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Syria General


The US is to formally recognise Israeli control over the legally-Syrian Golan Heights.


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Fucking bastards. I want Telaviv nuked once and for all.





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Why homosexual relationships was banned in USSR? Because of the reactionary Russian society maybe? To what extent were people really homophobic? Why there were no attempts to combat this ban?

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it was posted on /b/ as well.


homosexuality is fascist



this again.



>Even 200 years ago, the best philosophers. Marx, Eangles, and Lenin. Did not come from Academia.

philosophy is a different animal than the field of history m8

we've had a lot of different evidence come to light in the last 200 years, you also have to consider the massive shift in worldview of a brit in the late 18th century and now

you seem to be assuming every academic field operates exactly the same


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heterosexuality is liberal

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TLDR: Right wing fetishizes engineers because they have a practical skill to make more money for porky and THE LEFT CANT MEME.

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finance and management get the bullet first, before porky


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thank you master!


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The left can meme, just look at this imageboard! The problem is that "left" liberals get "offended" at memes and ostracize fellow leftists who do meme.


We have been a post-scarcity society for a long time. Read "The Conquest of Bread". We don't need engineers, we could have fully automated luxury communism right now with the correct reorganization of society.


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> Right wing fetishizes engineers because they have a practical skill to make more money for porky

Making more money from an engineering perspective.

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How did democracy work in the Soviet Union after Stalin? As far as I know, Stalin purged oppositing factions from the party, but what happened after? Specially after the "de-Stalinization"? Did Soviet democracy return to its former glory?



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Wasn't the Soviet parliament just a rubber stamp for decisions made in the politburo? It doesn't seem like there was much freedom in regards to selection of candidates.


Even if the claim that "There was no democracy in the Soviet union" was true there is literally the same or less amount of democracy in capitalist countries (depending on which country we're talking about) In the USA the last 3 presidents were, in order-selected by the Supreme Court, selected by the banking industry, selected by the electoral college. Voting in the USA is disenfranchised and gerrymandered to such a degree that it pretty much guarantees most congressional elections will be a foregone conclusion and even if there is massive voter turnout to counter this it's been proven that voting machines can be rigged to change your vote and so on. Even if you live in a slightly more democratic country the ruling class still decides what is and isn't possible. Look at how Brexit is being handled and the immediate corruption of the 5 Star Movement in Italy. Look at Syriza in Greece or Duterte in the Philippines giving into us imperialism despite winning partially because of his isolationist promises.

And what of Soviet nations that transitioned to capitalism in the late 20th century? Where is all the democracy in Russia or the Ukraine?

Democracy under capitalism is just as mythological as it supposedly was in the USSR.




sometimes even leftists forget that western countries operate as dictatorships of the bourgeoisie.



This. When it comes to soviet democracy, suddenly capitalists are armed with razor-sharp critiques of how it is lacking and rigged and a lot of power is entrenched and can't be dislodged through democratic means etc. but are completely unable to apply this same critique to capitalist democracy. Soviet democracy was lacking in the same way as capitalist democracy and I wish we'd stop falling for this idiotic idea that liberal democracy is more democratic.

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What are the top 5 most class cucked countries in the world in your opinion? By this I mean nations that are so blinded by Ideology that it's hard for you to not only imagine a Communist but even a moderate Social Democratic government ruling them at any point in the near future. I'll go first

1) the USA

2) Poland

3) Ukraine

4) Japan

5) South Korea

Also use this thread to discuss general class cuckery and also how to improve conditions in severely class cucked nations

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1) USA

2) finland

3) britain

4) south korea

5) japan


1) USA

Self explanatory

2) Sweden

Number 1 arms exporter per capita. The most violent, imperialist nation, but they don't send their own people overseas to do the dirty work, so normies think they are peaceful.

3) Switzerland

Notorious money launderer, people support their violent, evil regime because it gives them good jobs.

4) Singapore

I used to think Singapore rigs their elections, but after meeting Singaporeans, I'm not so sure I would call it rigged. The People's Action Party plays dirty and controls the media, but they actually do have the support of the masses in Singapore.

5) Australia

Just look at the reputation Australians have on the internet as right wing shitposters. This hasn't come out of a vacuum, their society is increasingly heading right wing.













