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Moderator Feedback Thread

This thread is dedicated to the discussion of /leftypol/ moderation, both as a matter of direction and accountability for individual actions.

If you see a thread deleted or moderated in a way that you think is unfair, please post ITT, preferably with evidence or a detailed description of it. This won't guarantee a reversal, but it will help bring it to my attention. Volunteers who turn out to be repeat offenders and refuse to learn will have their accounts removed. You can also monitor our actions here:



As well, Volunteers who can't decide what to do about something should post ITT to get feedback before acting.

NOTE: This thread is not for the discussion of the recent potential migration announcement. You are allowed to discuss the matter, just not in this thread.

Apparently the last thread got inadvertently deleted. No it was not an act of suppression. I just spilled greasy pocket cheese all over my keyboard, and in the ensuing hurt and confusion, accidents happened. My sincerest apologies orz

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Just a reminder to our users that if anything happen to 8ch or /leftypol/ please go to https://www.bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol

It is our bunker in case of an emergency

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/leftypol/ reading list

Official /leftypol/ reading list

In this thread, various members of the community have listed recommended literature regarding leftism, i.e. economics, political theory, philosophy and other subjects related to leftism. Some recommendations are for starters, or for those in advanced literature.


/Leftypol/ has many ideologies, Marxist, Anarchist, Left-com, etc. so there is a variety of different literature with different viewpoints.

Reading literature is recommended, as it helps you understand leftism better and is much better than reading Wikipedia synopses.

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FAQ (READ THIS if you're from /pol/ or reddit)

Hello and welcome to /leftypol/. Please check the board tags for related boards. These are our groups:





/leftypol/'s magazine:


Other leftist chans/backups:




>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects of leftism are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums would tend to ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

>I'm not a leftist can I post here?

/leftypol/ welcomes debate from non-leftists. Non-leftists frequently come here to ask questions and raise topics for debate. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up.

>Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Obama? Are you all Zionists???

While there are a few liberals here, the majority of posters on /leftypol/ are radical left. They may still be socially liberal, but their economic stances are decidedly not liberal, and likely heavily opposed to the liberal order. As an extension of this, posters here are opposed to "SJWs," because they see them as economically liberal, and socially oppressive. Stances on Obama here range from indifferent, to angry– and the only poster here who shills for Democrats still does so under the premise that they're a lesser evil.

As for Israel, leftism is anti-Zionist. It is not anti-Jew. Unlike /pol/, /leftypol/ fully supports Palestinians, and doesn't think they're "mudslimes."

Pretending to be an SJW or Zionist will very likely get you banned.

>Why did you leave /pol/ and why does this board exist?

We may have "left /pol/," but /pol/ never left us. Since /leftypol/ is so prominent on such a /pol/-dominated website, a lot of debate here comes from /pol/ visitors who are interested in learning about leftism. You are more much more likely to find right wing posters on /leftypol/ than you are to find left wing posters on /pol/. /leftypol/ exists to help the 8chan community focus on leftist topics without being slid or flooded to death.

>Do you support gun control?

While posters on /leftypol/ have varying stances on gun control (training requirements, mental health checks, etc.), they are overwhelmingly in favor of arming the proletariat, and are against banning guns. Famous leftist heroes such as Marx, Orwell, and Huey P. Newton were all pro-gun.

>Do you support "national" socialism?

There are a few posters here who believe that "national" socialism is or can be a leftist stance, but Strasserism and NatSoc are generally regarded as a joke here. You're better off being honest that Nazism is right-wing. Attempting to cloak your hatred for foreigners and other races in pro-worker rhetoric, or similar ploys, might get you banned.

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Heineken Worlds Apart


Thoughts about this commercial?

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Melenchon has lost. Press F to pay respects

Because of his lost and Macron's likely win next month, all frog leftypolers must vote for le pen to spite the neoliberal establishment.


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Political compass/8values thread?

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>Let's uphold Social Democracy ideal!

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Any other egocoms here? If so, in what way do you interpret the idea of "egoist-communism?"

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Is Yvette felarca based?

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Snap elections edition

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Wage slave greentext stories general

>work as a CNA in a fuckhuge retirement home

>It's time for the quarterly allstaff meeting, this time they are reviewing the employee survey they took last month

>The president himself is presenting the results, which he decided to start doing recently to make the place more communicative or whatever

>Everything is going OK unitil he reaches the PowerPoint slide that reads: I am fairly compensated → 6% yes, 94% no

>He immediately starts rationalizing, saying we are paid competitive rates, and they provide benifits and shit so its Ok, and we pay everyone according to what they bring to the table

>Janitor randomly goes: so how much they paying you?

>He doesn't respond and goes on to the next slide

>Janitor says it again: "Hey how much they paying you? You say they pay everyone fairly, how much they paying you"

>President gets extremely flustered "Okay so we're moving on"

>And then my dumb ass go "Let's hear it Howard, how much are they paying you?"

>Janitor starts jeering some more, some other people join in, the scene is a bit surreal, and the admin hr assholes are too flustered to do anything

>President claps his hands together, yells into the mic "OK everyone the allstaff meeting is adjourned"

>Get a notice of insubordination

>Fired the next day

I know that that was a long and dumb story but it was my first time I was class warfare before my eyes and I am still a bit giddy about it, even if now I'm fired and my partner wants me to find a job again immediately so we don't fall behind on rent

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Socialist Patriotism

I'm a burger and I think this is the only way to convince the vast majority of people that socialism is actually pro-American.

The left in its current state is only concerned with negating the prevailing social order, and while this is nice for critiques, it is shit for convincing people that an alternative is available. I think in all cases, the socialist countries that lasted the longest were the ones that instilled this sense of socialist patriotism.

Its the only way to destroy the right wing for good. You have to turn that anti-immigrant rhetoric on its head. In other words, shouting "no borders" is a stupid slogan because it doesn't tell people what you stand for – only what you are against. By mindlessly shouting about 'borders' people can't tell if you're an actual commie or just some neolib pushing for more globalization. There's other issues too where I see this happen and I think its due to this obsession with 'negating' everything.

Socialists win when they put their best foot forward and present a positive political program.


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How do you deal with classcucks and their vapid arguments? Please, I'm starting to go insane.

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New New Rojava General

For some reason, the old thread is broken.

Reading material on Rojava:


Videos on Rojava:

>Documentary Of Rojava Revolution "ROZA - THE COUNTRY OF TWO RİVERS"


>Foreigners Fighting ISIS in Syria: The War of Others


Join the Revolution:


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What a fucking neoliberal puppet this Macron limpdick.

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How do you view website owners who make millions of dollars from ads, subscription fees, ..etc?

1- owners who coded the site themselves

2- owners who hire coders to implement the idea and add more features

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Secret Political Ideology Catgirls Comic Collaboration Spoiler Fun Thread


Every post besides this may have spoilers!

This is a thread for collaboration on catgirls comics. This could be a good way to make learning about theory entertaining. I have no idea how it'll turn out, but it's worth a try. If it doesn't work out, I'll keep going for a few months anyway. The self-imposed deadline is on the 1st and 15th of every month.

Please spoiler all relevant contributions and discussion. You can use saging to keep this thread off the front page more and make it more secret. This shows how to spoiler text: https://8ch.net/faq.html

You can't spoiler whole posts, do it for each line of text.

This needs drawfags, writefags, and theoryfags. Maybe there could be a way to signal for more specific theory so theoryfags don't have to get spoilers to participate, like not spoilering some theory-related question.

A basic production pipeline to use: Start with an idea, then flesh it out with discussion and contributions until it gets to be a complete script. Then draw the comic for that script, with potentially a storyboard in between.

There should be some kind of quality control. A starting guideline is for every comic to have at least two funny parts and at least one interesting point of theory or social commentary, but this is just a guideline. It's good to use simple responses for approving and disapproving contributions, like yea or nay, or something like that.

Here's a pastebin that will be updated to organize things. It will have spoilers! https://pastebin.com/ELtaQupi

The creative process can be unappetizing. Gruesome, even. If you don't want to see how the sausage is made, then don't look in the kitchen!

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Hey /leftypol/, I'm still relatively new to Marxism and have learned a lot lurking and reading. Do you guys mind helping me figure out which branches of communism might be a good fit for me & I should read up more on?

I'm anti - vanguard party, tankies, accelerationism, activism, armchair

The praxis that appeal to me the most is dual power & study groups. I'm pro-gun and I don't believe in violent revolution until the government starts trying to dismantle said dual power.

The part I'm most conflicted on is reform. I don't like socdems. I do however feel there might be merit in worker co-ops as a method of raising class consciousness. I could still be convinced either way on that.

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Much better.

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e-celebs, internet drama, feels, fetishes, and so on

EDIT: This is a voluntary containment thread for stuff that is barely related to politics/philosophy/etc. Users are encouraged to self-police e-celeb drama by using sage and linking to this thread, but "board culture" threads aren't banned.

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What does someone's opinions on the star wars franchise say about their political views?

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Propaganda Packaged as Entertainment

Why do people willingly watch this shit? My family watches this sometimes and it seems solely designed to try and rehabilitate porky's image.

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Why socialists should push for MORE consumerism, not less

Consumerism isn't something socialists should fight against, but something we should be promoting on the basis that it can make the masses more revolutionary. First of all, demanding that everyone lives in a minimalist way AKA lifestylism on steroids is 1. classist (since it amounts to poverty tourism) and 2. makes people more satisfied with the status quo since if they're living happily with very little wants they'll be far less likely to rebel. The whole "bring yourself down to the level of the lowest in order to clean your mind" is post-Maoist nonsense. In fact, the opposite is true: it's only when the middle class realizes they CAN'T obtain all of their desired luxuries under capitalism that they'll want to rebel, or at least move towards socialism.

We should be encouraging the working class to buy more and more useless junk because it will wake them up to the limits of capitalism. Rallying against "consumerism" only helps capitalism's longevity.

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hispanic confederation

i was thinking with a friend who also lurks here about an hispanoamerican confederation.

the states will be divided by the geography and/or the culture, erasing almost every nation and turning them into just "i'm from cordoba and there we drink fernet". if a state want's to make idpol with the culture of the territory like, no taxes on wine or polygamy, then it's ok.

the confederation will have a constitution, but every state will have its own laws and taxes and public administration, that also means it's own police, hospitals n shit.

the national government will just act when a state don't follow the constitution, taking it down and calling to elections there. and in international situations.

the constitution will guarantee individual freedoms (like gun ownership, free speak) and workers rights (like public health)

>what are the benefits of being in the confederation

1 big army to fight against the interventionist

coups are harder (we had more than enough)

1 big currency

a fight together against the international economic potencies

a fight together against the narcos or supporting them sending drugs to the USA LOL


>how is going to be the constitution/national currency administration?

we didn't talk'd about it, and i don't figure out whats the best way of national public administration. what about if we write the constitution together /leftypol/?

>this is statism and it will lead to authoritarianism!

well, we didn't write the constitution and we want small federal states, but big enough to maintain public college n shit.

if you want to prevent authoritarianism then help us to write the constitution

>this wont work because i say so

one time i heard the phrase "the present is the best history sketchbook"

we wont know how it will work if we don't try it

>why don't you do a latin american confederation?

well, the language barrier is bigger than you think, latin america isn't yogoslavia, and i don't want it to end like that ;_;


andate a la mierda

BTW help us to design the flag

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itt we post at the intersection between leftism and architecture/fashion/industrial design

That includes, but isn't limited to: your favourite Soviet-era architecture, eco-friendly/resource efficient + beautiful living spaces, industrial designs that don't fit the priorities of capitalist production, pics of comfy spaces free from alienation, architecture directed toward communal living, cool diy shit, gigaprojects that couldn't possibly get funded under capitalism, post-capitalist urban design, pics of chicks and dudes dressing like they've got total freedom of expression and the communal resources to match, relentlessly futuristic shit that's gonna come during the post-revolution golden age of art + science, etc. Plus some solarpunk art too, for the dude who asked for /leftydesign/ in the solarpunk thread.

Also, any book recommendations can go here too. Ursula LeGuin's The Dispossessed and Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy and 2312 are good for establishing the correct mindset to post here.

Basically if it gives you a sense of what a truly free world would be like under full communism, post it here.

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Ideological Survey

Just trying to get an idea of how many of what kind of lefty are on here:


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Finance and Saving

Hi guys,

I'm 18 and I need to get a saving account for uni and a part-time job. But I don't want to get an account with a bank due to my hatred of porkie and I get that it is a necessity so I'm wondering which bank is the least bad

I was thinking nationwide due to it be a building society and everything.


Also general finance thread

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Regardless of how you feel about market socialism, can we agree that Daddy Tito has been the most successful & beloved socialist leader to date?

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College MAGA chud attacks school's cafe with machete

>Two women suffered non-life-threatening injuries. One was taken to a hospital, while the other was treated and released at the scene. Witnesses told local media the suspect shouted "The day of reckoning is here!" as he began his attack.

>"He [Michael Adkins] asked the first girl if she was a Democrat or a Republican. She said Republican. He said okay, then asked some other girl," Michael Soder told Lex 18.

The day of the reckoning is here!


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Was ted kaczynski right about the the psychology of modern leftism

>The two psychological tendencies that underlie modern leftism we call "feelings of inferiority" and "oversocialization." Feelings of inferiority are characteristic of modern leftism as a whole, while oversocialization is characteristic only of a certain segment of modern leftism; but this segment is highly influential.

>By "feelings of inferiority" we mean not only inferiority feelings in the strictest sense but a whole spectrum of related traits: low self-esteem, feelings of powerlessness, depressive tendencies, defeatism, guilt, self-hatred, etc. We argue that modern leftists tend to have such feelings (possibly more or less repressed) and that these feelings are decisive in determining the direction of modern leftism.

I and a lot of other leftist I have meet and talk with feels that way, so was he right?

full text:


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Empirical Marxism

lefties need to learn some math and move away from the continental handwaving b.s. Empirical Marxism IMO is about a scientific and empirical defense of the core theses of Marxism such as the labor theory of value. Furthermore there is economic computability which is about planning the economy using computers. More at:


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Soviet Cybernetics

It's recently come to my attention recently that there are people here interested in the attempts of various computer scientists to introduce cybernetic computerized planning (a model acceptable to most Marxists and anarchists) to the USSR, to improve efficiency and put control in the hands of the workers themselves. We can learn a lot from these pioneers of computerized socialism, seeing as our own society is basically run on the basis of computerized markets - it wouldn't be too big of a leap for most people to imagine democratic planning via computer networks. Besides, even FALC will need some basis for resource allocation.

