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File: 37a7b0b8ff27c96⋯.jpeg (36.26 KB, 620x388, 155:97, 5CA37643-93D2-414D-A822-E….jpeg)

 No.2940297[Reply]

Hello, I’m a burger, I’ve been living with my parents for sometime now and I’ve been searching for work for sometime since October of last year when I got layed off of my mortgage processing job that I was at for about 2 and a half years at best.

My parents are typical baby boomer FOX news watching republicans and they both came from lower class upbringings, mostly from the rural areas. My Father especially is anti-union, blaming them for his father not having enough money to feed him and his 9 brothers in mid-1940’s rural Arkansas.

Not to mention they keep on telling me to find a job even though I’ve been trying my hardest to find a decent job, but they don’t seem to understand the world has changed from the 1950’s-1970’s.

What can I do to make them understand my situation and to get this belief they have about The “Evils of Socialism” and thinking college kids are “Marxists” or is it simply too late for them and I shouldn’t even bother?

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 No.2941777

>>2941099

>Wasn’t the middle class smaller at the time though? I was considering class, which was why I mentioned their middle class status.

Yes. The labour struggles of the early 20th century prove that class is the decisive factor in whether one’s consciousness is progressive or reactionary. The great irony is that while these stupid boomers go on about muh bootstraps, their grandparents were getting into shootouts with the cops over the right to strike. It’s also ironic that the efforts of the early 20th century labour militants directly created the middle class which swiftly adopted a reactionary attitude to match its new position. Historical materialism in action really.


 No.2941813

>>2941099

>but they have the added detriment of Protestant work ethic mentality.

What does working hard have to do with political values?


 No.2941966

>>2941813

The so-called Protestant work ethic is really just a bourgeois consciousness that insists that if you’re poor it’s your fault.


 No.2941980

>>2941777

Critical support for neoliberals in their assault on the middle class.


 No.2942509

Just want to add, since I see part of the thread devolved around the “authoritarian personality”, that this is very real - and relates to class based child rearing techniques. I also disagree with the Freudian interpretation, but a good anti-Freudian author on the subject is Alice Miller if any are interested.




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 No.2941781[Reply]

So, it has always struck me how you guys in the Douchebag Left claim to hate identity politics so much while selectively engaging on it.

Apparently, there are barriers in your comedy, while you think that there is no problem in fighting racism, you are not so keen on about fighting other forms of systemic oppresion, because it is not so socially accepted to do so, hell! Even boomer neocons think that being a transphobe or a racist now is a bad thing, reason why they love bootlicking people like Blaire White so much, as a matter of fact, despite her being a neocon, Blaire has, funnily enough, spoken against ableism.

As a real activist and not a slacktivist I have debated this extensively, both in real life and online, fighting the good fight, here are some points I want to debunk.

>I shouldn't have to adopt my language to please you

Ok. let's suppose we are talking about any other form of systemic oppresion. Do you use homophobic/racist remarks in a daily basis? Do you enjoy rape jokes? Do you sing out loud Moonman rap songs out loud?

>You are less useful for the revolution

Let's suppose for the shake of argument you are right. Doesn't life have inherent worth to you? Should we kill the elderly? Should we kill petty criminals? Should we kill NEETs? Should we kill endangered species?

>Black people and gay people were oppressed

So are we to this day.

As I speak there are still people mental illnesses or Down Syndrome forced to work 12 hours a day in SOUTH Korea private almshouses.

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 No.2942451

Lmao I can't tell if this nigga is having a meltdown or is trolling. Kinda feels like an Aiden op


 No.2942493

>>2942435

No response to what ethics you want aside from boilerplate communist manifesto ethics. Also your ideas on value are wack, there is no essential value to human life because nothing has essential value. Read Baudrillard.


 No.2942498

OP you seem to have missed the memo as to why many of us on the left hate SJWs. It's quite simple really: Your self righteous holier-than thou attitude and constant self back patting is detrimental to any legitimate liberal cause. It instantly turns anyone right of center off as they immediately view you as being a judgemental twat, and thus anything you have to say, regardless of validity, is lost. It's like starting a debate off by saying "BTW everyone in the audience who disagrees with me is literally Hitler."


