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 No.2380778[Reply]

Thread for the next crisis in global capitalism, monitoring markets, and theoretical discussions.

original post:

How can a lefty exploit this to their advantage? Is it too soon to try? DOW down about 1000 points since Thursday.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/02/05/dow-falls-300-points-open-extending-declines-last-week/306400002/

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 No.2942340

>>2941878

Facebook shareholder is trying to cozy up to Turmp administration and besmirching Google's reputation: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/peter-thiel-says-fbi-cia-should-probe-googles-seemingly-treasonous-ties-to-china-2019-07-14


 No.2942876

>>2942239

>hurr no grazh iv jusd geep brindind mummy :DDD

My man you have no idea what you're talking about


 No.2942889

>>2942239

>see japan

They're still in a recession after their bubble burst 30 years ago


 No.2943009

There is no crash. There is no collapse. Its not happening. It never happens.


 No.2943011

>>2941177

Isn’t that the opposite of free market capitalism?

The Chinese have avoided shit imploding through a tight control of their economy.




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 No.2940666[Reply]

This is a thread for the discussion of contemporary fascist movements, their ideology, the progress of their movements, the class forces driving them, and how to fight them. I've been researching fascism for a thesis and I'd like to kick off the thread by posting some conclusions I came to. Please let me know what you think.

>It appears that one possible explanation for populism in Gramscian terms would be a shift in the balance of forces that destabilizes the established hegemony. A hegemony develops based on the emergence of a leading group at the head of a number of others, its position is dominant but rests to a degree on the consent of the subordinate classes and certain concessions to their interests. However this arrangement can only ever be transient, and the balance of forces is always in motion whether due to fluctuating economic conditions, international geopolitics, or the dialectical motion of history. Therefore the balance of forces which produced a particular hegemony, a particular precarious balance of power between various classes and sections of classes are always in flux. It appears that populism must then emerge as a reaction of a group which had been previously placated now becoming ejected from the relatively harmonious arrangement as the balance of forces changes (e.g. The petty bourgeoisie becoming dissatisfied with the tendency towards monopoly etc.)

>This explains the content of populism, but not its form. Why then does it express itself as a struggle between an “elite” and “the people” even when it does not fundamentally challenge the institutions of power? There appear to be two likely explanations. First, that populism (particularly right wing populism) is primarily a phenomenon of the middle classes (petty bourgeoisie, labour aristocracy) or former middle classes (such as white industrial workers in the US hit hard by deindustrialization). Why this is the case may be related to the relatively precarious position of the middle classes relative to the broad mass of workers and the big bourgeoisie: the former have little to lose and the latter have far greater economic security, the middle meanwhile is both relatively privileged and relatively insecure, it has much to lose and little power to prevent its loss, and thus the most vulnerable to shifts in the balance of forces. The middle class, as per Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.2942437

>>2942384

>communication systems are technological not organic.

Yes but in and of themselves they don't produce political movements from nothing. Propaganda is only effective if it coincides with the material experiences of a particular group. Existence determines consciousness as Marx said, and thus a fascist ideology can only emerge from a group whose existence is conducive to its development. This means that in order for fascism to have a mass following, there must be a large section of the population whose experiences (which is to say their experience of labour, i.e. their class position) allow them to adopt a fascist ideology. The only alternative is that fascism is created out of thin air purely by propaganda by the big bourgeoisie, which to me smells like idealism.

You are getting ahead of your self, I though we were specifically talking about the nature of fascism, and my point is that it's dependence on communication-technology rules out, of it being a organic movement. I'm being a stickler here, because there is a sort of category expansion going on where, people point out how both feudalism and fascism used mystical and religious themes for propping up rulers, and then equate the two. I would consider feudalism to be organic, as well as a different thing.

For the material conditions, I don't know I'm considering counting neo-liberalism as a type of fascism, it's clearly aggressively hostile against humans, albeit with different mechanisms, it's clearly corporatist and a tool for imperial finance. It's more incremental than the fascism of the Nazism or Mussolini type though. Maybe there could be a stage theory, or neo-liberalism building the material conditions for fascism. Quite a lot of ex Nazi Secrete service members got hired by the CIA during the Cold war, I'm not sure how much of the ideology was translated with this, and how much influence the CIA had on the development of neo-liberalism.


 No.2942450

>>2942437

>You are getting ahead of your self, I though we were specifically talking about the nature of fascism, and my point is that it's dependence on communication-technology rules out, of it being a organic movement.

Ah I misunderstood you then. When you said that fascism wasn't organic I thought you were saying that it was entirely an artificial creation of the big bourgeoisie, rather than a genuine mass movement with its own momentum.

