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Moderation Thread

I noticed that the board restoration has removed the moderation thread. Direct all hotpocket related inquiries here.

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FAQ and Rules

Backup boards:

https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/

http://www.getchan.net/

Other boards:

>>>/anarcho/

>>>/marx/

>>>/freedu/

>>>/leftyweebpol/

>>>/gnussr/

>>>/leftpol/

Groups:

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/leftypol

http://qchat.rizon.net/?channels=leftypol

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http://lefty.booru.org/

/leftypol/'s magazine:

http://bunkermag.org/

http://spectrerouge.com/

FAQ:

>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

>I'm not a leftist can I post here?

Non-leftists can come here to ask questions. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up.

>Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Clinton? Are you all Zionists???

No liberals here. We hate the Democrat party.

As for Israel, leftism is anti-Zionist. It is not anti-Jew. Unlike /pol/, /leftypol/ fully supports Palestinians, and doesn't think they're "mudslimes."

Pretending to be an SJW or Zionist will very likely get you banned.

>Why did you leave /pol/ and why does this board exist?

/leftypol/ exists to help the 8chan community focus on leftist topics without being slid or flooded to death.

>Do you support gun control?

While posters on /leftypol/ have varying stances on gun control (training requirements, mental health checks, etc.), they are overwhelmingly in favor of arming the proletariat.

>Do you support "national" socialism?

No.

RULES:

Don't:

-spam

-post cuckshit, "commies BTFO," or any of that kind of shit

-post any porn depicting underage (including drawings)

-deny the problems of climate change or imperialism

-attempt to cloak reactionary politics in left-wing rhetoric (Strasserism, "Nazbol" Strasserism, National "Socialism," Zionism, "Die cis scum"/"Kill all white men" SJW shit)

-voice support for NATO intervention, or explicitly state that you support imperialism in any context

-incite specific acts of terrorism or similar acts (use your head, don't act like a fed)

Do:

-be respectful, ask questions, and know your place if you're a reactionary

-feel free to flame, shitpost, and be sectarian if you are a leftist (just keep it somewhat within reason)

mod action log:

https://8ch.net/log.php?board=leftypol

https://8ch.net/bans.html

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Char limit dump thread

You want to post something but it's gonna get deleted/bumplocked because it's too short. Maybe it's a shitpost, maybe it's a simple question, whatever. Post it here instead.

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OC Thread 3.0

OC Thread 3.0

I suppose we should establish a new thread dedicated to /leftypol/ original content.

Feel free to post original content you've made, or OC someone else recently made which you would like to share.

Or, collaborate on improving content within this thread.

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Net Neutrality

With the inevitable Congress date looming for burgers, I thought it would be a good time to discuss Net Neutrality and ask some questions about it here.

1. When do you think that the effects of the decision to overturn NN regulations will be fully felt in the US? Will it be overnight?

2. Realistically, how bad will this turn out? Will it be as bad as everybody's been saying?

3. How will non-burgers visiting US websites/using US streaming services be affected?

4. How will VPNs be affected by this?

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QTDDTOT - Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread

Thread about questions which don't deserve their own thread. Post them here, sooner or later they will be answered.

I can contribute with a question. What is left communism and why is it so hated here? MOD EDIT: It's infantile disorder. Lot's of them think that they are the only group which is allowed revisionism

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Longpost on Prositution

Decided to make a separate thread for my opinion about banning/legalizing prostitution.

>>2301537

> All communists agree that prostitution will be abolished with capitalism,

No.

What Communists actually agree on is that DotP will be in charge, and it will be Proletariat that will make a decision whether or not casinos, drugs, and prostitution will be legal - and if so, in what way. Consequently, anyone trying to attach prohibition of any of those to Marxism as a scientifically proven necessity is a fucking liar and a revisionist. There is no place for cheap moralizing in Marxism.

In Soviet Union prostitution was deemed socially unnecessary - because people decided it so, not because Marx proved it wrong. Similarly enough, casinos were banned not because of Marx, but because general public made a decision. It also made a decision to keep state lottery and hippodromes.

> The issue becomes what to do during capitalism, which is the debate we're having and where things stop being so clear cut.

What is not clear-cut here? Our objective is Socialism, not upholding morals of Bourgeois society. Consequently, prostitutes should be approached from the same angle as everyone else: what is their place in class struggle?

They are clearly not Capitalists - despite the retarded attempts to call prostitution an exploitation of men, because there is some objective (not derived from the sum of individual subjective opinions - but determined by the smart people, without anyone else's input) utility value, and then declare that prostitution does not have this magical utility value!

Depending on the situation, prostitutes are either Petit-Bourgeois, or Proletariat. In the first case, they might or might not be useful to us. In the second case, it would be a folly not to incorporate them.

Consequently, everything is quite clear-cut. We support organized (obviously under Communist principles, not Fascist/Liberal) sex workers, and are opportunistic (support only when it clearly benefits us) towards the individual. The same applies towards any and all occupations, be they truck drivers, actors, policemen, or drug dealers.

We don't do moralizing until after the Revolution. Only when we will be able to present an actual workplace for those whose jobs are deemed unnecessary, will we have the right to condemn those jobs.

Anyone who attempts to start moralizing before that moment accepts Bourgeois society as just and fair. However much pseudo-Marxist rethorics is used, this position is inherently counter-revolutionary.

> When it comes to the "voluntary" hookers, I think socdem polices could help and most of this board seems comfortable pushing some degree of socdem

I have no idea what this "socdem" position implies. As I already pointed out: we support organized labour.

Consequently, our priority is to create an organization run by prostitutes themselves (not SocDem politicians or "experts"), where they can themselves regulate their own job - and keep this organization free from being hijacked by Liberals, Fascists, or SocDem.

It is this organization that we would want to protect. When it comes to individuals as a whole - we don't have opinion.

> Specifically I'm talking about the 15% of college students that at least consider prostitution, … we are interested in creating alternatives to that choice while supporting those that are in it.

That would be a lie. At least, for Marxists. Why would we support someone without even knowing anything (not even class - economic role) about them?

> If we say that it needs to be banned

There is no inherent objective difference between singing for money and doing sex for money - only social. Consequently, it is society's decision to say whether or not something needs to be banned. That is the real position of Communists. For us it would be a lie to say that prostitution "needs" to be banned. We might say that it is harmful or beneficial in some specific context (under specific circumstances) to some specific person or group in some specific way. But there is no some absolute general "need" - without even "someone" who needs it.

P.s. Cockshott is a crypto-Technocrat. But I will not deal with him today.

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Combatting Speciesism

The left often talks about racism, sexism, and of course issues of exploitation and class. However, we fail to include those other living creatures with which we inhabit the Earth. Animals are reared for slaughter, and undergo torture, both mental and physical, prior to their death.

These animals are kept in horrid conditions prior to being murdered at the hands of human beings; if we required animal slaughter to survive there would be no issue here (though the conditions of farming would be cause for moral outrage), yet we do not need to cause this suffering. A vegan diet can be just as nutritious as one containing meat, without the manifold side-effects of many processed and unprocessed meats.

For this very reason, we must combat speciesism; the idea that animals are worth so little that we can murder them merely because they are a different species. This comes from the same ideological roots as Nazism, and ought to be treated as such.

I would recommend you all watch Earthlings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrlBSuuy50Y

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Sorry if this sounds like a another "lol liberals" rant, but really I can't get over how inane the liberal idea of "lets just have more of X race/sex/ethnic group in positions of authority" is. Like, doesn't that whole position rely on some basis the belief that only people of X group can really emphasize and work in the self interest of X group? Help me out here, because I can think of no other way you could justify such a position other then some kind of pseudo-fascism.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8je64jy5Nds

>Communism is a terrible idea as evidenced by EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY THAT'S EVER TRIED IT

>Some components of communism are okay but in general its bad

>Academia is infected with communism and universities have a ton of open communists

>Communism=gulag no matter what

>MUH HUMAN NASHURE

>"haha memes xD"

>Communism works on paper

Holy shit did this guy seriously espouse every misconception about the Left and Communism but liberals and right wingers in less than 3 fucking minutes? I honestly can't even finish the fucking video jesus fucking christ

We have to take over YouTube as soon as possible, the autistic Rational Skeptic liberals are 10x as bad as the aut-right

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What is the most evil company that ever existed and why is it Chiquita Banana?

Anyone suspect they could be behind the recent turmoil in Honduras considering how they (as United Fruit Company) were behind multiple coups and bloody wars in Latin America throughout the 20th century?

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Jon Bois, /OurBoy/ (?)

Has any of you ever watched this on Bois video called 'Randall Cunningham seizes the means of production'?

i don't know how many of my fellow /leftypol/ers watch Handegg, or care about the spectacle of professional Sports, but there is no denying that Jon Bois is the best when it comes to online sports media creation.

watxh this and tell me that he is not a certified /OurBoy/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZymSrDfLhW8

believe it or not, there are still good youtube content creators not named Batko

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Beyond Surplus-Value

Reminder that the central issue with capitalism, the locus of its continued existence and expansion isn't the extraction of surplus value from wage workers by the bourgeoisie. Co-ops, who technically do away with that thanks to "workers' self-management", aren't socialist — they're capitalist, minus the boss. Socialism is about more than just collective ownership of the means of production — it's about abolishing the commodity form. Anything shot of that is essentially just more-or-less radical social-democracy.

> If exploitation is a matter of the deduction of a portion of the social product by a parasitic ruling class then socialism does not have to substantially alter the form of commodity production; but may simply take it over, eliminate the parasitic class, and distribute the product equitably.

https://endnotes.org.uk/articles/4

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Daily News Thread 12/15

China echos call to make East Jerusalem capital of independent Palestine

China has voiced its support for the establishment of an independent Palestinian state, based on pre-1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital.

https://www.rt.com/news/413326-china-palestine-independent-state/

Tillerson Demands Russia and China Cut Off North Korean Regime

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson went to the United Nations to call out Russia and China for giving North Korea an economic lifeline, saying their refusal to sever ties raises questions about their commitment to resolving what he called the United States’ “greatest national security threat.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-15/tillerson-demands-russia-and-china-cut-off-north-korean-regime

Americans pessimistic about Trump, country: AP-NORC Poll

President Donald Trump frequently casts his first year in office as a string of successes and campaign promises fulfilled. But less than a quarter of Americans think Trump has made good on the pledges he made to voters while running for president, according to a new poll by the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

https://apnews.com/9079eca84bc542a7bdd79b65fae1e53f/Americans-pessimistic-about-Trump,-country:-AP-NORC-Poll

Trump reconsiders rules protecting miners from black lung

President Donald Trump’s mining regulators are reconsidering regulations meant to protect underground miners from breathing coal and rock dust, the cause of black lung disease, and diesel exhaust, which can cause cancer.

https://apnews.com/7c330c7303f546cbb0d782d1dfe59c8c/Trump-reconsiders-rules-protecting-miners-from-black-lung

Video Shows Trump Judicial Nominee Unable To Answer Basic Questions Of Law

A viral video making the rounds Friday has one of President Trump's judicial nominees in an uncomfortable spotlight.

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/15/571060681/video-shows-trump-judicial-nominee-unable-to-answer-basic-questions-of-law

Trump Says Moore Should Concede Loss in Alabama Senate Race

President Donald Trump called on Republican candidate Roy Moore to concede losing the Alabama Senate seat to Democrat Doug Jones.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-15/trump-says-moore-should-concede-loss-to-jones-in-senate-race

Income of World's Top .001% Skyrockets by 636%: Report

The report, which highlights the growing gulf between haves and have-nots, was compiled by five economists, including scholars Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Income-of-Worlds-Top-.001-Skyrockets-by-636-Report-20171214-0036.html

Syria Talks Flounder as Saudi-led Rebels Insist on Assad Departure

Jaafari said Damascus did not want the talks to fail but the opposition had put down a precondition that Assad have no role in Syria's transition.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Syria-Talks-Flounder-as-Saudi-led-Rebels-Insist-on-Assad-Departure-20171214-0021.html

Charlottesville: James Alex Fields Jr faces life in prison

A man suspected of killing a woman near a white supremacist rally in Virginia in August is facing a possible life sentence after charges against him were upgraded to first-degree murder.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42365066

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Time Traveling Comrade

Greetings, comrades! I'm a comrade from the year 2217!

We have been able to access the internet in your timeline through a sort of quantum entanglement due to the fact that there is only one electron, which exists in all times simultaneously.

The important bit is, we are here to share our knowledge of history with you, as much as possible.

Ask away!

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/podcasts/

New thread for lefty podcast discussion

Chapo Premium Feed: http://blackwolf-elb-dev.us-west-2.elasticbeanstalk.com/rss/

Premium Cum Town:

http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:264545470/sounds.rss

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An idea for a better labor voucher

Or actually, a labor card.

The basic idea: Money ought to be abolished completely.

People are instead given electronic ID cards which have different "tiers" according to their work, situation, special needs, etc.

The lowest unemployed, single person card could be, for example, tier A. They can receive a predetermined number of basic goods from "socialist stores". They could enter into queues for larger goods, for example, computers. The lowest tier would obviously get the lowest priority in queues etc. The amount and quality of basic goods would also increase with the tier.

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Jesse Ventura interviews Jimmy Dore

>TYT host Jimmy Dore joins the governor to discuss how repealing net neutrality puts independent media at risk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywaIgoRyM8M

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Why shouldn't I be a socdem?

Capitalism, as you all well know, gradually reduces absolute poverty and improves living standards even for the poorest in the long run. Socdems, by riding this wave and pulling it leftwards, have helped improve the lives and conditions of millions. Men like Léon Blum, FDR and Clement Attlee were far from faultless or ideal, but they did more for the proletariat than any Marxist reading club, black bloc or marginal far-left party.

Now obviously capitalism is going to run its course one day, but until then aren't we better off fighting for labour rights and social welfare? The transitions to agricultural, feudal and capitalist economies were all materially inevitable - they weren't brought about by the agitation or agency of a particular faction or party. Capitalism will end one day on its own, and I see no evidence that we're going to bring that about by ourselves.

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Transformation Problem

Value is the quantity of abstract labor embedded into a commodity. Exchange value is the amount of other commodities it will get you in trade. Price is the expression of exchange value in money (the universal commodity).

How do these relate to one another quantitatively? How do you determine price from exchange value, and exchange value from value?

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/leftytrash/: Once More

ITT: movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting, etc.

This is a voluntary thread that users can choose to post in, if… I forgot the rest of whatever the old OP was. Honestly, I just wanted to bring this old thread back.

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Daily News Thread 12/14

Federal Communications Commission repeals net neutrality rules

The U.S. Federal Communications Commission swept aside rules barring broadband providers from favoring the internet traffic of websites willing to pay for speedier service, sending the future of net neutrality on to a likely court challenge.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-14/net-neutrality-rules-swept-aside-by-republican-led-u-s-fcc

Israeli Minister Threatens Attack on Lebanon

"I am telling you that we will return Lebanon to the Stone Age," said Israeli Intel Minister Yisrael Katz.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Israeli-Minister-Threatens-Attack-on-Lebanon-20171214-0011.html

Turkey reveals plan to open embassy in East Jerusalem

Turkey’s foreign minister has suggested that his country will consider opening an embassy in East Jerusalem once an independent Palestinian state is internationally recognized.

https://www.rt.com/news/413216-turkey-palestinian-east-jerusalem/

Walt Disney buys Murdoch's Fox for $52.4bn

Walt Disney has agreed to buy 21st Century Fox's entertainment assets for a total $52.4bn (£39bn).

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42353545

Hamas will reverse Trump's Jerusalem move, leader tells Gaza rally

Tens of thousands of Palestinians including hundreds of gunmen rallied in Gaza on Thursday to mark the 30th anniversary of Hamas’s founding and its chief vowed to reverse U.S. President Donald Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians/hamas-will-reverse-trumps-jerusalem-move-leader-tells-gaza-rally-idUSKBN1E80VE

Arms supplied by U.S., Saudi ended up with Islamic State, researchers say

Arms provided by the United States and Saudi Arabia to Syrian opposition groups frequently ended up in the hands of Islamic State, an arms monitoring group that analyzed weapons found on the battlefield said on Thursday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-arms/arms-supplied-by-u-s-saudi-ended-up-with-islamic-state-researchers-say-idUSKBN1E82EQ

US rep to UN shows ‘evidence’ of Iran’s missile in Yemen, promises coalition against Tehran

US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley has described Iran as a “global threat” in a news conference outlining evidence of the nation’s “destabilizing behavior” in the Middle East.

https://www.rt.com/usa/413243-haley-iran-missile-evidence/

Missing Argentine Submarine was ‘Chased’ by British Navy: Family Member

Nearly a month after its disappearance, the sister of one of the crew members who had been aboard the missing ARA San Juan submarine, has shared messages from her brother that claim a British Royal Navy helicopter had been chasing them before they disappeared.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Missing-Argentine-Submarine-was-Chased-by-British-Navy-Family-Member-20171213-0042.html

With no deal on children's health plan, U.S. states scramble for Plan B

For Nancy Minoui of Portland, Oregon, and Crystal Lett of Dublin, Ohio, Congress’ failure to fund the Children’s Health Insurance Program is not some distant tale of political wrangling.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-children/with-no-deal-on-childrens-health-plan-u-s-states-scramble-for-plan-b-idUSKBN1E81KJ

Mexico One Step Closer to Legalizing Military State

A special committee within the Mexican House of Representatives approved the latest version of the controversial Internal Security Bill.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Mexico-One-Step-Closer-to-Legalizing-Military-State-20171214-0008.html

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Sum up your worldview in one picture

Of the future if possible. Maybe more than one pic, but still.

I simultaneously like how things change, but I know it's not going to be nice.

The forth industrial revolution is around the corner, and will rethink everything about production processes and lots of other services and aspects of life.

It will reframe so violently the whole working class that communism will need to be greatly overhauled in unforseeable ways (even if the basic ideals remain intact).

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Venezeula and the Aesthetics of the Pink Tide

I am just a poorfag communist burgerstani without strong (explicit, yeah I know my spontaneous experience is shaped by ideology regardless thanks Uncle Ž) ideological convictions regarding any particular

>socialist

>ideal

But I dont know how to feel about Venezeula. I dont want to root for cops because I hate pigs like nothing else but I dont want to root for reactionary colonialcuck scum either. Im not trying to have some 2D hate or love for Venezuela and I want to support them unconditionally against foreign imperialism but I legitemately have no idea whether or not it is their own citizens in opposition to the gov, if people are really hoarding food, etc. Does anyone have any especially reputable sources about the conflict there? Call me a faggot but I dont trust teleSUR or BBC.

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Manifesto for normalizing Socialism in the USA

After a few days of suggestions and ideas I've finished my piece on normalizing socialism in the USA.

BE IN MIND, this can change and be added on to in the future.

Opinions on the piece. I'm a bit eager to hear them.

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Ancap Dystopia

Are there any books, films, games, etc. that involve a dystopia built upon Anarcho-Capitalist ideology? Preferably something that involves corporations censoring any lefty ideas, large gaps in living standards and a very rigid and commonplace caste system, technology being limited to the public and only being for the rich, etc..

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What was the impact of shock treatment on Eastern Bloc economies after the collapse of the Soviet Union and WARPACT? My friend claims it was largely beneficial, especially to Poland and former Czechoslovakia

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Can some kind anon elaborate on how Cuba's planned economy functions? All I know about planning comes from towards a new socialism so you could say I'm rather new to the subject. Therefore I'm not looking for an essay but for a crude outline I can base further research on. It would be especially great if you could contrast the Cuban model with approaches presented in TANS. Thanks in advance!

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I know most of you are too far gone, but for others I ask that you please, please read this in full.

Communism is an ideal, in the sense that communists see the unprecedented rise in wealth and standards of living in democracies, and nevertheless assume that they individually can order the world better than can competition.

That is an extraordinarily arrogant claim, as it implies omnipotence.

Mode of production and Mode of management cannot be practically separated, to claim otherwise is a weak semantic game that will only win you points among believers.

You recognise that ownership of the means of production is compatible with capitalism as all the desirable percieved ends of socialist ideology are actually slowly manifest of the emergent order of a free market.

(Remember, "Free Market" means free from designated ends, not regulation. The point of a free market is to establish competition, the maintenance of competition requires certain regulation.

A topical example of this would be Net Neutrality, which is a regulation which protects competition).

