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can someone debunk this picture i found on pol. im too lazy to do my own research ————————————————————————————————————————————-

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They're all mostly men, male genocide now!




Most of the time these people see a German name and assume it's jewish because they're dense as shit.


All I see are capitalist propaganda pushers



>95% of the bolshevik government were jewish

nigger fuck right off.

With regards to the above image, yeh there are probably jews in the media. So what, there are also large amounts of whites in the media, more so than blacks.

What you are pulling is SJW shit "why is x group more/less represented in x industry" well nigger, the answer is capitalism.

In the case of jews, it is specifically their position in history as the sneaky ones who got kicked out that put them in this position.

muh good christian kings wanted ways around the fact they wanted to be usurers but the bible wouldnt let them, so they had jews do the dirty work for them, jews being in banking a lot is the result.

However, there are also chinese, japense, krygytani, mestizo and lots and lots of white bankers.

The problem is banks, which exist independently of race, the problem is the media, which exists independently of race.

You have to be a special kind of autistic retard to think the connection is anything but a historical left over.

are whites banned from being in media? No. Have they ever been? No.

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Holy shit… so Bernie was based and redpilled after all? Why did he hide his power level until now?


shitposts go in /leftytrash/


>non mode of production

What does he mean by this?

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>inb4 go kill yourself blackpilled faggot

>muh hope

Genuine question I think everyone should ask themselves.

honestly western leftists are too sperged out and individualized to ever coalesce as a relevant political force, everyone is focused on cultivating their very own very special political identity and discussing retarded ideological bullshit with each other to even fight back against the right.

Even here and in the other board most of you faggots are nothing but quasi-reformed /pol/yps who can't spend 5 minutes without arguing about whether or not you should kill all trannies/blacks/browns because for some retarded reason or another you cannot fathom existing at the same time or place than someone who is vaguely different than you. Hell there's even a chunk of you who won't believe anything about climate change until you're dying from heatstroke, freezing to death, starving or drowned within a decade or two.

Out there everyone is mostly just backwards liberals and traditionalists who have most definitely lost their minds, normies who literally can't see shit beyond what's in front of them and are unable to think about anything but basic normie shit and fringe bullshit like anti vaxxers.

Is society just too far gone to ever recover? even if we somehow magically manage not to get sent back to the stone age by climate catastrophe in the next few decades and we actually manage to get a revolution off the ground, is there anything still worth saving?

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>Hell there's even a chunk of you who won't believe anything about climate change until you're dying from heatstroke, freezing to death, starving or drowned within a decade or two.

You seriously think this is going to happen?

Come on man, two decades from now we won't be able to eat?



Sounds like a good thing.



>Even here and in the other board most of you faggots are nothing but quasi-reformed /pol/yps who can't spend 5 minutes without arguing about whether or not you should kill all trannies/blacks/browns because for some retarded reason or another you cannot fathom existing at the same time or place than someone who is vaguely different than you. Hell there's even a chunk of you who won't believe anything about climate change until you're dying from heatstroke, freezing to death, starving or drowned within a decade or two

Newfag detected. /leftpol/ has been colonized by reactionaries for months at this point (and they were there from the start if we're being honest, pretty much outnumbering those with actual grievances with BO policy before long), and you seem to have a really hard time distinguishing between people who are actually from /pol/ baiting and who is a leftist, so you're either fucking disabled or disingenuous. All in all, go kill yourself blackpilled faggot, sage for solopsistic defeatism thread.






Ignore this poster, they're the same reactionary who posts this shit in all the other threads and are constantly ban evading. If you see someone bring up climate change when it's not relevant, or see someone mention Al Gore or other denialist talking points, chances are it's this retard.



Yes I can elaborate on that. The early Roman empire (pre 200) took the spoils of the places it conquered and used it for their own sake. They adopted knowledge from Greeks and appropriated a lot of culture into their dominant structure.

I believe the religious conflicts that took place within cities such as for example Alexandria (Christians and Jews) in late antiquity give a good idea when a certain religion can't take over another. The plus side of culture is that it's very flexible and open to appropriate or change for better (or worse). But religion doesn't have this bend, I think mistakes of past will be repeated when culture started mattering less and religion more in society.