The problem for Western readers, however, is simply the scarcity of the material in English. Slava Gerovich has published most articles on the matter, but beyond him, details are scarce.

With Google's recent implementation of deep-learning techniques in its translation service between Russian and English, however, it's now feasible to translate whole articles for the most part.

My actual ability to speak Russian is fairly limited in terms of vocabulary, but I've studied a lot of the grammar and verb prepositions. If there's a sentence which you think isn't translating right, I can try to figure it out for you. No guarantees, though.

Here's a good article from Slava, let's start digging up the sources and posting links to the original Russian ones if possible: http://web.mit.edu/slava/homepage/articles/Gerovitch-InterNyet.pdf

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When do the memetic cooperatives start?

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OC Thread

I didn't see one in the catalog, post your shit

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Theory thread? Theory thread.

I'll start with a pasta:

>bohm bawerk

Reminder he got put into retirement by his own student (Bukharin) who was a Marxian economist.

Bukharin begins by saying that his comparison of the two methods is only possible because both share the quality of being “abstract methods”, that is methods which abstract from the concrete details of experience to decipher the universal laws governing this concrete reality. He does this mostly to distinguish the two methods from a third: the historical school of economics which was also en vogue at this time. I have to take issue with Bukharin’s opening point though. It seems to me that Marx’s use of abstraction is not the same as that of the Austrians, the key difference being that for Marx abstractions are understood dialectically, not analytically. I will expand upon this point below. (1)

For Bukharin the difference between the Marxist method and Austrian method is that the former is objective and the latter subjective. This, he says, is because Marx takes the viewpoint of the social and the Austrians the viewpoint of the individual. Marx starts from society and proceeds by causal chain to reveal the determined individual while Bohm-Bawerk and his ilk do just the opposite, beginning with the individual, following a causal chain to the social. This is reflected in their respective theories of value. When Bukharin says that Marx’s value theory is objective it means that the theory expresses the connection between social productive forces and the prices of commodities. Marx is not concerned with individual motivations but only the limits to individual action. Here Bukharin quotes a passage from the Postface to the 2nd edition of Kapital saying that Marx considers “the social movement as a process of natural history governed by laws not only independent of human will, consciousness and intelligence, but rather, on the contrary, determining that will, consciousness and intelligence.”


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Tell me again why you think College Republicans shouldn't have their teeth knocked out?

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OC thread

Starting this off with some fresh OC and an exploitable.

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>pol meetups

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The Anarchists Episode #7: The Fight for Better Wages, Freedom of the Press, and more...


In this episode we talk about the minimum wage and why it's a good idea to raise it, we do a roundup of the latest election news, cover the recent developments in Chechnya, as well as the latest attempts to silence whistleblowers.

Questions and comments welcome.

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So, what is to be done?

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Right-wingers can't even come up with their own ideas.

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I just released this: post modernity is the moment when liberal ideology completely overtook whatever ideology was there before but liberal ideology didn't become dominant until after liberalism had already ran into its ultimate contradictions.

Right now I'm very concerned about what this means for socialism, do we have to archive socialism inside post modernity?

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Daily News Thread 4/29

Fyre Festival's 25-year-old organizer: “This is the worst day of my life”

Fyre Fest’s organizers struggled to contain a debacle that became a national punchline on Friday after leaving hundreds of customers who had paid thousands for a star-studded “luxury” experience stranded on a remote island in battered tents with little food and no one in charge.


Turkish authorities block Wikipedia without giving reason

Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia.


Macron’s campaign accuses RT of spreading ‘fake news,’ dodges requests for clarification

French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron’s campaign team, which rejected accreditation and accused RT of spreading fake news, has literally hung up on the request to clarify why they refuse to honor freedom of the press.


Possible $440 million sale to Israel of naval guns approved: Pentagon

The U.S. State Department has approved a possible sale to Israel of 76mm naval guns and technical support worth an estimated $440 million, a Pentagon agency said on Friday.


Turkish authorities expel more than 3,900 from civil service in latest purge

Turkish authorities have expelled more than 3,900 people from the civil service, military and gendarmerie, the government said in its Official Gazette on Saturday, in what appears to be the latest large-scale purge related to last year's failed coup.


US Marines return to Afghanistan’s Helmand province for first time since 2014

US Marines have returned to Afghanistan’s southernmost Helmand province, which is mostly controlled by the Taliban. The Marines withdrew from the area in October of 2014, and the security situation there has deteriorating over the years.


North Korea test-fires ballistic missile in defiance of world pressure

North Korea test-fired a ballistic missile on Saturday shortly after U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson warned that failure to curb Pyongyang's nuclear and ballistic missile programs could lead to "catastrophic consequences".


Brexit: EU demands 'serious UK response' on citizens' rights

European Council President Donald Tusk has called on the UK to come up with a "serious response" on what will happen to EU citizens in Britain after Brexit.


Armed neo-Nazis prepare for potential clash in small Kentucky town

Hate groups have come to tiny Pikeville in a bid for support, but locals fear a violent standoff between the neo-Nazis and anti-fascist protesters.


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/leftyv/ thread

Can you name more brilliant tactic like paradox have?

>release alpha version of game like final product

>get money

>continue finishing game while adding expensive expansions



Also, what do you think about newest 1.5 update? Is egalitarian + materialist combo commie approved?

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Virginia Democratic Primary Debate

The Virginia democratic primary is a race between Ralph Northam, a clinton shill backed by the party establishment and who voted for Bush twice, and Tom Periello, who is currently endorsed by Sanders and some local DSA chapters. Now, Periello isn't a particular radical, the support from Sanders and the DSA is mostly coming to snub the central state democratic party which is behind the Clinton/McAullife/Northam axis. In policy Periello is your average social democrat pushing for free 2 years of community college, higher minimum wage and more state funded training for workers.

It will be interesting to watch just as a case study of the conflict going on in the democratic part atm.


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what does /leftypol/ think of Richard Wolff?

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What is the modern leftist aesthetic, and why is it casual work wear in a mixture of earth and neutral tones?

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Nick Land

Is it bad that I actually kinda like Nick Land? Not talking about his batshit NRx stuff, but his pre-mental breakdown phase actually is pretty dope at points.

Idk have I just succumbed to a shit meme made flesh or does anyone agree with me?

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maoist here

Why dont yall get some self worth and stop being so faggy?

embrace national-communism

it almost worked in sweden until they started letting muslims in, national-communism can work!

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>tfw you realize that REAL political correctness has nothing to do with liberalism or idpol

>tfw being politically correct literally just means that your political stance is correct according to the science of Marxism-Leninism

wtf… I'm politically correct now?

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Evalion has gone full Nazbol



Her Twitter:


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What's it like being an American in the Trump era? I feel bad for you folk

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Fyre Festival Revival

Fucking Alarcity demon.

A supposed music festival organized by Ja Rule on the ass-end of a Bahamanian island, rich kids have paid about 12k burgerbux for a ticket. They get there, and the accomodations are literally refugee tents, there are feral dogs about, the locals are robbing everyone blind and apprently security isn't much better, and much, much more.

The Twitter live feed is a thing of beauty: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%23fyrefestival

The subleddit too: https://www.reddit.com/r/fyrefestival/

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Why is he so obsessed with progress he is willing to allow cities to exist but claim to be an for ecology?

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Class Consciousness from Across the Ailse

Hey /leftypol/, quick story for you guys with a follow-up question. I know you guys don't like /pol/ coming and shitting up your board, but this isn't bait so hopefully it's fine.

I'm in a chat group with a bunch of various nationalists in my area. When it started off it was awesome. Everyone was on great terms with eachother, everybody agreed on stuff and helped eachother out, etc.. But not too long ago, some big name guy from up north came down abd basically assumed the position of leadership. He's got connections, and is good at organizing, but his opinions are much different than the opinions of most of the group members. Yet he forces his opinions down the throats of others.

Just recently, he got into a spat with one of our long-time members about paying for tickets to an event. Essentially went like this:

>Northerner: If $100 is too much fo some people to pay, they need to step up to the plate. Anybody can change their situation if they work hard enough and stop wallowing in self-pity.

>Long-time member: Really? Need to step up to the plate. I don't know what kind of money you're making, but for many of us in our 20's one hundered dollars is more than nothing. If I could magically make more money I would, but the job market is trash because all the jobs are overseas now. Most jobs are dead-end jobs where you can get layer off any day now and propety costs a fortune.

There was a bit more after that, but that's the initial premise of the conversation. My question to you /leftypol/ is what your opinion is on "traditionalist authoritarians" (best term I can think of as an umbrella term) that are becoming more and more class canscious (besidesthe fact that you think they're spooked). Have there been essays or case studies from the left on this phenomenon. Are fascists and Nazis taking the platform of class-based politics from the left, and how would you respond if leftist organizations became more and more about idpol while "right-wing" ones became the platform of the working-class. There's already a resent for the rich on this side of the aisle. I'm not here to agitate, but rather to promote civil discussion on the matter of class between our two political groups. I would post something like this on 8/pol/, but the mods are cucked beyond measure and only allow happening threads or threads about 123456789D chess (aka mental gymnastics of Trumpites in denail).

Pic semi-related.

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Remember the Future? Hauntology, Modernism and Neoliberalism

The thing that initially got me into leftism, more than anything else, was a weird sense of a future lost. That sense has become much more acute as time went on - definitively, I'd say it petered out in the 1980s as the social democratic consensus collapsed, but as time has gone on the situation has only become more severe - in the 90s there were still some scarce promises for the future, or at least some vision of it via the internet, perhaps caused by the misguided euphoria of the collapse of the USSR. In the popular imagination you could see a United States of Europe, and so on. Now? Everything seems locked into the present. Sure, we've got an abundance of nostalgia, but there's little attempt to actually articulate the present in the manner we've seen from the past. Perhaps it's too awful for us to comprehend? Or perhaps simply too dull.

It's very strange. This runs through all sorts of fields, from architecture to politics to the bizarre question of what the Zeitgeist is. The sheen has even come off third-way managerialism, now there's nothing but dismay. And Trump, the human spectacle.

So I dug back into social democracy to see how I could recover the future, and instead found that capitalism cannot be recovered. But it brings me to my primary question: Do you feel it too? The haunting resonance of futures that simply never came. (I believe this is called "hauntology") For me, I feel it most profoundly as a haunting by the 1970s. The loathed middle-child between the 60s and the 80s is the one I find myself most drawn to spend time with. It's not a deep nostalgia, or an idealisation of the period - the 1970s were miserable - yet they hang over me, the last decade before the year-zero of neoliberalism, the last decade with some vision of the future. Apollo, Concorde. Some vision of science as an engine of progress. To try and put a point on it, perhaps the longing is not for the 1970s, but for the post-1970s promised by the 1970s. Then there's our sense of time being warped - the 80s much closer to now than the 60s felt in the 80s, even though they were now much longer ago… Neoliberalism has driven all of the senses crazy. The end of history does nothing but confuse.

(Mark Fisher's stuff really kickstarted my desire to articulate this feeling, both Capitalist Realism, his blog and Ghosts of my Life. Adam Curtis also seems to get into the same general area, that sense of lost postwar-modernism. Still, much of it goes over my head. Intrinsically I think it's linked to the style of postwar Britain, a sort of utopian, dystopian horror in the way Scarfolk parodies, but I can't see why the rest of the world shouldn't also be haunted by these lost futures.)

I'm sure I had this neatly folded into an essay question, but basically it's just a request for exposition of anything you think is vaguely related, stories, your own thoughts or whatever. I'm fascinated by it, particularly from a perspective that goes outside my own lukewarm social-democratic "roots".

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Comrades, it's time to steal some meme magic.

For reference: https://boards.4chan.org/co/thread/91926689#p91926946

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Let's learn about the Labor Theory Of Value!

We dropped a hot one today chock full of good knowledge for the future proletariat army, check it out!



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could a LePen victory be good for us?

>inp4 /pol/ype shill

hear me out.

a LePen victory will inevitably provoke a shit show the second it gets announced.

the Antifa, blackblock and other lefty will make sure set the whole country on fire.

she won't be able to form any political alliance and will be isolated. and won't have the power to do anything.

the country will be blocked for 5 years (assuming a revolution/civil war doesn't happen).

meanwhile lefty will only grow in numbers.

a lefty gov will inevitably be in charge after her.

second option, Macron.

a liberal, the country will keep working, the lower class will take a hit and right wingers will rise at an exponential rate during his presidency.

the result will be dramatic, after his 5 years LePen will be elected by a large margin, she will have full power to pass any law she wants with little to no opposition.

this is my theory, i'd like to have your opinion.

i'm in no way calling for people to vote for her.

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I unironically think being a leftist has helped me be successful with women. Obviously not with sorority-esque women or the like, but qt hipster girls and smart women.

Imagine being an aut-rightist redpiller and then imagine how unattractive that is to women. They all clearly hate women just because they never get any. It's pretty pathetic, honestly.

I think being well read, articulate, and actually passionate about helping other people in your politics makes you more attractive to women. Anybody else feel this way? Or is it just me?

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What is the general opinion of forming a superstate in America? Could it be possible? How would you go about forming such a country?

Mind you, I have no love for globalism (it has only benefited those who seek to maximize profit at the expense of the little people) but I do understand the merits of establishing a physically large and populous state that would have access to major sources of commodities as well as land, never mind the fact that it could even increase the standard for living for those in poverty by triggering major development projects to take place in many parts of the would-be continental state.

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Hello Continental Philosophers

the enlightenment sure does suck doesnt it?

look at all that oppression.

fucking enlightenment, teaching people to read, not letting babies die, making most people not in poverty, and spreading democracy.

god, such assholes.

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Hypothetical functional scenario training

Someone calls you a “tankie”

How do you react?

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Is Jason Unruhe Schizophrenic?

Apparently Jason claims distant Saami ancestry because a "Shaman" told him he saw a "Native American looking people" in Jason's background. In reality, he has no family stories or documentation to back his claims up, and is full-blooded Irish. His parents deny any Saami ancestry, yet he continues to identify as an "indigenous person" in his videos. Jason is the Saami Rachel Dolezal.