Ideology is absolutely a factor behind Revolution, folk need their emotional intuition to righteous indignation backed by some attempt at reasoning. Socialist ideology is that attempt at post hoc reasoning.

How does one convince anyone to do anything if there is no value placed on merit? Without some form of exchange how does one punish laziness or incompetence whilst rewarding hard work and efficacy?

The socialist answer thus far has been corporeal, that is brutal physical punishment, rather than dispassionate monetary incentive.

Do you truly not see how incompetent and ultimately violent such an ordering of society necessarily becomes?

And I know you guys always respond indignantly that economists always just use religious, moral etc justifications for capitalism, but this isn't true at all. For a hint at the economic sphere in leiu of actually reading economic philosophy or research, I recommend Russ Roberts' world renowned podcast "Econtalk". Read Hayek's "Road to Serfdom", it is a world renowned evisceration of socialism.

A free-market works because like a biological system, it uses a few simple rules to produce a self-correcting and ever progressing order which no one individual or group could ever be capable of dictating.

Every "Marxist" appears a hack - despite many of them being quite intelligent - because communism is a defunct activist ideology founded on 17th century scientific ignorance, the notion that we are a blank Slate, capable of being perfectly molded by culture.

(I think this ignorance ought not be to readily attributed to great fault of Marx' capacity as a thinker, he was undoubtedly a genius).

His legacy ought be modern taxation policy, fair working hours and labour unions.

Don't ask for it be more deaths, and join liberals in fighting the fights that truly matter instead

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Is there anybody alive who likes this guy? I seriously thought this was a parody of Ajit Pai at first but then I saw his face and realized it was actually him. What the fuck?

https://youtu.be/LFhT6H6pRWg

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Paul Cockshott: Traps are gay.

Breaking news: Your god has forsaken you.

https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/genders-or-sex-stereotypes-part-2/

>In what sense is a thief who has stolen your credit card and a PIN you have written down not you?

>From the standpoint of the bank teller or cash machine they are you. If someone steals your passport, and changes the photograph, then from the standpoint of the border police, they are you. The socially instituted norms of intelligibility, will, in this case treat the fake and the real person as identical.

>But we all have no hesitation in rejecting this is false pretense. Why?

>Because it is not the same body. True identity resides in bodily continuity not from the appropriation of the tokens external of identity. Technologies for bio-metric identification, whether based on iris patterns or fingerprints aim to make the token of identity something that is inseparably and continuously linked to your body.

>This has an obvious parallel to the objection by the feminist community to transsexual men declaring themselves as women. They adopt signs of identity in the form of dress, makeup and engage in explicit declaration just as the credit card fraudster adopts signs and makes declarations of a stolen identity. But all this is pretense in both cases, since true identity rests in bodily continuity.

This is what a basic Marxist approach to the issue looks like.

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So the liberals at Kurzgesagt released a video about UBI. I think it will be fun to check out some youtube comments and see the absolute state of the first world.

https://youtu.be/kl39KHS07Xc

>Regardless of how the closeted communists in the comment section are trying to frame this, WEALTH DISTRIBUTION IS A CORE TENANT OF SOCIALISM. Taking money from people that work to give to those who don't is STEALING.Better dead than red.

>This whole video can be debunked with one word. Venezuela.

>"It might be time to distribute the spoils more evenly to preserve the social peace?" Is this a joke? You endorse threats made against the wealthy just because they've managed to offer the world a great service for which they're being paid.

>Consider this, if we took all the money in the country and redistributed it equally, would the rich become rich again and the poor become come poor again? Considering that most of the rich are probably rich because work ethic and mind set I would say yes. why should we steal money from people that work harder then others and are just better with money. Ubi is practically welfare, why don't you just stop being a pussy, go to school, get a job, and invest your money. Capitalism in one sentence.

>This won't work like any one with a basic understaing of mirco-economics will tell you. When input costs are raised the cost of the good will increase. I.E. if we raise the income of all indaviguals to elimenate poverty we will just establish a new poverty line. Also UBI is basicly a hipster way of saying comunism a practice which failed and cost the lives of hundreds of millions.

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In a socialist system, what would become of plumbers? After all, their toolbox is essentially their "private property", and thus would the government forcibly seize their tools, or enact some law preventing them from charging money unless they sign up to some government register? If so, how would you prevent one plumber from charging less than another?

In fact, even if we accept that plumbers do not charge those they help, and merely have their "labour bank account" (for example) topped up by the government, how would they make a decent living without working two jobs? For, in any given community, it is fairly rare that a plumber is required. Perhaps once a day, but that isn't enough for a plumber to subsist on, even if we accept he is the only one!

How do we solve the issue of these independent workers? Handymen and the like? I recognise small businesses are basically a non-issue, but these self-employed plumbers and artisans inhabit a unique position in society, and it is difficult to see how they would be integrated into society at large without the government mandating that they sign up to some registry or such like.

Pic unrelated.

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Cultural Marxism the Meme the Myth the Legend.

I'm the author of the manifesto for normalizing socialism in the USA. Now i'm back and i'm going to write a piece on Cultural marxism, the Frankfurt School and George soros.

The basic aim of this piece is to debunk the main arguments and conspiracies put forward about them and give a left wing perspective.

If you'd like to contribute then comment bellow with information that can help.

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ITT:

Pretty new leftist flag designs, and other aesthetic things

Here's some I stole from the RedAmerican1945's "Manifesto for normalizing Socialism in the USA" thread

I made the orange and blue triple pointy flags I think they're the best ones

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Nationalism Among Communist Movements

Ever since Stalin took over the Soviet Union, I noticed quite a lot of Cold War Communist Movements were Nationalistic, quite the contrast to the internationalist intentions of Marx. Sure Communism was meant to be for the world, but each country ran it via a Leninist style One-Party State which mixed the love of their fatherland with that of the people's revolution.

Socialist states such as the USSR, Maoist China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, North Korea, Belarus, and many more had a sense of Nationalism. Perhaps not extreme nationalism (except perhaps North Korea) but the notions of the revolution being beneficial to the nation, the country is certainly present.

What are your thoughts regarding this? Do you support a Nationalistic Communism or an Internationalist Communism.

(Of Course the Nationalism in question is not specifically Ethnic Nationalism but more Civic Nationalism and when I mean "Communism" I mean the Establishment of a One-Party Leninist Socialist State)

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Is fascism collectivist or corporatist? I keep seeing different definitions by different people and it's becoming more incoherent with each take.

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Wait a minute...

Is this peculiar famous well known short gentlemen one of our own kind or is he a Rosa killer? Does this explain the episode where Charlie held a picture of Stalin and Lenin sitting together? Should we uphold Marxism-Trashmanism?

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Big pharma

Thoughts on the conspiracies? I think it fits perfectly with capitalism and porkies.

I mean, pharmacology and drugs/medicine isnt as scientific as other things, it can be heavily flawed and a lot of times the drugs they make can be really harmful if poorly tested, especially when they’re required by law so you cant test populations with and without it.

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>Ask for free money

>GET A JERB YA BUM!!11!1!1!1

Why are capitalists so brainwashed that they need to constantly drive people to join their masters?

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New videogame thread because nuke

Currently playing everlasting summer

>what I expected

a fun storydriven adventure with a lot of references to soviet union

>what I got

date a schoolgirl simulation with russian characteristics

Who ever makes these lists, delete this game from the next version

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Sir Charles will be /ourguy/

Back in Charles Barkley's playing days, he used to say he would run for governor of Alabama after he retired. It's been almost twenty years since he retired, and I think his entry into politics is coming soon. He's been getting increasingly political, he had a TV show about race relations in America recently, he's been talking a lot in these past few days after the Alabama election about how he's glad in the short term that Moore lost, but that the Democrats don't give a fuck about anyone in the long term. The press have been focusing on Barkley's statements about race and are censoring his statements about class. (https://theintercept.com/2017/12/15/charles-barkley-doug-jones-democrats-black-vote/)

This is not the first time he's talked about class.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/08/charles-barkley-politics-republicans-democrats

>All politics is rich people screwing poor people. Poor people are too stupid to know they’re just chess pieces in a game. All the poor white people, all the poor black people, all the Hispanics, they’re in the same boat. They’ve got no economic opportunities. They spend all their time blaming each other because rich people throw words at them like illegal immigration and racism and things like that. If poor people ever get smart, and realize: ‘We should band together, rise up, instead of fighting each other,’ we probably can make a difference.

>I’ve always voted Democratic. Always. I don’t know why. I’m trying to figure out exactly what they’ve done for us.

It's clear that Barkley is ready to enter politics sooner rather than later. Barkley is obviously intensely popular as a celebrity, and his tendency to speak his mind will resonate with voters if he runs for something, so if that happens I think he will win. Barkley is not a communist, but I think he would be susceptible to radicalization if he ever read Marx or was explained the principles of Marxism. Barkley will have a platform to spread ideas to a wide audience if he ever runs and he's a great speaker to boot, so it would be intensely beneficial for us to try using his inevitable campaign as a platform. And we need to make sure that Barkley has communist ideas cemented in his mind BEFORE he launches his first campaign.

We got Dore to read Marx, so we should try getting Barkley onto Dore's show. Jimmy would obviously be open to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw0oXIjsEXU&t=1069s

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What if instead of continuing the hardline anti-religious line, the left became more flexible on this issue, but without abandoning its basic principles?

Many quotes from the New Testament can be viewed as pro-poor, anti-rich, and in favor of radical social change.

What would be more likely to encourage your typical Midwest burger to question the foundations of class society - someone telling them their most deeply-held beliefs are a scam, or these passages?

You don't have to personally believe in any of it to realize it can be useful in shaking up the dominant pro-capitalist ideology.

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I would have saved you. Why didn't you listen? You fell for cornman's tricks and look at what that got you: an anemic empire run by pretentious old men. Those fools would have all been shot under me. You can't run a nuclear dictatorship of the proletariat to challenge the forces of fascism and capitalism without cracking a few skulls. Under them you won yourself a collapse. Under me we went from a backwards agrarian land of peasants to spacefarers.

I had a dream and I made that dream a reality. Can you say the same? The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world, and if you don't believe that I only did what I had to because I reckoned it necessary for the people at the time, you belong with the rest in the dustbin of history.

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Hello Friends from Brazil, Portugal, former Portuguese colonies or Latin America

Hey guys, it's me Marxist Media and I need your help with my Brigador review. The devs have based some of the game around Brazilian/Portuguese influences with some general flavours of colonialism and corporate domination, and brutal ML civil war, but I'm not sure what events they're directly referencing because they refuse to say, preferring to 'keep it interesting'. So, can you guys help me out with a quick rundown on significant events for leftism or late colonialism (post capitalism) in these regions? Thank you!

One idea I had already was about the Estado Novo vs the MFA but you could hardly call that a vicious struggle.

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/dprk/ -- North Korea General

Thread for discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Can I have any infographs or such disproving common western myths about North Korea?

Is there any chance that their weapons aren't for self-defense? What is Kim's end-game?

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As a leftist who doesn't participate in political action I've been wondering, what's up with antifa? There are loads of right wing myths surrounding the whole thing and it seems really hard to evaluate the situation and separate fact from fiction. Does anyone have any information on how prevalent burning cars for example is? In general, can someone paint an accurate picture of the movement's tactics and produce a critique along with it?

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Communism KILLED 35,000,000+

And if you don't believe me, here are some estimates — and the list is nowhere near exhaustive:

Irish Potato Famine (1845 - 1849): 1,000,000 deaths

Congo Free State (1885 - 1908): 10,000,000 deaths

World War I (1914 - 1918): 18,000,000 deaths

Bengal Gamine (1943 - 1944): 2,000,000 deaths

Bodo League Massacre (1950): 1,000,000 deaths

US Bombing of Korea (1950 - 1953): 1,000,000 deaths

Indonesian Purge (1965 - 1966): 3,000,000 deaths

But I guess that wasn't real socialism!

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The Middle Class

When did "the middle class" appear in public discourse? Who coined and/or introduced it? When did most people in the West start identifying as being part of the middle class?

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How would you describe (in a nutshell) the other forms of economic schools, and which tier would you place it?

>Monetarism

>Post-Keynesianism

>Distributism

>Carnegie school

>Neo-Ricardianism

>Stockholm school

>Lausanne school

>Institutional economics

>New institutional economics

>Anarchist economics

>State socialism

>Ricardian socialism

>Georgist economics

>Utopian economics

>Mercantilism

>Physiocrat

Can you think of anything else?

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How do I go about studying philosophy on my spare time?

I have already taken obligatory introductory courses in HS and Uni, but they were basically an overview of it's origins in ancient Greece, then cherrypick some ideas by Aristotle, Kant, Descartes, maybe some Nietzsche and finally whatever the prof's school is (in my case it was Heidegger). All very superficial and since I pretty much studied to pass, I feel like I didn't understand shit. Which I suppose is kind of a problem if I want to have a decent grasp on the philosophical foundations of Marxism, how it contrasts with other current schools of thought and how it is relevant to the problems of today's world.

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Whats the most left-leaning faction in the Fallout series and why is it the Followers of the Apocalypse?

inb4 Chinese or Minutemen

"The Followers of the Apocalypse are an organization with roots in the pre-NCR Boneyard. Dedicated to teaching the poor and healing the sick, they are also considered anarchist revolutionaries by many people in positions of power." -Fallout NV Loading Screen

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Tankies

How do we stop ☭TANKIE☭s from taking over the entire board?

I certainly don't support getting rid of them entirely but this place is seriously turning into /tankiepol/

What with the banning of Bat'ko, and over a dozen US military bases in Syria discussion being suppressed, it really feels like anti-authoritarian voices are being pushed out in favor of North Korea and China apologists.

I'd love to hear from all sides on this

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cryptocurrency

>If socialists wanted to help the poor so much, why didn't they study and promote Bitcoin, rather than whining about diversity?

>If feminists wanted to empower women so much, why didn't they study and promote Bitcoin, rather than whining about mansplaining?

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/941704061061124098

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/941717489645473792

When the revolution comes, all crypto miners get a bullet to the head. Their GPUs and ASICs will be redistributed to the gamers and sysadmins of the world.

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>Right wingers aren't well re-

So why do you demand everyone to read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Bookchin, Bordiga, etc. When you don't read right-wing books?

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Does anyone know where I can find a copy of this documentary it looks pretty well made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPare1-fHXM

I would really prefer this thread didn't turn into pro vs anti antifascism, I just want to watch this documentary I'm not trying to start some theoretical debate.

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Post-WWII Capitalism

Liberals and social democrats often argue that the 1950s and 1960s were the peak of civilization, a time when social equality, material improvement, and technological progress intertwined. But is the latter part even true?

Recently, I picked up a book called "Wealth and Power in America: An Analysis of Social Class and Income Distribution" Now, I know what you're thinking

>America

<Soc Dem

The thing is that Soc Dems rarely set a firm and objective standard that would allow us to differentiate between America's uncouth go-fast capitalism and enlightened European capitalism. There's much to suggest that the differentiation is erroneous, see pic related.

Second point, is that I have focused largely on America during the 50s-60s because it was the largest economy during the post-war boom, I speak English and it seems data and critical commentary on said data pertaining to the elite of other Western countries is not found easily. I am not surprised that illustrious oligarchs such as the Rothschild family, the British royal family, oil-billionaire Calouste Gulbenkian etc. maintained their status as some of the richest people in the world during the labor governments of the interwar and post-war years in Britain. From what I can see European oligarchs in other capitalist countries did similarly well.

The first point is obviously America's high marginal income tax in the Post-War years: 91% on top 1% income. Liberals and social dems tout this as an amazing commitment to economic equality and democracy on the part of the US government. But, according to Bureau of Internal Revenue documents cited by Kolko the real effective rate was only 54%(32)–Bernie's proposed tax rate was only .2% higher! Corporate expense accounts compensating executives through phony accounting was another way of avoiding this:

>An unofficial Treasury Department estimate in August,1957, placed corporate expense account outlays at more than $5 billion, and possibly as high as 10 billion. If only one tenth of this is considered income-in-kind for the top tenth, it would add at least 1 percentage point to this group's share of national income (20).

Kolko's estimate here is conservative and what he reveals in the book is corruption on a scale as grand as what you might read about in the late-era of the Soviet Union.

According to the national Bureau of Economic Research 9% of US personal money-income went unreported in 1957 (21), or around $27.7 billion dollars. According to a 1941 BLS paper non-reporting was almost exclusively an upper-class phenomenon. The problem was so bad that between 1950-1953 that top 10% income declined on paper while the National Bureau of Economic Research reported that an increase in income among the top 10% was "almost certain" and found the trend "puzzling". It should be pointed out that this was income criminally evaded, and this looting was taking place on an epic scale while American workers who had previously paid no income tax prior to WWII were permanently conscripted to the income tax.

The point on capital gains, which is how most of the elite took home their profits is well-known, they were taxed at 20% or around the lowest income tax rate. According to Kolko capitalists also earned interest tax-free on the bonds that they owned in this period. Kolko finds that national personal income went from 33.9% in 1910 to just 28.9% in 1959; the bottom ten percent 3.4% in 1910, 1.1% in 1959. The bottom 30% see a decline in their share of national income–in spite of the real and acknowledged improvement in the standard of living.

This trend of capitalist rebellion against bourgeois democratic control wasn't limited to America but also in Europe. According to Gabriel Zuccman by 1975 conservatively speaking 5% of European wealth was stashed in Swiss tax havens. And this is perhaps more significantly than Kolko's discoveries because according Zuccman Europe outdoes all other continents in terms of wealth and most of the wealth held in Swiss accounts belongs to Europeans.

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News

Where do you get your news, /leftypol/? I want to get my news from all over the leftist spectrum. I really only read Jacobin articles that seemed interesting once they tweeted them out until recently so I've been looking for some extra outlets.

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Actual meaningful praxis : the first step towards socialism

So I'm an individual who's been spending his spare time for the past few years reading marxist theory, philosophy, learning about history and generally trying to figure out how do we avoid the global general catastrophy.

The pdf file here outlines the first rough sketch of what I've come up with.

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How many people here used to be 4chan users, especially /pol/? I imagine many here are ex-4/pol/ users. Why did you end up leaving? What was it that ultimately made you switch over to here? What do you think of the place now?

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Draw and tan related stuff

The previous thread got nuked.

Come here draw friends to request and deliver.

Remember to post your shit in the booru:

http://lefty.booru.org/

Some character references:

http://lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=4691

http://lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=4682

http://lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=4599

Bonus: http://dis.4chanhouse.org/gen/src/145642090121.png

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How would proper resource allocation be determined and provided for the research and production of genetically engineered Catgirls in a non-market socialist society?

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/LeftyBritPol/ - "Scottish State Richard [De Leon]ardism Inbound" edition

Things are only getting better: a tory party that has a budget that one wing of the party will autistically screech about, our boi Leonard got elected in Scotland, literally nobody as in no existing human being is more popular than any potential candidate for tory leader and McDonnell's powerlevel grows every day. What's next lads? and I totally didn't just waffle then to hit the 200 char limit

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December Global Capitalism Update

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE_qeBwvHwc

EVERYBODY GET IN HERE

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Municipal broadband vs. Cooperative broadband

Which system is better?

Municipal broadband

Pros:

Lowest prices

Workers get typical government job benefits

Cons:

Can easily be privatized and sold off by a right-wing mayor or governor that takes over

Can easily be censored with "indecency" laws by prudish voters in actually reactionary cities

Cooperative broadband

Pros:

Okay prices, comparatively better than capitalist corporations

Workers get all the benefits of working in a co-op

Cons:

Since co-ops, like capitalist corporations, are still driven by profits, they will price gouge the public when they can

I know that ideally a city should have both options as a choice (ie. one municipal system and multiple co-ops), but for the time being if you could focus your energy on pushing for one system of circumventing the Net Neutrality repeal and competing with capitalist cable company monopolies, which would be the best bet?

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Is there anything more absolutely fucking embarrassing than """""""""""""""""""""""socialists""""""""""""""""""""""" or """""""""""""""""""""""communists""""""""""""""""""""""" who don't have anything positive to say about capitalism? Like how do you even fucking justify that? How fucking stupid do you have to be?

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>abolished commodity production

>abolished money

>abolished value

>abolished the family

>abolished surnames as remnants of the hierachical bourgeois society

>hated by literally everybody

Was there every a truer communist than Brother Number One?

