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FAQ and Rules

Backup boards:

https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/

http://www.getchan.net/

Other boards:

>>>/anarcho/

>>>/marx/

>>>/freedu/

>>>/leftyweebpol/

>>>/gnussr/

Groups:

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/leftypol

http://qchat.rizon.net/?channels=leftypol

Leftybooru:

http://lefty.booru.org/

/leftypol/'s magazine:

http://bunkermag.org/

FAQ:

>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

>I'm not a leftist can I post here?

/leftypol/ welcomes debate from non-leftists. Non-leftists frequently come here to ask questions and raise topics for debate. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up.

>Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Clinton? Are you all Zionists???

While there are a few liberals here, the majority of posters on /leftypol/ are radical left. They may still be socially liberal, but their economic stances are decidedly not liberal, and likely heavily opposed to the liberal order. As an extension of this, posters here are opposed to "SJWs," because they see them as economically liberal, and socially oppressive. We hate the Democrat party.

As for Israel, leftism is anti-Zionist. It is not anti-Jew. Unlike /pol/, /leftypol/ fully supports Palestinians, and doesn't think they're "mudslimes."

Pretending to be an SJW or Zionist will very likely get you banned.

>Why did you leave /pol/ and why does this board exist?

/leftypol/ exists to help the 8chan community focus on leftist topics without being slid or flooded to death.

>Do you support gun control?

While posters on /leftypol/ have varying stances on gun control (training requirements, mental health checks, etc.), they are overwhelmingly in favor of arming the proletariat, and are against banning guns. Famous leftist heroes such as Marx, Orwell, and Huey P. Newton were all pro-gun.

>Do you support "national" socialism?

No.

RULES:

Don't:

-spam

-post cuckshit, "commies BTFO," or any of that kind of shit

-post any porn depicting underage (including drawings)

-deny the problems of climate change or imperialism

-attempt to cloak reactionary politics in left-wing rhetoric (Strasserism, "Nazbol" Strasserism, National "Socialism," Zionism, "Die cis scum"/"Kill all white men" SJW shit)

-voice support for NATO intervention, or explicitly state that you support imperialism in any context

-incite specific acts of terrorism or similar acts (use your head, don't act like a fed)

Do:

-be respectful, ask questions, and know your place if you're a reactionary

-feel free to flame, shitpost, and be sectarian if you are a leftist (just keep it somewhat within reason)

mod action log:

https://8ch.net/log.php?board=leftypol

https://8ch.net/bans.html

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MODERATION FEEDBACK THREAD

Complain here, we're not obligated to care (but we most certainly do because we love you guys very much).

https://8ch.net/log.php?board=leftypol

https://8ch.net/bans.html

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/leftypol/ reading list

Official /leftypol/ reading list

In this thread, various members of the community have listed recommended literature regarding leftism, i.e. economics, political theory, philosophy and other subjects related to leftism. Some recommendations are for starters, or for those in advanced literature.

https://archive.is/L8uFD

/Leftypol/ has many ideologies, Marxist, Anarchist, Left-com, etc. so there is a variety of different literature with different viewpoints.

Reading literature is recommended, as it helps you understand leftism better and is much better than reading Wikipedia synopses.

Various assortment of historical and biographical works.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=uploader%3A%22kocotosi%40gmail.com%22&sort=-publicdate

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Chapo Trap House

https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-79-our-values-are-under-attack-feat-tim-heidecker-2617

So the past two free episodes have been pretty lukewarm tbh. The interview with Taibbi was ok but there were no big insights. Tim is not that interesting and as much as they shit on the Daily Show it seems to me they are falling it its routine.

>Trump is a dumb old man with holes in his brain

>Ha ha he is so fucking dumb and bumbling

>Ha, he has the brain of a child

Pretty tiring. What does /leftypol/ think?

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New left caucus in DemCops

https://dsarefoundation.org/

this looks really good to me

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>In September 1989 Soviet opposition leader Boris Yeltsin, just elected one of Moscow's 27 deputies to the People's Congress, was given an eight-day, eleven-city tour of the United States, delivering lectures on Soviet life and politics and in turn receiving insight into the subtleties of capitalism and American government.

>On September 16, day seven of the eight-day tour, Yeltsin and company stopped in Houston, Texas, ostensibly to see and tour NASA's Johnson Space Center. But mission control and the model space station did not impress him half as much as the place he went afterward - a Randall's grocery store.

>Between accepting free samplings of meats and cheeses Yeltsin walked the aisles of Randall's gawking in disbelief. Stefanie Asene of the Houston Chronicle reported Yeltsin went round stopping customers to ask what they were buying and how much it would cost. At one point Yeltsin asked the manager if a special education was needed to run such a store.

>Yeltsin aide Lev Sukinov writes, 'For a long time, on the flight home, he sat perfectly still, his head in his hand. After a long silence, he looked up at me and asked, 'What have we done to our poor people?''

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Identity politics isn’t the problem for Democrats. It’s the solution.

https://newrepublic.com/article/144964/culture-stupid-identity-politics-problem-democrats-solution

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So for the people who understand sexual theory more than I do (and I don't understand much of it), I have a question about consent I was thinking about.

Seduction and romance is based on the implicit , not the explicit, when you're trying to romance or seduce someone (or eachother) it's based entirely around implicit social cues and advances to eachother, often they are hard to read, girl places her hand on your hand, she pushes her hair behind her ear, she laughs at your bad jokes etc. But all of these could just be.. she's touching your hand because she's a touchy sort of person, she brush her hair behind her ear because her hair was getting in the way, she as a sense of humour as bad as you etc.

Eventually one of you makes a move, when staring into eachothers eyes, you or her move forward and try to initiate a kiss.

Now this is where consent breaks down for me, how is this not harassment in consent theory? Say I was only being friendly to this person and they suddenly kiss me, couldn't I reasonably take this as harassment?

The obvious solution to this question, is that, she (or I) asks consent, but the thing is… explicit isn't romantic, seductive, it's usually a way to quickly KILL any romance or seduction for most people. Couldn't also the fact you ask for consent… be seen as harassment? that you're pushing them to make a sexual decision they may not be comfortable with?

Zizek says in You May!

> there is no seduction which cannot at some point be construed as intrusion or harassment because there will always be a point when one has to expose oneself and ‘make a pass’. But, of course, seduction doesn’t involve incorrect harassment throughout. When you make a pass, you expose yourself to the Other (the potential partner), and her reaction will determine whether what you just did was harassment or a successful act of seduction. There is no way to tell in advance what the response will be.

I agree consent is a very important part of initiating sexual contact and needs to be reiterated throughout the relationship, but I just don't see how explicit consent mashes with the implicit in peoples courtship.

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How bad do you think the 2020s will be?

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Bernie sanders campaign gave me an idea,

Why don't we try to infiltrate big 'leftist' parties and run for leadership on populist manifestos that are broadly digestible demsoc/socdem garbage

1) if it wins we can go hard left full Marxist albeit unlikely

2) get a platform to spread class consciousness and expose contradictions within the bourgeois political elite

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Former Neo-Nazi Comes Out As Gay, Reveals Jewish Heritage

lel

https://youtu.be/kIhvZjwOb3k

https://archive.fo/khpQ6

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Youtube ID content system may become law in the EU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqkLStOLIY

I foolishly thought this type of idiotic laws would pass more easily in burgerland rather than here.

Honestly if this actually becomes law it would be pretty much the end of the chans. At least in Europe.

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Red Pill me on the Red Guard

Did they really kill 6 gorillion innocents? Torture and beat teachers? Burn libraries?

Did they really Send all the engineers and mathematicians to work in farming and mining at gunpoint?

Was the Cultural Revolution necessary?

>Among the most startling revelations in its 13,000 pages is the cannibalism it documents. Whipped into a fury by the chaos of the times, Red Guards – groups of youth dedicated to removing enemies through violent class struggle – and others feasted on the hearts, livers, penises and breasts of people deemed "class enemies." In total, 421 were eaten in at least 31 provincial counties, Prof. Song said.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/suppressed-records-revealed-50-years-after-chinas-cultural-revolution/article30028854/

I thought MLM was okay but I'm not sure if this is really for the greater good.

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Kirkuk/Iraq General

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/iraqi-forces-launch-major-kirkuk-operation-171015220651177.html

IT'S HAPPENING!

PPK also spotted amongst defenders.

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""socialist"": wow look at these killing caused by religion

Me: you mean islam

""Socialist"": all religions are bad

It's clear to me that this stance is based on an unconscious fear of being called out for criticizing islam only. By unfairly lumping Christianity into that, they gain the ability to seem objective.

Yet Christianity, with great socialist tendencies and a history of progressive politics with a Christian bent doesn't deserve to be put in the same category as pisslam.

Please stop this, thanks

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AUSTRIAN ELECTION

Today is the legislative election in Austria.

Today a 31 year old from ÖVP will win the election and will make a coalition with far right FPÖ.

People made a lot of fun of FPÖ for losing the meaningless presidential election in 2016, and now they will be in government with ÖVP as a coalition partner in the election that matters.

Party overview:

SPÖ - socdems

ÖVP - conservashits

FPÖ - you know em already

Greens - they're greens

NEOS - liberals

Pilz - Greens 2.0

There are no big left-wing parties.

Stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSEgWgzosrA

In about 4 hours and 30 minutes you can watch the results here:

https://wahl17.bmi.gv.at/

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APOLOGIZE

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Trump's Net Approval Rating Has Dropped Dramatically in Every State

EVERY

STATE

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Youtube ID content system may become law in the EU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqkLStOLIY

I foolishly thought this type of idiotic laws would pass more easily in burgerland rather than here.

Honestly if this actually becomes law it would be pretty much the end of the chans. At least in Europe.

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/r/T_D, /pol/, and /r/KIA user murders parents because they were "leftists"

This is your mind on /pol/,/the_donald/, and /KIA/.

https://www.goskagit.com/news/man-pleads-not-guilty-in-father-s-stabbing-death/article_479b3b6f-88d4-502d-ae77-ff5f098fb511.html

http://www.king5.com/news/local/community-mourns-loss-of-mr-samish-island/458685333

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Badmouse has Cucked Out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILY1FxnPDww

No more Badmouse for at least a year, if he doesn't just quit all together. Sad to see lefty YouTube with so little shit nowadays. Its basically entirely reactionary now.

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14 Words

We must destroy feminism to protect Marxist future for our socialist children from idpol.

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Question about halfchan and religion

So was 4/lit/ always predominately catholic or did the shift happen after New Atheist scientism made secularism unfashionable? What will be the general view of religion within chan cultures a decade from now and how will the growing resentment of Dawkins-brand atheism affect youtube sophists in the near future? American evangelicals and fundies were always an easy target for skeptics but it seems like the tide is beginning to shift.

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/leftytrash/

UPDATE: this is a voluntary containment thread. All of these topics are allowed to have their own thread, but anons are encouraged to sage and redirect to this thread if the thread is too trivial or unwarranted. However, duplicate threads on the same trash topic can still be bump locked.

Movies, anime, music, feels e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting

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Why do gommies reject the Great Man theory

And complain that Stalin ice picked Trotsky as if Trotsky was so special that the entire course of Soviet and world history would have been completely different if Trotsky was in charge isn't the difference basically akin to Obama and Trump as in cosmetic but not that significant

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/leftyk/ and /leftyprep/ General

Alright niggers, if you aren't coming to k then k is coming to you.

Guns and general prepping thread

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modern socialism

can we discuss Cockshott's methods of administration as put out in his book towards a new socialism? I would also like to discuss other contemporary communists and their theories/methods whether ideological or economic, so feel free to post them.

Despite organizational differences between ML's, decentralized socialists, anarchists, etc we must all consider that one of the key economic and technological developments of the 21st century was the boom in prevalence and use of electronic communications and media, it has quadrupled production in the capitalist world and it has removed many production discrepancies, because of this I think we all can agree that this same network of communication needs to be heavily used for societal administration as well. This network provides the following useful things for any real socialist organization:

-more accurate statistics of production and of demand

-alleviation of bureaucratic duty, as many functions are replaced by machine computing and at the same time constraining the bureaucrats, making it much more difficult to exploit the socialist system and making them far more replaceable

-politicization of the wider people as it would give them direct input to societal and economic administration, where they no longer have to be alienated by bourgeois electoral politics where you effectively vote for a reality star with no guarantee of him representing what he campaigned for. This also means possible implication of worker self-management.

-excellent application in central planning

-possibilities for direct democracy as Cockshott himself laid out, although I am skeptical of this

-direct and live co-operation with other places of industry by workers there, possibly removing the shitty tendency under worker's self management for the workers themselves to fall to nepotism, or where they lack the ability to see beyond the factory fence.

We should also consider the possibility of bringing about reforms under a parliamentary system if a party would get in power, which would install a more direct electronic democracy, in an attempt to make parliamentary politics obsolete while we are holding temporary monopoly over the new system. Neither Marx nor Lenin denied the importance of parliamentary democracy, even if the system is rigged against us.

Aside from Cockshott's theories we need to discuss some realities of socialist revolution;

-Despite Maoist-third worldists being retarded in most regards, there is truth in the fact that revolution is nigh impossible in the first world, or is becoming obsolete as we speak. The reason for this is that the productive forces of these countries is being closed down locally and exported abroad where labor is cheap, were the revolution to come in the USA for an example the proletarian would seize their staplers, printers, computers and stores, as they work largely in the service industry, and would easily be quarantined and starved to death or killed. They are also unlikely to rise up because the first world funds the welfare of it's citizens and it's society itself trough imperialism on lesser countries. This means that crisis is effectively delayed as long as they are successful in their subjugation.