Jason also claims to practice Saami Shamanism despite having no affiliation with legitimate Saami Shamans or any knowledge or background in traditional Saami religious practices, and says he regularly sees ghosts and other disembodied spirits on a daily basis.

Is Un de la Roo batshit insane, /leftypol/?

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How can I persuade my fledgeling local socialist group to not enact diversity quotas?

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>independent farmer who has control of his means of production and does all the work himself ( and has for years) refuses to collectivise / join syndicate/ not share his food stuffs.

how does your brand of leftism deal with this??

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Trump Reflects On First 100 Days



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Revolutionary Kekalonia Anthem

The troletraiat people are in need of a dank ass anthem. It has been 3 years since the Kekish Civil War and we have yet to officalize a national song. Any suggestions?

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Nazi rally being protected by cops in Kentucky. SHOCKER

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Russia Is Going to Be the Next Target of "Color Revolution" and Neocon Intervention


>Putin, who has dominated Russian politics for 17 years, has not said whether he will run in presidential elections in March 2018. But the 64-year-old politician, who enjoys high popularity ratings, is widely expected to do so.

>Saturday's protest in the capital – called "We're sick of him" – was organized by the Open Russia movement founded by Kremlin critic Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Once Russia's richest man, he was freed by Putin in 2013 after spending a decade in jail for fraud, a charge Khodorkovsky said was politically-motivated.

Open Russia is a "humanitarian" organization which has existed in two incarnations. Both were organized by the infamous oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky, who was arrested for fraud in 2003.

The first incarnation had Henry Kissinger and Jacob Rothschild on its board. The second version has been organizing anti-Putin and anti-government marches like the one in the Reuters article ever since 2014. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Russia)

>One of hundreds shepherded into a queue behind metal barriers by police before handing over their petitions one-by- one, Anna, a 16-year-old Moscow schoolgirl, said she hoped Putin would get the message and not run again.

>Her preference for president was opposition politician Alexei Navalny, who spent 15 days in jail last month after helping organize the biggest anti-government protests since 2012, which ended with over 1,000 arrests.

Alexei Navalny is the chairman of the "Progress Party". The party is pro-EU and attempts to paint itself as the premier opposition party to Putin's United Russia.

Two troubling things about the Progressive Party of Russia:

1. An economist named Sergei Guriev crafted the economic planks of its platform. Guriev is the chief economist at the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development. The biggest shareholder of the bank is the United States

2. The foreign policy of the Party sounds rather neocon in tone. It is for removing Russian support for "rogue states" (probably meaning Syria and other Western "enemies") and partnering up with the West. (ctrl+f "rogue states" on https://themoscowtimes.com/news/navalnys-party-holds-founding-congress-for-third-time-29651)

So in a time of increasing Russophobia and insane conspiracy theories about Putin intervening in the US election, the year before an election in Russia, the mainstream liberal opposition is coming from a Russian oligarch who has a personal grudge against Putin, whose organization has had on its board some of the biggest Western imperialists, and a political party supported by members of this org which repeats the standard pro-West and anti-"rogue state" propaganda.

The Progress Party will be championed in Western liberal media such as MSNBC as a savior of humanitarian and "progressive" ideals in Russia. It will be supported by the US Deep State and neocons, along with the neoliberal banking and corporate whores. In 2018 there will be an attempt at a "color revolution" like in Ukraine in Russia.

What do you guys think?

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Are there any memes on Rojava ?

There funny leftist memes everywhere, for example Stirner, but I can't find any on rojava.

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/leftypol/ needs to be funnier

ITT everybody has to be funny

also webm thread I guess

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What should be the official anthem of Revolutionary Kekalonia (East Kekistan)

Best Kekalonia needs a dank ass anthem. It's been 3 years since the Kekish War and we have yet to coin one.

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When will capitalism finally collapse?

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Silicon Valley

Can we get a Silicon Valley hate thread going?


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slechte grappen uitgave

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does anybody have the labourwave image of anwar shaikh(pic related) manipulating a figure of marx against a graph?

Also general labourwave thread

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The King of the TERFs

This man is Jacques Tabernon or "King of the TERFs" he is the master behind Pierre Tru-Dank. The girl in the Ushanka is Jacques TERF NazBol GF

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Is Market Socialism necessary for a well fed population?

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Kraut and T

Been seeing him comment on leftypol vids. Is he /ourfam/?

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Guys, let us uphold Juche ideal!

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because there is a continuum between deserts and jungles, deserts and jungles do not exist.

because there is a continuum between numbers in the 10s, and numbers in the 1000s, the 10s and 1000s do not exist.

thats what you sound like.

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how does he do it

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Berkeley IV

Massive turn out from the right today at berkeley. tons of dudes with protective gear as well. so far no antifa in sight, was hoping for another brawl.

is it ogre? did the right defeat antifa?.

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These guys are doing a documentary on Left-Accelerationism. Would /leftypol/ chip in?


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Russian Communists

Sorry for my bad English, not a native speaker.

As all of you probably know(as if you keep track on things) the situation in Russia is pretty complicated on the left side.

There are different groups with different ideologies everywhere. But in recent few years it all came to this:

ROT FRONT (RKRP) formally the most massive organization and mostly dead now. By a high degree of ideological strategical maneuvering this biggest opposition communist party lost everything. From 300k members on a peak they now have hardly five hundred. Half of this five hundred is Trotskiest and another half is right-wing-Stalinist. Legal, but does not participate in the current elections due to the lack of active members. http://rotfront.su/

Proriv (Breakthrough) formally an elite division of ROT FRONT (RKRP) expelled from RKRP by Trotskiests for elitism. Formed a theoretical journal within RKRP. Marxist-Leninist. Keeps developing after expulsion for 15 years. Gaining popularity within radical Russian left. Targeting academical theory learning and academical intellectuals. Heavily authoritarian. http://proriv.ru/

Skepsis (Skepticism) social-democratic Soros propaganda with grants. Uses Russian academics to publish theoretical articles, drugs reader to the right in a very subtle way. https://scepsis.net/

I personally like Proriv the most, because nobody is better in theory in the whole world. You can read one of Proriv's articles here http://communist-ml.ru/archives/18393. It was recently translated for English speakers(not as if they are any interested in anything but themselves) so you can enjoy the best theory too.

You can ask me questions on the article, thread or on politics in Russia.

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What do I think of her, leftypol?

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Allende's Last Speech

>Surely this will be the last opportunity for me to address you. The Air Force has bombed the antennas of Radio Portales and Radio Corporación.

>My words do not have bitterness but disappointment. May they be a moral punishment for those who have betrayed their oath: soldiers of Chile, titular commanders in chief, Admiral Merino, who has designated himself Commander of the Navy, and Mr. Mendoza, the despicable general who only yesterday pledged his fidelity and loyalty to the Government, and who also has appointed himself Chief of the Carabineros [paramilitary police].

>Given these facts, the only thing left for me is to say to workers: I'm not going to resign! Placed in a historic transition, I will pay for the loyalty of the people with my life. And I say to them that I am certain that the seeds which we have planted in the good conscience of thousands and thousands of Chileans will not be shriveled forever.

>They have force and will be able to dominate us, but social processes can be arrested by neither crime nor force. History is ours, and people make history.

>Workers of my country: I want to thank you for the loyalty that you always had, the confidence that you deposited in a man who was only an interpreter of great yearnings for justice, who gave his word that he would respect the Constitution and the law and did just that. At this definitive moment, the last moment when I can address you, I wish you to take advantage of the lesson: foreign capital, imperialism, together with the reaction, created the climate in which the Armed Forces broke their tradition, the tradition taught by General Schneider and reaffirmed by Commander Araya, victims of the same social sector who today are hoping, with foreign assistance, to re-conquer the power to continue defending their profits and their muh privileges.

>I address you, above all, the modest woman of our land, the countrywoman who believed in us, the mother who knew our concern for children. I address professionals of Chile, patriotic professionals who continued working against the sedition that was supported by professional associations, classist associations that also defended the advantages of capitalist society. I address the youth, those who sang and gave us their joy and their spirit of struggle. I address the man of Chile, the worker, the farmer, the intellectual, those who will be persecuted, because in our country fascism has been already present for many hours – in terrorist attacks, blowing up the bridges, cutting the railroad tracks, destroying the oil and gas pipelines, in the face of the silence of those who had the obligation to act. They were committed. History will judge them.

>Surely Radio Magallanes will be silenced, and the calm metal of my voice will no longer reach you. It does not matter. You will continue hearing it. I will always be next to you. At least my memory will be that of a man of dignity who was loyal to his country.

>The people must defend themselves, but they must not sacrifice themselves. The people must not let themselves be destroyed or riddled with bullets, but they cannot be humiliated either.

Workers of my country, I have faith in Chile and its destiny. Other men will overcome this dark and bitter moment when treason seeks to prevail. Go forward knowing that, sooner rather than later, the great avenues will open again and free men will walk through them to construct a better society.

Long live Chile! Long live the people! Long live the workers!

>These are my last words, and I am certain that my sacrifice will not be in vain, I am certain that, at the very least, it will be a moral lesson that will punish felony, cowardice, and treason.

>Santiago de Chile, 11 September 1973

This is good

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Is every government a state?

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why has /leftypol/ twitter abandoned leftism and resorted to posting gay anime pics?

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I need some clean information resources for the Jewish opium war against China. Sassoon's Hong Kong empire and all that.

Crosspost from /pol/ for more viewpoints.


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Le Pen's Front National Misappropriated $5,000,000+ in European Funds

Dozens of Front National-affiliated "parliamentary assistants" supposedly working in and paid wages by the European Union since 2012 were actually ghost employees. Basically, the Front National diverted lots of EU money through job fraud so they wouldn't have to cover their own unrelated expenses.


(en) BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39733452

(en) New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/27/world/europe/marine-le-pen-european-parliament.html

(en) RTÉ: https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2017/0427/870709-marine-le-pen-european-parliament/

(en) DW: http://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-lost-5-million-euros-in-le-pen-alleged-jobs-fraud-legal-source-says/a-38610329

(fr) Le Nouvel Observateur: http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/politique/20170427.OBS8636/emplois-fictifs-le-fn-doit-5-millions-d-euros-au-parlement-europeen.html

(fr) Europe1: http://www.europe1.fr/politique/comprendre-laffaire-des-assistants-parlementaires-du-front-national-au-parlement-europeen-en-5-points-3313604

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Ĉinio, Maoismo?

Can someone explain to me what Maoism is and when did China stop being maoist? As far as I can tell, it's a capitalist anti-democratic now.


IRPGF在此向中国女性主义同志表达我们的支持。全世界抵抗压迫,录削与支配的人,IRPGF 永远与他们站在一起。

从罗贾亚到中国,IRPGF 与中国女性主义者站在同一阵线!!!

「没有女性解放 一个社会决不会自由」

「21世纪将会是女性革命的世纪 」


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>Residents tended collectively owned fields in exchange for "work points" that could be redeemed for food. But the commune was never able to grow enough. In the bad years, people starved. 1978 was a very bad year.

>"Everybody was dying of hunger. The village population was only 120 before 1958 and 67 villagers died of hunger between 1958 and 1960. In Fengyang County (where Xiaogang is located), a quarter of the population died – 90,000 in all."

>Guan Youjiang and 17 other farmers from Xiaogang Village broke the law by signing a secret agreement to divide the land of the local People's Commune into family plots. They agreed to continue to deliver existing quotas of grain to the government and the commune, and keep any surplus for themselves.

>According to the village committee, grain output increased to 90,000 kilograms in 1979, six times as much as the previous year. The per capita income of Xiaogang climbed from 22 yuan to 400 yuan.

>In the next a few years, the remarkable gains in Xiaogang turned this tiny mid-China village into a national model and many other places copied their example in breaking up the communes – the single greatest step toward today's market-oriented economy. From then on, the whole country started out on the road to reform. It began with agriculture, but industry followed.

What should they have done instead?

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does anyone else have a problem with 8ch giving an error 502?

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"Nobody Is Coming to Save You, Comrade"

"They aren’t coming to save you, Comrade.

Nobody is.

Those people are going to die just as they lived. They are going to stay right where they are, on the couch, and play pretend online because it costs them nothing. Like a ball gag slipped on for “special nights,” politics is the kink that makes them feel different.

They always talk alot about feelings, how much “solidarity” they give and need. Every time a black child lies in a pool of his own blood they really feel bad. Truly. But they have jobs you see, and families, and shows to watch and cars to maintain.

They will hurt for you comrade when you lose your job. Why, they’ll call for a General Strike and make posters, badges, and pins! Provided it’s a weekend and not a holiday of course, and with enough advance notice to ask for it off.

They are growing to grow old, these people, happy with the knowledge that if they had the chance they would have done something spectacular. They will have fun little funerals, not sad ones, where mediocre lives will be celebrated by talking about how “brave” they were and how “hard” they fought for freedom.

Who’s is never mentioned, how and where politely not discussed.

There are millions of them, Comrade. Always have been. Always will be. They are going to be born, squirm around for a bit, and go right back into the hole they crawled out of.

They look to be led, watch to see what they can join, and wait patiently for someone to shove food into their mouths and help them chew.

Will you wait for them, Comrade?"


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Which one of you did this?


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Is anarcho-monarchism really a thing ?

I've seen videos, websites on it and some rare people seem to really take it seriously. What the fuck does anarcho-monarchism even mean ?

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essential zizekcore

The "help, I don't understand what the sniff man is saying" guide.

I'm attaching a list in the OP and in subsequent posts I'll be attaching pdfs of the books.

>I'm an absolute normie and I would like some introductory material that's not too heavy

You should begin with the Graphic Guides – Introducing Marxism, Introducing Lacan and Introducing Slavoj Zizek.

Also recommended:

Zizek! The Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlojUvQdjMg

Pervert's Guide to Cinema https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLPc5RoJllw

Pervert's Guide to Ideology https://openload.co/embed/detlKN5hDcw/

Knowing a bit about Marxism and Lacan is a prerequisite to understanding Zizek.

>What are some easy reads by Zizek that you can pick up anytime

- Violence: Six Sideways Reflections (2008)

- First As Tragedy, Then As Farce (2009)

- Living in the End Times (2010)

- The Year of Dreaming Dangerously (2012)

- Event: A Philosophical Journey Through a Concept (2014)

Violence is especially recommended. Both Event and Violence are philosophical/conceptual books written in an easy to understand format for the lay audience. The others are mostly books by Zizek commenting on the current political and economic situation.