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/sorry/ - Canadian Politics

General catch-all thread for Canadian politics, griping about neolibs and idpol, news and current events, and anything else going on of note.

>E-celeb drama (aut-right or otherwise) should go in /leftytrash/ unless it mainly relates to Canadian issues or events.

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I don't know why I was banned for 7 days for this thread but now that I'm unbanned let me ask you again.

What do you think of Zizek's latest approach where he advocates for more dialogue between the alt-right and the leftist remnants of the democratic party in the US? Personally I don't believe that leftists should engage with ultra-reactionaries and we should seek to reform the left through social agitation and protest. If the alt-right want to do their racist demonstrations, it is essential for us to suppress them at all costs to deny them any serious political power. I suppose in the grand scheme of things, it is more important for us to crush the reactionaries first and let the contradictions of capitalism become more clear so that the fight against our real enemy could go better. What does /leftypol/ think?

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Bolshevik Bistro: Interview with Paul Cockshott / Cockshott general

https://youtu.be/Ip4H54iKMfw

Paul Cockshott is a Scottish computer scientist and a reader at the University of Glasgow(just retired). His major areas of work include array compilers, econophysics and the physical foundations of computability.

He has written a number of books including Towards a New Socialism and more recently Classical Econophysics.

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Constant Capital and Value Creation

Why does constant capital (plant, machinery, raw material, etc) only transfer its value to the final commodity without creating any surplus value? I think I understand the tendency of the rate of profit to fall fairly well now, but I'm still struggling with this bit.

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Chomsky On Dialectics

Dialectics is one that I've never understood, actually-I've just never understood what the word means. Marx doesn't use it, incidentally, it's used by Engels. And if anybody can tell me what it is, I'll be happy. I mean, I've read all kinds of things which talk about "dialectics"-I haven't the foggiest idea what it is. It seems to mean something about complexity, or alternative positions, or change, or something. I don't know.

I'll tell you the honest truth: I'm kind of simple-minded when it comes to

these things. Whenever I hear a four-syllable word I get skeptical, because I want to make sure you can't say it in monosyllables. Don't forget, part of the whole intellectual vocation is creating a niche for yourself, and if every- body can understand what you're talking about, you've sort of lost, because then what makes you special? What makes you special has got to be something that you had to work really hard to understand, and you mastered it, and all those guys out there don't understand it, and then that becomes the basis for your privilege and your power.

So take what's called "literary theory" -I mean, I don't think there's any such thing as literary "theory," any more than there's cultural "theory" or historical "theory." If you're just reading books and talking about them and getting people to understand them, okay, you can be terrific at that, like Edmund Wilson was terrific at it-but he didn't have a literary theory. On the other hand, if you want to mingle in the same room with that physicist over there who's talking about quarks, you'd better have a complicated theory too that nobody can understand: he has a complicated theory that nobody can understand, why shouldn't I have a complicated theory that nobody can understand? If someone came along with a theory of history, it would be the same: either it would be truisms, or maybe some smart ideas, like somebody could say, "Why not look at economic factors lying behind the Constitution?" or something like that-but there'd be nothing there that couldn't be said in monosyllables.

In fact, it's extremely rare, outside of the natural sciences, to find things that can't be said in monosyllables: there are just interesting, simple ideas, which are often extremely difficult to come up with and hard to work out. Like, if you want to try to understand how the modern industrial economy developed, let's say, that can take a lot of work. But the "theory" will be ex- tremely thin, if by "theory" we mean something with principles which are not obvious when you first look at them, and from which you can deduce surprising consequences and try to confirm the principles-you're not going to find anything like that in the social world.

Incidentally, I should say that my own political writing is often denounced from both the left and the right for being non-theoretical-and that's completely correct. But it's exactly as theoretical as anyone else's, I just don't call it "theoretical," I call it "trivial" -which is in fact what it is. I mean, it's not that some of these people whose stuff is considered "deep theory" and so on don't have some interesting things to say. Often they have very interesting things to say. But it's nothing that you couldn't say at the level of a high school student, or that a high school student couldn't figure out if they had the time and support and a little bit of training.

I think people should be extremely skeptical when intellectual life con- structs structures which aren't transparent-because the fact of the matter is that in most areas of life, we just don't understand anything very much. There are some areas, like say, quantum physics, where they're not faking. But most of the time it's just fakery, I think: anything that's at all understood can probably be described pretty simply. And when words like "di- alectics" come along, or "hermeneutics," and all this kind of stuff that's supposed to be very profound, like Goering, "I reach for my revolver."

SO WHO DO YOU SIDE WITH? ENGELS OR CHOMSKY?

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Gen Z

<tfw when fascists say gen Z supports them

<tfw when most gen Z are still in primary school

What is the point of this stupid meme? I know its supposed to make them look popular, but they are saying that their supporters are children. fucking 9 year olds who's only mention of politics in their life is "what is an politics?". do fascists realy think that this is their most powerful demographic?

i would say this meme comes about because most fascists are simply edgy teenagers, and they think that everyone with similar age has the same belief for some retarded reason.

pic not related.

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Past ideologies

So what ideologies were you before the one you are now?

>Started off as a berniecrat then became a trot after reading Animal Farm and talking to some trots handing papers in union square.

> Early 2016 became a non-sectarian ML after reading a lot of lenin and zizek's theory and finding out that most ML's in nyc are red liberals and idpolers with the PSL, Trots and ancoms being the only good groups in the city.

I'm still a ML, What were you guys ?

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Disney corporation buying (most of) Fox for 52 billion dollars. This would make Disney an even bigger monopoly than It already is

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/media/disney-fox-deal/index.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42353545

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/12/14/disney-buys-much-of-fox-in-mega-merger-that-will-shake-world-of-entertainment-and-media/

It should be noted that Fox News will not be included in this buyout, Instead fox news is going to be split into a seperate company still under Murdoch control.

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Emmanuel Todd

redpill me on him

i know he predicted the collapse of the soviet union, as well as the birth of populism in the first world (trump, le pen, golden dawn, who knows), thus he is considered a modern prophet or something.

i know his analysis is concerned on the familiar structure, i wanted to know if his work has anything to do with engel's, or if it's materialistic or compatible with marxism

thanks

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How do you guys see the american civil war?

I look at the civil this way that wouldnt be revionistic or contrary to either north or souths goals or intentions. The union you could say was more socialist and nationalistic due to a stronger and effective government beneficial for the nation, the union side also had many leftists fight along their side against the confederacy to help free the black slaves, even the socialist fighters in the spanish civil war against the hitler backed regime had a paramilitary company called abraham lincoln brigade, you can say kind of that the american republican party has roots in what today we would recognize as socialism.

I see the confederacy as libertarian capitalists because they secceeded from the union to form a smaller government called a confederacy because they were afraid that the federal government was gonna infringe their personal libertarian right to own slaves.

In a way, the union victory in the civil war I see it as a victory against a selfish capitalist libertarian greedy entity.

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This FUCKING rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTkywyKV-9U

Finally were getting some of the recognition we deserve from the elder statesmen of the counter culture.

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production thread

I wrote some stuff about socialism and want to know whats the best lefty outlet to start publishing it.

also spread what you wrote/share it,discuss modern lefty thinkers, media and books.

i talked with a lot of venezuelan militants about chavez and maduro. their loyalty is heart-warming-

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Who are some good contemporary thinkers to read?

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/theory/

I figured with the reset and a dearth of constantly resurfacing old threads - it might be worthwhile to have a thread wholly dedicated to the proliferation and discussion of theory. Share, compare or whatever, argue in good faith!

>What are you reading?

>Have you written anything of late you'd like to share?

>Is there a certain book or theorist/philosopher that you'd like to read?

Topical Links

http://www.theoryleaks.org/

>Excellent resource for connections to critical theory books that may otherwise be copyrighted or unavailable in the public domain at the present time

https://www.marxists.org/

>Pretty complete database of a great number of polemical and theoretical writings from a large array of leftist authors

https://theanarchistlibrary.org

>Anarchy, ho! A comprehensive resource of links, pdf's, etc. of anarchist writers from across the epochs

https://www.scribd.com/

>Make an account, free trial for access, and download papers, essays, and some of the more hard to reach oeuvres of the minds of the left. Also useful for entertainment downloads.

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Questions for My fellow Comrades.

>Big shot, hardworking, CEO who has no legs, needs to go to a meeting that will increase the profit of his business

>Needs a nurse to wheel him to these meetings

>Pays the nurse sightly above what the average nurses get, even tho he gets paid a lot more from theses meetings

Why do you commies have a problem with this?

Be me

>Ask a leftypol anon this

<He saids it's wrong, and that she should be paid half of what he makes

>I disagree with him, saying that she isn't doing a note worth job, that no one else can do

<He says that the nurse should tell him to pay more, otherwise the nurse will leave

>I point out how the CEO can easily say no, and hire a new nurse who is willing to get equal pay for equal work

<He says that's what's wrong with capitalism, that we can easily replace people for jobs

>I ask him why he thinks being forced to stay with one employee would be good, because I only see problems of employees unjustly taking advantage of this system

>Then thread becomes archored, promising to me, that he won't be able to see or respond to the post

Can you explain his reasoning to me, and how this system of not being able to hire someone better fitted for a job, is wrong?

Last question that really has nothing to do with any of this. I'm planing to do a bait and switch on pol, tricking them into reading a book called West of Eden. I want to know your thoughts on this, and how best to word this question?

Also, Hoochie is a cunt.

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webm/mp4 thread?

i always end up saving a lot of good stuff from these threads so am making a webm thread since one isn't in the catalog. come in and post some stuff, lads. those who post soundless webm's will be shot on sight

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https://www.eater.com/2017/12/5/16708374/tipping-laws-trump-department-of-labor-changes

>Owners acknowledge that kitchen staff aren't paid enough

>"That means we should be able to pocket tips" They're not even trying at this point

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>net neutrality is dead

>even minor environmental protections completely gutted

>tax cuts are definitely going to go through

>every imperialist war has been exacerbated and a new one with Iran is about to start

>the Democrats have made half the country scared of Russia again for literally no fucking reason other than to get support for their next coup in Eastern Europe

>a neoliberal cuck beating a reactionary theocrat by a slim margin is seen as a "leftist victory"

>every far-left org in USA are out of touch anarkiddies or autistic M-Ls who are both balls deep in bourgeoise IdPol and PC culture

>more "pragmatic" ones like Democratic Cops of America are ruled by Democrat shills who do everything they can to cuck the more radical chapters out of real influence and power

>clean drinking water doesn't exist in a majority of cities

>police are being increasingly militarized

>surveillance is worse than at any point in any country's history

>people would rather be homeless than challenge the system and even make it seem cute and fun on social media

>opioids and alcoholism are still killing tens of thousands

As an American why the fuck shouldn't I just give up like everyone else in my country? There's no point here, Leftism is dead and we're just going to oscillate between psuedo-keynesian neoliberalism and psuedo-fascist neoreactionaries running shit for the next 100 years while all the porkies fuck each other. Fuck this I want to kill myself and you can't give me one good reason why I shouldn't

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Did Althusser just BTFOed leftcoms?

"Althusser specifies that the development of productive practices within a specific mode of production is often “uneven” in addition to possibly being antagonistic. This means, for instance, that some economic elements within a whole may be more or less capitalistic while others simultaneously operate according to socialist norms. Thus the development within a mode of production of the practices specific to it is not necessarily homogenous or linear."

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This musical's getting popular & is annoying the shit out of me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mXmH2xr0U

The movie and the musical are such shitfests of tsarist propaganda, and of course the current generation is just eating it up. Bleh. I utterly loath the apologia/fetishism of monarchy, and especially the tsars as if they were some magical fairies who we should luv so much cuz aww muh princesses - this musical especially pisses me off with how its pretending to be more historically accurate.

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Trump Tax Reform &Alt-Right

So, apparently Moriaku is defending the Trump tax reforms including the estate ("muh time preference") maybe this didn't deserve its own thread but I wanted to see what others thought of his arguments here and knew if others on the Alt-Right are doing the same. So much for the anti-capitalist right, I guess.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=l66v96u_kyY

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Leftist Article/Literature thread

Post good leftist article and/or literature, here is one of each

https://adidasmarxism.wordpress.com/2017/08/25/american-thought-from-theoretical-barbarism-to-intellectual-decadence/

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Daily News Thread 12/13

Democrat Doug Jones Defeats GOP’s Roy Moore in Alabama Senate Race

Democrat Doug Jones delivered a stunning upset defeat to Republican Roy Moore in a U.S. Senate race in deep-red Alabama that had split the GOP even before its controversial nominee was accused of inappropriate conduct with teenage girls.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-13/moore-defeated-by-democrat-jones-in-alabama-s-u-s-senate-race

Trump says Senate loss proves him right

US President Donald Trump has distanced himself from Republican Roy Moore after his shock defeat in a Senate race in the deeply conservative Alabama.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42343054

White House Aide Omarosa Manigault Newman Resigning

Omarosa Manigault Newman, the former Apprentice and Celebrity Apprentice contestant turned White House aide, is stepping down from her post. In a terse statement Wednesday, the White House said she "resigned yesterday to pursue other opportunities. Her departure will not be effective until January 20, 2018. We wish her the best in future endeavors and are grateful for her service."

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/13/570449567/white-house-aide-omarosa-manigault-resigning

Al Franken’s Senate Replacement Is Minnesota Lieutenant Governor Tina Smith

Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton said he will appoint Lieutenant Governor Tina Smith to fill the U.S. Senate seat of Democrat Al Franken when he formally resigns amid sexual harassment allegations.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-13/franken-s-senate-replacement-is-minnesota-lieutenant-governor

Yemen: Saudi Airstrikes Kill Dozens

At least 39 people died and 90 others were left injured, Reuters reported.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Yemen-Saudi-Airstrikes-Kill-Dozens-20171213-0006.html

Window falls from U.S. Marines helicopter onto school grounds in Japan's Okinawa

A window fell from a U.S. helicopter onto a school sports field near a U.S. Marines air base on Okinawa on Wednesday, the Marines said, the latest in a series of accidents that have fanned safety concerns on Japan’s southern island.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-usa-okinawa/window-falls-from-u-s-marines-helicopter-onto-school-grounds-in-japans-okinawa-idUSKBN1E70BT

'Permanent Probation': 7,300 LA Residents Freed From Unconstitutional Gang Injunction

Thousands of criminalized youth were denied basic rights because they “associated” with alleged gang members, including co-workers, neighbors, and even parents.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Permanent-Probation-7300-LA-Residents-Freed-From-Unconstitutional-Gang-Injunction-20171212-0032.html

Caterpillar, Porsche among corporations that paid spy firms to snoop on activists – leaks

Big, brand-name companies hired private intelligence firms to monitor political groups considered to be threats to their businesses, leaked documents reveal. The papers shine light on the shadowy world of corporate intelligence gathering.

https://www.rt.com/news/412982-private-surveillance-caterpillar-corporations/

Starbucks cafe's wi-fi made computers mine crypto-currency

Starbucks has acknowledged that visitors to one of its branches were unwittingly recruited into a crypto-currency mining operation.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42338754

Air pollution linked to delinquent behaviour in teenagers

There is a link between high levels of air pollution and increased delinquency or bad behaviour among young people, according to a new study conducted by researchers from the University of Southern California.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/air-pollution-linked-bad-behaviour-teenagers-1651388

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1 in 5 Americans in their 20s call Stalin, Kim Jong Un heroes

According to a study by the "Victims of Communism Foundation", 20% of Americans in their 20s identify Stalin and Kim Jong Un as Heroes.

More Americans in their 20s prefer socialism than capitalism.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/4/majority-millennials-want-live-socialist-fascist-o/

What's going to happen when all the spooked boomer dotards finally die off? Seems to me like the US plutocrats are in for some difficult times in the near future.

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COP MURDERS MAN BEGGING FOR HIS LIFE

Edited version of the shooting from TYT-

https://youtu.be/qTdJYZMKeQs?t=76

Full video here of the killing-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw

The pig was acquitted on all charges.

F U C K T H E P O L I C E!

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Is Gramsci a right-wing social democrat? He's trendy among some European new-right circles currently. I do think his Marxism is the very opposite of Leninism.

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Pictured is a queue in the USSR over a MILE LONG to see Lenin's corpse… That's how bad the shortage of MARXISM-LENINISM was. Still think revisionism works?

https://www.rferl.org/a/24965771.html

>An entrance to Moscow's Red Square, with St. Basil's Cathedral in the distance, and the State Historical Museum to the left. Thousands of people can be seen standing in a long, snaking line to enter Lenin's mausoleum.

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How do we fix this?

*enters voluntary exchange of labour and goods*

I'm being oppressed!

*Other peoples property is taken away from them by force and given to you for free*

DASS RITE! but I want MORE!

*votes for liberal monstrosity*

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How does one counter the liberal hysteria about US democracy being controlled by Russian hackers and Trump being Putin's puppet? It's getting fucking annoying not to be able to talk about the Democrats being worthless shitters because apparently they only lost because of this international conspiracy rather than any fault of their own.

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alt-right cringe general

pasta:

Don't trust Stalin. He's a Commie! I'm a Not Socialist. If you are wondering why I'm here, it's because I genuinely love the Japanese Empire and German Third Reich. It's a shame that the Axis lost the war, now most of European and Japanese youth have been emasculated and taught to hate their own culture, their own blood, their own heritage, their own heroes (Hitler and Hirohito, Himmler and Tojo.) And they are also taught about the Jewish lie called the Holocaust and Rape of Nanking!!! Japan and Germany did nothing wrong during World War 2!!!!

Oh and on the subject of anime, I only like Gintama and Berserk…. I guess maybe One Piece and Dragon Ball as well…. Bleach WAS good, until the Aizen arc ended (honestly should have just ended after the Aizen arc.) And I do enjoy Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Trigun, and Naruto…. (Not exactly a fan of Boruto though. :P) Akame Ga Kill is good and depicts a Nationalist revolution just like Gintama does. =D

Am I a weeb? No. I'm just an anime fan. Not an otaku or a weeb. Just a guy who likes anime and manga.

But I also love old-fashioned European comics and animation like Asterix and Obelix, The Adventures of Tintin, stuff like that.

I'm going to turn 17 in a couple days…. I am of German, Polish, Irish, Scottish, Austrian, Finnish, Hungarian, Italian, Croatian, and a little bit of Japanese blood. I'm not ashamed of my heritage. I'm quite proud of the Ustase, Imperial Army, and the Waffen-SS. =)

I'm also a bit of a metalhead as well, I enjoy listening to Amon Amarth, Sabaton, Judas Priest, Slayer, Godsmack, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Sodom, Stratovarius, Dragonforce, and Blind Guardian.

I workout for fun and I've been working out for over three years now to keep my body in-shape.

I'm trying to break away from a soda addiction, but it's fucking hard!!!

Oh and I'm trying to eat as healthy as I can so I can stay fit.

My goal in life? To start up a Nationalist party, and hopefully spur and inspire a Nationalist revolution in the hearts of the people against the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Globalists🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 and the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Bankers🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧.

I am an Alt-Right guy and uh yeah. =)

I'm sure nobody cares…. just thought I'd say. =P

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What do you think would have happened if it had been America vs. Britain instead of being America and the rest of the Allies vs. Germany?