-Revolutions in the second or third world, or more specifically in countries with 10M< citizens. These countries cannot effectively eliminate capitalism or implement socialism as they are not self-sustainable. It is why, for an example, Cuba has a market sector of up to 30% of it's economy, to do otherwise would be either to deny your citizens some extremely necessary resources/products or to fall to stagnation as you have no resources to keep up or build your own economy and watch it collapse. This is a very existential problem for me especially, since I come from one of these countries that do not have large industrial capacity, and it must be recognized that the majority of the world's countries are these countries.

So comrades, what is to be done? We need a contemporary plan.

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How do you argue against the classic ancap/libertarian position of "All of these bad things you mention about Capitalism is because of the government, take away government and the free market will fix everything"?

It's essentially their core argument for Capitalism and they use it at the drop of a hat. Is there any arguments or facts that conclusively disprove it?

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THE ACTUAL STATE OF THIRD POSITIONISM

Check this goy out if you are looking for a chuckle. He may be the single cringiest individual I have ever found on the internet. The best part is that he is extremely active online and will respond to anything you post within an hour.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL_mbrI3jLBKL1SIEnMFmwA/videos

These videos are particularly good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXaRJTxU7A0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1QQdJG_lsA&t=4s

Here's his Reddit. Don't ask me how I found it: https://www.reddit.com/user/grindmonkey

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ITT we post our favorite historic politicans

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Is Transnistria supposed to be communist?

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Stop bowing down to false idols

Reminder that if you have bought a Coca-Cola beverage, dined at McDonalds or own a computer that runs on Microsoft operating system, you have knowingly contributed to strengthening capitalist mode of production, when it's not absolutely essential for you to eat junk food or own a computer with Microsoft operating system. At least under feudalism, you had the option of not utilizing serfs but just your own family members for sustenance.

>that scene where Žižek drinks coke in Pervert's guide to Ideology

Literally a fucking product placement. Žižek literally was paid cold hard cash to promote a corporate product that is non-essential for survival in an anti-capitalist movie. Žižek is a businessman like Michael Moore who sees avenue in anti-capitalist movie and it's edgy audiences in order to get that sweet product placement money (which is also how most youtubers get paid since everyone uses adblockers and ad revenue is non-existant).

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/leftyburger/ thread

>mfw seeing trump's speech at the heritage foundation on TV

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So, do ancoms think that socialism is stateless?

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are the Chinese better at picking good world leaders?

>AMERICAN presidents have a habit of describing their Chinese counterparts in terms of awe. A fawning Richard Nixon said to Mao Zedong that the chairman’s writings had “changed the world”. To Jimmy Carter, Deng Xiaoping was a string of flattering adjectives: “smart, tough, intelligent, frank, courageous, personable, self-assured, friendly”. Bill Clinton described China’s then president, Jiang Zemin, as a “visionary” and “a man of extraordinary intellect”. Donald Trump is no less wowed. The Washington Post quotes him as saying that China’s current leader, Xi Jinping, is “probably the most powerful” China has had in a century.

t. the Economist

is this true? what does /leftypol/ think of Xi Jinping?

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Daily News Thread 10/17

Raqqa: IS 'capital' falls to Kurdish-Led forces

A US-backed alliance of Syrian fighters says it has taken full control of Raqqa, ending three years of rule in the city by so-called Islamic State.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41646802

Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill May Be Largest Since 2010 BP Disaster

An oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico last week may be the largest in the U.S. since the 2010 blowout at BP Plc’s Macondo well that sank the Deepwater Horizon rig.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-16/gulf-of-mexico-oil-spill-may-be-largest-since-2010-bp-disaster

Maltese journalist who led Panama Papers corruption investigation killed in car blast

One of Malta’s most prominent investigative journalists, Daphne Caruana Galizia, has been killed in a presumed car bomb attack. She was most recently known for exposing the Maltese prime minister's offshore dealings in the Panama Papers scandal.

https://www.rt.com/news/406916-malta-corruption-journalist-car-bomb/

Benjamin Netanyahu pushes to pass criminal immunity bill as he faces police investigations

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is pushing to pass a law that would make prime ministers immune from certain criminal investigations during their terms.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-prime-minister-criminal-immunity-bill-law-push-pass-criminal-a8004816.html

DEA, Congress complicit in US opioid epidemic - whistleblowers

The US Drug Enforcement Administration ‘shut off’ investigations into large distributors of addictive opioid pills, while a new law made it nearly impossible to prosecute them, the agency’s former employees said.

https://www.rt.com/usa/406900-whistleblowers-opioid-congress-dea/

Turkey spies betraying asylum seekers in German immigration offices

Officials working in Germany's immigration authorities pass on information about Turkish asylum seekers to the Ankara government, according to press reports. Turkish spies may have infiltrated German authorities.

http://www.dw.com/en/turkey-spies-betraying-asylum-seekers-in-german-immigration-offices/a-40974950

North Korea Tells UN It Supports Denuclearization, Reserves the Right to Self-Defence

The DPRK says it won't drop its arms while nuclear powers are "reviving a nuclear arms race reminiscent of (the) Cold War era."

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/North-Korea-Tells-UN-It-Supports-Denuclearization-Reserves-the-Right-to-Self-Defence-20171016-0030.html

UK inflation rises to highest level in five years

Inflation in Britain rose at the fastest pace in over five years in September, remaining above the Bank of England's 2% target for the seventh consecutive month, after breaking through the threshold for the first time in three years in March.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-inflation-rises-highest-level-five-years-1643448

Donald Trump vows to not take sides as Iraqi troops take over Kurdish-controlled Kirkuk

US president Donald Trump has said his country will not take any side in Iraq, where government troops took control of the oil-rich city of Kirkuk after advancing in Kurdish-controlled territories.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-vows-not-take-sides-iraqi-troops-take-over-kurdish-controlled-kirkuk-1643423

Catalonia: Protests after Spain detains separatists

Crowds have gathered in Barcelona to protest against the jailing of two leaders of the Catalan separatist movement.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41655095

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So I've been watching this Mouthy Buddha situation unfold recently and it is really fascinating. If anyone is interested in watching someone in the process of going from a civil nationalist to a fascist listen to this, watch his videos on the alt right and keep an I on how this continues. I think we really do need to understand how this happens on a individual basis if we want to stop people from becoming fascists. It seems Xexizy was right about the liberals.

https://mouthybuddha.bandcamp.com/track/walking-away-from-the-red-pill

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKEt1xKVBLuL175dkk8rqLg

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Another shitty race realism thread

Calling upon the /leftypol/ gods to answer this for me; I was browsing archive.org when I saw Ba'tko pussying out when being asked about some 'new' analysis from pic related (http://archive.is/RHVJt, though I also found him citing three threads from here over at http://archive.is/qJde4). The site is used and cited by ethnonationalists and probably Stormfags too; even the mod is wailing about 'free markets needing white people'. Site is http://thealternativehypothesis.org, use something which won't give them clicks.

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So it looks like there's a 50/50 chance the UK could crash off the cliff edge and do the hardest of hard brexits. The consequences are pretty staggering, all the ports and airports would shut, movement of drugs and radioactive materials for Xrays would be restricted, millions could lose their jobs within months, shortages of food in shops, fresh foods would stop coming in, a physical border would have to be constructed in Ireland, etc etc

It could take a decade to fully sort out and would almost certainly cause a deep and prolonged depression. And it could possibly happen by this christmas.

There's a fair chance it could get violent quickly, and the awful British press will blame the EU for the UK's fuck up. There's a chance extremism will rise over the next decade, and it could be from the left or right. How can we work this to our advantage? Bear in mind the police has been gutted by the Tory govt's austerity, and would almost certainly not be able to handle prolonged civil unrest and the army is full of actual neo-nazis. How does this pan out and can the entire Tory cabinet avoid getting beheaded? (hopefully not)

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Why are the french so fucking gay?

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What is the endgame of traditionalism?

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SJWs

Are sjws still a problem or are they dead now.

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Paris Commune Disscusion

We really should talk about this.

it was the first proletariat revolution and caused the

split between Marxists and anarchists.

what caused the split?

how did we get from this to the ussr?

can it be expanded on? and how?

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Why don't you guys go and create communes in places where no one lives.

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can we have a thread for the Japanese snap elections

what the fuck is going on in the land of the rising weeb ?

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Perth Comrades

Any comrades in Perth Australia? Curious if there are many of us here besides Socialist Alternative who are all Trots.

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How do you deal with the biases in academia in the west?

I have an anti communist liberal philosophy teacher who's a proper cuck and is openly biased against far leftist arguments and essays

I'm sick of having to go succdem and wanna reveal my power level without getting punished in marking

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19th Congress of the Communist Party of China about to start

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_National_Congress_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China

Opinions? What directions will they take? It is reported that they may include Xi's theories into their doctrine - which includes the goal to the "fully developed" for socialism by 2049.

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Critique of the Gotha Program

Doesn't Marx say commodity production is present in the initial stage of socialism in Critique of the Gotha Program?

"What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations,but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges. Accordingly, the individual producer receives back from society – after the deductions have been made – exactly what he gives to it. What he has given to it is his individual quantum of labor.For example, the social working day consists of the sum of the individual hours of work; the individual

labor time of the individual producer is the part of the social working day contributed by him, his share in it. He receives a certificate from society that he has furnished such-and-such an amount of labor (after deducting his labor for the common funds); and with this certificate, he draws from the social stock of means of consumption as much as the same amount of labor cost. The same amount of labor which he

has given to society in one form, he receives back in another.

Here, obviously, the same principle prevails as that which regulates the exchange of commodities, as far as this is exchange of equal values. Content and form are changed, because under the altered circumstances no one can give anything except his labor, and because, on the other hand, nothing can

pass to the ownership of individuals, except individual means of consumption. But as far as the distribution of the latter among the individual producers is concerned, the same principle prevails as in the exchange of commodity equivalents: a given amount of labor in one form is exchanged for an equal

amount of labor in another form.

Hence, equal right here is still in principle – bourgeois right, although principle and practice are no longer at loggerheads, while the exchange of equivalents in commodity exchange exists only on the

average and not in the individual case."

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political parties in rojava

how do parties work in the region and what is their role?

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So is postmodernism just a bourgeois plot to undermine Marxist theory and protect capitalism?

If not for this dipshit most universities would probably still have a strong Marxist presence

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/POL/ BTFO: ‘Allah’ Is Found on Viking Funeral Clothes

Will they ever fucking recover?

>The discovery of Arabic characters that spell “Allah” and “Ali” on Viking funeral costumes in boat graves in Sweden has raised questions about the influence of Islam in Scandinavia.

>The grave where the costumes were found belonged to a woman dressed in silk burial clothes and was excavated from a field in Gamla Uppsala, north of Stockholm, in the 1970s, but its contents were not cataloged until a few years ago, Annika Larsson, a textile archaeologist at Uppsala University, said on Friday.

>Among the contents unearthed: a necklace with a figurine; two coins from Baghdad; and the bones of a rooster and a large dog.

>Dr. Larsson discovered the Arabic characters in February, as she was preparing some of the items for an exhibition on Viking couture in Enkoping, Sweden. She had been trying to recreate textile patterns for the exhibits — by comparing motifs on the burial dress with a silk band found around the head of a skeleton in a Viking grave at Birka, Sweden — when she discovered Kufic characters of Arabic.

>At first, she said, she could not make sense of the tiny geometric designs in both fabrics.

“Then I remembered seeing them in similar Moorish designs in silk ribbons from Spain,” she said. “I understood it had to be a kind of Arabic character, not Nordic.”

>Upon closer examination of the band from all angles, she said, she realized she was looking at Kufic script. The words Allah and Ali appeared in the silk found in Boat Grave 36 and in many other graves — and, most intriguing, the word Allah could be seen when reflected in a mirror.

The same patterns have been found in mosaic grave monuments in Central Asia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/14/world/europe/vikings-allah-sweden.html

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SQT - Stupid questions thread

post your stupid/simple questions

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How do I convince liberals that guns are cool without revealing my power level????

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Was he right, has liberalization led to a commodification of sex, a sexual revolution or "ladies night"?

"Just like unrestrained economic liberalism, and for similar reasons, sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization. Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never. It’s what’s known as the ‘law of the market.’ In an economic system where unfair dismissal is prohibited, every person more or less manages to find their place. In a sexual system where adultery is prohibited, every person more or less manages to find their bed mate. In a totally liberal economic system certain people accumulate considerable fortunes; others stagnate in unemployment. In a totally liberal sexual system certain people have a varied and exciting erotic life; others are reduced to masturbation and solitude."

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Belarus

Western media likes to say that everything is a dictatorship if it disagrees with them. But is Belarus actually a shithole?

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Let's make a Lefty Calendar

So I was thinking about making some Alunya/Rodina pinups, and a thought occurred:

We should make our own calendar to mark important dates from the history of the Communist struggle. May Day is obviously the biggest "Communist Holiday," but I'm sure the 20th Century is fulla important dates worth celebrating (or mourning) or just making a big deal out of to annoy other sectarians :^)

And of course, if we have a calendar then we can put some dank Commie pinups in it.

So, what have we got?

January 1st - Occidental New Year

February 28 - International Working Women's Day

May 1st - May Day

Nov 19 - International Working Men's Day

Sept 28 - Founding of the First International

December 31 - Occidental New Year's Eve

Eh, kinda sparse so fair. What do you think, /leftypol/?

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Starting a Leftism Society at my school

*sigh* I am so weary…

ITT: Actually doing something to spread Class Consciousness and theory amongst the masses. Kinda.