 No.2942500

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>>2942498

>liberal cause

Did you mean something else here?


 No.2942504

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>>2942498

>It instantly turns anyone right of center off

Those people are no better than animals, their only remedy is death, the problem is it rightly offends everyone on the left who isn't in the right group or isn't completely self hating.




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 No.2942246[Reply]

Barricades & tear gas: 150+ arrested amid Bastille Day celebrations (PHOTO, VIDEO)

Riot police and anti-government protesters faced off during Bastille Day celebrations in Paris. Dozens of people were arrested, with calls for president Emmanuel Macron to resign again being chanted out loud.

https://www.rt.com/news/464155-paris-unrest-bastille-day/

Italian arrests linked to neo-fascists after stash of weapons uncovered

Police in northern Italy have detained three men, including one linked to a neo-fascist Italian political party, after uncovering a huge stash of automatic weapons, material featuring Nazi symbols, and a three-metre missile.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/15/ex-candidate-for-italian-neo-fascists-arrested-over-weapons-cache

Jacob Zuma relishes his day in court as Cyril Ramaphosa faces ‘very dark hour’

Jacob Zuma, South Africa’s former president, will make an unprecedented appearance before a judicial inquiry for a five-day grilling this week over corruption allegations relating to his years in power.'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/14/jacob-zuma-relishing-day-court-cyril-ramaphosa-dark-hour

Ukrainian TV station hit by rocket-propelled grenade ahead of broadcast of Putin documentary

An unidentified assailant has fired a rocket-propelled grenade at a Ukrainian television station in the capital of Kiev. The target was the Ukraine 112 television station, a network considered by some to be pro-Russian.

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 No.2942357

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>>2942335

>actual arguments

kek


 No.2942362

File: 68deeb2ca1782f6⋯.jpg (7.56 KB, 215x215, 1:1, IMG_20190715_061249.jpg)

thanks news anon


 No.2942364

>>2942326

They're so opaque the CPC themselves don't know how it works


 No.2942367

File: 218adac4a52114a⋯.jpg (51.51 KB, 768x432, 16:9, image.jpg)

>>2942364

69d chess


 No.2942456

>>2942339

What the fuck. I expected comfy not american psyhco fantasies.

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1824697

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1824715




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 No.2942208[Reply]

It's Wally B's birthday today, say something nice about him.

The greatest philosopher that the left forgot, one of the great leftist critics of culture and dialectical materialism, at this point mostly read by art historians and media studies people.

I'll be dumping pdfs of his work and by others on his work. I increasingly think he's the thinker we need the most these days, and I urge everyone to read him.

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 No.2942346

File: 750bb6da71de5f8⋯.pdf (59.62 KB, Walter_Benjamin_Capitalism….pdf)

Really enjoyed his "Capitalism as Religion" essay.

>>2942276

>Benjamin's most lasting contribution to philosophy was his secularization of Aura, no doubt.

Retarded take.


 No.2942351

>>2942346

>Retarded take

I say that just based on most academic articles you see about him. He's been appropriated by art theorists while largely forgotten by historians and most leftists, who to this day still seem to side with Adorno on the culture debate. I'm not saying he's totally forgotten or has had no impact, but it's what's most readily associated with him despite it being only a small piece of his larger philosophy.


 No.2942407

Bump


 No.2942422

No love for Benji I guess


 No.2942433

Art in the Age of Technological Reproducibility was an excellent essay. Berger has a great documentary on it.

https://youtu.be/Xdw3xRrBmlc




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 No.2926941[Reply]

Dearest Anons,

We all need to read more. I've seen our posts, and our understanding of theory could stand to improve significantly. So let us read together and improve our discourse.

This thread will contain a weekly reading club. Each Thursday we will start a new text. The first few weeks we will cover some Marx, Engels, and Lenin. After we lay the foundation, we will move onto other significant figures from the Marxist tradition. Initially the format will be dictatorial, meaning I will just tell everyone what we will read each week, but I hope to eventually cultivate a cadre of regular quality contributors who can start doing some Democratic Centralism LARP and voting on what texts to pick.