The reason I said life is quite good right now is that I was comparing it to 19th century. Which was a very patriarchal society, women needed to marry to even stand a chance if they didn't they were screwed. Their only chance at upward mobility was somehow marrying upward. That's ignoring the order in society which was ruled by nobility in early modernity (pre 1800's) and later by powerful merchants. The common pleb was working an agricultural shitjob, certainly they weren't artisans. The living conditions usually meant clamping multiple families into a single house. Sometimes they were housed under the roof of a boss they worked for.

If you compare modern standards to 19th century or even early 20th century I feel like we're much further as a society. Though it's mostly attributable due to increased efficiency of agricultural production (-> high urbanization in west), increased efficiency of processes and construction, improved transportation of products and increased efficiency in gathering resources.

Our technological ability will keep improving especially in the data age where journals and knowledge is so accessible compared to the past. Sure the capitalist system is sick, but almost any sick system can survive when there has been a constant stream of improvements to life from the technological side. It's certainly keeping people comfortable.

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>“We will no longer grant exemptions,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in announcing that current sanctions waivers to the five nations would expire on May 2, clearing the way for American economic penalties against all companies or financial institutions that continue to take part in transactions linked to buying Iranian oil.

>By withdrawing from the 2015 Iran nuclear deal, and phasing in sanctions, the Trump administration has sought to cripple the Iranian government and weaken the power of its ruling clerics. Mr. Pompeo said Iran has earned about $50 billion annually from oil sales, accounting for as much as 40 percent of government revenues.

This is some serious shit. In 2017, trade between the EU and Iran was about 21 billion Euros. Iran is a huge trading partner with the EU. If the US is serious about this, this could have severe ramifications for US-EU relations. Not to mention the affects this could have on the global economy, as well as the horrific consequences that this will have for the Iranian people.

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>I knew an elderly couple from Iran who both just so happened to be communists whipped to death by the regime

Yeah dude my dad is the president of north Korea and he said he doesn't like them and hopes Trump will bomb them too



Whiter than you



Even if the anon is lying the purging of communists is a well documented fact m8



>geopolitics is like, a meme, maaaayne



US intervention won't stop the mass killing of communists.

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monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations

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How can a lefty exploit this to their advantage? Is it too soon to try? DOW down about 1000 points since Thursday.


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>but it won't probably be as bad as 2008.

what indicates this from that article?



What’s the landlord crisis.



when the mortgage on the value of the house (or as it's london, the flats) is greater than the market value of the house, the lending bank doesn't have adequate security for their loan. Raising systemic risk.

If this happens on a large scale it could cause a price shock as lenders don't want to lend now on an asset that is likely to fall in value, so no-one'll buy the house at a value high enough for the landlord to pay off the mortgage without the landlord having to find money from elsewhere.



No only this; >>2872151 but in short back in like 2013 landlords got load of mortgage deductions on their taxes which were lifted in 2016 but wasn't clocked by the industry. So now their incomes are drastically dropping and they will want to sell-off en-masse.


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>The rate of interest reaches its peak during crises, when money is borrowed at any cost to meet payments. Since a rise in interest implies a fall in the price of securities, this simultaneously offers a fine opportunity to people with available money-capital, to acquire at ridiculously low prices such interest-bearing securities as must, in the course of things, at least regain their average price as soon as the rate of interest falls again.[5]

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This time with a French OP. Can we get a cycling thread for as long as the crisis is ongoing?

Also as a Frenchman, I can probably answer any questions you guys might have.

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Oak trees are sacred to Slavic pagans and they will use this fire as an excuse to defile sacred Slavic forests.



Because they are literally not thicc enough. You need big massive fuck-off trees that were either natural ones that had stood for 100s of years, or were grown in specific forests for the purposes of large architecture and later ship building. The reason they don't exist anymore is that the need for them in architecture faded in the renaissance (as architecture moved towards geometrical support as opposed to pure mechanical support) and ship-making was moved to the Americas (the forrests beyond the King George line were in-part kept Native American because they wanted to stop settled farming the land because the wood was used for ship masts).


Oak is one of the strongest woods known to man, they might use redwood but that would still come from NA. So yeah, the trees are likely to come from North America, if it was Quebec it would be pretty fitting tbh.



b-but it's the protestors who are violent!