I made a thread about this ages ago but it died, also the title I gave it was "LEFTISM SOC", too vague. I screenshotted the posts from the old thread, I don't have them on me but I'll post them in here when I get them so that the same points aren't repeated too much.

Basically as the title says, I've started a Leftist Society at my school to discuss, debate and present on Left-Wing politics, by which I mean Left of Capitalism. Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, Posadism, whathaveyou. We will have weekly meetings which are about 45 mins long, a mixture of presenting (inc. videos and powerpoints, interactive whiteboard), debating and open floor discussion.

I can upload the posters and shit I made, as well as all of the sessions I have planned and individual plans for each session. The main reason I made this thread and the last, however, is so that I am able to ask questions and get advice from people who have read more theory and history than me and who have more experience organising Leftist societies and clubs, whatever ya wanna call them; i.e. (you).

Any questions etc. about what the society will be like I'm happy to answer them whenever I can. And my infinite gratitude to anyone able to help out with advice and answers etc.

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Alunya

We need more pictures of her!

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Maximum Autism

This thread >>2152793 gave me an idea. Since we don’t seem to be having a revolution any time soon, I thought it would be fun to make up an ideology based RPG that could be played in threads. It might be a cathartic way to get over sectarian infighting, and could help educate newcomers on different ideologies / text formatting / dice rolling / input fields, so that we won’t have so many people that coming from twitter / reddit / youtube that don’t know how to operate an imageboard machine. It would also prove that we are more fun than /pol/. We could do a weekly thread with a campaign and rotate through DMs.

I started making up classes very loosely based on D&D. My idea was to have each group of classes be made up of ideological opponents who nevertheless have something in common: hence Non-Social Anarchists with Italian Left communists (too smart for democracy), and Ansyns with Tankies (existing socialism). Snowflake ideologies can use hybrid classes.

Here is what I have so far. Give suggestions, criticism, etc. I'll type up a handbook once we figure everything out.

Classes

Mages (Anti-Bureaucracy, Books ‘n Shit, Gets to cast spells)

Warlocks: Anarchists

Anprims: Druids

Market Anarchists: Merchant Sorcerers

Egoists: Necromancers

Wizard: Italian Left Communists (Bordigists)

Warriors (Existing Socialism)

Heavy Swordsman: Marxist-Leninists

Light Swordsman: Anarcho-Communists and Anarcho-Syndicalists

Other

Paladins: ==NAZBOL== - Warrior/Spellcaster Hybrid - Divine Magic - Fights to appease NazBol gods

Classes Needed (Ranger, Bard, Rogue and are all available)

Communalist (Monk perhaps?)

Orthodox Marxists (DeLeonists can be a hybrid between this and Light Swordsman)

Dutch Leftcoms/Council Communists

Hegelian Marxism (AW should get to pick this one if he so chooses)

Trotskyists

Democratic Socialists

Social Democrats / Reformists

Christian / Muslim / Theistic Socialists

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This is the perfect europe. Prove me wrong.

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What do MLs believe was the inspiration/cause for revisionism? If everything was going so great under Stalin's leadership, why did Krushchev enact De-Stalinization?

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The spectacle has been doing some weird things lately.

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The Birth of Militant Islam

Islamist terrorism literally didn't exist before the '80s. It simply wasn't a thing. Pre-'80s, post-war terrorism was mostly the deed of separatists or right-wingers. And even then, most '80s attacks were perpetrated by Iran-backed, Shia-dominated militias like the Hezbollah or the Islamic Jihad Organization with a modus operandi significantly different from what we're used to today.

Hamas, al-Qaeda and the Taliban were founded not earlier than 1987, 1988 and 1994 respectively. Attacks associated with fanatical Sunni Islam didn't become prominent until the '90s. The first major attack on Western soil was the WTC bombing of 1993, which left six dead — a relatively unimpressive death toll by current standards.

It would have to wait until the 2000s for Islamists to be associated with devastating attacks in the West — September 11, the Madrid train and London underground bombings. ISIS was founded as a splinter group from al-Qaeda in 2006, and that's the group most attacks are related with in the 2010s — including those in France.

So… What the fuck happened?

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Not long ago he made a similar video, is he slowly becoming /ourguy/ ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgE7ib4B6dQ

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How did you become leftist?

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OC Thread

I didn't see one in the catalog, post your shit

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BEHOLD, THE MOST LIBERAL IMAGE ON THE INTERNET

LOOK UPON IT, MORTALS, AND DESPAIR

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who won the calculation debate?

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dubtrack thread

internationale edition

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Your SO / Girlfriend

Hey /leftypol/ does your girlfriend (or bf for gays and ladies) share leftist political views? How'd you meet?

If not have you tried moving her more left.

For those of you with no gf, would you want a political gf?

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The Rothschilds and Hitler

Hi /lefty/friends,

I'd like to know what you think about the capture and release of Louis Nathaniel de Rothschild.

>he was arrested at the airport at Aspern and taken into custody by the Nazis because he was a distinguished member of the Jewish oligarchy.

>Released after a payment of $21,000,000, believed to have been the largest ransom payment in history for any individual.

>While imprisoned he was visited by Heinrich Himmler. Rothschild apparently impressed the SS leader, who subsequently ordered that Rothschild's prison conditions be improved with better furniture and sanitation facilities.

I'd also like to remind you that; "Himmler was one of the most powerful men in Nazi Germany and one of the people most directly responsible for the Holocaust.''

It's rather confusing, at least to me, that baron Rothschild made it out alive.

He was one of the main aspects of the Jewish oligarchy, and contrary to a lot of less wealthy Jewish people, he was allowed to life.

I feel like, if the Nazi party was truly against the Jewish oligarchy, it should've been the other way around.

Would anyone be so kind to offer some insight, and explain the actions of the Nazi party to me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Nathaniel_de_Rothschild

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Power

Is there nothing in this universe that can liberate the individual other than power?

If so why not be striving to be stronger? Autonomous? Or strong in egoistic union/collaboration? Should be teaching this to others as well.

All I know is that I need to be better. For my own sake & that's what I strive for.

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I like communism becuase some good political analysis, intelectual archievements and organisation methods. Still, I can't sincerely stop being anarchist and become just ordinary commie because I'm to aware its flaws: authoritarianism, which leads to deceneration of revolutuon and restauration of capitalism, and economic failure due to centralization.

I know we need to bring bag big narration of social liberation, and tankiesm is actually not helping this contrary to what's tankies think (I count trots as tankies sorry). At the same time anarchism is pretty much inflitrated by petty bourgeoise ideology and elements, and disorganised. I hardly see an exit from this situation to join true revolutionary movement with actual potential.

inb4 "All you know about Soviet Union is wrong" Actually I know pretty much not from bourgeois propaganda but sincere analysis of data. I's simply no new way, we need to build something different.

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How to survive in capitalism?

It's obvious there is no revolution around the corner for decades to come. Give me some survival tips for coping with the capitalist regime and build a max comfy life in the mean time.

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WOMEN HAD BETTER SEX UNDER SOCIALISM

How will the right ever recover from this devastating blow?

nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html

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Are there any decent organizations worth getting involved in South Miami? Even Marxist reading clubs. This internet leftism shit is the definition of useless activism, but I don't know where to begin with doing anything worthwhile irl

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Should the tanks have been sent?

I say yes

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Is the concept of yin and yang anti-dialectical?

In both systems you have one thing that contains and presupposes its opposite, and they exist in constant tension. Dialectics holds that the contradictions between the two should be resolved and produce something that is both new and that preserves some of the old. The idea of yin and yang is that the opposites should coexist in balance and harmony. Do these two ideas have more or less the same premise but utterly opposite conclusions? Does this have anything to do with ideology and philosophy of the East vs. West and the distinction between the "Western" and "Asiatic" modes of production?

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Honest question /leftypol/: why is he unable to read? Why does he keep pimping the same texts in every video (Wage Labor and Capital and Critique of the Gotha Program) instead of branching out?

I know Roo doesn't read (it's obvious by how his responses to critics take the form of terse, highly emotional banter rather than long, knowledge-filled insights), but no one except his 15-year old fans take him seriously. Muke, OTOH, is young and has potential for being a decent Marxist voice, which is why it disappoints me even more knowing he (like Roo) is functionally illiterate.

Roo's better videos were ghostwritten. That's pretty obvious. Were Muke's better videos ghostwritten too, or at least written collectively with him taking all the credit? I'm not trying to spread rumors here but something doesn't seem right.

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Should governments limit universitary options?

Should a government not fund a university course because the country is overloaded with that job (or jobs that you can go to with)? If they do, wouldn't the government be limiting the peoples option to either gtfo the country or work on something else?

It makes sense though, since it should be cheaper to import workers from other countries than to give them the course so that they can go out the country anyways and make the state lose a lot ot money…

(pic of uk because i think they do or used to do this)

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Black Officer has a panic attack and fires his weapon at a civilian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBfWS7XWAeg&feature=youtu.be

Thoughts on this? Should he lose his job, is this due to affirmative action?

I think cops need a proper mental assessment and training.

Also what's up with the comments?

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Die Linke is about to be subverted and turned into a SPD appendix, Wagenknecht about to step down

http://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/machtkampf-der-linken-sahra-wagenknecht-droht-mit-rueckzug-15250049.html

Today it was revealed that a coup was prepared to oust the most popular socialist politician in Germany, Sahra Wagenknecht, out of the party leadership. She already threatened to step down should attempts to undermine Die Linke and turn it into a SPD 2.0 continue. This is not surprising, as die Linke suffered from continuously growing liberal entryism since a long time now: Ramelow, head of the state government in Thuringia, recently supported the privatization of highways conducted by the CDU (conservatives). Wagneknecht who staunchly refused to compromise with the SPD, has been under attack amongst the German "left" for a while now, she recently spoke out against identity politics which caused the German media to paint her as a NazBol, and some autonomous activists to throw a cake into her face.

It's especially interesting to see that the perpetuators of this attempted coup within Die Linke have very cozy contacts to high positions in the SPD.

tl/dr the establishment in Germany gets triggered by the mere existence of a party left of the neoliberal consensus and is currently subverting it

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Which "leftist" groups have you been banned from and why?

like Facebook groups, subreddits etc…

How many have you been banned from?

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If you nerds ever get communism established, what's to stop conflict from resulting in slavery and forcing us all to start from square one again?

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>"whatcha gotta say against black CEO's, whitey? if we have capitalism, there damn well be sum black CEO's as well, or you be a red fascist kinda whitey, brocialist variety, u pale ass fuccboi"

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who should've taken power after stalin ?

pic semi related

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Totalitarianism

How do we stop the CIA/NSA from makaing revolution impossible.

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Neo-Nazi and National Front organis

https://www.channel4.com/news/neo-nazi-national-front-organiser-quits-movement-comes-out-as-gay-kevin-wilshaw-jewish-heritage

is this the power of right-wing identitarianism?

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it's gorbachev !

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"Muh American Economics, Capitalism, Poverty, Wagie, etc."

Have you ever might've considered "Muh Public health pesticide evolved plant MSG Natural and Artificial Flavors and random chemical and metal toxins" to be an issue?

Though most depressed people are poor, most depressed people also eat junk-food with random processed ingredients. Can't just be "economics". I'll admit, economics is a big factor, it causes class-divisions and capitalist exploitation, but health is an extremely underrated thing and is as big of a problem as American economy and capitalism.

In fact, this issue IS connected towards the Porky situation. Big Porky manufacturing companies than own 99% of our processed foods put drugs in our food to make them taste better, and to resist more pests via evolved plants (which these pesticides have the potential to affect us if they bioaccumulate) and all of this is for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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TERFs

What does /leftypol/ think of TERFs?

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What are you currently reading, /leftypol/?

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>Nature is inherently unequal

How do we debunk this argument?

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Woman Who Exposed Panama Papers Dies In Malta Car Bomb Attack

Journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia, who led “Panama Papers” investigation was killed today by a car bombing in Malta.

Really makes you think.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/16/malta-car-bomb-kills-panama-papers-journalist

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41637730

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Puerto Rico's streets crawl with heavily armed, masked mercenaries bearing no insignia or nametags

https://boingboing.net/2017/10/15/katrina-rerun.html#more-551130

>Though Puerto Rican law prohibits ownership and bearing of most long-guns and especially semiautomatic weapons, the streets of the stricken US colony now throng with mercenaries in tactical gear bearing such arms, their faces masked. They wear no insignia or nametags and won't say who they work for, apart from vague statements in broken Spanish: "We work with the government. It’s a humanitarian mission, we’re helping Puerto Rico."

Remember when they were saying that lefty groups must be up to no good because they covered their faces and hid their identities?

Really makes you think 🤔🤔🤔

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>tfw mark Levin is shilling for the Kurds right at this very moment emphasizing how friendly to israel they are

why do we always back the wrong horse /leftypol/?

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Hey /leftypol/, from 4chan's /vp/ with love. Meet your new comrade. Be nice to her.

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Halloween is coming

Post "Spooks"

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On the Yugo Economy

Yo does anyone have any reading on the economy of Yugoslavia: either positive, negative or just descriptive.

Here is a decently rare Tito as thanks.

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Could someone explain how to spot a "fake anarchist" from a "real anarchist"? Is there such thing as a larping anarchist?

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Totalitarianism

How do we stop the NSA/CIA from making it impossible to over through the capitalist state?