If you are some anon seeing this thread in the distant future and we are still active (Inshallah), feel free to jump right in to the current week of reading. If you are one of the handful of well read posters that still inhabit the board, your participation and leadership by example would be greatly appreciated.

My hope is that we can intersperse leftist theory with the canon of Western political philosophy (figures like Plato, Aristotle, Hobbes, Locke, Burke, Rawls, etc) as well as meme authors like Stirner and Dugin. I'd also like to eventually circle back and cover Kant, Hegel, and Feuerbach so we can understand the philosophy that Marx built upon and the ideas he was responding to. Covering this wide array of texts will allow us to come away with not only a better understanding of the path forward, but will also enable us to give a deep critique of a wide array of political thinkers.

How this is going to go down

>pdf gets posted each Thursday for the following week

>read and make at least one effort post about the text before the following Thursday

>include in your post excerpts from the text (screenshots) that you think are significant and explain your hot take on them

>respond to other anon's posts

>relate concepts and arguments from the text to the current year

>if you are totally lost and don't understand shPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.2937505

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>>2926941

>Dearest Anons,

>We all need to read more.

No, u!


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 No.2938482

I'm currently reading Strike War written by Thakin Po Hla Gyi in 1938. Po Hla Gyi was a Burmese oil worker and the pamphlet was written during a period of strike

You can read it here:

https://www.academia.edu/6565095/The_Strike_War_1938_by_Thakin_Po_Hla_Gyi

I would like to ask..how does this paragraph relate to Marxist theory:

"The workers’ share must be taken from that 80 million kyat. The value of commodities is determined according to the time worked for their production. In the labour time that must be worked in order to get 80 million kyat, calculating how much time must be worked for the capitalists’ profit and how much work time must be worked for the workers’ wages, the workers’ share is calculated at only one sixteenth. If we divide according to time, in the eight hours per day that the workers work they work only half an hour for themselves. The remaining seven and a half hours is forced work time for the capitalists to be able to extort profit. One worker gets an average of one kyat per day. Therefore, if one worker produces commodities valued at 16 kyat, he or she gets one kyat as his or her wage. The worker must produce 15 kyat for the profit of the capitalist BOC"


 No.2942387

I've restarted this thread here: >>>/marxism/917/

It includes summary / background. I'll start a new thread next week.

>>2938482

>I would like to ask..how does this paragraph relate to Marxist theory:

According to Marxist theory, exploitation exists due to the difference between wages paid to workers and the net surplus produced. So, if those workers only received 1/16 of the net surplus produced, then 15/16 (or 94%) of their labor is being appropriated from them by the capitalist. By comparison, in a country like Britain (I think maybe in the 80s or 90s) the rate of exploitation was about 50%.


 No.2942388

>>2942387

Oops, fixed link: >>>/marxism/917




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 No.2937843[Reply]

It's 2019, will this ever be solved? Are we really going to celebrate a century of sectarian inter leftist violence

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 No.2942301

>>2942224

>Only from that position can you safely set about building socialism, otherwise regardless of whether you have the means to at your disposal, you have not the ability as you would disarm yourself while the wolf of capital is still growling at your door.

So what do you suggest? The soviet union just lie down and wait? Because the revolution in the west *didn't come*, it was thoroughly defeated, and the capitalist crisis had temporarily ended, the only logical thing to do is to start strengthening the homeland of the dotp


 No.2942304

>>2942299

>the argument was Trotsky was screeching "guys we can't do anything until there is a revolution in the western europe! We need to invade or do other adventurist bullshit now!"

lol no it wasn't, imagine lying/making shit up because you've never read a word by trotsky in your life like this


 No.2942309

>sectarianism

>bad

The fact that the far left is a giant shitstorm of constant bickering is a badge of honor. It means the discussion of ideas and praxis matters to us. Even our biggest dipshits are at least man enough to express views and open themselves to criticism.

In comparison the right wing is so cohesive because, aside from the occasional Ebola-type autistic sociopath, most of them have no actual ideological views. They're disenfranchised normies being manipulated by petty-bourg narcissists driven solely by fear and ego.