>I don't know I'm considering counting neo-liberalism as a type of fascism, it's clearly aggressively hostile against humans, albeit with different mechanisms, it's clearly corporatist and a tool for imperial finance.

Well I would consider neoliberalism to be an ideology that maintains the institutions of bourgeois democracy by definition, which I would say precludes it from being fascism proper. At the same time however I would also consider there to be two distinct currents as far as the most dangerous threats to democracy and socialism go. The first would of course be "proper" fascism as I described it in the OP, and the second would be a kind of totalitarian neoliberalism as >>2941125 describes. While they're both effectively fascist in the sense that they both abolish bourgeois democracy to preserve capitalism, there are differences. The main difference is of course that totalitarian neoliberalism, unlike genuine fascism, has no mass basis, and is entirely a construct of the big bourgeoisie. To simplify, I would say that Bush Jr. was the avatar of totalitarian neoliberalism, while Trump is the avatar of American fascism. Obviously the two aren't particularly opposed with one another, and I think its pretty clear that the tendency towards totalitarian neoliberalism (patriot act, mass incarceration, etc.) has laid the groundwork for proper fascism. At the same time I think it's important to identify and categorize movements based on what class forces drive them, and in this case the lack of a mass movement of the displaced middle class is an important distinction between the two.


 No.2942522

>>2942450

>Ah I misunderstood you then. When you said that fascism wasn't organic I thought you were saying that it was entirely an artificial creation of the big bourgeoisie, rather than a genuine mass movement with its own momentum.

Well it depends what you mean with momentum, without financial and material support from the capitalists facism would never have risen from the fringes. Mussolini's movement almost didn't make it because they almost ran out of money.

>Well I would consider neoliberalism to be an ideology that maintains the institutions of bourgeois democracy by definition, which I would say precludes it from being fascism proper. At the same time however I would also consider there to be two distinct currents as far as the most dangerous threats to democracy and socialism go. The first would of course be "proper" fascism as I described it in the OP, and the second would be a kind of totalitarian neoliberalism as >>2941125 describes. While they're both effectively fascist in the sense that they both abolish bourgeois democracy to preserve capitalism, there are differences. The main difference is of course that totalitarian neoliberalism, unlike genuine fascism, has no mass basis, and is entirely a construct of the big bourgeoisie. To simplify, I would say that Bush Jr. was the avatar of totalitarian neoliberalism, while Trump is the avatar of American fascism. Obviously the two aren't particularly opposed with one another, and I think its pretty clear that the tendency towards totalitarian neoliberalism (patriot act, mass incarceration, etc.) has laid the groundwork for proper fascism. At the same time I think it's important to identify and categorize movements based on what class forces drive them, and in this case the lack of a mass movement of the displaced middle class is an important distinction between the two.

You are defining fascism by the level of mass basis ?

Trump's election is history's largest recorded Fuck You, he's not the avatar of Fascism lol.

The American bourgeois is boxed in, they can'Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.2942891

>>2942522

>The American bourgeois is boxed in, they can't attempt to replicate 20th century fascism because that was predicated on militarist expansion

First off it’s not. Spain and Portugal both had fascist governments that lasted 40 years and they didn’t wage any wars of expansion. Second, the US is waging several wars of expansion right at this second, so clearly it’s still possible to do so.

>And the falling rate of profit is now increasingly driven by demography,so installing some brutal terror regime will not restore profitability.

The purpose of fascism isn’t to restore profitability, it’s to secure the bourgeois order from political threats.

>If they sperk out to much they could kill the dollar as world reserve currency and wipe out 90% or so of it's exchange value, and then they won't be able to afford fascism any-more.

Not sure what you mean by this. Are you saying that America can’t become fascist because wars of expansion would destabilize the dollar?


 No.2943000

>>2942891

>Spain and Portugal both had fascist governments that lasted 40 years and they didn’t wage any wars of expansion

Spain and Portugal are secondary economies, and as such are dominated by cartel and mafia, which is not the same as fascism.

>the US is waging several wars of expansion right at this second, so clearly it’s still possible to do so.

The major conflicts the US is currently engaged in are not actually expanding it's influence.

>The purpose of fascism isn’t to restore profitability, it’s to secure the bourgeois order from political threats.

Profitability is synonymous with the security of the political position for the bourgeoisie, remember that the German bourgeoisie didn't survive fascism, it just was restored afterwards. There is nobody on earth able do this for the American bourgeoisie.

>Not sure what you mean by this. Are you saying that America can’t become fascist because wars of expansion would destabilize the dollar?