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Avant-Garde Trans-Humanist Socialism

You, a close-minded bolshevik: you can't just decide to live forever and drift into outer space

Me, an enlightened visionary:

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USSR GENERAL THREAD FOR TANKIES AND HISTORYFAGS

So as someone that was always fascinated by the USSR, I am always welcoming more shit about it

Especially military related, army manuals, tactics, rare photos, but anything goes, help a brother out

Valeu

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Parable of the Polygons

http://ncase.me/polygons/

Is capitalism to blame for this?

How will we solve this kind of problem under socialism?

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/britleftypol/ - P45 edition

Just realised I've been talking to myself on last thread that has hit bump limit. Theresa May has just been handed a P45 during one of the biggest speeches of her career.

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SPECTRE ROUGE ONLINE

REVOLT OF THE LONELY MASSES

http://spectrerouge.com/index.php/2017/10/11/revolt-of-the-lonely-masses/

The first real article of Spectre Rouge is now online, another three should be going up tonight. In the coming days I'll be putting together a pdf zine version of the best articles and content.

This particular article deals with the politics of loneliness and hopefully makes something positive out of all of it. Feel free to copypasta into /r9k/ threads when necessary.

For those who are unaware of what this is about see:

http://spectrerouge.com/index.php/2017/06/19/welcome-to-spectre-rouge/

http://spectrerouge.com/index.php/2017/10/11/introduction-to-haunt-the-21st-century/

And you can check out this link if you want to support us or submit something:

http://spectrerouge.com/index.php/contact-us/

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when your banned on 4chan and have to come to this shithole

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Rate my Flag Thread

Rate my flag!

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This kills the class reductionist

If socialism/communism naturally does away with racism, woman-hating, etc. how come the former Soviet Bloc countries have completely reactionary social policies and are full of far-right Nazi scumfucks?

Why is Russia so chauvinist?

Why is Ukraine full of neo-Nazis?

Why is Hungary being lead by the Magyar Donald Trump?

Why is Slovakia so islamophobic to the point where they not only banned Muslim refugees but also took Islam off their recognized religions?

Why is Poland so generally right-wing?

Face it: class reductionism is a terrible principle and the anti-idpol crowd doesn't know what they're fucking talking about.

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HOW DOES HE DO IT

This 80 year old man is singing 10,000 high priority documents individually EACH DAY and STILL has time to make important decisions and appearances.

You may not like DRUMF, but you gotta admit he's a fucking cowboy.

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What did marx mean by this?

Capitalist production is not merely the production of commodities, it is essentially the production of surplus value. - t. karl marx Capital volume 1 chapter 16

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wow you guys are fucking awful.

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Anybody else got a load of bitches n hoes on Facebook posting "me too" ?

Really what is it with white girls and obnoxious Facebook shit, I know at least half of these things these girls are posting just straight up did not happen, it's the same faces every time pretending they get cat called every day, it's just bullshit. No I'm not a girl but I walk down streets, often past builders, often behind women, I can honestly say I've never seen it happen, maybe it does, but every time they leave the house? Doubt it strongly. the one time it did was them whistling on my GF while I was there

HOW DO WE SMASH THE HUG BOX

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Is she right?

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/reaction/

is the whole alt right thing just a meme/trend like 'new athiesm'? are more people actually converting to right winged beliefs, after all even a supremely unpopular person like Clinton can win the popular vote. I have a stinking suspicion that alt right / le rational centrists are disproportionately represented online (likes/dislikes on youtube, comments, etc.) is for the same reason athiests were disproportionately represented on youtube/the internet in general in the 00's and seemed omnipresent despite christians still being 70% of the population. In a similar way I feel that the alt right congregates online because their beliefs are not accepted in normie spaces, if you take into account the vast number of normie liberals (not to mention all the non self hating minorities who aren't going to endorse their own ethnic cleansing).

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Why hasn't the 2008 crash brought forth as much people questioning capitalism as the stock market crash did in 1929?

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What are you doing to spread leftism?

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WOW! So gOOd! <3

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Richard Spencer coming to UF triggers state of emergency executive order

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/355668-florida-gov-declares-state-of-emergency-ahead-of-richard-spencer-campus

Weird news, comrades. After vacillating on the issue, the university of Florida (UF) has decided to host Richard Spencer. I think they always intended to host him, and just needed to make the appropriate arrangements between the different state organizations (school, sheriff's office, uni police department). Lots of money was transferred for "security". The state of emergency extends to the whole county. There will be lots of state personnel and firepower.

I want your take on this. What should UF students do? Leftists will probably be woefully outnumbered.

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What's a good name for a non-SJW Facebook Group

What is a good name for an non-SJW, non-idpol facebook group?

99% of leftbook groups are trash.

Bonus points if name doesn't contain the words SJW or brocialist

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Muslims can't live amongst infidels

https://islamqa.info/en/13363

>tfw Muslims are literally non allowed to live in infidel countries according to the Quran

Should we let them know leftypol? Maybe put up the relevant verses on the mosque doors or something?

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What accounts for the labor-value embodied in the manufacture of currency itself?

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Justice Union: A Leftist DC Elseworld

I figure this would be a great opportunity for the creative types of /leftypol/ to collaborate on a very special project.

If you've read Superman: Red Son, you know that the events that transpire in that story happen exclusively in the elseworld dimension known as Earth 30. The main aspect that makes this elseworld so fascinating is that instead of an American icon, Superman is a symbol of Soviet power that gives the USSR a significant advantage in the Cold War. Without spoiling the events of the story, the resolution at the end isn't necessarily that much of a win for leftism, and the role superheroes would play in a leftist paradigm isn't explored nearly as much as it ought to be.

This is where we come in.

Let's create a storyline following an alternate path of Earth 30. Let's call it… Earth 30-B, for now. In this dimension, each DC hero is individually representative of various branches of leftism (Superman being ML, Batman being anarchist, etc). Somehow, these leftist heroes band together to form the Justice Union, a team that stands as the ultimate bastion against Western imperialism and other forces of bourgeois oppression.

This idea came to me while hearing the Gary Clark Jr/Junkie XL cover of Come Together, the one used in the second Justice League trailer. The idea of coming together to unite against a common enemy is a huge motif in the Justice League film, and that made me think of our own struggle to achieve leftist unity. I think this kind of project would not only be a great exercise in creative energy, but also a pristine opportunity to explore the possibilities of how exactly to achieve left unity.

So what are you waiting for, /leftypol/? Let's make the Justice Union happen!

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wtf

>calls themselves a leftist podcast

>literally never talk about leftist shit

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/LeftyStarwars/

The starwars prequels and comics are pretty Lefty.

>Shows what happens when corporations become Mega monopolies.

>The Republic never punishes corporations who have help the CIS.

>CIS is nothing more then a bunch of capitalists and reactionaries parading as left-wing populists.

>War ends with the remaininge capitalists of the CIS becoming part of a democratically elected fascist empire.

Anything i left out?

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Trump is a Marxist

>Wants to build up an industrial base as a means to develop USA using the labor power of the working class

>Wants state controlled media (threats to undermind bourgeois networks like NBC and CNN)

>Protects worker's interests by shutting down scab labor entering from other countries

>Is against bourgeois trade agreements like NAFTA and TPP. Wants protectionism and strong borders in order to restrain the capitalist powers

>Opposes the degenerate workers state of North Korea

>Supports Comrade Putin

>Supports the Revolutionary Forces of the PKK in Syria and the MEK in Iran.

>Utilizes popular insurrection from his supporters using the moral force of his leadership. (think Mao and the red guard)

Trump is /ourguy/ and you'd have to be a bourgeois cuck shill to not support the revolutionary process happening in the US right now.

Prove me wrong, libtards.

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Why are you guys so extremist? Why do you want to overthrow the current system? I've got a house, car, technological gadgets, all the food I could ask for, and biannual holidays, all thanks to capitalism.

Most of you likely do too.

So why do you want to get rid of a system that has given you so much in order to institute one that has failed time and time again?

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Has anyone on /leftypol/ read The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith? Any criticisms of it? Any compliments for it?

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https://tribune.com.pk/story/1532696/russia-supplying-free-fuel-taliban-war-nato-forces-reveals-report/

>Russia supplying free fuel to Taliban in war against NATO forces, reveals report

Are Talibans anti-imperialists now?

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HELLO BUGMEN

presented without any comment

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why hasn´t /leftypol/ read rosa?

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Was he right fellas? Are we just spinning our wheels?

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So, what's exactly wrong with Marxism-Leninism? What other praxis do ultras recommend instead if not for M-L?

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https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/145359147

/pol/ are so thin-skinned they are trying to bully random coffee shops now.

lol

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Anarchism

Why do modern humans now need money to survive? Money has become a dependency, an addiction. It's become a mental illness, and slavery.

I would be anti-money all the way personally, but I see a problem for the average civilian, if there's no money, yes, hard labor will be eliminated, but how will people scientifically progress in a society without labor? The average human doesn't like work yes, but people can be naturally selfish and still want trade and need labor to fly an airplane and travel.

You can either have advanced commodities and capitalism or freedom but no advanced commodities

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No one is ever going to read bordiga, fuck you leftcoms your meme is shit

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Reactionary Labour

Workers of the world, unite and fight for a white South Africa!

— Slogan of the white miners' strike in Rand, Witwatersrand (1922)

Would you support a workers' movement if it was based in significant parts on reactionary premises such as racial discrimination?

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What will you do post-revolution?

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Soyboys of the alt-right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X9NUlPVajw

Post em

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Zizek is dying

This is from a lecture from a few weeks ago. Zizek nearly had a heart attack on stage as you can clearly see. Only if you post "Drop weight, comrade!" can you extend his life expectancy by 1 week. Dubs with the same message add a month.

You are not allowed to post "Dr*p dead, Zizek!" ITT! That would have the opposite effect.

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Daily News Thread 10/16

Israeli Jets Bomb Syrian Anti-Air Battery near Damascus

The Israeli Defence Force has reported that they launched a retaliatory attack on a Syrian anti-air battery following a "reconnaissance mission" over Lebanon.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Israeli-Jets-Bomb-Syrian-Anti-Air-Battery-near-Damascus-20171016-0007.html

Iraqi forces taking over Kirkuk ‘a declaration of war’ – Kurdish Peshmerga

Iraqi soldiers have raised their country’s flags over key buildings in Kirkuk, and Baghdad has declared the Kurdish city be under government control. The Kurdish Peshmerga forces called the takeover “a flagrant declaration of war” and vowed that Iraq will pay a “heavy price.”

https://www.rt.com/news/406837-kurds-iraqi-forces-conflict-kirkuk/

Turkey backs Iraqi moves into Kurdish region

Turkey says it supports the operation conducted by the Iraq government forces which moved in to the disputed city of Kirkuk and seized oil fields and other infrastructure following last month’s Kurdish independence vote.

https://www.apnews.com/3fc5e547934447b3b26df3115ee56bdd/The-Latest:-Turkey-backs-Iraqi-moves-into-Kurdish-region

Rise of the right: Austria’s election results & their implications for Europe

The resounding success of two anti-immigrant parties in the Austrian elections, with the right-wing Freedom Party (FPO) delivering one of the strongest performances in more than a decade, is a direct result of Europe’s open border policies, analysts say.

https://www.rt.com/news/406796-austria-vote-results-europe/

Maduro's Socialist Party Wins Venezuela's Regional Polls

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said it was the highest turnout in 15 years - more than 10 million people voted.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Maduros-Socialist-Party-Wins-Venezuelas-Regional-Polls-20171015-0031.html

U.S. Supreme Court to decide major Microsoft email privacy fight

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday agreed to resolve a major privacy dispute between the Justice Department and Microsoft Corp (MSFT.O) over whether prosecutors should get access to emails stored on company servers overseas.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-microsoft/u-s-supreme-court-to-decide-major-microsoft-email-privacy-fight-idUSKBN1CL20U

Tillerson Pledges Diplomacy With North Korea ‘Until the First Bomb Drops’

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson says President Donald Trump wants him to push forward on diplomacy with North Korea “until the first bomb drops.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-15/-until-first-bomb-drops-tillerson-says-of-diplomacy-with-kim

U.K. Fears Collapse of Brexit Talk Within Weeks

Brexit negotiations are heading for a catastrophic breakdown unless the European Union signals this week that it will allow talks to move on to trade, according to a person familiar with the U.K. government’s position.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-16/u-k-is-said-to-see-brexit-breakdown-if-eu-refuses-to-compromise

Hurricane Ophelia: Three people die as storm hits Ireland

Two men and a woman have been killed as the remnants of Hurricane Ophelia hit the British Isles.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41627442

A tech-destroying solar flare could hit Earth within 100 years

The sun could be one of our biggest threats in the next 100 years. If an enormous solar flare like the one that hit Earth 150 years ago struck us today, it could knock out our electrical grids, satellite communications and the internet. A new study finds that such an event is likely within the next century.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2150350-a-tech-destroying-solar-flare-could-hit-earth-within-100-years/

Colin Kaepernick files lawsuit against NFL over 'collusion' not to sign him

Colin Kaepernick has filed a lawsuit against NFL team owners he believes are conspiring not to hire him because of his protests against racial injustice.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/american-football/41630253

A confused police officer thought doughnut glaze was meth in a costly mistake

A man in Florida has been awarded a settlement of $37,500 after he was arrested by police who had mistaken Krispy Kreme crumbs for methamphetamine chunks.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/confused-police-officer-thought-doughnut-glaze-was-meth-costly-mistake-1643347

Texas Justice Department employee 'stole $1.25m worth of fajitas'

A former south Texas Juvenile Justice Department employee has been arrested after authorities say he stole an extraordinary $1.25m (£940,000) worth of fajitas over nine years.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/texas-justice-department-employee-stole-1-25m-worth-fajitas-1643293

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B O R D I G A

> I don't want the name Bordiga to be placed on a market, as a really stupid bait for those who cast it and those who are taken in, and I'm sure this won't even happen after my death. The one who can't grasp the reason why, hasn't understood a word of all the texts and history of the Left.