 No.2942331

>>2942309

>In comparison the right wing is so cohesive

Not so much anymore tbh


 No.2942345

>>2942301

I would recommend reading the platform of the join opposition, in particular the section on the international situation

https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1927/opposition/ch09.htm

and the section on clarifying disagreements

https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1927/opposition/ch11.htm

Then just as a kicker reading the transcript of Stalin's speech at the 1927 party congress where he addresses the platform as a result of which the members of the opposition were expelled from the party as their platform was deemed incompatible with party membership. Starting at section 3.2 here

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1927/12/02.htm




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 No.2937083[Reply]

>be americuck

>invest billions in self driving car meme

>soyboy face everytime someone talks about disrupting the driving industry

>not realize that spending this money in shitty public transport would be more efficient

What's the point of this self driving meme? It's not like lyft or uber drivers arent cheap as shit already.

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 No.2941140

>>2937083

I dont know, its the most retarded thing ever, and I like cars to the commodity fetishist jay leno tier, but seriously, like nigger, just take the bus, but nobody wants to topple the fucking horseshit industry that is automobiles, even though people who work on diesel electric trains make way more money, never face the layoffs car companies that "keep people employed" constantly do and dont exist to simply fuck over consumers, rail shipping costs and public transportation costs go down even during a market monopoly but tell any of these fucking idiots without them short circuting and going on about "but muh jobs" while every month the auto industry is busy firing people cutting their pay and stealing their pensions


 No.2941141

>>2941087

>self-driving planes.

nigger, auto pilot has existed forever


 No.2941145

>>2941128

yeah, population density is low enough they can actually drive a car without it taking half their day, so they should just drive


 No.2941797

>>2941128

You do realize that trains got started in middle america.

>>2941128

>or wouldn't have enough demand to offset the cost

>hurrdurr no one lives in the midwest

fuck off costfag


 No.2942307

I travel regularly for my job (tradesman so I don't work in any one spot longer than a year) and often I find myself going to warehouses in the middle of nowhere so public transportation isn't really an option for me.

No matter where I live in my city I could be traveling up to an hour for work so I'd rather just be able to sleep through it and get more time in my day. Sad to say most people would probably just be forced to answer emails and shit.




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 No.2942275[Reply]

ITT we shamelessly plug effort posts that were made by ourselves or by our comrades on leftypol. Why, you ask? Because we have 1 trillion victims of communism threads around and not a single poster or lurker is capable of or interested in following all of them at the same time, so there's a high chance that good posts, analyses, debates, graphs, OCs, etc. are missed by the community. It is an error of the highest degree to leave productive, creative, inventive, and/or general deep posts to be left unresponded to. This thread aims at fixing this problem. We must have a thread that highlights the best of the best, motivates people to interact with the best of the posts, and offer meta commentary of other threads, debates, and so on. In this sense you might consider this to be a /meta/ thread of sorts, but one with a very specific aim: separating the wheat from the chaff.

Please follow the following self-explanatory form. Please try to engage the linked posts in their original context (threads), and leave meta posts about the general goings of said threads.

TOPIC: SUDOKU TERRORIST IN USA

(Position: against:)

>>2940449

>>2940455

>>2940482

>>2940506

(Where "no platform" ends up:)

>>2940910

(Lenin vs. terrorism included:)

>>2941911

(Critique of terrorist's last message to his "comrades":)

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 No.2942279

File: 9957b36fdfe172f⋯.jpg (73.72 KB, 640x873, 640:873, Freud_with_Little_Hans.jpg)

TOPIC: PSYCHOANALYSIS

(Possible positions regarding the "scientificity" of psychoanalysis vs. psychology:)

>>2940058

(Typical critiques of psychoanalysis:)

>>2940073

(DSM and intersectional types:)

>>2940078

(wsws.org and its standards on the humanities:)

>>2940101

(Debunking bullshit takes much more effort than citing bullshit:)

>>2942258


 No.2942289

File: 6002c1ed3048161⋯.jpg (611.45 KB, 2722x1814, 1361:907, efOWbjB.jpg)

