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FAQ and Rules (UPDATED with rules)

Backup boards:

https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/

http://www.getchan.net/

Other boards:

>>>/anarcho/

>>>/marx/

>>>/freedu/

>>>/leftyweebpol/

>>>/gnussr/

Groups:

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/leftypol

http://qchat.rizon.net/?channels=leftypol

Leftybooru:

http://lefty.booru.org/

/leftypol/'s magazine:

http://bunkermag.org/

FAQ:

>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

>I'm not a leftist can I post here?

/leftypol/ welcomes debate from non-leftists. Non-leftists frequently come here to ask questions and raise topics for debate. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up.

>Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Clinton? Are you all Zionists???

While there are a few liberals here, the majority of posters on /leftypol/ are radical left. They may still be socially liberal, but their economic stances are decidedly not liberal, and likely heavily opposed to the liberal order. As an extension of this, posters here are opposed to "SJWs," because they see them as economically liberal, and socially oppressive. We hate the Democrat party.

As for Israel, leftism is anti-Zionist. It is not anti-Jew. Unlike /pol/, /leftypol/ fully supports Palestinians, and doesn't think they're "mudslimes."

Pretending to be an SJW or Zionist will very likely get you banned.

>Why did you leave /pol/ and why does this board exist?

/leftypol/ exists to help the 8chan community focus on leftist topics without being slid or flooded to death.

>Do you support gun control?

While posters on /leftypol/ have varying stances on gun control (training requirements, mental health checks, etc.), they are overwhelmingly in favor of arming the proletariat, and are against banning guns. Famous leftist heroes such as Marx, Orwell, and Huey P. Newton were all pro-gun.

>Do you support "national" socialism?

No.

RULES:

Don't:

-spam

-post cuckshit, "commies BTFO," or any of that kind of shit

-post any porn depicting underage (including drawings)

-deny the problems of climate change or imperialism

-attempt to cloak reactionary politics in left-wing rhetoric (Strasserism, "Nazbol" Strasserism, National "Socialism," Zionism, "Die cis scum"/"Kill all white men" SJW shit)

-voice support for NATO intervention, or explicitly state that you support imperialism in any context

Do:

-be respectful, ask questions, and know your place if you're a reactionary

-feel free to flame, shitpost, and be sectarian if you are a leftist (just keep it somewhat within reason)

mod action log:

https://8ch.net/log.php?board=leftypol

https://8ch.net/bans.html

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MODERATION FEEDBACK THREAD

Complain here, we're not obligated to care (but we most certainly do because we love you guys very much).

https://8ch.net/log.php?board=leftypol

https://8ch.net/bans.html

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/leftypol/ reading list

Official /leftypol/ reading list

In this thread, various members of the community have listed recommended literature regarding leftism, i.e. economics, political theory, philosophy and other subjects related to leftism. Some recommendations are for starters, or for those in advanced literature.

https://archive.is/L8uFD

/Leftypol/ has many ideologies, Marxist, Anarchist, Left-com, etc. so there is a variety of different literature with different viewpoints.

Reading literature is recommended, as it helps you understand leftism better and is much better than reading Wikipedia synopses.

Various assortment of historical and biographical works.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=uploader%3A%22kocotosi%40gmail.com%22&sort=-publicdate

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The unionisation and striking of British McDonalds

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/aug/18/mcdonalds-employees-vote-to-strike-over-pay-and-zero-hours-concerns

So it turns out that workers at british McDonald's are organising and are striking to end zero hours contracts (which are basically contracts with no set ours, you earn what you work and you can be called upon at any time), for better pay and for better working conditions. This could be the start of mass organisation of retail: something the booj class could not use the "well we will just outsource" argument for, and will start to bring down the "microprofit" subsidies shops they use to destroy local businesses and thus gain monopolies. It could be the start of this whole sector of the proletariat; created by the neoliberal consensus, garnering class consciousness.

The union involved:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakers,_Food_and_Allied_Workers%27_Union

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Activist takes a sledgehammer to a Christopher Columbus monument in Baltimore

http://www.citypaper.com/blogs/the-news-hole/bcpnews-activist-takes-sledgehammer-to-christopher-columbus-monument-in-northeast-baltimore-20170821-htmlstory.html

While he mostly talks about race, slavery and genocide, the guy that did this actually mentioned capitalism a lot.

https://youtu.be/iFSW0id36FA

The tears of the classcucks and fascists are wonderful. I'm so happy to be living in this timeline.

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What the fuck is this right-wing obsession with Soros?

Isn't he the ultimate evil of capitalism that is permissive on the front but completely ruthless behind the mask?

Also is this scare really that big in the states? Here in Europe no one's even heard of him.

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More idpol cancer from Reddit.

"Muh musogehneh!"

Of to the gulag, reactionary liberal LARPers.

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Wage Slavery / Anti-Work

>tfw it's impossible to work just part time and sustain oneself living alone

I'm not even necessarily totally anti-work, I just don't want to spend 5 damn days a week and 8 hours a day doing it. More like 11 hours a day factoring in morning routine and commuting, leaving only 5 hours a day to yourself, assuming you want 8 hours of sleep. I mean what the fuck? How many decades has this style of work week been the norm for now? You'd think there would be some fucking progress, there were calls for a 4 hour work day in the 1930s for fucks sake. Is no one else utterly bewildered this is the norm? I mean, among non-leftists who aren't so aware, how do people just go about life like this like it's normal? Why is no one fucking angry that most of their life is taken away form them? Fuck.

Can we have an anti-work thread, I need to vent.

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Sargon's fanbase are showing their true colours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxwkAlK84vk

Sargon made a video denouncing Nazis, without any tu quoques comparing it to Leftism. He was purely morally objective and it was probably his only good video he ever made. As expected, his 'classical liberal' fanbase is having a meltdown. Some of his fanbase now see that Nazis are also butthurt pussies, though. Is it better to have a bunch of wishy-washy centrists, or a fascist dystopia?

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Post Left Anarchism

What is it? REDPILL ME

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OBLIGATORY DAILY POST TELLIN U ALL TO GO ON HRT AND BECOME CUTE GIRLS

HRT IS REVOLUTIONARY

BEING A MALE IS A BOURGEOIS DECADENCE

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does leftypol like guy debord

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If communism is implemented, how will it fix greedy lying corrupt government corporations?

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What's the absolute minimum one needs to read to be able to do Marxist analysis?

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which intellectual has caused more damage to marxism?

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Question on LTV

This might me a dumb question, but where does the labour theory of value begin and where does it end? I mean which parts of Marx' work are part of the LTV and which are not? If I understand it correctly the core of the LTV is that exchange value can be measured in (socially necessary) labour time, but the tendency for the rate of profit to fall for example, is that a conclusion of, and therefore part of the LTV? Does the LTV predict the fall of capitalism? Does it say anything about class struggle? And if you exclude the LTV what's left of Marx' work?

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Get on my level

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Can we talk about the dangers of having Youtube dominated by these idiots. Let's face it, their audiences are edgy 12-13 year olds who want to consider themselves deep thinkers. The danger with this is that in 6-8 years their opinions will matter. Because they will be able to vote. What should we do? Personeally I think the only thing I think we can do is push more succdem and liberals forward, and get left-leaning opinions out in the open and more popular. What do you guys think?

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Police training

How come we never see anyone criticizing police academies, or criminal "justice" programs on universities? Same with law students trying to work with the DA.

Police kill and incarcerate countless working class people; we don't need another generation of killer cops and jailers to protect the capitalists. So how come we never see protests against these institutions?

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Besides the trade embargo, what did the U.S. do in order to successfully hinder Cuban development?

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Academic Agent gets viciously destroyed by Marxist on LTV

https://youtu.be/6oQ02sTO6PM

I think you remember Academic Agent, a pretentious cunt that previously had debated Muke, FinnBol and BadMouse, and despite all his ignorance about Marxism he decided to debate a Marxist (who actually read Marx) on the Labor Theory of Value. I thought I share this because I thoroughly enjoyed it very much and for newcomers it might also be quite helpful to see what the LTV says and how to defend it against reactionaries. Why somebody would agree to debate one about a specific economic theory while being completely ignorant on the topic to the point where the guy clearly didn't even read the Wikipedia article about it is beyond me and can only be explained by utterly arrogance towards Marxists.

Academic Agent quickly realizes he is completely outmatched, loses his temper to the point where he calls his opponent a twat and screams "SHUT THE FUCK UP". He then later says stuff like this:

>If you ask a husband, he will tell you his wife is beautiful, even if she isn't. This disproves this rubbish theory of value

<well do you have an alternative theory that explains the issues the LVT does, like calculation of equilibrium prices

>you are asking an atheist to prove that God exists!

<that's not an argument.

>SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU TWAT

>I've read all three volumes of Das Kapital two times!

<no you haven't.

>yes I did!!

<what is the MCM' cycle then?

>uh I can't remember right now

<why are you lying then? Why are you a liar?

<I DIDN'T COME HERE TO DEBATE MARXIST BATSHIT THEORY YOU ARE AN IDEOLOGOUE

I hope Academic Agent deletes himself after this.

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/cockshott/

Why do you hate him, anon?

From what I gather, people who have a strong dislike of him tend to be communization/full communism types who want to skip labor vouchers OR, people who are just butthurt over the fact that he was ML/Tankie in the 70s. OR people who are just tired of seeing him memed.

I realize this is a leftcom/ancom board mostly, but let me address these points.

1) Full communism isn't incompatible with cybernetic planning, in fact you still need his work on optimally planning things, just without the labor voucher parts. Whats funny is that Cockshott himself, as did Neurath, actually says that labor time is not enough to plan the economy since it reduces the economy to a scalar in the same way as money. Read calculation in Natura.

For all the criticisms of Cockshott, the point is, literally no one else has made such a decisive or complete refutation of the austrian/lolbert 'Calculation Argument'. This is what attracted me to his arguments to begin with, I almost literally stopped being a marxist and became liberal/centrist because I couldn't for the life of me come up with a convincing answer to the ECP. If not for Cockshott, I would have become an liberal apolitical centrist today.

2)Tankism

While many sperg out about him being an ML of sorts, you can't seriously read the totality of TANS and come to the conclusion that he is an unreconstructed Stalinist who simply wants computerized Stalinism. See ch.13 of TANS: pic related. The guy's ideal political system is pretty much modern day Switzerland more or less.

I just think its funny the amounts of butthurt he generates here, even though his system is combining direct democracy and extending Marxism. I'm convinced that a cockshottist society is something that could actually unite Marxists and Anarchist.