>I pass to the fourth series of contradictions, to those between the victor countries. The basic facts here are that, in spite of the existence of a sort of bloc between America and Britain, a bloc founded on an agreement between America and Britain against the annulment of Allied debts, in spite of this bloc, I say, the conflict of interests between Britain and America is not being allayed, on the contrary, it is becoming more intense. One of the principal problems now facing the world powers is the problem of oil. If, for example, we take America, we find that she produces about 70 per cent of the world output of oil and accounts for over 60 per cent of total world consumption. Well, it is just in this sphere, which is the principal nerve of the entire economic and military activities of the world powers, that America everywhere and always encounters opposition from Britain. If we take the two world oil companies — Standard Oil and Royal Dutch-Shell, the former representing America and the latter Britain — we find that the struggle between those companies is going on in all parts of the world, wherever oil is obtainable. It is a struggle between America and Britain. For the problem of oil is a vital one; because who will command in the next war depends on who will have most oil. Who will command world industry and trade depends on who will have most oil. Now that the fleets of the advanced countries are passing over to oil propulsion, oil is the vital nerve of the struggle among the world states for supremacy both in peace and in war. It is precisely in this sphere that the struggle between the British oil companies and the American oil companies is a mortal one, not always coming into the open, it is true, but always going on and smouldering, as is evident from the history of the negotiations and from the history of the clashes between Britain and America on this ground. It is sufficient to recall the series of Notes of Hughes, when he was United States Secretary of State, directed against Britain on the oil question. The struggle is going on in South America, in Persia, in Europe, in those districts of Rumania and Galicia where oil is to be found, in all parts of the world, sometimes in a concealed and sometimes in an open form. That is apart from such a fact of no little importance as the conflict of interests between Britain and America in China. You no doubt know that the struggle there is a concealed one, and that very often America, operating in a more flexible manner and refraining from the crude colonial methods which the British lords have not yet abandoned, succeeds in putting a spoke in Britain's wheel in China in order to oust Britain and pave the way for herself in China. Obviously, Britain cannot look upon this with indifference.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1925/12/18.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

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Galloway

Is Galloway /ourguy/ in the UK? >inb4 Corbynfags

>hates Israel and Zionism

>anti-imperialist as fuck

>does not give a single shit about IdPol whatsoever

>has repeatedly told neocons on air that they are murderers who should be in prison

>blew Christopher Hitchens the fuck out in a debate about the Iraq War

>endorses socialism above all else and isn't afraid to criticize Labor

>was dismissed from parliament

>more anti-Blairite than anyone currently in the Labor party even under Corbyn's leadership

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NEW /leftypol/ reading list

Old thread reached post limit. Let's start with something fresh. The fucking captcha expires by the time the PDF uploads and it won't disappear, next post is the file.

>Honeybees make decisions collectively–and democratically. Every year, faced with the life-or-death problem of choosing and traveling to a new home, honeybees stake everything on a process that includes collective fact-finding, vigorous debate, and consensus building. In fact, as world-renowned animal behaviorist Thomas Seeley reveals, these incredible insects have much to teach us when it comes to collective wisdom and effective decision making. A remarkable and richly illustrated account of scientific discovery, Honeybee Democracy brings together, for the first time, decades of Seeley's pioneering research to tell the amazing story of house hunting and democratic debate among the honeybees.

>In the late spring and early summer, as a bee colony becomes overcrowded, a third of the hive stays behind and rears a new queen, while a swarm of thousands departs with the old queen to produce a daughter colony. Seeley describes how these bees evaluate potential nest sites, advertise their discoveries to one another, engage in open deliberation, choose a final site, and navigate together–as a swirling cloud of bees–to their new home. Seeley investigates how evolution has honed the decision-making methods of honeybees over millions of years, and he considers similarities between the ways that bee swarms and primate brains process information. He concludes that what works well for bees can also work well for people: any decision-making group should consist of individuals with shared interests and mutual respect, a leader's influence should be minimized, debate should be relied upon, diverse solutions should be sought, and the majority should be counted on for a dependable resolution.

>An impressive exploration of animal behavior, Honeybee Democracy shows that decision-making groups, whether honeybee or human, can be smarter than even the smartest individuals in them.

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>Its just a bubble! The market doesn't correct!

How does it feel nocoiners? To be eternally btfo by libertarian economics while your economies shit themselves.

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Nationalism and Leftism?

I have been under the impression that leftism is opposed to nationalism, or that nationalism is inherently a Right-wing idea, especially racial nationalism. So why is this flag associated with the left if it's a African nationalistic straight-up Black Nationalist symbol?

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Death Penalty Debate

Should the death penalty be allowed?

Consider the following:

>Morality

>Constitutionality

>Deterrence

>Retribution

>Irrevocable mistakes

>Cost of death vs life in prison

>Legacy of racism

>Closure for victim families

>Attorney quality and court reliability

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If Marx was alive today, would he have wanted to leave the EU or remain in it [even if a revolution wasn't near]?

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The Liberal Question

I fail to understand them.

They seem to have no ideology whatsoever, even less than the autistic right.

They seem to have a burning hatred for Christianity (at least at my uni, it's regarded as opressive)

Yet they seem to have no problem with other religions, like Islam or Judaism.

They do seem to value the freedom to vote, but do not have to time to research the values of the parties they vote for. Let alone actually reading economic or social theory.

They enjoy being heard, but do not have the time to do some research and form a cohesive argument.

They do not give 2 shits about class, only supporting less fortunates when it allows them to gain the moral high ground, while completely ignoring it in other instances.

Are they just useful idiots?

Are they incapable of thinking for themselves, content to eat up and spew out what the capitalistic media is (force) feeding them?

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What is, in your opinion, the strongest non-Marxist socialism and/or critique of capitalism? What is the most interesting and compelling alternative to Marxism?

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Žižek: the left should ally with the alt-right

"Alt-right Trump supporters and left-wing Bernie Sanders fans should join together to defeat capitalism"

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-steve-bannon-alt-right-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-anti-capitalism-together-a8076501.html

Is Žižek now Nazbol?

I think it does make some sense to exploit the class divisions in both Republicans and Democrats to further weaken them. The question is are we organized enough to fill the power vacuum, doubt it. Weak Democrats and Republicans does not necessarily mean real left will step in, more likely that alt-right will instead. I think Žižek is gambling on the chance that the left will get its shit together in this event, or at least putting forth the possibility that they will. When he argued for Trump over Hillary he quoted Mao, "Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.”

Should we form any strategic alliances with the alt-right (or alt-light) or no? Effectively many segments of the left have already chosen a strategic alliance with liberals against the right. Isn't this unbalanced, causing us to prioritize fighting the right over class struggle? Perhaps allying with elements of the alt-right base could expose them to real class analysis.

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/ourgirl/

Is she /ourgirl/?

a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a

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Serious question to anti-Stalinists

How many of you leftcoms/anarchists have bothered to read any of the man's writings, specifically "Foundations of Leninism"? Doesn't it make sense to read someone's work before lambasting them?

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Geopolitics

I'm interested in learning about geopolitics and foreign policies of the global players. Can anyone explain the goals of each or suggest sources to get a better understanding?

USA/NATO - spread liberal democracy mostly through coups

Russian Federation - weaken NATO, do they really follow Dugin?

China - seems like they are the most benevolent power, wants to be left alone as much as possible

????

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Estate Tax

With its assault on the estate tax, the GOP is demonstrating that it’s not even under the thumb of the 1 percent, but the 0.2 percent. The Republican Party now represents something unique: untethered to any intelligible political philosophy, it’s increasingly guided by nothing but a hatred for the Left and a blind devotion to the billionaire class.

https://jacobinmag.com/2017/12/estate-tax-cut-plan-republicans

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Leftyschool

For people still in High School or College how woke are the people and teachers in your school.

>Have guy in my debating world history class today go on a rant on how the US overthrow democracies and called the socdem teacher a reformist capitalist.

>Socdem history teacher getting radicalized by me and him talking about former socialist countries like Yugoslavia and Burkina Faso and the fallout decommunization.

Have you guys had the same luck as me?

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Alabama

Haven't seen an alabama election thread. Roy Moore vs. Doug Jones.

FiveThirtyEight live blog: http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/alabama-senate-election-results/

NYtimes live results:

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alabama-senate-special-election-roy-moore-doug-jones

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List of Leftist Tendencies

What about a comprehensive survey of the different schools of thought associated with "the Left" so we can gain historical insight about the ideological history of leftist (or leftist-sounding) political traditions?

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Ok /leftypol/ give me it to me straight is the rise of the far right on the internet mean that we fascism will make a real comeback and will take power in the future? It seems like everyday far right ideals are becoming more and more normalized among the younger generation especially. I'm hoping it's just another internet fad and it will eventually die out like new atheism but I'm having strong feelings based on what I'm seeing politically and the fact that capitalism is dying that fascists will take power again and wreck even more havoc than they did last time and leftists aren't at all prepared.

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How come Marxism is so highly regarded in academia but anarchism is not? And why is in actual practice it's the opposite? Is it only because of the Eastern Block institutionalizing Marxism or something else?

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Why are the working classes not getting on board with the leftist message? Surely it is in their best interests to do so, so why don't they respond well to socialism?

ALSO, why is revolution taking SO LONG to come?

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hoxha dindu nuffin

Reasons why hoxha did nothing wrong:

- Rose literacy by around 90%

- Made females considered the same species

- Built a fuckton of bunkers

I am an anarchist and i unironicly support hoxha, he is probably my favorite cold-war leader.

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Uphold Anarcho-Metalism

Ministry just made a song about Antifa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTkywyKV-9U

The video is by far the cheesiest part, lyrics and music not that bad. Idk, it's kinda cringy, but still kinda awesome.

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Great Purge

Do ☭TANKIE☭s and M-L's here think Stalin's purges were justified? I'm a M-L but after reading an exchange between Ismail and some Stalinist tripfag on /marx/ I've been convinced that the purges under Stalin were completely retarded (and can't be blamed completely on Yezhov or whoever).

Some good remarks by Ismail criticising "lazy" anti-revisionism

>No, simply saying "class struggle intensifies under socialism" does not magically prevent revisionism from becoming ascendant.

>It should be fairly obvious, looking at the examples of Stalin, Mao and Hoxha, that their practice of "class struggle" by blindly swinging at potential bad guys is not an effective means of preserving socialism.

>That's why so many "anti-revisionist" analyses of "what went wrong" become ridiculous "Stalin/Mao/Hoxha should have had this person shot, or maybe this person, or maybe these persons."

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Find me a more wholesome leftist image. Hint: that is not a thing, a thing which is actually possible to accomplish given the current availability of leftist wholesome images. this image is the most wholesome leftist image

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Jimmy "Arm the Poor" Dore: "Your government is working against you. This is when you need a revolution! How about getting a little pissed off? It's time to get upset! It's time to actually do something."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QIBhAAZhCI

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Hey, so this html game called POWER just got reset after a whole bumfuck of exploiting. In it you can play as a politician in the US, pass laws, and grab power. I'm from the Green Party which is made up of people from the former Democratic People's Union and it's allies. We are a nonsectarian alliance of leftists and we're looking for more people to piss off the faggots in the LP and Democratic Party who have been conspiring us since before the reset. For instructions on how to start if you're interested come to our discord. We have a lot of fun on there shitting on people from other parties who come in, so feel free to just hang out if you don't want to play. https://discord.gg/qMMFQKM

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Peak liberalism

daily liberalism hate thread. post pictures, videos, etc. that reveals the ugliness of pink/rainbow capitalism and profitable 'social justice.'

"peak liberalism

The critical point at which liberalism becomes equal to its own reductio ad absurdum, leading any rational person to abandon it for truly progressive ideologies."

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What did JK Rowling mean by this

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Society_for_the_Promotion_of_Elfish_Welfare

It is literally a subplot in Harry Potter about Hermione trying to organize "house elfs" (really slave elfs) to give them some rights. She is treated as a joke by her school mates and the elfs themselves are insulted by Hermione trying to help them, as they "seem to enjoy work".

I know its fantasty and its not suppossed to be read as a literal allegory for slavery or the working class. None the less the question remains

=WHAT THE HELL DID J.K ROWLING MEAN BY THIS??=

files unrelated

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IWW Discord Channel

Ayo Wobbly Gang

Let's get connected. Discord server, it's open invite for now.

https://discord.gg/qzAwwf

I'll just post the preamble cause min text requirements

Preamble to the IWW Constitution

The working class and the employing class have nothing in common. There can be no peace so long as hunger and want are found among millions of the working people and the few, who make up the employing class, have all the good things of life.

Between these two classes a struggle must go on until the workers of the world organize as a class, take possession of the means of production, abolish the wage system, and live in harmony with the Earth.

We find that the centering of the management of industries into fewer and fewer hands makes the trade unions unable to cope with the ever growing power of the employing class. The trade unions foster a state of affairs which allows one set of workers to be pitted against another set of workers in the same industry, thereby helping defeat one another in wage wars. Moreover, the trade unions aid the employing class to mislead the workers into the belief that the working class have interests in common with their employers.

These conditions can be changed and the interest of the working class upheld only by an organization formed in such a way that all its members in any one industry, or in all industries if necessary, cease work whenever a strike or lockout is on in any department thereof, thus making an injury to one an injury to all.

Instead of the conservative motto, "A fair day's wage for a fair day's work," we must inscribe on our banner the revolutionary watchword, "Abolition of the wage system."

It is the historic mission of the working class to do away with capitalism. The army of production must be organized, not only for everyday struggle with capitalists, but also to carry on production when capitalism shall have been overthrown. By organizing industrially we are forming the structure of the new society within the shell of the old.

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Why is it that anarchists are so childish? Most of the time they fail to see beyond western made lies , have no knowledge of theory and are just liberal LARPers in general. I have more sympathy for left communists who actually read and learn. Very few anarchists actually know a damn fucking thing about socialism. We should just ban the dumb ones for a few months until they read some basic marxist texts ffs.

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Alt-Right Hate Thread

Someone posted this awesome pic on /pol/.

Share some anti-alt-right memes.

UNRELATED: God damn one hundred and fifty characters just let me post this thread already for christs sake god damn son what the fuck god damn.

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/cybersecurity/

With the incoming repeal of net neutrality and the realization that the 'wild west' era of the internet is coming to an end, sites like 8chan will probably be throttled. In addition to this, the issue of government surveillance, corporate data mining, etc. makes it so we should adopt certain measures of cybersecurity. Here are some easy ones:

1. Search Engine

forget duckduckgo, use https://www.startpage.com, its google but with privacy.

2. Encrypt your email

Either get an encrypted email service, or if you have gmail or something, use Thunderbird as your email client and use the "enigmail" extension to encrypt your emails.

3. Texting/Calling

If you have a phone and do text messaging use Signal by openwhisper systems to text people.

4. Windows vs nix

Please dual boot windows with linux, or switch to linux entirely, and encrypt the linux partition. Use windows for gaming/other things you need it for and confine all online political activity to linux.

5. IM/chat

stop using social media like facebook, if you use twitter dont use your real name or photo to get doxxed.

6. Browsing

Use a javascript blocking plugin and only allow the bare minimum of blocking scipts

These are some pretty basic options that your should implement in order to have basic web security

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Who did Marx admire?

From Bakunin to Kautsky to his son in law to Lincoln to Bismarck there is a letter of him shitting on every single one of his contemporaries, even when he's taking their side or supporting their cause. Is there anyone who was alive and active in Marx's time, other than Engels, that Marx liked and respected?

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We Have Become Exhausted Slaves in a Culture of Positivity

> 'Yes We Can' sounds like an empowering slogan, indicating our freedom and limitless potential. But this is an illusory freedom because the message enclosed within 'Yes We Can' is 'Yes We Should'. Instead of living in a disciplinary society of the past where our behavior was clearly regulated by societal prohibitions and commandments, we now live in a achievement society in which we voluntarily succumb to the pressure of achieving. The achievement society is no less restrictive than the disciplinary society. We are no longer subject to exogenous prohibitions but we have internalized the mandates of achievement, always striving to do more. We have become slaves to the culture of positivity, subjugated by the imperative 'Yes, We Should'.

— Comment on Byung-chul Han's 2010 essay "The Burnout Society"

Source: https://thenextregeneration.wordpress.com/2016/01/04/we-have-become-exhausted-slaves-in-a-culture-of-positivity/

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Online Organizing General

There's a disturbing amount of reactionary and fascist organizing as of lately, I think it would be in the best interest of leftypol and leftism if we were to organize and counteract the organization of the right. Projects that are of interest are:

* Right wing crime / hate speech collection

* Expand website, platform for hosting news, resources, etc

* Creating and hosting library of PDFs, FAQs, and collecting statistics

We have a solid group that is working on these things right now, and are looking to expand our pool of members and other affiliated leftist groups to collaborate with. We are looking for leftists with various skills, currently some of the most helpful would be those experienced with creating media, programming, writing, and infosec.

There is a general need for the left to increase and expand their web presence, if other groups or individuals would like to help collaborate and help with public projects, email us at infocrisis@protonmail.com

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LeftCom Kitty Thread

The question is no longer if we can escape capitalism but how it will happen, because this society is already collapsing all around us, even if it does so at various speeds in different sectors and regions of the world. A huge portion of humanity has already been designated as “garbage” and is condemned to survive, as best it can, often in rubbish dumps or by recycling refuse. Money, value, labor, and the commodity are being overcome but in the form of a nightmare. Not a great deal of actual work is needed in production, but we are all forced to work in order to live. — Anselm Jappe

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Bitcoin is Accelerationism

>the cryptocurrency's original purpose was for normal people to have a safe non-inflationary currency in financial crises.

I no longer need a job because of this bullrun. What will this do to our current system that requires ~5% unemployment rate for a successful GDP?

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Corbyn quotes Sankara and Allende at the UN

Labour Press Jeremy Corbyn speech at the United Nations’ Geneva headquarters- http://press.labour.org.uk/post/168322341969/jeremy-corbyn-speech-at-the-united-nations-geneva

>One such moment took place on 4 December 1972, when President Salvador Allende of Chile, elected despite huge opposition and US interference, took the rostrum of the UN General Assembly in New York.He called for global action against the threat from transnational corporations, that do not answer to any state, any parliament or any organisation representing the common interest.Nine months later, Allende was killed in General Augusto Pinochet’s coup, which ushered in a brutal 17-year dictatorship and turned Chile into a laboratory of free market fundamentalism.

>But 44 years on, all over the world people are standing up and saying enough to the unchained power of multinational companies to dodge taxes, grab land and resources on the cheap and rip the heart out of workforces and communities.

>It’s worth remembering the words of Thomas Sankara, President of Burkina Faso, delivered to the Organisation of African Unity in 1987 a few months before he too was assassinated in a coup.“The debt cannot be repaid“ he said, “first because if we don’t repay lenders will not die. But if we repay… we are going to die.”

>The growing climate crisis exacerbates the already unparalleled numbers of people escaping conflict and desperation

is he dare i say it, /ourguy/?

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Pierre died

They killed him because he spoke the truth

https://twitter.com/Claire_Voltaire/status/941039804866691072

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I am furious at /leftypol/

I dont care about journalist shills

I dont care about bluepilled normies

What I care about are the majority of leftists behaving like bluepilled shits abandoning logic when you mention something that goes beyond labor leftism

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Economics of revolutionary France

How badly did the government during the French Revolution fuck things up economics-wise, and what things did they do well? Yes, they were in the middle of a gigantic crisis and war, but is that a sufficient enough explanation for the food shortages and problems in almost every city that wasn't Paris? Blockades by other countries aside, my hindsight bias tells me things maybe could have gone a bit better.

What are some good books on the subject?

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What do you guys think of Walter Cronkite? I know that conservatives loathe him because he was an green internationalist who denounced Reagan's foreign policy in Grenada and Libya, and that he made a blunder about Vietnam that apparently cost 100 gorillion deaths. But I'd like to know your opinions.

Also, any people who are /ourjournalists/? I know that there are plenty of obvious ones

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ISO / Red Liberals Rekt

A section of Anti-Racist activists got absolutely trashed by Proud Boys

With what I've seen of the ISO this isn't super surprising. They went into this with the rally organizing strategy that is used in my home town. Basically the idea is peaceful protest, where Marshalls exist to de-escalate conflicts between protesters and police (make sure no one blows their top). This *can* be effective, especially in placating / persuading liberals, but has two requirements.

1. That the counter protesters (if any) will not be violent, and that if they are

2. Police will step in to separate both sides and keep the peace.

But this is not guaranteed, and more and more this is becoming a false assumption.

Which is how you get your ass kicked by a bunch of overweight early 30 somethings waving american flags and shouting Trump.

Now, onto the black block. So, this is a separate strategy, but has also been misused lately. Using the Black Block in a calm area, or when protesting something that won't elicit police response, is a bad idea. It's a defensive (maybe slightly offensive) strategy, and using it without opposition just results in smashing things, looking scary, and bad optics.

We need to start thinking about when and where we need to apply these strategies. LARPing anarchists and soft red liberals both.

https://socialistworker.org/2017/12/12/we-reject-trumps-border-wall

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Probably one of the biggest false-flaggers that this board seems to buy into

seriously though, this 150 characters thing is really annoying

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Rate my Agitprop

Below is a post I made on a forum earlier tonight on a mushroom hunting forum. If you like it, feel free to copy, paste and modify as you see fit. My tendency is De Leonism if you couldn't guess from the reading list.

Post Title: Any other Socialists on this forum?

