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I've been wondering why each of us here ended up on /leftypol/ rather than /pol/. There is a high probability that we are disaffected young men desperately searching for meaning under neoliberalism. So what factors have led us to the left rather than the right?

For me, I've been obsessed with the Enlightenment and the French revolution since adolescence. When playing Empire Total War, even as absolute monarchs I strove towards the ideals of the enlightenment. I was a fedora-tipping keyboard warrior that pointlessly argued with fundies on social media. I hated the United States for invading Iraq, because that meant the budget shifted to killing random brown people rather than taking care of its own people. I viewed 9/11 as a clash between Enlightenment against Islamist reaction (and now as Wahhabi capitalism) rather than a more classical Christianity vs Islam clash of civilizations.

I've even somehow convinced myself that power is the only truth in this world yet I still lean left, since Napoleon and Stalin were incredibly powerful men of the left.

What factors have led us to the left rather than the right?

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What do you call a system that is left wing on the economic axis but in the centre of the authoritarian axis, with a small set of laws that ensure the smooth operation of society and serve the people, but avoids authoritarian and oppressive laws that only serve the state?



De Leonism





Things I have in common with Elon musk:

Both white.

Things I have in common with black of same class:

Own similar house

Live in same neighborhood

Eat similar diet

Have same political concerns

Work similar job

Don’t send cars into space



>authoritarian and oppressive laws that only serve the state

USSR constitution wasn't really authoritarian at all, it's the extra legal shit NKVD and KGB did that's questionable.



If they weren't so rare, there would be no fascists.

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Cyber sec thread. For all online leftist activity, we're going to need to be careful in the coming years. From everything to protests, to strikes, to insurrection.

Post OpSec, networking, hacking etc.

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Bumping because you dumbasses are still posting from incognito mode


I'm still trying to set up my gentoo install.


Lmao I’ve accepted that it’s already too late for most of the online left.



security is about mitigation and threat models. it is not too late.


lol we can commit assault with a deadly weapon on livestream and get a little community service. What exactly am I hiding from on the internet?

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How would we conduct a revolution if we were to conduct one? Should we start a revolution?

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Oi, idiots. Fascism happens in countries with failed communist revolutions. Stop obsessing over it.

Liberalism is/was/and always will be the real target and culprit.



Like Germany?

>but Rosa

That was 15 years earlier FFS.



Yes, like Germany. Like Biennio Rosso in Italy, and the PSOE/syndicalists/anarchists in Spain. France nearly joined them. If a country doesn't have a growing communist presence, it won't go fascist. It will, however, continue to engage in imperialism, regardless of the self-professed politics or rhetoric of its governments.


honeypot thread


I kinda feel like shits hopeless and neoliberal capitalism is fucking invincible. No one gives a fuck about anything but Marvel comics and cummies while they live in one bedroom hovels. And they don't see an issue with this.

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ITT: ask questions you think don't deserve their own thread, or are simple to the point they don't fit the character limit for thread creation.

This thread can be used by both leftists and non-leftists.

Contributions of individuals in reply to your questions do not represent the posters of this board as a whole.

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>No. "Patriotism" is a pretty recent Phenomenon. As we know it, it comes into existence together with Capitalism.

It's actually pretty fucking old and usually intertwined with religion as well.


Go and read the old testament, it's more or less fanfiction that says "the god of my people can kick the ass of the god of your people" over and over again


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What do Socialists think of the Malthusian trap theory? I know most people think he's wrong since it never happened but I am curious if any socialists considered it a factor in class warfare when the theory was more credible.



Malthus is just outdated, his theories don't apply for the industrial age, but for earlier historical periods he's mostly correct.



What exactly differentiates fascism and Nazism from more traditional forms of reactionary thought, like monarchism? How does neoreactionary thought fit into the picture?



It's bullshit, Marx refuted him 200 years ago. Read the part of Capital Vol 1 that talks about the reserve army of labor and population growth.

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Global Capitalism: July 2019 Economic Update

It's time for Wolff man.



What are some examples that Wolff is referencing when he talks about past societies regularly rotating land control to prevent dominant oligarchs from emerging?



The debt cancellations are about the ancient mesopotamia and levant. The land rotations might be from the same area. Michael Hudson has researched finance in the ancient world check him out.



Yeah I'm pretty acquainted with debt jubilees and have been trying to get my hands on Michael's new book for a while. I'm glad Wolff has been paying attention to his work. But the land rotation thing is something I specifically want to know more about.



giving it a listen, hopefully this will be listened to over that shiter thread about the eceleb zoomers

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hey one of my favorite things about your guys imageboard is all of the anime that leftists post

I notice you guys like to use a lot of anime unlike /pol/


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And that's why left politics will win out in the end.



We have a board dedicated to anime.



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more anime


Given the history of imageboards, it's only natural for imageboard dwellers to post anime if only by exposure alone.