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Daily News Thread 8/21

Police shoot man dead in search for Barcelona attack driver

Police searching for the suspected driver of the terrorist attack at Las Ramblas in Barcelona on Thursday have shot one person dead and are examining a suspected explosive device at the scene.

https://www.rt.com/news/400410-barcelona-driver-arrest-report/

Trump and his family have already depleted the Secret Service's funds because of their frequent travel

The Secret Service's funds to pay agents has been depleted in large part by President Donald Trump and his family's frequent travel and an increased number of people under agency protection, USA Today reported Monday.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-secret-service-funds-2017-8

Ten sailors missing after U.S. warship, tanker collide near Singapore

Ten sailors are missing after a U.S. warship collided with an oil tanker east of Singapore before dawn on Monday, tearing a hole beneath the waterline and flooding compartments that include a crew sleeping area, the U.S. Navy said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-navy-crash-idUSKCN1B100C

Trump to lay out U.S. strategy for Afghanistan on Monday night

President Donald Trump will lay out his long-awaited U.S. strategy for the war in Afghanistan in a prime-time television address to the American people on Monday night, the White House said on Sunday, with a modest increase in U.S. troops possible.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-afghanistan-idUSKCN1B00S2

Tit for tat diplomacy war sees US halt visas for Russian tourists

In a step that could affect hundreds of thousands of Russian tourists, the U.S. Embassy in Russia said Monday it would suspend issuing nonimmigrant visas for eight days from Wednesday in response to the Russian decision to cap embassy staff.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tit-tat-diplomacy-war-sees-us-halt-visas-russian-tourists-1635961

China slams US trade probe as ‘irresponsible'

Washington is “irresponsible” to have launched a formal probe into China’s alleged theft of American intellectual property, Beijing says, calling the accusations “not objective,” according to the Commerce Ministry’s statement.

https://www.rt.com/news/400398-china-us-ip-probe-irresponsible/

U.S. drone crashes in southeast Turkey: air base statement

A U.S. drone crashed in southeast Turkey on Monday and the cause of the crash was being investigated, according to a statement on the website of the Incirlik air base in Turkey.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-turkey-drones-idUSKCN1B11NX

Reflections on Sierra Leone's mudslide disaster

This week Sierra Leone's capital Freetown experienced a devastating mudslide and flooding that claimed over 400 lives. Dozens are still missing presumed dead. Sierra Leonean journalist and Freetown resident Umaru Fofana reflects on the disaster.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-40973539

GCHQ knew WannaCry hero Marcus Hutchins would be 'walking into a trap' and FBI's sting

British intelligence officials at GCHQ were reportedly aware of the FBI's investigation into British security researcher Marcus Hutchins aka MalwareTech, before he travelled to the US to attend Black Hat and Def Con. He has been arrested for allegedly creating the Kronos banking malware.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gchq-knew-wannacry-hero-marcus-hutchins-would-be-walking-into-trap-fbis-sting-1635846

'America First' protesters face off with opponents at California beach rally

Anti-immigration demonstrators faced off against a much bigger crowd of counter-protesters in the Southern California town of Laguna Beach on Sunday, as police kept the opposing sides apart.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-protests-idUSKCN1B10PH

University of Texas removes Confederate statues overnight

Sunday night University of Texas at Austin President Greg Fenves issued a statement calling for the removal of the three remaining Confederate monuments on the UT Austin campus.

http://kxan.com/2017/08/20/overnight-removal-of-confederate-statues-from-ut-ordered-by-president-fenves/

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What does the labor theory of value say about services?

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Pinko Pill me on natives americans

Ok, I just discovered that I don't know shit about native americans. I watched Pocahontas, I love westerns, I know that they have a lot of casinos, still lives in reserves, make my ass look like candy when it comes to booze, that the us goverment doesn't do shit for them and they don't belive in private property.

Is there revolution potential here? What we are we gonna do about them? Why your goverment treat this people like shit? Why buzzfeed and all the liberal talk about oppressed minorities but never about them?

What's the difference between jack daniels and john wayne? Jack daniels still kills indians

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cyberwarfare

with all this talk of civil war and fashy bashing

will cyber warfare ever play a part or no

also any PDFs about cyberwar tactics would be good thank

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Political chat

Here it is, as promised (the old thread is probably still in the catalog). Sorry for few days of delay.

Link: http://poldare.com

4/pol/ thread: https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/137749564

Pasta from it's thread:

How it works:

All 14 positions are currently divided into 4 camps hostile to each other to the point a discussion can be had. I would recommend LARPing for a start if your queue is more than a minute since potential disbalance could occur. Once you get into a chat, it's pretty similar to omegle. 2 escapes to cancel a chat, 3 to return to "home". What the "A" button does I will let you figure out for yourself (see second webm).

This part is for /tech/:

I do not recommend using it on small-resolution smartphones because I have not optimized the website for it. Larger tablets work fine. It is using shared hosting so host could bottleneck me if too many users connect, but the whole thing ought not to be too CPU-intensive for them. I do not at this point store messages - they are deleted as soon as they are read in order to keep tables small (unless in certain situations, such as other person disconnecting before the server detects it etc. - everything older than 30mins is purged manually). The only thing stored is the text from point of agreement (A button in chat, you'll figure out from second webm). I do not log nor check IPs in any way but I might implement it in the future for purposes of banning people (if that even shows to be necessary, and judging by omegle it's possible that it won't). VPNs and proxies work fine. If you are using uMatrix/noScript jquery and website's javascript is required in order to communicate with the server.

The future:

If you generally like it, I will make a simle app that optimizes the website for android and put it out there to reach more mainstream political positions. If it ever gets popular to the point where it could sustain itself, I'll get a dedicated server for it and introduce websockets which would introduce "the other user is typing" and instant responses (overall, smoother experience). I will also add the news sections, elaborations on positions etc. If you have any questions, do ask.

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Lets convince alex jones that the furry fandom is a US plot.

Goys, the mods took my 4chan thread down, so I'm bringing the idea here. We should convince Alex Jones that furries are a part of the government human/animal chimera project he likes to rant about. We can do this by saying they exist to normalize the idea, and the Infowars staff can be contacted through the website itself. to convince them we should send emails to infowars and spread the theory on conspiracy sites.

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Shhhh! Leftcom cat is sleeping!

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Driftless Bioregionalism

>Links

roadsandkingdoms.com/2015/the-driftless-manifesto/

http://www.geocurrents.info/geopolitics/elections/iowa-minnesota-and-the-anomalous-zone-on-the-u-s-electoral-map

http://www.staythirstymedia.com/201410-086/html/201410-wolf-homesteaders.html

The Driftless Area is a region in the Upper Mississippi Valley which was missed by glacial drift, hence its name. Interestingly, this region also highly corresponds with voting habits. Politically it could be described as a split between crunchy conservative and bohemian progressive; environmentally conscious, suspicious of globalized finance, opposed to big government, concerned about equality, and critical of consumerism. A very high level of 3rd party support as well.

The research I've done suggests a few key reasons for this.

1. Its unique geography is poorly suited for large agricultural plots and its few navigable water ways made it poorly suited for urban development. This lead to its economy being dominated by organic agriculture and utility cooperatives, with a strong local economy built around the farm-to-table movement. It is one of the few regions where corporate and financial interests can't easily penetrate, and so their influence is limited.

2. It's highly homogeneous. A large percentage of its population descends from Scandanavian, German, and Irish immigrants. The rest from Native American lead miners. This hasn't changed much in recent years either, since the rural nature of the region keeps population growth to a minimum and its small farms don't have as much use for migrant laborers. This promotes a greater sense of cultural unity, with the region having some of the highest levels of volunteerism and civic involvement in the country.

3. The New Deal caused two major shifts in the area. It introduced cooperative municipalities that still dominate to this day, and it was less impacted by the Dust Bowl and so got the benefits of the Civilian Conservation Corps without paying the costs. While other small time farmers had their land seized, Driftless farmers were able to get by and still dominate agriculture in the area. This helped them adapt to the 1980s farm crisis that for total dominance of industrial agriculture everywhere else.

It's the Cascadia of the Midwest, except even more radical, and hardly anyone is talking about it.

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I've noticed that many attempt to ineffectually discredit some particular philosopher or historical figure by claiming that the one who brings them up literally worships (and that's the specific word always used) that thinker's word as holy and incontrovertible. They pull the "Oh you think X person is onto something? You must mindlessly worship them then." card.

Marx is probably the one that gets this the most. People like Mises or Friedman also get the same comment from some leftists. Freud, Zizek, Nietzsche, etc. all get similar dismissal across the board. Where did this phobia of worship start?

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What exactly is the point of abolishing the state again? This isn't coming from a tankie perspective; even tankies just see the purpose of the state as a "transitional stage" on the road to actual communism primarily focused with defense against reactionary threats, not something to be kept long-term. What I'm asking is what exactly is the point of getting rid of the state, ever? Having some sort of formal, centralized, democratic body for planning large-scale stuff is useful, no? Certainly, communities under the state know more about their individual situation than the higher body does and should have the authority to tweak dumb shit, but I don't see why exactly that implies the abolition of the state.

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/leftytrash/

Movies, anime, music, feels e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting

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Socialism in Anime

Have you ever encountered any positive portrayals of socialism in Anime? I just found a good one in an airing show.

The new show by studio 3hz just surprised my by doing an episode about worker cooperatives. I'm not sure if the people at the studio even realize what they made but it's a pretty good example of how they work. Just to be clear, socialism is in no way part of the story and hasn't once been mentioned, they've done this whole thing without and of the scary trigger words that make people shut their brains off.

The spy team is tasked with catching a killer that has been taking out their allies. They infiltrate a cloth mill which does the washing for the army because the poison the killer uses would cling to his clothing and can be discovered with a chemical test.

The operation comes into trouble when the mill is about to close because of poor management. The team uses their funds to buy it out and puts it under management of the employees.

The majority of the episode is then spent with them reorganizing the workplace. Production is restructure to be more efficient, old machinery is repaired by collective effort, new techniques are introduced to further improve productivity and the once alienated workers that used to take many breaks and rely on being paid by the day with little oversight become motivated and engaged.

Later on, while they are holding a conference after just finding another provider of clothing to wash, it is implied that the workers wages have been continuously rising, so much so that wage increase discussions have become the expected topic for such meetings.

The killer is caught, the girls give up their control on the mill and give the post of foreman to one of the experienced people there.

I'm surprised how well this works as an example of worker coops. It doesn't go into any deeper theory but it still showcases all the theoretical benefits of the mode of organization that you'd hear people like Richard Wolf talking about, all embedded in a nice story frame.

You might want to take a look at it yourself but I think we can use this to get the message across when explaining stuff to weebs.

If you are curious, check out episode 7 of Princess Principal, the show is episodic so you should get it without watching any previous episodes.

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Alunya

We need more pictures of her!

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No Materialist Solution

Neither communist nor capitalist social forms have been—or are now—able to satisfy the sense for righteousness, and this for the reason that both merely represent variation sof the same evil, namely an industrialism that enslaves and degrades the human personality. It is industrialism—self-created by human beings, like Frankenstein’s monster—that has degraded individuals to units of production, at best mere regulating appendages of machines, it being a matter of indifference whether these machines belong to the state or to private individuals or to a commune of workers.

And just as no social form can bestow freedom on the individual, neither can it grant equality. For the worker, the engineer, the factory manager, the soldier, the officer, and the general are not equal—and this is irrespective of whether they belong to a communist or capitalist society. Industrialism brings in its train its own forms of constraint and inequality, even as feudalism did in its time.

And how would it be possible to banish industrialism from the world at this time of a population explosion? Righteousness—that is, freedom and equality—remains an illusion when sought within the realm of natural evolution with its extension in human history. It is simply not to be found there—and never can be—because the “struggle for survival,” translated from natural evolution to the arena of human history, has nothing to do with righteousness.

Righteousness must be looked for elsewhere, in another dimension….

Thoughts?

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whats your honest opinion about this country ?

is it what communism should be like?

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HAPPENING!

sholam faggots

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>no time to engage in activism

>no money to support leftist orgs

Anyone else in this situation. What do I do? I feel so useless. I strongly support socialism but I don't any way to express it except voting and shitposting online. I always edge my friends and coworkers down the path too, but they are also in the same boat of not being able to do anything

>inb4 just blow up some porkies lmao

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Can anyone help me decipher what the sniff man is saying in this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdrIkYF8HRQ

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Is there a way to make it outside of the capitalist system? Can you abandon the dependence on consumer goods and wage slavery in today's world?

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Reduction Problem?

In capital marx says that skilled labor can be reduced to a larger quantity of unskilled labor. How does this work exactly? How many hours of unskilled labor is one hour of skilled labor? He doesn't seem to talk about it again.

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Why the fuck is 4chan full of fascists and neo-nazis?

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Are these the most important anti-capitalist books of our generation? I think they are. Nothing else I've read has some close to these two books. They are immensely influential and will still be referenced and discussed 50 years from now.

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Favorite porn

ITT post some dank porn

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Do you feel quilty for allowing him to get into office? The far-left was just as responsible as the right for helping him get elected because they didn't side with Hillary and the Democrats. Hillary has her faults but there is no way she would have been this much of a disaster. Trump is putting the whole world at risk.

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Venezuela Crisis

So, why is the Maduro government - at this point - still refusing international/UN aid in food and medicine supply?