I haven't seen enough red around these parts. Below I have listed introductory reading if you are interested in socialism. Read these whether you are interested in promoting socialism, or critiquing it.

What is our basic doctrine?

Why Socialism? by Albert Einstein:

https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

That sounds great on paper, but how has it worked in real life?

Economic Development, Political-Economic System, and the Physical Quality of Life by Shirley Cereseto, PhD, and Howard Waitzkin, MD, PhD:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646771/pdf/amjph00269-0055.pdf

But what of the individual?

The Soul of Man Under Socialism by Oscar Wilde:

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/wilde-oscar/soul-man/

But hasn't socialism lead to millions of deaths?

An exploration of China's mortality decline under Mao: A provincial analysis, 1950–80 by Kimberly Singer Babiaraz et al.:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/

But don't you want to take away our guns?

In Defense of Self Defense by Huey P. Newton:

https://genius.com/Huey-p-newton-in-defense-of-self-defense-june-20-1967-annotated

Still here? Awesome! Now its time to read some theory. The order here is not important.

Manufacturing Consent: Political Economy of the Mass Media by Noam Chomsky.

https://focalizalaatencion.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/herman-chomsky-2002-manufacturingconsent.pdf

This is essential for understanding the flow of information in capitalist society.

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins.

http://resistir.info/livros/john_perkins_confessions_of_an_economic_hit_man.pdf

This explains the criminal methods that the US government and international corporations use to meddle in the affairs of foreign states.

Now its time for the big man himself. Start with the first few chapters of Capital: A Critique of Political Economy by Karl Marx.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Capital-Volume-I.pdf

There is no need to read the whole thing right away. Take your time. If it doesn't make sense. Don't worry about it too much. Move on in this list, and come back to it once you have a better grasp of his terminology. Don't listen to anyone who tells you to start with his earlier work or god forbid with the Communist Manifesto.

Most importantly, always look for ways to challenge your ideas. Don't limit your reading to any one political philosophy. Never stop questioning and never stop leaning.

Convinced? Great! Is there a union in your workplace? Join it. If not? Start one! Or better yet, join the IWW. Is there an Anarchist bookstore, Trotskyist newspaper, or Maoist red guard in your town? Check it out! See if they can convince you of their particular interpretation of socialist literature. They didn't convince me, but it is good to have friends of all stripes.

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Small Business Economic Optimism Soars to Near All-Time High

>Not since the roaring Reagan economy has small business optimism been as high as it was in November, according to the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) Index of Small Business Optimism, released Tuesday.

>“We haven’t seen this kind of optimism in 34 years, and we’ve seen it only once in the 44 years that NFIB has been conducting this research,” said NFIB President and CEO Juanita Duggan.

>The NFIB index gained 3.7 points in November, a sharp increase over what was already a near-record performance the previous month. Eight of 10 components posted gains, including a stunning and rare 16-point gain in "Expected Better Business Conditions" and a 13-point jump in "Sales Expectations."

>“This is the second-highest reading in the 44-year history of the Index,” said NFIB Chief Economist Bill Dunkelberg.

>“The NFIB indicators clearly anticipate further upticks in economic growth, perhaps pushing up toward four percent GDP growth for the fourth quarter. This is a dramatically different picture than owners presented during the weak 2009-16 recovery.

https://www.newsmax.com/finance/economy/small-business-optimism-economic/2017/12/12/id/831299/

Wtf does this mean? Is there going to be a boom in opening/expanding small businesses and local endeavors for a while until Trump's neoliberalism on steroids causes it to come tumbling down hardcore or is the Trump Administration actually doing something worth a shit that's going to benefit small business in the long run? Also don't get confused I don't have a succdem small business boner, many of my friends work for the "little guy" and get treated even shittier than if they worked for big corporations a lot of the time, capitalism is capitalism, I just found this extremely interesting and wanted your opinion

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correct me if im wrong

the stock market works always for patient middle and upwards class because it is MEANT to do that.

It was never meant to be difficult to use or to ferment clashes;capitalists are always in cahoots with each other in stocks. one win benefits the other.mcdonald's CEO may invest in burger king and win when he loses.

if you are middle class,patient,and not an idiot,you CAN profit almost effortlessly,with the stock market,but you're fugged by the same market if you're prole.

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All i wanted to be was a demsoc but liberals made me a Stalinist

WTF all i wanted was to have some good minimum wage and some progresive economic policies, but all these liberals only wanted to talk about how austerity is good as long as we do it. Now im a fucking ☭TANKIE☭ becouse of these assholes who only Care about idpol and classcucked pseudo progresive politics.

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This is a De Leonist board now

De Leon is eternal, nothing outside of De Leon.

DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON DE LEON

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Hero thread

Post Heroes ITT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Just a friendly reminder that getchan.net exists and its the best place to go if /leftypol/ is down.

Going 6 years strong so it isn't going down any time soon

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What the FUCK is this shit?

>1991

>Orthodox Jew slams his car into 2 black kids

>Orthodox Jews don't touch non-jews

>Calls a JEWISH ONLY PRIVATE AMBULANCE

>TREATS THE ORTHODOX AND LEAVES THE TWO KIDS JUST LAYING THERE

>OTHER AMBULANCE ARRIVES LATER

>KID DIES

>SET TOWN ON FIRE AND RIOTS

I thought NAZBOL was just a meme, what the FUCK

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How is /leftypol/ celebrating Chanukah?

In these eight days we commemorate our victory over the Greek crackers who attempted to colonize our minds with their white Hellenistic bullshit. So considering all of this, would you say Chanukah is in the spirit of anti-imperialism? (Also take into account Freddy Engels said private property began with the Greeks.)

Chag Sameach!

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>Your thoughts of the GDR?

>Was it socialist?

> Till when?

>Better that the Federal Republic of Germany?

>Was the stasi really so bad?

>What about the wall

What is true and what is propaganda?

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The ubermensh doesn't exis~

I believe I'm far too much of an intellectual lightweight to decipher this, but what is this man trying to say? He may have managed to convince a lot of regular folks because his words do hit some sort of basic truth it seems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOk6HB609po

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how can we save anarchism from the anarchists? I feel like spoiled retarded kids ruining the hottest bike on the bloc which they will never know the value of.

no i won't google bookchin

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Did he deserve it?

He was a pretty big war hawk and a fervent anti-communist. Also he expressed major sympathies for Hitler during World War 2. Yet despite all of this liberals act like he was the second coming of FDR or something.

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Marxist Lexicon

I realized that oftentimes, normies you're trying to convince giving you weird looks and leftist debates devolving into shit-flinging has a lot to do with semantics — words that aren't properly understood or whose meaning differs from person to person. Normies have no idea what socially-necessary labor time is, and self-described socialist certainly don't all define exploitation the same way.

So I thought, why not try and make a comprehensible, accessible Marxist lexicon gathering relevant concepts from the Marxist vocabulary along with their meaning explained in the most clear and straightforward way possible?

Of course SocDems, MLs, LeftComs, anarchists, etc are going to disagree about and debate what, say, "capitalism", "socialism", "value" or "market" really means. But that would also be the point, and we could have several definitions each associated with a certain tendency or outlook for every concept.

Here is a list of concepts which I believe are obviously worth discussing to kickstart the whole thing:

• Materialism

• Dialectics

• Capitalism

• Socialism

• Communism

• Private property

• Means of production

• Mode of production

• Value

• Profit

• Surplus-value

• Commodity

• Fetishism

• Wage labor

• Accumulation

• Alienation

• Abstract labor

• Hegemony

• Spectacle

• State

• Culture industry

• Crisis

• Class

• Proletariat

• Bourgeoisie

• Ideology

• Reification

• Abstract labor

• Exploitation

• Critical theory

• Identity politics

• False consciousness

• Reserve army

• Revolutionary subject

• Faux frais

• Globalization

• Socially-necessary labor time (SNLT)

• Tendency of the rate of profit to fall (TRPF)

• Organic composition of capital (OCC)

And also some more advanced, complex issues because why not:

• Aestheticization of politics

• Aufhebung

• Psychogeography

• Real movement

• Kondratiev wave

Let's go!

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Was one of the reasons for the start of the Syrian Civil War was the mass of youth unemployment and unsustainable population growth? It's mostly an arid country, so it sort of makes sense that such a situation combined with a repressive regime and high commodity prices would lead to unrest.

Can you be a Marxist and still adhere to Malthusian terms when analyzing materialist conditions on the ground?

The Syrian refugee family in my apartment building (I live in Germany) has seven kids (just anecdotal evidence) and the wife never works.

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WH*TOIDS ETERNALLY BTFO

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/364582-tillerson-us-ready-for-talks-with-north-korea-without-precondition

Now if only the rest of the third world would realize the only thing you need to do to be considered human is to build nukes.

Anyone who opposed DPRK's weapons program needs to KTS ASAP.

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Nepal will elect a communist government

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/nepal-election-leftist-alliance-set-victory-171209140839786.html

It looks like the only proletarian revolution in the 21st century is in the process of stabilizing itself. There have been over 10 government changes in the recent years, with the country being under provisional government so far. This is the first real election.

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BavarianSR

What do we all think of the Bavarian soviet republic, I know that they had a milk shortage in the short time the communist party took power. Does anyone know if they were truly democratic I can't find much good information on them.

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What precapitalist societies were the closest to communism or socialism?

I'd argue that the Inca Empire was. They had a central planning economy where the public owned everything. No currency existed either.

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I was reading Mandel's introduction to Marxist economics and I have a question on the neo/late-capitalism section, in particular on the role of military spending being one of the causes of the tendency to permanent inflation.

I think I understand why military spending produces inflation in the long run: the wages paid to the armaments industry are not fully absorbed by the market because the industrial production they participate in does not reach the market directly (or at all).

What I don't understand is what Mandel means with this issue not presenting itself if the budget was covered entirely by taxes. Is it because the state is forced to take loans to cover costs? Which in turn increases the amount of currency in circulation, deflating its value?

Pic of relevant passage.

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why do you support kurdish movement ? it is obvious that american imperialists are behind it

biji wiji kurdistan is probably the only thing that commies and neocons get along

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What's the furthest to the right your country has been?

A couple of weeks ago, I made a "what's the furthest to the left" your country has been. Now, let's do the opposite: in the entire history of your nation, how far to the right has it been. For me, the answer is pretty obvious, with the murderous Pinoshit scumbag. So, how about you guys?

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How do I know that someone who's working for 8-12 hours at a "normal" wage, say the minimum wage in their state, is being exploited? How can I tell when exploitation happens? I get that wage theft happens, and I have an intuition that tells me that some people should be paid more, but exploitation encompasses more than wage theft, and my intuition is more just based in a liberal idea of fairness.

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Which country has the worst politics

Here in Burgerland, we have a doomsday cult as a significant political faction.

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/martial/

I'm looking into martial arts & fitness from a left wing perspective. If anyone has sources on boxing or wrestling and kickboxing training for example, that would be awesome. Every leftie should know some hand to hand combats

side note: part of the reason I want to get into boxing is because i sprained my ass running a couple weeks ago and it wont go away even taking it easy. Like my upper ass muscle and hip/thigh hurts now. I think I'm just going to have to give up running since it isn't going away. I'm just gonna punch a heavy bag for cardio

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Daily News Thread 12/12

Turkey chides Arabs for 'weak' reaction ahead of Jerusalem summit

Turkey criticized what it said was a feeble Arab reaction to the U.S. decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, saying on the eve of Wednesday’s Muslim summit in Istanbul that some Arab countries were scared of angering Washington.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-israel-trump-oic/turkey-chides-arabs-for-weak-reaction-ahead-of-jerusalem-summit-idUSKBN1E61K2

China annoyed as US, Japan and South Korea kick off trilateral missile-tracking exercise

"The situation is in a vicious cycle of provocation and confrontation. This is not conducive to regional peace and stability," Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/china-annoyed-us-japan-south-korea-kick-off-trilateral-missile-tracking-exercise-1650987

EU governments complicit in migrant torture in Libya, says Amnesty

European governments are knowingly complicit in the torture and abuse of refugees and migrants in Libya, Amnesty International has alleged.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42318508

Austria gas plant burns after deadly explosion

A big blast has rocked a major natural gas hub in Austria, killing one person and injuring at least 18, police say.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42321217

France's National Front party charged over EU 'fake jobs'

France's far-right National Front (FN) has been charged with giving party members suspected fake jobs as assistants at the European Parliament, the party has confirmed.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42329911

Billionaire Branson branded ‘a grasping capitalist’ for suing cash-strapped NHS

Anger is mounting in the UK against billionaire Richard Branson, who successfully sued the cash-starved National Health Service (NHS) for £328,000 of taxpayer money. Almost 70,000 people have signed a petition calling for him to return the funds.

https://www.rt.com/uk/412835-branson-nhs-petition-sue/

UK inflation surges to highest level in over five-and-a-half years

Inflation in Britain climbed to the highest level in over five in and a half years in November, remaining above the Bank of England's 2% target for the ninth consecutive month, after breaking through the threshold for the first time in three years in March.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-inflation-surges-highest-level-over-five-half-years-1651040

Trump Says He’ll End U.S. Visa Lottery and ‘Chain Migration’

President Donald Trump said he’ll end U.S. immigration programs that give preferences to the families of new residents and that allow people to enter a lottery for visas, policies the White House blames for a bombing in New York on Monday.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-12/trump-says-he-ll-end-u-s-visa-lottery-and-chain-migration

Officials deny permits for commemorating violent Charlottesville rally

The city of Charlottesville has denied permits for white nationalist and left-wing groups seeking to commemorate the Unite the Right rally in which white nationalists faced off with counter-protesters before a fatal vehicle attack.

https://www.rt.com/usa/412895-charlottesville-rally-permit-denied/

Ryanair pilots to strike before Christmas

Ryanair passengers face disruption to their Christmas travel plans after pilots and crew announced industrial action in a bid to win union recognition and better conditions.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42320733

Tourists are slowly killing inhabitants of Japan's Rabbit Island

A Japanese island infested with countless rabbits has become a tourist hotspot, much to the detriment of the local inhabitants.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tourists-are-slowly-killing-inhabitants-japans-rabbit-island-1651199

Spain decides whether dogs are living beings or objects

In Spain, pets are still considered "movable property", on the same level as a car, book shelf and so on. It means they are considered as objects rather than living beings capable of emotion.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/spain-decides-whether-dogs-are-living-beings-objects-1651177

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What is it like being a consumerist?

Were/Are you a consumerist? Brand-addict? Do you know people like that?

I have this mental image that we live in a consumer society, ads running everywhere, people buying based on brands, etc. First I wonder why people don't realise or care about this, but then I ask myself if I'm a significant part of that unwittingly.

I've see friends wearing brand clothes (pic related), discussing phones, being hyped about the opening of a Green Eat nearby.

But I don't like or try to avoid McDonalds, Nike, popular music, etc. Not on an ideological level, I just feel rejection towards brands people like a lot. Maybe it's autism.

I have my same seven years old computer, rarely play vidya (I bought or donated to some random indie games to help the creators).

I wear plain clothes. I would feel very stupid wearing a Vans logo, being a walking ad. I have no virtue-signalling decorations on my home.

I go out of my way to remove any kind of branding and logo from my stuff. I just inked my new mousepad's brand

When I think about it, the only "hedonic" things I really like is consuming (healthy) food and media. I like eating varied fruits and vegetables, cooking, making those retardedly complicated vegan recipes, etc, and listening to a lot of music (I try to pay to small artists, and only them) and watch series constantly complaining wherever there's propaganda. If I couldn't pirate series I wouldn't know what to do, actually, maybe I'd unironically pay Netflix. And only because I like discussing media and news on the internet.

tl;dr: I'm a boring fuck by today's standards

Am I alone on this?

How do the average normalfag live? Are people really consumerist or is it just a cartoonish view?

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Doug Jones wins Alabama seat

Seems like republicans are slowly losing power. Not that it matters too much cause the guy replacing him is a fucking liberal. I'm just laffin cause aut-rightists are supremely butthurt.

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/153057801

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what made you a lefty

i was born and raised in middle east and was part of bourgeois

like all other middle easterners i went to capitalist utopia europe and united states and there i saw soyboys with fucked up hormones,people in their 40s acting like middle school kids, police shooting and killing people,additives in everything and it is impossible to get anything natural, male beard growth is almost completely stopped and parasitic capitalists(jews) ruling over everything

then i realized this richness isn't worth it i rather be poor but not have this pigshit

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Soviet Union in the 21st century

What would the world look like if the Soviet Union was still around today? What would the Soviet Union look like?

I would hope that somehow they could've gotten out of the stagnation they'd been seeing and been able to utilize the rapid advances in technology they just barely missed out on. I can't help but think in any event, that if it was around, the world would be lessed fucked up because at the very least it was a check on US power and it offered an alternative to the world.

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Immortality - should we strive for it?

And if so, how should we achieve it? By merging with machine, or something like stem cells? Should everyone get it? How would immortality affect society?

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What did Bordiga say that Marx and Engels didn't?

Did he have any theoretical contributions beyond pushing back against Stalinist & Trot revisionism?

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People's republic of Bulgaria

What do you know/think about it? I rarely see eastern bloc countries which aren't east germany or the USSR discussed here.

I recently found out my mother had gone there in 1982 (yes, not 1992) and she said most people there looked depressed and the food was bad. She did say there was no poverty though.

Now this is just anecdotal (my mother has no more authority than people who have actually lived there) so I'd like to actually know more about it.

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what does /leftypol/ think of him?

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Israel representation in Congress?

Several members of Congress hold dual citizenship with Israel. Do they get to vote on the Billions of dollars the United States gives their other homeland? Does this present a conflict of interest? Should they even be allowed to serve in the Federal Government?

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Paris Climate Deal Could Lead to Meat Taxes

In an effort to curb greenhouse gas emissions caused by cow flatulence, and to meet Paris Climate Accords emissions requirements, several countries are exploring "meat taxes."

https://www.trunews.com/article/paris-climate-deal-could-lead-to-meat-taxes

Activists pushing the Paris Climate Accords and the “climate change” narrative firmly believe cow flatulence is a leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions in the world, and they want to do something to stop it. According to the United Nations Food & Agriculture Organization, which is supposed to be focused on leading the international effort to combat famine and hunger, the smelly emissions of cattle account for nearly 15 percent of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions. The London-based Farm Animal Investment Risk & Return Initiative states it will only get worse as meat consumption is projected to increase by nearly 75 percent by 2050—causing “$1.6 trillion in health and environmental costs for the global economy.” Enter “meat taxes.” Bloomberg reports:

>Some investors are betting governments around the world will find a way to start taxing meat production as they aim to improve public health and hit emissions targets set in the Paris Climate Agreement. Socially focused investors are starting to push companies to diversify into plant protein, or even suggest livestock producers use a “shadow price” of meat – similar to an internal carbon price – to estimate future costs. Meat could encounter the same fate as tobacco, carbon and sugar, which are currently taxed in 180, 60, and 25 jurisdictions around the world, respectively, according to a report Monday from investor group the FAIRR Initiative. Lawmakers in Denmark, Germany, China and Sweden have discussed creating livestock-related taxes in the past two years, though the idea has encountered strong resistance.

Researchers at a number of universities around the world, including in the U.S., are working to develop far less political means of addressing the gas emissions.

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Proletarian Kitchen

What should be counted as socialist cuisine, or the cuisine of a future socialist society? Since socialists must tackle the superstructure as well as the base, and since eating habits and the types of food we consume most certainly have their own political element to them, we ought to brainstorm about how this vital aspect of human existence should be done under a new, revolutionary mode of production.

Also, food general. Post pics of what /leftypol/ comrades eat/cook. Bonus for recipes.

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social worker career

is this career lefty ?I mean i dont care, actually I want to know whats it like,going to factories and ghettos so on.

i came here to request,

I am indeed considering joining up for this career;can want to ask,whats it like to deal with the poor,with the working classes and whar are their primary needs and aspirations.

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Posters

Comrades! I need some leftist posters to adorn my white af walls.

Like me high res images that i can blow up at a print shop

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Kamrater, de senaste veckorna har det pågått diskussioner mellan oss svenskar. Det nuvarande politiska klimatet för vänstern är kluven. Högern och socialdemokraterna blir allt mer och mer populistisk för varje dag som går och vänsterpartiet har glömt bort vad vänsterpolitik står för.