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read this and tell me why its wrong

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You're an idiot for thinking it's at all reasonable to demand we go though this slog and debunk it.

Just state what you think is correct about the article so I can point out your historical, structural, or logical mistake.



Mise pretty much debunks himself anyways.

It's asinine to think people will only want the bare minimum with out some overlord cracking the whip on them. People enjoy living well. No reason to think we need some one to make us live well.

It's ridiculous; he thinks people are just lazy idiots and slobs.


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I can't say that I understand where he comes up with this whole section.

>The naive logic of the advocates of Syndicalism assumes without any further ado a completely stationary condition of society, and pays no attention to the problem, how the system will adapt itself to changes of economic conditions. If we assume that no changes occur in the methods of production, in the relations of supply and demand, in technique, or in population, then everything seems to be quite in order. Each worker has only one child, and departs out of this world at the moment his successor and sole heir becomes capable of work; the son promptly steps into his place. We can perhaps assume that a change of occupation, a transfer from one branch of production to another or from one independent undertaking to another by a voluntary simultaneous exchange of positions and of shares in the means of production will be permitted. But for the rest the syndicalist state of society necessarily assumes a strictly imposed caste system and the complete end of all changes in industry and, therefore, in life. The mere death of a childless citizen disturbs it and opens up problems which are quite insoluble within the logic of the system.

>In the syndicalist society the income of a citizen is made up of the yield from his portion of property and of the wages from his labour. If the shares in the property in the means of production can be freely inherited, then in a very short time differences in property holding will arise even if no changes occur among the living. Even if at the beginning of the syndicalist era the separation of the worker from the means of production is overcome, so that every citizen is an enterpreneur as well as a worker in his undertaking, it may so happen that later on citizens who do not belong to a particular undertaking inherit shares in it. This would very quickly drive the syndicalist society to a separation of labour and property, without the advantages of the capitalist order of society.



That's why.

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>DSA/Jacobin/Haymarket-sponsored ‘Socialism’ conference features US gov-funded regime-change activists

Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal have just written an amazing piece in the Grayzone Project regarding the Haymarket ‘socialist’ conference in Chicago organised by anti-communist groups the D.S.A and Jacobin magazine. The article links C.I.A group the National Endowment for Democracy funding for various individuals and groups at the conference shilling for regime change against Cuba, Nicaragua and the People’s Republic of China. For those who don’t know Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal are amazing journalist who contribute to the Greyzone project but also have a podcast called ‘Moderate Rebels’.


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>Would he really have the power to defy the Chinese government ?

He definitely influences them.



Why not join the 4th international and be a Marcyite dawg?


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wow riveting discourse



>Everyone is neoliberal except me



>Taking sides between them is like taking sides in WW1.

World would be better if German Empire won so China should be supported.

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I just wanted to bring this old thread back.

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Don't forget this recent gem


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If you're able bodied, you have no excuse for not working out/getting in shape if you have free time. That doesn't mean you need to lift weights at the gym. There's many different things you can do at home. Post your routines and advice ITT if you do work out.

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>>He doesn't think resistance training is beneficial for hand-to-hand combat, melee combat, how fast you can run, how high you can jump, your ability to take damage ect…

>Friendly reminder that there is a reason why they separate martial artists by weight class, and why some of the best and most highly trained soldiers in the world are usually very strong.

>Adding mass making you slower is a meme. If you do speed, stamina, and martial arts training along with some weight training, then all thats going to happen is you will be maximizing your athletic potential. And strength is very much a huge factor in athletic potential.

>Also big muscles make you look badass and add to the intimidation factor.


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>He doesn't think resistance training is beneficial for hand-to-hand combat, melee combat, how fast you can run, how high you can jump,

I think directly practicing the skill you are trying to do is always going to be more beneficial.

>your ability to take damage ect…

It's not going to really effect how you take a bullet. Especially larger calibers.

>Friendly reminder that there is a reason why they separate martial artists by weight class

They used to not separate UFC by weight class and the results were not completely one sided. I'm not a big expert. But once again fuck this melee nonsense. Only a fool would enter into combat where his opponent has a near equal chance to defeat him.


> best and most highly trained soldiers in the world are usually very strong.

I'm telling you the midgets are the best soldiers in the world. That is just facts. There average height is 5'3. You think any of them are benching what these 6'3 protein shake beef cakes soldiers are benching? But one Ghurka would kill ten of them no sweat.


>Adding mass making you slower is a meme.

Bruce Lee would beg to differ. He was usually around 135 pounds than he came to America and got into body building and bulked up to 155 but he cut back to his original weight because he felt the extra muscle mass did indeed make him slower.

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waste of time, reading is more important



>Not doing both


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Try harder

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redpill me on Freudo-Marxism

what are the key differences between Freudo-Marxism and other Marxist schools of thought?

