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Moderator Feedback Thread

This thread is dedicated to the discussion of /leftypol/ moderation, both as a matter of direction and accountability for individual actions.

If you see a thread deleted or moderated in a way that you think is unfair, please post ITT, preferably with evidence or a detailed description of it. This won't guarantee a reversal, but it will help bring it to my attention. Volunteers who turn out to be repeat offenders and refuse to learn will have their accounts removed. You can also monitor our actions here:

https://8ch.net/log.php?board=leftypol

https://8ch.net/bans.html

As well, Volunteers who can't decide what to do about something should post ITT to get feedback before acting.

NOTE: This thread is not for the discussion of the recent potential migration announcement. You are allowed to discuss the matter, just not in this thread.

Apparently the last thread got inadvertently deleted. No it was not an act of suppression. I just spilled greasy pocket cheese all over my keyboard, and in the ensuing hurt and confusion, accidents happened. My sincerest apologies orz

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bunkerchan

https://www.bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol

Just a reminder to our users that if anything happen to 8ch or /leftypol/ please go to https://www.bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol

It is our bunker in case of an emergency

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/leftypol/ reading list

Official /leftypol/ reading list

In this thread, various members of the community have listed recommended literature regarding leftism, i.e. economics, political theory, philosophy and other subjects related to leftism. Some recommendations are for starters, or for those in advanced literature.

https://archive.is/L8uFD

/Leftypol/ has many ideologies, Marxist, Anarchist, Left-com, etc. so there is a variety of different literature with different viewpoints.

Reading literature is recommended, as it helps you understand leftism better and is much better than reading Wikipedia synopses.

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FAQ (READ THIS if you're from /pol/ or reddit)

Hello and welcome to /leftypol/. Please check the board tags for related boards. These are our groups:

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/leftypol

http://qchat.rizon.net/?channels=leftypol

Leftybooru:

http://lefty.booru.org/

/leftypol/'s magazine:

http://bunkermag.org/

Other leftist chans/backups:

http://www.getchan.net/

http://www.bunkerchan.org/

FAQ:

>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects of leftism are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums would tend to ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

>I'm not a leftist can I post here?

/leftypol/ welcomes debate from non-leftists. Non-leftists frequently come here to ask questions and raise topics for debate. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up.

>Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Obama? Are you all Zionists???

While there are a few liberals here, the majority of posters on /leftypol/ are radical left. They may still be socially liberal, but their economic stances are decidedly not liberal, and likely heavily opposed to the liberal order. As an extension of this, posters here are opposed to "SJWs," because they see them as economically liberal, and socially oppressive. Stances on Obama here range from indifferent, to angry– and the only poster here who shills for Democrats still does so under the premise that they're a lesser evil.

As for Israel, leftism is anti-Zionist. It is not anti-Jew. Unlike /pol/, /leftypol/ fully supports Palestinians, and doesn't think they're "mudslimes."

Pretending to be an SJW or Zionist will very likely get you banned.

>Why did you leave /pol/ and why does this board exist?

We may have "left /pol/," but /pol/ never left us. Since /leftypol/ is so prominent on such a /pol/-dominated website, a lot of debate here comes from /pol/ visitors who are interested in learning about leftism. You are more much more likely to find right wing posters on /leftypol/ than you are to find left wing posters on /pol/. /leftypol/ exists to help the 8chan community focus on leftist topics without being slid or flooded to death.

>Do you support gun control?

While posters on /leftypol/ have varying stances on gun control (training requirements, mental health checks, etc.), they are overwhelmingly in favor of arming the proletariat, and are against banning guns. Famous leftist heroes such as Marx, Orwell, and Huey P. Newton were all pro-gun.

>Do you support "national" socialism?

There are a few posters here who believe that "national" socialism is or can be a leftist stance, but Strasserism and NatSoc are generally regarded as a joke here. You're better off being honest that Nazism is right-wing. Attempting to cloak your hatred for foreigners and other races in pro-worker rhetoric, or similar ploys, might get you banned.

mod action log:

https://8ch.net/log.php?board=leftypol

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Global Meltdown Thread

Chinese Credit Bubble Edition.

If you've been keeping pace with financial news, you would already know of the huge credit bubble in China that is making wallstreet losers jittery.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/332505-china-is-far-away-but-its-bursting-bubble-will-hit-close-to

Partly due to the relaxing of regulations after the 2008, this bubble is now huge and threatens global consequences if it collapses. Cheap credit fueled a local housing bubble and an M&A acquisition craze that continues unabated. This relaxed attitude towards credit also funded property acquisition overseas leading to property bubbles all over the world. Meaning, any local crash in China will most certainly have effects on the economies of some of the biggest cities in the world, like New York and London.

The effects of a global slowdown will be compounded by the condition of the worker being worse off than 2008; we're in more debt (student loans, auto loans etc), working conditions are more precarious and median wages are lower than they were in 2008 in real terms.

Even a minor crash will most certainly lead to a period of debt deflation keeping China dependant economies depressed for the duration.

More signs that the credit bubble is having an impact already:

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/816611/credit-crunch-debt-bubble-2007-financial-crash

>WARNING signals have been felt today after a key credit indicator mirrored the same pattern experienced ahead of the financial crisis of 2008, in a eerie sign that the global economy is heading for another downturn.

On a related note, the recent surge of bitcoin prices were fueled by this same credit boom.

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Advice for a Southern US lefty group

Helped start a far left discussion/education group in a southern state capital that has grown to 30 people from January. Format has been a once weekly meeting where a different volunteer gives a talk on a topic they pick (had everything from encryption to the bread book to anime nazis to gardening to Lenin’s letters) followed by everybody talking it over, gossiping about the news and local concerns, grabbing drinks, etc.

We think it’s time to take things public. Currently reserving a regular meeting place at the local library and working on ideas for flyers, our logo, and strategies. Goal is to just act as a nonsectarian place for the local far left to make connections, learn from each other, and marshall strength for activism. Currently majority anarchists, followed by DemSocs, misc socialists, radicalizing Berniecrats, and a couple Marxist-Leninists. No idpol, disputes, or right wing sabotage so far, and we hope to minimize the risk of that in the future. Have any advice for us?

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Jeremy Corbyn

Overall, do we like him or is he just another Porky in sheep's clothing?

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Support the strike by VW workers in Slovakia!

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/06/26/volk-j26.html

By Ulrich Rippert chairman of the SGP and SGP candidate in North Rhine Westphalia

26 June 2017

>Ulrich Rippert is chairman of the Socialist Equality Party (SGP) and is standing for the SGP in North Rhine Westphalia for the federal elections on 24 September.

>On June 20 more than 8,000 Volkswagen workers went on strike in Slovakia, halting production at the company’s plant in the capital city of Bratislava. The strikers are demanding a wage increase of 16 percent and improved working conditions. Management has rejected their demands and is offering a miserly 4.5 percent raise this year, 4.2 percent next year and a one-time €350 bonus.

>After negotiations broke down Thursday local union officials said the strike would continue over the weekend and into this coming week.

>In Germany, the IG Metall union, which has 120,000 members at six VW plants, is maintaining its silence about the Slovakian strike while working to isolate the embattled workers from their class brothers and sisters in Germany and throughout Europe.

>Neither the union nor its representatives on the VW Works Council at the company’s headquarters in Wolfsburg have made a single statement. When questioned by the World Socialist Web Site, an IG Metall press spokeswoman in Wolfsburg, Anita Pöhlig, said, “We are not making any comments on the strike activities at the Bratislava plant.” Asked if this meant the IG Metall was opposed to the strike, Pöhlig replied, “As I said, no comment.”

>As the candidate of the Socialist Equality Party (SGP) in North Rhine Westphalia for the federal elections, I appeal to all workers to support the strike of the Slovakian VW workers. I especially urge VW workers in Germany and internationally to take active solidarity action with their colleagues in Bratislava. This is first strike at Volkswagen since the company moved to Slovakia in 1991, and the first strike in a large car factory in the Eastern European country since the introduction of capitalism.

>The demands of the striking workers are fully justified. The claims by the company and the media that Slovakian VW workers receive a monthly salary of €1,804 ($US2,020) and are muh privileged top earners is a blatant lie. WSWS readers from Bratislava report that production line workers do not earn more than €800 ($US896) per month. Even if other allowances and the Christmas bonus are included, this is still not enough to pay the exorbitant prices and rents in the Slovakian capital. Rent in Bratislava for a small two-room apartment, for example, is about €700 a month, and often over €1,000 for a three-room flat.

>The strike expresses a growing self-confidence of the working class in Slovakia and other Eastern European countries. The French PSA group (Peugeot/Citroën) and the South Korean manufacturer Kia were recently compelled to increase wages in their Slovakian plants by 6.3 and 7.5 percent respectively. The time when the large auto manufacturers could reap huge profits through the super-exploitation of workers is coming to an end. Throughout the factories workers are refusing to accept poverty wages while the corporate and financial overlords live in luxury and splendor.

>The growing militancy of workers has led to increased concern in corporate, media and trade union circles. Leading German business daily Handelsblatt wrote last Thursday, “Bratislava is only three-quarters of an hour by car from Vienna, where workers receive double or triple for doing the same job.” Under the headline, “Rude awakening in auto paradise,” the paper of finance capital writes, “For a long time, Slovakia was considered an auto paradise. Low wages, low taxes, and an industrial policy under government chief Robert Fico, who read the wishes from the lips of the auto manufacturers. But the location is developing into a nightmare for the Wolfsburg auto giant.”

>What Handelsblatt means by the nightmare for Wolfsburg’s corporate management, is the possibility that the strike will spark resistance throughout the region. In the neighbouring Czech Republic, a worker earns even less than an autoworker in Slovakia. The corporations fear that workers in other Eastern European countries—which have long used by European corporations to drive down wages and conditions throughout the continent—will follow the example of the Slovakian VW workers. This could lead to a wildfire of class struggle that could spread to Germany and Western Europe itself.

>With the collusion of IG Metall, the CGT in France and Unite in the UK, the global auto giants have imposed savage wage and social benefit cuts on workers throughout Western Europe. In the German factories, temporary and contract employees are already forced to work for wages that are just as miserable as in Bratislava, side-by-side with permanent workers making far higher pay and benefits.

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/Britleftypol/

Snap elections edition

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||Sargon is on Joe Rogan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrBCsLsSD2E

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Can anyone of you refute this?

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On Anti-Sectarianism

is anti sectarianism the only way forward for the left? like i know there a lot of "not real socialists/anarchists" people here but at this point it seems like the only way to truly pose a threat against the neo-libs/cons

in order for the hard left to defeat the neo-libs and cons it will likely require cooperation between socialists/anarchists/SOCDEMs/mutualists etc in order to pose any viable threat against the system

so basically what im saying is that in my opinion even if you hate the other side for "muh not real socialists" ultimatly its more important to be the neo-libs/cons then work towards

so essentially what the far left needs is a new big tent group that represent all leftists simultaneously while balancing their unique ideas

face it if sectarianism the left dies with ANTI-SEC it has a chance

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ECO-STALINISM

Tenets of Stalinism:

>massive public infrastructure projects

>rapid technological development

>nuclear energy, dams, etc

>forced population transfer

>killing, imprisoning, or re-educating the reactionaries and the ruling class

>food rations

>land reform

>massive war machine

Literally every single one of these points is going to be needed to deal with global warming this century. We'll need huge infrastructure spending to put us on clean energy, sustainable transport, insulated homes, and so on. Not to mention massive levees and water management projects to prevent important cities from getting swamped. We'll need a massive state-managed relocation program to get people out of danger areas and put up sea barriers, as well as to deal with millions of refugees. All of the oil company CEOs, all the conservative pundits, the anti-nuclear hippies, and so on will have to disappear. Food and water rationing will be required to prevent mass starvation, and new farmlands will have to be perpetually seized as the arable land region changes. We'll have to invade countries that refuse to move to sustainable energy and green living.