>I would like to dig in deeper. Where should I start if I want to seriously begin with Zizek's philosophy?

Lacan is where you should start. A deep understanding of Lacan is essential, because in some places Zizek follows Lacan to the letter.

Bruce Fink's A Clinical Introduction to Lacanian Psychoanalysis is a good place to start.

Matthew Sharpe and Geoff Boucher's Zizek and Politics: A Critical Introduction for an introduction to Zizek's politics.

Following those, I would suggest Zizek's best and first work The Sublime Object of Ideology.

>Alright. Hit me with the hard stuff.

- Tarrying With the Negative (1993)

- The Indivisible Remainder: Essays on Schelling and Related Matters (1996)

- The Ticklish Subject (1999)

- The Parallax View (2006)

- In Defense of Lost Causes (2008)

Since 2012, he has been writing mostly about Hegel. It remains to be seen how essential they are to his oeuvre.

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>Cassandra Fairbanks and Mike "Gorilla Mindset" Cernovich got White House press credentials

>666 meme symbol

Oh am I seething

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Hey /leftypol/, curious goy here

What is your vision? What is the /leftypol/ endgame?

What is your ideal. in terms of the state, culture, society, economics, etc?

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Fyre Festival Thread 2

Marxism Ruleism boogaloo!

The Twitter feed:



The subleddit:


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Okay, which one of you wrote this?

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Why does /leftypol/ never talk about the real father of theory?

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How would you unfuck Afghanistan?

Their army is a ragtag group of idiots who can't shoot straight.

Their police is a club of corrupt child molesters.

The private Islamic schools are stronger than ever.

The entire country is divided by ethnic lines and no one really considers themselves Afghan.

The Taliban are still here, with major support.

Wages are low and the entire country is fucking broke.

Is there any hope?

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shining path

daily reminder that they literally did nothing wrong.

and if you thing otherwise, you are not more than a ballsless liberal.

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I understand the answer ought to be "no", but does your sexuality affect your politics? Think carefully about it.

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Evalion is now /ourgirl/


She and this Stra$$erite are now engaging in Unruhe-tier Stalin apologism.

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Legit question

Okay, can someone explain to me what the hell happened to the IWW and basically made them vanish when they have such a massive influence in the work force previously.

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post some ebin commie flags, fictional or not. Here are some i've made and found.

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Left-Wing History

What are some other based leftist historians?

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why is there such a sexual undercurrent in alt-right//pol/ rhetoric?

-the overt sexualization of trump among his fans


-the fact that so much of their racial stuff is centered around penis length/rape/emasculation

-the weird relationship between ancaps and pedophilia, which they themselves definitely have a hand in

-the entire idea of 'degeneracy,' which almost every time turns out to be a complaint with some way in which sexuality is being handled or expressed

-the fixation on traditional gender roles being reinforced

in a way, it's their biggest obsession. what else is /pol/ actually concerned about? they obviously don't really care about economics, most race stuff is, like i said, sexual in nature, women are one of their biggest talking points, and all of the white nationalist stuff is always tied to reproduction.

what the fuck is going on here? is it because the movement was spawned by repressed /r9k/ types or is it something else?

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What should we make of "modern economics" critiques of Marx?

Is there a good refutation to the argument that Marxism has been "proved false"?

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I need re-convincing

I feel like I go through cycles in which I'm completely convinced of socialism and then skeptical a couple of months later. This has happened three or four times over the past year. So anyway, I need some re-convincing. Now, I'm not just some liberal exploring socialism, so I understand a decent amount of the theory. Don't give me the one line slogans we give liberals to get them thinking, I need some well thought out stuff about why socialism is viable. I would read more theory on my own, but I don't have the time until my semester ends, and sometimes people can break down theory in a quick and palatable way.

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impotent capitalism

lads, I'm seriously disappointed in capitalism

as this is a leftcom board, I will characterize myself as a state capitalist apologist to avoid pointless semantics arguing

I'm a state capitalist in a sense that I believe state should take the organizational role of individual capitalists and take it to its logical conclusion

but the fact is

bourgeois state doesn't want to take this role

and more so, it prohibits individual corporations to take this role

yes, I'm talking about antitrust laws in general and about pathological fear of vertical integration in particular

there cannot be any doubt from where does this fear stems from

vertical integration is a death of a market

antitrust law enforcers can look past horizontally integrated monopoly, but they will never ignore vertically integrated monopoly, except for a few special cases like oil industry

The Fall of the Bell System was apotheosis of this retardation

its aftermath is a disaster

costs hiked and after almost two decades of dancing around AT&T inc. managed to collect almost all the Baby Bells

only now it is a horizontally integrated monopoly

because of all this I have my doubts that concentration of capital will lead to the world where transnational corporations take the role of the state

modern investors often have their shares in competing companies

in this bizarre situation common ownership does not lead to integration

it is like SU khozraschyot reform all over again

formally commonly owned enterprises still trade and compete for profits as if they were owned by different entities

so accelerationism in this sense will lead to nothing

only viable accelerationism is to go full mr Robot

financial markets is the weakest link

system is chronically unstable, all it needs is a little push

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Interview With A Redneck


You're a member of the newly reformed CPUSA and are at this man's doorstep agitating for a socialist reconstruction of the american economy.

What do you say?

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Tankies get out. This is an AnCom board.

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Does anyone else get sick of how much the alt-right ideology has infiltrated other chan communities for non-politics hobbies (technology, traditional games, music, etc.)?

It's not like I'm offended that someone says nigger or something, I'm just tired of reading unironic racism and anti-Semitism and other garbage when I'm trying to discuss Python or something.

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AnCap Thread

Post your best memes.

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>tfw libturds will push for Chelsea Clinton for president next

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Anon finds something interesting on sister's laptop...

Anon found this on his sister's laptop. To protect her, he'll only say it's at a University in California.

The coursework is to raid /pol/.

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Dead Rising Political Analysis: Part Three now out!


Thank you for watching! I always appreciate all comments and criticism. Please bump this topic and/or share if you enjoyed.

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I've noticed that a lot of right wing arguments consist of taking vaguely related concepts and saying that they apply exactly to politics and that anything else is unnatural and would somehow fail. Do you think we could convert them if we just got them to read some political theory? Maybe make it easier to digest with comics and memery just to get them started?

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>45k a month in Alimony

>admits his views are an act

>still lose kids


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>work in a corporate office

>management sends out a new list of corporate goals and ideals

>at the bottom of the list is "Be the top 1%


What can man do in the face of such staggering ideology?

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Oh the rich kid can't hack the actual work well blow me down

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Chapo Trap House


So the past two free episodes have been pretty lukewarm tbh. The interview with Taibbi was ok but there were no big insights. Tim is not that interesting and as much as they shit on the Daily Show it seems to me they are falling it its routine.

>Trump is a dumb old man with holes in his brain

>Ha ha he is so fucking dumb and bumbling

>Ha, he has the brain of a child

Pretty tiring. What does /leftypol/ think?

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Socialism or Capitalism? A Debate at 6:30 PM ET

The YDS (college student wing of the DSA) is doing a debate against the TPUSA (a conservacuck org) of socialism vs capitalism from 6:30 PM ET to 8:30.

>During these tense and uncertain times, once minority viewpoints are now coming into the mainstream. Campuses, too, are center for heavy ideological debate and conflict.

>Join Ryan Mosgrove, National Organizer for Young Democratic Socialists, and Charlie Kirk, Founder and Executive Director of Turning Point USA, two college based groups for a friendly debate on whether millenials should fight for socialism or capitalism.

From what I've seen from all the lefties on Twitter, it looks like our boy is gonna btfo out of the other guy. So strap in, and get comfy boys.

Here's the link to the livestream: https://www.facebook.com/YDSUSA/videos/1580167228680610

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Does South Korea Really Want to Unify?

I don't think South Korea is actually interested in unification. I think it's more beneficial to the South Korean government and bourgeoisie to stay separated, but with a friendlier regime that doesn't pester them.

>South Korean politicians can't control North Korean voters; a sudden influx of North Koreans would jeopardize their domination.

>North Koreans could change South Korea's societal structure and culture, especially if they vote.

>North Koreans have had 70 years of propaganda pumped into them and will probably be very difficult to work with on every level.

>North Koreans have very little experience with modern technology, which is one of the cornerstones of South Korea's culture and economy.

>There are minor language differences between the Korean spoken in the north and the south.

>North Korea's economy is founded on minerals and mining (it's only truly valuable resource), and manufacturing, textiles, and the like, which are not particularly valuable, will be replaced with automation, and workers would have to work for very low wages to compete with sweatshops in Bangladesh, Vietnam, Indonesia, and so on, which is irreconcilable with South Korean law. South Korea would have to economically support North Koreans despite getting very little in return.

>North Korean land is not favorable to agriculture. Only about 15% is arable. Korea would have to import more food for North Koreans, though North Korea wouldn't export enough to make it worthwhile.

>South Korea may have to take on North Korea's roughly $20B USD debt.

>South Korea would have to spend billions on developing North Korea.

>North Koreans are in poor health. South Korea would have to again provide more for them, although they would contribute very little economically.

North Koreans absolutely need help. They aren't bad, undeserving people. But I don't think South Korea is actually interested in unification, because I think it would be a net loss, and this should be considered in discussions on geopolitics in the Korean Peninsula.


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Trump Declares May Day "Loyalty Day"

This rustles my jimmies a bit, what are your thoughts.

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Ok so I finally googled Murray Bookchin and am familiarizing myself with libertarian municipality and social ecology.

What's not becoming clear to me yet is what exactly is the call to action? Tell other people to google Murray Bookchin? Join a garden / housing co-op?

Please tell me there's actually a strategy and I didn't just waste time reading another armchair branch of leftism.

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Any good articles and evidence that debunk race realism?

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How is the Nazbol occupation of wikipedia going?

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Agitate, educate, organize?


The Left is plagued with the unspoken and implicit premise that revolution is a matter of consciousness-raising or ideology-spreading. Consciousness-raising (or the ideological model) is the idea that revolutions are made by communists/socialists agitating and organizing the masses until a critical mass of the working class population adopts socialist ideas (of the correct party line, of course), and that only then can the socialists/communists lead the masses into a revolution. The consciousness-raising model is shared by (most) anarchists and (all) Leninists alike, and the consciousness-raising model finds its logical culmination in the vanguard party, in which the most advanced members of the working class (in reality, mainly progressive members of the petty-bourgeoisie and middle classes) organize together to preserve revolutionary theory, inject socialist consciousness into the masses of the working class, and lead the proletariat to begin struggling against and then vanquish capital.



These two links are to an article and book (which I've uploaded as PDF here for convenience too), respectively, that provide a good critique of the consciousness-raising model, which is in fact an ideology-centric model and thus an idealist perspective on how revolutions happen (because it says that revolutions are made by spreading ideas until a critical mass of ideas emerges).

In contrast to the idealist consciousness-raising model, I claim a materialist perspective (as I believe Marx and Engels would) in which revolutions are made by material circumstances (such as economic crises or war exhaustion) and ideology develops spontaneously (without the need for intervention by conscious communists) around revolutionary events, as seen by the independent emergence of councilism in Russia 1905, Germany 1917, and Hungary 1956. There is no need for a vanguard party to inject socialist consciousness into the masses. Nor is there a need for voluntarism in which a party is somehow able to jump ahead of material circumstances and force a revolution to happen. Neither is there a need for communists to preserve revolutionary theory, aside from perhaps intellectual self-amusement, because the proletariat will re-invent revolutionary theory when it is pushed into revolutionary action. In any case, there is no need to read Marx or understand all three volumes of Capital in order to make revolution, because revolutions are not made by ideologies, but by material circumstances forcing a class into action.

Here's some Engels (Principles of Communism) refuting both the vanguard party and the consciousness-raising model, as well as giving more evidence for the materialist model of revolution:

>Communists know only too well that all conspiracies are not only useless, but even harmful. They know all too well that revolutions are not made intentionally and arbitrarily, but that, everywhere and always, they have been the necessary consequence of conditions which were wholly independent of the will and direction of individual parties and entire classes. But they also see that the development of the proletariat in nearly all civilized countries has been violently suppressed, and that in this way the opponents of communism have been working toward a revolution with all their strength. If the oppressed proletariat is finally driven to revolution, then we communists will defend the interests of the proletarians with deeds as we now defend them with words.

Even if the consciousness-raising model is wrong and the materialist model of revolution is right, the role of communists is not to sit in their armchairs and let the revolution just happen. As Engels mentioned, communists will participate in the revolution and "defend the interests of the proletarians with deeds", which means that communists should participate in militant working class actions at least as much as any worker. In revolutionary circumstances, communists should also aim to combat all organizations that aim to lead the proletariat and thus co-opt the energy of the workers' movement, with an eye towards crushing those who would instate a state capitalist coup with red flags, in the name of the working class.

What you've just read is the revolutionary perspective of council communism, communization and "nihilist communism".

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The state of your country

Inspired by >>1596058, I want to make a thread where everyone who wants to do so talks about the state of their country, be it to inspire, or serve as a warning.

I'm a Belgian. Things here are comparatively okay for most people. Our welfare state is quite robust, and includes:

unemployment benefits,

medical insurance,

guaranteed income for people who can't work for medical reasons,

free or fairly cheap education (including college/university/…) and government provided grants for low income folks,

work-based or universal minimal pensions,

work based or means-tested universal child benefits,

and lastly a means tested monetary public assistance.

The minimum wage is pretty high, though so is the cost of living, and we are beginning to see more and more of a hollowing out along the lines of the German model (all in the name of flexibility of course). Another big threat is the rise of interim jobs; it means less protection and pay for the same work.

To sum it all up, it's basically an old-fashioned welfare state that has remained largely intact. Reasons for this include large and powerful unions, who via-via also have a hand in providing things like medical insurance and unemployment benefits, a bit of a historical accident. There's also a certain degree of corporatism, with collective bargaining taking place nationally and within sectors and companies, with the state legislating and enforcing the results of said bargaining.