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>criticizes contemporary psychology in contrast to Freud for pushing mind-altering substances


>points out Freud did that as well


>claiming that's a logical fallacy

🧑🏼? I don't think so.



fucking redditor GTFO


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The fifteen years in question, throughout which Freud used and recommended cocaine was

1) in the historical context of not yet understanding scientifically (like now) the effects of cocaine – your sources project back our current understanding and conclude that, DURR, FREUD DUMB (this is called ahistoricity). Freud was in the environment of his contemporary psychiatry out of which he desperately tried to escape;

2) in his personal period wherein Freud was still employed as a psychiatrist. This discipline itself was in its primitive days. Freud's invention (or introduction of) psychoanalysis marks the very break with said discipline. For one thing, after his "epistemological break" with psychiatry, Freud advocated for the utilization of – what he called – "the talking cure," meaning that psychological problems must be, and can only be effectively alleviated through the medium of speech, free association, the produced slips and their questioning, and so on. You will not find a single recommendation from Freud to his patients after he begin developing psychoanalysis, to start using cocaine, in other words;

3) your dubious (yellow press, rather) sources' whole aim is to discredit Freud by looking at his personal life, trying to discredit him by stating that he 'sharted out this BS theory of psychoanalysis while being on drugs'. May I remind you that one of (if not the) most important mathematician of the 20th century, Paul Erdős, was an amphetamine addict his entire life? Does this discredit him? I don't think so. Freud using cocaine BEFORE the scientific understanding of addiction and coming off of the stuff from his own volition and by finding out its adverse affects ultimately prove his intelligence;

4) You, in your shitty retort, try to compare the whole industry of contemporary big pharma's profit oriented genocide of people with mental problems to a 19th century man experimenting on the cutting edge of his contemporary science. I already provided a video explaining this, and naturally you don't bother to respond to it;

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>what are the key differences between Freudo-Marxism and other Marxist schools of thought?




>in the historical context ablobloblo

But the Freud haters aren't comparing Freud to other notorious quacks of Freud's time and find him lacking (I suppose one can make a good argument for Freud>Rudolf Steiner, but I'm also not terribly impressed by that achievement), nor are they comparing him to more broadly accepted mainstream science of that time, they find him lacking from today's point of view.

>the effects of cocaine – your sources project back our current understanding and conclude that, DURR, FREUD DUMB (this is called ahistoricity) blahblahblah Freud using cocaine BEFORE the scientific understanding of addiction

NO U are the one who has trouble thinking straight about history. As if more ignorance could have prevented what happened to the Radium Girls. Cocaine fucks with your brain no matter which timeline you're in. You talk here as if we lived in a cartoon and you could just walk on air as long as you don't look down.

>your dubious (yellow press, rather) sources blahblah you under-read pseud.

Frederick Crews read Freud in the original German, both official works and private correspondence, and wrote a book with over twenty pages of notes. Have you actually read the book, yes or no?

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How can we win when we are chained to proprietary networks that charge outrageous fees for meager, controlled and censored internet access?

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You buy this ugly motherfucker.

It mines worthless buttcoins over the existing internet, then at some indeterminate time in the future you'll be able to buy an antenna upgrade, which will create an uncensorable decentralized replacement for the internet. You can then spend your buttcoins to get faster routing around the network.

States BTFO!!!111

>ps: Read Atlas Shrugged


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>Employees kidnap CEO




Peak ancap.

For a Chinese team they absolutely nailed the marketing though, to appeal to the whole American slacktivist libertarian thing.

Buy a magic box and it will BTFO of the state and commiefornia tech companies. Perfect value proposition.


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Yeah this looks like a flaming dog turd, such a shame. What is there to do in this hellscape? Any real or true alternatives for us?

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This time with a French OP. Can we get a cycling thread for as long as the crisis is ongoing?

Also as a Frenchman, I can probably answer any questions you guys might have.

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Based beyond belief


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Imagine just being raped with an SKS by a human drone fleet


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Thread for discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions and the status and health of its socialist tradition.

Archive of first ~500 posts:


Subsequent archives:


Related archives:


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Just ask them to consider how logistically impractical and unfeasible such an undertaking would be. Especially for a country like the DPRK.

It is ironic how the same people accuse DPRK supporters of being "delusional denialist conspiracy theorists", while at the same time accusing the DPRK of running an elaborate Truman show replica for every tourist and expat in the country.


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>Juche Prime is online. All systems nominal. Weapons hot. Mission: the destruction of any and all Burger imperialists

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Can I join the wevolution too anons. I wanna destwoy the bouwgeoisie uwu

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As an ancom I feel betrayed.


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Best praxis itt tbh desu fam

Shaikh lectures on the history of classical economics are much needed to understand communist mangu to the fullest.


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really want tankie loli gf


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Where can I get my theory in anime form?



Just watch Shaikh and use your imagination to picture a cute waifu sweet talking you about economics.

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