Det är ingen hemlighet att vänsterpolitik idag är sammankopplat med identitetspolitik. Öppna gränser, manshat, skitkastning mot svenskar. Det är den bild som den gemene människan i Sverige föreställer sig så fort man nämner ordet "vänstern"

Kamrater, något måste göras om vänsterpolitiken ska överleva i detta klimat. De alternativ för vänstern som finns för oss är dock få och splittrade. Som bäst finner vi partier som endast lajvar 70-tals kommunism och hyllar Lenin, Stalin och soviet som religiösa fundamentalister. Som värst finner vi brustna skaror av antifascism och anarkism vars enda motiv är att kasta sten på polis och medmänniskor.

Kamrater, detta är inte hållbart. Detta togs upp i den aktiva sverigetråden som befinner sig hör på leftypol och ett förslag togs fram.

Bildandet av en ny rörelse och ett nytt parti som välkomnar alla som är trötta på järngreppet idpol och lajv har på vänsterpolitik.

Syftet är att alla som följer Marx undervisningar och socialism ska samarbeta under ett namn. Där oberoende på om du är Marxist, Leninist, Syndikalist, Anarkist, osv så ska ingen diskrimineras eller utfrysas ur rörelsen. Bokstavsvänstern är ett begrepp som alt för sant beskriver vårt politiska klimat här på vänsterkanten. Detta måste få ett slut. Vi kan aldrig hoppas om att lyckas om vi är såpass splittrade att vi inte ens kan jobba tillsammans.

Kamrater, vår gemensamma fiende är kapitalismen, inte varandra. Vi är alla passionerade inför politiken och det är något att värna om. Men så länge vi är splittrade så kommer vi aldrig lyckas.

Detta är varför en gemensam rörelse är så viktig. Vi är flera tiotusentals på den absoluta kanten över hela Sverige. Men våra röster når inte riksdagen eller media för vi inte sjunger tillsammans. Det är dags för förändring.

Tidigare diskussion har framfört några principer vi kan utveckla och forma rörelsen och potentiellt partiet efter.

>avstånd från idpol

>avstånd från klassiska kommunistiska bilder

>framställandet av en arbetaridentitet som talar till svenska arbetare

>modern syn på socialism och kommunism

Om vi ska hoppas att göra kampen mot kapitalismen seriös så måste vi vinna arbetarnas hjärtan. Just nu har SD ett järngrepp om dem endast för de inte finner alternativ i resterande partier. Det är omöjligt att föra vår kamp om vi endast lajvar, kastar sten och associeras med idpol. Det är dags för organisation.

Mitt förslag är att vi börjar i Göteborg. Göteborg är Sveirges rödaste stad med kamrater från ändlösa organisationer. Kommunistiska partiets huvudkontor befinner sig där, samt syndikalistiska, anarkistiska och övriga socialistiska rörelser.

Jag har möjlighet att anordna ett mötesrum i Göteborg där vi kan diskutera om denna rörelse är möjlig. Ett samarbete bland alla de röda ideologierna som motsätter sig kapitalism och är kritiska mot identitetspolitik och överdriven hyllning till historien.

Så vad sägs kamrater?

Ska vi ge detta en chans?

Discord:

https://discord.gg/8R4XrXR

Förra tråden:

>>2240533

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An issue with liberals

<The Jerusalem decision is a distraction… FROM RUSSIA

This was straight out of Trump's campaign promise for his AIPAC benefactors. I think I unironically heard this "x is a diversion from the main thing that matters and is controlling this" applied to the debacles over healthcare repeal, trickle-down, war-mongering, militarization, things that Bush/Reagan did but now accelerated, etc.

But let's suppose that perhaps in Trump's or his advisors' minds that it partially is a "distraction" from the scandals. So.. what? What is the liberal's answer, besides contributing to the grain of this sorry state of affairs with his nationalist, "bipartisan" phrase-mongering?

Astroturf and the media's non-stop coverage of every detail in the Russia investigation has conditioned most liberals into having a brain-dead fervor session to which they must un-critically (and this would be much different if it was critical) relate the elite-relevant drama of the inter-bourgeois conflict and relations between the American and Russian states to practically everything else in a grossly liberal way.

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Capitalism & Meritocracy

"Capitalism is a meritocratic system; it rewards hard work. The rich deserve their status and you only have yourself to blame for not being one of them."

How can this meme-tier argument be so widespread and popular when no more than a cursory glance at social reality immediately, unambiguously disproves it empirically?

A miner from South Africa or a textile worker from Bangladesh works hard. Much harder, in fact, than any first-world manager — and yet the latter's pay also happens to be much higher.

How can anyone believe the nonsense that capitalism supposedly fully compensates you for your labor? I'm at a point where I tend to respect overt social-Darwinists more than "ethical capitalism" apologists for at least being honest with themselves and others.

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Jacobin

I am against Jacobin for being too to the left, while it seems Democratic Cops of America's opposition stems from the tumblr left.

It seems like identity politics has a grip on Democratic Cops of America.

https://twitter.com/Besecgan/status/938183410585096197

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I know about the falling rate of profit, and i know that during the 19th century this was the widely observed phenomenon, however i do feel uncomfortable using century old sources to justify any kind of scientific conclusion about this, so my question is, now that we have more complex economical models, and data from another century, does the marx hypothesis still stand truth, or is it one of those 19th century memes like the Aether?, also where can i read modern leftist economical theory, is there any modern modifications to capital in order to addapt it to new paradigms

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/religion/

How many of you are religious? How does your religion effect your political ideology? Are they linked to each other or do you keep them separate? How important is your religion to your daily life? Should other comrades look into your religion?

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What's your verdict on alcohol leftypol? Does it have a place in communist society?

I just realized how much the Soviet Union spent on anti-alcohol campaigns. And Russians are STILL rampant alcoholics despite all.

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Catalonia

Can somebody redpill me on the situation of modern day catalonia independence? I hear lots of liberals talking about it but am woefully under-read about it and haven't been paying attention at all

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Millennials hate Capitalism and it is growing

https://www.alternet.org/economy/millennials-and-capitalism-just-dont-mix

http://archive.is/7ICNv#selection-1935.0-1935.60

>“19% of Americans aged 18 to 29 identified themselves as capitalists; only 42% claimed they support the economic system.”

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/pol/ is having a meltdown

thedonald posters and white supremacists are at each others throats over Trump "recognizing" the capital of Israel as Jerusalem. I know this isn't /leftypol/ related but damn it if its wrong to revel in /pol/'s meltdown I don't want to be right.

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I'm not a leftist in any way, but I will give you this /leftypol/. At least this board actually has a wide diversity of opinion, and doesn't base itself around a personality cult, unlike a certain other board. If this board was as delusional as /8pol/, any suggestion that Corbyn or Sanders wasn't the second coming of Marx would result in a ban. Heck, you're even more willing to listen to rightists than /8pol/ is willing to listen to anyone outside their narrow Trump supporting neo-nazi bubble (and they're too stupid to notice the cognitive dissonance). Honestly, I'd rather visit /leftypol/ over /8pol/ any day.

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Tfw bluepilled parents

Anyone know this feel?

The feel that you are smarter than them even though they lived 40+ more years than you.

They are too stupid to be redpilled, and no, im not talking about aut-right bs, but being anti-consumer.

My mom cant connect the dots nor does she seem to care to

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Daily News Thread 12/11

New York Port Authority attack: Man held after Manhattan blast

A man is being held after an attempted terror attack at New York City's main bus terminal.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42312293

Times Square Subway Bomber Tells Police He's a Follower of Islamic State

A Brooklyn man wearing a pipe bomb attached with Velcro and zip ties set off an explosive in the Times Square subway station Monday morning, injuring himself and three others, sending ambulances racing and commuters fleeing as Christmas shoppers poured into New York City.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-11/blast-in-times-square-subway-triggers-tumult-in-new-york-city

UN poverty official touring Alabama's Black Belt: 'I haven't seen this' in the First World

A United Nations official who tours the globe investigating extreme poverty said Thursday that areas of Alabama's Black Belt are suffering the most dire sewage disposal crisis of any place he has visited in a developed country.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/12/un_poverty_official_touring_al.html

Transgender People Can Enlist in Military Jan. 1, Pentagon Says

The Pentagon is allowing transgender people to enlist in the military beginning Jan. 1, despite President Donald Trump's opposition.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-11/urgent-apnewsbreak-transgender-people-can-enlist-in-military-jan-1

EU's Federica Mogherini rebuffs Netanyahu on Jerusalem

The EU's foreign policy chief says there is "full EU unity" in support of Jerusalem becoming the capital of both Israel and a future Palestinian state.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42313727

Hezbollah chief says fight for Jerusalem is now top priority

Lebanese Hezbollah will work with its allies to create a strategy “in the field” to confront Israel, the group’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, said, calling again for a third Palestinian intifada (uprising), during a rally in Beirut on Monday.

https://www.rt.com/news/412757-nasrallah-palestine-israel-hezbollah/

How Steve Bannon Rescued Roy Moore’s Campaign Against All Odds

Polls show most Republicans now don’t believe Moore’s accusers.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-11/how-steve-bannon-rescued-roy-moore-s-campaign-against-all-odds

Trump Super PAC Gets 12-Year-Old Girl To Interview Roy Moore

Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore recently sat down for an interview with a 12-year-old girl in a meeting arranged by a pro-Trump political action committee.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/12/roy_moore_sits_down_for_interv.html

Syria service for British fighters Jac Holmes and Oliver Hall

A military ceremony has been held in Syria for two Britons killed with the Kurdish-led armed group the over a dozen US military bases in Syria.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42311578

Nearly half of Americans still oppose Republican tax bill: Reuters/Ipsos poll

As Republicans in the U.S. Congress rush to finish their tax plan, the legislation is not getting more popular with the public, with nearly half of Americans still opposed to it, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tax-poll/nearly-half-of-americans-still-oppose-republican-tax-bill-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN1E52HZ

Monsanto offers cash to U.S. farmers who use controversial chemical

Monsanto Co will give cash back to U.S. farmers who buy a weed killer that has been linked to widespread crop damage, offering an incentive to apply its product even as regulators in several U.S. states weigh restrictions on its use.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pesticides-monsanto/monsanto-offers-cash-to-u-s-farmers-who-use-controversial-chemical-idUSKBN1E50EN

Bulgaria discovers it has enough bitcoins to pay off fifth of its debt

Hundreds of thousands of bitcoins have been seized in an anti-corruption operation in Bulgaria, reports Zerohedge. They are currently worth $3.6 billion, which is enough to pay off a fifth of the country's national debt of $16.5 billion.

https://www.rt.com/business/412700-bulgaria-shocked-bitcoin-piles/

College Presidents Making $1 Million Rise With Tuition and Student Debt

A seven-figure salary to run a nonprofit college? You know what they say: Pro Humanitate.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-11/college-president-salaries-rise-9-and-1-million-paydays-double

Hundreds of HP laptop models found to have hidden keylogging software

A security researcher has revealed that some HP laptops have hidden software which can log everything typed on its keypads. More than 460 models have been affected, dating back to 2012, according to the list released by HP.

https://www.rt.com/news/412778-hp-laptop-keylogger-code/

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Where is the best place to find a Jewish girl to marry? Any single Jewish girls here? Any advice to finding one IRL or Online is fine. Obviously over 18 and under 30 is best.

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Fuck you, Bush

Fuck you, Bush.

It's time to get out of Iraq, Bush.

What were you even doing there in the first place, Bush?

You didn't even get properly elected, Bush.

Are you happy now, Bush?

Fuck you, Bush.

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Welfare state

What's the facts with the welfare state? Is there any truth to the Rightist arguments that it actually contributes to poverty, destruction of black families, single motherhood, etc.? Why does it exist in the first place, how do the bourgeoisie gain from people having an alternative to work or starve and a standard baseline of living that a job will at least have to provide, paid with by their own money? Does it exist entirely to maintain a reserve army of labor to drive wages down and to keep the proles from becoming militant when they're starving because of unemployment, or is it because politicians use it to buy votes? Is it true US blacks and other poor people have a welfare culture where they'll live off of welfare instead of getting a job, or where mothers will intentionally have more kids in order to get more welfare, i.e. the idea of welfare queens?

Mods, this is a genuine thread, don't bumplock it because I used a meme-image when I couldn't think of anything else.

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Moishe Postone "Marx in the Age of Trump"

John Cleese Impersonator Destroys SocDems, MarkSocs, ☭TANKIE☭s and Idpolers With One Weird Dialectical Speech

> You can have capitalism without the bourgeoisie, but you can't have capitalism without the proletariat.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJIaze-C2Qs

(This actually doesn't have much to do with Trump)

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Pan-European Socialism

Anyone else getting the feeling that we cannot get anywhere because the average genetic behavioural traits of none whites/progressive stacklets is holding us back?

Can we divert the coming white identity movement into one of ideas rather than fascism?

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"Muh Christian universalism"

How many of the Christians on this board (or people professing to be Christian) actually practice Christianity (i.e. pray, go to church, fast during Lent) vs. how many just "like the *idea* of Christianity" and are entirely atheist in everyday life? Has anyone studied the Church Fathers and all of the early Christian debates around the nature of Jesus, the Trinity, etc., or is this board's knowledge of Xtianity mainly limited to Kierkegård, Badiou, and Zizek?

This isn't a "gotcha!"; I'm genuinely curious. Pic related is of the oldest sect of Xtian orthodoxy.

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Immigration/racepill thread

How do we as a board change people's views on immigration and racemixing? How do we show them the truth - that there is one race, the human race, and that all ethnicities should mix until there are no large differences in basic appearance/hair/eye colors?

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Veganism

Does boycotting the meat, dairy and egg industries have any effect? I've seen arguments for both sides. Some say it doesn't have an effect because these industries are government subsidized but opponents say it does affect the industry - why else would these companies put so much into opposition research on vegan groups, funding studies, etc. Before everybody posts there's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism, that's like an appeal to futility fallacy or something so don't.

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Should woman be redistributed?

Hyper gamy that modern capitalist society seem to push seem to have a negative psychological impact in what young males and females should expect in a society.

>Pic very related

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Is there any point in fighting for socialism with the inevitability of climate catastrophe looming over us? Even if we somehow manage to abolish capitalism and emancipate humanity, it's very unlikely that climate change can still be handled and when society inevitably collapses, the libertarians will blame it on socialism.

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Journal of theoretical Dialectics-Physics-Mathematics

Behold: the ultimate manifestation of Hegelian-Marxist brainfapping.

http://dialectical-physics.org/b01en.htm

>The Universe is a dialectically contradictory complicated system-set with an infinite series of mutually intersecting material-ideal levels of matter-space-time. The Life and Reason on the Earth is manifestation of one of its material-ideal levels with its history, some of which occur on the Earth. The Earth's history of Reason (language, consciousness, thinking) is the history of Humans-Universe (H-U) and humans-humans (H-H) relations, and in the space of these relations, sciences are being developed. Sciences form a system of knowledge, which continuously develops and evolves. Occasionally, evolution is changed by discrete of revolutionary development and in these periods the previous knowledge is reviewed. Continuity and discreteness are a characteristic feature of any process in nature and sciences are not an exception.

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Why do I seem to smell a whiff of anti-civilizationism in the air in the nearabouts of anarchists? It so pervades my thought that splitting up the productive powers of the world what anarchists want, something that befuddles me when trying to comprehend the heart of their theory. Is that not an undialectical outlook of what productive powers in the future will be? Or am I simply being a brainlet? Picture unrelated

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Where can I learn more about the Khmer Rouge's ideology? Does Pol Pot have writings? Are there any good summaries? I've heard he's like an anprim except authoritarian, but I'm not sure if it's true. Either way, I want to learn more.

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Black people rant

They are or should be class conscious yet they’re one of the most bluepilled consumers in the US

>muh nike

>muh cheetos

>muh walmart

>muh shitty itunes

>muh social media

>muh bitches

Literally the stereotype of tv-binging consumers

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The role of entertainment in capitalism

I'll just be going off of my own life experiences so this post isn't very scientific at all. But if anyone wants to add some relevant articles to this, please do so because I am very interested in this topic. With the rise of the television, internet, social media, and videogames it seems as though time brings forth more ways for the working class to be absorbed in fantasyland and forget their class anger. Videogames especially scare me because they provide such an immersive experience that it is often better than real life for many folks. I know this deeply cause I used to be addicted to RPG gaming and had to throw away all of my games to break the addiction. I also notice pretty much everyone on their phones absorbed in phone apps and games, basically oblivious to the world around them and oblivious to how their material conditions are slowly deteriorating.

What bugs me the most is that the enertainment industry seems to be designed to keep people obedient and each year with new technologies it becomes more and more engaging and enjoyable. Wouldn't virtual worlds that get more immersive as time goes on quell any sort of revolutionary movement? Why would people want to overthrow capitalism when video games and media offers a much more comfortable and enjoyable existence without need for struggle? Is this something to be concerned about and what can leftists do to combat this threat?

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Is it the most overrated socialist state? Did almost nothing during the Cold War to help socialist movements around the world, aside from some aid sent to Angola during the 1970s and dissolved into bloody chaos. If not, who has that honor?

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/ANCAPCIA/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hOky9LFO6o

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/04/trump-white-house-weighing-plans-for-private-spies-to-counter-deep-state-enemies/

>THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION is considering a set of proposals developed by Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a retired CIA officer — with assistance from Oliver North, a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal — to provide CIA Director Mike Pompeo and the White House with a global, private spy network that would circumvent official U.S. intelligence agencies, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials and others familiar with the proposals. The sources say the plans have been pitched to the White House as a means of countering “deep state” enemies in the intelligence community seeking to undermine Donald Trump’s presidency.

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Name a better written /leftypol/ book..

.. and that will be my next read

For those of you not familiar with Serge: Read him. The man was a fantastic writer

Also, general book discussion/recommendation thread (yes, I've seen the sticky, but I'm looking for the best prose here, not necessarily the most important works)

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Being a dick on the internet.

I think one of the main reasons that the alt-right impresses so many autists on the web, is that they're very good at playing the internet tough-guy. Not that Leftists can't be very hostile, we can. When we are, however, we still seem to land on the receiving end. This is especially true in communities outside of /leftypol/, but it applies even here.

Usually, we still talk at the person were responding to, maintaining a certain minimum of good faith. The alt-right doesn't do this, they are primarily talking to the audience.

Why does this have to be the case? There's nothing necessarily fascist about being a dick. Marx was a huge dick, it was his whole thing. He was basically an internet shitflinger avant la lettre. Can't we be more like him?

I've been doing it on a bunch of places. /pol/, Reddit, Youtube comment sections, stuff like that. It's great fun. These days Neo-Nazis are at least as sensitive as Tumblr snowflakes.

I have a sense that right-wing meme magic is dwindling, we can take it over. It'll be easy.

A series of videos on alt-right tactics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xGawJIseNY&list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ

It's made a by a naive AF liberal, but there are some interesting insights there.

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>"In Germany, Marx and Engels, working on the basis of the radical Hegelian dialectic, arrived at a doctrine very similar to Blanquism… In this fashion, they arrived, despite their more thorough philosophical training, at the same political position as the Babouvist secret leaguers. Partial revolution is Utopian, only the proletarian revolution is still possible, argued Marx in the Deutsch-französische Jahrbücher (see the essay, ‘Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Law’). This position led directly to Blanquism."

What did he mean by this?

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Questions for "Real" Socialists.

Can you define to me what "Human" means?

In your ideal state system, what rights do humans have?

What rights do non-human animals have?

OP MUST BE 150 CHARACTERS LONG.

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/bunker/

I know bunkers are a meme but what does leftypol think of making a fallout shelter/bunker underground? For leftist purposes. Do you need to have construction skills? What about air filtration, electrical, plus IT/computer stuff? Is it possible to have an underground gun range?

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Hello, Tovarisches. I'm obsessed with the USSR right now, here are some innocuous questions that I can't find any answers to.

How did the USSR treat:

>Gambling

>Law enforcement

>Taxes

>Social welfare

and;

>What was the most corrupt SSR?

Reading materials appreciated.

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This thought just popped into my head since most of us have the same general consensus regarding white nationalism;

Do we treat black nationalism, arab, latin, etc. the same way? This is in the context that they are advocating for racial seperatism, ethnostate, supremacy, and are attempting to gain governmental power for their racial group above others.

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How to avoid Stalinism?

What led to the Soviet Union permanently becoming undemocratic?