When I look at the reality of climate change… the droughts and floods, the famine and war it will cause… The only logical solution I can see is a brutal, authoritarian ecological dictatorship. I am for Eco-Stalinism.

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anti-work memes

Post anti-work memes here please

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Way to go, /leftypol/

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Can Communism be achieved through Democracy?

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New leftypol media chart (June 24/2017)

I updated the media chart. Mexie has been moved over to academics as she is currently a graduate student(phd) studying political economy. catgirls and rebel have been deleted as they are no longer active. Many new blogs have been added under text including micheal roberts (a marxist economist who worked in the city of london in finance, now retired, hes part of the SWP in the uk i think), Sam William's Critique of Crisis theory blog, BASED WPC's blog, and spirit of contradition, an EU radical left blog, various authors including cockshott, Gavin Mendel Gleason, etc.

Under youtube, Hawaii Left Review, Eastern Marxist, and Leftist perspective have been added as well as Brendan Davison (hes a demsoc). Im not sure where to classify them, IMO most of them are quasi-Tanks, but I don't know for sure so i put them all under 'new'. What do you guys think?

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Your brain is not a computer

https://aeon.co/essays/your-brain-does-not-process-information-and-it-is-not-a-computer

TRANS-HUMANISTS ETERNALLY BTFO

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Reactionary revolution potential

2/4 in pic related are spot on.

Reactionary are not interested in at least half of those tho, they just belive that because of KULTURAL MARCKSYSM they don't get laid. What are we doing to convert this idiot against the true cause of the so called DEGENERANCY: Capitalism? I do think they have more revolution potential than liberals. What do you guys think? Why instead of antifa beating the shit out of them we don't educated them?

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Why did USSR Fail?

Why did the USSR collapse? Also, why have most communist countries failed, like Venezuela?

Pics unrelated. Obviously.

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> You become dictator of the USA, seizing absolute power over it's military and economic power. What do you do next?

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/nederdraad/

hee hebben jullie nog radicale leuzen in het openbaar vervoer geschreven

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EU finally did something good and fined Google for almost $3 billion.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/27/technology/business/google-eu-antitrust-fine/index.html

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What brought you to communism? At what moment did you realise "Yeah, this is my thing"?

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Why does communist seem to kill a huge proportion of their own population

To keep control?

Serious question btw

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why did several former countries that wanted to become communist close the borders so that their citizens couldnt emigrate? wasnt this slavery?

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/leftytrash/

Movies, anime, music, feels e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting

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Nazbol Party in a Political Simulator Recruiting

Hello, there is a relatively unknown political simulator called Power. Currently, the GOP is dominating the game, with most of their support coming from /pol/ and /r/The_Donald, to stop the Nazbol gang which they hate. Currently we're in a pact with the Syndicalists, but even that is not enough to stop the /r/The_Donald hordes.

Right we're focusing on Appalachia and the Midwest, with plans to expand into the South and West later on, so for now starting in the Midwest is the best. Currently West Virginia is our Nazbol gang stronghold, and our best performing state. Also, don't forget to join the Farmer-Labor Congress of Citizens' Leagues in the parties section of Power, as well as our Discord.

Game link: http://oppressive.games/power/index.php

Discord: https://discord.gg/SA6fyqW

Land, Liberty, and Labor! All Power to the States and Unions!

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Religion of /leftypol/

What religion do you follow and why? Theological reasons only please, no 'cultural' reasons, thanks.

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The point of a company is to maximize profits for its stockholders. The ceos and the stockholders actually create more way value than the workers themselves because they come up with the ideas that increases the value of the stocks.

With everything that you've learned from reading marxist literature, how does this fact make you feel?

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The Gays

What does leftypol think about the gays?

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Halfchan is unbearable

I've been on 4chan for years. One of my oldest memories was watching K-On! with /a/, so that'd put me at 2009 at least. And through that time I've gone on it almost every day, a ridiculous amount of time.

But lately, it's just unbearable. Specifically the board I've probably spent the most time on which is /v/. I came by during E3 to shitpost with them like I always do and I swear to god every other post was "we wuz" "leftist liberal agenda" "nazis were unironically good" "forced black characters" "[insert dumb trump meme]." And it hasn't stopped. Every thread is full of these dumbass /pol/-brainwashed children who spout uninspired reactionary memes, EVERY THREAD. I can't take this shit anymore, I lost the place where I've spent years and years of my time to these fascist newfaggots in less than a year. It sucks.

I don't know how or when it'll happen but I'm patiently waiting for this /pol/ fad to blow over. They've effectively tainted the rest of *channers with their ideology.

tl;dr

I'm glad I found you guys- but I also want to discuss things other than politics, like video games, but how the fuck do I do that when everyone else who wants to discuss video games are fucking unironic Nazis who fill every thread with idpol?

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Is the problem with leftism the fact you have to know so much theory and do reading?

Many other ideologies can be condensed into a sentence or two.

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SIONISTAS ARE NAZBOL

>After Stern's death in 1942, the new leadership of Lehi began to move it towards support for Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union.[1] In 1944, Lehi officially declared its support for National Bolshevism.[6] It said that its National Bolshevism involved an amalgamation of left-wing and right-wing political elements – Stern said Lehi incorporated elements of both the left and the right

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What are good comebacks whenever neoliberals bring up Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea as examples of their "success"?

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Labor Shortage Leaves $13 Million in Crops to Rot in Fields

http://www.independent.com/news/2017/jun/22/labor-shortage-leaves-13-million-crops-rot-fields/

>kick the Mexicans out, it will create moar jobs

>burgers wont take the jobs

>fields are rotting with produce

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OC Thread

I didn't see one in the catalog, post your shit

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TRUMP TO BOMB SYRIA

Ypg proxies gonna love this

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Is Richard Spencer /ourguy/ ?

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I have an idea

What if we created a drug that inhibited motivation to work with capital? I mean that's like most drugs, but I'm talking the politicization of the effects of drugs. I don't know if it's possible, but could we spill radical chemistry into radical centers, making them more willing to be violent, willing to not be afraid, more angry at Capitalism, the Market?

It would probably be ruining health, but I feel that liberation comes at a price as does Capitalism. We're running out of options but popular support only rises for us, we can take advantage of it.

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Imperialism Map

I am making a serious map of imperialist and anti-imperialist countries. I am tired of seeing stupid meme maps from pro-imperialist "leftists," who think any form of bourgeois foreign policy is imperialism, so this is my answer. I need your help filling in the blanks of countries that I have no knowledge of, and corrections on ones I incorrectly filled in. Preferably from people with a personal knowledge of the conditions in the countries, but otherwise anyone who is knowledgeable.

Please help!

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People will always trade their goods with each other no matter what, and with trading comes the valuation of goods. A house is worth more than a teapot, a tractor is worth more than a pair of gardening gloves. Money is just a representation of value and value will always exist. So how do you abolish money?

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Do you have any ideas for a subversive game, /leftypol/? Pic kind of related.

What is the subversion or ideological goal of the game? How will it be "fun"?

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Autonomism General Thread

Thoughts on Empire, Negri, Berandi, Tronti, Virno, opraismo, Post-Futurism, and Autonomism?

Empire is not about autonomism, but it is the best known book by Negri, who is arguably the most important autonomist theorist. I am interested both in autonomism, and Negri´s work as a whole.

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muh singularity

Are communism and transhumanism compatible, or no?

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>Although the bunkers were never used in a real conflict during Hoxha's rule, some found use in conflicts that broke out in the 1990s. During the 1997 rebellion in Albania, the townspeople of Sarandë in southern Albania were reported to have taken up positions in bunkers around the town in the face of fighting between government troops and rebels.

>There have been various suggestions for what to do with them: ideas have included pizza ovens, solar heaters, beehives, mushroom farms, projection rooms for drive-in cinemas, beach huts, flower planters, youth hostels and kiosks. Some Albanians have taken to using the bunkers for more romantic purposes.

>In a country where until recently cars were in short supply, they were popular places for lovers to consummate their relationships; as travel writer Tony Wheeler puts it, "Albanian virginity is lost in a Hoxha bunker as often as American virginity was once lost in the back seats of cars."

Are anti-Hoxhaists really just revisionists? People make fun of Albania's bunkers, but clearly the good people of Albania put them to good, communal use as well as effective local defenses when necessary. Was Enver Hoxha a true visionary who kept the spirit of communism alive well past his death?

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which was better east germany or west germany?

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>implying there are many differences between most of these

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WHERE'S THE FUCKING COMMUNISM

I NEED IT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Are there any leftist sources about the Yugoslav Wars that aren't biased towards Serbia?

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"Frankfurt School subversion techniques"

Oh shit /leftypol/, looks like we've really been exposed this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46qs2GFteVQ

>emptying of churches

>mindless TV

>excess drinking

>child prostitution

>teaching homosexuality to kids under 10

>high abortion rates

>stop homeschooling

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New Left Wing Movement in Greece

There is a new left wing political party emerging in greece with their base being in Athens they are promising to annex cyprus and hostile the tensions between greece and turkey. Due to the growing decay of the urban towns and the rise of right wing fascist the party uses nationalist tactics to organize workers and booster their support. They run on a pan hellenic platform trying to unite all greek people under one country of a leftist platform. The party also calls for a mixed economy of a workers market with a planned economy. They believe in the Trotskyist theory exporting revolution, because of this the party has named themselves the National Trotskyist Party of Greece or NTPG for short. The party has also received backlash by American corporations and even left sectarianism so they created a twitter account in english to help counter the propaganda spewed against them from both the left and the right.

The National Trotskyist Twitter: https://twitter.com/naztrot

Anti National Trotskyist Propaganda Source: https://twitter.com/vofnaztrot

Help us comrades in our struggle for workers liberation!!!

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Mexico-USA border wall might include solar panels if/when built

>When President Donald Trump pitched his idea for an energy-producing border wall covered in solar panels Wednesday night to that spirited campaign crowd in Iowa, he called the proposal “my idea.”

>However, back in April when Department of Homeland Security was reviewing bids for the wall project, at least one contractor, Gleason Partners LLC of Las Vegas, submitted a plan to use solar panels to cover sections of the wall.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/solar-border-wall-idea-trump/story?id=48214907

http://archive.is/22jvx

What do you think, /leftypol/? Would this be an efficient way to pay off the costs of building such a border wall? Would they be able to protect the panels from vandalism well?

Is this just Trump's way of trying to win back Elon Musk's heart after Donald dropped the Paris climate agreement? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/870369915894546432

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the religion question

Historically, why did societies striving to become communist despise God and religion so much? To the point of killing and imprisoning regular people and clergy simply for their religious affiliation. And also destroying ancient temples, churches and artifacts, from basically all religions…

Where did they get this hatred from and why did it manifest so brutally? What was ironic was that many of the rural folk, the most impoverished and worse off economically also happened to be the most religious and were often targeted for removal because of their faith, yet they should've been the "class" that was going to be "freed".

And how come modern proponents of communism seem more friendly and open to God and religion (at least in their liberal forms), compared to their historical predecessors…

If communism centers around economics and not identity-politics why do we need to persecute people for their faith, traditions and metaphysical beliefs?

Thank you /leftypol/

I hope you don't delete this thread or simply ignore it. The topic is important to me.