HIGHLIGHTS: THE COMING ECONOMIC CRISIS

>>2927973

(The actual state of people managing our economy:)

>>2928504

(EU and the coming crisis:)

>>2934669

(Predictions:)

>>2935984

(China and the previous and next crisis:)

>>2936273

(Economic AND environmental crisis:)

>>2938094

(Proles and the coming crisis:)

>>2938294

>>2938315


 No.2942292

>>2942289

Notice, future posters: when you TL;DR the best of a thread from SEVERAL posters, use "HIGHLIGHT:" instead of "TOPIC:"… The latter should be used to identify one effort poster.


 No.2942303

File: 3bfc6691de2b596⋯.png (686.15 KB, 750x775, 30:31, Lao.png)

Chinese Characteristics is the future

💦The💦Tankie💦Fears💦The💦Dengist💦

BOTTOM TEXT




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 No.2935485[Reply]

>The billionaire pedophile was reportedly arrested on Saturday night and will appear in New York court on Monday to be charged with sex trafficking, according to law enforcement.

>The arrest comes about 12 years after the 66-year-old financier essentially got a slap on the wrist for allegedly molesting dozens of underage girls in Florida.

>For more than a decade, Epstein’s alleged abuse of minors has been the subject of lawsuits brought by victims, investigations by local and federal authorities, and exposés in the press. But despite the attention cast on his alleged sex crimes, the hedge-funder has managed to avoid any meaningful jail time, let alone federal charges.

>The new charges allege that Epstein sexually exploited dozens of underage girls in a now-familiar scheme: paying them cash for "massages" and then molesting or sexually abusing them in his Upper East Side mansion or his palatial residence in Palm Beach. Several employees and associates allegedly recruited the girls for Epstein's abuse, and some victims eventually became recruiters themselves, according to law enforcment. The girls were as young as 14, and Epstein knew they were underage, according to police.

This must be putting a terrible strain on poor Jeff's heart, what are the chances of it giving out over the coming months?

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 No.2939775

Kit Laybourne who worked for Nickelodeon, and Geraldine Laybourne who created Nickelodeon and later became president of Disney are both listed on the Jeffrey Epstein flight logs.

https://twitter.com/SavingAmerica4U/status/1148595745345482752

Reminds me of Dan Schneider.


 No.2940127

>>2938612

>>2938701

None of you retards have ever shown any evidence to prove your claims of teenagers being less mature. I also don't know why these morons try to pretend it's so much different when a teen bangs another teen. Anybody who has what it takes to give consent at all can give it to whatever age group they fucking well please. Oh wait I akshully do know why they do this. It's because they're jealous roasties lobbying against their competition.


 No.2940136

>>2940127

>None of you retards have ever shown any evidence to prove your claims of teenagers being less mature.

The evidence is your post


 No.2940162

>>2940136

>imageboard posts disagreeing with me are evidence that I'm right

>studies disproving my bullshit hysteria are not only not evidence that I'm wrong, they must be suppressed by order of Congress

Gas yourself.


 No.2942302

Epstein's Island 2 Miles Away From CIA LSD Dolphin Sex Cove

https://twitter.com/MMabeuf/status/1150843045857976320




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 No.2940366[Reply]

So assume anarchism takes over the world overnight, there are still multiple entities that require borders, or at least some regulated containment force in order to prevent from spilling out from control, namely:

>Organized crime

Self-explanatory, and I don't mean 'breaking the law' in general but active participants that profit from rape, murder, the black-market (I mean, assuming there would be an agreement to ban certain things like biological weapons, organ-selling, stolen personal items etc.) etc.

>Disease Outbreaks

When people get sick sometimes delirium can get ahead of proper protocol, especially when there isn't anything stopping infected people from running to the nearest uninfected city or village in the hopes of seeking a cure, therein spreading the outbreak further. Containment is likely to be rather brutal and not very voluntary

>Remaining Nationalists/Ethnic Strife

In the absence of the state or borders, unsettled scores could easily arise again, resulting in multiple groups attempting to assert themselves over their rivals through force etc. Essentially groups that supported anarchists taking down the state so they could have a freer hand to continue the conflicts of the past

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 No.2941747

>>2941692

What if people don't consent to checks and demand their freedom of movement


 No.2941888

>>2940417

Do you really think people wouldn't volunteer to go under cover and bust the human traffickers? I think it would be one of the most competitive jobs to get


 No.2941893

>>2941888

Why are they not doing it now?