What could Lenin have done differently to avod an undemocratic Stalinist dictatorship?

Dankon,

kamaradoj

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Any CounterArguments to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtfwY4GLwIg&feature=youtu.be

My first youtube video is right here and I'd really appreciate any and all support or attention given to it. Tell me what I did wrong, tell me how to improve, tell me if you think I'm cut out for this or what - honestly, open book :D

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would you rather have an iPhone X or an AK-47, 1000 rounds and the communist manifesto? or if you'd prefer, a Glock, 100 rounds and a pretty good Android phone, for the not-so-leftist ones of you

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What are your thoughts on the transformation problem? Are you with Kliman and the TSSI or Mosely and the SSSI or perhaps with Shaikh or Cockshott? I personally think the TSSI is the best as it preserves all 3 equalities and has a defence against Okishio's theroum

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Daily News Thread 12/7

Trump Jerusalem move sparks Israeli-Palestinian clashes

At least 31 Palestinians have been wounded in clashes in the Gaza Strip and across the occupied West Bank, during protests against US President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42265337

Hamas Leader Tells Followers to ‘Ignite New Intifada’

Following a wave of protests in response to the U.S. recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, Hamas has called on an intifada to combat the “Zionist policy.”

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Hamas-Leader-Tells-Followers-to-Ignite-New-Intifada-20171207-0006.html

Hezbollah’s Nasrallah backs call for new Palestinian intifada

Lebanese Hezbollah has backed calls by the Palestinian armed group Hamas to launch a new uprising against Israel in response to the US recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state, Hassan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader, said in a televised address.

https://www.rt.com/news/412345-hezbollah-intifada-jerusalem-palestine/

Australian parliament approves same-sex marriage

Same-sex marriage will become legal in Australia after a historic bill was passed in the House of Representatives.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-42260548

Defector says thousands of Islamic State fighters left Raqqa in secret deal

A high-level defector from Kurdish-led forces that captured the Syrian city of Raqqa from Islamic State has recanted his account of the city’s fall, saying thousands of IS fighters - many more than first reported - left under a secret, U.S.-approved deal.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-defector/defector-says-thousands-of-islamic-state-fighters-left-raqqa-in-secret-deal-idUSKBN1E12AP

3 dead in shooting at Aztec, New Mexico high school

Police have confirmed reports of a shooting at Aztec High School in Aztec, New Mexico. All area schools are on lockdown. Three people, believed to be students, have died. The shooter is reportedly in custody.

https://www.rt.com/usa/412335-new-mexico-school-shooting/

Ex-policeman Michael Slager jailed for shooting Walter Scott

A former South Carolina police officer has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for fatally shooting an unarmed African-American motorist.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42259256

Franken to Resign From Senate After Sexual-Misconduct Allegations

Senator Al Franken announced Thursday he’ll resign to end the turmoil over allegations that he groped or tried to forcibly kiss several women after more than half of his Democratic colleagues demanded he step down to make clear that mistreatment of women is unacceptable.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-07/franken-to-quit-senate-amid-turmoil-over-misconduct-allegations

OAS Finally Hints at 'Irregularities' in Honduran Elections Days After Vote

OAS chief Luis Almagro finally released a statement on the Honduran elections.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/OAS-Finally-Hints-at-Irregularities-in-Honduran-Elections-Days-After-Vote-20171207-0011.html

Man has reached his physical peak, says French study

Humans have reached the maximum limit for physical performance, height and lifespan, according to a new scientific review conducted by the Paris Descartes University in France.

https://www.rt.com/news/412327-human-physical-limits-study/

Veterinarians seek permission to research pot meds for pets

People anxious to relieve suffering in their pets are increasingly turning to oils and powders that contain CBDs, a non-psychoactive component of marijuana. But there’s little data on whether they work, or if they have harmful side effects.

https://apnews.com/b452a4566dba4cf5b0dca6f7c254c89d/Veterinarians-seek-permission-to-research-pot-meds-for-pets

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Am I the only one to think that this guy is a scam? His books say the same things all the time, and often don't even talk about what they are supposed to cover. His book about dialectical materialism isn't actually about dialectical materialism. His book about Trotsky isn't actually about Trotsky. Each time it is just a compilation of Žižek's greatest hits.

His lectures are even worse. They are incoherent and extremly repetitive. It's always some bullshit about Habermas, his "good conservative friend" Sloterdijk" and that joke about coffee without cream which makes nobody laugh anymore. I don't get the appeal of the guy, if I want to read Lacan I can read Lacan, if I want to read Hegel I can read Hegel, I don't need his weird eclectic ranting trying to bring them together when he ends up with some horrible hot take anyway. To be completely blasphemcial, I don't even think he understands Marx that well. His writings about the LTV almost feel like a strawman of Marx.

His books are really expensive as well, yet he hasn't said something new or interesting since years now. Literally he only has three good things going for him: 1.) He seems like the type of guy you want to have a beer with, 2.) he BTFOs liberals in mainstream media and 3.) his work about ideology which is somewhat okay-ish.

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Is leftypol the only non-idpol leftist space left?

Other than here, pretty much every leftist space I can think of - online and off - has been infected by idpol. In terms of social media, you have leftbook, left Twitter, left reddit, all idpol-infested. Podcasts like Chapo are basically idpol (haven't heard many episodes but that's my impression). In terms of media, major leftist outlets such as Jacobin, Baffler, Current Affairs are idpol, with at best some tepid resistance to it. Left orgs like Democratic Cops of America, CPUSA, Green Party, ISO, all idpol. Antifa, idpol. Most anarchist circles, also idpol. In the US at least, I don't know about other places.

Are we surrounded? If so, how do we prevent the last non-idpol leftist space from being invaded? And how do we push back against this performative bullshit that is hamstringing the left?

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Would communism involve a return to cottage-style production?

With modern communications and transportation technology, why should the free association of producers require people to work in cramped factories, "organized like soldiers" as Marx would say?

Will communism lead to village economies being re-established, but for a global rather than local benefit?

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Socialist Legal Theory

I've never seen this mentioned here in my short time on this board. I'm no expert, and I don't know about the law in any countries outside of the US, but the legal system here is probably the biggeststronghold of liberalism. It's full of faggots who love procedures and leak precum every time someone says 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧reasonable🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

I imagine in Canada and western Europe it's not a lot better. It seems like this is a huge barrier to socialism. It's clear that socialism would at least be incompatible with US law.

Obviously the more intelligent among you realize that we won't immediately transition to a society where we don't need a legal system. How do you create a "socialist" system of laws? How do you apply it in a country where famous legal figures are known for applying B A S I C E C O N O M I C S to law?

Books on how MLs have structured their legal theory in the past would be cool too.

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Sexual exploitation and feminist biggotry

"If concentration camps were legal, people inside could work in better conditions".

That's how modern liberal feminists, and, sadly, probably most of today's anarchists and other leftie kids, seem to think, when they speak unisono "legalize sex work!".

I don't know how to talk to this people to change their opinions more to Marxist perspective and make them aware of the existence of a class conflict, that what is good for bosses and capital can not be good for employees. Yes, I know it's probably impossible, becasue most of them are 1st world petty bourgeoise with no real class conflict with capitalist system.

But still, it's pretty shitty when they can takeover anarcho-syndicalist canals of communication.

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Why did Stalin have Tukhachevsky executed when he was by far the smartest Soviet general at the time, and the documents against him were a German forgery whipped up by Heydrich?

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Just curious, so what happened to anifa's revolt?

Just wondering and hoping someone can fill me in. I heard people were protesting Trump in Chicago over the Jerusalem thing and I was wondering what happened with antifa that was supposed to do something similar in November. I've been away from the internets for a while so I'd like to get caught up in a general sense.

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Explain Communization

>Let's abolish all of capitalism, the state, and production in one go!

>Abolish all work now!

>People can grow potatoe on their roof!

>If people starve, then just keep trying at it until it works!

Is Communization theory the worst Leftist theory? If not, then why?

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Plz hound Ethan to get someone less retarded than Jordan Peterson on the H3 pod. I vote Zizek.

https://twitter.com/h3h3productions/status/940367603188432896

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Ancom in culture?

Do we have any examples of anarcho-communism existing in fictional society in game, film, book, comic or something?

It's common to see images of anarchist dystopias as chaos but to be honest I never found any presentation of anarchist utopia according to the rules of "ABC Anarchism".

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How to deal with autists?

In socialism society, how do you guys will deal with autistic shuttins like the Sonic fanbase?

All they do is doing some degenerate shit like cumming inside plushies or shitting on it…

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>He doesn't believe in the concept of a state?

You do know a state will always exist as a state is the natural trend of a group of people coming together.

No to forget that a STATE is the only way to apply socialist doctrin.

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Daily reminder that the Great Depression provided the perfect material conditions for the Permanent Revolution, had Trotsky been in power instead of Stalin.

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Infograph General

Post various infographs that could either be used to redpill normies or are just interesting in general.

No /pol/ tier JPEG shitposts. Make sure whatever you're submitting is backed up by and cites sources when necessary.

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Neo-Nazi terror tactics

It's worth revisiting the Cville attack because I've still been keeping up with it and want to share newish information. One thing to keep in mind is that neo-Nazi tactics have long relied on "lone wolf" attackers to carry out attacks under the purview of "legitimate" groups. These "legit" groups can then distance themselves from the "illegitimate" actor, avoiding the legal repercussions and state pressure which have destroyed far-right groups in the past.

I strongly suspect James Fields, the Cville attacker, was acting under orders from his larger network. Many alt-righters not in-the-know however don't believe this, or believe he was working for the feds because none of them professed knowing anything about him. He came out of nowhere and carried out a terror attack. But they're wrong. People in the crowd did know him. And they knew he was up to something.

One of the Daily Stormer guys still has an hour-and-a-half of unedited video from Cville on his YouTube page the "Krypto Report." Fields marched out with him and the rest of the Vanguard bloc. You can see Fields pop up again and again in these videos. But at 38:10 in part two…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIIVu1HdaF4

… a voice says "hold on for a second" and the camera pauses on Fields, who is dead center of frame. Two seconds later a finger points in Fields' direction and the same voice says "pointing at that guy." This was after they had exited the park and were boarding their vehicles to leave.

https://imgur.com/a/DkBgx

Minutes later Fields would drive his car into the crowd, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer and injuring 19 others.

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What are some good books on dialectical and historical materialism? I'm aware of Stalin's pamphlet, but after there where should I go?

In fact, where should I start with philosophy as a whole? Must I read chronologically or what??

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How would he feel knowing that his work would later be used by liberals to maintain and expand the capitalist state? Would he change some of his theories around to be more explicitly communist?

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On Brazil

So i was wondering why Brazil is such a hellhole now, and i realized something. Social Democrats are cancerous. They are capitalist liars who pretend to care about the working class and they must be cleaned from the face of the earth like the filth they are. I read up on the presidents of brazil. It started with Fernando Collor de Mello who privatized many industries and opened brazil to free market practices, got much worse with Fernando Henrique Cardoso who was close friends with bill clinton for fuck's sake who privatized many more industries (who actually took away indigenous reservations forcing them to live with the brazilian mutts), and now it's getting worse as of last year because of their current capitalist president who allowed deforestation of an area of the amazon the size of denmark. The entire time since the corruption scandals started in recent history it was these disgusting social democrats behind it. First they took out the "dictatorship", then they sold their country out to corporate interests, they privatized the mining industry and agrarian reform, and holy shit why is it that nobody talks about the disgusting shit that happened because of neoliberalism in latin american countries this is fucking outrageous.

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What does /leftypol/ think of the Socialist Rifle Association?

https://www.socialistra.org

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Violence will never work.

>isolation, both politically and by the masses

>your enemies gain the moral high ground by only swearing to use violence to protect the peace.

>requires the use of a modern voluntary death cult who are ok with dying "for the cause"(lol, nobody would join it even if they liked socialism)

>forever outnumbered because porky can simply find the money to pay people whereas socialists would need to rely on people who would endanger themselves for "the lower stage of socialism".

Etc. Etc.

Given that we know all of this, is it time to cut the ussr larpers and antifags from our midst for the sake of actually expanding our numbers and being relevant?

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Shadow Brokers NSA leaker caught

The NSA employee likely responsible for the ShadowBrokers leak – and by extension the WannaCrypt NHS hack – has been caught and pleads guilty.

https://leakofnations.com/the-nsa-employee-likely-responsible-for-the-shadowbrokers-leak-and-by-extension-the-wannacrypt-nhs-hack-has-been-caught-and-pleads-guilty-nghia-hoang-pho-tailored-access-operations-nsa/

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Why is this allowed?

Amazon workers working 55-hour weeks and so exhausted by targets they 'fall asleep standing up'

Ambulance crews called after workers collapse at work

>Amazon workers are so exhausted by long hours and relentless targets they are falling asleep on their feet, according to a new investigation. Employees reportedly had timed toilet breaks, a claim denied by the company. Some were made to do compulsory overtime, meaning they were working a 55-hour week ahead of the Christmas period. Pictures taken by an undercover reporter captured workers asleep standing up as they reportedly had to process a parcel every 30 seconds.

>Sunday Mirror reporter Alan Selby spent five weeks working at the online shop's warehouse in Essex and finished his last shift on Black Friday. A number of workers who could not cope with the relentless targets were attended to by ambulance crews after they collapsed on the job, the investigation found. The reporter was told to pack 120 items an hour, although that target is set to rise to 200 items. Workers are paid £8.20 an hour.

>One colleague told him: “Everybody suffers here. I pulled my hamstring but I just had to carry on. My friend spent two days off after she damaged her knee ligaments.” Amazon said in a statement: “Amazon provides a safe and positive workplace with competitive pay and benefits from day one. We are proud to have created thousands of permanent roles in our UK fulfilment centres in recent years.

>“We offer great jobs and a positive environment with opportunities for growth. As with most companies, we expect a certain level of performance. “Targets are based on previous performance achieved by our workers. Associates are evaluated over a long period of time as we know a variety of things could impact the ability to meet expectations in any given day or hour.”

https://archive.fo/1UvTn

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How would /leftypol/ define a nation? At what point does a nation have a right for self-determination? This is how Stalin puts it:

>A nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture.

I think this definition is very good. It doesn't have any ethnic spooks and evolves arround the categories of social life. How would you say does a nation exercise its right to self-determination? Is autonomy provided in a confederation enough, or is a nation state required?

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Study: the wealth of the super rich elites originates in ancient farming

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/dec/10/super-rich-elites-inequality-origins-ancient-farming-mckie-anthropology-society

>The world’s wealthy elite has its origins in the first landowners to use oxen and horses, a global study has found

"GREAT MEN OF HISTORY"-FAGS BTFO

IDEALISTS BTFO

ANALYTICFAGS BTFO

NEOLIBERAL HISTORIANS BTFO

ECONFAGS BTFO

Dialectical Materialism has been proven correct by bourgeois anthropologists. ENGELS WAS RIGHT SPREAD THE WORD.

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Do you guys like surveys?

Hey you cool buddies! I have a real cool survey for you to respond to! If you like either renewable or fossil fuel energy, please answer for my dearest school research project. Here is the cool link:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeTCgXK20O9XzS2ltzcQjrBhHJiU7w442Cg3a4XP0lvVhtNXQ/viewform?usp=sf_link

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Accounts of Russian Revolution

Anyone have any reccomended accounts of the russian revolution made by a non-anarchist revolutionary who did not support the USSR and visa versa? Already have Trotsky's history of the russian revolution.

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IDEOLOGY HAS REACH CRITICAL MASS!

prepare to worship your new AI godheads and give all your money to our compa— church!!

Grace and salvation will be subscriber services

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When did it become "okay" to be a right winger?

Why do we live in a world where neoliberals and socdems are associated with genocidal/classicidal dictators?

why is it seen as freedom to be able to not pay taxes?

Why do people not learn from the mistakes of others and try again? inb4 "but that's insanity"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p2QfjaSIUo

why is Jordan Peterson the most popular philosopher of the 2010's?

why do people not know about fascism in Chile, but know everything about the USSR?

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So I was thinking about economic planning with the workers controlling the means of production. I couldn't find a solution to this situation. How does one resolve the clash between worker control and production for use? If for example a certain amount of computers need to be produced that year and there's only a certain amount of workers able to produce computers that year, the workers are not really free to choose how many hours they work because there's a minimum amount of work that needs to get done.

Do sectors with less demand get to work less, and if so do they get less labor vouchers or can they still request the same amount of goods?

Are sectors with high demand but low worker count required to worker more, if so do they get more goods in return.

Is it possible for workers to be in control of the means of production if the demand for that production is coming from outside their sphere of influence?

I don't really know if I formulated my question in a way that makes sense, but I hope its coherent enough.

i'm not a right winger btw

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Which crisis theory do you subcribe to? Underconsumptionism like David Harvey and Luxemburg, Falling rate of profit like Klimand (and arguably Marx) or something else?

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>4/pol/ is full of litteral retards

>8/pol/ is full of pseudo detectives and cuckservatives

>leftypol mods ban me for wanting to discuss social nationalism or anything that is not their form of socialism

why are you guys so angsty about dissenting opinions? 4/pol/ communism generals almost always reach bump limit. here mods prune your thread within seconds. i think this is a shame because you guys actually have brains, its not like you are so impresionable you need to be sheltered from dangerous thoughts. i think discussion should be encouraged more. instead of: "wow did you really just suggest such a tought, SAGE!". the lines between communism, national syndicalism, juche and stalinism etc. are blurry. norks probably have the strictest racial laws this universe has ever seen and will ever see and is widely discussed here. even suggesting fascism, which has nothing to do with race in essence, is highly frowned upon. stalin was more antisemitic than mussolini. ofcourse there are differences, but these are not allowed to be discussed….

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agitprop

Making this thread to discuss about propaganda.

Which kind of propaganda do you find the most effective (posters, stickers, murals…)? Which role does social media play in first world countries?

This image shows the DINA3 posters we printed yesterday and put up in our neighbourhood (marxist-leninist student movement). btw, how does one make that glue mix of the 2º image? the sticky tape is low as fuck, plus cops are always patrolling the streets

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kickscammer

What does /leftypol/ think about kickstarter and crowd funding in general?

Why do these systems attract so many cranks when it could be used as a way to start cooperatives?

Why do the pojects that get funded have such bumpy development?

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What is wrong with money simply as a medium of exchange?

Should we abolish money completely or retain the use of markets? I've generally leaned towards the former but I could be convinced otherwise, so I'm interested to hear some other opinions.

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>be me

>hold somebody up at gunpoint

>he gives me his wallet voluntarily, because he doesn't want to get shot

>this was a voluntary exchange, and anybody who says otherwise is a commie

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Bobby Fischer

So, was this guy MKULTRA'd like Kaczynski or was it just autism? Also, why were these chess matches so damn important to the Cold War? According to a piece on Fischer in the Atlantic, Kissinger pretty much told Fischer to get his ass on the plane to Iceland.

Can any older and/orknowledgeable anons explain this whole drama?

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Blackwater founder pitches plan to quell Libya migrant crisis with private police

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/30/blackwater-founder-pitches-plan-to-quell-libya-migrant-crisis-with-private-police

>Erik Prince, the founder of the private military contractor Blackwater, is pushing a plan to intervene in the migrant crisis in Libya with a proposal involving a privately-trained police force that would mirror his company’s work in Afghanistan.

>The proposal, he said, would be a more humanitarian option for the European Union compared to the chaos that is now gripping the oil-rich nation, given widespread reports of grave human rights abuses by militia groups against migrants.

> Prince, who is close to the Trump administration and is mulling a run for Senate in Wyoming, said it would be relatively easy for his company, Frontier Services Group, to stop, detain, house and “repatriate” hundreds of thousands of African migrants who are seeking a path to Europe through Libya.

>He has also proposed to do so for a “fraction” of the price the EU is spending on boats that intercept migrant vessels in the Mediterranean.

ancapistan is real and its coming to Libya

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>Sweden has a near-perfect economy

>poverty is almost eliminated, crime is nonexistent

>suddenly out of nowhere rapes and murders increase suddenly

What cause this, /leftypol/?

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The man who coined the term "meritocracy" was an anti-meritocrat. Right-socialists BTFO

Social elitists, right socialists, and capitalists of the social realm BTFO

Meritocracy was a satirical warning, not a goal.

""I have been sadly disappointed by my 1958 book, The Rise of the Meritocracy. I coined a word which has gone into general circulation, especially in the United States, and most recently found a prominent place in the speeches of Mr Blair.