> I think of my death with serenity and leave exorcisms to the superstitious. I'm not afraid of dying, but I fear the possibility that all the movement might go daft to commemorate me.

> Although I've decided to leave no kind of will, you force me to take all the necessary precautions in order to avoid such a supercrap. I want anyone to use texts free, on condition that the name Bordiga is not mentioned. This is a problem regarding bourgeois praxis, as well as communist praxis. If all of you were mature, I mightn't be worried, but I foresee your weaknesses.

> If I'm infringing any right of History, well then, I don't give a fuck especially about History.

— Amadeo Bordiga

uomo assolutamente folle

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DECEMBER 2

Black bloc Perth lads?

Batko better fucking come

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Which shall be the solution to the "Gamer Question" ? Will those consumerist liberal faggots get the gulag?

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Anyone have the ML reading list?

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Israel - Thoughts

Don't know if there's a thread on this (crtl+f never works on 8chan for me). I spent two weeks here and had lots of politically charged thoughts during my stay, who wouldn't? Anyway, since MOSSAD is no longer on my IP, we can talk.

I'm convinced it's a facist democracy, and heading towards levels of theocracy as zionists move in and more left-leaning Jews move out.

What are your thoughts?

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SWEDISH THREAD

Funderar på att bli medlem i SKP. Vad tycker ni? Någon som har varit aktiv i SKP och kan dela med sig av sin erfarenhet?

Nytt avsnitt av Markus och Malcom (handlar om Kataloniens självständighet):

https://soundcloud.com/markus-och-malcom/det-ar-ratt-att-gora-uppror-men-det-ar-ocksa-ratt-att-krossa-skallbenet-pa-lilla-bambi

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Egoists of /leftypol/, what is the union of egoists, and how does it work?

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Why arent you using AdNauseum yet you fuckers

https://adnauseam.io

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Hello

I would like somebody to post the image with Hitler having a sign that reads

>NATIONAL socialit DEUTSCHE arbeiter PARTEI

in front of bourgeois, and

>national SOCIALIST deutsche ARBEITER partei

in front of workers

If anyone has it that would be great

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Alexander Dugin Eurasianism and National-Bolshevism

Is Dugin worth reading?

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>you will never browse revleft circa 2010-2015 just in time for the bordigist/leftcom revival and rafiq posts again

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Mugabe

How did this man achieve power?

He threw his state into a state of disrepair

He betrayed the Zimbabwean People

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Why does no one care about this guy nowadays? He was popular and influential enough to be the anarchist theorist opposed to Marx, but it seems almost no one reads or references him today. Even anarchists like Malatesta are more read than him. I guess the question further extends to Collectivism and why it's a deader ideology than Mutualism.

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he fucked everything up

he did ,fucking come at me

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Cockshott and Minsky

Fusion of Cockshott and Minsky is the future of Left Economy

https://youtu.be/G9_nqc-A5_Y?t=50

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What went so wrong?

Pic related is Juan Velasco Alvarado, President of Peru , and head of the Revolutionary Government of the Armed Forces. The only Leftist Dictatorship established in South America.

I never got a socialist perspective on him.

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Why aren't you an antinatalist yet?

pic unrelated

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What is some good lefty literature about the commodification of anti-fascist/anti-capitalist movements or leftist ideas?

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Be honest /leftypol/. Did he do anything wrong?

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Face it /leftypol/, this is the man who actually built socialism in the USSR. Lenin may have created the foundations, but the state he left behind was essentially state-capitalist.

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One Company controls most of our snacks.

PepsiCo

http://www.pepsico.com/company/global-divisions

North America Beverages (NAB)

http://www.pepsicobeveragefacts.com/home/Brands

Frito-Lay North America (FLNA)

http://www.fritolay.com/snacks

Quaker Foods North America

http://www.quakeroats.com/products.aspx

There are other companies that have a large influence in market like Kellogg's, General Mills, The Coca-Cola Company, Kraft Heinz Company, Nestle, Wrigley, Hershey's, Nabisco, Betty Crocker, etc., but PepsiCo in particular is the one that has the greatest impact and is a manufacturing company that owns other manufacturing companies' brands.

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IQ distribution by race

What does /leftypol/ have to say about Autism Level distrubution by blacks and whites?

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I believe one of the greatest triumphs of capitalism is how it has turned comparing wealth into a taboo. No one really have to face the fact their bosses are screwing them over, and everyone can go on pretending it isn't happening.

How to change this?

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Daily reminder that a lot of historical figures were black but the white man stole it from us. Beethoven? Black. Jesus? Black. Vladimir M'tomba Lenin? Black. Stalin? Black.

Why does the white man keep doing this? How can socialists allow this to happen?

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Jimmy Dore's liberal watchers ENRAGED, mass downvoting and LEAVING IN DROVES after witnessing him argue with his wife on video. Jimmy Dore Show IN SHAMBLES!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHhcd_eiZ3Y

Offending material starts @ 4:32

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Is Publix worker's ownership over the means of production

Well?

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LANDSLIDE VICTORY FOR PSUV IN VENEZUELA

GUSANOS BTFO

PSUV gets at least 17 / 23 governorships, one still pending. YANQUIS DE MIERDA, WE'RE GONNA DO IT, FUCK IT!

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http://archive.is/xGm73

Why do SJWs try to divide and conquer everything?

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Hobbsian social contract theory.

Q: Has anyone used a deconstruction of the Hobbsian social contract where the proletariat functions as the absolute sovereign? And no, Marx did not do this.

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Marxist Savagery

ITT: Marx being a savage

>You preach to me constantly the gospel of “saving” and “abstinence.” Good! I will, like a sensible saving owner, husband my sole wealth, labour-power, and abstain from all foolish waste of it.

>I will each day spend, set in motion, put into action only as much of it as is compatible with its normal duration, and healthy development.

>By an unlimited extension of the working day, you may in one day use up a quantity of labour-power greater than I can restore in three. What you gain in labour I lose in substance. The use of my labour-power and the spoliation of it are quite different things.

>If the average time that (doing a reasonable amount of work) an average labourer can live, is 30 years, the value of my labour-power, which you pay me from day to day is 1/(365×30) or 1/10950 of its total value.

>But if you consume it in 10 years, you pay me daily 1/10950 instead of 1/3650 of its total value, i.e., only 1/3 of its daily value, and you rob me, therefore, every day of 2/3 of the value of my commodity.

>You pay me for one day’s labour-power, whilst you use that of 3 days. That is against our contract and the law of exchanges. I demand, therefore, a working day of normal length, and I demand it without any appeal to your heart, for in money matters sentiment is out of place.

>You may be a model citizen, perhaps a member of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, and in the odour of sanctity to boot; but the thing that you represent face to face with me has no heart in its breast. That which seems to throb there is my own heart-beating.

>I demand the normal working day because I, like every other seller, demand the value of my commodity.

(Das Kapital Vol.1 Chapter 10)

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/conspiracy/

What is it about America in general that makes people so prone to conspiracy theories? Why are conspiracy theories and irrational beliefs more prevalent now than in the recent past, is it due to the ton of information from the internet, etc.? The fact that anyone believes in the whole free market place of ideas meme needs to die

50% of Americans believe in some sort of conspiracy theory (from global warming denial, 9/11 truthers, hippy crystal healing/crystal internet people, vanilla flavored right winged theories i.e. cultural marxism/da joos done et, flat earthers etc.

>British Conspiracy theories David Icke believes the protocols of the elders of zion was real, but in fact the word jew was used as a euphemism for reptilian

<MFW the Jewish Question Pill is a lie, and the true red pill is the lizard pill, and the alt right is a reptilian conspiracy to distract people by getting them to blame the jews rather than the TRUE force behind world events, the Babylonian Brotherhood, a hybrid race of human–extraterrestrial reptilians, also known as the Illuminati, descendants of reptilians from the constellation Draco, who live in caverns inside the earth. WAKE UP SHEEPLE, the reptilian plot to modify humanity is underway! TAKE THE FINAL PILL, THE LIZARD PILL!!!11!

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Will my buddy Assad get through Trump alive? Pls say yes fellow Syrian Generals.

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Shocking documentary reveals things about Communsim I bet you didn't know

Spoiler: It's the Jews again:

https://youtu.be/IcH00ZC3Df0

HOW DO THEY KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

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The End of the Union

What caused the USSR to collapse?

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[OPSEC] WPA2 protocol got cracked

wpa_supplicant already got patched so it's just lots of Android devices with stock ROMs and abandoned IoT garbage that are going to remain dangerous.

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Wouldn't anti sweat shop law in the third world destroy the economy in their country?

If revolution comes to the firsr world and we stop exploitation in the third world, wouldn't that causw more damage to them?

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Questions for "Real" Socialists.

Recently whenever I ask you folks a question related to human nature, you most of you guys would deny or down play the violent and chaotic parts of human nature.

So my question to you guys is this, which of these two books in your opinion, most closely represents reality, Lord Of The Flies or The Coral Island? And why?

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Rejecting Peterson the Priest

1/2

i would like to critique peterson on one specifically ridiculous point of his otherwise similarly ridiculous ouvere of ideological mystifications which he likes to call his "philosophy." i know this to be a tenant of his "thought" because i have a friend, a best friend, who has unfortunately been indoctrinated into peterson's cult-with-no-name, or as we could also put it "the cult of conservative ideology." for peterson, marxism or generally revolutionary thought is pointless, because as they so annoyingly put it, "of COURSE the world is bad, of COURSE you suffer, to reject this is to reject human nature as such! your opposition of the barbaric actions ruling order is pathological, because the State can only be oppositional to your interests, and you'd better clean your room and shape up/sort yourself out, because it is your DUTY to conform to the interests of those who lord over every aspect of your livelyhood (also somehow i claim to give a fuck about the "individual")!" It truly is absolute ideology of the highest order.

There is an idea within religious studies which we can attribute to Pierre Bourdieu, where he politicizes the Weberian concept that there are two central figures in any given religious movement, a priest and a prophet. For Bourdieu, the prophet is, due to their very position, a revolutionary; they use the language of the religious context they situate themselves in in order to advocate a radical change of this very same context, they seek change not from an external entity from the dominant order, they want to use the order TO CHANGE THE ORDER ITSELF. The easy and obvious example of a prophet is jesus, who managed to create christianity from judaism by using the language of judaism itself. the reactionary opposition to this is embodied in the priest. the priest, in the face of the threat posed by the prophet, radically asserts the ruling religious dogma, he doubles down on his ideological assertion that the context which the ruling order has created is the "natural state of things," that the way things are is a NECESSARY formulation, that any proposed alternative to this is irrational (think of the pharisees' priestly response to jesus). under this theoretical umbrella, peterson may be one of the most dillegent neoliberal priests operating today. the dog obeys his owners exceedingly well, he has perfected the craft of addressing the legitimate concerns of those who are subject to the order created by our masters, he has no trouble addressing the inequality faced by the working class (remember his slogan, "of course you're suffering"). he manages to recognize this while simultaneously telling the exploited that they for some reason need to, in his exhaustingly philistinian vocabulary, "bear the cross of their suffering;" that instead of recognizing that they are wrapped up in a system of governing which, surprise surprise, doesn't benefit them, instead of rejecting this garbage, they should apparently, without any amount of criticism, accept their social position, sort themselves out, and work hard enough to get a job which can allow them to live comfortably.

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>anarchokiddies will defend legalizing Opium

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Behind the opioid crisis: Republicans and Obama cleared the way for corporate murder

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/10/16/drug-o16.html

By Patrick Martin

16 October 2017

>Leading Republican and Democratic members of Congress and top Obama administration officials collaborated to shut down efforts by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) to stem the flow of prescription opioids that have killed 200,000 Americans over the past two decades, according to a devastating exposure published Sunday by the Washington Post and broadcast Sunday night on the CBS news magazine “60 Minutes.”

>The joint investigation by the Post and “60 Minutes” made use of extensive whistleblower revelations by former officials of the DEA, which has the main responsibility for halting the flow of illegal narcotics, including prescription drugs like oxycodone and hydrocodone.

>Three major companies, all in the top 20 of the Fortune 500 and hugely profitable, dominate the distribution of these opioids: McKesson, Cardinal Health, and AmerisourceBergen, with combined revenues of more than $450 billion. McKesson chairman and CEO John Hammergren has the largest pension fund of any US corporate boss, a $160 million nest egg.

>These gigantic revenues and huge personal fortunes were accumulated by means of what can only be termed a massive social crime: the flooding of impoverished working-class neighborhoods with high volumes of opioids, narcotics that were being prescribed in vast quantities by doctors and pharmacists and illegal “pain centers” and “pill mills” that were a constant presence in the affected areas.

>The consequences have been felt in a historic reversal in the long-term rise of life expectancy in the United States. For middle-aged whites, particularly those living in rural areas, life expectancy is declining and death rates soaring, in large part because of the impact of opioid abuse and addiction.

>Appalachia is a center of the opioid crisis. The figures presented in the Post /”60 Minutes” report are staggering—and damning. To Mingo County, West Virginia, an impoverished former mining area on the state border with Kentucky, population 25,000, the mid-sized Ohio-based drug distributor Miami-Luken shipped 11 million doses of oxycodone and hydrocodone in a five-year period: enough to give two pills a week to every man, woman and child in the county.

