouldn't fuck up in a major way. This was seen as to increase the amount of money in circulation and the amount of loans available, which should boost the economy. A small interest was payed to the depositors from the profits in exchange for the money they had "loaned" for the bank to use, sort of revealing that it was no longer an institution for safekeeping your currency.

Currently United States law requires at least 3% of all money deposited to be on-hand. Naturally this is on a national level and concentrated bank run against a single branch-office would cause a localized problem much sooner, considering the delays our physical world imposes on us.

Of course in our digital age there is another exception. As major transactions happen across the wires, only about 10% of all "money" actually exists physically in the first place. But that's more of an business thing which plebs don't need to worry about (until they suddenly do, thanks to their boss).


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>>2816681

>what's a bank holiday

>>2816684

you can have zero reserves if it's a small bank


 No.2816953

>>2816681

>What's up with Dunning Kruger ridden posters?

Look in the mirror buddy

>Read up on the Cyprus situation a few years ago.

What happened? Did they have a central bank and did the central bank lend out funds?

>Any given bank has only so many funds in its own vaults at any given time.

And where’d all the money come from, 99% of it is borrowed from a central bank.

>If a critical mass of people show up to empty their savings, eventually there won't be enough money for everyone

>My knowledge of banking is informed by “It’s a Wonderful Life”

>I don’t know what a discount window is

<Discount window

<The discount window is an instrument of monetary policy (usually controlled by central banks) that allows eligible institutions to borrow money from the central bank, usually on a short-term basis, to meet temporary shortages of liquidity caused by internal or external disruptions. The term originated with the practice of sending a bank representative to a reserve bank teller window when a bank needed to borrow money.[1]

>>2816684

>I’m an idiot that doesn’t know how central banking works either.


 No.2816954

>>2816681

Like in the 1930s the government will call a bank holiday that closes down all banks. This takes the steam out of any mass panic. The government came up with a solution long ago you tard




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 No.2816537[Reply]

Anyone have good sources that explain/discuss in depth the Lange model of economic planning? I first heard of him in one of Cockshott's videos, which gave me the mistaken impression that it was adopted throughout the Eastern Bloc (according to Wikipedia, it wasn't fully implemented in any country).

How does it differ from Yugoslavia's form of "market socialism", the Perestroika proposals, etc.?

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 No.2816767

>>2816730

Then you're not part of the Marxist tradition. Marx's whole method was to critique and adapt bourgeois economics from a materialist working-class perspective.


 No.2816782

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>>2816767

>materialist working-class perspective.


 No.2816864

>>2816767

Hey numbnuts. The guy is talking about neoclassical economics, aka bourgeois marginalist idealism. It will never be anything but idealist and has no worth whatsoever. Junk science to be discarded. Marxism is thoroughly rooted in classical economics, which had some actual relation with the material world.


 No.2816894

File: 897135ae802ad01⋯.pdf (50.9 KB, on marginalist pricing.pdf)

I read a book by Lange on cybernetics and one written with Fred Taylor (not the Taylorism guy). Very boring and I didn't learn anything. Don't bother. Marginal-cost pricing might have niche uses, but as the general rule is a dumb idea. See pdf.

>>2816767

Neoclassical economics is useless for predicting anything.


 No.2816922

>>2816537

>Milton Friedman criticized the Lange model on methodological grounds. According to Friedman, the model rested on 'models of imaginary worlds' rather than 'generalizations about the real world', making the claims of the model immune to falsification. He also criticized the model on logical grounds, by pointing out that any system which posits state ownership of enterprise requires the continuous intervention by force from the state: any time an individual started a private enterprise, the state must either shut it down or seize it, or use force to deter individuals from starting private enterprises in the first place.[6]

sounds like some fence sitting bullshit tbh




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 No.2812668[Reply]

Hello comrades,

This is a two part documentary about the Soviet Union in the 1960s, at the height of its economic powers. It's a excellent showcase of all that is good about communism. However, the full video is not online. A few small clips can be viewed on youtube. Can we pool our efforts to get the full version of this video online? I think this would be excellent for propaganda. There is so much disinformation and very little documentation of all the good things about the Soviet Union.

Link to clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExHCAjRsZhA

Link to website https://hrmediaarchive.estuarypress.com/documentary-films/soviet-union/

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 No.2814469

>>2813751

>not also arguing the actors themselves were contracted from the west

weak


 No.2814969

>>2812668

This thread is good, if y'all don't mind i'll copy some posts to the Warsaw Pact thread.


 No.2816893

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