The book was a satire meant to be a warning.

With an amazing battery of certificates and degrees at its disposal, education has put its seal of approval on a minority

Meritocrats can be insufferably smug, much more so than the people who knew they had achieved advancement not on their own merit but because they were, as somebody's son or daughter, the beneficiaries of nepotism. The newcomers can actually believe they have morality on their side.

So assured have the elite become that there is almost no block on the rewards they arrogate to themselves. The old restraints of the business world have been lifted and, as the book also predicted, all manner of new ways for people to feather their own nests have been invented and exploited.

So assured have the elite become that there is almost no block on the rewards they arrogate to themselves. The old restraints of the business world have been lifted and, as the book also predicted, all manner of new ways for people to feather their own nests have been invented and exploited.

Salaries and fees have shot up. Generous share option schemes have proliferated. Top bonuses and golden handshakes have multiplied."

-Michael Young

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/jun/29/comment

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Questions for "real" Socialists.

Question for the mods, I had a controversial and you banned me and anchored it, I fully understand why, and hold no ill will over it. Then I made a non-controversial question, then you anchored it for no reason. So what do you want? Middle of the road questions?

Questions for the rest of you, What will you do about the SJWs who sympathize with you guys?

Because like or not, they'd be the useful idiots who would get your group into power.

If you allow them to live in your not-country, they'd be undermining the foundation like the cancer they are. Even if you had a poor, black, limbless, tranny, from another country as the leader, they'd be still be taking and taking, with no sign of ever stopping.

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One-third of all Americans killed by strangers are killed by police

> Americans are afraid of many threats to their lives – serial killers, crazed gunmen, gang bangers, and above all terrorists – but these threats are surprisingly unlikely. Approximately three-quarters of all homicide victims in America are killed by someone they know. And the real threat from strangers is quite different from what most fear: one-third of all Americans killed by strangers are killed by police.

Source: https://granta.com/violence-in-blue/

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Couldn't you solve the economic calculation problem by making more of the stuff people are "buying" and making less of the stuff that isn't fully "selling"?

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Kikes

Fuck all you kikes. You are repulsive disgusting filthy baby dick sucking kike commie degenerates who worship stinky nigger cocks. Soon you will all die. Die kikes!

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comrade stalin needs your help!

no one has signed up as soviets in /v/'s RTS tournament!

>>>/v/13958195

we must correct this at once.

http://challonge.com/omdwnwdj

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Where exactly did the USSR go wrong and what would've you done

I've seen a couple threads asking the same first question, but people never seem to propose what they would've done differently. Also, as an extra question: how possible do you think your proposal could've been. Very possible, or completely idealistic?

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Why I am a Marxist by Karl Korsch:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/korsch/1934/why-marxist.htm

What do you think about this article, anons? Korsch writes about what he sees as "the most essential points of Marxism in a condensed form:"

> 1. All the propositions of Marxism, including those that are apparently general, are specific.

> 2. Marxism is not positive but critical.

> 3. Its subject-matter is not existing capitalist society in its affirmative state, but declining capitalist society as revealed in the demonstrably operative tendencies of its breaking-up and decay.

> 4. Its primary purpose is not contemplative enjoyment of the existing world but its active transformation (praktische Umwaelzung).

He explains what he means by each of these. It's a short article so don't be afraid to read it!

What do you think? Is one of those points wrong? Would you include other points or leave some out?

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Communtiy Size

Currently reading some Bookchin, and he recommends that we need to cut off the size of our communities in order to establish democracy.

Do you support the retribalization of society after the revolution?

I know liberals and start ups are reinventing things like co-living and it seems like not a great idea.

The biggest pro I can see of tribalization is that it will finally solve the Esperanto question, there will be little need to communicate with other tribes.

My main concern is that tribalization may lead to further ethnic conflicts in a more fragmented future.

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US Police humiliate and execute an unarmed man in hotel!

>/pol/ and 40+% of Americans will defend this

How do we put a stop to this when a large percentage of Americans will respond with #BlueLivesMatter and accuse you of hating the country if you say anything negative about it's police force? :thonk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw

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https://www.thenation.com/article/the-department-of-justice-is-overseeing-the-resegregation-of-american-schools/

How can people read shit like this and still claim that racism is not a real problem in the USA?

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You have a button that will kill everyone who is worth a certain amount or more. You can choose that amount. What would you choose?

In the U.S. the average lifetime income is a million dollars. So someone who owns $100 million effectively owns 100 slaves. If someone who directly owns 100 slaves deserves to die, they do as well, the only difference is that capitalism abstracts slavery from individual ownership to collective ownership by the bourgeois class.

I'd probably choose something like $30 million at the cut-off, which would be 226,450 deaths worldwide. A small price to pay for de-lousing humanity of the worst parasites.

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Reminder that 'cultural Marxism' is a creation of weirdo philosophers funded and promoted by American intelligence agencies

>The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) was a wartime intelligence agency of the United States during World War II, and a predecessor of the modern Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

>Other OSS functions included the use of propaganda, subversion, and post-war planning.

>Herbert Marcuse (German: [maʀˈkuːzə]; July 19, 1898 – July 29, 1979) was a German-American philosopher, sociologist, and political theorist, associated with the Frankfurt School of Critical Theory.

>Between 1943 and 1950, Marcuse worked in U.S. Government service for the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor of the Central Intelligence Agency) where he criticized the Ideology of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in the book Soviet Marxism: A Critical Analysis (1958). After his studies, in the 1960s and the 1970s he became known as the preeminent theorist of the New Left and the student movements of West Germany, France, and the United States; some consider him the "father of the New Left".

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Chinese Communist Party evitcs tens of thousands of “low-end population” from Beijing

Reminder that the Marxist-educated """communists""" from the CCP not only don't work for the poor but actively supress any popular efforts to help the working class

China is Porky's dream.

Tens of thousands of migrant workers are being tossed out of their homes in the freezing cold and biting winds of the Beijing winter, with little or no notice. It is a mass eviction sparked by a fire in a crammed and unsafe apartment building on Nov. 18 that killed 19 people, but it is part of a broader plan to modernize, beautify and gentrify the Chinese capital as a showcase for the Communist Party

To many Beijing residents, it's seen as callous and cruel. It also has touched off a rare outpouring of sympathy from the middle class toward the poorer sections of society who form the backbone of China's economy but suffer the blunt end of Communist rule.

Hundreds of volunteers have gathered to help migrant workers with offers of temporary accommodation or assistance in moving their belongings. Others have brought soup or food to the evicted people, or donated warm clothes. Many more have taken to the Internet to declare their anger, sharing videos and photos of migrants thrown out of their homes. And more than 100 scholars, lawyers and artists signed an open letter protesting the evictions.

But authorities have responded by deleting social media posts and taking down a link allowing people to volunteer their services. A drop-in center to provide temporary accommodation to the evictees was closed by police. In a country where civil society is suspect, any attempt to protect the poor against abuse by the state is seen as potentially subversive.

Others took aim at the government and state media for allegedly referring to migrant workers as “low-end population.”

“Lower-class population” in every big city deserves respect, if there are no couriers, no waiters, nannies and real estate agents, street peddlers that you despise, your life would be less convenient,” one said, in a comment deleted by censors but preserved on the freeweibo.com website.

“What is lower class is not the population, it’s the mode of thinking of the government,” another person wrote in a deleted comment.

A link set up by Warm Beijing, a private group aiming to encourage volunteers to come forward and help, was taken offline. The page now displays a message saying that it “may contain sensitive words and has been banned!”

Meanwhile, the Tongzhou Home, a drop-in center for migrant workers, was visited by police after offering evictees the chance to store luggage or stay the night. It was later shuttered.

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If the Rothschild family no longer has much in the way of power and influence then why is Macron president of France? Literally nothing else explains it.

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Friendly reminder that if you are a leftist and label yourself an atheist, you're retarded.

As Marx said: "there should be less trifling with the label 'atheism,'”

If Marx was a post-theist, why aren't you?

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https://youtu.be/csnGHxamJXQ

https://youtu.be/02vDkMEdIkY

>Scatland is communism?

Дa, I think so.

>Was Scatman John, dare I say, /ourguy/?

Praise the honourable Comrade Scatman!

>Why could the power of scat not bring the glorious revolution?

Death of John was COINTELPRO.

Rest in power, Comrade Scatman.

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Why would a wall be so bad?

>what if you were on the other side of the wall?

Oh, you mean Mexico? That place American elites and petite-bourgeoisie go to for extravagant vacations? Where American money is basically worth double and has all the really good food and many of their industries are nationalized so the people are far less exploited than in America?

>why you tryin' to keep people with dreams out?

It's not dreams, it's porky trafficking in humans so the banks can lease out their money (it's called debt) and then collect interest in the form of mortgages and credit cards. It's stealing Mexico's most precious natural resource: it's children, who are Mexico's future.

>b-but my no-borders amnesty movement

All bought and paid for by corporate greed and the international banks.

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"The Revolution Will Not Be Theorized" Article by Left of Wreckage

https://leftofwreckage.wordpress.com/2017/04/25/the-revolution-will-not-be-theorized/

>Marx is famous for theorizing capital’s contradictions and putting forth the theory of its downfall as the ground for the greater society to follow. Hegel famously did no such thing to critique his society, something for which the Young Hegelians endlessly critiqued him. Hegel, it is said, was all too happy to theorize what is without putting forth a critique that would tell us what it should be. Hegel’s philosophy, interestingly, was recognized by Marx as inherently “revolutionary” due to the automatically critical nature of the immanent critique of his method, which tore down all appearance of stability and absolute being in all concepts. Hegel’s own theory of society, the theory found in the Philosophy of Right, does not match the existing state of Prussia in his time, and it is in some ways more progressive than the reality it supposedly was to describe. How, then, did Hegel fail to generate the revolutionary philosophy which his method itself seems to generate? Well, part of the question has to do with what revolution is, what it is about, and what is implied in all of this for a possible theory about such a thing in the first place.

>What Counts as Revolutionary Theory?

>In order to ponder the question, we must first ponder what a revolutionary theory is, and before that what a revolution even is. I’m not going to get academic with this, I’d just like to ruminate on the topic from a lay point of view and sort out what I can from a basic position of ignorance no better than the commoner. Why? I have found that in the zeal to overcome the common with the scientifically theoretical, theory often makes mistakes in overlooking what is commonly understood.

>A revolution, as Leftists understand it, is a fundamental change in the very structures of society. We often think revolutions are progressive, but by this notion they can also be regressive. A revolution is a rupture with the past, a whole new beginning, a new system. On the Left, we wish to have a revolution that moves us towards the ideal of a humanized society, and we recognize the elements of current society which in some manner must be carried on and improved in future society.

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What do you guys think of the New Left movement that happened in the 60s and 70s in the west? Woke? Joke? I've heard some say that they ruined the focus on labor and brought upon the idpol left. Is that true?

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Treaty of Brest-Litovsk

>the peasant was found at a wayside train station

Should Trotsky have included him in the negotiations comrades? Who else should have been brought along?

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Why was the Black Power movement so easy to kill?

>Jackson: We're structured in such a way as to allow us to exist and continue to resist despite the losses we've absorbed. It was set up that way. We know the enemy operates under the concept of "kill the head and the body will die." They target those they see as key leaders. We know this, and we've set up safeguards to prevent the strategy from working against us. I know I could be killed tomorrow, but the struggle would continue, there would be two hundred or three hundred to take my place. As Fred Hampton put it, "You can kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution." Hampton, as you know, was head of the party in Chicago, and was murdered in his sleep by the police in chicago, along with Mark Clark, the party leader from Peoria, Illinois. Their loss is tremendous, but the struggle goes on.

Just saw this in an interview with George Jackson and it's sad how incompatible with reality it was. Literally all they had to do was kill and arrest the right people and the whole thing collapsed.

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"Don't Call It Fascism, This Is The Future You Chose"

We've gotta rethink the number of 20-something western men who're far-right cuz the way I see it there's way more of them than they/we think there are. I mean, how else could you explain every comment section and every thread related to a post going against the holy race """realist""" doctrine of I.Q. being genetically linked to race and proof that "shitskins have to go back" to save huwite civilization turning into this, a shitstorm of Nazi frogs and comments of "READ TEH BELL CURVE CUCK":

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=7s&v=es91OV7E4C8

Again, this is everywhere on the internet from what I've seen. Neo-Fascism's the new punk rock. You wouldn't risk getting virtually de-platformed by your own viewers/readers attacking you with almost religious fanaticism if this wasn't so. There's a reason le rational skeptics keep their mouths shut when it comes to race unless they wanna shit on some SJW. Even they know how much of a right-wing torture chamber the internet is these days. I'm starting to think at least 25% of millennial men in the west have fallen to this white nationalist idpol.

What's your estimate and how do we (if there's even still hope) save them? After all the way things are going right now future internet historians are gonna remember the millennial generation for giving birth to cyber-nazism.

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*blocks you're path*

KEEP YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR WITH YOUR ELBOWS AND KNEES TOUCHING THE SMALL OF YOUR BACK AND CRAWL FORWARD USING YOUR TIBIALIS ANTERIOR WHILE KEEPING YOUR PALMS ON YOUR TORSO

SIR I SAID USING YOUR TIBIALIS ANTERIOR NOT YOUR GASTROCNEMIUS

SIR YOU WILL NEED TO COMPLY OR I WILL SHOOT

BANG BANG BANG

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mitch mcconal needs to shove his tax reform bill up his pee hole

https://www.change.org/p/mitch-mcconnell-shove-your-tax-reform-bill-up-your-pee-hole-and-die-from-sepsis

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INKA SOCIALISM

The new socialists tell us all the old ideologies have failed, that we need to adopt our ideas to present-day conditions and forget the past. But the issue isn't about whether we need to apply 19th century ideas into a modern context or not. In truth, we need to look back further.

Although not necessarily the first socialist state (it was predated by Pharonic Egypt and democratic Athens) with the wisdom of Viracocha the people of Tawantinsuyu possessed an understanding of Socialism more dialectically advanced than any society seen before or since. The evidence is simply irrefutable, the Inka model is the only one capable of standing the test of time, far outliving the Paris Commune or ML as a successful DoTP. it simply goes without saying that only an incestual vanguard engaged in fervent Inti-worship can possibly hope to free the proletariat from the shackles of capital in this day and age.

Our duty as revolutionaries today if we are ever to safeguard the working class from reactionary forces like smallpox and Spanish people is to spread the immortal, scientific doctrine of Four-Corners Socialism. The ONLY real theory proven to be capable of building a lasting socialist legacy.

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So the guy who wrote the best book on Marxism thinks the labour theory of value is fucked beyond repair and Marxism inherently will lead to totalitarianism. It's hard to call Kolakowski biased or poorly-researched.

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There Is A Spectre Haunting /leftypol/

It is the ghost of liberalism. There is only one cure.

DIAMAT.

>there are idealists on this board right now

>there are people who dont believe in historical materialism on this baord

>there are unironically religious people on this board

>there are unironic accelerationists here

You will all stop being faggots on this day. Accept dialectical materialism.

General thread for making note of the actions of the critically retarded

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As time goes on you realize marxism leninism just makes more sense. Anarchism is somewhat utopian, leftcommunism is just sitting around for an "organic revolution" and the rest is too irrelevant and fictional to even happen. Let me remind you that Marxism Leninism mostly succeeded before revisionism went rampant on the eastern bloc.

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Daily News Thread 12/9

Iraq declares war with Islamic State is over

Iraq has announced that its war against so-called Islamic State is over.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42291985

Pakistani Air Force ordered to shoot down US drones

Pakistan’s Air Force (PAF) commander has reportedly ordered to take down drones violating the country’s sovereignty, including that of the US.

https://www.rt.com/news/412535-pakistan-down-us-drones/

Communist Alliance Takes Lead in Nepal General Elections

The historic agreement between the two communist parties was formed to undermine the Nepalese Congress, which previously led a government coalition.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Communist-Alliance-Takes-Lead-in-Nepal-General-Elections-20171208-0022.html

Israeli strikes kill two Gaza gunmen, anti-Trump protests less intense

Israeli air strikes in Gaza killed two Palestinian gunmen on Saturday after rockets were fired from the enclave, in violence that erupted over President Donald Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-israel-gaza/israeli-strikes-kill-two-gaza-gunmen-anti-trump-protests-less-intense-idUSKBN1E308K

Massive Pro-Palestinian protest held in Paris ahead of Netanyahu’s visit

Pro-Palestinian demonstrators have gathered in the centre of Paris to protest against the upcoming visit of Benjamin Netanyahu to the French capital. The Israeli Prime Minister is due to meet French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday.

https://www.rt.com/news/412580-paris-protest-netanyahu-palestine/

US and Israel 'Isolated' at UN Security Council Meeting on Jerusalem

"While there are two parties in this conflict, they are not on a level playing field," the Bolivian ambassador said. "One is an occupying power, the other is an occupied people."

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/US-and-Israel-Isolated-at-UN-Security-Council-Meeting-on-Jerusalem-20171208-0020.html

Supreme Court Shields Trump Administration on ‘Dreamer’ Documents

The U.S. Supreme Court temporarily shielded the Trump administration from having to turn over documents connected to the president’s decision to end a program that protects some young immigrants from deportation.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-08/high-court-shields-trump-administration-on-dreamer-documents

US congressman 'offered aide $5m to be a surrogate and ignored her when she turned him down'

A member of the US House of Representatives has been accused of harrassing female staff members to be a surrogate for him and his wife, and leaving female aides unsure whether he was attempting to have intercourse with them. At least two female aides have said that Arizona Representative Trent Franks asked them to be a surrogate, with one saying that he had offered her $5m (£3.7m).

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-congressman-offered-aide-5m-be-surrogate-ignored-her-when-she-turned-him-down-1650801

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No matter how hard you try, you can't stop us now

No matter how hard you try, you can't stop us now

WE'RE THE RENEGADES OF THIS TIME AND AGE

THIS IS THE TIME AND AGE OF RENEGADES

RENEGADES OF THIS TIME AND AGE

THIS IS THE TIME AND AGE OF RENEGADES

WE'RE THE RENEGADES OF MARX

WE'RE THE RENEGADES OF MARX

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>hear about Bitcoin when it was worth nothing

>bitcoiners were basically lolcows doing dumb shit like getting heatstroke from their mining rigs and made fun of, bitcoins were called buttcoins

>think nothing of bitcoin and don't buy any

That was my one chance out of permanent,

wagecucked underemployment. I am a kissless, circumcised, psychotically depressed virgin and almost 28, clean cars at a dealershit on the night shift with retards and heroin addicts

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/LeftyK/

So what are some good guns i could get in a place like NYC or any highly gun regulated city like it. Also how do we despook libs on people having guns?

Thank you guys god bless, may we see each other in the class war in the USA and abroad.

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ITT: Capitalism in one video

Summarize Capitalism in one video, props if you can beat mine.

>Get it while you can before I sell it all.

>Spend $100 dollars, free shipping yawl!

>Send joy to the world, my merch has come.

Go tell yo mama, she gotta buy it all

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/Leftypol/ DnD

From: >>2288547's thread, discord is up. We using 5e with a homebrew setting that rips off the First Crusade, TES, and Tibetan history and smashes them together in the DnD 5e system. Its got some minor changes to the armour aspect, making it more historical and whatnot. JOIN UP

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https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/

How in fuck can these people be so up their own fucking ass while not even understanding what neoliberalism actually is?

I mean just read their bullshit sidebar

>Neoliberals understand that free-market capitalism creates unparalleled growth, opportunity, and innovation, but may fail to allocate wealth efficiently or fairly. Therefore, the state serves vital roles such as correcting market failure, ensuring a minimum standard of living, and conducting monetary policy. At the same time, the state should pursue these goals with minimal interference and under the check of inclusive institutions to free it from the influence of corporations, unions, and other special interests.

What the fuck? That encapsulates an entire range of mainstream political and economic schools of thought beyond just Neoliberals. Scandinavian "Socialism", New Deal Era Socdems, Fabians etc.

Try getting through some of those threads while taking a shot every time they say something completely fucking retarded and ideological and say it's "pragmatic" or "empirical" or the amount of times they will just ignore any study or polling that completely goes against their ideology. (Bernie is more popular than any of their dipshits). You would be dead from alcohol poisoning by the end of the thread.