No, America can become fascist, but only very briefly.




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 No.2929144[Reply]

What are some good non-theory lefty books out there? All i know are Persepolis and the Iron heel and a few others.

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 No.2938554

Louis Aragon

Cesare Pavese

Tristan Tzara

Victor Serge (probably more so known for his great non-fiction)

More on the Fabian side open to marxist analysis:

Oscar Wilde

George Bernard Shaw

H.G. Wells

Ibsen


 No.2938653

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Ubu Roi (Ubu the King or King Ubu) is a play by Alfred Jarry. It was first performed in Paris at the Théâtre de l'Œuvre, causing a riotous response in the audience as it opened and closed on December 10, 1896. It is considered a wild, bizarre and comic play, significant for the way it overturns cultural rules, norms, and conventions. To some of those who were in the audience on opening night, including W. B. Yeats and the poet and essayist Catulle Mendès, it seemed an event of revolutionary importance, but many were mystified and outraged by the seeming childishness, obscenity, and disrespect of the piece. It is now seen by some to have opened the door for what became known as modernism in the twentieth century. It is a precursor to Dada, Surrealism and the Theatre of the Absurd. It is the first of three stylised burlesques in which Jarry satirises power, greed, and their evil practices—in particular the propensity of the complacent bourgeoisie to abuse the authority engendered by success.

Ubu Roi was followed by Ubu Cocu (Ubu Cuckolded) and Ubu Enchaîné (Ubu in Chains), neither of which was performed during Jarry's 34-year life. One of his later works, a novel/essay on "pataphysics", is offered as an explanation behind the ideas that underpin Ubu Roi. Pataphysics is, as Jarry explains, "the science of the realm beyond metaphysics". Pataphysics is a pseudo-science Jarry created to critique members of the academy. It studies the laws that "govern exceptions and will explain the universe supplementary to this one". It is the "science of imaginary solutions".


 No.2942978

Persepolis sucks. It's such self indulgent crap from a self obsessed hack.


 No.2942981

Also "The Crab Cannery," Japanese proletarian fiction.


 No.2942996

>>2929144

Books by him

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Yefremov

Andromeda: A Space-Age Tale

Razor's Edge

The Bull's Hour

And the rest afterwards




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 No.2931251[Reply]

last thread got deleted because mods banned & deleted the posts of the guy who made the last lsc thread

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 No.2942963

>>2942956

this hurt to read


 No.2942967

>>2942956

Mark Fisher is laughing is laughing at the current stage America


 No.2942968

File: 76983dbb34d640e⋯.jpg (72.66 KB, 1112x645, 1112:645, ok.JPG)

>capitalism leads to endless innovation.


 No.2942977

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 No.2942987

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>>2935512

WHAT ABOUT THE MEMES???

boss these blokes 30 dollars for a jar of water, no matter where it was, or where it came from it's 30 fucking dollars for basically nothing.

it's a scam and people who actually bought it were scammed, and being scammed "for the lulz" doesn't make it any better.




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 No.2928932[Reply]

Being Lithuanian I was subjected to a lot of propaganda about the Soviet period, and I still don't really know how much of it is true or false. Over the past months I drifted hard to the left from my previous anarkiddy position and became an ML and thus looked up more info on Lenin, Stalin, muh 100 gorillions etc. and discovered just how much lies there are around Ukraine's and Poland's positions on the Soviet period, and now I want to know the truth about what really happened in my own country.

So the main myths that I can tell from memory right now (will post more if I remember them):

1. Soviets, after taking control in 1940 and later in 1944 (after kicking out the Germans) started purging the entire intelligentsia

2. By 1945 around 300,000 people were either incarcerated or gulag'ed (this seems really fishy as that is like 1 in 10 people at the time in Lithuania)

3. The country completely lost its independence and national self-determination and wasn't anything more than a puppet state of USSR. (From what I heard many of the original leaders of the LTSR from 1940 denounced the soviets after Germany took over in 1941 and I am very interested how legitimate these denunciations were

4. It is a popular propaganda talking point that USSR wasn't even trying to do communism in Lithuania, but tried to breed out and russify the local population by settling in Russian worker families, all for… well I don't even know why, because they hated Lithuanian spirit or some shit and something something red czar. This is obviously bullshit, but how do you counter it?

5. By wanting to crush the peoples support for the partisans, NKVD would do false flag operations and kill civvies publicly while dressed as them.