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How did a Trotskyist current (Marcyism, or "support literally anything that's arguably anti-imperialist") become *the* defining tendency in Marxism-Leninism, completely overshadowing other strains such as anti-revisionist Marxism-Leninism, MLM and Hoxhaism?

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Questions for "Real" socialists.

How do you feel about the fact that in the newest Star Trek, the villains are communists?

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What is leftypol's opinion on deplatforming? Does it work?

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Leftist Movies

anyone seen The Party (2017)?

it's a black comedy about a dinner party of SocDems and Liberals, with one Socialist.

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Esperanto Fadeno

Kiu ajn Esperantistoj cxi tie?

What does /leftypol/ think about esperanto?

Kio /leftypol/ pensas pri esperanto?

Is it truly Communism in Words?

Cxu gxi estas vere komunisma je vortoj?

https://jacobinmag.com/2017/05/esperanto-world-common-language-zamenhof-internationalism

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Oscar Wilde birthday

"Socialism, by converting private property into public wealth, and substituting co-operation for competition, will restore society to its proper condition."

Irish playwright, poet and author Oscar Wilde was born on this day in 1854.

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Contact Thread

This is the unofficial /leftypol/ contact exchange thread. The scope is primarily romance but this is a friendship thread as well. Based off the ideas in >>2144448

For security and privacy reasons, we recommend any anons exchanging contact use Wire or Riot

(Matrix.org), both if which can be created easily.

Please fill the following out:

>Age

>Location (being vague is fine )

>Ideological Tendency

>Your Gender/Sex

>Their Gender/Sex

>What are you looking for (relationship wise)

>Besides politics what other hobbies do you have?

>Extra info you want to add

>Contact

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Tfw leftcoms confirm critiques of themselves, it's either crypto Leninism, (Bordiga) crypto syndicalism, (pannekoek)or crypto ancommunism (dauve himself)

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>RLM comments section

is this what right wingers trying to sound intelligent looks like?

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Gay Irish Marxists Gen

Hey, guys. I'm totally not just looking for the one gay Irish Marxist on this board. This is a thread for general gay Irish Marxist discussion - like relevant issues to advancing the gay Irish Marxist cause in Ireland and taking back our Hibernian way from the Limey bastards.

I miss you, why aren't you on FALGSC discord anymore you dick? ;_;

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Anyone else feeling more Green than Red? I'm absolutely no tree-hugger or primitivist, but it seems like a revolution focused on solely the material interests of the working class is a recipe for the continuation of consumerism, as well as not developing the MoP.

Pic unrelated, though you can discuss Shay's Rebellion and similar affairs if you really feel like it I guess.

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This actually happened

>be me

>be with QT thicc GF for 4.5 years and counting, reaching 5 years this February

>shares communist shit with her, teaches her about communism and basic socioeconomics in general

>she agrees with me, but has a hard time following on some of the more complex aspects of theory

>be tonight

>we're on a Skype call and she tells me about a test she took in one of her college classes

>many written responses required on her test

>she jumbles up some of the words during her writing

>meant to write "means of transportation" as part of one response

>her brain unconsciously made her write "means of production

>mfw

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Hello I'm David Bowie

Do you enjoy bowie /leftypaul/?

Have you payed homage to lenin's body?

david bowie did

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Can anyone give me the quick run-down on platformism? Is it basically anarchist blanquism/leninism?

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How come the only regular anarcho-communist flag poster on /leftypol/ is not even an anarchist?

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Winnipeg Real Estate Tycoon Sues 49 People Who Protested Bulldozing Historic Wetlands

>A Winnipeg-area real estate developer has launched a lawsuit against 49 people who tried to defend ecologically sensitive wetlands that have historical significance to the Métis against controversial development plans.

>Companies owned by Andrew Marquess, a well-connected Winnipeg developer, allege in court documents newly obtained by PressProgress that the 49 defendants participated in a “trespassing campaign” on the wetlands. Marquess claims this forced him to build a fence, install flood lights and hire a private security firm to “conduct surveillance” on the Indigenous and environmental activists.

>Marquess had previously launched a lawsuit against several lead organizers. A new Statement of Claim, filed at the end of September, names dozens of new defendants.

>Those defendants say Marquess is seeking “damages potentially in excess of $500,000” – a move they warn could have a chilling effect on similar protests in the future.

https://pressprogress.ca/winnipeg-real-estate-tycoon-sues-49-people-who-protested-bulldozing-historic-wetlands/

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Favourite Anarchists

Who are your favourite anarchists? I really like Stirner, Bakunin, Renzo Novatore and Kaneko Fumiko. And Alunya, of course!

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commies have best flags?

Why do communists have the best flags? I'm not even a communist but I can't help admire their A E S T H E T I C S

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>most active board on the website

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India

What can you tell me about India, /leftypol/? Is it doomed to become a fascist state under the BJP or do the Naxals and Keralites have a chance?

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BASED LEFTY BILLIONAIRES

"A socialist in ideology, a capitalist in methodology."

High school dropout who becomes a top UN member and billionaire FOR LEFTISM. FUCKING BASED.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Strong

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What do you think about this map?

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What is my ideology leftypol? I've done light reading like the manifesto, Lenin, kropotkin

> Support syndalist style seizing of means of production

> Local community supported or state funded universal healthcare, higher education

> Higher development in technology and science to further humanities goals

> Everyone receives basic necessities i.e housing, groceries, a car etc with luxury goods being bought for wage credits/tokens which are not inflationary and bought in a workers owned market

> Maximum wage at 8x the lowest wage in any firm, I.e Wolff co op policies

> Fine with a more radical Marxist revolution if this solution fails

> Believe in continuance of the state at least in the mean time but a greater focus on local representation and regionalism

> Fine with lockes liberal social contract theory in a post capitalist world, i.e not fully anarchy but a society with agreed upon or democratically decided social rules

> Pro medicinal drug legalization. Support some recreational legalization however would like commissions into effects on the individual and community of more serious drugs, definitely rehabilitation rather then criminalization though

> Pro gun rights, pic related

> Pro liberalization of women however opposed to radical liberal feminism as it doesn't tackle the material causation and has played a large part in creating the aut right

> Don't support any legalization on free expression, let local communities decide what speech is reasonable

> Fine with abortion

> Anti nationalist but if a form of civic nationalism has to be embraced to convince classcucked proles to abandon capitalism then it's a necessary stepping stone

Well? Am I just a more based succdem or am I a moderate socialist. I believe change can come through the political appartus if the conditions permit however am not opposed to revolution via the first or third world.

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Why is fascism so… seductive? A legitimate question concerning the psychological effects.

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CRYPTOCURRENCIES

Hello leftypool,

What is the general consensus regarding crytocurrencies around the lefty sphere?

I'm imagining a lot of anarchists like the idea of a decentralized currency. Is there literature that deals with emerging technologies and their place within leftists worldviews?

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How do centrists sleep at night?

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Why do so many so-called leftists so vociferously defend so-called "sex work?"

It clearly falls under the category of non-productive labor, and under communism it would not exist at all, along with job titles like "day trader" or "claims adjuster," yet so many red liberals are tripping over themselves to legitimize and institutionalize the exploitation of women. Why is this?

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Are Leninists Blanquists?

"The Blanquists fared no better. Brought up in the school of conspiracy, and held together by the strict discipline which went with it, they started out from the viewpoint that a relatively small number of resolute, well-organized men would be able, at a given favorable moment, not only seize the helm of state, but also by energetic and relentless action, to keep power until they succeeded in drawing the mass of the people into the revolution and ranging them round the small band of leaders. this conception involved, above all, the strictest dictatorship and centralization of all power in the hands of the new revolutionary government."

-Engels

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/postscript.htm

Are Leninists/M-Ls Blanquists?

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Stalin was not a real Communist because Communism doesn't have state or a heirarchy.

A revolution can't start by a 'leader', but by a collective mass of individuals, therefore Soviet Union is not real Communism and was a dictatorship.

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the imagined chinese african and arab "Ethno-States"

<"WTF how come deeply triggering and problematics who want anuddah shoah wont let white people have a homogeneous "Ethno-State" but the Chinese/African/arabs can!?"

>implying that China is a homogeneous state

>implying that africa is a homogeneous continent

>implying that the MidEast is a homogeneous region

Imagine being THIS misinformed about world

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Did Poland deserve it? Did Ukraine also deserve it?

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What is maoism?

/leftypol/ seems to be quite ignorant when it comes to China and Maoism, so I'll try to give a basic digest of what it's all about.

There are 5 basic components of Maoism:

Maoism alteration to Marxism-Leninism can be broken down into five basic categories

<Maoist dialectics.

I won't go into much detail here, just post a few links and draw some differentiating conclusions.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_16.htm

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_17.htm

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-6/mswv6_30.htm

His main conclusions are as follows:

-Rejection of the end of history. The being of humanity is perpetual, endless progress. At least as long as human nature is maintained, no state of humanity will ever be constant or static.

Wavelike structure of progress: unity and struggle of the opposites don't as much exist at the same time, as morph in each other back and forth.

- Essentiality of practice. A Chinese or Soviet politician absolutely cannot, in fact, provide a relevant judgement or analysis of a European or African politics and society. At least, not nearly as relevant as Europeans and Africans themselves. This trivial statement has long-lasting consequence of Chinese non-interventionism.

- Antidogmatism. Every piece of theory will decay and is bound to be, sooner rather than later, replaced by a modern one.

<New democracy

A form of government that incorporates communist class consciousness and Marxist ideology, while purposefully developing capitalism, due to lack of productive forces and technological conditions of socialism. The people tend to say that Deng Xiaoping has restored capitalism. Funny thing is, that all that Mao was doing (if he is to be believed) was constructing it in the first place.

<Cultural Revolution.

Swiping away the reactionary elements of culture, that remain from the old society and accumulate due to capitalist economic base of the new one. This is the most controversial topic, due to a botched Cultural Revolution in China.

<Mass Line

>In all the practical work of our Party, all correct leadership is necessarily "from the masses, to the masses". This means: take the ideas of the masses (scattered and unsystematic ideas) and concentrate them (through study turn them into concentrated and systematic ideas), then go to the masses and propagate and explain these ideas until the masses embrace them as their own, hold fast to them and translate them into action, and test the correctness of these ideas in such action. Then once again concentrate ideas from the masses and once again go to the masses so that the ideas are persevered in and carried through. And so on, over and over again in an endless spiral, with the ideas becoming more correct, more vital and richer each time. Such is the Marxist theory of knowledge.

Le quotation

-<Protracted People's War.

The guideline (that Mao himself used of course) to create a Communist Opposition poised to overtake the state. It relies on, instead of challenging the state head on (in its' press, politics, or storming the capital), establishingm effectively, communist states in the areas where the obsolete state is either non-existent or weak: offering the people that which it fails to provide. Thus, even if it manages to crack down after some time, the support for communism will only grow, as indeed, the only way an old state may truly challenge the Communist Uprising would be to adopt those policies themselves. Thus, the Communist Insurrection creeps from those dark and neglected places and overtakes more and more: villages, countryside, provinces, cities.

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Questions for "Real" socialists.

Can you explain to me what real socialism is?

Is Anfem real socialism, or is ancom the brand?

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Convince me to finish reading Saint Max when Marx was high on his idea of base/superstructure and his reductionist materialism. His critique of Stirner relies on that Stirner comes off as believing only in an idealistic conception of physical events, in that we are ruled by thoughts and that reality is molded by thought. Where does Stirner actually concieve of this, except for satirizing this very idea with his development of The Unique, which is filled by the unique content (as the dialectical negation of thought development throughout the book). Marx concieves of the unique as petty bourgeois individualism, denying that there is a materialistic factor of ideas and ideals (Stirner's step towards psychoanalysis), and instead concieves a vulgar materialistic idea that consciousness is last in line as a reflection of material and social conditions. Whereas Stirner concieves of the individual as something not able to be completely defined in conceptual networks of intercourse a la base/superstructure, and the underlying physical network cannot be abstracted as simple as other young hegelians concieved (which Marx places him as the pinnacle of).

Not to say that Stirner's critique isn't dated, which Marx continously nitpicks. But Marx doesn't seem to accept that there are conscious changes that can be made on the individual level to affect larger scale thought, and just regards Stirner's efforts against morality as individualistic trash, as if the whole moralic structure is defined by communal/social factors, and not involving the material consciousness in the organic process.

So convince me Stirner is the idealist that he's made out to be, compared to Marx's profile of materialism.

t. Brainlet

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>"Nothing is more evident than that modern capitalism is just as subversive as Marxism. The materialistic view of life on which both systems are based is identical; both of their ideals are qualitatively identical, including the premises connected to a world the center of which is constituted of technology, science, production, ‘productivity,’ and ‘consumption.’ And as long as we only talk about economic classes, profit, salaries, and production, and as long as we believe that real human progress is determined by a particular system of distribution of wealth and goods, and that, generally speaking, human progress is measured by the degree of wealth or indigence — then we are not even close to what is essential."

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Anti-Vaxxers and Big Pharma

Why do anti-vaxxers claim vaccines are being pushed by Big Pharma? Wouldn't it actually make more sense for major pharmaceutical companies to undermine vaccination efforts?

Vaccines are dirt cheap to produce and by their very nature get rid of the source of a pharmaceutical company's much larger profits. If I were the evil CEO of some polio medicine manufacturer, the last thing I'd want to happen is for polio to be completely wiped out by mass compulsory immunization.