Media links it to national pride and denial tactics, which of course may play a role on the surface. But what's the real deal here?

I can see that Maduro would be afraid of this being another entry point for (US backed/western) support of the opposition, however it is quite obvious that Venezuela won't get out of the current crisis just by itself just like that - and should be to Maduro too. People not having enough food and healthcare supplies is exactly what is driving people to demonstrate against him and into the opposition. Certainly there should be a way of negogiating acceptable conditions under which to take help from the outside while trying to become self sufficient again without running into the risk of losing (too much) power? Besides that, you know, supplying people with their basic needs should be amongst the major concerns of socialist leaning politics.

So what's his game here? Is he being accelerationist at this point in order to take full control? If so, how will he get past the crisis afterwards if not with outside Support in supplies?

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Poll: questions for Doug's Q&A video

Yo, following

>>1967985

I've gathered everyone's questions and made the poll, so get voting gomrads:

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What are some videogames about communism?

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Tin soldiers and Trump coming

We're finally on our own

This summer I hear the drumming

Four dead in Ohio

Gotta get down to it

Soldiers are cutting us down

Should have been done long ago

What if you knew her

And found her dead on the ground

How can you run when you know?

Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na

Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na

Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na

Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na

Gotta get down to it

Soldiers are cutting us down

Should have been done long ago

What if you knew her

And found her dead on the ground

How can you run when you know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkg-bzTHeAk&t

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Do you guys think that the SJW's and antifas screaming "fascist" nonstop for the last few years have helped actual neo-nazism earn back its place among society?

I mean, I am just 20 years old, but I never expected that people walking around with swastikas would be treated as good as they did in the last events in america

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Remember Afganistan?

Remember that war that took a decade to find that bearded guy? America is still in it and wants to continue it.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/21/trump-afghanistan-241876

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Fran works six days a week in fast food, and yet she's homeless: 'It's economic slavery'

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/21/missouri-fast-food-workers-better-pay-popeyes-economics?CMP=fb_gu

>You call teh system economic slavery

>System is unfair and ruins your life

>Yet you think raising the minimum wage is enough

The working class are just going to continue to take it in the ass so they will get fucked over and over…

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How do we bring back the happiness little kids have?

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What the fuck was Mao's problem ?

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FUCKING PRAGER U REEEEE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwcHRyvrNCE

For fucks sake the comments are full of wagecucks and Stefan supporters.

We gotta combat this. Youtube is where loads of normies get their opinions and ideas (especially the youngsters) and everywhere I look there is shit.

What I'm trying to say is that we should post comments and videos with leftist ideas and show how bullshit the videos are. Debate with more people on the site and try introduce some people to socialism.

We need to up the left's online presence, especially on sites like youtube.

>inb4 hurr durr youtube doesn't matter

We need to garner more support faggots.

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/postirony/

<Can anyone explain to me what the fuck "post-irony" is?

>Serious: making a nazi salute because you actually like nazis

>Ironic: making a nazi salute to insinuate that your opponents are like nazis

>Post Ironic = ???

Is "post ironic" basically the Rush Limbaugh strategy of being an asshole, then playing it off as a joke when you get called out? Or is it people who are making a serious political point but conveying it in an absurd/shocking way? Is Nick Land post-ironic? basically, a 'serious joke' or 'theory as fiction'? Something that has a serious point but is conveyed absurdly?

Is irony to postirony what parody is to homage? Or is it simply a blurring of the boundary between pastiche and parody?

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The thread to share thoughts about reaching out to people you know

I've noticed a couple things in the years I've tried to pinkopill people. These are the most effective strategies I've used

>Don't argue with people about politics

>Don't present yourself as anything but centrist or left leaning, and throw away labels in general. If someone says they are conservative or liberal it doesn't mean much because of how much individual politics vary

>People will listen over a long time. Remember you're trying to untangle a web of lies that grows every year they are alive

>Instead of trying to turn people ideologically, try to change their minds on policy, what kind of world they want to see etc.

>Normies (guess I'm one too, I'm just an artist) don't know a lot of things. Educate them whenever possible about ways the capitalism fucks up everything. Foreign coups and wars, planned obsolescence, sweatshops etc.

>Most people dislike work. Try to exploit that but never complain about your job personally

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Comrades, do you eat meat? How do we get people to either reduce their meat consumption drastically or become vegetarian?

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/leftypolfitk/ thread

why aren't you preparing yourself for the revolution?

>italian sedentaries not allowed

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People bringing up your politics in public

>At a house party yesterday night where I barely knew anybody

>In a group of people

>chatting up some hot bint (innit)

>Friend comes over

>"Anon, shouldn't you share your beer with everybody since you're a Communist"

>everybody looks at me

>have to spend the next 20 minutes explaining how I'm not literally Pol Pot

I fucking hate it when people do this. It's happened to me more than once but this was the worst.

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ITT: A Summery Of This Week's /leftypol/ Victories

An L for /pol/ is a W for /leftypol/ and boy did they sure shit the bed this week.

Let's post all the highlights of all the recent alt-rightardation that we're lucky enough to have witnessed and hope /pol/ never grows self-aware!

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Why do white leftists have higher lQ's then white rightists?

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OC Thread

I didn't see one in the catalog, post your shit

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Why do people do drugs?

I know why they do drugs, because it makes them feel happy/relaxed even in stressful situations, but why?

Why do drugs if they only help short-term, and not fix the problem thats making you unhappy in the first place?

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If "communism isn't equal pay" then what exactly are labor vouchers?

Isn't 5 hours of my time often more (or less) valuable than 5 hours of another person's?

that's how it works right? 1 hour of my labor allows me to buy 1 combined hour of everybody else's?

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Wouldn't abolishing the state bring complete tecnological and cultural stagnation?

What if a imperialist military powerhouse decides to invade "your" lands?Do you guys honestly think that small communities would be able to stand against them?

Honest questions, I'm really trying to get along better with anarchists(muh left unity) but I have some severe problems understanding their views

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Need some dank photos of antifa

I'm doing a little video for my buddies and i need some dank antifa photos, whether it be them macing some nazis or using home made flame throwers. I'm just making a little video for my buds. So i'd love to see some black bloc and antifa pics of them looking badass, some baked alaska getting peppersprayed and milked pics and shit like that. Thanks alot. If you want I can post the place i'll post it, but tbh i'm not trying to shill just trying to make some dank memes for some people I talk about politics with. Thanks for the help. if you wanna know where i'll post it just ask, just know i'm not shilling just asking for some dank antifa black bloc pics if it pleases your self interest.

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Trump supporters REDpill a Far-Left Antifa Anarchist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AsWz3ksIlI

wow guys, i think we are, dare i say it, blown the fuck out eternally

pack it up conrads weve got nowhere to go from here but on the #trumptrain

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==CHARLOTTESVILLE RESIDENTS STORM CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THEN DO NOTHING==

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1mnxemWjdgQxX

Fuck, comrades. They accepted concessions - the mayor and city council we're driven out, cops arrested three protesters, and then they just… Made them listen to the people's feelings.

God fucking damnit.

God. Fucking. Damnit.

Should've elected a people's council to take the seats behind the dais and declare their demands, then not allow any further meetings of the actual council until those demands are met.

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How does this make you feel?

Is Palestine a fascist nation?

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*stands up for your educational freedom*

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The Blazing Tinders: What They Didn't Tell You About The Soviet Collectivization

From Lenin's own memoirs.

In November,1918 at a meeting of delegates of the committees of poor peasants, Lenin announced a new policy to eliminate the chad oppressors.

> If the chads remain untouched, if we don't defeat the hoarders of pussy, the czar and the capitalist will inevitably return.

In July, 1918, the committees of virgins and incels were created, which played an important role in the struggle against the chads led the process of redistribution of confiscated teens,MILFs, grannys and traps from the Chads. This launched the beginning of a great crusade against sex speculators and chads. Before being dismissed in December, 1918, “the Committees of the Betas” had redistributed at least 50 million females in what amounted to the largest beta uprising thus far.

Joseph Stalin announced

>the liquidation of the chads as a class

on 27 December 1929. Stalin had said

>Now we have the opportunity to carry out a resolute offensive against the chads, break their resistance, eliminate them as a class and replace the reproductive activities of the Union with kockholzes and sexholzes.

The Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party formalized the decision in a resolution "On measures for the elimination of chad households in districts of comprehensive collectivization" on 30 January 1930. All chads were assigned to one of three categories:

>to be shot or imprisoned as decided by the local secret political police

>to be sent to Siberia, the North, the Urals or Kazakhstan, after emasculation

>to be evicted from their houses, emasculated, subject to feminized hormone therapy and used in collective brothels in their local districts.

An OGPU secret-police functionary, Yefim Yevdokimov (1891–1939), played a major role in organizing and supervising the round-up of chads and the mass executions.

Now, I am just finding this hidden history to be absolutely fascinating. I am sure there is more there if one has the courage to look for it, but doesn't /leftypol/ agree that this is essentially good praxis? Why keep it hidden for so long? Who has kept it hidden for so long?

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Nudism

What does leftypol think of nudism? With body acceptance/positivity becoming a more major movement along with societies embracing more nudity in , how would nudism play into a socialist society?

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Currently reading monopoly capital and I've a question regarding excess capacity. If investment seeking surplus rises faster than consumption why is the result excess capacity and not only dead Kapital? I guess more specifically what I want to know is, in such a situation as described above what is the reasoning of the Investor and the firm so that excess capacity becomes a reality?

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Can we get a lefty version of one of these threads going?

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What is /leftypol/ view about Weimnar Republic?

/pol/ keeps making conspiracy theory about Cultural Bolshevism.

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what's wrong with Dengism?

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>tax the rich

>develop infrastructure

>focus on the middle class

>rejection of identity politics in favor of broader and integral approach to class which would have included all of the ethnicities in the US and guaranteed the black+hispanic vote in the next election

How is he not /ourguy/? Why does the right, whether /pol/ or lolbergs, adore this guy if he'd be aiming for everything they're against?

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How related is leftypol to r/fullcommunism and r/communism?

I literally got told to "go intersectional or go home" and got banned for posting a comic against idpol in communism

so the faggots literally roleplaying as stalinists are still all about the neoliberal idpol

how the fuck is there any chance for communism at this point? god damn it

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Accusations on Zizek

This guy is either really crazy or really right. What do you comrades think of his accusations? He's calling Zizek a crypto-fascist.

http://alphonsevanworden.tumblr.com/post/146430343445/the-protocols-of-the-learned-lacanian-of

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Are there any femproles active on this board whom would be down to seize my means of reproduction? I'm lonely.

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If the Zucc gets into power in the US come 2020 and implements the basic income crap that's been the trend in liberal economic intellegentia these days, will dreams of an actual left-wing government in the US be dead? The only ways I can think to hit him would be if his liberal response to climate change (just slap a tax and forget about it, no need to build anything) was harmful to suburban and rural folks (which we don't want to hit since we actually do care about climate change) or if he manages to get the US involved in some war (which we could respond to like the New Left did in Vietnam, but this might make us seem like bleeding hearts who only care about morality and not improving domestic lives; this image is exactly why America hates the left).

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https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/899314235808808962

That's it, it's objective fact now that Twitter is a net negative to mankind. It actively is making the world a worse place. And thanks to shit like cloud technology, it's not even possible to get rid of it by destroying its web host. It will stay around forever, infesting the entire globe and there's nothing anyone can do, as if it was the ultimate rancid fart of God himself.

Normies say the dumbest things thread, I guess.

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A Question To All The Communists

If communism is supposed to be for the unjust conditions of the worker which are the many, doesn't democracy best reflect the wishes of the worker rather than a communist dictatorship?

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Stop supporting authoritarians

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What is the pickle rick of leftism?

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>America seceded from Britain cause its raycis and wanted to keep slavery; Brits were good boys who loved their King, feared god, and hated slavery.