There are also significant problems though. Though still robust, social protections have been in retreat for a while now, mostly under pressure from Europe. The institutional makeup of the state makes it so that all changes proceed very slowly, but the trend is decidedly negative, and has been for some time. The culprit here is the European context, which has been pushing everyone in a race towards the bottom by having Eastern Europeans come work here without having to receive the same kind of benefits as would natives. On top of that, the Euro-straitjacket has made it very hard to deficit spend for purposes of large scale infrastructure our counter-cyclical interventions.

The biggest problem, though, are ethnic tensions. On the one hand there is the well known Dutch/French speaking divide, which gets exploited by porky all the damn time to try and undermine social protections under the guise of "keeping hard earned Flemish Euros out of the hands of the lazy Walloons". On the other hand, you have the descendants of guest workers from Turkey and Morocco who have failed to integrate into society because of reasons (racism, insular culture, being stuck at the bottom of society, …), and are under-preforming on all sorts of metrics (employment, education, crime etc.), which is used to undermine social protections much the same way. The current migrations underway have mostly grafted themselves on the old preconceptions wrt the aforementioned groups.

Thirdly, there is a problem of taxation. Taxes are high, progressive, and fall mostly on lower and middle income people. Rents and other kinds of capital gains are taxed at lower fixed rates, or not at all. Moreover, the high earners manage to use the complex tax-law to avoid paying even those lower taxes. The issue has been on the political agenda for a while now, but the rightist parties are too strong for it to get any traction. And because of the ethnic tensions is driving a lot of the politics, there is not much hope for a leftist majority to reform tax laws any time soon.

Qua politics, it's a mess of linguistically differentiated parties, none of them all that big, with strong ethnonationalist tendencies in the Dutch speaking parts, and a strong showing by former Maoists and greens in the French speaking parts. They can't get much done, though, because the Flemish left-side is composed of a socdem party that is slowly but surely withering away, a green party that is replacing it but is still smallish, and the aforementioned former maoists struggling to get representation.

There is potential for union-based agitation in the French speaking parts thanks to PTB-takeovers, but long as Belgium remains united I don't think it has much potential because of the tendencies in the north. More likely is either a furthering hollowing out of the welfare state, or institutional gridlock until the next big crisis throws Europe into turmoil, at which point Belgium will be forced to follow along with the bigger countries to avoid becoming a highway for foreign armies again.

Looking forward to read about other people's countries.

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Reeeeeeeeexamining sexual liberation

It's a common thing for people to claim reactionaries who disapprove of sexual liberation do so because for one reason or another they aren't fully able to participate in it. And I agree

The issue becomes a problem when you have men turning towards right wing retards because of this perceived unfairness. And in general we as socialists should want to reduce human misery as much as possible.

One quarter of middle aged Jap males are virgins, and I don't imagine they are satisfied. Human relationships are something nessecary for people to become self actualized, and I think we should reexamine the concept of sexual liberation or at least redefine it to be sexual liberation that EVERYONE can participate in, rather than just a few

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I'm writing Jason's Wikipedia page, anyone have links to Unruhe's exact birthdate?

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Glorious uprising when?

How many of you are actually armed and ready to "bash the fash"?

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Would any mutualists, left-libertarians, and other market socialists (including Titoists, Ricardian socialists, and so on) want to move to New Hampshire and convert its potential "an"-cap takeover to a market socialist takeover?

I'm a 24-year old from Colorado who has been a mutualists for a few years now, originally an ancap. I could give you all of the reasons why I ditched an-capism for mutualism but I won't (too long). Back when I was pro-exploitation I signed up for the Free State Project and planned to move to NH by 2018. Well, it's the middle of 2017 now and I've barely packed, much less found a place in NH to live or a viable community to be a part of.

Would anyone of a similar mind like to move to NH and get started on making market socialism a reality? It would be much easier for us to expropriate factories and install workers' control of the means of production with a weakened state.

Anarcho-syndicalists are also welcome.

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PUA Thread Post Ya PUAs


You read that right- Dark Triad Man. He's proud of being a narcisisstic psychopathic Machiavellian.

There's so much more on the page-

>He’s “that guy”. The man who seems to effortlessly move through realms of danger and reward, through work and life, always at the top of his game and leaving behind a string of successes, adventures and quite often a lot of jealousy and resentment. But jealousy is the province of the weak, and resentment the country of the defeated. He doesn’t live in either.

>You’ll see him in the corner with a group of men and he’ll be the one very quietly monitoring the room. But when he speaks, the others will defer to him and listen with respect. You know that what he has to say will impact you, and that he chooses words with deliberate intent. He’s not loud, but he certainly has your attention.

>Instantly. You don’t ignore a Dark Triad Man.

>He’s the man who pulls up to the dealership in a fast, powerful vehicle and throws the keys to the service worker and walks right inside. He isn’t worried about what happens to his ride. He’s fine with the attendant enjoying his car vicariously. It’s replaceable, and he’s well-insured. If the attendant wrecks it he’ll be in a better one by nightfall.

>It may be a beautiful thing of expensive power, but it’s just one of many of his possessions. He’s not attached to it even though he enjoys every mile he drives in it. The road is his servant as it whips by underneath.

>Women are compulsively attracted to him. They immediately whisper to themselves when he walks into the room. He doesn’t grant them notice although he’s well aware that they admire him. His disregard makes them more excited and a rare playful glance from his narrowed eyes makes them stop and stare as he passes. They forget themselves for a few moments to talk about him.

>We all know what they’re imagining.

>That guy isn’t. He’s busy on his next plan, because he had their fantasies wrapped up last night.

>Business is his business. He earns, and he earns hard. He works, and he works harder – in fact, he never stops working. It’s part of a mind that’s always planning, a hand that is always at the till, a spirit that is always committed and a resolve that will crush you if you trip yourself in front of it. It’s not personal, and it’s not gratuitous. But it’s not negotiable.

>He is a Dark Triad Man and he doesn’t surrender.

>You know he means it when he’s making money or closing a deal. When he says he will accomplish something it gets accomplished. When he looks at an insurmountable challenge of time and effort and blood and tears – he smiles slightly inside, and knows he’ll emerge on the other side a harder man.

>When you are in his company his words and intensity are enthralling. He engages you with his eyes, with his personal force, with the depth of his words. You’re captivated by his charisma and you’re empowered by the experience of him. Each encounter with him feels cathartic, the way you feel when you’ve climbed a mountain or spent a reflective morning at the beach or had a peak experience that leaves you changed, somehow… advanced to a different place.

>That’s why Dark Triad Man is here.

>I’m going to get you to that place.

>If you’re a man, and you have a mission, this is the right place.

>I’m going to show you how to do it all.

>I’m going to teach you how to think. How to channel what you feel. I’m going to teach you how to blend reason and rage together and turn it into some frighteningly powerful changes in your outcomes. I’m going to give you concrete, provable action plans. I’m going to provide you with ruthless mentoring for a dark world and you’re going to take that mentoring and you’re going to be that guy with a mission who doesn’t flinch.

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>supported national syndicalism

>represented the trade unionists

>opposed capitalism

Why isn't he considered to be a leftist figure?

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Can someone explains to me why he's so popular in leftist circles

What has he ever done of significance, why is there some sort of cult based around him ?

His work is just absurd big words or evident truths. Psychoanalysis in general is very hit and miss, not eveybody wants to fuck their mother and kill their father. So why is so widely popular ? He honestly reads like a charlatan.

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What is it about the left that attracts narcissistic life stylers?

I'm reading The Culture of Narcissism, and a lot of the revolutionary figures in the sixties and seventies were pretty thoughtless people who were in it for the drugs, sex, and social status, and went on to indulge in "new consciousness" bullshit in their thirties.

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Anti-Oedipus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia

I picked this up at a used book hawker on the street. Haven't opened it yet, what should I expect?

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Isn't it SAD! how the alt-lite keeps looking for an ebin pwnage of the same magnitude or Spencerpunch?

Isn't it SAD! how they'll never, ever find it?

People remembered Spencerpunch for months. People forget their newest (maskless, retarded) cunts like Kyle Chapman and Nathan Damigo in a week. Meanwhile, /pol/ forgets the key difference between Spencer and Chapman's victims is that one of them went out to spread violent speech illegal in most first-world countries and the other went out to stop it. So one is just battery and the other one (most of the time) isn't. It's alarming how they think just hitting random people is peachy keen, or the opposite equivalent of what antifa (are supposed to) do.

Let's laugh at this particular aspect of Trump holdouts (who are still having rallies, God knows why it's not like elections are coming up) ITT.

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>100 days into his presidency and everyone already thinks Trump is a bigger joke/buffoon than Bush


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Hey guys, HLR here. Just thinking, there is a libertarian/ancap Idea in another thread called the Free State project, which gets all the lolberts to move to a single state and turn it into ancapistan. This is a USA specific idea but i guess it could work with any federal type government country.

What do you guys think of a similar project for lefties? a really "RED" state project? What state should it be? Obviously it has to be low population one, preferably which is cheap to live in and set up shop. Could set up cooperatives, communes, etc.

Anyway, heres a poll:


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Where did it all go wrong /leftypol/? Why couldn't trotsky left them alone?

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As I was properly replying to the formerly deleted threads, I will do that here, mostly because the alternative is the one in which the discussion dies at the first few replies, without enstablishing an actual dialectic.


>The genetic differences that exist among populations are characterized by gradual changes across geographic regions, not sharp, categorical distinctions

While there is a degree of continuity between european and asian ethnicities, this is false for some populations, namely blacks and australian natives. Pic related: the principal component analysis graphs clearly show how they form separate groups, and the distinction is not arbitrary.

>posts 4 pdf as a reply

Pardon me if I won't read 100 pages of text as a reply to my post before answering. You should probably know that trying to bury someone under a lot of material won't really get any point across, flat earthers do it all the time.


Indeed, and there is an even greater variety between any of those two and any non-african ethnicity. This is something that can happen when the genetic distance between two distinct groups becomes this big: you can find two populations in group A more distant from each other than any two in group B. This only reflects the internal genetic variability between black populations, without proving that they are any closer to other ethnicities.

>Kingdom of Aksum, Fasil Ghebbi

Made by semites, not blacks. When Fasil Ghebbi was founded castles had been around for quite a long time.


Again, a muslim empire. They inherited civilization from the arabs, started to fall apart to pre-civilization levels as their influence diminished.


A crude piece of architecture that can't even compare to european cathedrals or arab mosques of the same time. Again, the best that can be said about them is that they do not collapse into pre-civil life in less than a generation after an outside power brings its own culture and technical prowess.

All of these "civilizations" were based on foreign cultures. No equivalent of the Roman, Egyptian, or Mesopotamian civilizations.

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Problems with Accelerationism

Over lunch I had a discussion with a friend of mine about the election of Trump. Initially he was spouting the liberal bullshit that he won because he said racist shit and so on, but I got him to accept the narrative that he won the election due to the failure of the left-liberal establishment (i.e. the people were looking for a candidate that appeared to be an outsider to the status quo that failed them, such as in Bernie).

We then talked about who was the "better" candidate - Hillary or Trump - for progress in general. Whereas I - as influenced by Zizek and discussions here - thought Trump was good for the people in the sense that he was triggering a surge in interest for alternatives to the present system (as seen in the growth of socialist groups across the nation, in part also affected by Bernie), he maintained his view that Hillary would have been better as she wouldn't be doing all the stupid shit Trump is. As he put it in a shitty metaphor, with Trump we're jumping off a bridge, whereas with Hillary we might have a chance to cross a bridge to a better place. Obviously this is wrong as fuck; if anything the bridge is a loop that brings you back to the mainland.

Importantly though was his criticism that even if a movement begins under Trump's presidency, it would all go away as a Democrat gets in office. I was wondering what criticisms you have for this, or if we should consider it as a problem. Personally, I feel that the point of the movements beginning now is to prevent such a thing from happening, to promulgate the message that this opposition between liberal Democrat and conservative Republican parties is simply one of appearance that doesn't affect the fundamental nature of the system and therefore how people live. But the guy I talked to didn't accept this and kept going on about how Trump's presidency won't lead to any lasting changes.

General accelerationism thread, discuss the positives of its program and the potential (or intrinsic) issues it must confront

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What's some worthwhile economists before Adam Smith? Once you read about this discipline it becomes clear that "Smith invented economics" is a meme, since there were systematic attempts to write about it before classical liberalism. Marxists.org has a nice collection on political economy:


Sir John Steuart is one interesting example, he was the first to employ the term "political economy" and articulated mercantilist principles that Smith was reacting against. However, he also writes a bit about classes so there may be important predecessors even among the mercantilists. I'll leave it to someone better read to post here.

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Chris Hedges vs. Black Libertarian from Fox Business


>Hundreds of protesters crammed the streets of Lower Manhattan Monday, clashing with the NYPD as they attempted to march down Wall Street. Kmele Foster, co-host of Fox Business' The Independents, met up with Pulitzer-Prize winning author Chris Hedges for a heated debate on the merits of capitalism.

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What does /leftypol/ think about sortition/lottocracy?

Pic related is a book that defends it

I made this thread last night before going to bed, I see it on the catalog but clicking on it gives me a 404

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>need to learn theory, Marxian economics, enough bourgeois economics debunk it, history to counter muh 100 billion deaths, science to counter climate change denial, race "realism" and other right wing be and at the same time keep on top of current events while working.

Who is this possible? How can anyone be confident in political positions? There is just so much to take into account.

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The police

Hey guys.

What exactly does /leftypol/ think of the police? Is there a viable alternative or should the entire idea of policing be thrown out the window?

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History of capitalism reading

Post some good reads on anti-capitalism, history of capitalism, exploitation, famines, colonialism, imperialism, etc.

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wtf I love Stalin now


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Where does religion play into your ideology? Most people do it, it is diverse, and serves to strengthen some people. Where does religion stand in your eyes?

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Charles Taylor

thoughts on this absolute madman?

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How Meme Culture Is Getting Teens into Marxism



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How do I draw characters like this? What programs etc?

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>I'm not talking about that, although that is the outcome-


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The Islam problem

What is the plan for fighting the liberal love affair with mudslimes

Islam stands against every progressive ideal imaginable yet these fucking bleeding hearts think defending them is a good deed. And they call people racists for criticizing an *ideology*

Our enemies will use this on us, eventually. How soon before Communism is "racist" too? Why not? It's exactly as much of a race as Islam is. Why do we allow that door to stay open? Why is it only the porkies who seem to take an issue with this?