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Webm/MP4 Thread

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/leftyvidya/

What vidya do you like to play?

Anyone got more good ideas for item names/descriptions?

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Mutualist here, I'm having trouble understanding how exactly mutualism still has production for exchange and the concept of self exploitation and was hoping central-planning advocates could help clarify.

Let me explain first what Mutualism is and what it is not. Mutualism is not worker co-ops and laissez-faire capitalism at least not in our eyes however socialists of other stripes claim it is and I'm curious why.

A mutualist society would have democratically controlled means of production. All goods being produced are exchanged based on labor not other market forces. Exchange of goods can either happen on an individual or collective scale. An example of a collective scale exchange would be a type of single payer food system where a community would have several food distribution centers that don't require patrons to "pay" for anything, you just walk in and take what you want and the mutual aid network responsible for these distribution centers would compensate all of the workers involved from farmers to clerks.

An individual exchange doesn't require an explanation.

What I don't understand is how is this drastically different from other forms of socialism? Ultimately people are going to need to work in a society and are going to need each other's respective goods and services until we reach a FALC situation.

If I labor for ten hours and own the product of my labor what's wrong with me exchanging it for another product that required 10 hours to produce or a form of currency that equals 10 hours of production? How is this still exploitation? If someone is laboring for 10 hours and receives more or less than 10 hours worth of compensation aren't they in turn either being exploited or exploiting?

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why has communism failed so far?

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When will the Golden One finally come out of the closet?

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Behold, comrades, The Farage has given us our new 'Google x' meme.

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Chapo Trap House

https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-79-our-values-are-under-attack-feat-tim-heidecker-2617

So the past two free episodes have been pretty lukewarm tbh. The interview with Taibbi was ok but there were no big insights. Tim is not that interesting and as much as they shit on the Daily Show it seems to me they are falling it its routine.

>Trump is a dumb old man with holes in his brain

>Ha ha he is so fucking dumb and bumbling

>Ha, he has the brain of a child

Pretty tiring. What does /leftypol/ think?

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pizza hut tho

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how do you deal with people who argue that imperialism and colonialism are different from capitalism and that the two have nothing to do with each other? I'm sick of this talking point.

Keep in mind that just saying read Lenin/Marx/whoever doesn't work because most right wingers are allergic to socialist lit and will just say you're using a biased source or rewriting the dictionary.

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essential zizekcore

The "help, I don't understand what the sniff man is saying" guide.

I'm attaching a list in the OP and in subsequent posts I'll be attaching pdfs of the books.

>I'm an absolute normie and I would like some introductory material that's not too heavy

You should begin with the Graphic Guides – Introducing Marxism, Introducing Lacan and Introducing Slavoj Zizek.

Also recommended:

Zizek! The Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlojUvQdjMg

Pervert's Guide to Cinema https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLPc5RoJllw

Pervert's Guide to Ideology https://openload.co/embed/detlKN5hDcw/

Knowing a bit about Marxism and Lacan is a prerequisite to understanding Zizek.

>What are some easy reads by Zizek that you can pick up anytime

- Violence: Six Sideways Reflections (2008)

- First As Tragedy, Then As Farce (2009)

- Living in the End Times (2010)

- The Year of Dreaming Dangerously (2012)

- Event: A Philosophical Journey Through a Concept (2014)

Violence is especially recommended. Both Event and Violence are philosophical/conceptual books written in an easy to understand format for the lay audience. The others are mostly books by Zizek commenting on the current political and economic situation.

>I would like to dig in deeper. Where should I start if I want to seriously begin with Zizek's philosophy?

Lacan is where you should start. A deep understanding of Lacan is essential, because in some places Zizek follows Lacan to the letter.

Bruce Fink's A Clinical Introduction to Lacanian Psychoanalysis is a good place to start.

Matthew Sharpe and Geoff Boucher's Zizek and Politics: A Critical Introduction for an introduction to Zizek's politics.

Following those, I would suggest Zizek's best and first work The Sublime Object of Ideology.

>Alright. Hit me with the hard stuff.

- Tarrying With the Negative (1993)

- The Indivisible Remainder: Essays on Schelling and Related Matters (1996)

- The Ticklish Subject (1999)

- The Parallax View (2006)

- In Defense of Lost Causes (2008)

Since 2012, he has been writing mostly about Hegel. It remains to be seen how essential they are to his oeuvre.

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Do you think that anarcho capitalism is the future?

Not whether you like it or hate it, just that it's inevitable the way things are going.

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Today is Salvador Allende's birthday.

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Blacklivesmatter

What does /leftypol/ think of this movement. I feel its pretty idpol, it creates deeply triggering and problematic sentiment with some people, divides the working class even more, and even creates racists themselves.

What do you think?

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Fucking Liberals, destroying Leftism

https://youtu.be/mWvQtt-LVwc?t=2m58s

srsly, fuck liberals.

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Do you want total war

Throw out Christ and bring back Thor?

Do you want total war

Unleash the beast in man once more?

Do you want total war

Dance and do the lion’s roar?

Do you want total war?

Do you want total war?

Yes, you want total war!

Yes, you want total war!

Do you want total war

To see life's will return once more?

Do you want might to prevail

To kick aside the weak and frail?

To smite your foes that they might die

To splatter blood across the sky?

Do you want total war?

Do you want total war?

Yes, you want total war!

Yes, you want total war!

Do you want to rise and kill

To show the world an iron will?

Do you want to stand and fight

To rip asunder this pallid night?

All return the will of man

Let it burn and start again

Do you want total war?

Do you want total war?

Yes, you want total war!

Yes, you want total war!

Do you want total war

Throw out Christ and bring back Thor?

Do you want total war

Unleash the beast in man once more?

Do you want total war

Dance and do the lion’s roar?

Do you want total war?

Do you want total war?

Yes, you want total war!

Yes, you want total war!

Total war!

Total war!

Total war!

Total war!

Total war!

Total war!

Total war!

Total war!

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Give me one reason to not hate niggers, jews and fags.

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Leftist politics around the world

Whats the leftist movement look like in your country? Does your country have a strong left-wing party in parliament or are they neutered idpol machines?

Here in burgerland I think it's pretty abysmal. The Democrats are fucking aweful and the organized Labour has really been smothered here.

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Rojava General: Post-Cyclical Edition

With the removal of the cyclical from the old thread, it's time for a new Rojava general. I think we should create a list of links and info in general for future OPs, so please do post suggestions.

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Discordianism

Is it egoist and general.

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How does anarchism advance and spread without a party?

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Considering how Jimmy "Arm The Poor" Dore is getting more radicalised by the minute, we should contact Jimmy Dore and Richard Wolff with letters and, fb messages, tweets, emails, etc. from as many alt accounts as possible, asking them for Richard Wolff to come to his show or vice versa. It would really be the final push for Jimmy Dore to go FULL COMMIE.

Dore:

http://www.jimmydorecomedy.com/contact-jimmy

https://www.youtube.com/user/TYTComedy/about

Wolff:

http://www.democracyatwork.info/about#contact

http://www.rdwolff.com/contact

https://www.youtube.com/user/democracyatwrk/about

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Why do workers need to own the means of production to have a happier, healthier life? Why can't we just push the government to regulate businesses to require better working conditions and pay for us, and force businesses to put in better environmental regulations, yet keep a privatized economy?

inb4 "Big businesses control the gov't and would never let that happen," let's just have a thought experiment and say that the people somehow put an amendment or whatever to stop businesses from fucking with the state.

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So on Plebbit, has anyone else noticed in like the past month or two that like, all the big political boards are just being filled with people who actually call themselves Neoliberals and they seem hell bent on attacking Leftist Social Dems, Socialists etc and worshipping like Hillary Clinton?

At the same time, we've now got this super popular /r/Neoliberal board on Reddit and you are getting all these articles from MSM about the "Radical center" and "Neoliberalism and sweatshops are cool guys!" at the same time.

What the fuck? Have your standard liberals just lost their mind because of Trump and they can't believe he actually beat KWEEEN so it must all be Bernie and Russias fault, or is there like a fucking Neoliberal rebrand astroturf shit happening?

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Does leftypol like Kaiserreich?

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Phil Greaves

What do you think of the twitter user @PhilGreaves01? He seems to be the most prominent tankie on the internet. He's extremely angry and paranoid all the time, but he also frequently BTFOs liberals and social imperialists. Also, I wonder what he would say about /leftypol/.

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Why is anti colonialism dismissed as idpol?

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Suck my dick.

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Dubtrack thread

dubtrack thread

DDR edition

https://www.dubtrack.fm/join/leftypol-comrades

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Obadiah 1:2“Behold, I will make you small among the nations;

You are greatly despised.

Obadiah 1:3“The arrogance of your heart has deceived you,

You who live in the clefts of the rock,

In the loftiness of your dwelling place,

Who say in your heart,

‘Who will bring me down to earth?’

Obadiah 1:4“Though you build high like the eagle,

Though you set your nest among the stars,

From there I will bring you down,” declares the LORD.

What did comrade god mean by this?

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I don't think I can be a socialist anymore. Not because I don't believe that a communist society wouldn't be vastly superior to a capitalist one… But because people are such massive fucking retards. This isn't a "communism wouldn't work because human nature" thread, I'm saying that people are too fucking mental to fix things as is. If your response is "oh well capitalism the rea-" well then capitalism has fundamentally broken people. Unless you have some way of putting people under your thumb and forcing conversion, which you fucking don't, you won't be able to save these fucking simpletons.

We are no longer talking about the majority of the population being humble, uneducated people who are getting screwed - you're now talking about the sort of people who would sooner vote for Trump or Clinton than actually do anything that could possibly make the world better.

There is no saving these people, the best you could do is give them a fucking lobotomy.

"I don't do it for them I do it for me" well as said earlier, you can't do it alone and they aren't going to help you.

Fuck fascists, fuck liberals, fuck everyone

We are the minority, there are so few of us and we aren't growing… It's just liberals appropriating our ideology so they can fuck us again like they always do.

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Society is a Sack of Potatoes

Enjoy Noam Chomsky talking about Marx and potatoes.

https://youtu.be/tBzSLu3MZ6I

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The Left Must Present Facts, Not Ideology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWzwf8IKp1s

Since most people seem incapable of reading, I've made a yt channel for listening to pretty much the same things I've written on my politics blog.

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Daily News Thread 6/26

Supreme Court Largely Revives Trump's Travel Ban, Will Hear Appeal

The U.S. Supreme Court largely revived President Donald Trump’s travel ban and said the justices will hear arguments in the fall.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-26/supreme-court-partially-revives-travel-ban-will-hear-appeal

Theresa May and DUP reach £1bn deal to prop up minority government

The DUP has agreed a deal to support the minority Conservative government following two weeks of negotiations.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/theresa-may-dup-reach-1bn-deal-support-minority-government-1627822

London anti-brutality protesters set street fires, clash with police over man’s death

Violent protests against police brutality have erupted in east London over the death of a 25-year-old black man who died from wounds allegedly sustained during his arrest by police. Six police officers were injured in the clashes with rioters.

https://www.rt.com/uk/394059-london-protesters-clash-police/

Italy agrees €5.2bn bailout plan for struggling Veneto banks

The Italian government has unveiled plans to bailout struggling Banca Popolare di Vicenza and Veneto Banca to the tune of €5.2bn (£4.6bn, $5.8bn).