6. All friends and family of caught partisans would be banished to Siberia

7. Soviets invented lies about the partisans that they were German collaborators and jew killers. Really curious about this one, as it is really taboo to question this over here, and from my knowledge there werePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.2942772

how popular is communism in the Baltics? Lithuanians especially seem to be vehemently anti-Soviet - every video related to the Lithuanian SSR is dislike bombed and full of fascists.


 No.2942908

>>2942772

It's popular among former soviet residents who actually remember the good old days, but any communist activity is essentially marginalized and hated on. The youth, raised with shit like mentioned in the OP know the USSR through anti-soviet meme-tier propaganda and believe it.


 No.2942916

>4. It is a popular propaganda talking point that USSR wasn't even trying to do communism in Lithuania, but tried to breed out and russify the local population by settling in Russian worker families, all for… well I don't even know why, because they hated Lithuanian spirit or some shit and something something red czar. This is obviously bullshit, but how do you counter it?

that is a monumental possibly impossible thing to achieve….foreign cultures have been trying to subjugate cultures around the world for hundreds of years or outbreed them or whatever but it rarely ever succeeds

mankind is not God


 No.2942925

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>>2940907

Was planning about making a post about the DK (I assume you are referring to the "Way of Courage" party) some time later, but since you mentioned them I'll do it now.

In short, they're dead they weren't ever really that good or promising of a party to begin with. However the long version is quite fascinating. Basically they were the Lithuanian version of Pizzagate. Their story starts with a man named Drasius (name means courageous in Lithuanian) Kedys back in 2009, when he started threatening that he will, and then shooting dead a local judge and his ex wife's sister, because he thought they were molesting his daughter. Kedys then went into hiding, while the story spread like wildfire. I don't have the best recollection of all the events that happened as I was uninterested in the case and still quite young, however I'll try to give the most detailed course of events that I can. The public, or at least a vocal part of it, was on Kedys side (I'll refer to them as purple ones from now on, as they adopted it as their colour, based after the shirt Kedys was known to wear), while in the meantime an investigation was launched to examine the alleged molestation, with a man named Ūsas (think he was some kind of oligarchlet) being the main suspect. There was a prominent belief in the supporters of Kedys, that there was an entire "paedophilia clan" in prominent government posts, constantly trying to stop the case, distort evidence etc. The investigation was interrupted when Ūsas crashed his ATV and drowned in a puddle by the side of the road (the purps interpreted it as an assassination by the pedo clan in order to cover tracks). In the end Ūsas was found innocent few years later. Meanwhile, there was a national search going on for Kedys, and after a lengthy period of time some participants in a yearly spring cleaning event found his corpse in the middle of some forest while searching for trash. Cause of death was determined as chocking on vomit, however allegedly he was found bruised and the investigators handling the case acted really suspicious, though nothing solid to prove a conspiracy. During all of this Kedys's sister had taken his daughter away from the girls mother and barricaded herself in her parents house (as it was claimed that the molesting happened with the mothePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.2942926

>>2942772

Don't know about the other Baltic states but there is really a lot of stigma against communism here. Everyone who says that it may have been better under the USSR gets called a "vatnik" (aka a slur meaning an uneducated anti social Russian minority), and I guess there is some truth to that, these people are poor and quite often antisocial or violent (to my knowledge much like blacks in USA, having to live in shit neighbourhoods with shit schools and lots of drugs, with barely any government help, and just like black are far more likely to turn to crime because of these horrendous social conditions, not because of their race as fascists both here and in Burgerland claim) and did got fucked over by the USSR falling the most. Youths are shitlibs at best, and maybe there are a few zoomers who ironically/unironically hail the western propaganda meme version of Stalin, while all others are ultra apolitical, but as >>2942908 said are anti-soviet.




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 No.2936628[Reply]

Would making a shallow canal trough the Sahara as pic related be able to transform it into fertile land? Sahara is quite hot, so water from ocean would evaporate quite quickly and form fucklot of clouds which should eventually bring rain. With enough rain, sand should be in a few generations mostly washed away and some new rivers could start to flow. The immediate effects on environment might not be very good, salt doesn't help plants and organisms grow well. On other hand - those 6 cactuses and 7 scorpions which live there - to keep them is no benefit to us. To destroy them is no loss.

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 No.2942566

>>2940791

>Salt lakes are great economic assets.

How?


 No.2942642

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>>2942607

>ï have no argument

Stay mad


 No.2942756

>>2936762

There is no state of nature. There is no place on earth humans live adjacent to that hasnt been shaped and reshaped or at least somehow effected by our presence. The "natural balance" is ideology, we need ambitious but responsible environmental engineering on a large scale to counteract climate change, that's the only way you're going to reduce the effects, you can't just reverse the process.