Brazil by far. We're spreading our asses to the US and all the right-wing cucks not only accept it but want it



This. Brazil is the most classcucked country in South America

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Where were you when thousands of college-aged Marxists learned that their hero and Jordan Peterson agreed on 99% of everything

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Jordan is so vague in his words that he can agree with everyone, even mass murderers, cause he literally does agree with them when saying that they must believe in nihilism and that nihilism always leads to suicide or homicide and that nihilism is at fault and that they acted perfectly rational.

Jordan is never concise and noone can ever nail him down even when he obviously does push some agenda.

After all he is the ultimate self help guru, so he mastered the art of saying alot but saying nothing at all at the same time.


I just started watching the Peterson opening is very hard to get through. When he says he read the communist manifesto to prepare for the debate and then compares it to student papers he gave poor marks its so cringey I had to pause the video. Someone should have told him to either read kapital, or just stick to Zizek's work and I am saying this as someone who doesn't support communism or left wing ideologies in any meaningful way.



he sperged out at Frozen

he has always been an autistic cringelord



he's too stupid


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The dialectics of criticism.

When liberal comedians like John Oliver criticises some of the exceptionally horrid scams in capitalism, there isn't just people saying, oh we need to stop this, there are also people who are saying, oh that's how it works, that's how you make a quick buck.

And the same goes with the portrayal of Stalin and Mao where the focus is on purges rather then socialist planning that lead to drastic rise of live expectancy.

Zizek at least tries to make material analysis when he criticises 20th century communism, Peterson is basically just a (unwitting?) crypto-Stalinist that propagates a unbelievable brutal set of instructions, that probably has little historic validity.

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I have come to realize that some of the analysis Marx makes can be applied a bit wider

The quote that

>"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles."

is significantly less an accurate analysis of history than that of

>"Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks."

However, this applies not just to capital, but to general machinery and technology. The creation of technology both implies the creation of further technologies in competition and efficiency increases, and importantly, it also implies the consumption of human labor invested permanently in the creation of said technology. We can completely cut the bourgeois capitalist from capitalism and still have the necessity of machinery to reproduce itself at the expense of the human laborers. The design of capitalism can be made consistent with that of capital itself taking up the class against which the laborer works with the bourgeoisie (and in fact the other ruling classes as well) taking up an essentially parasitic role on the reproduction of technology.

We are, therefore, acting in the service of capital and technology to destroy the bourgeoisie regardless of our own role in it, because the bourgeoisie are acting as parasites slowing down the development of machinery. We are even now seeing that the reproduction of machinery is struggling against the will of the bourgeoisie to maintain the current economic system because they are aware that further mechanization of society is going to cause severe economic issues.

The ultimate result seems to be that humanity is going to invent itself out of existence and there really seems to be no way around this. The only other proposition seems to be that humanity must merge itself with machinery in a transhumanist resolution to the machine/human class war(?).

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Yes, I don't disagree, the point I'm making is that if we take historical materialism seriously, we're not looking at the development of human society, we're looking at the development of tools.



Oh, sure, I absolutely agree, but the point there if we start seriously looking at it is that humanity ends up forming the superstructure of this cycle and that the base of unliving machines do not actually need us as an absolute.



My dude, you are too caught up in looking solely at capitalism. That is not the point here. The point is to take a look at historical materialism in a long term sense.



Put another way, if you are looking solely at how capitalism operates, yes, what you are describing happens. However, if you look at human history as it is developed by its own usage of tools, capitalism is now just a stage of the continuous material base of machinery self-replicating through living beings.



I doubt accelerationists read Deleuze.

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Can anyone cite examples of specific influential billionaires, exploiting the workers of the world etc with sources?

I'm tryna get some dirt and its quite hard to find

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calls me a retard

>is an ancom


Rupert Murdoch is one, he funds a ton of nefarious shit like Tucker Carlson's show. You also have the Koch brothers, Bushes, Clintons, Trumps… probably even Soros since he at least funded the color revolutions. I guess you can also consider the Bilderberg meeting attendees.


The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation purports to be philanthropy, yet it manages to increase the Gates's wealth instead of giving it away (because it's actually an investment management firm used to find exploitable third world opportunities).


>exploitation as an immorality

>source in how people who make their income through parasitism are parasites




you don't need to post pictures of yourself.

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How would work a perfect socialist system ? let's create it!

I start with internet databases regarding distribution of goods and food, obviously everything runs on free software.