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/italy-agrees-5-2bn-bailout-plan-struggling-veneto-banks-1627788

Russians now see Stalin as greatest man in country's history

An opinion poll shows that a majority of Russians think Soviet leader Josef Stalin was the "most outstanding person" in history.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russians-now-see-stalin-greatest-man-countrys-history-1627851

Australia to seek greater powers on encrypted messaging at 'Five eyes' meeting

Australia said on Sunday it will push for greater powers to tackle the use of encrypted messaging services used by terrorists and criminals at an upcoming meeting of ministers from the "Five Eyes" intelligence network.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-security-messaging-idUSKBN19G044

Former S. Korean President Park plotted to kill North Korean leader Kim Jong-un

Former South Korean President Park Geun-hye was making plans to assassinate North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, according to Japan’s Asahi Shimbun national newspaper.

https://www.rt.com/news/394082-south-korea-kim-assassination/

CIA director blames ‘Snowden worship phenomenon’ for rise in leaks of US secrets

The exploits of NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden has triggered a trend where a growing number of state and non-state actors are eager to leak top secret US documents to the media and the public in pursue of glory, money or “whatever,” the CIA director has said.

https://www.rt.com/usa/393979-pompeo-snowden-worship-leaks/

U.S. warship stayed on deadly collision course despite warning - container ship captain

A U.S. warship struck by a container vessel in Japanese waters failed to respond to warning signals or take evasive action before a collision that killed seven of its crew, according to a report of the incident by the Philippine cargo ship's captain.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-navy-asia-exclusive-idUSKBN19H13C

Ohio sites hacked with IS message

A number of government websites in the US state of Ohio, including that of Governor John Kasich, have been hacked to display a pro-IS message.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40399425

Philando Castile death: Mother gets $3m over police shooting

The family of a black driver killed by a police officer during a traffic stop in Minnesota will receive $3m (£2.4m).

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40408004

Shkreli Made Big-Money Brag to FBI and Now Faces His Reckoning

In interview without lawyer, he may have bolstered U.S. case.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-26/shkreli-made-big-money-brag-to-fbi-and-now-faces-his-reckoning

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Lads, the new English Stirner translation has been uploaded online.

https://archive.org/details/MaxStirnerTheUniqueAndItsProperty

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JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP FAM

Or in other words, lolbertarianism thread?

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Why do you hate capitalism?

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Shit bios, we've been rumbled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCk37ui9cww

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Question

Hey I saw this graph on Krautchan and I wanted to know if it's true or bullshit

that's regards,

nod an andisemite :DDDDD

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Supreme Court Declares Trump Mack Daddy Moe

The Supreme Court is letting a limited version of the Trump administration ban on travel from six mostly Muslim countries to take effect, a victory for President Donald Trump in the biggest legal controversy of his young presidency.

The court said Monday the ban on visitors from Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen could be enforced as long as they lack a "credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States." The justices will hear arguments in the case in October.

Trump said last week that the ban would take effect 72 hours after being cleared by courts.

The Trump administration said the 90-day ban was needed to allow an internal review of the screening procedures for visa applicants from those countries. That review should be complete before Oct. 2, the first day the justices could hear arguments in their new term.

A 120-ban on refugees also is being allowed to take effect on a limited basis.

Three of the court's conservative justices said they would have let the complete bans take effect.

Justice Clarence Thomas, joined by Justices Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch, said the government has shown it is likely to succeed on the merits of the case, and that it will suffer irreparable harm with any interference. Thomas said the government's interest in preserving national security outweighs any hardship to people denied entry into the country.

Muslims BTFO! Salt mining stocks soar.

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how can you distribute resources within a socialist system without massive centralization? if so, wouldn't this centralization (big gov, big AI) lead to a decline in freedoms?

also isn't communism only achievable in a post-scarcity society which is lets face it impossible to achieve or at the best very impossible

i mean I don't like capitalism especially the modern form of global neoliberal capitalism which is one of the worst cancers that humanity has ever faced but I also don't like socialism either. I think that democratic socialism is probably the best model we can come up with also I think that markets are not a bad thing in and of themselves, the price-system is one of the best ways to distribute resources and maximize efficiency, and I think that markets don't need to be tied to private property at all.

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Religion is little more than an excuse for conservatives to hate people. Good religious people who actually do what Jesus did are a minority. The fact Jesus was a leftist peacenik is lost on warmongering, hateful conservatives who think the mere existence of gays is a threat to them.

>Adam Baldwin

>Joe Walsh(former congressman, not the Eagles member)

>Ted Nugent

>Kid Rock

>Fred Phelps

No better than Muslim terrorists.

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Against Irony

How do we defeat Irony? It's clearly killing discourse and critical thinking. Look how far /pol/'s gotten on irony alone.

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Is this our guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqB-EMqpsUA

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What's your opinion about Jontron?

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Was the Cultural Revolution good /leftypol/? In practice or in theory?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgYEO1nhUs4

Anyone see the debate between the Rooman and Socialism or Barbarism?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-L9lqnhM_A

When the fuck will the muh free marketplace of ideas will fix it meme die? How well did that work with ISIS or the Alt right?

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Wtf is National Trotskyism?

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Scottish Socialists/Communists

Any other of my kind here?

May the Scottish Commune rise and prosper!

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https://thecharnelhouse.org/2016/07/05/against-political-determinism/

Stop being a social democrat

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What do you get when you combine an anglo with an aryan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lELfFoWFfA

I wonder what happened to this girl, these aren't merely acknowledgement of differences, this is full blown esoteric ramblings.

How can you deduce that people lack abstract thought?

Also the part where she rambled about blacks devolving into tribal warfare whenever there's a lot of them in an area - this isn't merely facts, this is some bizarre extrapolation that can only stem from hardcore stromfront browsing. She looks really innocuous too, I thought most /pol/tards just hammer on about Autism Level, didn't know there was this extra mysticism surrounding blacks that made them literal Orcs.

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Syrian Conflict General

Discuss the Syrian conflict, YPG, SAA, Rojava and the Kurdish question, imperialism and more ITT.

Separate threads on Middle East conflicts and issues are totally allowed.

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Fat people are objectively a threat to other people. They prey on the emotionally weak and over-empathic and overconsume in every possible way which only serves to make the poor even poorer.

Too much tax money and far too many assistance programs go to helping people who can't help themselves AND deprive other people of a basic life necessity by gobbling it up.

Let's discuss reasonable, meaningful, humane ways to deal with this issue.

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Most Retarded Ideology

Whose ideology is the dumbest? Nazbols aside, who actually thinks monarchism is a good idea? I've actually started encoutering people who want to go back even FARTHER into resurrecting the Roman Empire and having a permanent military leader governing the empire. And some of these claim to be leftists.

How does this even happen? Are there any non-meme ideologies as retarded as monarchism?

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Vulgar DSA Embarrasses the Left

The infamous SocDems are at it again.

They marched in NYC's pride this year, and used profanity to demand SocDem reforms.

https://twitter.com/parolanto/status/879026154337837057

We need a real marxist organization leading the charge here, not a bunch of Bernie Sanders liberals.

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You guys really need to sort yourselves out

Marxism was a failure. Read Soltzhenitsyn.

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ARBEITER BAUERN NEHMT DIE GEWEHRE, NEHMT DIE GEWEHRE ZUR HAND!

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What did you do for Pride 2017, leftypol?

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Why does everyone and their dog suck this guys dick?

He's just porky.

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This is the fire general, for everywhere it is rising. Keep it bumped. Keep that fire burning.

independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/philando-castile-facebook-live-police-shooting-protesters-clash-officer-acquitted-manslaughter-a7794621.html

Protestors Clash With Police As Office Cleared Of Killing

independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/protest-downing-street-theresa-may-dup-grenfell-tower-latest-march-owen-jones-a7795281.html

Simmering Unrest Among The Ashes of Grenfell

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ITT I argue the case for the Blocheads known as Black Bloc.

I believe it is the case that, the capitalist state is more wary in times of large scale civil disobedience and unrest, wherever it may be. I would even go as far to say as it is in our interests for those who have far right beliefs to be on the streets, as this adds to the general pressure on the state to respond to large amounts of disillusioned people. Therefore, the presence of virtually any kind of protest inhibits the states ability to conduct its affairs, this in turn shows the weakness of the state.

Black Bloc represents a modicum more threat to the state than your average march. While they may march for the same causes as your peaceful protesters, there is an inherent element of threat which automatically escalates the situation. This is good. We want the confrontation with the state and the far right to be as exposed and as hostile as possible, we need to force the apathetic to take sides by pushing the narrative.

Take your average liberal, bottom line is they are not going to be in favour of the racists. They walk past a protest and a counter protest, they see a large group of people who whether they do damage or not, are at least pretending to be prepared to do damage. This normalises the actuality of doing damage to the state and the fash when it comes. This liberal is probably more likely to support physical resistance to the state and capitalism and the far right after this episode. They may even criticise them, while still not liking the racists, and talking about the value of peaceful protest, or whatever, but now the idea is in their mind, the two sides to the idea of violence are revealed. Further to this, it may embolden those on the left to see people willing to take to the streets.

Specifically with regards to the far right, the presence of people who are willing to do them damage will certainly keep some of the more timid ones at home. This is good. Particularly with the present right we want to escalate as much as possible, these memers aren't going to sacrifice their probably already strained relations with their parents to take to the streets proper. As soon as they realise it is no longer just lulz and it requires ditching your tendies and vidya they'll back off pretty fast. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure if you called up your mum/dad and said "I got arrested" and they said "what for" and you said, "well you know how grandad fought in ww2." and they say "uhu" and you say "well these people want resurrect the ideology he fought against, so I hit one of them with a flag that said 'antifacshistaktion' on it." they would most likely think you are an idiot but would have an outside sense of pride for you.

Now, considering in most of europe you can't have real weapons or form militias, basically the only ways we can escalate are to escalate mass gatherings OR start sporadic bombing, etc. But the latter is extremely unpopular for good reason.

Black Bloc at the very least creates the confrontation.

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Off duty Cops and power trips

What is it with off duty cops that decide to choke people out on their front lawns. Michigan Law does not allow this. Feudal systems and castles? threatening to kill a passerby. Isn't the first incident exactly like this, wont be the last.

https://www.facebook.com/veronica.a.falls/posts/10155731320141412

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Hey /lefypol/ I'm new to this whole left-wing thing after my Right-wing MAGA phase ended around February. Now I believe in worker's liberation, true democracy and fighting against fascism. But I've come to a dilemma here. One thing I have believed in ever since I became politically conscious no matter liberal, conservative, alt-lite or socialist, was Nationalism.

Now excuse my American pride faggotry, but I truly believe America is one of the greatest nations in history. Yes we have our problems such as our shitty government and corporate media, yes we almost worship many of our bourgoise overlords as celebrities, yes we are behind with our infrastructure compared to other western nations, yes we tend to be more to the right compared to Europe and yes we did fight Socialism during the Cold War.

However, Americans have been leading innovators with technology from the lightbulb to the internet, we built our entire country from the ground up quicker than any other in history, the American spirit values Liberty and Equality under the law, we value hard work and I love our history, staying away from the Imperialist forces of Europe to focus on our people, fighting a war to defeat slavery and unite our people North and South, and fighting two world wars against the decaying old monarchies and fascism.

Like I said yes, we need some work, but I do love my country and my people, no matter White, Black, or Asian. I am scheduled to go into the United States Navy in a couple of weeks because I wish to do my duty for my country and my people (I promise I'm not a CIA agent, I do genuinely believe this). I believe in the ideas of Nationalism, which is why I am here. I would now call myself a Syndicalist/Socialist or something (Probably closest to De Leonism with Titoist tendencies, sorry Anarchists) as well as a Nationalist and you probably now know why I am here.