 No.2942761

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>>2936648

you need to go learn literally anything about this subject and then come back


 No.2942917

>>2942566

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Salt_Lake#Commerce

>Great Salt Lake contributes an estimated $1.3 billion annually to Utah's economy,[61] including $1.1 billion from industry (primarily mineral extraction), $136 million from recreation, and $57 million from the harvest of brine shrimp.[62]

>Solar evaporation ponds at the edges of the lake produce salts and brine (water with high salt quantity). Minerals extracted from the lake include: sodium chloride (common salt), used in water softeners, salt lick blocks for livestock, and to melt ice on local roadways (food-grade salt is not produced from the lake, as it would require costly processing to ensure its purity); potassium sulfate, used as a commercial fertilizer; and magnesium-chloride brine, used in the production of magnesium metal, chlorine gas, and as a dust suppressant. US Magnesium operates a plant on the southwest shore of the lake, which produces 14% of the worldwide supply of magnesium, more than any other North American magnesium operation.[62] Mineral-extraction companies operating on the lake pay royalties on their products to the State of Utah, which owns the lake.[63]

>The harvest of brine shrimp cysts during fall and early winter has developed into a significant local industry, with the lake providing 35% to 45% of the worldwide supply of brine shrimp,[62] and cysts selling for as high as $35 per pound ($77/kg).[64] Brine shrimp were first harvested during the 1950s and sold as commercial fish food. In the 1970s the focus changed to their eggs, known as cysts, which were sold primarily outside the US as food for shrimp, prawns, and some fish.[47] Today, these are mostly sold in East Asia and South America.[65] The amount of cysts and the quality are affected by several factors, but salinity is most important. The cysts will hatch at 2 to 3% salinity, but the greatest productivity is at salinities above about 10%. If the salinity drops near 5% to 6%, the cysts will lose buoyancy and sink, making them more difficult to harvest.[47]




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 No.2885711[Reply]

With the release of new HBO mini-series 'Chernobyl' there have been a lot of threats on it on /tv/. As expected there have been a lot of anti-Soviet and anti socialist propaganda talking about how Soviets forced thousands of people to work for free and that thousands have perished because of Soviet evilness or incompetence. People also put emphasis on Soviet propaganda completely ignoring the tragedy, but rather focusing on what was happening in US.

On the other hand there are also sources that state that 'only' 40 people had died, that evacuation went smoothly and things were professionally fixed; as much as possibly. There are also sources that state that 25,000 Ukrainian, Byelorussian and Russian victims of Chernobyl were threated in Cuba. What's the truth, thought?

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 No.2939231

>>2939227

oh I know, I was just providing it as an example of how stupid teens who were born at the end or after the USSR buy this shit so easily, and then get BTFO by people actually there.


 No.2939278

>>2926004

>Chernobyl starts with a party official declaring the Communist Party is their God, and they must confine people in Prityat

That speech was actually recorded, and it was basically something like "we can't know for sure if there is an emergency or not, so we should stay put". It was made by some careerist official, not a diehard communist.

>showing drafted Communist soldiers shooting puppies

If we are to believe Chernobil Prayer, that actually happened. That's the only credible source though so I'm pretty skeptical.


 No.2939340

>>2939278

>That speech was actually recorded

Not the way it was presented in the series it wasn't.

>Chernobyl Prayer

That rubbish book is heavily criticized in Russia due to how it plays around with its 'memoirs' and takes way too many liberties in telling the story.


 No.2942376

Did Soviets lie to west Germans about radiation?

Why couln't they construct own robot to whistand heavy radiation?


 No.2942902

>>2942376

> lie to west Germans about radiation?

I've seen it claimed, including in this thread but I have yet to see primary source on tha being true or intentional. ( I reckon that if they did send wrong radiation information it was probably because they had a bad radiation reading or the radiation levels increased afterwards)

>why couldn't they construct their own

they tried several times but since they were rushing they didn't fully succeed.




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 No.2942856[Reply]

>my normie friends today: nazis were socialist, it stands for National Soycialism bro

I'm the only ml I know irl. What's the point anons. The world is gonna be uninhabitable either way by the end of century. Even if we return to anprim living conditions and billions die overnight this won't stop anything because we're currently feeling the effects of previous emissions from 40 years ago

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 No.2942870

>>2942856

Snap back with "Oh, that must mean North Korea is a shining example of a democratic republic that belongs to the people because that's what they call themselves!"

