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File: 275269b4766c241⋯.png (31.99 KB, 217x158, 217:158, Untitled.png)

 No.2826458[Reply]

Are you ready? Will you attend? Do you think Zizek will be able to debate (I mean, Peterson is a snake and Zizek isn't renown for debating skills)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdtwgbHBTLs

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 No.2872657

>>2872583

I'm not sure but I won't dismiss Marx or anything. I am not well read on him frankly. But what little I do know doesn't seem to fall in line with my beliefs so much. What I believe about consciousness is important to me. The main problem I have with marxism, which could be a misinterpretation on my end, is that it seems like Marx pushes an Us vs Them idea the proletariat vs the bourgeoisie. I think this is really an extension of Good Vs Evil and I think the worst thing you can do with that kind of philosophy is absolve yourself of sin. The right philosophy to me is to recognize that you are the source of evil and that it is a universal trait of humankind. The source of evil is the ego which binds us to our body and identity. That doesn't mean ego is necessarily evil just that it is the cause of evil. The thing about ego though is that it is inescapable that's the human condition. I say my view on consciousness is important because I think the ego extends to your physical body. The "mind" is not really one cohesive whole it has parts to it there is an entire unconscious within it. I believe in a real sense the physical body is part of a shared unconscious (but I really would say it is a shared yet separate conscious) which is essentially God. I guess my main point is I won't accept a philosophy that doesn't accept the inherit evil within ego because it will only breed more evil. I don't know enough about marxism to say whether it is true or not.


 No.2872690

>>2872657

>Marx pushes an Us vs Them idea the proletariat vs the bourgeoisie. I think this is really an extension of Good Vs Evil

I can't really think of a time where Marx thinks of things in the categories of good/evil. The closest he comes to is the manifesto where he describes economic relations as "in a word" "oppressor and oppressed", but the oppressors being morally evil is tenuous (I think Marx would intensely disagree, as class oppression isn't individual and thus cannot be solved by individual abnegation), and the oppressed being morally good is obviously nonsense.

>and I think the worst thing you can do with that kind of philosophy is absolve yourself of sin.

I'm not even sure if Marx was a moral realist, I *think* he was, but only because he consistently uses the terms 'justification' and 'freedom', but it's possible that he thought morality itself was a reified distortion of aggregate desires or something, not really sure.

>Ego being the source of evil

Individual interests fundamentally have the potential to go against the aggregate interests for Marx at the very least, so that's something somewhat similar. I am a moral realist, but I don't see how ego as you define it can be the cause of Evil without being the cause of all Good, it seems like it should define both.

<I'm giving you this analysis from Hal Draper's Marx's Theory of Revolution so take it with as much salt as you see fit

Marx in his early communist years at least (like 1844) thought that the proletariat could become the revolutionary class meaning that its immediate interests (as a class-not as a group) represented the interests of society as a whole. This is similar to the proletariat being fundamentally 'good', however this statement says little about the individual members of the proletariat, which could pursue their own individual interests at the expense of the class interest and ultimately societies' interests.

Marx also hated the lumpen-proletariat (translated as including prostitutes and beggars, but every time I've seen the term so far it has meant violent crimPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.2872703

>>2872690

Thank you for the insight anon.

>but I don't see how ego as you define it can be the cause of Evil without being the cause of all Good

I would say that evil is contained within ego but good exists beyond ego.

>Anyway where did you get your philosophy from? Berkeley?

No I mostly got it from a bunch of different people/observations/experience. I am not as well read in philosophy as I would like to be. Looking into Berkeley though and at least his views on idealism seem similar to what I believe.


 No.2872869

File: 544d22b23fc21bb⋯.jpg (22.24 KB, 480x360, 4:3, hqdefault.jpg)

>Peter Joseph - Critique of Jordan B. Peterson (vs Slavoj Zizek: "Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7O_9708RmU

Peter defends Marxist theory and the Communist Manifesto and critiques Peterson's misunderstanding of it by dissecting his opening argument


 No.2872879

>>2872869

I always liked PJ but was always skeptical of the zeitgeist movements insistence on pushing away the label communist and it's lifestylist approach




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 No.2871253[Reply]

sorry to shill, but after the whole christchurch thing I thought 8ch was going to be shut down so i tried to make another chan/website focused on leftism. Well by now its apparent that isnt going to happen but im already finishing it up…

https://www.supremereality.us/home/thread?id=cybernetics-general

this is what i came up with. If you guys wanna drop by or give any feedback thats good.

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 No.2871761

>>2871757

Yes, that, what happened to it?