 No.2941923

>>2941893

They are, do you think government agencies are struggling to find people willing to go to James bond type shit?


 No.2942253

Close the borders




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 No.2894359[Reply]

Can we get a laugh at /pol/fag thread going?

Picture is a reddit screencap because /pol/ is literally filled with redditfag.boomers now

Feel free to post anything that is unintentionally hilarious and by /pol/fags

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 No.2941772

File: 4010de652b03160⋯.jpg (61.48 KB, 732x960, 61:80, FB_IMG_1563188170258.jpg)

Why do porkies bet all their chips on morons like him?


 No.2941780

File: 0677cd1cd945dcd⋯.jpg (743.33 KB, 3016x3120, 29:30, 1563178784594.jpg)

Ancap content


 No.2941814

>>2929639

so it is cyclical then? because he is pretty cute.


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 No.2942245

>>2942241

Epic raid /b/ro

Include me in the screencap




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 No.2870192[Reply]

Since there's a lot of newfags here I decided it was time for another Marxism-Leninism discussion thread. Anarchists and leftcoms welcome but please try not to fling shit

Starting with some links for discussion

>poll from 2019 shows Stalin viewed positively by 50 percent of Russians today

https://www.rt.com/russia/456690-stalin-rating-historic-maximum/

>60% of Russians want communism back

https://web.archive.org/web/20140223044330/http://www.systemiccapital.com/60-percent-of-russians-want-communism-back/

>Gallup: Former Soviet Countries See More Harm From Breakup

>https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx

>76 percent of Soviet citizens voted for preservation of the USSR in 1991

https://sputniknews.com/infographics/20110313162959645/

>Growing Up Under Communism was the Happiest Time in My Life

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221064/Oppressive-grey-No-growing-communism-happiest-time-life.html

>More Fulfilling Relationships and Better Sex Under Socialism

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html

10s of Thousands of Russians Protesting Yeltins Government Adorned in Red Flags and HammPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.2939545

>>2939512

I didn't feel like I needed the source on a fast time-frame and didn't think my question was worthy of bumping (and still don't), it wasn't an insult.

thanks for the interview.


 No.2941953

I am pretty well pilled on Stalin, but there are still a few things about the early USSR which are often made out as "tankies BTFO" arguments by anarchists, and I would like to know more about them, so, can I get red pilled on the issues of:

1. Makhno. Heard he was a /pol/ Pot tier dipshit, but would like some more info on him.

2. Kronstad rebellion. I heard that they were pretty reactionary and deserved it, but again, would like more information.

3. Suppression of labour movements and syndicalists (no, this has nothing to do with my flag), which is always touted as the number one argument for why Leninists are evil statist authoritarians by anarchists

4. Bukharin. Know very little about him, apart from some posts on this board which say he was pretty nazbol


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>>2941953

> Makhno. Heard he was a /pol/ Pot tier dipshit, but would like some more info on him.

Here my friend

Basic summary; The Free State was originally White Russian and used the old serf system, Mahno had helped to free it with the Red Army, but as the system flew out of control he started doing the same shit and spurning the Bolsheviks, provoking conflict.

sources

https://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv/archives/oldsite/2005/Makhno-839.html

http://www.isreview.org/issues/53/makhno.shtml

http://www.marxist.com/who-was-makhno-and-what-did-he-stand-for.htm

https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/64wkgf/polemic_the_anarchokulak_bandits_of_russia_and/


 No.2942207

>>2941953

> Kronstad rebellion

Many members and initiators were literal czarists and other reactionary scum who essentially capitalized on anarchist unrest and used it to their advantage

https://www.icl-fi.org/print/english/esp/59/kronstadt.html


 No.2942226

>>2870192

Reported for homophobic slurs.