Not that the DPRK isn't actually closer to a democracy than the country you and your normie friends live in by the definition of the word, but they don't know that


 No.2942871

>>2942870

>Not that the DPRK isn't actually closer to a democracy than the country you and your normie friends live in by the definition of the word, but they don't know that

Do you tankies actually believe that? Everyone in eastern europe knows how big of a joke socialist elections are. Make no mistake the bourgeoise one's aren't better, but they atleast appear to be.


 No.2942888

>>2942867

How much burgerified is Switzerland?


 No.2942894

>>2942888

It's a country run by petty bougie cunts whos sole reason for existence is holding capitalist profit away from national taxes. Compared to say a country like France. I would say we have less class consciousness. But at the same Swiss cucks are pretty wealthy except for the Arabs who are treated like shit


 No.2942900

>>2942871

Sure m8, it's not like many who actually lived in countries like Ukraine at the time actually miss the Soviet times. Trust Goebbels clear nonsense about the Soviets XD.




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 No.2925519[Reply]

Is it because they know there’s no justification for how tucking awful this country actually is? That its the richest country on Earth and yet many Americans are dying of opioids, are snapping and killing their classmates, are homeless on the streets?

Americans have a severe victim complex, their government goes all around the world sewing chaos, and Americans take pity on themselves and fail to understand why they’re utterly loathed. No other country has had this particular pathology, from what I’ve seen. Many countries have always manufactured reasons for war, but only Americans demand sympathy from the world they rule. Not tribute, not glory, sympathy.

Because Americans know there is no excuse, no justification, their country is evil and furthermore doesn’t care about them, and the only thing that Americans can do is pity themselves and pity their country. Sad.

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 No.2942136

I kind of get insulted when someone insult Sweden and Sweden has gotten much insults especially from that damn geriatric posing as a president in the US.

Most probably his nuclear football is a dud, he probably presses it daily and then forgets he did ;-)


 No.2942218

>>2925519

Because it's our home. I don't walk into your house and complain about the color of the walls, what's on TV, what food you have in your cupboard, what brand of bed you have, or how often you like to dust your furniture.


 No.2942225

>>2925519

Because, post soviet union and even during the cold war, american exceptionalism was based entirely around nationality, rather expertise. However, once russia collapsed, america had nothign to define itself by, as it had so long defined itself as NOTUSSR, so it literally defined America as itself. It sound ridiculous, but also the entirety of america is ridiculous, it plays into that idea of truths being self evident. So attacking america is literally that, attacking america, all of it, no ifs ands or butts, you are literally attacking individuals, atleast in their minds.


 No.2942238

>>2942218

I’m from America, you retarded burger fuck, this is why America should be nuked into oblivion


 No.2942892

>>2926618

They only do so because NATO exists and is bankrolled primarily by the US




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 No.2942729[Reply]

Depending on how this raid goes it can have a big impact on US society, the idea of "they can't stop us all" it's the first step of revolution and it looks like a shit tone of people responded well to this statement. The next big crisis can lead to the people toppling the state if we keep working in class consciousness

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 No.2942875

>>2942872

its literally a meme no one is showing up


 No.2942877

>>2942875

Yeah, I can believe that


 No.2942924

>>2942816

>The difference is that in Tieniman Square the protesters were outright killing police officers.

Mabey in your head

>>2942865

No, the Pentagon will just move whatever next generation F-meme number prototype plane that they have in Area 51 to some other military base before 9/20. Unless Area 51 isn’t a testing site, but a sight used to store nuclear waste in which case they will just let people in and when the get cansor the fedd will be like “I told you so.”


 No.2942999

>>2942924

The proof is in the pictures, although I asserted that it was a violent CIA agents that initiated the crackdown

>>2942816


 No.2943105

>>2942729

I basically agree in the sense that applying this elsewhere would be a good idea. It's just a bit disconcerting that it's applied to Area 51… like there are a lot of more urgent places where this would make a lot more sense. FFS there surely wouldn't even be aliens left at Area 51 by now anyway.

>>2942865

>Everyone raiding the air force base will die, it'll be accepted as necessary business as usual by the masses, and nothing will change. Though I can't help but wonder about the long-term international ramifications which won't be so easy to mitigate.

This is a good thing, though.

I think a lot of Americans don't even accept the possibility of dying fighting their government - they don't get enough demonstrations of it.




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 No.2940095[Reply]

Is it wrong I just hate drug addicts and users? I have to admit my personal experience of dealing with a smackhead father leaves me biased but in general I can't stand these people and think less of them. Unsurprisingly it produces a pretty bad reaction amongst other leftists when I'm asked about it.

So should I re-think my stance?