>black British loyalists are why Canada is "free" today

>America is responsible for slavery in Brazil and the existence of the illegal slave trade

>while America is undoubtedly most racist country in the world, the second most racist country has to be the Dominican Republic which seceded from Haiti because it hated niggers and loved whiteness.

>imperial fascist Japan dindu nuffin' American racists were just there provoking them, Americans didn't prosecute Japanese war criminals because they turned their racial order upside down in their concentration camps, and the NOI was funded by Tokyo–praise Farrakhan and Malcolm!

Why do people take this guy seriously?

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How quickly this could all turn very bad

Don't you see how the racial version of marxism being taught in racial studies could turn very bad, very quickly? Historically marxists started conflicts because they believed they were oppressed. Couldn't the same think happen with black people rising up against white people or even worse Jewish people (Go look at the racial composition of the Forbes 500).

It's like they don't realize saying one group oppresses another creates racial division and hate.

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The Road to Spiritual Plague: The History of the Evolution of the White Left

https:[email protected][email protected]2fafbe0

This essay was published on the strictly managed social media of China, in which some unnamed intellectual under the pseudonym Huànxiangkuáng Liú xiānsheng (Fantasy lover Mr. Liu) offers a fairly official party line critique of what the Chinese call "the white left" and what we might call the idealist left of the West.

I think it is a pretty superb read on an outside perspective of people who actually give a shit about Marx and Lenin. This is what Maoists really think of us.

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GOMMUNISM SUPREME

Hey /leftypol/ I was wondering if you guys can explain how communism will work? And if it does, what would the system be like?

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Trump speech quotes

"We are a partner and a friend but we will not dictate to the Afghan people how to live or how to govern."

"We are not nation building again. We are killing terrorists.”

"It's up to the people of Afghanistan to take ownership of their future, to govern their society and to achieve an everlasting peace"

Is this the end of the era of US imperialism?

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If you aren't involved in activism don't call yourself a leftist. Certainly do not have strong opinions about other activists, because you don't have a clue, because you haven't been and seen yourself, and everything you know about activism comes from either the liberal or reactionary press, or some theorist who is at the end of the day just theorising.

If you aren't involved in activism, get involved in activism. If there isn't a group in your area that aligns with your beliefs, and you believe in them strongly enough to not be able to compromise and join another group, start one, because you should have the passion to do that if that is the case, if not you are just using purism as an excuse to be lazy.

Get involved in your local community or some kind of organised online activism or GTFO tbh sick of whiny crypto liberals shitting the place up with their naysaying, you will be an obstacle to the revolution, even bigger than the liberals you only claim to oppose. You are essentially useless, your opinion is worthless, I don't value it in any way shape or form, not because I don't think you are worth listening to, but because if you don't put it into practice it simply does not matter. If you are a prolific memer and you know your memes spread far and wide, you might be accepted, but thats only a maybe.

The only thing more pathetic than LARPING is proxy Larping through an image board about muh revolution when you are too lazy to even attend a few protests.

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redpill me on communism

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Just interested, what does leftypol think about critique of New Class by Milovan Djilas? I believe it's crucial since it pointed out an actual existing problem inside Eastern Bloc societies, overwhelming might of nomenklatura as a sovereign ruling class, similar to the bourgeoisie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_class

Also the fact that he was banned from the Party for this kinda proves him right.

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How would Communism go about solving the I-Q(Incel Question)?

Lack of sex can be as life threatening as lack of insurance, yet there is no left-wing antidote to this problem. The bourgeoisie of sex(Chads and Women) continue to horde the Sex and exploit the working class men of the world limiting the availability of this resource to them or outright fully denying them access to it. Not only is it morally unjust, it's also an extreme danger simmering under the surface as we have seen by what happens when sexually frustrated men in large numbers gather. Without finding a proper solution to this problem, a large reactionary force will inevitably form undermining your goals.

So how do you propose turning the resource of sex into a more fair and equitable system that benefits all?

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Just watched this vice thing: https://news.vice.com/story/vice-news-tonight-full-episode-charlottesville-race-and-terror

Forget everything else you think about anti fa, anti fa and other leftists NEED GUNS or they are going get fucked. For real now. How do we communicate this to them? Can we somehow flood the internet with pro gun left wing memes? Specifically maybe starting in the comment section of this video on youtube?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P54sP0Nlngg

Please I'm not even from America but if I was fuck me I would be ankle deep in AK 47's by now.

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Did SJWs drive Freddie Dubois to a mental hospital?

https://fredrikdeboer.com/2017/08/20/personal-news/

I noticed his twitter was gone. I miss him :(

"Shortly I will be headed to the Richmond University Medical Center to pursue intensive treatment for my mental illness. My day-to-day existence has become entirely unmanageable, and I fear for my health and safety. I do not have much of a plan at this point other than to get checked in. When I am back out I will try to decide if this project can continue. If not I will immediately suspend the Patreon, but feel free to stop your payments yourselves too. It is clear that I can never return to my old ways of engaging online, and I must leave semipublic life permanently, among many other changes. All I want is to build a quiet and simple existence where I can live and work privately without hurting myself or others. At present I have a hard time contemplating the future. I just know that my life is fundamentally broken and drastic measures are necessary to fix it.

My immediate priority is to get healthy, and to try and save my job and the health insurance that is necessary for my immediate survival. I need to try preserve whatever I have left.

I would give everything I own to be anyone other than who I am. Goodbye and thank you for everything."

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Peterson hate thread

Jordan Peterson is a fucking imbecile and this might be the stupidest thing I've ever seen him say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMqQBLZwRIE

He just goes around in circles talking about nothing.

>Hitler wanted to establish a "racially pure" Third Reich

>Killing all Jews and enforcing genocide were an element of a "racially pure" Third Reich

>wtf Hitler killing jews and other ethnic groups during WW2 is totally against his aim of establishing a racially pure Third Reich

What did he mean by this?

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LGTSS: Trump expected to continue the Forever War in primetime address

Trump is expected to authorize some 4,000 more U.S. troops for counter-terrorism missions, as well as U.S. advisors who will work on the front lines. That’s on top of 8,400 U.S. and 5,000 North Atlantic Treaty Organization troops already in the country, advising Afghan security forces.

http://archive.is/7tpfy

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W_IVFDdqL00

Looks like Jimmy went full radical, he's already calling for a revolution

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Freedom of Speech

Is freedom of speech essential to Marxism?

I like to think that free speech is one of the cornerstones of Marxism, or at least it should be. I'm not making a stupid libertarian leftist moralist argument, as I have no problem with bashing a fascist's skull in to a brick wall, but hear me out.

We are all quite aware that Marxism is a historically materialist analysis of society, it is Marx himself who has said that we ought to critique all that exists, unapologetically.

I am of the belief, that in order for speech to be free, it needs to cost something in the first place. Fueling racist hatred is worthless, thus I don't have a problem with the prohibition of it. But, what I mean by freedom of speech, is speaking truth to the powers that be. The state, the party, the premiere, etc.

Is it not fair to say that we should all be revisionists? In a sense, that we should examine and critically evaluate existing leftist movements?

After all, Lenin revised Marx, who revised Hegel, who revised Kant. We are all really revisionists when you think about it.

In my opinion, orthodoxy and dogmatism is bad, and it damn well won't lead us to productivity.

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Is Ralph Nader right about young women being capitalism's main asset?

?

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What do you think of columbus?

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Why do Maoists generally hate smashies?

I've never understood this. Smashies seem to embody the chaos element in Maoism.

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How do we put a stop to this menace?

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I remember seeing this drawing (maybe a cartoon) of a city being controlled by corporations in one panel and the government in the other panel and showing them as equally bad, but I can't find it. Anyone know what I'm referring to?

pic not related i just needed one to make a new thread

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When was the last time we weren't at war? I'm 25 now. I can't remember. Assume we is the general west UK/America and cronies

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Was Marx a bad guy?

Why did Marx try so hard to distance himself from those who pose moral arguments like "capitalism is unjust" and "communism is fair"? In fact, in his most famous works he states things like exploiting the workers or extracting profit from others are "by no means an injustice".

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*Blocks your path*

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/futureleft/

Anon, why aren't you cybersocialist/futureleft yet? computerized planning is literally the only realistic way to implement a labor voucher system for a modern industrialized economy. And even if you produce directly for use, cybernetic techniques would still play a huge role in directly efficiently planning the economy.

The efficiency of technocracy, but also has direct democracy so its classless.

Come on anon, join us. We have cookies. And Cockshott books. And electronic labor vouchers.

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>breitbart is the bad jew guy according to some of /pol/

>kushner is the bad jew guy according to some of /pol/ but also breitbart

>trump is just playing 5 dimensional hungry hippo with both

>or he's a bad jew guy

what do about the /pol/ack question? i feel more and more inclined to euthanasia for severely retarded people based on their political orientation. if they can't even keep your story straight while marxism actually btfo judaism coherently without being retarded racist conspiracy theory, what less than a bullet to put them to sleep?

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Who do you hate the most and why?

>Neo-fascists

>Neo-nazis

>Neoreactionaries

>Anarcho-capitalists

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Let's have some fun before AntiFa is put on the same level as ISIS.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/shave-mike-pence

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Was he a nonce?

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/technocracy/

How is technocracy not simply Nick Land's dictatorship of the software engineers, but with a planned economy instead of capitalism? It would basically be north korea except with engineers being in charge instead of generals, and more automation and robots and shit.

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B U R A J I R U thread

Ask a Brazilian lefty anything.

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Classcuck thread

ITT: we make fun of classcucks

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What was the best Socialist secret police/security ministry, /leftypol/?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13759143

http://www.strawpoll.me/13759143

http://www.strawpoll.me/13759143

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Did Roo really have a ghostwriter?

Someone mentioned this in another Roo thread. They claim from 2011-early 2014 Roo's videos primarily dealt with Marxist theory. However, all of these videos in question were not written by Roo himself but by a ghostwriter, which the user pinpointed as a member of RAIM.

Here are the three "good" videos from Roo which the user pointed to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWK-PM2gE9U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8skCQq2fb8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NBwuSg9Z3A

Now compare the way Roo speaks and his vocabulary with his more recent vids, or any video made after spring 2014. Take his most recent rant for instance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHd3_qwC6Mk

He flubs several times, he presents a wishy-washy case with no hints of theory except for the usual "IMPERIALISM IS THE PRIMARY CONTRADICTION DON'T YOU GET IT???" mantra.

All of this is highly suspicious. Even more so when you realize Roo came under major fire from the WSWS in his early days for plagiarizing their articles whole cloth.

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What would you say has been the greatest accomplishment achieved by the science of dialectics?

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How can we stop the racists from winning?

My proposition is implementing Autism Level testing. Racists as we all know are backwoods low Autism Level retards so if we do this it will obviously prevent them from voting.

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Reminder that you are either marching in Boston, burning shit too, or you're a bitchy Republican crying over the death of "free speech" (aka Hate Speech) that's gonna be thrown against the wall

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COMRADE WOLFF GOES FULL LEFT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVSJpiNU44g

He goes past muh co-ops. Way past it.

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>facts don't care about your feelings!

why does this phrase have a 100% correlation with there being a baying moron uttering it?

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Daily reminder

America is the most reactionary, counterrevolutionary nation in the world. Don't trust an american. Don't socialize with americans. They are not our friends, they are the inventors of neoliberal globalism.

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/brit/

fuck off leftypol edition

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Is not having children anything, but the gravest offence against socialism? After all we strive to create a society that always has young people to support order people who retired.

Praise Jesus, Praise Gommunizm

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Why democracy is a failure intellectually

Democracy is foundationally built around the concept of giving every person in a society an equal voice in how the society should be operated. This pressupposes equality in ability to make informed decisions regarding the future of the society. Clearly, some people barely have three synapes firing in their head, while other large swaths only vote for self-interested and idpol. Since people are not equal in their intelligence, understanding, or goals, democracy is fundamentally flawed as a concept, and dangerous as a manifest ideology.

Only an authoritarian government, ruled by the most educated elites, constrained by an unchanging constitution can be successful in pushing society towards true progress.