>"I'm tired of this," a clothing shop owner in the Marais

lol fucking die



tl dt: In protests this week, you had people saying stuff along the lines of: "cops don't kill yourselves, join us!" and then a few said "cops kill yourselves!"

Guess which one of the slogan the MSM reported on?

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Why has there not been a successful proto-communist state?

It seems there have been a lot of thinkers and movements in the past that could be somewhat considered leftist by today's standards throughout all of history. You had people like Pythagoras, Mazdak, Epictetus and Jesus back in ancient times. In feudal days peasant wars were quite common and strong, like the ones in England and Germany. Russian empire faced many of such rebellions (Pugachev's being the best remembered) up until serfdom was abolished. And of course you had pirates with their incredibly anarchistic way of life. Yet there never was a successful state out of any of this. Why? The humanistic core values of socialism and communism seem pretty compatible with any time period, so why is only after the industrial that we saw them go mainstream (well, more mainstream than before at least)?

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Has it ever occured to most people that, in terms of politics, even the oldest modern recognizably socialist writers and thinkers are basically hot off the presses? The earth is still reeling from the decision that maybe we shouldn't have single absolute monarchs in control of society.



>Yet there never was a successful state out of any of this. Why?

Byzantines did it.


Based Romans.



>feudalism is socialism if the lords give some food to the peasants


Unironically read Kropotkins Mutual Aid: a factor in evolution. Google “folkmote”


I think socialism is a consequence of technologies developed in the early modern era.

As a child, you are taught that the middle ages were ruled by kings and queens. The fact of the matter is the centralised state had very little control over its territory. Local warlords (aka knights) had more influence than kings and queens.

It was only with the development of communication and navigation technologies in the early modern era could the centralised state emerge with control over its territories. So rulers from far away could subjugate others. Prior to then, the only way your family could be subjugated is by your local warlord.

When early socialists like the Levellers and Diggers emerged, distant rulers had subjugated them. So in their mind, the structure of the state could be:

1. Subjugation to a distant ruler

Distant rulers had pushed their limits with the masses, so they were unpopular.

2. Subjugation to a local warlord

Unlike the middle ages, there were no local warlords. Distant rulers, using new technologies, had eliminated local warlords.

3. Subjugation to no ruler

…and thus socialism was born.

In the middle ages, the options were 2 and 3. So why did 3 never happen in the middle ages?

It comes back to the distant ruler eliminating all local warlords. Let's say you kill your local warlord. The neighbouring warlord then fills the power vacuum. The first time there are no warlords, or neighbouring warlords to fill the power vacuum, was when the centralised state developed the technologies to eliminate them.

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This is a repost. Hadn't given attention anymore to the thread, this time around I've put a throwaway gmail-account in there. Here it is again:

Hi /leftypol/,

I write for a student paper of a university in The Netherlands and I wanted to interview some people about this platform, its history, its content, how it has influenced the 'internet-left', the people that visit it and also how you yourself found out about /leftypol/.

Throwaway Gmail-account: leftyquestions@gmail.com

Please send me in your mail (except if you want to keep certain things private, I'd understand):

- First name/alias/nickname

- Gender

- Occupation

- Ideology

- How you came to know this site

Just some basic information so I know what kind of questions I can ask. Of course bc of privacy reasons I fully understand if you want to keep certain things hidden/if you also use a throwaway acc.

Thank you very much in advance!

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Expected to get something like this. I wouldn't know how I could prove I'm not FBi but I'm not.


Dude, it's just a really small student paper and I'm writing a small article for it (1000-1500 words). It couldn't even be called a 'study'.


I will not publish any information about you if you don't want me to. You can just send an alias and how you came to know the site.


Alt right groups hate you all the same FBI, but they are way more likely to smoke your kids since not all FBI agents are white. Why don't you do something about them?


dacht het niet vriend


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Here proof that I'm not an FBI-agent

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Today marks the 149th birthday of the greatest revolutionary and marxist theoretician of the 20th century. Say something nice about him.


Made the NEP.


managed to control the Bolshevik party and navigate ideological disputes without bloody purges and show trials



Without him their would be no USSR. Without the USSR humanity would’ve never gone to space.