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 No.2942753

>>2941773

No im responsable well mannered… kind hearted do best by people spoilerI can never truly now how my actions are without my bias but i do hold these things to be truespoiler


 No.2942754

Ok im such a new fag I get my retarded ass is a autist so hate on


 No.2942766

>>2941735

The modest genocide would be against those who wish to perform genocide?


 No.2942852

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>>2940109

Damn, I didn't know Fisher was so straight edge. I wonder if that's a byproduct of having spent so much time around the CCRU…

His points seem pretty valid though - it's definitely harder to fight capital when you're baked af. I have to wonder though, if maybe getting a bit lit might have helped him take the edge off of the feelings and thoughts that were hurting him so greatly.


 No.2943135

>>2940095

No you shouldn't rethink it. Drug dealers are the worst and they destroy entire communities for a quick buck and they don't care whom they destroy either.

The left defends them because they too are willing to ruin anyone's life if it means any better material gain, or short term pleasure. They don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. This is why they can be found supporting the Democratic party, and the bankers social agenda. They are willing to ruin anyone's life or reputation, erase history, assault the working class if it means a democrat is in office and they at least get the rhetoric of maybe getting gibs. They also defend gays to the last man despite the fact the LGBTQPedo movement has never done a damn thing for them, they get used like toilet paper and tossed aside by sodomizers, after they themselves figuratively sodomize the working class anytime they want to oppose the bankers social agenda.




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 No.2935565[Reply]

SOCIAL MOBILITY

We did it Reddit!

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 No.2939737

>>2936011

Class always comes first. Bourgeois feminists are bourgeoisie first and feminist later


 No.2939807

>>2939623

>maintenance

>women are skilled mechanics and doctors

no, statistically they stay clear of high skilled labor, the only ones with significant numbers of high skill and high cert are asians, jobs are for people like you who think money magically falls out of sky


 No.2940173

>>2939807

>who think money magically falls out of sky

money is created by somebody typing on a computer

there are people who get money solely because their name is in a database entry in a computer that is then called passive income from capital.

You don't make money by working hard, this is empirically verifiable, just have a look at sweatshop workers, they work hard and make next to nothing.


 No.2942738

File: a72571494b39c5f⋯.jpg (66.58 KB, 850x400, 17:8, hoxha women.jpg)

>>2935770

>Feminism has always been in service of the bourgeoisie

Woah didn't know Lenin, Stalin and Hoxha were bourgeois.


 No.2942851

File: d0eeb86cfbe96d2⋯.gif (1.34 MB, 540x304, 135:76, 238EF188-D75D-4262-A9A6-26….gif)

>>2935565

>3rd richest women

>>divorce

Maybe we should change these backward laws that treat women like little more than cattle, incapable of making their own capital or, with alimony, providing any prosocial service to society at all.

Fat kek




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 No.2914750[Reply]

I believe that this document is not avaliable in English. It's an first account of the dissolution of the German Democratic Republic and the socialist camp written by Erich Honecker, former chief of state of East Germany, while imprisoned in West Germany. You should read it, I'm posting a translation of the spanish translation. If anyone has the german original is welcomed to post it.

It's very interesting, it shows Honecker as someone who despite his mistakes in his political career and East Germany, was truly a commited communist and not a career-seeker as most of the other brehznevites. His predictions about future post-Berlin Wall world are also spot on for the most part. Was he /our guy/ after all?

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.marxists.org%2Fespanol%2Fhonecker%2F1993%2Fnotas.htm

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 No.2936716

Some more quotes from Honecker, in German with translation right below:

<Was wäre aus Europa ohne die Gründung der DDR und deren Einfluss geworden? Diese Frage sollte man sich stellen und ehrlich beantworten, bevor man die DDR verteufelt.

>What would have Europe turned into without the foundation of the GDR and its influence? This question one needs to ask and answer honestly before one condemns the GDR.

<Ich sehe die Perestroika als ein Unglück für die Menschheit. Die Welt ist aus den Angeln gerissen. Golfkrieg, Balkankrieg, Krieg im Kaukasus, Moldawien, in der OECD 30 Millionen Arbeitslose, Miet- und Preiserhöhungen ohne Ende, die Bürger der DDR als Menschen 2. Klasse in Deutschland, die Beamten kommen aus Westdeutschland.

>I see Perestroika as a disaster for humanity. The world got torn off its hinges. Gulf war, Balkan war, war in the Caucasus, Moldavia, 30 million jobless in the OECD, rent and prices rising without end, the citizens of the GDR as second-class people in Germany, the public servants coming from West Germany.