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 No.2924797[Reply]

Oh my God! He actually did! Gorby actually did it the USSR has collapsed! Comrades what the fuck is going on!!?? My dad hasnt come out from his room and isnt himself. Fucking Thatcher and Regan, I can imagine their frosty fake smiles now. Not to mention CNN! There is no fucking way that NATO would likewise dissolve, Berlin wall shenanigans and all! They would expand anyway. Mark my words! Solidarity with our comrades!

Here is the official speech: https://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/26/world/end-of-the-soviet-union-text-of-gorbachev-s-farewell-address.html

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 No.2930334

>>2930252

CPRF is schizophrenic and all other left parties are liberal shills, any party with a real socialist program is made illegal as "extremist".


 No.2930820

>>2930252

Yeltsin never outright called for the dissolution of the USSR at first, rather for reforming the country and making Gorbachev step down. lots of the votes for him were due to the instability of the 90s, when many people feared an outright collapse of the Russian into civil war - many of those voters were the same who voted for preserving the USSR in the 1991 referendum.

it's also worth mentioning the december referndum in 93 was definetly rigged, and as things didn't become better popularity for Yeltsin is basically nonexistent.

>Why don't they vote for socialist parties if they want socialism ?

they do? some don't vote because they think the current Russian state is the only viable option right now, and the lack of any real communist party for them to get behind, not to mention a general lack of spirit of enthusiasm for mass change. lots of pro-Soviet boomers and stuff vote for Putin.

also i already said voting doesn't mean shit since you can't achieve socialism through the constraints of the very system it wishes to tear down. revolution is, and has always been, the only way socialism has come about (excluding countries like the Baltics and Poland having communist parties come to power post-WWII with support from the USSR), and while there a lot of people who would be more than happy to revolt, the situation in Russia is not dire enough for outright revolution. not everyone is content and life isn't as good as, say the 1960s-70s, but it's not Tsar tier. some people do protest, or show open support for communism, but not everyone feels the need to storm the duma anytime soon (but with increasing populartity of the USSR and the way the world his neading in the coming decade, who knows?)


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 No.2941896

>>2924797

Haha, the Stalinists mocked us, but our proud federal republic has outlived them! We shall certainly live strong forever!


 No.2941909

RIP the dream. Love is over. Fuck this gay Earth. Rubber shoes no longer in motion.




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 No.2774743[Reply]

Does anyone knows did Soviet military hardware fared against nato hardware in the field?

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 No.2937292

Why did Libya, armed with Soviet weapons, loose against western armed Chad during Toyota war?


 No.2937303

>>2937292

Don't remember too much but here's the basic 2 reasons

1) French airforce (which outclassed the Libyan airforce essentially denied Libya air support and since Libya mainly used L-39s (rather than its MiGs) they suffered heavy losses.

2) Chad used essentially mobile anti-tank missile platforms by mounting MILAN ATGMs on Toyota trucks. The Libyans were used to fighting in more formal army vs army type wars and was ill prepared and inflexible against Chads guerrilla warfare making good use of flanking ambushes.

Non-automated Weapons are only as good as their weilders

A good summary can be found here, use google translate:

https://www.eg.ru/tech/484574/


 No.2941820

>>2935213

>A total of 2 Abrams and 1 Bradley broke down either before or during the parade

<Nobody says much more than a mention of it

>Armata prototype stalls because driver accidentally was on brake.

<everyone starts yelling about how its totally a shit tank and that the russkies are just bluffing and are stoopid.

Hypocrisy is always present in the modern world.


 No.2941828

>>2941820

Really makes you think doesn't it?




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 No.2886141[Reply]

We all know that railways are the socialist's mode of transportation but beside the "post your flags" and "post your soviet ww2 vehicles" threads I miss some good old train astethics.

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 No.2928416

>>2923713

Social Democracy always fails eventually


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anyone got info on soviet atomic trains?


 No.2933745

>>2887550

unironically this. trains make me think more of snowpiercer now.


 No.2937905

>>2887550

your proposition is trash but nice foot pic.


 No.2941816

tren




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