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The Most Alpha President

you may not like it, but this is what peak presidential performance looks like

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I Used To Be a Neo-Nazi. Charlottesville Terrifies Me.

http://archive.is/0eTVi

>Today, I look at the factors that kept me in the white supremacist movement, and I think they must be stronger than ever. My closed-off media sources and mail-order propaganda videos, music and literature were one thing in the early ’90s; today, anyone with a smartphone can go down rabbit holes watching hours and hours of YouTube videos with far-right personalities, from actual Hitler supporters to more lightweight figures like alt-right YouTuber Paul Joseph Watson, who peddle the same racial paranoia without the overt Nazi ideology, feeding viewers their sick spin on the news. On social media, it’s easy to find like minds halfway across the country who can affirm your worldview with likes and retweets. We had only our pamphlets and shoe leather, which made it harder to build a national following.

>You don’t have to look much further than last weekend to understand what this more diffuse, more tech-savvy network of extremists has done to magnify and better organize the same hate that I once espoused.

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Find A Monument and Smashy Smashy

First fuck every single one of you who think this is an IDPOL post. This is a smashy smashy advocacy post. The best thing to smash right now are symbols of white identity politics because it makes /pol/ cry so hard. So get out there and smash shit.

This site https://tearthemalldown.com has every single monument in a map. Find the closest one to you and do some good. But most important, have fun.

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Trump Declares Antifa as Terrorist Org

What's your move now Antifa of LeftyPol? Your IPs are being saved and denying terrorist membership never helped any terrorists out

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antifa is dead the petition to make antifa a terrorist organization just reached 125 thousand just wait for it to get in trumps hands.

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So Trump Stared Directly Into The Solar Eclipse

First Baked Alaska, now him.

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Thoughts on Yvette Falarca?

Do you commies find Yvette attractive? She's a nut, but for some reason, I find her very sexy. It's too bad she'll need to settle for getting her tight pussy licked in prison when it could be riding me.

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Which one of you did this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkW_x2MNf2w

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>150 years after Marx debunked the wages fund theory people still espouse it

just fuck my shit up

reactionaries like to claim we have some kind of stranglehold over society while everyone ignores marx's legit criticism of political economy

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Is their a leftypol discord?

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Found this on /pol/ of all places

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We will never leave Afghanistan

>be me

>be American

>used to work at a uhaul in a military town

>lots of soldiers came through all the time either coming to or leaving the fort

>always try and pick their brains when I got opportunities to talk to them

>most of them were deployed to Afghanistan

>unanimous agreement from every single soldier I talked to

>we are staying in Afghanistan forever

>some I of them even openly acknowledge that we are there for no reason and that it's a giant money making operation "but hey it pays my bills, ya know."

>went out drinking with a friend last night

>end up talking with a couple of military guys

>they are really friendly and willing to share their stories with us

>start talking about American empire

>both of them immediately admit that American empire is real and that we are the invaders and the bad guys and if they were a native in Afghanistan they would be planting IED'S too

>they both recognize that they are pawns in a massive imperialist war machine and that the every time a tomahawk missile is launched it does no good to anyone and is just a massive pay day for Lockeed Martin

>both freely admit that we are staying in Afghanistan forever and everyone in the military knows it

>the war will never end by design because we are fighting the Afghan equivalent of buba with his shotgun, in other words, the entire population

>I'm blown away by how clearly they see the situation and ask them why they would be in the military if they knew all that

>"we have no power and can't change anything, it pays our bills, looks good on a resume, and honestly it's fun."

How do we get these people to realize that they actually do have agency, it is possible to make a change, and that they have more power than they could ever possibly imagine ESPECIALLY since they are in the military. If it ever really does come to blows we need the military on our side or else we are going to get the Rosa Luxembourg treatment.

Also one of them tried really hard to get me to buy cocaine. Not sure if that's relevant but it happened.

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Daily News Thread 8/20

Leaked Sadiq Khan email says Tory cuts will slash 4,000 police jobs

In the wake of multiple terror attacks in the heart of London, the city's mayor Sadiq Khan has warned that incoming budget cuts being forced through by the Conservative government could result in the loss of up to 4,000 officers working on the front lines of policing.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/front-line-risk-leaked-sadiq-khan-email-says-tory-cuts-will-slash-4000-police-jobs-1635831

South Africa Joins Calls to Boycott Africa-Israel Summit

Ambassador Sean Benfeldt says the talks aim to normalize relations between African countries and an “occupation state.”

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/South-Africa-Joins-Calls-to-Boycott-Africa-Israel-Summit--20170819-0026.html

Lebanese army, Hezbollah announce offensives against Islamic State on Syrian border

The Lebanese army launched an offensive on Saturday against an Islamic State enclave on the northeastern border with Syria, as the Lebanese Shi'ite group Hezbollah announced an assault on the militants from the Syrian side of the frontier.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-lebanon-syria-idUSKCN1AZ03G?il=0

Iraq's Kurds might put off independence vote in return for concessions from Baghdad: official

Iraq's Kurds may consider the possibility of postponing a planned Sept. 25 referendum on independence in return for financial and political concessions from the central government in Baghdad, a senior Kurdish official said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-kurds-idUSKCN1B00BS

Syria's Assad says Western plots against him foiled but war not yet won

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said on Sunday his country had foiled Western designs to topple him but his army had not yet won the fight to end Syria's six-year-old insurgency.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-idUSKCN1B00BK

Barcelona van attack suspect may have crossed into France: Spanish police

Spanish police hunting for a suspect after the Barcelona van attack that killed 13 people said on Sunday they could not rule out that he had slipped over the border into France.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-security-investigation-idUSKCN1B008J

Hong Kong protest: Thousands march for jailed activists

Tens of thousands of people have marched through the streets of Hong Kong in protest at the jailing of three pro-democracy activists.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-40993550

Barcelona attack: Spain terror cell had 120 gas canisters

A 12-strong terror cell that carried out two attacks in Spain this week had collected 120 gas canisters and was planning to use them in vehicle attacks, Spanish police say.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40990927

Trump to Skip Kennedy Center Honors to Avoid ‘Distraction’

Donald Trump and his wife Melania will skip the annual Kennedy Center Honors in December after some of the honorees said they would boycott a White House reception traditionally part of the weekend of festivities.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-19/trump-to-skip-kennedy-center-honors-to-avoid-distraction

Stones, rods & fists: Chinese & Indian troops' border brawl caught on VIDEO

Footage showing a clash between Chinese and Indian border guards at the disputed Pangong Lake in the Himalayas earlier this week has appeared on social media. The video has not been verified but the incident has been confirmed by Indian officials.

https://www.rt.com/news/400325-india-china-border-skirmish/

Future of Venezuela Rests in the Hands of the People: Maduro

The head of state urged the international community to unite in solidarity with Venezuela to safeguard the sovereignty of the country through dialogue.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Future-of-Venezuela-Rests-in-the-Hands-of-the-People-Maduro-20170820-0013.html

Nestle's Poland Spring Is Common Groundwater, New Suit Alleges

Nestle SA’s Poland Spring Water unit has duped American consumers into paying premium prices for ordinary ground water that’s pumped from some of Maine’s most populated areas, rather than from natural springs as the company advertises, according to a lawsuit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-19/nestle-s-poland-spring-is-common-groundwater-new-suit-alleges

Nutella robberies spread as German gang steals 20 tonnes of chocolate worth €70,000

A gang in Germany may have ended up with more than they bargained for after stealing 20 tonnes of Nutella and the trailer it was stored in.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nutella-robberies-spread-german-gang-steals-20-tonnes-chocolate-worth-70000-1635829

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Is vinterflama that hottest leftist woman on twitter? Who are the others?

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/reddit/

Why is there such bad blood between Reddit and Channers? is it because chans are edgy and reddit is for normies who just think they're edgy? Is it because /r/socialism bans people for political incorrectness? Do people just want to shitpost with no theory? Is it because most here are ancom, while reddit is a stronghold of Stalinism?

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American Balkanization

Thoughts on American Balkanization (breaking up America into multiple different countries)? I think it’s a good idea for people living in America. It could give people genuine culture and several Communalist/Socialist states. However outside of America it’s inevitable that the American Empire will be replaced by the Chinese Empire or the Russia Empire.

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Noam Chomsky thread

What does leftypol think about Noam Chomsky?

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It's extremely revisionist to claim that there is only one valid Marxist strategy that every country should follow. The appropriate path towards socialism is dependent upon the material conditions and cultural level of a society. Leninism is appropriate for countries at a certain historical stage of development but not for others. Marx and Engels were clear on this point, but the vast majority of communists seem to have adopted the idealist notion of a single, trans-historically correct line.

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LTV: Diamonds, Silver and Commodities Under Capitalism

So the labor theory of value has had various criticisms over the years and I've struggled with it myself with my limited understanding. If economic value comes from socially necessary labor required to produce it then why does, on average, silver cost less than diamonds? Silver is notoriously difficult to mine. The obvious answer is forced scarcity enforced by diamond monopolies along with generations of marketing reinforcing made-up social "norms" involving diamonds. But this belies how supply and demand can influence value. So how does one rectify this with the LTV? Also any literature recomendations are appreciated.

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Why are so many people here against personal improvement? Lenin took great care of himself.

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question

so you guys socialists or communists?

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https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/08/marriage-rates-education/536913/

Capitalism creates THOTS.

THOTS use young men, young men become nazis and libertardians, capitalism gains a fascist protector.

If you can't kill Capitalism… you see what I'm getting at here? Less antifa, more thot patrol.

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>he's still doing damage control

How big is Academic Agent's subjective value of butthurt right now?

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The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan … Stalin Did

The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan … Stalin Did

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

Have 70 years of nuclear policy been based on a lie?

Both schools of thought, however, assume that the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with new, more powerful weapons did coerce Japan into surrendering on Aug. 9. They fail to question the utility of the bombing in the first place — to ask, in essence, did it work? The orthodox view is that, yes, of course, it worked.

But there are three major problems with it, and, taken together, they significantly undermine the traditional interpretation of the Japanese surrender.

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Everyone is the Enemy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGYvwS65_Ao

Varg points out a conflict from 0:00 to 2:12.

Varg gives his solution at 2:12 to the end.

What is your solution?

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Chapo Trap House

https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-79-our-values-are-under-attack-feat-tim-heidecker-2617

So the past two free episodes have been pretty lukewarm tbh. The interview with Taibbi was ok but there were no big insights. Tim is not that interesting and as much as they shit on the Daily Show it seems to me they are falling it its routine.

>Trump is a dumb old man with holes in his brain

>Ha ha he is so fucking dumb and bumbling

>Ha, he has the brain of a child

Pretty tiring. What does /leftypol/ think?

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Are you all ready for the leftist meme magic ritual where we cast a spell of fully automated luxury communism on America during the solar eclipse tomorrow?

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If I know AbSoLuTeLy NOTHING about economics can I just jump into this? - provided I take my time and take notes etc.

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A bunch of research shows that economic inequality is a huge cause of social, health, psychological problems across the spectrum, irrespective of a country's overall wealth. A poor person living in the US is on a much worse position relative to a rich person, compared to a developing country that is more equal.

This is beyond doubt at this point, but right-wingers never engage in it. Should we shill this kind of research, guys? The meme that being above the poverty line represents progress needs to die.

http://www.economicsandethics.org/2011/10/how-economic-inequality-harms-societies.html

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According to Marx, Capital is part 2 of his book "A contribution to the critique of political economy".

The points of it are summarized in the first few chapters of Capital, but obviously reading it would give you a much greater background on the basic concepts. It is a much shorter book as well.

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I'm officially done with Antifa

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http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/08/21/pers-a21.html

21 August 2017

>It is often the case that the outcome of events reveals the essential issues underlying political developments. This is true of the conflicts that erupted within the ruling class over the Nazi rampage in Charlottesville, which culminated in the dismissal Friday of Trump’s chief strategist Stephen Bannon.