Are OP and the creator of that website the same people or what?


 No.2871783

File: a2ed388781174a4⋯.jpg (25.15 KB, 329x263, 329:263, you fucking nigger.jpg)

>>2871761

>leftist.site

>what happened to it?


 No.2871833

>>2871578

Codeigniter3, jquery, pure.css(lightweight bootstrap alternative).

>>2871744

thats because the sorting system to display the catalog uses date time, so in order to 'pin' the posts, i set their date to be future dated.

>>2871761

not aware of leftist.site, i only made this site. used to be a cockshott poster here in 2017-2018


 No.2871841

Mobile version pls


 No.2871870

>>2871841

>using an imageboard from a phone

>lol

jk yeah im working on a mobile version, possibly to be implemented as an app. ill keep you posted




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 No.2871767[Reply]

Hey fellow Minecraft autist on /leftypol/

If anyone is interested in playing, I'm hosting a political Minecraft server. You can choose your political ideology, including a variety of leftist ideologies. Join the revolution brodies.

This server is generally targeted at imageboard users and other groups of woke NEETs on the web.

If you're down, then feel free to jump on.

IP: 142.4.200.159:25593

Version: 1.13.2

Discord: https://discord.gg/AHB97NZ

Wiki: https://paradigm-political-factions.fandom.com

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 No.2871861

>>2871855

whatever you say lmao


 No.2871903

>>2871793

>Idk maybe the part about not ancknowledging property that is not yours.

Why wouldn't it be mine if I was an egoist?


 No.2871904

>>2871795

>Hierarchies are spooks. Property rights are spooks. Contracts are spooks. It's all spooks.

so? Egoists don't want to abolish spooks if it serves their interest


 No.2872043

>>2871789

please.. dont call me a rightist


 No.2872243

bump




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 No.2869201[Reply]

I am new to the left and have a vague understanding on orthodox Marxism.

But everything that happened after 1940 seems confused for me.

What exactly is Postmodernism and the Frankfurt school. How do they relate to each other?

And what is the role of Freud in this? Why do many self-described Marxists have such an interest in Freud, someone who doesn't seem to be based on material reality at all.

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 No.2871752

>>2871748

right-wingers are just as soulless as the hologram


 No.2871753

>>2871697

what is happening here


 No.2871755

>>2871753

communism


 No.2871764

>>2871751

Wolfgang Pohrt.


 No.2871790

>>2871753

Nietzsche with his oneitis and best friend who would eventually run off with her and cuck him lol




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 No.2871631[Reply]

Rather than racial affirmative action (favor blacks over whites over asians) or gender affirmative action (favor trans people over women over men) what we really need is an affirmative action based on class. When we see racial affirmative action at universities, hard-working Asian kids are turned away in favor of some middle class black kid.

What if the hiring quotas for a collective were based on the class background of an applicant? eg 80% of the people at a company have to have under $1000 in the bank, not own a car, be on food stamp, etc etc. It would provide for a much better workplace ethic if everyone's capital were determined together by the success of their collective.

Also abolish internships. Only rich kids can afford to be interns so companies that favor interns are really discriminating against middle / lower classes. Fuck trust funders, fuck kids will millionaire and billionaire parents, fuck the children of landlords and investors and attorneys and all the rest.

Basically if your family has money / connections you are completely disqualified from all kinds of universities, for government jobs, for most industries and trade schools, etc. You must disown yourself from your family and burn bridges with your class in order to participate in the new world order of proletarian forces.

This would also encourage Proletariat Population Growth because if you have enough kids to prevent yourself from really getting savings, buying property, paying off debt, etc working towards bourgeoisie status, all of your children will be raised as honest people and future Proletarian soldiers.

class warfare good

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 No.2871678

In brazil we have income afirmative action. But again, burger higher education model is wrong from the start.


 No.2871700

Look at all this liberalism trying to put a band aid on a gaping wound

>>>/liberalpol/


 No.2871782

This sounds like some good DotP praxis.


 No.2871815

>>2871631

Bandages on a cancer patients. Mods shouldn't have anchored it though


 No.2872799

>>2871631

Affirmative action is just controlled opposition




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 No.2865728[Reply]

So now that the revisionists are losing, how will they fight back the stalinization of the proles? More and more people, at least in Russia are seeing uncle Joe in a better light. Will they try to push the 100 gorillion narrative? Or hope this blows over? Quite frankly, I think this is more of a reaction to the failings of capitalism and the fact that Stalin is a prominent communist figure that people are more willing to see absolve him of revisionist crimes.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/16/record-70-per-cent-russians-approve-stalin/

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 No.2871359

>>2866475

>Nazis critiquing communism because innocents might die

"Hitler was a liberal" - Comrade Stephen Crowder


 No.2871363

File: 98c0b3c98f8dc34⋯.mp4 (1.41 MB, 490x360, 49:36, xd4MovLiolBO3IcV.mp4)


 No.2871492

Stalin killed 9000000000000000000000 gorillion innocent nazis and ate all their bread himself.