The reason I'm asking is that I study visual communication and chose to deal with rumors about vaccination as my subject on an assignment about "fake news". One of the teachers was visibly upset by this choice, arguing I wasn't qualified to make such statements (even though I carefully sourced every assertion) and that the truth was muddied by the fact that pro-vaccines literature was "massively financed" — by whom, she would not say. She also assured a lawsuit regarding the vaccine-autism link in which a friend of hers was involved is in the process of being won by the defendants, but I have found no evidence supporting this.

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Global Capitalism: Trump’s/GOP’s Tax Plan and a Changing US Economy [October 2017]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRQ0yiIzlVo&t

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The Efficiency of Jihadism

How come contemporary Islamists are so apt at killing so many people in almost every attack they carry out?

Even the deadliest terror attacks in post-war European history — the 1980 Bologna massacre by neo-fascists (85 deaths), the 1974 Dublin car bombing by Ulster loyalists (34 deaths) or the 1961 Vitry-le-François train derailment by pro-colonialists (28 deaths) — pale in comparison.

They almost seem amateurish when you think of the death toll associated with the recent attacks in Madrid (192), Paris (137) or Nice (87) — keeping in mind that those weren't carried out by highly-coordinated hardened militants who even received clandestine state support as listed in the paragraph above, but by a handful of disaffected lone wolves who wouldn't be able to find their own ass even if they were given a map.

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anybody know any alternate rows of heads that include Luxemburg, Bordiga, other non-MLs?

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True Communism for the socialist sports and workers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers%27_Sport_International

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapoel

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/pol/ rehabilitation general 1

Dice rollRolled 204 (1d1024)

As you know a lot of our recruitment comes from the more intelligent of the cesspool of 8pol and occasionally 4pol that decided to read a fucking book for once,

This is a thread for polyps questioning their racial spooks and misguided rage at the capitalist machine that is causing a lot of the 'degeneracy' they see.

I'd like to keep this thread as a Q/A type zone for polacks to contain their autism on leftypol to one place where they can ask questions/seek help/learn basic theory then be guided on a path to enlightenment and a better self.

Don't be absolute dicks to the polyps that come to these threads unless it's warranted-I.e they start flaming or shitposting hardcore. We know many of leftypol is former pol converts so I think it's important we begin to organize our rehabilitation program into one thread rather then have like 10 anchored pol sperg out threads in the catalogue at any one time.

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>We should not be subjecting children's brains to WiFi

was she right?

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What's the most convincing argument against leftism?

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Tell me about these two. Were they actually MLs? What is Castroism/Guevarism? Did they write any good theory besides guerilla warfare?

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How the Internet keeps us safe from people like Thomas Friedman

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/10/14/frie-o14.html

By Andre Damon

14 October 2017

>There are few public figures more justifiably reviled by thinking people than Thomas Friedman. As a columnist for the New York Times, Friedman has served as a propagandist for every war the United States has started over the past two decades, from the bombing of Serbia, to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, to the “regime change” operations in Libya and Syria.

>It was Friedman who infamously declared, hailing the US bombing campaign in Yugoslavia, “The hidden hand of the market will never work without the hidden fist—McDonald's cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the builder of the F-15.”

>Friedman’s malice is outdone only by his stupidity. Former Times journalist Chris Hedges summed up Friedman’s persona when he recently noted in a WSWS interview that he might as well be writing for the satirical publication, The Onion.

>Friedman’s columns consist of pretentious, pseudo-intellectual rants worthy of Shakespeare’s Polonius. In his public appearances, he gives the impression of a small-town police chief who has gone mad and proclaimed himself a world-class intellectual, and whom everybody is humouring as a malicious prank.

>But like the proverbial holy fool, Friedman’s tirades often spell out his reactionary arguments more directly than those of his smarter co-thinkers, who have the sense to speak with more reserve.

>Such is the case with Friedman’s latest column, “From Russia with Poison,” in which he serves as a cheerleader for Senator Mark Warner and Congressman Adam Schiff, who have spent the last several months hounding Facebook and Twitter into confessing that they were unwitting accomplices in Russia’s attempt to subvert the 2016 US election.

>In so doing, Friedman spells out a sweeping justification for state censorship that makes clear the deeply authoritarian impulses behind the hysteria whipped up by the Democrats, the Washington Post, and the New York Times against Russian “fake news,” used by the social media companies and Google as the framework for censoring oppositional views.

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Save us we are dying the power is getting cut so i don't know how long i will have internet.

send help come and save kurdistan comrades get a plane ticket and get over here.

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>Trump will keep us out of World wa–

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Communism in Hollywood

The workers in the film industry were legit socialists and communists. It's been nearly 70 years since the end of McCarthyism and the black list. Will we ever see real leftists and not shitlibs get a foothold in the industry again?

Also, what the fuck is wrong with the modern day Writer's Guild? They can and should be sneaking in more subversion in all of their prestige tv shows or whatever. The revolution can be a Netflix original.

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How bad does shit have to get in the west before normies become politicized again and stop voting for centrist parties?

I'm fascinated by the Weimar Republic because it was filled with vital politicial struggle in a time when academics and art florished and ideologies clashed. If i could travel back in time it would be Berlin in the 20s. Today everything is just a fucking post-ideological micromanagement by the ruling class to merely keep things how they are.

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Is there really any contradiction between individual diactatorship and class diactatorship? Hitler was an individual diactator but Nazi germany was still a ruled by the bourgoise.

Pic unrelated.

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Cocaine Massacre

Colombian Security Forces ‘Massacre’ Coca Farmers Under Pressure From Trump

In a grim display of violence, Colombian security forces opened fire on demonstrating farmers last week in southwest Nariño state.

The farmers were protesting the eradication of their coca fields when the shootings occurred.

The actual number of dead and injured remains in dispute. The Prosecutor’s Office puts the number at seven dead and 30 wounded. Rights groups representing the farmers put the tally at 16 dead and more than 50 wounded.

And the death count might be even higher. Families report several people are still missing, including a 13-year-old boy. Victims allege police are “hiding evidence,” and that additional corpses have yet to be recovered from the scene of the “massacre.”

The bloodshed comes on the heels of the Trump administration pressuring Colombia to cut cocaine production levels or face steep consequences. The attack could also jeopardize the already shaky peace process between Bogotá and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), the nation’s largest rebel group.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/colombian-security-forces-massacre-coca-farmers-under-pressure-from-trump

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Why does the left in general seem to be less /fit/?

With few exceptions it seems lik

e the left in general isn't a huge fan of physical fitness. I know the right also has some fat larping slobs as well but overall I think it's hard to deny the right seems more masculine and fit

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Jim's shilling his shitty right-wing circle jerk YouTube stream on everyone's boards. Why not go tell him what you think of his shitty rigged Ponzi scheme of a site?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI26HrQm0Ik

(Oh by the way Jim, don't bother trying to IP ban me; I'm behind seven proxies).

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Did Afghanistan deserve it?

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Has anybody read this?

Is it worth a read?

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Redpill me on Gaddafi

Good or bad?

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GIVE ME YOUR RARE TITOS

Please and thanks.

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What's the point of having these highly specific ideologies? Can't I be a barebones, non sectarian socialist?

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Leftist Elitism

Why do leftists turn elitist, and try to censor opposing opinions once they get to power.

Kalergie himself admired the communist states for beeing "a small crowd of communist-intellectual aristocrats" (Praktischer Idealismus S.33).

So when and why did the left turn out this way?

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Muke is back and he's continuing his crusade against the skeptics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvVfmvN3H4o

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FREE DERRY

This is an IRA thread

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Well /pol/, is he right? Does intelligence measurement denial serve those on top by shielding them from critique and sabotage left wing politics by divorcing it from reality and giving it an incomplete and deluded view of the world it's trying to change? Well? Or is this Wyte boi a crypto-fascist pushing 19th century junk science?

https://youtu.be/EMvVHueeg0E

(49:53)

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/liberal/

Why can't anyone in the right (classical liberal, alt right, fascist/nationalist, basic bitch conservative, etc.) tell liberals from the far left? Is it because of the cultural marxism meme? Does J Petersen legitimately think that liberals/sjws are 'secret marxists' or something? He's obviously smart enough to get a Phd, has he read any political theory outside Orwell and Solzhenitsyn?

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There lived a certain man

In Deutschland long ago

he was big and strong

in his eyes a flaming glow

Porky looked at him

with terror and with fear

But to Bolsheviks he was such a lovely dear.

He could teach the Econ

like a preacher

Full of philosophy and fire

But he also

was the kind of thinker

the workers would desire

PRO PRO PROPERTY

Mankind's great catastrophe

what rights we had now

surely were gone

PRO PRO PROPERTY

Robber of all man's dignity

It was a shame how

It carried on

''But when his thinking and writing and his hunger

for cigars became known to more and more people

the demands to do something about this outrageous

Moor became louder and louder.''

"This Commie's got to go!" declared his enemies

But the workers begged "Don't you try to do it, please"

No doubt this Manifest had lots of hidden charms

Though he was a brute Engels fell into his arms

Then one night some men of higher standing

wrote to him, "We're not to blame"

"Come to dethrone us" they kept demanding

And he really came

PRO PRO PROPERTY

Keeps them all in tyranny,

Over workers til the end of time

PRO PRO PROPERTY

Russia's greatest enemy

They killed the Tsar and then they were fine :^)

PRO PRO PROPERTY

Enslaves the workers endlessly

They didn't quit, they wanted it dead

PRO PRO PROPERTY

Our planet's greatest enemy

And so they revolted till it was dead

Oh, those Workers…

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How's the Young Karl Marx?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz-1BLjQlHo

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who here marxism-boarism?

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Camus confirmed for /our guy/

http://dbanach.com/sisyphus.htm

>If this myth is tragic, that is because its hero is conscious. Where would his torture be, indeed, if at every step the hope of succeeding upheld him? The workman of today works everyday in his life at the same tasks, and his fate is no less absurd. But it is tragic only at the rare moments when it becomes conscious. Sisyphus, proletarian of the gods, powerless and rebellious, knows the whole extent of his wretched condition: it is what he thinks of during his descent. The lucidity that was to constitute his torture at the same time crowns his victory. There is no fate that can not be surmounted by scorn.

>If the descent is thus sometimes performed in sorrow, it can also take place in joy. This word is not too much. Again I fancy Sisyphus returning toward his rock, and the sorrow was in the beginning. When the images of earth cling too tightly to memory, when the call of happiness becomes too insistent, it happens that melancholy arises in man's heart: this is the rock's victory, this is the rock itself. The boundless grief is too heavy to bear. These are our nights of Gethsemane. But crushing truths perish from being acknowledged. Thus, Edipus at the outset obeys fate without knowing it. But from the moment he knows, his tragedy begins. Yet at the same moment, blind and desperate, he realizes that the only bond linking him to the world is the cool hand of a girl. Then a tremendous remark rings out: "Despite so many ordeals, my advanced age and the nobility of my soul make me conclude that all is well." Sophocles' Edipus, like Dostoevsky's Kirilov, thus gives the recipe for the absurd victory. Ancient wisdom confirms modern heroism.

Let's talk about Absurdism now, What if all sort of political struggle absurd? What if the correct way of action is acceleration, If there is one thing we can testify thanks to our inherent sectarianism, is that no one can actually transform our current society, or else we would see said transformation already.

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International Red Help

Your thoughts about this organization?

https://rhisri.secoursrouge.org/

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/pol/

/pol/ack here to breath new air and explore the deep seawaters of the other side

Educate me about your culture and political opinion, let's see what we have in common and what differences us

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Neolib hate thread

I'm sick of all the infighting. Let's take a moment to laugh at libs. The neoliberal subreddit is a good source for cringe.

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>He fell for the "transitional period" meme

how exactly do we fix this shitty meme? it's even worse when they justify their delusions with "theory"

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/anti-soviet-warrior-puts-his-army-on-the-road-to-peace-the-saudi-businessman-who-recruited-mujahedin-1465715.html

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Anyone else here De Leonist Master Race?

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Smedley Butler

Thoughts on this man?

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Nick Land

What did Nick Land actually believe in?

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What's their political ideology?

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'Murica Thread

There's a lot of hate for the United States around these parts, but I think that this is somewhat counter productive. I happen to love my country (just not its government or corporations), and think that its robust, albeit small, tradition of socialist activism deserves more attention.

ITT: Post about the BPP, ARU, SDS, IWW, Fred Hampton, Angela Davis, Eugene Debs, Daniel De Leon, Smedley Butler, and other based af Americans. Anything else positive about America is also welcome.

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>"The government is corrupt, fails to institute proper disaster plans and healthcare, and commits international and national abuses on a daily basis."

>"That's why the government should be as small as possible and stay out of things like healthcare, companies can do it better."

Every day I hear people that get so close, yet end up completely off mark.

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In 2001 Venezuela was the richest country in South America; it is now among the poorest

>EVERY weekday morning, a queue of several dozen forlorn people forms outside the dingy headquarters of SAIME, Venezuela’s passport agency. As shortages and violence have made life in the country less bearable, more people are applying for passports so they can go somewhere else. Most will be turned away. The government ran out of plastic for laminating new passports in September. “I’ve just been told I might need to wait eight months!” says Martín, a frustrated applicant. A $250 bribe would shorten the wait.

>As desperation rises, so does the intransigence of Venezuela’s “Bolivarian” regime, whose policies have ruined the economy and sabotaged democracy. The economy shrank by 18.6% last year, according to an estimate by the central bank, leaked this month to Reuters, a news agency (see chart). Inflation was 800%.