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Are all rightists schizophrenic?

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Is this good advice?

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>still being anti-prostitution and anti-porn loony leftist

How are you ever going to build popular support if you keep attacking against the desires of the masses?

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The best way to deal with the alt-right is to ridiculize them endlessly

come mock them with us on reddit.com/r/WeWuzSuperior , shame might be the only way to knock some sense into them

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Daily reminder that every Trot you meet will become a neocon eventually, and every anarchist you meet will turn into a neoliberal centrist

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Tolstoy and Pacifists

Was he right? Does inspiring others to live pacifist lives lead to more peace? Even if it doesn't, does conquering yourself to be free of the tyranny of self something to strive for?

General discussion on pacifism and its other forms is welcome.

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What is the official anthem of Revolutionary Kekalonia?

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Brazil general strike


>"Violence has erupted in Brazil at the end the country's first general strike in more than 20 years.Buses and cars have been set on fire in Rio de Janeiro's city centre. Road blocks set up by activists were also ablaze and shops were vandalised."

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>there's no such theoretical position as luxemburgism

where did this meme come from?

I've noticed that so many people talk about Rosa and dismiss her in broad strokes, without ever discussing her theory. In other words, it's time read and discuss.

The Russian Revolution


Reform or revolution


The Accumulaiton of Capital


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Esperanto Thread

Fadeno por Esperantistoj ĉar tie estas multajn homojn sur la maldekstra kiu parolas Esperanton ĉie tie kaj /esperanto/ estas tiom malrapide.

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Climate scientist Michael Mills describes the devastation of a nuclear detonation

People get “melted into burning pools of fat”'


By Bryan Dyne

27 April 2017

>Nearly three years ago, the World Socialist Web Site published a Perspective that posed the question “Are you ready for nuclear war?” At that time, the United States government was accusing the Kremlin, without any evidence, of shooting down Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17. As a result of these provocations, tensions between the United States and Russia rose to heights unseen since the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962.

>Tensions globally are even greater today. By directing the naval strike group led by the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier and the USS Michigan nuclear submarine to the Sea of Japan, the Trump administration has escalated the already acute confrontation on the Korean Peninsula. Through these actions, Washington is provoking a conflict that could draw in nuclear-armed China and Russia, both of which have borders with North Korea.

>Such a war threatens the nearly 76 million people who live in North and South Korea. It also has a high potential of involving the 127 million people who live in Japan, which would be in the direct line of fire of any war with North Korea. What goes unmentioned by government officials of the US and its allies—much less the corporate media—are these millions of people who are likely to die in a war between the US and North Korea, particularly if nuclear weapons are used.

>The devastation of a nuclear war on the Korean Peninsula would not be a regional affair, but a direct threat to the entire ecosystem of Earth. As part of our continuing discussion with scientists and experts on the threats posed by nuclear war, the World Socialist Web Site spoke with climate scientist Michael Mills, who has studied the climatic effects of nuclear detonations for nearly a decade. As part of his work at the National Center for Atmospheric Research and on the Atmospheric Chemistry Observations and Modeling team, he has looked at how nuclear weapons can create firestorms, turning whole cities and their inhabitants into nothing more than ash, soot and debris.

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Freeze peach

Is “free speech” the #1 “human right” (I know, spooks)?

Trying to wrap my head around the liberal mind.

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Official pixelcanvas.io thread.

Link: http://pixelcanvas.io/ (duh!)

Help build a map of best Europe at (100, 100). around than 30,000 pixels will have to be set to we need YOU!

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Fyre Festival

Why the fuck aren't you fags revelling in the schadenfreude yet?

A supposed music festival organized by Ja Rule on the ass-end of a Bahamanian island, rich kids have paid about 12k burgerbux for a ticket. They get there, and the accomodations are literally refugee tents, there are feral dogs about, the locals are robbing everyone blind and apprently security isn't much better, and much, much more.

The Twitter live feed is a thing of beauty: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%23fyrefestival

The subleddit too: https://www.reddit.com/r/fyrefestival/

/pol/ wised up and have been laughing at it for a while: >>>/pol/9816790

tl;dr: piglets pay fortune for festival ticket, get to LARP Lord of the Flies instead

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Stop playing problematic games like Overwatch

It is p,roblematic and it promotes Police violence against black people

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Daily News Thread 4/28

US THAAD anti-missile deployment in S. Korea sparks clashes between locals & police

The US military has moved elements of the THAAD anti-missile complex to its deployment site in South Korea, causing anger and discontent among the locals, some of whom reportedly clashed with police guarding the convoy.


Trump wants S. Korea to foot $1bn THAAD bill, Seoul says no

Donald Trump said South Korea should pay for hosting the American THAAD anti-missile system, in line with his general narrative that America’s allies are taking advantage of US protection. Seoul has rejected the idea.


Secretary of State Tillerson urges U.N. to act 'before North Korea does'

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on Friday the threat of an attack by Pyongyang against Japan and South Korea is real and urged the U.N. Security Council to act "before North Korea does."


#Vault7: WikiLeaks reveals CIA ‘Scribbles’ tool can track whistleblowers & foreign spies

A user manual describing a CIA project known as ‘Scribbles’ has been published by WikiLeaks, exposing the potential for the spying agency to track when documents are leaked by whistleblowers or “Foreign Intelligence Officers.”


Facebook admits: governments exploited us to spread propaganda

Facebook has publicly acknowledged that its platform has been exploited by governments seeking to manipulate public opinion in other countries – including during the presidential elections in the US and France – and pledged to clamp down on such “information operations”.


Montenegro parliament ratifies NATO membership after US approval

Montenegro’s parliament has formally agreed to join NATO – the military bloc that pounded the tiny Balkan country with bombs less than 20 years ago during the Kosovo War. The decision sparked protest among the population and opposition figures.


‘Totally insensitive’: Netanyahu slams German FM for meeting with ‘radical’ anti-settlement groups

Benjamin Netanyahu has called German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel “totally insensitive” for meeting with rights groups critical of Israel’s actions in the West Bank. The Israeli prime minister was apparently so incensed he even canceled a meeting with him.


U.S. Economy Grew 0.7% in First Quarter, Slowest in Three Years

The U.S. economy expanded at the slowest pace in three years as weak auto sales and lower home-heating bills dragged down consumer spending, offsetting a pickup in investment led by housing and oil drilling.


DR Congo: UN peacekeepers face fresh sexual abuse claims

A UN peacekeeper in the Democratic Republic of Congo has been suspended over allegations that he fathered a child with an underage girl.


House approves bill to avert government shutdown

The U.S. House of Representatives on Friday approved legislation to avert an imminent government shutdown by giving lawmakers until May 5 to come up with legislation funding federal agencies through the fiscal year that ends on Sept. 30.


Brazil hit by first general strike in two decades

Brazilian cities went into partial shutdown on Friday as the country observed its first general strike in more than two decades.


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The Future of Europe is Albania

Just found this interesting article about how the porkies of international capital are undermining democracy in Europe by making governments overreliant on investors and privatizing government services.

This is why social democracy cannot work in the current international environment.

Link: http://www.berfrois.com/2017/04/vincent-w-j-van-gerven-oei-albania-europe-future/

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If the technology 90 years ago had been like today's, we could actually know what Stalin did right and wrong instead of having a lack of definite information regarding what really happened in the URSS, thanks to revisionism from the URSS itself and (mostly) all the porky/nazi propaganda.

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Is anyone else feeling the curse of the redpill?

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La Hispana Enlanda Milito

Why do Anarchists always talk shit about Marxists but Marxists rarely mention Anarchists?

Is being anti-Marxist fundamental to the Anarchist self-perception?

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Social Democracy

Why is social democracy parties the most popular socialist/left parties in most countries?

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Communism is right-wing

I'm so tired of commies claiming that we should abolish private property but keep personnal Property.

Just No. We need something more left-wing than Communism :

- Abolish private property ;

- Abolish personnal property ;

- Abolish intellectual property.

Basically, abolish every damn form of property.

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From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

"Marx explained his belief that, in such a society, each person would be motivated to work for the good of society despite the absence of a social mechanism compelling them to work, because work would have become a pleasurable and creative activity. Marx intended the initial part of his slogan, "from each according to his ability" to suggest not merely that each person should work as hard as they can, but that each person should best develop their particular talents"

>Each person would be motivated to work for the good of society


do you really believe this silly shit? Do you expect people to do tedious/humiliating/dangerous/..etc tasks for the good of society? If you don't believe this, do you want to force people to work (i.e., enslave them)? How are you going to decide how much work is a person capable of?

Under capitalism, if I'm not rich, I don't have to work as hard as I can, I can do the minimum amount of work that secures my needs which could be little.

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*ahem* What kind of leftist are you?

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Hey comrades, ive ben lurking here for a long, and well, i have a question, this looks like avery amture and nice board, and leftism seems cool, but, what do you think about latin america?

specifically about Mexico.

are you guys friendly with latin america?

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Should we be trying to convert porn stars to communism on instagram?

This is the stealth porn discussion thread

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Did Bookchin ever comment on the Black Panthers? They seem to have been doing a pretty solid job setting up a structure of dual power independent of the state before the FBI crushed them.

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So ameridumbs has already passed out, let's have civil discussion about what makes them so dumb.

Op is fag and starts by telling few reason:

a) They are descendants of the stupid europeans who were so stupid that they couldn't even make out in europe.

b) Their education system fucking sucks

..and this feeds vicious circle and poisons their culture?

Did I miss something? Please go on and tell it.

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so all the "Stalin did nothing wrong" & Mao / Castro / Best Korea worshipping are ironic LARPing right? Or does /leftypol/ actually have tankies?

If tankies actually exist on this board, do you guys care to explain how you justify being a tankie?

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Envy and jealously in communism

Recently I watched a video where the Marxist slavoj zizek says envy and jealousy will be a much bigger problem in communism because they won't be any material way to compensate.

Well if that's true, fuck communism. I don't want it. At least now I can pay a bitch to fuck me and pretend to like me for an hour . I'll gladly wagecuck for a couple days to afford that.

In high school I almost shot up the school with my dad's 9mm because no one would go to homecoming with me.

Beta uprising >>>> revolution

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Why are liberals so wrong about gun control?

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/pol/ got cucked again

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Lets turn the nazi shit on PixelCanvas.io into True Communism™



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I'm pretty sure this guy is an emotionless Jewish wizard.

How come he never smiles?

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Another trump fail that his 'fans' ignore


>Being only a nationalist or a globalist

Who here is Global-Nationalist master race?

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REALLY makes you think.

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Edge Lord Left

Maybe stylized edginess is the true revolutionary path. imo the left needs to get edgier/cooler if it hopes to beat the alt right. Punk Rock Red Guard traps waving confederate flags, the Baader Meinhof Gang for Occult Jim Jones Worshiping Nazbol Cultists, that's what we should be aiming for imo

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Suppressing your reactionary tendencies for the good of the cause

I'm pretty bigoted and I have an almost natural actually reactionary disgust for sex freaks. I also hate blacks a lot.

BUT I know that there's something far far important. Marx's analysis of capitalism is correct; it is heading for disaster and accelerating class struggle. As a proletariat, I need to remain united with my global brothers, because if I don't then the bourgeoisie will use their common might against me, as they have done to destroy communism everywhere.

This means that while I'm willing to tell you guys this, I will NEVER mention this to any comrades irl. I have completely zipped up my hatred for gays and blacks, so that it doesn't turn into idpol and destroy the cause. I browse both /pol/ and /leftypol/ but I know that /pol/ doesn't see the big picture, so I side with leftism and communism. As soon as you realize that Marx is correct, then anti-racist and internationalist activism becomes the only logical way to unite proletarians of the world, even if you hate them inside. It's the only position of rational self-interest that makes sense as a proletariat.

This is what I tell /pol/yps, capitalism will impoverish and destroy you before it destroys itself, so even if you hate blacks and gays you are only seeing the small picture. The nation-state isn't going to last because capitalism itself is destroying it, and you can't hold capitalism back by relying on capitalism, you have to go through and beyond it to a higher stage of production. An international society is inevitable. That doesn't mean you have to like anyone, but it does mean you should pretend to like them, because the struggle against capitalism is way more important than your personal tastes.

Who else here keeping their irrational seething hatred for deviants in check till after the revolution and the birth of the highest stages of communist society?

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Be honest

How many of you actually understand basic economics? I don't mean this in a taunting way, just so you know, but what makes you think any of your ideas (or the ideas you're following) is the the correct praxis? Why do you keep talking about "late stage" capitalism? How would you even identify the stages in capitalism?

So far only leftcoms are reasonable in terms of theory on this board.

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How to defend DPRK from imperialist hordes?

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Life Salary by Bernard Friot

I'm just sharing this video here hoping some of you would be interested by it


(video in french but you can put the subtitles in english)

Life salary includes :

- Abolition of private property for ownership by use ;

- A life salary with four levels of qualifications, starting at 1500€/month for everyone with the maximum level being 6000€ ;

- Extend cotisations (which are basically some kind of taxes) to the entire GDP, and repartition of the GDP this way :

→ 60% of the GDP for salaries,

→ 10% of the GDP for funds to fund free shit (free healthcare, free housing, free education, etc…)

→ 15% of the GDP for local investment funds controlled by elected employees,

→ 15% of the GDP for companies self-funding

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What should we do about climate change?

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Exclusive: Trump says he thought being president would be easier than his old life

>Exclusive: Trump says he thought being president would be easier than his old life

>President Donald Trump on Thursday reflected on his first 100 days in office with a wistful look at his life before the White House.

"I loved my previous life. I had so many things going," Trump told Reuters in an interview. "This is more work than in my previous life. I thought it would be easier."

>Trump, who said he was accustomed to not having privacy in his "old life," expressed surprise at how little he had now. And he made clear he was still getting used to having 24-hour Secret Service protection and its accompanying constraints. "You're really into your own little cocoon, because you have such massive protection that you really can't go anywhere," he said. When the president leaves the White House, it is usually in a limousine or an SUV. He said he missed being behind the wheel himself. "I like to drive," he said. "I can't drive any more."

Exclusive: Trump says he thought being president would be easier than his old life


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What is the difference between the Marxist theory of an inevitable communist revolution and Christian's Day of Judgment.