If Hitler didn't hijack the label and use it for his fascist means I would call myself a Not Socialist, but alas he has ruined the term and used it for his horrid ideology. I also reject the autism that is Nazbols, and Asserism, and I reject people using Nationalism for imperial ambitions. I reject all of these right wing theories, all I wish to do is liberate the working class, fight for a easier life for our children; while at the same time preserving national pride, having a strong military and with it the military tradition, and protecting American culture, without resorting to tyranny or persecuting minorities. My brand of Nationalism is one that respects all Nations and their different paths towards socialism, for example if Country A wants to be Anarcho-Syndicalist while Country B wants to be ML, I'm fine with that, it is their people's choice to decide what they want.

Idk what to say now, I just wanted to get this out there and hear everyone's thoughts. I am open to everyone answering, American or not, but I would appreciate it if no one shits on my country too hard and actually helps me out with my problem.

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So /leftypol/, what do you do for a living?

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Isn't the idea that the alt right is just so buttblasted because they can't get laid so they created a whole ideology out of it a strawman?

Why must we strawman them like this and expect them not to do similar things with us?

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Steven Crowder

Is he the most retarded man on the internet?

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/leftytactics/

With all the talk recently, I figured we could have a tactical thread to discuss firearms, military tactics, history, and theory. Also survivalist stuff/DIY, etc. Also discussions of theories of guerilla warfare by Mao, Che, etc.

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https://godsandradicals.org/2016/12/16/an-american-retrograde/

"All the campus protests and theoretical posturing hadn’t done a damn thing to stop the rise of fascism, to stop the surge of income inequality, to stop the growth of camps like I had just traveled through. Why let them get in my way? The Left be damned, I’d fight because I wanted to, because the fact someone should nurse a shattered arm surrounded by mosquitoes and feces in the “greatest country in the world” filled me with violent, frenzied fury. Earthly existence is fleeting anyway, what better way to spend it than by giving hell to those you loathe right up til the bitter end?

And if the world would not come with me? If Tumblr and echo chambers were the sole territory the Left could claim? I’d let them perish because I was determined to change the dirt under my feet."

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Some of you still don't understand that G20 protest in Hamburg is the most important event for the Left this year.

> Facing the alleged lack of options between neoliberal capital management and authoritarian, nationalist and racist crisis resolution we choose the only right thing: global solidarity, open borders and grassroots rebellion!

Come to Hamburg. Bring your toothbrush. You will find a place to stay at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CXJvJBjqLg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZRvFVWleyc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m97QnsIepLU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvGLK7OHpds

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/leftyk/

/leftyk/ thread! Saving up for a Norinco M305 edition.

Post your guns, talk about guns, and develop our grand battle plan for the colonization of halfchan /k/ since it is significantly less spooked than /pol/.

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Muh sexual liberation

Was sexual liberation really a net positive for humanity? Is a return feudal patriarchal relations really the only alternative?

You may not use the following words in your reply: beta, alpha, chad, cuck, Stacy, Jamal, hypergamy, roastie, genetic trash

I realize this is a contentious topic ,but please argue in good faith, thanks

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Stirner is a stale meme

Why does this board name him so often and seems to love him? Stirner is really one of those historical figures who's names are only known because they were criticised by Marx.

Overrated edgy trash. Seriously why is he loved more than Marx here?

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can one of you guys tell me how to bluetext?

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Hello there fellow comrade, we noticed a suspicious amount of rock music being downloaded from your IP. Mind telling us something about that?

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Eternal Burger Strikes Again, The Secret Republican Plan to Unravel Medicaid

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/06/robert-reich-secret-republican-plan-unravel-medicaid.html

>Here’s how the Senate Republican bill does it. The bill sets a per-person cap on Medicaid spending in each state. That cap looks innocent enough because it rises every year with inflation.

>But there’s a catch. Starting 8 years from now, in 2025, the Senate bill switches its measure of inflation – from how rapidly medical costs are rising, to how rapidly overall costs in the economy are rising.

>Yet medical costs are rising faster than overall costs. They’ll almost surely continue to do so – as America’s elderly population grows, and as new medical devices, technologies, and drugs prolong life.

>Which means that after 2025, Medicaid will cover less and less of the costs of health care for the poor and elderly.

These guys are brilliant. How do they come up with this stuff?

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Inb4 b&

45 Declared goals of the US communist party

Defend this.

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Did you ever go through a woke phase before becoming a proper leftist?

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leftypol book club

let's do a book club

because why not

Some people probably have finals about now, and others aren't used to reading, so I think the first book should be entry level. It must also be avaiable in pdf, and probably not much more than 200 pages, preferable if non-fiction.

Suggest books, and then tomorrow I'll make a poll of the serious suggestions so we can do a vote.

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Hello! Im new to communism and socialism and I was wondering what ancoms are. How would a ancom society look like? Whats their opinion on economics? Are they against all private property (Houses,clothing,etc..)?

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Teens React to Idpol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CauSPiYZ7_E

>daily reminder idpol still affects young people deeply and we must help them

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does your culture have a lot of communal work? (literaly stalyn gommie work) here in norway we have something called "dugnad", which means a good deed. kids in children's football teams, marching bands and similar stuff usually can join in them for free, but the team or whatever arranges communal work where the members can sell calendars or toilet paper or something to peoples doors if they want to help. (in norwegian culture not joining dugnads when you benefit from them is considered disrespectful). also when parents of the 6th grade arrange the local 17. may constitution day it is communal work.

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Narcissism

Is narcissism the quality that unites liberals and conservatives in the post-modern era?

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/leftypol/ choir

THE ANTI-ANGLO GANG ANTHEM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_coIBlxjvU

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Travel Ban partially upheld by SCOTUS

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/26/politics/travel-ban-supreme-court/index.html

surprised there wasn't a thread on this.

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What's so inherently bad about Trump?

Yeah he's a jerk, populist, appeals the right wing masses, orange and stupid. But at the end of the day I fail to see what how what he wants to do and do is really that different from reagan, bush I and II, Bill clinton or even fucking obama…. and by this I mean that he is shit

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>mfw someone tells me the first world has revolutionary potential

does anyone unironically still believe this?

If so, explain why

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Racism

Racism is a spook

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Jews

Why was so many famous socialists jews?

Rosa Luxemburg, Lenin, Marx etc

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Fires up the brain cells.

So uh what happened to you guys?

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Sorry about this, but if you're over the age of 25, you need to get the fuck off this board.

What we pride ourselves in is being youthful and connected and knowing when lame shit can make you look bad. /leftypol/ needs to stay youthful, and if you're 25 it's about time for you to leave. It's kind of gross to be left at that age anyway.

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So what happens if accelerationism doesn't work and we just end up with unending hypercapitalism?

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This dudes been coming up alot in Egoist memes, even on a few /leftypol/ meme pages.

Like a..hunter s. thompson infused Stirnerite but obsessed with the occult. A! apparently just interviewed him and the Anarchist library is hosting his stuff.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/category/author/dr-bones

I like his views, just not the whole graveyard thing.

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why is deng so smug ?

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Avoiding Two Degrees of Warming 'Is Now Totally Unrealistic'

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/06/oppenheimer-interview/529083/

gg

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Pixelcanvas

Some might be tried of pixelcanvas but those god damn Nazis and Ancaps are fucking with our flag http://pixelcanvas.io/@-467,-451

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Leftypol AAR

I've had the idea of doing an interactive AAR of Kaiser Reich with /leftypol/ for a while now, and it's about time that I've made that idea a reality. The way that this will work is that I've chosen 7 interesting socialist countries, or countries that have socialist potential, for you to choose from in a poll. You guys will choose from in universe factions in the chosen country, and will vote on in game events, and general research and production priorities every 6 months. For countries that are not socialist at the start, I control until I get the option to go socialist. Decisions will be made by rolling the chance that the AI has of choosing the options in the thread. I'll give this poll two days, unless enough people complain that is not long enough.

Here are your options for the country that I'll play. The countries are syndicalist unless otherwise noted:

Poll here: http://www.strawpoll.me/13272032

The Commune of France

The Bhartiya Commune: Syndicalist state in India.

The Union of Britain

Brazil: Not socialist at the start.

Socialist Republic of Italy

Russia: Not socialist at the start. The only country that can go old fashioned bolshevik, aside from maybe Georgia.

The United States: Not socialist at the start.

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What do I read to specifically debunk neoclassical economics, for example the general equilibrium models?

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Why didn't just Mao let Lin take over? It would have been for the better.

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Where Were You When Uber Was Kill?

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/06/uber-spinning-control-employees-eyeing-exits-press-finally-starts-question-business-model.html

>In the days after Travis Kalanick stunned Uber Technologies Inc.’s more than 15,000 employees by resigning as chief executive, the company’s senior leaders made impassioned pleas reassuring them it is worth sticking around….

>Months of unflattering headlines and an investigation into allegations of sexual harassment and sexism at Uber have taken a toll. In interviews, some employees expressed sadness over the company’s now-tainted reputation, while others said they were upset with management for allowing its dirty laundry to be aired. Some said they were hopeful Uber could restore its reputation after adopting nearly 50 changes to improve its culture that resulted from an internal investigation into workplace conduct by former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s law firm…

>Some employees said the uncertainty has made it hard to work, especially as they have watched co-workers pack up their desks. Others said they are considering leaving, fearful that Uber could face a struggle to raise new funds. On the other hand, some worry about missing on out a big payday if they leave before their stock options fully vest, which takes four years, or before a reinvention of the company culture.

>“People are leaving because they feel like it’s on fire,” said Nora Hamada, a recruiter with Mirus Search, who said she has helped a handful of Uber employees find work at other startups.

>“There is no clear pathway I can see for Uber to go from a high-revenue growth company to a profitable company,” says Aswath Damodaran, a professor of finance at the Stern School of Business. “Normally the story for start-ups is that as revenues grow economies of scale will kick in, but that story is tough to tell with Uber.”….

First Trumpian acceleration kicked in, then we got Jezza, now this. Will 2017 ever stop delivering?

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Russell Brand

Is this cunt literally the embodiment of rich snob petty bourgeoisie socialism? Why is the left full of excellent elements like him, sjw, liberls, snowflakes and sociopaths??

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Should cultural history before the revolution be erased after it has finished?

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WARNING CONFRONTING: Beatings, torture and starvation. That’s just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to North Korea’s sickening prisons. http://www.michellhilton.com/2016/06/a-vida-em-uma-prisao-norte-coreana.html

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Does anyone have the letter where Marx calls someone a 'Jewish/Irish' nigger? I need it to upset a Trot

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Islam

Let's be honest, Islam is cancer.

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Is there a way we could systematically render the bourgeoisie as useless as the Queen of England?

For instance, what if we allow them to keep their property, but end capital accumulation. If people work on their property the bourgeoisie receive labor vouchers equal to the amount of labor hours each worker performs. They have no say over what hours people work, how they manage their working conditions, what type of tools they use, etc. The most they are obligated to is giving input on how their property is used and a symbolic role as "job creator".

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Flat Earth ideology

Can we have flat-earther is ideology deconstruction thread?

Where does this ideology stem from?

I feel that it's a fusion of an addiction to finding a deeper truth and adherence to biblical times understanding of the universe.

Why has this exploded in popularity? Are we moving backwards scientifically as a society?

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>make a theory related thread

>gets one pity reply by a guy interested in it as well before it 404s

>meanwhile the catalog is filled with 75+ idpol """discussion""" threads and 325+ e-celeb/youtuber """discussion""" threads

i know the board owner is a """""woman""""" so incompetence is to be expected, but please get your shit together

if youre not going to delete /leftytrash/ outside of /leftytrash/ can you at least merge those threads into /leftytrash/?