>These are provisional figures, subject to revision. They may never be published (the central bank stopped reporting complete economic data more than a year ago). The inflation estimate is close to that of the IMF, which expects consumer prices to rise by 2,200% this year. The Economist Intelligence Unit, a sister company of The Economist, puts last year’s economic contraction at 13.7%. That is still much sharper than the decline in Greece’s output at the height of the euro crisis. In 2001 Venezuela was the richest country in South America; it is now among the poorest.

What do? Non-meme answers please.

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>Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years'

How accurate is this quote? Did mao even did anything wrong and why people say he killed more than stalin.

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what if we automate so much of our industry that we eventually wind up accidentally creating strong AI

will there be robot rebellions similar to that shitty animatrix short ?

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Alright leftcoms, it's time to explain yourselves.

Concerning the majority of leftcom principles, you barely find any information on the internet. Stuff like organic centralism or spontaneous revolution is barely - if at all - explained, or maybe I have just read the wrong sources. Whatever the case, from my limited observations those ideas seem a little obscure.

Anyways, to me leftcom posters always seemed, in spite of their occasional arrogance, like rather well-read and intelligent people, so I struggle to believe that the general conception of leftcom (specifically bordigist) theories("the absolute armchair", "literally do nothing" etc.) is accurate.

And no, I will not just "read Bordiga". Convince me of the value of your positions, and I shall do so, but not without you giving me a proper reason. My time is limited, and I have a lot of other stuff yet to read.

TL, DR: leftcoms (specifically bordigists), give me a crash course on your positions, without directing me to some tomes of yours.

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Daily News Thread 10/14

Islamic State faces imminent Raqqa defeat, Syrian YPG says

Islamic State is on the verge of defeat in Raqqa, once its de facto Syrian capital, and the city may finally be cleared of the jihadists on Saturday or Sunday, the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia told Reuters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-raqqa/islamic-state-faces-imminent-raqqa-defeat-syrian-ypg-says-idUSKBN1CJ04R

Syrian troops capture ISIS stronghold Al Mayadeen amid major offensive

Syrian troops have entered Al-Mayadeen in Deir ez-Zor province, one of the last strongholds still remaining in the hands of Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL), a military source told SANA state news agency.

https://www.rt.com/news/406686-syrian-troops-capture-mayadeen-sana/

U.S.-led coalition says 100 IS fighters in Raqqa surrendered in last 24 hours: spokesman

Around 100 Islamic State fighters have surrendered in Syria’s Raqqa in the last 24 hours and were “removed from the city”, a spokesman for the U.S-led coalition against Islamic State told Reuters on Saturday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-raqqa-coalition/u-s-led-coalition-says-100-is-fighters-in-raqqa-surrendered-in-last-24-hours-spokesman-idUSKBN1CJ06I?il=0

Damascus demands ‘immediate & unconditional’ pullout of Turkish troops from northwest Syria

Syria demands an immediate pullout of Turkish troops, whose deployment to Idlib province amounts to “flagrant aggression,” the Syrian Foreign Ministry said as quoted by SANA.

https://www.rt.com/news/406690-damascus-demands-turkish-troops-out/

Iraq conflict: Kurdish Peshmerga 'given deadline' in Kirkuk

Kurdish Peshmerga fighters say Iraq's central government has ordered them to surrender key military positions in the disputed city of Kirkuk within hours.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41621754

Iran nuclear deal: Global powers stand by pact despite Trump threat

Global powers, including key US allies, have said they will stand by the Iran nuclear deal which US President Donald Trump has threatened to tear apart.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-41618165

China confirms will amend party constitution, likely to include Xi's theories

China’s ruling party has agreed to amend the party constitution, expected to embed President Xi Jinping’s political thought, ahead of next week’s five-yearly party congress in which Xi will further tighten his grip on power.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-china-congress/china-confirms-will-amend-party-constitution-likely-to-include-xis-theories-idUKKBN1CJ0EB

French agent accidentally texts radical Islamist suspect he was spying on

Sending a text to the wrong person can be embarrassing in any circumstances, but imagine how one French operative felt when he realized he’d mistakenly sent a message to a suspected Islamist radical he was collecting data on.

https://www.rt.com/news/406645-france-islamist-text-message/

Austrians Lean Toward Nationalist Government Led by a Millennial

Austrians profiting from the fastest economic growth in six years look likely to ditch their current coalition in favor of a new government backed by anti-immigration nationalists and headed by the world’s youngest leader.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-14/austrians-lean-toward-nationalist-government-led-by-a-millennial

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>implying there is any real ideology that actually gives a shit about the masses

>Implying you all don't just want power for your party

>Implying communism is anything more than a small clique controlling everyone

For sure I'm going to fight in the revolution to work under a commissar instead of a capitalist! Amazing!

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USSR

It really doesn't matter if the USSR was socialist with flaws of not socialist beause of the flaws. As long as we acknowledge those flaws and the fact we need to that we need to learn from the USSR's successes and failures it doesn't matter if they were socialist or not. The only incorrect positions would be "it wasn't socialist so I don't have to think about it or learn from it" or "It was perfect and we should just do the exact same thing again.

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why did he like stalin so much ?

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What's this? A bunch of 4s?

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Lenin's Imperialism in the 21st Century

So there is a new book out which is a compilation of multiple authors who investigate modern imperialism from a Leninist viewpoint.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/Lenins-Imperialism-in-the-21st-Century-New-Book-Explores-1917-Classic-100-Years-Later-20170720-0014.html

Anybody cares to order, maybe someone has a pdf? It sounds interesting. It's just 5$.

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Is she right when she says this?

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This post doesn't make any fucking sense.

Like what the fuck. How can the two things contrast eachother and how imperialism is not related to class struggle?

Stupidest cunt ever, makes mexie and contrapoints (if we can consider it a her) looks smart

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>right wing video

>like/dislike ratio is 20:1,13:1,15:1, ect

>left wing video (actual, not tumblr faggotry)

>like/dislike ratio is 5:1, 6:1, 7:1, and in some cases 3:2, 4:3 (see: badmouseproductions)

We are losing the culture war.

Which begs the question. Why are there so many rightwing class cucks in the west?

the future for leftism looks bleak lads…

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dai_Hong_Dan_incident

Top Fucking Kek

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This post doesn't make any fucking sense.

Like what the fuck. How can the two things contrast eachother and how imperialism is not related to class struggle?

Stupidest cunt ever, makes mexie and contrapoints (if we can consider it a her) looks smart

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So volume II of Kotkin's Stalin biography is coming out at the end of the month, and it's really long (1000+ pages). Has anyone here read the first one? How is it?

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Anybody here know how to program/code/make apps to a pretty high standard and willing to work on a fairly large leftist project? Don't really want to disclose what on here, nothing illegal, in the area of worker organisation, preferably you would be UK based but its not 100% necessary.

I have an idea for what I believe to be a good organising strategy, I just have no tech skills and it requires them. I need somebody to cover the tech side while I do the on the ground IRL stuff, I already have workers ready to be organised that I am in contact with through the IWW

I don't want timewasters or half assers, if you are interested in exploring potentially revolutionary applications for technology and are willing to put some time (probably at least two or three months initially, if it works out there clear potential to get full time work out of it) in to do something that could actually make a difference, I'd like to hear from you.

I'm currently looking for people IRL as well, but I thought I'd shoot it up here as I assume there must be some tech heads around.

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Liberals

Why do leftists hate liberals and try to make the distinction between the two? why are we opposed to them?

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Absolutely kino.

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/debs/

https://www.marxists.org/archive/debs/works/1918/court.htm

>I am thinking this morning of the men in the mills and the factories; of the men in the mines and on the railroads. I am thinking of the women who for a paltry wage are compelled to work out their barren lives; of the little children who in this system are robbed of their childhood and in their tender years are seized in the remorseless grasp of Mammon and forced into the industrial dungeons, there to feed the monster machines while they themselves are being starved and stunted, body and soul. I see them dwarfed and diseased and their little lives broken and blasted because in this high noon of Christian civilization money is still so much more important than the flesh and blood of childhood. In very truth gold is god today and rules with pitiless sway in the affairs of men.

>I believe, Your Honor, in common with all Socialists, that this nation ought to own and control its own industries. I believe, as all Socialists do, that all things that are jointly needed and used ought to be jointly owned—that industry, the basis of our social life, instead of being the private property of a few and operated for their enrichment, ought to be the common property of all, democratically administered in the interest of all…

>I am opposing a social order in which it is possible for one man who does absolutely nothing that is useful to amass a fortune of hundreds of millions of dollars, while millions of men and women who work all the days of their lives secure barely enough for a wretched existence.

<Your Honor, I ask no mercy and I plead for no immunity. I realize that finally the right must prevail. I never so clearly comprehended as now the great struggle between the powers of greed and exploitation on the one hand and upon the other the rising hosts of industrial freedom and social justice.

<I can see the dawn of the better day for humanity. The people are awakening. In due time they will and must come to their own.

<When the mariner, sailing over tropic seas, looks for relief from his weary watch, he turns his eyes toward the southern cross, burning luridly above the tempest-vexed ocean. As the midnight approaches, the southern cross begins to bend, the whirling worlds change their places, and with starry finger-points the Almighty marks the passage of time upon the dial of the universe, and though no bell may beat the glad tidings, the lookout knows that the midnight is passing and that relief and rest are close at hand. Let the people everywhere take heart of hope, for the cross is bending, the midnight is passing, and joy cometh with the morning.

What does /leftypol/ think of Eugene Debs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs

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Wow… did you guys know anti-pedo is a codeword for deeply triggering and problematic? This is really making me ponder.

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Is there nothing more snobbish and obnoxious than a self-declared socialist or leftist of any kind being "anti-American"? A person who thinks America is the root of all evil around the world and thinks we exist in a unipolar world.

It's one thing to be reasonably critical of a nation or culture, it's another to dismiss them as being wholly erroneous.

There are people here who unironically think Cuba, North Korea and China hold more moral value and contributed more to society than America ever did.

If you think so, please leave because even Marx and Engels liked America.

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"In America, we don't worship government – we worship God."

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/918849609140596737

Is that true, Americans? What do you have to say for yourselves? 🤔

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Why are communists so obsessed command economy when market socialism would abolish both classes and have all the benefits of market economy?

>inb4 its capitalism

No it isnt. Workers would literally own the means of production instead of the state bureaucrats.

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Anarchist Discord Server Invite

https://discord.gg/s5A26BW

Join the Anarchist Hangout! We are 400+ members and growing, we have an amazing community and would love to add more people to it!

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It's time for reviving Rote Armee Fraktion. World needs true anticapitalist and antiimperialist violence. Reactionists and right wingers can't lead this fight because of their blindness.

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Did the USSR have commodity production?

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>Markets

>Socialism

Can someone tell me what the fuck on EARTH they mean by this?

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planned economy

Is planned economy really necessary and only viable/realistic step available to us after sezing the means of production?

I can see how centrally planned economy might work under wartime. People's necessities will be rationed and there would be no room for variablity so planning step itself would be much more easier. Even if the plan fails (fail as in failing to accomodate rather minor issues like failing to feed people healthy amount of diet not failing to prevent death by starvation of millinos) people will generally accept the situation and learn to live with it but I don't think this can go on for so long.

If the state (or whatever entity is making the decision) fails repeatedly to meet the needs of people, they will naturally turn to illegal economy. I read it happened in CCCP, China under great leap forward and DPRK. This kind of lead me to wonder whether all vanguardists believe in planned economy or not .

I'm not trying to b8 market socialism here. Markets are as stupid as economy theory if not more and introducing intervention to market for correction is no better than fucking neolib American government.

What alternatives are worth considering?

https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-7/lrs-ussr-economy.htm

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-black-market-entrepreneurs-thrive-in-north-korea-20170426-gvsjov.html

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why don't capitalist countries just abolish private banking? this seems like the easiest way to prevent inevitable economic recessions that happen due to private debt.

also the neoliberals can't complain about "muh free markets" because once you pay off your debt, your purchase becomes private property.

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Maoism in the Western World

Why were there so many Maoist activists in '70s and '80s Europe and America? What was the point of endorsing Mao Zedong Thought in a part of the world where the peasantry barely existed anymore?

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The left: power to the people

Also the left: if people hear about fascism, they'll choose it

How to resolve this contradiction?

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eugenic gommunism

Why do right wing conservatards like Alex Jones and co. pin eugenics on Socialists?

Socialism is the very opposite of Eugenic practices,

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Sex bots

How do you side on the question of sex bots?

There's been a growing number of people, especially in the mainstream, advocating against adoption of such technology as it may erode current gender and social balance, or have negative impact on how women are perceived.

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How did you find out that youre brainwashed and your ideology is a scam?

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What are some practical mechanisms you can keep in place to stop SJWs from overrunning your organization?

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Even the pengiuns are alienated

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4976892/Penguin-loved-cardboard-cut-dies-it.html

Penguin who fell in love with a cardboard cut-out of a cartoon character dies with his beloved 'girlfriend' by his side: Zoo places poorly bird with object of his affection as he passes away

>Grape-kun fell in love with a carboard cutout placed in his pen for ad campaign

>The 20-year-old penguin became devastated when staff tried to remove it

>Staff at Tobu Zoo in Miyashiro, Japan has revealed Grape-kun died Thursday

>In a tweet they revealed that anime cutout had been with him 'until the end'

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Lets convince alex jones that the furry fandom is a US plot.

Goys, the mods took my 4chan thread down, so I'm bringing the idea here. We should convince Alex Jones that furries are a part of the government human/animal chimera project he likes to rant about. We can do this by saying they exist to normalize the idea, and the Infowars staff can be contacted through the website itself. to convince them we should send emails to infowars and spread the theory on conspiracy sites.