 No.2871558

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>>2871363

holy shit that's so fucking fitting


 No.2871726

>>2871363

perfect




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 No.2871656[Reply]

What did he do for North Vietnam?

Hes considered a great communist figure and i cant understand why?

 No.2871676

Easy, freed North Vietnam from French colonialism and kept the Americans at bay so Vietnam could eventually be reunited. Also figured out how to use peasants for communist struggle before Mao.


 No.2871774

>>2871656

Different from Mao, he is what I call a perfect blend of Western and Chinese mind, trained in both classical Chinese thought and French enlightenment. He was the first one who transferred socialism to the mass with an eastern shell (Chinese) but still keeping the integrity of western core. That's why there is no "Hoism" like "Maoism". It's just plain old M-Ls with eastern colour. His successor, Le Duan was even more Soviet-hardcore than any Chinese Marxists I could remember.


 No.2872147

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 No.2866015[Reply]

So i'm dropping some redpills on my boomer dad like the based zoomer that i am and i need some charts and graphs relatively easy to understand just by being glanced over i.e: the one showing that production and hourly compensation stopped following each other in the 70s. Please send me all you've got

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 No.2867139

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>>2866015

some of you zoomers are alright


 No.2867142

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>>2866019

>WOTWU!

It may have been fresh like 150 years ago but now it's just epic cringe. I hope nobody concludes a speech with this kind of thing.


 No.2867144

>>2867142

WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR CHAINS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH FUCK THE SYSTEEEEEM


 No.2867147

>>2867139

Fingers crossed we're still spry enough to participate in the revolution after global warming wars triggers our chance.


 No.2871650

https://zigforums.com/thread/2866015/right-politics/so-i-m-dropping-some-redpills-on-my-boomer-dad.html

So fucking weird, this thread is copied there with bots pretending to take part in the discussion.




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 No.2854802[Reply]

Why has dating gotten so hard since leftism hit me? In my teens I had no problem dating, going to parties and meeting people, etc… But now? It's been like 8 years and while I've not been single the vast majority of the time, I've enjoyed the relationships less, had a harder time relating to people, stopped going to parties and shit… Is this leftism or is this growing up? Either way it sucks tbqh.

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 No.2871162

>>2870873

this is why incels will get the gulag


 No.2871574

File: 2c5ce430f720d92⋯.jpg (39.64 KB, 800x450, 16:9, 50503832_10210001023421788….jpg)

>>2870879

100% this. Even talking to conservative women I begin to lose respect for them. Even a liberal will leave you shaking your head.

You're not seeking people out. Ask yourself this. When was the last time you went out and put yourself in a social setting? When was the last time you approached a woman for conversation. If the answers to these questions are long ago then you know why you haven't found love. You are simply not making an effort.

I suggest either coming to terms that you are not as desperate as you make yourself seem since you have managed to not have a gf for this long or maybe you are lazy.

Another tip for you:

Don't treat women like a game they are people and deserve respect. You're not going to utter some phrase or wear some particular piece of clothing and get mad pussy. That's not how life works. You simply need to find someone with like minded interests.

First figure out your own interests. You're on this board so you're probably interested in communism. Now join a communist club. Now talk to the women at this club. I would wager you can probably talk about quite a lot with these women. Don't make this harder than it has to be alright.


 No.2871579

File: 0173997fe946f9e⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 427.2 KB, 3300x1840, 165:92, ray-the-rapist.jpg)

>>2871574

>victim blaming

go fuck yourself


 No.2871586

File: 6f5afbce52c428c⋯.jpg (20.85 KB, 598x331, 598:331, curb stomp.jpg)

>>2871579

if a woman with the looks of emma watson, was an insane fascist, that you knew had a 30% chance of killing you, but you knew was an insane laid, and into you, how many people in this very board would you think, would still stick their dick in her anyway? if the answer is more than 0 then this meme has no right to exist


 No.2871597

>>2871586

never stick your dick on crazy




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 No.2870884[Reply]

What do you get when you combine futurism & socialist art?

It's been a while since I've seen any kind of art threads so I'll dump what I have.