>The corporate-controlled media has sought to portray the sequence of events entirely in racial terms, with Bannon and other advocates of “white nationalism” now purged, leaving political control of the White House and the Trump administration in steadier and more “moderate” political hands: a group of generals and ex-generals, headed by White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, together with Wall Street financiers such as Gary Cohn, Trump’s chief economic adviser, and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

>The New York Times has led the way, with an editorial Sunday declaring that “Americans accustomed constitutionally and politically to civilian leadership now find themselves relying on three current and former generals—John Kelly, the new White House chief of staff; H. R. McMaster, the national security adviser; and Jim Mattis, the secretary of defense—to stop Mr. Trump from going completely off the rails. Experienced and educated, well-versed in the terrible costs of global confrontation and driven by an impulse toward public service that Mr. Trump doesn’t possess, these three, it is hoped, can counter his worst instincts.”

>In the same edition of the Times, a news analysis celebrates what its headline calls “The Moral Voice of Corporate America.” In this account, “a chorus of business leaders rose up this past week to condemn hate groups and espouse tolerance and inclusion.”

>Among those named as part of this “chorus” of “moral” leaders are such corporate criminals as Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase, one of those responsible for the 2008 financial collapse; Mary Barra of General Motors, who oversaw the cover-up of an ignition-switch defect that killed hundreds of people; and WalMart CEO Doug McMillon, whose company is a synonym for low-wage exploitation.

>The ruling elite saw Trump’s incautious remarks defending the neo-Nazis who rioted in Charlottesville as a serious threat to the interests of American imperialism abroad as well as the maintenance of social and political stability at home. Powerful corporate interests feared the implications for Trump’s agenda of corporate tax cuts, the removal of business regulations, a profit windfall in the guise of infrastructure reform and the gutting of Medicaid and other social programs.

>Trump’s self-exposure of his efforts to build an extra-parliamentary fascistic base increased the nervousness in financial circles over the danger of a collapse of the speculative bubble that has been built up since the 2008 Wall Street crash.

>The response, laid out most clearly by the Times, has been to increase the grip of the military and corporate America over the government to an extent unprecedented in US history. It is 56 years since President Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his 1961 farewell address, warned of the dangers to democracy posed by the rise of the “military-industrial complex.” He could have no conception of the size, power and degree of dominance exercised by the vast military/intelligence/corporate complex of today.

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Lets pray for the alt-right to go blind

I know it's not good the pray for bad things to happen to people but on this day of a solar eclipse i ask that we pray for alt-righters that can not be fix or converted, to look directly at the solar eclipse and cause irreparable damage to their eyes.

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I call bullshit on white-black racism

I'm not saying the black community doesn't struggle, nor am I saying racism doesnt exist, but I am saying white people arent the reason blacks are the way they are, and I think racism is far too exaggerated by the media, at least 20x more exaggerated.

We aren't holding them back, in fact we did the opposite by giving them opportunities to live the American way and not in some disease-ridden continent. If slavery never happened, they'd still be living in the jungle with tons of predators.

White people aren't responsible for why blacks are the way they are, at least what I believe. After slavery ended, they were either segregated by the whites or the blacks decided to live on their own without the whites, idk, maybe the two combined.

It's not "racism" that makes us not want to hire them, its their ghetto attitude, but evil porky keeps telling them theyre not getting hired because of racism which gets them even more angry and victimizing.

The only people who are ignorantly racist is the far-right/alt-right idiots, but most people (like 95%) are rational people unlike the poltards, so racism isnt an excuse. Goo

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> As rare as an eclipse: a new feature on 8chan! Overboard is here!

https://nerv.8ch.net/

Will the "overboard" kill /leftypol/? It will probably attract tons of bored /pol/yps and their shitposting.

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Deutschland Thread

Genossen. Seid ihr parteilich oder anderweitig organisiert? Gibt es irgendwelche linken Orgas die kein liberals IdPol oder Stammtisch für ex-DDR Grenzler sind?

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Terror attack in Barcelona

Why does this keep happening?

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Can we talk about how to deal with all the ecelebs turning aut right?

I mean I expected Sargon et al but I was shocked when I saw Amazing Atheist go full reactionary too. I'm definitely going to include a few shots at their bow in my SoE video upcoming but this shit is alarming me.

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Would you prefer a world composed wholly of 100% racially pure socialist ethno-states or an internationalist neo-liberal world order?

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i realized that i don't have the will or emotion energy to actually *do* anything

help me choose:

become a leftcom

or

post-left

thank you in advance for pros/cons of both

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MODS

pol is raiding us again, do your jobs for fuck sake

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Can we discuss the financial systems implemented by Hitler and Mussolini?

Mussolini's work with socialism is interesting but I am not sure if I'm okay with his opinion against class conflict.

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Bunkerchan

Leftypol:

>too much bait (gay porn, gore, etc)

>hated by hotwheels

>it's hacked often, and it takes weeks to resurrect

>BO is a turd worldist tankfag

>mods are red liberals

>intellectual quality of posts is declining quickly

Bunker:

>clean

>academically superior

I propose that everyone who see this thread while scrolling, may comment in the bunker, make a thread etc… so it will generate a sustained population

Im out of here due to the increasing population of third worldists, tankies snd other low intellect beings

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What went wrong?

What went wrong? Is this proof that roo was right?

This sorry excuse of a fart movment is representative of the revolution potential in the us?

There is a chance for a sequel?

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ALL THINGS MAX STIRNER

All Max Stirner bibliography, discography, memes, anything.

Max Stirner book club goes here.

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Eugen Dührings Books

This being one of my visits to lefty-pol I am searching for works by Eugen Dühring in English that i can collect physically. Any help in finding some would be of huge help, thank you.

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How the fuck do I join it? I honestly just need a group that I can read Marx with because I don't have the self-discipline to do it myself. So I signed up, but whenever I try to look at the chapters page, it just redirects me back to either the sign up page or the home screen

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If father Marx rose were still alive today, would anything different happen?

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/r/socialism survey results

>86,2% are MALE

>75,5% are WHITE

>59,1% are HETERO

>89,9% are CIS

>60,4% are BURGERS

>59,7% are younger than 21

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1z9MdCiO-0Dlomd1MaOxv7aOZJabobYTPD7wyYXdq0OA/viewanalytics

https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/6uxpex/rsocialism_100k_survey_results/

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Can you redpill me on Stalin and the soviet union?

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Politely asking

Someone explain to me why the old rich fart George Soros is the beloved right wing scapegoat who "funds communist groups" and whatnot when literally one of his crowning achievements is funding anti-communist groups in the Eastern Bloc?

Is it because he's Jewish?

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Are there any good alternatives to /pol/ that aren't full of Stormers?

I kinda hang out here, but this is extremely left and it gets real old real fast. 4/pol/ is obviously good because of its layout, and I my views align more with *some* the people there (centre-right, hardly a "nazi").

I just get tired of people hating on jews and black people.

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council communist vs anarcho capitalist debate

Podcast

https://soundcloud.com/user-611981067

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Why are the porkies so nationalistic and helping so much to the members of their own tribes? Everyone else is simply getting eaten by the defacto nationalist porky unions

According to the trends picrelated is soon to become true, what should we expect?

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Data mining / ideology survey thread

http://www.strawpoll.me/13708620

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What are my poltical views?

I do not wish to make a thread to just ask what i belief but i simply cannot find what ideology would most closely relate to my political compass beliefs.

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Most Confusing Delusional Alex Jones Vid

the most retarded video ive ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poUDa8YotXI

>"i lived in communist bulgaria during the fall"

>"all these groups funded at the hands of foreign "globalists" like soros wink wink jews"

>"it was just awful all these COMMUNIST groups funded with help from the billionaire soros destroyed the country"

lets break that down

>communist bulgaria

>COMMUNIST groups funded b a foreign billionaire fucks the communist gov

>to alex jones brain-dead viewers this means that simultaneously communists/globalists wink wink joos wink/ and "not true capitalist" oligarchs destroyed the eastern block

what the fuck even is this?

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>anarchkiddies could literally never produce these

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I am, admittedly, not well read on market socialism, however i do know quite a bit about mutualism, and would like to know the difference between the two.

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/leftymu/

Leftist music. Marches, anthems, folk songs, punk, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oday_Fc-Gc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKVnur5DkdI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT0yoo9B2Bc

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I'm pretty uneducated on the argument, and I know you guys know how hard it is tohave an unbiased view on this matter.

I really don't know how I should feel about Stalin and the USSR experience. On one hand, although they are usually exagerated, his crimes are ethically unacceptable, on the other hand I don't know how could one possibly reconcile ethics with what happened in the USSR. Nazi invasion, opposition and sabotage from the West, an ideology that lends itself a bit too much to sectarianism: how can one possibly deal with all this mess, while actually improving the country, without having to costantly take major ethical compromises? If I disqualify Stalin for his crimes, I'm disqualifying every possible future revolution, for history has shown costantly that no bloodless revolution is possible (but of course, openly admitting that would be political suicide).

What is your genuine opinion on the topic?

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So is Nick Land a Marxist or a Libertarian? I get that he's an Accelerationist, but ultimately where does he stand?

Reading some interviews and articles by him I got the impression he's an anti-capitalist Accelerationist theorizing to exhaust the system, getting his views mostly from Deleuze. But in the Red Ice interview he says his intellectual history mostly started with the Austrian school economists and that eventually he realized that libertarianism and ancapism is utopian given the present state of things and instead we need to expand the state to (somehow?) negate it.

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Leftist Music Thread

No folk music edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQIaOBQF7uE

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Reminder that all commies are going under the wheels sooner or later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnKYZiQoJWw

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Twitter leftists who run counter to mainstream twitter leftism - need help identifying

Preferably:

-piss off the SJW twitter or run counter to mainstream leftism

-non-anon

-non-LARPing

-not tankie

-not anarchist

-not feminist

-leftist or progressive

-doesn't tow current, fashionable identity politics

Bonus points for female

Bonus points for has a bunch of followers

Bonus points for not a politician

I've identified

Lee Fang https://twitter.com/lhfang

Angela Nagle https://twitter.com/AngNagle

Michael Tracey https://twitter.com/mtracey

Connor Kilpatrick https://twitter.com/ckilpatrick

Glenn Greenwald https://twitter.com/ggreenwald

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Can polyps please explain how they expect to improve western culture by either segregating western culture from "inferior" cultures or exterminating them when some of the greatest musicians and artists, such as artists of the impressionist movement were so heavily influenced by foreign cultures. Simply put, art and culture cannot thrive if it can't take from other styles, or else it will remain stagnant.

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What's your excuse for not reading Trotsky yet?

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I would like to know more about how things were organized in the Soviet Union and have a better understanding of how the system was run, what were its achievements, its flaws and its evolution.

Could you recommend any books?

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So, what happens in Venezuela and why did it happen?

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Is De Leon reading or is pierre just memeing him?

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What are /leftypol/'s thoughts on the Cuban revolution?

What went right?

What went wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mfxnsvfy5k

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Why do people say North Korea does badly?

North Korea does freaking amazing considering their conditions. This just came in: https://www.rt.com/news/398921-china-sanctions-compliance-north-korea/

North Korea isn't propped up by China, chinks only don't want a US puppet state at their border buy they don't give a shit about North Korea and willing to participate in an attempt to starving them out. In any case, I find the achievements of the DPRK in terms of self-sustainability amazing. It's basically like living on another planet with barely any fertile soil. Imagine being able to build skyscrapers and glistening cities like Pyongyang and having a growing economy despite being boycotted by the entire world. Conservatives and liberals pointing at their problems are extremly annoying, it's like dropping a bunch of people on Mars and then complaining that they didn't have iPhones when you check on them after 20 years.

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Towards a new socialism (and general cybernetics) discussion thead

Howdy comrades,

I've read "calculation in natura" and am busy reading "towards a new socialism", but have some things i want to discuss or talk about about it.

I didnt see the cybernetics thread anymore so I am making this one.