<Im Rundfunk kommen die Meldungen zum Tage. Die »Arbeitsgemeinschaft 13. August« würdigt die »Toten an der Mauer«, selbstverständlich fällt kein Wort zu den erschossenen Grenzsoldaten. Gestern, so sagte der Anwalt, hätten sie das Ermittlungsverfahren um Mord erweitert, natürlich gegen mich, Stoph, Mielke. Es gäbe einen Beschluss über eine »Hinrichtung«. Ich kann mich beim besten Willen nicht entsinnen. Sie fabrizieren eine Lüge nach der anderen.

>On the radio there are news about the day. The "Workng Group August 13th" recognizes the "Dead of the Wall", of course there's not a single word about the shot border guards. Yesterday the lawyer said that they had extended investigation proceedings to include murder, of course against me, [Willi] Stoph, [Erich] Mielke. There were a resolution about an "execution". To the best of my ability I can't remember. They fabricate one lie after another.

Footnote 49 mentions that the social court rejected Honecker's suit against depriving him of getting the special pension for those being persecuted by the Nazi regime. (Wouldn't suPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.2936731

>>2924747

>>2933979

>tfw Honecker got cancelled 55 years later and it wasn't even real

Honestly seeing this is very telling about how socialist leaders and their countries got utterly smeared, and a lot of self-identified socialists believe it.


 No.2941795

>>2933999

checked trips.

>can anyone mess them up

LOL it's an internet archive we have no idea where half the members even post from.


 No.2942815

File: d027292f9c1c426⋯.jpg (95.43 KB, 768x1024, 3:4, Krenz-Egon-stehend-1-768x1….jpg)

>>2914750

Was Egon Krenz based or not in your opinion?

It is obvious that Honecker mismanaged political institutions in Germany


 No.2942847

>>2942815

Egon seems like a good man, and to this day is still a committed communist and sees the collapse of the DDR as a bad thing.




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 No.2936458[Reply]

Hello. This is my second time here. I'd like to ask if there's a general consensus on this board's posters about these topics:

Are the successful northern european countries considered socialist by you guys (Sweden, Switzerland, Iceland, Norway, Denmark, etc)?

Are the shitty central and south american countries considered socialist by you guys (Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, etc)?

Thank you and have a great day.

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 No.2942809

>>2942806

Pardon but I actually reposted that after deleting the previous for many typos and I forgot to edit the spacing. I will be mindful of it next time.


 No.2942823

>>2936535

>What if Russia got better in spite of the regime, and not thanks to it?

Russian reactionaries had to be dragged into every good reform kicking and screaming.

Church was against education and vaccination, kulaks were against collectivization and motorization, if not for soviets we either would be still semi-feudal or wiped out by nazis.

The "regime" actively worked towards improving living standards in the republics and things that developed in spite of it are shit like black market, that gave birth to oligarchs that rule the country today.


 No.2942824

>>2940086

>implying in caitalism you would not be just because corporate manipulation made you believe so

>Implying communism is just some Georgian, Chinese and Korean doing stuff

>>2936632

>It works though, we're peak in human history.

Peak extiction, yes. Go fucking read about the robber baron era. Thank a communist for not being made to work 16 hours.

>In socialism, the dictator has even more power than politicians and big corporations do in current societies.

Say that to my libertarain socialist/ anarcho-syndicalist face IRL and see.


 No.2942825

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>>2942806

I never understood reddit spacing until I actually used a quote on reddit and my comment ended in the quote.


 No.2942846

this is what happens when they try to slowplay "gommunism doesn't work heh" instead of just spamming porn or memes

I prefer the latter tbh




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 No.2914178[Reply]

Now that dumb fuck BO is dead, it is time to relive the grand Rojava general:

What is the situation now that ISIS are gone?

How will they fit into the new Syria?

Will Erdogan stop throwing his shit around?

What steps do they need to take to ensure against a smooth transition to socialism and communism?

>muuuh kurds are imperialist

so why then does Assad ally with them and pay for their healthcare?

Brainlets out of this thread plz.

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 No.2938284

>>2936342

>Erdogan is stopping the migrants

> Germany wants to stop them

Lmao you people will say literally anything


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 No.2938313

>>2937482

He serves as a commander in the armed forces of the Barzani sultanate and leads the PAK party which is hardly leftist.

And he is a true galaxy brain who claims that Iran supports ISIS.

https://ekurd.net/kurdish-pak-iran-islamic-state-2016-06-30


 No.2938358

>>2938313

>the armed forces of the Barzani sultanate

That's a shame tbh

>>2938289

Where's the argument here?


 No.2942836

bumpity bump

pro ISIS Baath fags btfo ITT




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