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 No.2871033

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 No.2871036

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 No.2871516

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>>2870940

>Stop gatekeeping

Here you go


 No.2871537

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 No.2871042[Reply]

 No.2871048

>calling every single thing a meme

okay


 No.2871407

why do you not post in the containment thread faggot




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 No.2871310[Reply]

Does anyone else use Indeed for job searches ?

Why is Saudi Arabia allowed to post jobs there ? You can not go to Saudi Arabia and work if you are a homosexual or a woman you will most likely be murdered.

 No.2871317

because greatest allies


 No.2871350

File: 08201740fe48355⋯.jpg (122.62 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, 9359a0c54e15f05a94c936a6f9….jpg)

>You can not go to Saudi Arabia and work if you are a homosexual or a woman

lmaoing at you if you believe this lol. those rules only apply to peasants and the not elite portion of the population.

some of the elites (which are the princes, royal families and western workers) are well known to commit adultery, theft, murder, sodomy, drink alcohol, drugs, etc without getting into any problem while there are people who get stoned to death for fucking their fiancee.

there are also certain ethnicities and tribes that are stateless in their own country because they are "lesser" than the others and almost in every elite house there are foreigner economic slaves that get treated like property like all those videos you see online of maids getting beaten.

btw anyone who dares to expose them gets khashoggi'd. there was a case not so far ago where a Saudi dissident got murdered on us soil with full us knowledge without any problem.

t. arab (not s*udi)




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 No.2869642[Reply]

This is a general thread for all ex-Peterson fans coming to this board in wake of the debate. Oldfags, try to give newfags helpful introductory material, without sending 500 pg .pdf files. This thread is for newfags to gain a basic grip on leftist ideas.

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 No.2870472

>>2869879

Who did you vote for last election?


 No.2870498

>This is a general thread for all ex-Peterson fans coming to this board in wake of the debate

What? 90% of peterson's work is none political


 No.2870502

>>2870498

>there exists anything which is outside of politics

spotted a lobster


 No.2870509

>>2870502

aha, lobsters don't do politics

OWNED LIBTRANDS FACTS LOGIC


 No.2871301




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 No.2871208[Reply]

Which of these groups are worth joining and why? I have no idea of the inner workings of any of these groups.

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 No.2871262

>>2871258

>American Individualist Complex

What a complex it is.


 No.2871274

>>2871268

The way you sperg out all over the place, it might actually be that you're just some sort of selfhating paki mongrel.

You'll never be white, deal with it


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 No.2871281

>>2871268

>shall be redeemed in the end via death.

I don't want redemption from you, I want to take this system to its very conclusion and complete what was started decades ago, whatever the cost. Not because its something I would "like" to do, but because it needs to be done. An absolute singleness of purpose, and nothing else.


 No.2871296

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>>2871284

>Yeah and what system do you speak of exactly? The original or those that happened after the French Revolution?

The one that began with the first groups of man, and the one we are currently in




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 No.2857836[Reply]

Can you leftists explain exactly how a classless society is maintained. Will there not be an intrinsic tendency towards hierarchy of some socioeconomic kind? How do you stop that?

Could this work in a multicultural society? Do you think all races have equal civil and cognitive abilities? Do you have to be an egalitarian to be a leftist in the sense that the races aren't different? How do you keep classes from forming along racial faultlines?

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 No.2870065

communism is end of history when class struggle ends, so it will happen naturally with time.


 No.2870067

>>2870053

There would not be a sacristy of resources for gangs to hoard in communism.

[spoiler] Plus everyone would be armed anyway.


 No.2870079

>>2870067

but what about muh toothbrush?

checkmate commie


 No.2871279

>>2857844

as long as the smartest black guy is smarter than the dumbest white guy, racism is hypocritical and should be abolished

class divides happen because ppl distance themselves from the ppl they are exploiting, by building large nansions far away from ghettos and factories for example

this would not be possible when there is no wealth extraction and the housing situation is controlled by the ppl

but yes, there still could be racism under socialism, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try, cause racism undre capitalism is 100 times worse


 No.2872116

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

>The abolition of classes means placing all citizens on an equal footing with regard to the means of production belonging to society as a whole. It means giving all citizens equal opportunities of working on the publicly-owned means of production, on the publicly-owned land, at the publicly-owned factories, and so forth.

>This explanation of socialism has been necessary to enlighten our learned liberal professor, Mr. Tugan, who may, if he tries hard, now grasp the fact that it is absurd to expect equality of strength and abilities in socialist society.

>In brief, when socialists speak of equality they always mean social equality, equality of social status, and not by any means the physical and mental equality of individuals.




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