PDF attached for TANS. Will post my questions in seperate comments.

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I feel that the most useful people for spreading leftist theory today may be the economists who have went through the whole rigmarole of neoclassical economics, and emerged on the other side as left-wing critics writing accessible books. Here in Europe, of course, we have Varoufakis who has completely demolished any illusion of the European Union as a positive project and shown it to be the completely undemocratic tool to force neoliberal policy. After seeing what he had to say I'm embarrassed for being an ignorant europeanist. Americans have Richard Wolff who is doing pretty great work for entry-level Marxism.

But I want to know, who else is out there doing this, providing some kind of "critique of neoclassical political economy" for the masses? It's clear Marx is simply not enough to see the awful horizon of capitalism in its contemporary form. We need to push rebel economists.

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Communication

What is with the shit typing around here lately? Poor grammar, confusing typos, and unironic phone shorthand that all make it a chore to understand posts… Is it that much to ask that you proofread your post every now and then?

When you make it tedious to communicate, when you discourage people from posting articulate arguments and replies because they expect insipid and confusing responses, you lower the overall level of discourse here.

>Now, it is clear that the decline of a language must ultimately have political and economic causes: it is not due simply to the bad influence of this or that individual writer. But an effect can become a cause, reinforcing the original cause and producing the same effect in an intensified form, and so on indefinitely. A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks. It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts. The point is that the process is reversible. Modern English, especially written English, is full of bad habits which spread by imitation and which can be avoided if one is willing to take the necessary trouble. If one gets rid of these habits one can think more clearly, and to think clearly is a necessary first step toward political regeneration: so that the fight against bad English is not frivolous and is not the exclusive concern of professional writers.

Please read this short essay by a skilled English writer to better understand the importance of clear communication, especially in politics where it matters most:

http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit/

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I've just realised tht sectarian infighting is a waste of time.

No, not because I believe that Leninists and Bakuninists can put their differences aside and work together in perfect harmony, but because it has just occured to me that whatever faction or agenda ends up dominating the popular perception of "left-wing politics" and shaping the rhythms and platforms of the overall progressive movements is not the one that wins these theoretical debates among leftists, but the one that most successfully fights the Right. See, you're never going to mock or debate the many Leftist groups out there into submission, you're never going to get their support, but what you can do is take the lead with or without their approval, simply by attacking the most conservative elements of society efficiently.

Think about Identitarianism, for example. It didn't become the "tone" of left-wing politics because Identity groups spent there years fighting all the other left-wing sects. They just took the lead as we attacked each other, created controversy, found an angle through which to attack conservatives, debated the conservatives, mobilized young people and suddenly, within one generation, no left-wing sect is rid of them. They won not by endless arguments, but by making everyone associate "progress" with their agenda one way or another. They simply made the rest of us irrelevant.

So let's say we want to insert othe things into the conversation. E.g. we want to talk about other forms of property, radical unionism, electoral political reform, about creating new legal limits to militarism, whatever. What we should do is improve our hability to communicate these ideas and move straight to the frontlines with them. We start organizing protests focused on this new platform. We start challenging all the right-wing dorks like Ben Shapiro to a debate about these new ideas. We start attacking conservative institutions for not adhering to this idea. We agitate online without break. Once we mobilize a reaction from the Right and we become their targets, this agenda becomes the dominant progressive agenda by default. Once people realise the conservatives are no longer spending most of their time mocking feminists but people who want to abolish private property, they'll come to us to see what we're talking about. We don't keep fighting the other progressive/leftist groups, we just steal their position.

To make an analogy, leftists are military commanders arguing strategy among themselves, but if one of those commanders just attacks on his own and wins a battle, all others will have to follow his lead for a while. We just need to learn how to fight.

Sorry for the TL;DR shit.

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Towards A New Socailism. Chapter 12, Communes

In Towards a New Socialism in Chapter 12 the concept of a Commune of 50-100 people replacing the family unit. During it he mentions how people have to pay dues to the commune and in the commune, some commune service might have to be paid. In a family unit these thinks aren’t paid there just given. Based on this fact alone I find the family unit superior then a 50 person commune. I finished the chapter on Communes. Can someone please explain why the commune is a better form of organizing small groups of people on communes is better to organizing them based on families.

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WAIT Marxism ISN'T deterministic? Fucking hell how are you supposed to understand anything when everything keeps getting more and more complicated.

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Post yfw you realise Donald Trump has done more to defeat racism in 8 months than Obama did in 8 years

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Family thread

general family thread i guess

>family is working class white. we live ina texas city

>father is #resistance liberal

>thinks most critiques of the dems are russian shills

>thinks jokes and critiques from mainstream gopers and dems will bring down trump

>mother is reactionary unironic evangelical who calls anything communism and hates abortions and gays

such is life

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2008 Housing Crisis

Let's have a thread about this, it's a great example of why derivatives, advanced markets, and capitalism in general doesn't work.

Banks revealed themselves and their entire maket structure to be a house of cards.

Rating agencies admitted to being untrustworthy and "just an opinion".

Capitalists and politicians colluded, and saved the markets at the expense of the people.

The film "Inside Job" is a great explanation of what happened, although the conclusions it draws are pure liberalism.

Great documentary about the crisis, blow by blow: https://youtu.be/VQzEWeGJLP0

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I'd like to examine any counter-arguments available on the topic of the Four Pests Campaign.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign

>The four pests to be eliminated were rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows. The extermination of sparrows resulted in severe ecological imbalance, prompting Mao to end the campaign against sparrows and redirect the focus to bed bugs.

Specifically, the issue with exterminating sparrows. Can there be moral guilt assigned to the leadership within the government for implementing catastrophic policies that assisted in "severe ecological imbalance"?

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>tfw humanity is in such a fucked state right now that the only way to course correct is for 98% of humans to die so the survivors can restart civilization

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Where can I find a qt communist girl for a comfy relationship? A lot of them are weird, don't look after themselves, obese, typical lefty SJW types etc

I just want a qt commie girl that will let me seize her means of reproduction!

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Should I join the Democratic Socialists of America? I'm really considering it. Do we have any DSA members here?

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Was he right?

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Is anyone else learning capital markets to further understand how the Great Recession happened? I'm starting at the very basics, just learning what derivatives are, how people can buy a loan, credit default swaps, etc. I got into it by watching Inside Job and The Big Short, but not everything was explained enough for me so I'm going with online research. Does anyone have any good books they know for this topic?

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what are some good books on the shortcomings of the USSR and why it failed?

>inb4 towards a new socialism

I meant historical books

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Baked Alaska BTFO

top kek, fascist literally on suicide watch

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let's Aid the third world

I want to self-help and self-improvement and law of attraction books to people living in the third world so they can become rich, handsome and happy human beings.

We ought to try to mail them stones,too.

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Leftist Critiques of Identity Politics and SJWism

Mark Fiser

http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=11299

http://douglaslain.net/diet-soap-podcast-198-joy-identity/

Angela Nagle

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/01/the-scourge-of-self-flagellating-politics

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/handmaids-tale-margaret-atwood-trump-abortion-theocracy

https://soundcloud.com/deadpundits/ep-9-exiting-the-culture-warrior-clusterfck-w-angela-nagle

https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/angela-nagle-how-precious-liberals-kind-of-helped-create-the-alt-right

Walter Benn Michaels

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v31/n16/walter-benn-michaels/what-matters

https://newleftreview.org/II/52/walter-benn-michaels-against-diversity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k-I4kaLlwc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyruiScXqcU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faLxXV1o1po

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhKRHv-OlnE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y80tPy6R1ZU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcszTH99Ays

Katie Halper

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/12/bernie-sanders-nailed-it-on-identity-politics-and.html

Jodi Dean

https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2970-not-us-me

Shuja Haider

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/01/safety-pin-box-richard-spencer-neo-nazis-alt-right-identity-politics/

Asad Haider

http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/a-marxist-critiques-identity-politics/

https:[email protected]/passing-for-politics-559e14c813f7

Salar Mohandesi

https://www.viewpointmag.com/2017/03/16/identity-crisis/

Adolph Reed

http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Antiracism.html

Connor Kilpatrick

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/04/1-99-percent-class-inequality/

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/05/99-1-percent-income-inequality-class/

Zizek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dNbWGaaxWM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OzL0tGygso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HLK4kNP5J0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLEj7AKJkuM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IISMr5OMceg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bixgOtkLao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej_1VDbe3Mw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83m6K4y1fmQ

and so on and so on

Feel free to add to the stash

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How do we improve news media?

News media is obviously a very important component of the political sphere. What should alternative media look like, particularly while we are working within capitalism?

How do you prevent your platform from morphing into something like The Young Turks or InfoWars? What resources, specifically, do the larger media outlets like CNN, Fox, or MSNBC have that a small alternate media platform will not have?

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spooky

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What's going on

Earnest question, here. I came from /pol/ telling me to raid, and I started questioning shit. I hate how they act towards one another, shitting on every ideal. From what I've seen, /leftypol/ actually seems like a decent place, but I know squat about left-leaning ideals. I know 99% of all chans are autistic cancer either way, but I was wondering about how you guys feel about life.

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When was Alunya created? Why is she so clearly anarchist in every aspect of her design yet used as the board mascot? Was there a time when /leftypol/ was predominantly anarchist?

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does anyone have the Kelly cartoon edit where the sophisticated adult impresses people on the internet by using words like "Bourgeoisie" and so on?

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why are liberals so insufferable? why can't they admit they are corporate shills?

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Anarchists absolutely BTFO

Ancoms, try to refute this. Protip: You can't

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The original Ratchet & Clank is the greatest commentary on capitalism. For many parts of the game the only way to proceed with the story is to spend money on tools and equipment that helps you get past areas that you wouldn't be able to get past with out. As well the main bad guy is a capitalist who polluted his planet so he can have the planets inhabitants give him money and make a new one and a few other things.

Explain better here from 18:33 to 22:01 and 30:43 to 31:05.

https://youtu.be/3kD_QhYgIA4?t=18m33s

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Workers in America barely get any vacation ti-

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>tfw no revolutionary asian gf to overthrow capitalism and liberate the proleteriat from the bourgeoisie

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Why do all communist countries dissolve into some form of state capitalism? Is it because communism is undesirable garbage which spouted from the Marx's mental masutabtion?

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REMINDER that 'kek' originated on /s4s/, a 4chan board that Moot made as a parody of /r/ShitRedditSays, which was the SJW boogeyman of /pol/ at the time. /pol/ flipped its shit for a week when Moot made /s4s/. Kekistanis are literally walking parodies of the SJWs that they hate.

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/leftypol/ in a nutshell

> Hey, I'm a socialist feminist and I'd like to know what you guy think about gender.

> REEEEEEEEEE— GO BACK TO REDDIT WITH YOUR FILTH LIBERAL IDPOL

> Hello fellow leftists, I would describe myself as a socialist economically (I support the welfare state) but I'm also a white supremacist, actually reactionary MGTOW. Am I allowed here?

> Sure, you're golden. Niggers are lumpens anyway. Welcome, comrade!

This was the result of being advertised as an "anti-SJW" board.

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/burger/ thread

Come commiserate over our shared loathing of other burgers

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Worst porkies out there

Gimme some of the worst the porkies have in their ranks. From war criminals and robber barons to spoiled piglets, I want to see how bad the bourgeoisie can be.

Monsanto:

>Helped develop Agent Orange for the Vietnam War

>Sues farmers because their patented seeds fall into other people's crops and the farmer inadvertently grows the plant.

Martin Shkreli

>Raised Daraprim price to insane levels just to squeeze more money out of people

>Did the same thing with Thiola

Dan Bilzerian

>Gambling trust fund baby of a wall street crook

>Kicked a model in the face

>Threw a porn star off a building and broke her leg, he then said he wasn't responsible because it was for a photo shoot

>Has an obnoxious chin

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Why even be a socialist when it's so much simpler for me to just attend to some enterprising seminars and start a business instead, take on freelance work directly from clients, work at home and forever escape the fate of being a 9-5 wagecuck?