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Cultural Commodification

The idea of cultural commodification is much more coherent than the "cultural appropriation" meme. Cultural appropriation refers to taking cultural artifacts out of their original context. Cultural commodification is the crystallization of a cultural aesthetic in to a symbol that is then treated as a commodity, often in ways that run counter to sentiments held by the original culture in question. It is analogous to the underlying problem of crystallization of social labor, and has analogous results: cultural commodification leads to alienation from culture just as commodification of labor creates alienation from labor.

I think this idea has the potential to gain traction in the mainstream left and liberal circles. If it did, it could help shift the underlying theory of mainstream discourse surrounding culture away from identity politics and towards a Marxist understanding.

…or maybe I'm just a revisionist. What do you all think?

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Any ex-porky here trying to redeem himself

>Used to be an advertiser/lobbist

>Literally a shill

>Tool of the corporations

>Read Das Capital when I was 12

>Marxist with tankie tendencies inside

>Payed so well that I forget about my tankie self

>Read Das Capital again

>Beat the shit out of my boss and lost the job

>Now jobless, spend money travelling and reading

>Currently working on a photography book about Capitalism failures: Slums, Ghost Towns, Enviromental Damage and Working Men Death

I get the bullet too?

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Not seizing advanced technology

>Mars, 100 years from now

>the future you chose

>50 kilometers outside Musk city, largest franchise of New America Space Corp.

>be a human wageslave repairing mining bots on olympus mons

>get 2 hours of time to eat cockroach chow and shit into a tube that feeds the cockroaches you eat

>log into spacech.net/leftypol while on the poop tube

>cry about the failure of the 2017 Corbyn revolution being sabotaged by idpol and anarkiddies and that the United Socialist Isles got nuked in the start of ww3 and that Posadism would have saved us

>shitpost on /pol making memes about killing the fucking moon nazis and their nordic alien allies with mass driver bombardment and rebuild the frozen radioactive Earth with the rebel Corbynist-Posadist Communist Cosmonaut Platoon

>argue about the need to seize the means of space production to end belter exploitation

and to build fully automated luxury communism by voting for the Red Planet People's Party in the next election (it's really socdem but what alternative do we have?)

>muh matrioshka brain AIs and alcubierre drive are stupid porky fantasies

>masturbate about zizekbot v19.84 latest transmission and the impending collapse of the technocrapitalist solar empire

>can't actually masturbate to zizekbot v19.84 because reproduction is entirely controlled by the ruling class with genetic engineering so you don't even have genitals and will never seize the means of reproduction of a qt revolutionary martian gf and have low-g sex, you've only ever seen real human females in pirate VR.

>you think "it's no so bad, we still have freeze peach and the 20-hour workday" while sucking on an Emperor Trump's Freeze Peach lolipop and watching Star Twerk.

>die of a radiation burst at 26 because housing domes for lowly wageslaves don't have proper protective cladding due to corporate profiteering

>get corpse recycled into fertilizer for petite-bourgeois mine managers' nympho-slaves' gluten-free hydroponic salads.

>all because 21st century lefties couldn't into seizing advanced technology and prefer to fantasize about the early industrial past and dead (non-electronic) old men.

Why comrades, why?

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Is Doctor Who a show about egoism?

>Both the Doctor and the Master into the Untempered Schism and saw the entire Time Vortex, realizing that everybody who has ever existed and everybody who will ever exist means nothing in the grand scheme of reality

>The Master grasped that all morals and ethics were ultimately spooks, and concluded that he should freely pursue his own self-interest

>The Doctor reached the same conclusion as the Master, but instead redefined his self-interest as saving others and serving an imaginary higher cause (unaware that like the Master, he too is only fulfilling his desires for happiness or security)

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we wasted the great recession

the international left wasted time and energy supporting sterile guerrillas during the 90s, so we run out of a financial backround or support, and couldn't do anything when it could be truly useful, during the 2008 crisis.

we truly are in the worst timeline

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Why is Communism stateless? What is the point of this?

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Where is the /leftypol/ equivalent of the Young Pioneers?

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> The enemy of market system isn't some pot-smoking hirsute communistic hippie, but a suit wearing banker or Federal Reserve employee.

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/878566044650147840?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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>dude let's abolish hierarchy

>but women need to be slaves to their husbands lmao

What did he mean by this?

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I GIVE MY THANKS TO THE SOVIET TANKS

Tankie general. When did you become a tankie? Why? For me, it was when I realized that all the material crises of capitalism can only be solved by the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, and that the bourgeois class can only be eliminated with brutal repression.

If you aren't a tankie, you are a class traitor who wants to prolong capitalism for a sense of security. Fight us.

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>…From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

damn, this first shocked me when I heard it. why did Rowling decide to include Marx in her novels? it seemed so out of place.

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We all know that the 2010s is a shit decade and manages to make the 2000s better in every way.

What could make the 2020s much worse?

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the left are still working and acting as if we live in a capitalist state, and have not taken into account that capitalism has been replaced by managerialism, that neo liberalism has warped the left into being the exploiters. And that true leftism died at the fall of the Berlin wall. The right are fighting a battle against a left that doesn't exist anymore, the neocons i mean. And in fact have actually helped the neo liberals and managers expand and cement their power. But There are small groups of right wingers who can see this, very fringe, non mainstream. And in the managerial age the right, the spiritual, the traditional are the only ones mounting a response against a decadent managerial globalist age, and giving people purpose other than being a consumerist cog through Nation, god, people.

The left are the managers, the universities do not educate but produce the future managers of america, its why liberal thought is so prevalent on campus. The left can not respond to the managerial age because they are the managers.

religions who are against modernism and liberalism are threats to this system. Religions give people purpose other than consuming and form separate communities. Islam is prevalent because of its rejection of such things, but also because of cultural relativist liberals who refuse to force modernization and democracy on them. Were Islam goes wrong is that they attack and terrorize the proles and not the elite or managers or globalists

And this is why the right and Islam seem so powerful while the left is castrated

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What can we do to stop the techies?

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How are we supposed to gain traction with apolitical folks (the vast majority of Americans) when most of them have the attention span of a gerbil?

Every day, be it on social media or in real life, I see folks who lament various problems, but they never bother to investigate the reasons behind those problems. Perhaps the most egregious (and rage-inducing) example would be an FB vid that was making the rounds a few months back - It exposed how poor kids were getting literally shamed for not being able to afford school lunch, and spoke out against "lunch-shaming". Never mind the economic conditions and policies that led to that situation in the first place.

When I called people out on this shit (using the phrase "treating the symptoms rather than the disease"), they didn't even bother replying. Or if I'm talking to them face-to-face, they just give me a meek stare and shrug.

They are worse than rightists, these apoliticals. At least rightists make the effort to influence their government; apolitical people (mostly libs) are dissatisfied too, but they're cowed by the stigma associated with discussing politics. If socialism is ever to be established in America and elsewhere, this needs to change.

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Thoughts on the DSA?

Are they crytop-succdems or do they actually have some leftist philosophies?

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NAZBOL MEMES WORK!?

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Intersectionality is a liberal cancer

We need to purge intersectionality.

I'm sick of seeing it.

It needs to happen.

Let's do it.

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Shouldn't libs be tired of making the "but your smartphone" argument by now

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>milosevic

>a social democrat

soccdems actually destroyed yugoslavia…

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Soviet Cybernetics

It's recently come to my attention recently that there are people here interested in the attempts of various computer scientists to introduce cybernetic computerized planning (a model acceptable to most Marxists and anarchists) to the USSR, to improve efficiency and put control in the hands of the workers themselves. We can learn a lot from these pioneers of computerized socialism, seeing as our own society is basically run on the basis of computerized markets - it wouldn't be too big of a leap for most people to imagine democratic planning via computer networks. Besides, even FALC will need some basis for resource allocation.

The problem for Western readers, however, is simply the scarcity of the material in English. Slava Gerovich has published most articles on the matter, but beyond him, details are scarce.

With Google's recent implementation of deep-learning techniques in its translation service between Russian and English, however, it's now feasible to translate whole articles for the most part.

My actual ability to speak Russian is fairly limited in terms of vocabulary, but I've studied a lot of the grammar and verb prepositions. If there's a sentence which you think isn't translating right, I can try to figure it out for you. No guarantees, though.

Here's a good article from Slava, let's start digging up the sources and posting links to the original Russian ones if possible: http://web.mit.edu/slava/homepage/articles/Gerovitch-InterNyet.pdf

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>most of the country, even Dems, like Dubya now

Is this just time acting, or is it evidence that accelerationism doesn't work because you'll just push the whole country to the Right?

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Explain yourselves, Bookchinites!

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The Final Boss of Cultural Marxism

Where should I start? What do you recommend? What don't you recommend and why? Why is he such a cute manlet joo?

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Couldn't the Left in the United States win a lot of support and help long-term left-wing strategies if they focused more on the political structure of their country instead of only talking about socioeconomic issues?

You guys should push things like a two-turn election and the end of whatever bullshit pic related is into the conversation. And focus more on things like ending large private donations for campaigns.

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Nobody will have any incentive to work hard

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NAZBOL MEMES WORK!?

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support mugabe in his noble struggle against anglo imperialism

I thought the whole "tankies endorse third world dictators in the name of anti-imperialism" thing was just a joke but oh boy

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>dog genetics are important

>humans are more important than dogs

>human genetics are unimportant

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http://imgur.com/gallery/Wyrwe

> "Sweatshops are good and capitalism is the greatest force in the world."

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What does it meme?

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NAZBOL MEMES WORK!?

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Stop jerking off

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Sometimes I forget just how fucking stupid people who get an easy life can be.

ITT we devise ways to hypothetically fuck with internet capitalists like vid related.

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When did you outgrow ideology and realize that your identity was the best lense with which to view the world?

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Why are libertarians so ridiculous?

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Grenfell Tower, London: Major Incident Declared

Between 0000 and 0100 GMT this morning a fire broke out on the lower levels of a 24 storey tower block. The fire is believed to have been caused by an exploding fridge cooling unit. The layout of the apartments places the kitchen adjacent to the outside walls, which had recently been fitted with highly flammable insulation as part of a rejuvenation effort. It is thought that power surges caused by faulty wiring, which also caused a small fire in 2013, could have caused the fridge to explode, and may have damaged mains fire alarms earlier. By the time the fire alarms had begun to sound, a large section of the exterior wall was engulfed in flames. This was further exacerbated by a "stay still" fire drill order as the towers are supposed to be designed to isolate fires to each apartment for two hours, however the entire block was engulfed within four. By the time an evacuation order was issued, the fire had reached the staircase, which is also where the gas piping was housed.

Residents had formed a group to draw attention to these issues, fearing for their safety after the earlier fire. Eventually the landlords gagged their action group and they began to suspect it would take a major incident for people to notice. Sadiq Khan has been briefed to expect over 200 deaths.

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The Soviet is dead, long live the Sovcorp

What's the point in traditional communism when I can just buy $1000 of BTC and speculate with it until I've got $1000000 worth of crypto, with dividends from ICOs coming into my wallet every day, then use that money to buy a stake in a tech cooperative organized as a corporation with authority coming from the blockchain to buy realestate, build automated hydroponics/aeroponics warehouses and weaponized drone fleets which we can use to enforce our sovereignty, and to fund color revolutions and asymmetrical conflicts to destabilize orthodox nation states. In effect, using hypercapitalism and blockchain consensus from shareholders to escape the status quo wageslave grind and enslavement to the banks.

Many of us are doing this and are already half way there.