Based and redpilled


My hero.

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Are single issue parties ever worth voting for? Are they worth joining to influence their policy on other areas?


>is voting for anything worth it?

No. Shit thread.


>Are single issue parties ever worth voting for?


>Are they worth joining to influence their policy on other areas?

Possibly. Depends on how big they are.


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Since I couldn't find the Cockshott thread I am now creating a new thread to discuss direct-democracy, cybernetic planning and various assorted socialist ideas for the 21st century.

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Somehow, I imagine him still using a CRT and floppy disks.



>Let’s say in the future that all the rare earth minerals are used up and thus there are no computers in which to organize the economy. Does the socialist calculation debate thus prove that without computers a planned socialist economy is not feasiable

if there's no more computers, the porkies won't be able to use them either, leading to a drastic decrease in efficiency of capital as well. It would be back to Stalin-era USSR vs Great Depression USA. The calculation debate would be moot.



someone explain the joke..?



I don't know myself, bumping to get answers.


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So what's happening to Cockshott's new site? He commented it got hacked.

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"Capitalism is brutal, you know. I'm a Marxist." - Jimmy Dore

Nu The World According To Jimmy episode, fuckers

>Corporate Debt Crisis & Presidential Wars with Jimmy Dore


>Producer Brigida Santos and Jimmy discuss the looming corporate debt crisis. Constitutional Lawyer Bruce Fein talks about ending wars started by presidents without congressional approval.

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Say it with me.

Liberals get the bullet first.


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AOC won't come back on my show. People are afraid of this show. Only real rebels come on this show like Tulsi Gabbard. We don't have any of the fake motherfuckers [like AOC]. It's sad to see. [She's] in bed with the establishment. It just goes to show you, don't get too close to your heroes because they'll always let you down.



anyone have full body pics of steph?



Find a clip from a live show. They're all up on stage



jimmy gets to titfuck stef every night…hawt dam. mamy gib milkies

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I live in finland, joensuu (utra to be specific) where can i find and buy leftist books?



The internet!

Although, who knows if there are any Finns here beside you. After all there are only 20 people in Finland, and 5 tourists from Russia or Sweden.

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Are modern political parties run like NGOS?

I've been thinking about this a lot, to me, even left parties are run like NGOS, with a focus on selling the product to people rather than true democratic movements.

There's also the division of labour between the volunteers and the people earning very high salaries.


Correct, the structure of a party (the way it is organized) is important for its integrity. This is why a party like Labour (despite its flaws) is different from, say, the DNC or the SPD.



But labour is still highly NGO-ized and undemocratic though. The "lower" spheres such as local branches and constituencies, take orders from the MPS and national.

Issues like open selection of MPS, which means that it would be mandatory for MPs to be confirmed by a vote each time by there local parties, are highly popular with the so-called grassroots, but so far have failed to become policy.



Like I said, Labour isn't perfect and still suffers from "NGO-ization" but it has actual potential and has managed to drop the Third Way, while the leadership of most European social democratic parties are still compromised.



what's the third way and how does it relate to internal democracy in the party?

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I partook in the general shitting up of the Cockshott thread (sorry about that). Let's discuss it here instead. Who is most materialist, the gender crits or the genderists? Is Cockshott right? What about the CPGB-ML?

Lets keep that shit contained, and try to be nice to eachother. A trans comrade is a comrade even if there is disagreement.

Food for discussion: detransitionist chicks talk about their experiences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxVmSGTgNxI&t=995s

VOL EDIT: From now on this is the only thread where trans discourse is allowed. Report other threads which bring up the topic.

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Is the anfem flag retarde new or is it just another swedish socdem incel persona?



Should we just kill all trans people like Hitler did with the jooz




back to the trash thread you degenerate



You can't fathom how a word means something different than what it literally says? Better get checked for autism. Could help explain why you never get laid. Don't worry, there's therapy for it. Things will get better!


>are only physiologically capable of being aroused by alpha chads

Interesting take but it isn't that bad. Women aren't physiologically incapable of being aroused by femboys, they just prefer chads. Also they end up hooking up with them because they're more assertive.

They do hate themselves for getting involved with shitbags though. 100% true.




back to /pol/

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