Both have been predicted to happen many times in the past and nothing has come from it

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>anarchists think you can 'abolish' the state

imagine being so stupid you think you can create a classless, moneyless society instantly after one revolution

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Murray Bookchin

Does he have all the answers?

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Workers World Party

If reddit leftists got together and formed a political party this would be it. I know a stalinist SJW guy who is a member. Can someone explain to me how you can defend stalin and mao killing millions of innocents and still be an advocate for safe spaces and all that other liberal SJW shit?

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New Angela Nagle Article about 4chan

Angela Nagle wrote another article about 4 chan. This time she focuses on the the concept of a "beta uprising." She also has some interesting things to say about tumblr feminism and its similarities to the idpol on 4chan. What do you think lads?

>It’s easy to mistake the beta rebellion for a youthful, but otherwise undifferentiated, variation on the bad old tradition of patriarchy. Yet the phenomenon bears the unmistakable signs of a new, net-bred brand of hatred of women. It exists squarely within the libertarian ethos that infused computer cultures spanning from the early, back-to-the-land, frontier hacker culture of the sixties and seventies to the Californian rebel capitalism of the dotcom neoliberalism of the nineties.

>In response to Harper-Mercer’s massacre, Salon ran the headline, “Toxic Masculinity Is Tearing Us Apart.” The Huffington Post and Ms. magazine ran articles declaring the problem was “masculinity, masculinity, masculinity.” Writer Soraya Chemaly asserted, “What we really need . . . is a public conversation about hegemonic masculinity in the United States. . . . Schools, parents, coaches and religious communities all need to be thinking deeply about how traditional ideas about gender and gender stereotypes work to create a national culture.”

>But how, exactly, does “hegemonic masculinity” accurately sum up a scene explicitly identifying as beta male? And can “traditional ideas about gender” really be bursting forth from an Internet culture that also features gender-bending pornography, discussions about bisexual curiosity, and a male My Little Pony fandom? What’s more, can a retreat from the traditional authority of the nuclear family into an extended adolescence of videogames, porn, and pranks really be described as patriarchal?

>Those seeking to defend their ideological turf will say that the killers are measuring themselves against a damaging masculine ideal, but at what point is this stretching the hegemonic masculinity theory so far that it becomes tautological—and a rote explanation for all bad male behavior?

>As one patiently surveys the varieties of online expression favored by beta males, it becomes apparent that, in addition to their all too palpable sense of self-loathing, they’re further actuated by a pronounced sort of class contempt. One key source of their rage—against both the sexual pecking order and society at large—is that their own sense of superiority over the masses, the unspecial “normies,” is not reflected back to them by others in real life.

>Beta-male defenders like Breitbart tech editor Milo Yiannopoulos have argued that feminism has created cruel conditions for men who are different and geeky, while some feminists criticize the beta rebellion even as they regard the marginalized masculinities at its heart as a progressive force—a kind of counter-hegemonic corrective to an older notion of masculinity based on physical strength and machismo. But surely the idea that geeks are a victim group is out of date today. The American high school movie cliché has for several decades been the story of the geeks and the jocks. Invariably in such popcult fables, we see how the bullied members of the former group go on to prosper and thrive in adulthood with their superior intellect, while the discredited high school impresarios of physical prowess languish in small-town backwaters, mired in dead-end blue-collar jobs and unhappy marriages. The hard-to-miss moral is that the geeks shall inherit the earth—and that the athletic, macho, blue-collar male, once admired for his physical strength, now deserves his own decline.

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'Cultural Marxism' is literally just what the right calls Critical Theory, yes?

So it's not so much a conspiracy theory inasmuch a misnomer? I mean, the Frankfurt School does critique culture from a Marxist standpoint, and it is correct to point out that 'SJWs' do borrow ideas from Marcuse such as 'repressive tolerance'.

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Marxism and Alienation

Does Marxism deal with actual alienation? Not the alienation from your labor as a worker but actual social alienation and atomization. It's a major problem right now and the postmodernists and the autright have that market cornered

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What kinda music does /leftypol/ listen to?

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Why do so many people here lack a proper materialist understanding of history? I'm seeing great man theories all the time

>If Lenin had lived longer

>If Trotsky had seized power

>If the German revolution had succeeded

>If Khruschev hadn't taken over

>If Straßer had seized power


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LARP'ing on a whole 'nother level

So today this Allen Scarsella guy who shot up a BLM protest is getting sentenced to 15 years in prison.

You can see lots of depositions and stuff in part 10 of this series. I'm posting a link that shows an earlier part where they used a lot of /k/ larping videos as material in the actual prosecution. Some of this shit is pretty cringey:


Oh and here's the actual story of the sentencing and stuff that wrapped up the case:



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Proto-Capitalism in the Medieval Islamic World

Does anyone know of any good books on the proto-capitalism in the medieval Islamic world, or can otherwise explain it in a post? This includes primary sources and books on the subject written long after (please rec translations).

Who are the most important economists from this era? The only one I know of is Ibn Khaldun and his Muqaddimah.

How influential were medieval Islamic economics outside of MENA?

Were any of the Western classical economists like Adam Smith influenced?

What role did proto-capitalism play in the empires' imperialism?

Had the Abbasid caliphate not collapsed and the Islamic Golden Age not ended, did the Islamic world have the mechanisms in place to allow for and incentivize global domination (economics, military, science, philosophy, religion, etc.), like the West has reached?

Did economics contribute to the decline and/or fall of the Abbasid caliphate and/or the Islamic Golden Age?

Also, you can talk about other stuff related to this subject, like Islamic economics in general and the Islamic Golden Age.

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"I'm a nationalist and a globalist" - President Trump

Mr. Trump dismissed talk about a split inside his White House between aides with a nationalist or globalist orientation. “Hey, I’m a nationalist and a globalist,” he said. “I’m both. And I’m the only one who makes the decision, believe me.” http://archive.is/mZqdl

we got thread anchored on /pol. Mods did not like it. http://8ch.net/pol/res/9815606.html#9815606

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what is the living embodiment of /leftypol/


>maoist party in government

>5012510 billion different splintered ML parties in parliament

>some generic demsocs/succdems sprinkled in (/pol/yps)

>only non-leftist party is a fascoid nationalist one in coalition with said maoists (/pol/yps)

>probably a bunch of primmy/ancom nomads living in the nooks and crannies of the himalayas

>dp'd constantly by india and china

>absolutely loves it

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Let's bring down the cancer of third-worldism


Look, I'm not going to call for a raid that'd be against 8chan's terms. I'm just saying report his account and make fake accounts. This guy is CRAZY. He's a drug dealer, he hates women, he's a leader in a third-worldist organization. Just report his account, make fake ones to illegitimize his shit, and let's get this POISON out of communism.

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Where does this 100 million bullshit come from?

Other than some hilariously obvious Reaganite propaganda, I haven't found any """sources""".

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childhood is when you idolize and admire Karl Marx, adulthood is when you realize Sorel made more sense

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Da ja der alte Deutschland-Faden der Downtime zum Opfer gefallen ist war es an der Zeit einen neuen zu machen wenn sogar die Holländer einen haben.

Zum Anfang was belustigendes:

>Der Mannschaftsbus sei "ein Symbol für die Politik des BVB, die sich nicht genügend gegen Rassist_innen, Nazi_innen und Rechtspopulist_innen einsetzt". Denn: Es dürften seit Jahren "auch Mensch_innen mit einer menschenverachtenden Gesinnung ins Stadion"


Top kek. Das ist ja wohl der schlechteste und billigste Versuch einer Antifa-False Flag die ich jemals gesehen hab. Wahrscheinlich denkt sich der Typ auch noch wie genial er den "linksgrünen Jargon" kopiert hat.

sollte sich das Schreiben als authentisch herausstellen bitte alle Antifanten an die Wand

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were famous now guize

>Leftypol is pathetic in my opinion as its whole existence is based uppon countering the original /pol/. They just can't do it. It's not 1968 anymore, you're not being edgy by saying "we're all equal" you can't get arrested in Germany for screaming "we need more muslims". Leftypol are what Comrade Stalin would call "useful idiots" for the benefit of the status quo and the state (pre-Trump).

>I'm having a hard time calling leftist memes "memes" because our memes spread almost on their own, they are witty, funny and they speak truth to power. Leftist memes are akin to government ads that are not subject to regulations. They are unoriginal and you can see them comming from 10km away. They are not shoking, they are not funny and their existance is based on ignorance of (for example) Trump or Nationalism or the AfD, FN etc. etc.

>Personally, most of them make me cringe; especially if they're being shared by people I know.

well guys this was posted on a deviantart by a self proclaimed rommel and trump fanboy from greece on a meme about antifa on a legitimate mylittlepony "natsoc neo confederate"

what do you think about their scholarly critique of our views and their completely accurate interpretation of our """LEFT"" ideals"

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Nick Land

What the fuck is up with the online cult around this guy? His early work is really interesting but in the past ten years he's turned into a drugged out maniac.

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Daily News Thread 4/27

Trump Rules Out Swift Nafta Exit in Favor of Renegotiation

President Donald Trump won’t immediately terminate U.S. participation in the North American Free Trade Agreement, the White House said, after he spoke with the leaders of Mexico and Canada about ways to renegotiate the accord.


Homeland security unveils Trump's controversial immigrant crime office

The Trump administration has unveiled a controversial new office set up to support the victims of crimes committed solely by undocumented migrants, which was quickly labelled a device for “scapegoating immigrants” by advocates who pointed to numerous studies showing immigrants are significantly less likely to commit crime.


Trump's immigrant crime hotline trolled with calls about aliens and UFOs

When the US government uses the term "criminal alien", it means someone who is not a US citizen that has been convicted of a crime.


Terror arrest near Houses of Parliament

A man who was carrying knives near the Houses of Parliament has been arrested on suspicion of terrorism offences.


Tony Blair refuses to back Jeremy Corbyn for prime minister

Tony Blair has refused once again to say he thinks Jeremy Corbyn would be the best prime minister, arguing that people should vote Labour to make sure Theresa May has a strong opposition.


Turkey arrests 1,000 and suspends 9,100 police in new crackdown

Turkey has detained more than 1,000 people and suspended over 9,100 police in a new crackdown against alleged supporters of the US-based preacher accused of orchestrating the coup bid against president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


'Israeli strike' hits military site near Damascus airport

An Israeli missile strike has caused a large explosion and fire at a military site near Damascus international airport, Syrian state media report.


Smoke grenades at rally against French presidential candidates in Paris

Smoke grenades could be seen being thrown at a demonstration in Paris where hundreds of protesters are marching against second round candidates for the 2017 French presidential election Marine Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron. French media reported that police deployed tear gas against the protesters.


New fears over damage from air pollution on blood system

Nanoparticles found in vehicle exhaust fumes can build up in damaged blood vessels and stay in the blood system for months, potentially raising the risk of a heart attack or a stroke, a new study suggests.


‘America is a white nation’: University flyer demands students report ‘illegal aliens’

A notice calling on “white Americans” attending University of Texas at Arlington to report illegal aliens to the authorities is causing controversy in the state, where students are debating the idea of making colleges a sanctuary for people facing deportation.


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post underrated/underappreciated lefty youtubers


i like this guy's vids, very concise, clean and understandable, exactly what politics should be

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Why do CEOs earn so much?

The last time I checked the average CEO pay for American companies is nearly $14million buckorinos.

CEOs are technically "staff" and not capitalist porkies shareholders (the two aren't mutually exclusive). The CEO is hired by the board of directors, which is elected by the shareholders, to maximise short term profits. The modern company structure didn't exist for Marx so the conventional texts don't seem to discuss this.

It would make rational sense for shareholder porkies on the board to pay the CEO a more "human level" pay and just pocket the savings as yummy dummy dividendies. So why do CEOs make so much fucking money?

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Will humanity even make it out of the 21st century?

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what the fuck is a "nationalist globalist" supposed to be


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It's all a god damn fake man! It's like Lenin said, "You look for the person who will benefit and, uh, uh you know, uh you know… you'll, uh, w- You know what I'm trying to say?"

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Well then…

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Hey leftypol, I'm still relatively new to Marxism and have been spending the past month looking at the different leftists branches.

The one that appeals to me the most so far is anarcho-syndicalism. Before I begin reading more on that, I wanted to get your thoughts on it. Is syndicalism a good method of raising class consciousness and laying the infrastructure for communism, or is it "petty-bourgeois socialism"

If it is petty-bourgeouis socialism, then what is a better way of achieving full communism? Is violent revolution the only way?

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Buttmad Trump supporters downvoting en masse Joe "Weedbro" Rogan podcast with Abby Martin


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Is this guy a Keynesian or what?

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Unpopular Opinions

Unions never organized against capitalism, they just barter so the workers are more happy while exploited. Welfare and Socdem policies delays revolution.

Feminism runs counter to Marxism. If base effects super structure, racism, sexism homophobia(all superstructure), should all be ignored in favor of class struggle.

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Ethereum Cryptocurrency

What does /leftypol/ think of cryptocurrency, specifically Ether? It's been blowing up recently as it's an improved version of bitcoin.

This is what I found most interesting:



>Now that you have developed your idea and secured funds, what’s next? You have to hire managers, find a trustworthy CFO to handle the accounts, run board meetings and do a bunch of paperwork.

>Or you can simply leave all that to an Ethereum contract. It will collect proposals from your backers and submit them through a completely transparent voting process.

>One of the many advantages of having a robot run your organization is that it is immune to any outside influence as it’s guaranteed to execute only what it was programmed to. And because the Ethereum network is decentralized, you'll be able to provide services with a 100% uptime guarantee.

Is this basically socialist money?

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New Ben Garrison cartoon, fresh off the assembly line.

people STILL think Trump isn't an establishment shill


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Is Steve Bannon a NazBol? NazBols do you support Steve Bannon?

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epic simpsons


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USSR Propaganda film: Mr. Twister

>USSR makes film on racial tolerance

>At the same time USA is literally hanging black people in the streets

Truly adds velocity to the neurons in one's head organ.