You would be too if you weren't so preoccupied with your Das Kapital group-think reading sessions. It's obsolete and will not be able to compete against sovereign corporations (these already exist, most large banks are sovereign corporations already, with their own land-rights, citizenship and police forces).

Nation states ruled by fiat are over and this century they will die off completely. Global government will be dead on arrival or exist only as a facade to dupe the masses into being robbed blind by the sovcorps. Social media is dead, and companies like Facebook, Google, and so on, despite trying to be be outwardly friendly to socialist causes, have no interest in them–they are only using the liberal employees they attract as their currency instead of crypto to trade themselves into sovcorp status.

What I'm trying to say is that if there is a future for communism, its within the boundaries of a sovereign corporation, and you should be satisfied with that if you're smart enough to create one before time runs out.

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Bob Black on antifa, thoughts? https://www.facebook.com/bob.black.77736/posts/10209033351982126?pnref=story

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Serious question

Why do leftists pretend to hate all religions equally but ignore that Islam is significantly worse and is incompatible with communism? I don't see why Buddhist meditation in the morning is just as harmful as Sharia.

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Tell me why Nazbols are wrong.

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>yfw

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Historical Materialism-Pseudoscience?

I recently saw this liberal video on conspiracy theories:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kJp8as4fE4&list=WL&index=305

They claim that Historical Materialism and Freud's theories are pseudoscience because they cannot be falsified.

Is this true? Do historical materialists have no predictable power?

If historical materialism cannot be falsified, what is an alternative scientific lens to view capitalism through?

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Wondering if anyone has read this book and if it's worth reading. Also your thoughts on Peter Joseph and TZM? Utopian? Has he even read Marx?

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Is Capital trying to tell us something?

> she is undertaking a strenuous effort to prove she isn’t the same frothy Katy Perry as before, making over her look, her music and her vocabulary. For 96 hours, timed to the album’s release, she spread that message of “unity and communication” via filibuster — a nonstop YouTube live stream called “Witness World Wide,” organized into segments (a therapy session, meditations, a cathartic chat with RuPaul) where the words “safe place” came up a lot and Ms. Perry worked out to her own album.

>“All the awards shows are fake,” she said, “and all the awards that I’ve won are fake,” she added, explaining that they don’t represent the audience. “They’re constructs.”

>“Every day when I think I know something, the universe shows me that I need to learn another lesson,” she told me in a Manhattan shared work space. “So I stand here today, more so than any other day, saying I know nothing. I literally know nothing.” (Ms. Perry often veers into platitudes, but she is consistent: During the live stream, she wore an “I Know Nothing” T-shirt for yoga, and the phrase is currently her Twitter bio.)

>“I feel very empowered,” she continued, “extremely liberated, liberated from the conditioning of the way I used to think, spiritually liberated, politically liberated, sexually liberated, liberated from things that don’t serve me.”

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could we have a "questions that don't deserve their own thread" thread? im a newfag, and coming from /pol/ to this place is really weird. i understand barely anything of what you're talking about.

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Zoophilia activist thread

>slaughtering animals is ok while having sex with them is now

Why?

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""""NEW"""" DEMOCRATS

Are the democrats learning all the wrong lessons from the recent elections?

http://archive.is/lLw8U

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Someone on twitter lied to a bunch of the pizzagate crowd about being a child sex slave at Comet Pizza to a grey haired one eyed man with an eye patch and they ate it up

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Build my virtual tankie empire

Someone knows a game/site something where I can give joy to my secret tankie side by building a communist empire?

Just a simulator of some sort

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why did the western countries in ww2 cooperate with the eastern countries, and not the axis against the easterners? were all three just stupid capitalist imperialists?

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Ben really is schizophrenic.

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Why does Trotskyism have such a large presence on the left, particularly online? It seems like every major Marxist publication is Trotskyist.

Honestly, I don't really know what to think of them. On the one hand, they promote orthodox Marxist theory, which is useful whatever your ideology, and defend the history of proletarian movements. But when it comes to modern organizations, their sectarianism and willingness to support bourgeois parties comes off as suspicious. What do you think of trots?

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What do the Canucks of Leftypol think about Rex Murphy?

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These fucking dumb ass shows

Do your parents also watch these stupid ass shows? What is the appeal the all these shows like wilkos, Maury show, Steve Harvey, all the similar shows in different countries? Fuck, they are so god damn stupid

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Al Raqqa is fully encircled

The YPG just fully encircled Al Raqqa. Now ISIS can’t send reinforcements.

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SWEDANISTAN YES

>Sweden is being torn to pieces by Muslim immigrants and refugees. Law enforcement is crying out for help, and it is only a question of time before the country will need military intervention from abroad in order to avoid a humanitarian catastrophe.

https://www.10news.one/sweden-on-the-brink-of-civil-war-national-police-chief-help-us-help-us/

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did she really commit suicide or was she murdered ?

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This is it. This is where Trump spins the whole Russia Hacking hysteria and moves from whining about it to asking Congress for more cyber-crime fighting powers. This is why the NSA and DISA administrators refused to give answers during their Senate testimony, Trump is about to bring home the bacon. And Democrats will have to eat it, and will have to eat him trashing Obama over it too otherwise they will come off as weak on Russia.

This is brilliant manipulation at work right here. Too bad the end result is a greatly increased police state.

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I'm lonely, I'm depressed to the core, all I do all day is browse internet, read some Cioran and watch pretty girls on youtube that will never be mine.

I don't know a single person who is interested in politics, history or philosophy, all they do is go clubbing, get drunk or listen to ghetto music. I can't get a single male friend, let alone a girlfriend.

Tell me, why I shouldn't give up on the fight at this point, when there's nothing to fight for?

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What do you think about Nassim Taleb?

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How would the government be formed in a socialist society?

I'm assuming most people here would support a legislative body with some kind of representation, but how would it be transformed to fit socialist goals? Would political parties be replaced by a kind of economic democracy, with associated worker's councils voting on policy and production plans?

I think we need to hash this out in detail, leftybros, because I only see vague ideas in most literature. Even if we achieve the perfect economic machinery and everyone is satisfied with production and distribution, any society would still have a million issues to decide.

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Do you listen to Chapo Trap house? I like the show except from their antisemitic attitude towards Israel.

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Study: Physically Weak Men More Likely To Be Socialists

Why are leftists weak little bitch boys? Is it because they're genetic defects who need to be purged from the gene pool?

http://archive.is/7dguU

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Just a reminder for if you ever feel hopeless

Just 300 years ago enlightenment ideas about republics, liberal democracy, universalism, capitalism, constitutions etc. were seen as unrealistic. Nobody would ever think they'd see the end of the aristocracy, the king is a god after all right?

And look how far we've come. Those same "loony" ideas have become standard and most countries have been built on those ideas (there are very few non-constitutional monarchies around)

the end of class, money and states is possible aswell, no matter how insane that sounds

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Gyertek, tegyünk rendet magyarchanon:

https://magyarchan.net/p/thread/15125/

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German Leftist media?

I've been learning German for nearly a year and I've yet to come across any explicitly leftist German media, i.e. fora, videos, articles, blogs, websites, etc. writen in German.

Finding academic stuff is pretty easy but, since I'm not from a German speaking country nor involved with German leftists, I'm not sure where to look.

Suggestions?

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Do you agree?

>The first thing that must strike any outside observer is that Socialism, in its developed form is a theory confined entirely to the middle classes. The typical Socialist is not, as tremulous old ladies imagine, a ferocious-looking working man with greasy overalls and a raucous voice. He is either a youthful snob-Bolshevik who in five years' time will quite probably have made a wealthy marriage and been converted to Roman Catholicism; or, still more typically, a prim little man with a white-collar job, usually a secret teetotaller and often with vegetarian leanings, with a history of Nonconformity behind him, and, above all, with a social position which he has no intention of forfeiting. This last type is surprisingly common in Socialist parties of every shade; it has perhaps been taken over _en bloc_ from the old Liberal Party. In addition to this there is the horrible–the really disquieting–prevalence of cranks wherever Socialists are gathered together. One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words 'Socialism' and 'Communism' draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure' quack, pacifist, and feminist in England. One day this summer I was riding through Letchworth when the bus stopped and two dreadful-looking old men got on to it. They were both about sixty, both very short, pink, and chubby, and both hatless. One of them was obscenely bald, the other had long grey hair bobbed in the Lloyd George style. They were dressed in pistachio-coloured shirts and khaki shorts into which their huge bottoms were crammed so tightly that you could study every dimple. Their appearance created a mild stir of horror on top of the bus. The man next to me, a commercial traveller I should say, glanced at me, at them, and back again at me, and murmured 'Socialists', as who should say, 'Red Indians'. He was probably right–the I.L.P. were holding their summer school at Letchworth. But the point is that to him, as an ordinary man, a crank meant a Socialist and a Socialist meant a crank. Any Socialist, he probably felt, could be counted on to have _something_ eccentric about him. And some such notion seems to exist even among Socialists themselves. For instance, I have here a prospectus from another summer school which states its terms per week and then asks me to say 'whether my diet is ordinary or vegetarian'. They take it for granted, you see, that it is necessary to ask this question. This kind of thing is by itself sufficient to alienate plenty of decent people. And their instinct is perfectly sound, for the food-crank is by definition a person willing to cut himself off from human society in hopes of adding five years on to the life of his carcase; that is, a person but of touch with common humanity.

Who's the first group to purge?

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>I hate white people, because they're all racist

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Stop using computers.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHk_8bkMQ2M

Anyone else watch Nihilism Supreme?

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Are there any leftypol journalists / news sites you like?

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Kek, Cucks, and God Emperor Trump: A Measurement Study of 4chan’s Politically Incorrect Forum and It

https://aaai.org/ocs/index.php/ICWSM/ICWSM17/paper/view/15670/14790

>someone did an academic paper on 4chan

lol

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liberals are stupid, again

Liberals are now going off and sucking off the NSA again

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.18d95d020a2b

To be clear I don't give any shits about Trump or Russia, but it's frustrating to watch people suck off the NSA like this because it reinforces their anti-Trump views. Which is ironic because in 3-6 months Trump will flip on this issue, blame Russia for everything, and demand Congress greenlight more powers to the NSA who will have a much greater ability to censor the web. Liberals aren't going to be so smug when the alphabet soup agencies they worshiped come for them. And when that happens, they won't have any option but to accept it or be a traitor to their party (Democrats and Obama, who is idolized in the above article) and their country. Some will choose that, and they'll be the first into the education camps. All of this is /pol/'s wet dreams coming true and it pisses me off.

It really is frustrating to watch, it reminds me of all the hysteria after 9/11 which led to the Patriot Act (which is how Trump is able to do his immigration crackdown). But, perhaps this is inevitable, people require myths and the whole hacking myth works well to justify a cyber crime crackdown.

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so why havent the workers of the world united yet

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Stop resisting American/European/Israeli imperialism.

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Natural Disaster Creating Community

I have a theory. Terrorist attacks no longer create bonds between communities to work for the better like 9/11, bonds that may work to our advantage or not. They create rivalries and tensions.

Catastrophic natural disasters, however, cause us to look at our own mortality, and not just our own mortality, but how the state and more importantly capital, respond to it. It truly starts becoming apparent after a hurricane or a tornado that capital and insurance, health or life or home, none of it is on the side of the people. With Trump cutting FEMA basically to non existence, and no head of FEMA yet taken position; what would happen if say, something worse than a hurricane or a tornado happened next week?

I'm talking a large scale West Coast earthquake, something that shows the terrible might of nature that needs to have instant human response to tackle it. Something like the predicted Northwest Earthquake that would cause massive tsunamis in Washington state and Oregon. Something predicted to be on the scale of Japan's 2011 earthquake, something absolutely powerful, mighty, and devastating. Ending perhaps more than just thousands of lives. Devastation America has not seen in a very long time.