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Nationalize natural monopolies within a market system (mineral resources and heavy industry). Use the profits to pay pensions and run the state. Then pass legislation encouraging workplace democracy. Easy.



No one wants to talk about farming, transportation, technology, cars, ect.

I would know. I love talking about these things and no one gives a shit.



We've actually had entire threads on these things, you can just look in the archive and ctrl-F for any one of them. The problem is they always devolve into what you would expect. Literally try to bring up the topic of housing, you'll have an entire thread of people arguing circularly about what's more efficient.






DeLeon's Syndicalism with CyberSyn characteristics.

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Zizek vs Peterson stream

100% free come join the conversation


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they get 30 min each at the beginning, way too long


>History is to be viewed primarily as economic class struggle.

So what? That is 100% true and accurate. Btw, I had to stop watching that after just ten seconds because Lobsterman voice is simply unbearable. Can someone just drop a message when Slavoj starts speaking? I'm in for the lulz, ffs.


the audio is so bad there's this weird echo thing screw this i'm not wasting my time with this


will someone remake that dub of kermit vs oscar the grouch now with an actual piece from this debate roflolmao



This. I suppose you can try and to link the audio with the characters lips with some program.

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How long do you guys think we have before the world turns into a mad max hellscape? What will you guys do then? Will a socialist revolution still be necessary?

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Annon, we already have a fantasy tech powerful enough to do it, it’s just that Boomers don’t like it so they won’t agree to it.



we dont have it at a scale to where it's cheaper than what emitting the gas in the first place produced, and as such would have to basically degrowth in an insane way as to dedicate the majority of energy production to CC which would be the same net effect as just killing the planet and ourselves



>we dont have it at a scale to where it's cheaper than what emitting the gas in the first place produced

This can be fixed in five years max. The Earth can wait five years.


>and as such would have to basically degrowth

As long as this degrowth is just elimination of consumer BS, and increases in efficacy, things won’t be to bad.


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>The best way to deal with climate change is the stop overpopulation

I agree. The first world is far too overpopulated. We should eliminate it.



degrowth under control of the bourgeoisie is going to be absolutely brutal as they strip 'luxuries' for the commoners like refrigeration and central air conditioning while doing their best to keep their bunkers stocked. even under a DoP it'd be pretty shocking for a westerner, though i suppose any real QoL drops from material scarcity would be made up by the fulfillment of actually living for humanities future instead of being literal cattle for vampires

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Redpill me on this guy. What are his beliefs????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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The proper Hegelian position to take.









Stop trying to categorize everyone in strict ideological groups. Žižek is a Marxist, that’s all you need to know.



How is asking someone's beliefs putting them in a strict group? It's literally the opposite of that.

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A good defense i've heard of socialism would be that a lot of the horrors lived through previous socialist countries were personal decisions, the Great Purges, the Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward, Stalin's quick collectivization (which some may argue was required, either "capitalist powers would have crushed the USSR".) However, this argument is then followed by saying colonialism and tragic moments in history like that of the Congo Free State can only be attributed to capitalism.

How much horror can we attribute to capitalism? is it only the exploitation? was the Congo Free State or the hunting of Australian aboriginals a "product" of capitalism? could the same excuse of those events being personal decisions by leaders work here?


Capital is wholly at fault for every massacre and war of the past few centuries. Nations fight for it because it is their lifeblood. It causes competition between states just as it does between firms.

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In honor of Red Lobster™ vs Cocaine, feel free to ask any questions (in good faith) about what Zizek mentions, or socialist thought in general. Please read the FAQ first, as this answers the obvious questions.

Also, post any infographics and entry level images/memes that might help newcomers navigate the space. Please contain the autism. Short articles, explanations, etc are preferred as some might not be willing to read 10k pages upfront.

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On identity politics by a great and accessible philosopher, Mark Fisher:


Do note that we have a lot of retards on the board that don't understand the core anti-idpol stance of /leftypol/ (and socialism in general, viz. unironic nazbols) so you will read shitposters and nazis/ex-nazis post stupidity.


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pic related


i already asked this in the main thread but i think it's an important topic to discuss. zizek says that marx didn't understand social power. what exactly zizek means by this i can't quite recall but it was more apparent what he meant during the live watching of the debate with the prior context of the conversation.

either way, it's relevant to discuss whether or not marx had a good grasp on social power as related to non-economic factors.