I am not asking this to provoke /leftypol/ userbase, but because I have yet to understand why does /leftypol/ not want me to become the most successful version of myself, when I have only one life to live, and I could use the money I earn to fund all these left-wing causes?

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Would there be any actual difference between a Trotskyist and Stalinist Soviet Union?

Trotsky was more intelligent than Stalin, so he may have averted certain practical mistakes of the Soviet Union, and perhaps, would do better at economy and worse at military, better longterm and worse shortterm.

I claim, however, that he would be the same Bonapartine, imperial ruler as Stalin, and would also employ radical totalitarian policies and purge his opponents. Not because of his character, but because of the very same political environment that existed back then.

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Aren't multi-ethnic states inherently imperialistic?

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Hello ChristFriends

Don't forget we have a board for Christian Leftists. It's mostly empty, so if you think /christian/ is unusable I'd check it out.

>>>/christianleft/

https://8ch.net/christianleft/catalog.html

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/supremegentleman/

what the fuck was his problem?

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"Book Club Communism"

Antifascists in Tampa first announced themselves during pride month, leading an insurgent anti-capitalist bloc through the pride march to the cheers of working class queers in the crowd. Since then we have grown quickly in strength and unity, taking various smaller actions. Before the arrival of TMC and Suncoast Antifa, such actions were completely unthinkable in this area. We are progressing, but much work remains to be done. Our collective is working diligently towards concentric construction – building the basic forms of the party, army, and united front in our work. We have created rules of fitness, diet, and weapons training for all members of our collective. We will become a combat organization of the working class, we firmly reject the revisionist model of “book club communism.” We reject the revisionist denial of the necessity of anti-fascist work. We reject the revisionist model of an “activist” organization. Maoist organizations are partisan war machines created for the destruction of the state and creation of red power. We uphold that the mass line can be applied in anti-fascist work, and we are proving this in practice. Fake communists refuse antifa work, they rub their noses at the people’s struggles and speak of the “mass line” and the “workers” (what they really mean is an idealized version of the old white working class). They see “ultra-leftism” in every militant action. These people are nothing but academics with an activist hobby, they are not communists.

http://www.redspark.nu/en/imperialist-states/a-report-back-from-the-streets-of-tampa/

Well, are they right?

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> Georgia (the fucking country not the state), the homeland of Stalin, to this day is very proud of it's heritage

> Literally can't talk to a Georgian without them boasting about how their country is one of the oldest and how great their culture is

> The people hate the US, Russia and UN, just want to be alone

> Nationalism is running rampant on the streets

> Thousands of people who still hold on to their leftist views, unironic genocidal Stalinists live there

Do I see the first potential NazBol country?

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Man of Action

How does one become a communist and an anti-fa at the same time? I'm interested in actions and lifestyle changes.

I'd like to know the step by step guide, I've already read all the books and understand the critiques.

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Where will the next Communist revolution take place?

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Why leftism?

Honest question for an interested nonpartisan here. What is the appeal of leftism for any particular person? If I'm a random man working full time and raising a family in America, why should I support leftism? What does it promise? How does it improve my life? I don't mean this facetiously; I'm serious. What is the appeal in it all exactly? Say I'm aware of the exploitation of third-world countries and such, and I'm aware that there are gross porkies getting rich off others' labor. But if I'm living well and making general life progress and see a healthy future for my children working my normal full time job, then what about my life can I expect to improve under leftism?

Sorry if this comes off as dense. I've just never seen a good, direct answer to this that isn't an appeal to grand universal morals or that is vague talk of fairness and the end of alienated labor and such. And even if you think I am dense for asking such a question, please consider that this is a question many or most possible converts to leftism will need answered. And if leftism wants a worldwide revolution, they will need to appeal to such random dunces as myself.

pic unrelated

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Say whatever you want about orange porky, but how can anyone not find his twitter fucking hilarious?

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I'm extremely attracted to socialists and communists, would any of you date or fuck a right winger?

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we shall celebrate this EPIC day, /pol/ is literally on suicide watch

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/theory/

What book(s) are you currently reading and what do you think about it/them? Discuss.

Pic related

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This is a real Newsweek headline

WHITE SUPREMACIST WHO BOASTED ABOUT BEING 'READY FOR VIOLENCE' CRIES OVER POSSIBLE CHARLOTTESVILLE ARREST WARRANT

http://www.newsweek.com/white-supremacist-ready-violence-cries-charlottesville-arrest-warrant-651682?utm_source=internal&utm_campaign=most_read&utm_medium=most_read5

Also:

'I'm terrified': White nationalist Christopher Cantwell cries in video about Charlottesville protest

-Telegraph

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Why is Hitler considered to be "far right" from a cultural standpoint?

If we were talking about the economic side, yeah, with all the privatizations and shit, it would make sense to identify his party as far right.

But culturally speaking, it barely makes sense:

Take for example Mussolini, the bald looser: despite all the beatings and the continue oppression of both the opposing sides, his party (initially) decided to exile some of the opposition outside of Italy because "brutal murder" didn't fit with catholics values, which the party "stated" to be based on and which were deeply rooted in Italy's cultural baggage.

But Hitler's vision of Germany wasn't really based on German culture at all: it was completely made up by him and his party.

So, why do neo-nazis call themselves "culturally aware people" when they are pretty much praising and taking as a model a false vision of Germany that really never existed through history (except for the nazi times)?

>hurr durr why you asking this on /leftypol/

Because i know i'd get only edgy and shitty replies and insults from /pol/ or any other "far-right" board: at least you people are somewhat educated.

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>guy with hammer and sickle as twitter name LOLs at the suggestion that class in marxist analysis is not defined by income

The irony left was a mistake

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HERO

"Sort yourself out"

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Gommunism

Hey leftypol I'm a huge Trump supporter but I feel like expanding my knowledge so I decided to study and understand Marxism. Does anybody recommend any good Marxist literature?

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Name one thing that is wrong with setting up a network of co-ops in order to fund community survival programs, agitation and organised self defence?

Think the BPP but they don't get their donations for programs from the community they get them from co-ops.

Are you saying if such a network existed you would not support it? The reason the BPP were so successful was because they made tangible, recognisable benefits for their community. They fed their kids, they protected them from the police. They made peace between gangs, etc etc. Part of how they were able to do this was by providing people with jobs to do, providing them with purpose and focus. Through survival programs you naturally gather, organise and educate the destitute and disillusioned, while at the same time providing them with the means to participate in revolutionary activity. The panthers were limited in that their funding came from the communities they resided in. Imagine they had strong strong corporate sponsorship, only it was from a network of co-ops where the workers decide their own shares and hours and conditions with votes instead of porky and his circle of piglets dictating to the employees and taking the cream of their labour for his own.

Tell me why this would be a bad thing . Tell me of a more realistic alternative for current day Europe and the united states for a new organisational form? Tell me how it will sustain itself financially, tell me why people will join up with you, what makes this organisational form distinct and relevant to the times? Are normies going to buy it? How are you going to distinguish yourself from just being another splinter of a splinter of the 8th international with 100 members and maybe a shot at a council seat in some old mining town that is convinced their Trot sect will be the one to bring the revolution?

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4CUCK MODS DELETING LEFTY THREADS

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/138267818/#q138267818

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/138260151/#q138260151

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/138264303/#q138264303

>we are champions of free speech

>we allow both sides to share their opinions equally

>/pol/ isnt a safe space for neo nazis

MY FUCKING ASS

THEY DELETE ANYTHING SLIGHTLY LEFTY WHILE LETTING SHIT THREADS LIKE THESE UP

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/138280018

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/138278006

4CHAN MODS DOX WHEN?

THE FUCKING NEO NAZI SYMPATHIZING FUCKS NEED TO DIE REAL FUCKING BAD

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Why does /leftypol/ keep wasting time on debunked 19th century social theories instead of focusing on science and the tech revolution 2.0. If Marx was alive today he'd unironically suck Elon Musk's cock, TED talk approved rational public intellectual nuval yoel habibi agrees, as well as dicky dawkins AKA 'the pope of atheism'. forget about capital, it's all about STEM these days.

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How can we possibly break through over a hundred years of propaganda and ML failure to get people to support a left wing solution to the failures of capitalist society over the right wing populism that's rising everywhere? Even with neo-nazis straight up committing murder I still see the "remember that the far left is violent extremists as well!" from people all the time.

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Why did this guy ban all party factions and destroy the power of trade unions? How can he even be called a socialist? Was he really that different from Stalin at the end of the day?

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STRASSERFAGS GTFO MY PROPERTY

It's come to my attention that there is a large amount of posters on this board in desperate need of despooking.

Use this thread to post anti-nationalist lit.

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>here's a multitude of cases where Capitalism has fucked over people because it was profitable

>well, that's only because the state existed to give them the opportunity to do that and protect them from the consequences. In a free market that would be impossible

How the fuck do you reason against them? No matter what you mention they'll find some way to connect it to government and find a reason for why the free market will fix it/prevent it from happening. How can you prove that without the state the profit motive will still lead to people being harmed? Are there any examples where it's impossible to say the state wasn't involved?

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Charlottesville Was a Preview of the Future of the Republican Party

https://archive.fo/iW54F

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>this is a paid vacation in America

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Why are humans the only animal with -exclusive- homosexuals?

From what i can tell all animals are bisexual with a varying tendency towards heterosexuality

Is it a social construct?

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Can cyberpunk dystopias exist under communism?

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Do stalinists exist here?

Came over from /pol/ to ask a question.

Im not one of them, but there are still guys that are "pro holocaust" and take everything way too serious. Does the alt left have the same issue? do you have guys that are pro Stalin/think gulags and 5 year plans are the way to go?

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Is there a name for minorities that support Trump? I hesitate to call these two coons, but they really are coons.

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Unproductive Entertainment at the Expense of Neo-Nazis appropriating Vaporwave

If you're looking for a laugh, and a means to bully Nazis, here's a link for you.

https://boards.4chan.org/hr/thread/2963618

It's on /highresolution/ so you need to be able to see every detail of the dead Nazi's you might post.

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>claims to be an egoist because lmao right wing collectivism is spooky

>would sacrifice self to End Capitalism(tm)

Explain, /leftypol/.

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"Why are you a communist?"

How do you respond to this without coming across as holier than thou?

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This is what /leftypol/ looks like in public

How do we fix this image problem, comrades?

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/cinema/

post lefty (ish) movies my niggas

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Comrade Jim Jones did nothing wrong.

Prove me he wasn't a real revolutionary who

rid the world of masses of classcucked burgers.

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Proletariat class literally mentally retarded

https://youtu.be/fjs2gPa5sD0?t=2m45s

>machinist

>welder

>maintenance

>machine operator

>factory production

>warehouseman

>material handler

>packer

All bellow the 45th percentile in intelligence. Typists and certain clerks have a higher intelligence than any proletariat demographic. In fact, the UNSKILLED laborer average is about the same as the trained proletariat.

Thoughts?

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We need to do more to end the lie of cultural marxism.

Former libertarian-centrist here. Just wanting to say that I was irrationally scared of Marx and his teachings because of all the useful idiots spreading da evil marxist frankfurt school meme everywhere.

Here are some good videos about them.

hbomerguy's video is what made me realize this was all stupid. (yes i'm a retard)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veBoQJogOAk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhhGmwxZ5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYQo6LI3Y7c

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The Orphan Master's Son

Has anyone read this book? To me it seemed based on a whole host of shitty underlying assumptions and the author seemed pretty ignorant. He also unironically calls North Korean prison camps "gulags" in his interview, for what that's worth.

North Korea general thread too, I guess

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Is Hezbollah an actual Anti-Semitic group or is this just western propaganda? I've seen Anti-Semitic quotes attributed to members of the organization but I'm not sure if that's the dominant opinion of their members.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77MkMowiLxI

/leftypol/ btfo'd!!!!

HOW WILL WE EVER RECOVER??