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>there's now a revolution in your country

>marxist-leninists are leading this revolution

what side do you join ?

inb4 I pick no side

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what do you guys think about strassrism?

it more leftwing than nazism and less antisemitic

to me, it looks like the best of the trash.

the only negative is that most strassrites are racist, but there is some who aren't

also if any strassrites want to post here they should use nazbol flag, i think a lot of the current nazbols should start using the nazi flag

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Politicians move to bury Lenin on centenary of revolution

Russian Communist Party rails against ‘scoundral’ authors of controversial Bill

>As Russia marks the centenary of the 1917 revolution that swept Vladimir Lenin to power, it might be time to give the late leader of the world’s first communist state a proper burial.

>That’s what a group of Russian parliamentarians thought as they tabled a controversial Bill this week calling for the removal of Lenin’s embalmed body from a mausoleum in Moscow’s Red Square, where it has lain since his death in January 1924.

Many Russians believed Lenin should be laid to rest in accordance with Russian Orthodox Christian traditions, said Vladimir Sysoev, a member of the pro-Kremlin Liberal Democratic Party and one of the authors of the proposed legislation. The timing and manner of the burial should be decided by a government commission.

>Gennady Zyuganov, the Russian Communist Party leader, slammed the authors of the Bill as “scoundrels”. Any attempt to remove Lenin’s body from the mausoleum would divide Russian society and risk unleashing violent unrest, he warned.

>Debate about Lenin’s burial has frequently surfaced since the collapse of the Soviet Union as Russia grapples to forge a new national identity and come to terms with the turbulent events of the 20th century


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Why do most econ majors turn out to be neoliberal scum? and what can we do about it?

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French Revolution History Discussion

While predating Marxism by only a little bit the French Revolution and its various offshoots had a staggering impact on not only the world but political and economic thought forever. I think it'd be interesting to have a chill but informed discussion of the events figures philosophies etc that fueled the time.

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thoughts on these absolute madmen?

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Hello /leftypol/

TL'DR: I am leaving the right and want to come to the left. I am currently a guild socialist and wish to seek a good ideology that is close to it. I just need suggestions.

Also, any other ex-rightists here? What made you join the left?

I have been on the right most of my political awakening. (Seven years). I was a libertarian(Read austrian economics daily), fascist (Genuinely read Giovanni Gentile until most national social justice warriors), and eventually became a 'strasserite after realizing capitalism is the main problem.

I have for a long while debated with ancaps and Neo cons (I mean libertarian nationalists) and they can't seem to understand the contradictory nature of their ideology. I quickly grew to hate them.

I would come to this place for awhile to read some of your material and I slowly warmed up to you folks. I'm ready to finally abandon the right.

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who here /liftingpol/

>No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training…what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. Socrates

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That commodification tho


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The communist party is the biggest party in Chile today.

PS: It isn't really communist.

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Depression Thread

>can't find a job despite looking fucking everywhere

>most likely because I'm 21 with no experience and not even a GED (dropped out due to depression and a drug/drinking problem, too much to go into here)

>NEET for 5 years before this so super ashamed that I am basically just a lumpenprole who does nothing for the working class

>have tried and chickened out of two different anti-capitalism events I've tried to organize with the few other Leftists in my area (they are really just left-liberals who larp as commies, they claim to hate the State and capitalism but all voted for Sanders and so on)

>been drinking heavily again and watching too much porn

>haven't lifted in a week and been over eating

>can feel porn dependency creeping back due to relapse after a No Porn stretch which lasted 3 months

Should I honestly just off myself? I'm still essentially a NEET I just donate plasma for money and spend less time on the internet now and I can feel that slipping away. I haven't donated in about 2 weeks and am basically just living off my parents again. Every day when I wake up my life feels more and more pointless and I have absolutely nothing to contribute to the revolution at all. I just sit around and drink and watch the Sopranos and beat off. I feel so disgusted with myself

Anyone else depressed

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The William and Mary YDS chapter is hosting a debate with their campus's TPUSA chapter. It'll be a 2v2 debate, starting at 7 PM ET.

Here's the link to the livestream: https://t.co/gXQI38uHVd

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Should I take an econ course at my local community college, or would it all be porkie propaganda?

If not, what are some /leftypol/ approved econ books

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How are MLs not idealists and utopian socialists?

Even anarkiddies have a better grasp of Marx.

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Poor Max. He hated spooks so much he became one.

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Are Christianity and social conservatism really that bad? Is ending history with total liberation that much better?

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Are all issues regarding shemales/traps idpol?

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How would an Annarkiddy answer this?


inb4 >leddit

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I love the idea of council Communism, But how do we maintain a council based society over a large geographic area (let alone the world) for a long period of time?

It might just be my cynicism asking and looking for reassurance

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Was Jesus a communist?

>inb4 yes

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John Deere just told the copyright office that only corporations can own property, humans can only l


This is the true future of Capitalism, where humans can no longer own property because it interferes with the ability to charges rents on everything in sight.

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i know this is mostly a socdem argument in the first place but how is increasing minimum wage good for the people/demand when corporations in response always just raise prices on their products anyway?

pic unrelated?

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Nazi senior lieutenant attempting false flag

A german senior lieutenant of the federal armed forces faked an identity as a syrian refugee, collected money as such, and attempted to hide an illegally posessed gun in an austrian airport toilet room, apparently in preperation for a false flag attack.

Nazis are literally this retarded.


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>implying the revolution will rise from the 3rd world

Of course there may and probably will be some instances, but things really are improving for many people in Africa, etc ares. Why would they desire a revolution if their future seems bright? There are of course also the people treated like slaves: but their potential is diminished by that very oppression in its extremity.

The real heart of the future large-scale revolution will be the youth of rich nations.

Why? They're quickly being denied the same niceties and muh privileges their parents still had. They know it will only get worse.Yet they're highly educated and still retain plenty of freedom. They are the true danger to capitalism; just look at how they vote inside liberal democracy; Melenchon, Sanders… When neoliberal policies will only disappoint them further, they will radicalise, for they have no future otherwise.

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why should i as a middle class person give a single fuck about the worker?

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Preconditions for political activity

Let's talk about something more pertinent than no gf and NEETs under communism. Lets talk about what kind of people you need to organize a successful political movement, and why most of us will never be a part of it.

Now there are a few preconditions to being politically active. The biggest one, I think, is that you need both an income, and a lot of free time. To be active in the bureaucratic and social aspects of a movement, you need a lot of time. Time you can put into activities, preparation of activities, meetings, paperwork, funding activities. But because political activism usually doesn't pay (unless you are part of a very narrow group of professional politicians), you also need a source of income to sustain yourself on a purely material level.

These things alone narrow the pool of possible political activists quite a bit: certain kinds of self-employed people who can mix work and political activity (journalists, writers), workers who don't have families (free time after work), students and other people funded by parents, and bourgeois. And the more time they have to put into political activity, the more dominant they will be.

Secondly, you also need certain skills if you want to effectively engage in political activity. At a very basic level, you need to be able to engage with people, to transmit ideas to them, convince them to do certain things, to effectively work with them for extended periods of time. You need to be sociable, and preferably very good at being sociable if you want to be an effective politician. If engagement with other people tires you out, you will make a poor politician, because it is by definition a social activity. This seems very much a predetermined thing.

Thirdly there's also a lot of stuff like being sly, charismatic, determined, intelligent, a correct dogma, etc. But I think these first two considerations, income/time and personality type, by and large rule most of us out as effective political activists. It also really tilts the field in favour of the bourgeois classes, explaining the gap between the type of policies we get and the kind of policies people want even in a formal democracy. So no need to beat yourself up for not being politically active if you are kept from it because of material conditions.

Now is there anything we could do about this? Well, to a degree you can to try and find alternative funding that leaves you with free time: benefits (autismbux, with or without fraud), illegal activity (it worked for the Bolsheviks), receiving philanthropy (sorosbux). As for the kind of person you have to be, that's mostly the luck of the draw.

So I suppose, in so far as you use your free time to organize politically, scam the system for all it is worth. Deal drugs. If you have the charisma to come out of your parents' basement, even a NEET can potentially contribute. Cheer up, NEET, your material conditions make a political life possible! Use your free time in political activities.

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Even Trump's daughter wants Syrian refugees in the US.


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Do you still hope for the future?

my thread got deleted for some reason.

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Nissan's ad & fetishism

In Nissan's recent ad they have a story of a sister standing up to a bully for his brother. The WTF part is at the end they transform into cars while the shot is blocked by a passing flatbed truck taking the bully (now car) away.

Why are ads becoming self-parodies, blatantly fetishizing the product?

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Spotting during Jessica Jones

And promptly GIFed for your shitposting pleasure.

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What book should i read to understand your "brand" of leftism the most?

Revolution and the state seems like a good start for Leninism but other than that i don't know what to read.

Help i don't want to be an uneducated lefty anymore!

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on egoism

MLM here. I've been recently researching egoism, and, so far, I really like it. I was wondering if this was an accurate description of it: https://pastebin.com/setAKNnR

(I wrote this as a way of studying, as it helps a lot, strangely, like how taking notes makes you memorize things better.)

Note that the pastebin was originally meant for Pierre Tru-Dank since I literally knew of no other egoists.

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Daily News Thread 4/25

US nuclear sub docks in S. Korea amid reports of massive artillery drills by North

A US nuclear submarine armed with guided missiles has made a port call in South Korea, while Pyongyang is reportedly holding massive long-range artillery drills amid muscle-flexing in the region and rising tensions between Washington and North Korea.


ISIS once ‘apologized’ to Israel for attacking IDF soldiers – former Defense Minister

Tel Aviv remains so “neutral” in the Syrian conflict that even Islamic State terrorists have on at least one occasion “apologized” to Israel for mistakenly attacking IDF soldiers in the occupied Golan Heights, according to a former Israeli Defense Minister.


Suspected Maoist rebels kill 24 soldiers in India

Suspected Maoist rebels have killed at least 24 paramilitary commandos and wounded six in a remote part of central India in one of the deadliest attacks of a long-running internal conflict.


Turkey hits Kurdish areas in Iraq's Sinjar, northeast Syria

Turkish warplanes carried out airstrikes on Tuesday against suspected Kurdish rebel positions in northern Iraq and in northeastern Syria, the military said, in a bid to prevent militants from smuggling fighters and weapons into Turkey.


Chobani Sues Infowars' Alex Jones Over Video Tying Refugees to Rape

Chobani LLC sued right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones over a video posted by his Infowars website linking the Greek yogurt maker’s practice of hiring refugees to an unrelated assault in Twin Falls, Idaho, where the company operates a plant with 1,000 employees.


Netanyahu cancels German FM meeting over Israeli rights groups row

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called off a meeting with German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel, Netanyahu’s spokesman said. The cancelation is reportedly due to Gabriel’s plans to meet human rights groups critical of Israel’s actions in the West Bank.


Ontario plans to launch universal basic income trial run this summer

The Canadian province of Ontario will launch a trial run of universal basic income with about 4,000 participants this summer, making it the first North American government in decades to test out a policy touted as a panacea to poverty, bloated bureaucracy and the rise of precarious work.


Premature lambs kept alive in 'plastic bag' womb

Scientists have been able to keep premature lambs alive for weeks using an artificial womb that looks like a plastic bag.


China bans religious names for Muslim babies in Xinjiang

List of banned baby names released amid ongoing crackdown on religion that includes law against veils and beards.


Israeli teen accused of 2,000 bomb hoax calls and blackmail

An Israeli teenager arrested for allegedly making bomb threats against Jewish centres in the US is facing charges relating to thousands of hoax calls worldwide, including against airlines and police stations, according to an indictment filed to a Tel Aviv court.


Housing’s Echo Bubble Now Exceeds the 2006-07 Bubble Peak


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This explains everything

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War with NK looming?

-Trump will host members of the United Nations Security Council at the White House Monday.

-U.S. Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley has scheduled Security Council meetings on Tuesday.


-Acting Spokesperson @Toner_Mark announces Secretary Tillerson will chair a special ministerial meeting of @UN Security Council on Friday.


-Top Trump administration officials will hold a rare briefing on Wednesday at the White House for the entire U.S. Senate on the situation in North Korea, senior Senate aides said on Monday.

-All 100 senators have been asked to the White House for the briefing by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the aides said.

-While top administration officials routinely travel to Capitol Hill to address members of Congress on foreign policy and national security matters, it is unusual for the entire 100-member Senate to go to such an event at the White House, and for those four top officials to be involved.


-House aides said they were working with the White House to set a similar briefing for members of the House of Representatives. via:Reuters

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NAFTA can stay for now


This isn't even Chess anymore, this is some hyperdimensional, non-Euclidean shit that has transcended any board game we can conceive.

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So there is a lot of talk on this board about how America is basically a third world country and is the most class clicked of all western nations but I think what often gets forgotten is that the most classcucked region of the entire class cuck capitol of the world is the South.

Any southern anons have any stories about the situation down here?

>highest obesity rate

>lowest age for average death

>highest rate of type 2 diabetes

>highest illiteracy

>highest poverty

>most religious

You name it we got it.

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I was in a left anime thread and it hit me- when anime girls are communists, it's not as funny.

It's funny when weeaboos are nazis, because the gap between stahlhelms and body pillows is so big. When shut in, bisexual virgins talk about the day of the rope it's humorous. When humanities grad NEETs floundering under student debts are communists, it's too congruent.

How do we win the irony block?

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My old thread was deleted (probably by a daemon given that multiple other presumably-non-shitposting threads went down with it).

I'd like to continue my discussion from >>1612132, from the time before the maoist shill sperged. Pic related.

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Makhno looks pissed here. What is he angry about?

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Is it a tankie board? It seems like it. But maybe I am wrong. Thoughts?

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Why would you as a white man or woman oppose white supremacy/nationalism? What do you as a white man or woman lose if white nationalists/supremacists come into power? I'm not /pol/ or stormfront or anything like that.

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The eternal debate

human history is the struggle of volcel against incel. /leftypol/, are you incel or volcel? pic related

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The self-employed.

The financial collapse of 2008 expanded and reinforced a trend of economic & class realignment that has been occurring since hte start of the information period: the rise of the self-employed intellectual. The advent of computers allows former members of the salariat to work independently of any organisation, becoming an artisan of the mind. In the UK, due to layoffs and redundancies that occurred due to the 2008 crash, the self-employed now make-up over 15% of the workforce.

Now, how do we turn this emergent class towards our cause? I mean their work is literally socialism: in this case individual ownership of the means of production and their own capital. Could the decline of corporate structures in the skilled service sector be the start of something new for us?