Some of these are reports from the other thread but fuck it

Zizek on Political Correctness being Totalitarian



Michael Parenti on identity politics being a neoliberal con is a good one


More Michael Parenti on idpol


Michael Parenti on Globalism


Jimmy Dore on IdPol and Neoliberalism




Jimmy Dore on Marxism,





Why Cultural Marxism is Actually "Cultural" Capitalism

https://youtu.be/M-m_7G31yh4Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



The way I interpreted it is that Marx didn't have an analysis of the problems of governing socialism. The kind of stuff Cockshott tries to tackle basically.

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>La crisi consiste appunto nel fatto che il vecchio muore e il nuovo non può nascere: in questo interregno si verificano i fenomeni morbosi più svariati.

Quest'uomo era un genio e un profeta.

Intanto, un ben noto ruffiano, procuratore di mignotte (sia femmine che maschi) d'alto bordo, ha annunciato di voler acquistare la testata de "l'Unità". Al tempo stesso, per un miserabile scazzo di natura corporativa, la "professione" giornalistica italiana organizza flesc' mobbese per le strade. Cosa di cui non si sarebbe reso conto nessuno se gli oziosi telegiornali che ci fanno sorbire tutti i giorni non avessero dato ampio spazio alla cosa. Ovviamente ben più importante dei massacri a Gaza e nello Yemen.

Più fenomeni morbosi di così!

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Scusate i dieci milioni di anni d'assenza, ma ho avuto… diciamo problemi tecnici.

Più che altro non avevo un cazzo da dire…

No, ma adesso questi superfantastici del gotha politico e giornalistico italiano stanno cominciando a farsi venire attacchi isterici in serie perché

>muh Cina a Trieste!

Porco Dio se non vivrò abbastanza a lungo per vedere tutti questi cialtroni di merda fare una fine fra queste due:

1) spiattellati sotto i cingoli d'un carrarmato dell'Armata di Liberazione Popolare;

2) loro e i loro figli a fare da maggiordomi - letteralmente - al Signor Chang e alla Signora Ming.

Ah, comunque menzione d'onore ai pentastellati che non hanno cuckato sul Vuvuzela, alla faccia di Mattarellone, di Salveenee (Maduro, muh dittatore rosso) e di altro bestiario assortito che non perde mai un'occasione per dimostrare quanto siano leccapiedi e decerebrati.

Mannaggia la madonna, qua dopo il venticinque aprile ci si è andati fin troppo leggeri, altro che muh triangolo rosso, muh foibe.

Dimenticavo! Fenomenali i piddini che ora pensano di risolvere col fratello del Commissario Montalbano!



Porca troia, ci sei mancato qui.

La questione cinese è divertente perché tutti i politici che prendono soldi dagli usa (tipo la Meloni che di recente è andata ad omaggiare la convention repubblicana) hanno la bava alla bocca. E anche gli usa ci mettono del loro con delle "velate" minaccie.

Ancora più divertente la question della/del TAV, il vero partito unico in Italia.


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è tempo di socialismo con caratteristiche italo-cinesi


il PCI (quello di Losurdo) si presenta alle europee. Fate i bravi, mi raccomando.


E vabè, adesso le 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧difficoltà tecniche🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 durano mesi…

Ho una marea di arretrati da smaltire, anche se in tutto questo tempo non ho seguito niente riguardo l'attualità politica italiana.

Preferisco guardare filmati di treni e metropolitane giapponesi su YT. E poi sto svalvolato come non mai.

La più recente che ho captato comunque riguarda Giggino che finalmente alza la voce con Matteuzzo e gli dice che è telecomandato dal Berlusca… Spesso, in conversazioni private, ho pronosticato una rapida crisi di governo con elezioni anticipate lo stesso giorno delle europee. Ma ora è troppo tardi per questo. Poi c'è l'estate. E dopo l'estate si entra subito in clima da legge di bilancio. Insomma, l'opportunità per 'sto giochetto è andata. Chissà dunque cosa ci riserverà l'interminabile teatrino italiano nei prossimi due o tre mesi…

Ah, di sfuggita: BASED Totocutugno che viene dichiarato "minaccia per la sicurezza nazionale" dai nazisti in Ucraina (del resto, aveva cantato col coro dell'Armata Rossa) peraltro insieme ad Al Bano (e Romina? e la Lecciso?).

E BASED Jim Carrey. Altro che "Scemo e + Scemo"!

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