It would create bond between hundreds of communities that would be forgotten by the government and capital, by healthcare, by help, by anything. The persecution of the masses would not only be by nature, but by market. This would create farthest leftist unity where there was none prior, people would see that the market truly cannot respond to the needs of the many.

Something on this scale as it stands would be worse than Bush with Katrina.

So, what do you think, should natural disasters be taken advantage of by us to spread our message, or could the media fold back and say we were taking advantage of a tragedy? Would the media response even matter at that point, as people would have nowhere to go?

I feel like Earth's response to us is the only thing that brings us together, be it instinct or logical response. As natural disasters increase, is there hope communities can reform towards something beyond what we currently are offered?

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Started getting interested in socialism and got this, am I accepted around here? What do you think?

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I finally understand why ancaps are undebatable and why it always seems to go in circles when debating them. Their view of capitalism strawmans the positive aspects of capitalism. When you criticize capitalism, they claim you are strawmanning them. They cherry pick capitalism in such a narrow way that any thing negative is considered strawmanning. They position themselves in such a way where they can never be wrong. It's pointless to debate them because their terms are fallacious and one sided.

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communist party of canada starts a low income housing program in gentrified ontario

http://www.housingforpeople.communistpartyontario.ca

thoughts ?

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/peak neoliberalism/

so leftypol, you're gonna honestly tell me you didn't enjoy the 90's?

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Which team are you on?

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Bernie and Jane Sanders, under FBI investigation for bank fraud, hire lawyers

https://archive.is/qc9Wv

According to Politico, prosecutors might also be looking into allegations that Sen. Sanders' office inappropriately urged the bank to approve the loan.

Burlington attorney and Sanders supporter Rich Cassidy has reportedly been hired to represent Sen. Sanders. And high-profile Washington defense attorney Larry Robbins, who counseled Libby "Scooter" Robbins, former Chief of Staff for the Vice President, is protecting Jane Sanders.

Ms. Sanders' push for the liberal arts college's costly land acquisition was cited in a press release by the college when it shut down in 2016.

tl;dr Porky won't leave him alone.

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Lads, Jezza is fucking working the crowds completely mad at Glastonbury, he's being treated like a fucking rock star, people are begging him to sign autographs. He's giving speeches, he's serving booze, he's making the crowd scream and cheer. Nobody is booing him, out of all the people there, it's nothing but cheering

He's a proper demigod now.

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What do y'all think of Ted? I was reading some of his stuff beyond his manifesto, and I think he is interesting though I disagree with him in plenty of respects.

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/worldwar3/

This will be a general for everything and anything regarding the coming clash of imperialist powers. Any news or analysis you come across or write yourself should be posted here.

What is meant by the coming clash of imperialist powers is a war on the scale of WW1 and WW2, with the primary actors being the governments and top capitalists of the USA, Russia, the EU, and their various allies in the Middle East.

This conflict is likely to occur for several reasons, with the predominant ones being that as capitalism creates monopolies in the business and military, these monopolies will eventually clash. War serves several functions for the ruling class, but a world war's primary purpose is to settle which business-nation-state's ruling elite will control the great resources and geography of the world for the next century or so.

Some news to kick off discussion:

Two articles from the WSWS (>inb4 "TROT!" I'm not I just think WSWS has good geopolitical analysis, I could give a fuck about the SEP)

European Union summit agrees to "historic" military buildup:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/06/24/euro-j24.html

>Already at the beginning of the month, the EU agreed to establish a joint command centre for civilian and military operations and provide the European Commission with a multi-billion euro defence fund. A summit paper entitled “Conclusions of the European Council on security and defence” welcomed this step “and expects its swift utilisation.” The goal is to build a “competitive, innovative […] European defence industry.”

>The aim of the measures is to develop the EU into an aggressive great power capable, when required, to intervene militarily and wage war independently of NATO and the United States.

Saudi Arabia issues provocative ultimatum to Qatar:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/06/24/saud-j24.html

>The demands, which were published yesterday, are a calculated provocation, which, as Saudi Arabia and its allies understand only too well, will almost certainly be rejected. According to the Associated Press (AP), Qatar’s neighbours are insisting that their demands are a bottom line—that is, non-negotiable—and are warning of further penalties beyond the existing restrictions on air, sea and land routes.

>At the top of the list of demands is for Qatar to end relations with Iran, which Saudi Arabia regards as it chief rival for regional dominance. The ultimatum calls for Qatar to scale back diplomatic ties with Iran, close Iranian diplomatic missions in Qatar, expel members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, cut military and intelligence cooperation with Iran and wind back trade and commerce with Iran.

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Anti-Antifa is stepping up their game.

You can't beat the ultimate /pol/ Chad.

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Is this the Das Kapital of our generation?

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hoho

haha

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Retaking pixelgrad

Brazil is weak and we have been gaining momentum since last night

If you choose to be interested now is a good time to take back what is ours anyways

http://pixelcanvas.io/@-465,-421

>inb4 a bunch of faggots bitch about wanting to rather do nothing at all ever.

Just drop your pixels, faggots

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White people becoming a minority?

Discuss

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The Election is fucking over good god

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>left-wing philosophy and economics

>widely available online, often published under permissive licenses or distributed freely

>right-wing philosophy and economics

>published in elite journals, hard to find

Sometimes I think the availability of literature is argument enough for communism. I study analytic philosophy and it's shameful how many seminal works in the field are exclusively available as articles that cost 50$ decades after being published. And of course the journals themselves can cost several hundred. Academia sucks In capitalism.

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Let's be honest, Christianity is cancer

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Why the fuck do people put up with work? It's the biggest bullshit ever. It's supposed to be 8 hours, but you will have to commute, prepare for work, and sometimes work overtime… And after all that you get home, totally drained of energy and suicidal… Doing this for 40+ years? Are people insane?

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Julian Assange Is Warning Democrats of Their Fate

Julian Assange predicts the Democrat party is doomed. He may be correct, however more importantly he notes how anons here can capitalize on this. Similar situation happened in France not long ago with their corrupt Democratic establishment, a new one was born and eventually the old guard were no match for the new Democratic party.

https://archive.fo/I84O9

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spvqcj

"The Democratic base should move to start a new party since the party elite shows no signs that they will give up power. This can be done quickly and cheaply as a result of the internet and databases of peoples' political preferences. This reality is proven in practice with the rapid construction of the Macron, Sanders and Trump campaigns from nothing. The existing Democratic party may well have negative reputational capital, stimulating a Macron-style clean slate approach. Regardless, in the face of such a threat, the Democratic establishment will either concede control or, as in the case of Macron, be eliminated by the new structure."

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what's the origin of the leftcom flag on here? what was it associated with historically?

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NEED HELP CONVERTING ANCAP FRIEND

One of my good friends has just become an AnCap, what do I do to make sure he doesn't go full Fascist and help me get into Socialism (as a former AnCap I want to have him follow the same thing). Give me literature that doesn't directly make itself sound Communist since he's an American and had starch Cold War anti-communist parents so Communist Manifesto is a big no go.

Also, nothing please that directly insults his ideology or else he'll just lock down and shut out any evidence that happens to contradict Capitalism.

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Can someone tell me what's going on here? What political ideologies reside here?

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>right and wrong are spooks

>being spooked is wrong

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I was born on a Dublin street where the Royal drums do beat

And the loving English feet they tramped all over us,

And every night when me father'd come home tight

He'd invite the neighbors outside with this chorus:

Oh, come out you black and tans,

Come out and fight me like a man

Show your wives how you won medals down in Flanders

Tell them how the IRA made you run like hell away,

From the green and lovely lanes in Killashandra.

Come let me hear you tell

How you slammed the great Pernell,

When you fought them well and truly persecuted,

Where are the smears and jeers

That you bravely let us hear

When our heroes of sixteen were executed.

Oh, come out you black and tans…

Allen, Larkin, and O'Brien–

How you bravely called them swine!

Robert Emmett who you hung and drew and quartered!

High upon that scaffold high,

How you murdered Henry Joy!

And our Croppy Boys from Wexford you did slaughter!

Oh, come out you black and tans…

The day is coming fast

And the time is here at last,

When each yeoman will be cast aside before us,

And if there be a need

Sure my kids wil sing, "Godspeed!"

With a verse or two of Steven Beehan's chorus.

Oh, come out you black and tans…

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YouTube comments

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what do you think about this guy?

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>tfw Socialist paradise is so good you have to build walls to keep capitalists out

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Anyone else a bit scared of the unrestrained advancement of technology?

Automation removing the need of work and transhumanism sound cool, but there's something that doesn't feel right to me about extreme leisure and the obsolescence of humanity.

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72 firefighters, 10 engines tackle apartment block blaze in east London

72 firefighters, 10 engines tackle apartment block blaze in east London

https://www.rt.com/uk/393950-london-fire-bethnal-green/

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So you know how christfags and fascists have book burnings and feminists have bra burnings? We should have bootstrap burnings so that we can let Porky know we will no longer be succumbing to his tyranny.

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Right wing SJWS had a melt down over a Shakespearean play depicting Donald Trump as Julius Caesar being stabbed to death, even though the same play was done in the same venue during Obama's term depicting Obama as the victim of the murder, and the left nor the right made any fuss about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nzylJLEMMo

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You are presented a button.

If you press it, the revolution comes BUT it will be deeply identitarian and reactionary.

Would you?

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Do you guys still believe this world can be saved?

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Daily Theory Thread

What are you studying, /leftypol/?

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Are Hideo Kojima's games a contribution to leftism?

His writing seems to come very strongly from a Hegelian viewpoint. The climax to MGS3 ends with a monologue on the conflict between Communism and Capitalism, and that hitherto neither ideology has really reached a final synthesis.

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LTV questions

I don't get how commodities having use values that aren't comparable to each other refutes the marginalist theory of value.

The value of something according to that theory is derived from the subjective judgement of all individuals in society on how useful it is to them in their current situation, not the objective uses of the commodities themselves.

How do Marxists counter this assertion?

pic totally unrelated, though it should still be done.

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Let's make Yugioh communist.

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The Freemasonry

Does /leftypol/ has any particular stance on the Freemasonry and other secret organisations of the sort like the Bilderbergs?

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Why is everyone on the Left always talk about "organizing" but you never see any organizing being done?

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ironic anti-hibernianism/anti-papism

Why is it such a trend among leftists? It's not just this board. Chapo does it all the time too. Did we invent it, or does it come from elsewhere?

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Trolling Ancaps Pt. 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4iZueCbfs.

Syndie anon from the previous raids here. Pls troll this stream. We've done it two times before and done so well. We can't give up our winning streak here.

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Why does Zizek have a fetish with Stalin, and always speak ill of Marxism-Leninism?

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NEETs are not my comrades. A NEET is not part of the working class because they dont work. They don't and can't contribute anything to the struggle. They dont contribute anything to their community or their society. A NEET leaches off his fellow workers (benefiting from their labor via taxes) whether those workers are his parents or his siblings or just his fellow citizens in general.

NEETs who subscribe to leftist thought have this idea that socialism means they be able to live comfortable lives without working. This is not true. You will still be required to work sometimes even long hours except this time you won't have your surplus labour extracted by the capitalist.

Socialism revolves around work

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Is there a better cure for communism than estrogen?

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HAPPENING IN VENEZUELA

Leopoldo Lopez being tortured, screaming for his wife to make people know:

>https://twitter.com/leopoldolopez/status/878361763934216195

#URGENTE: Leopoldo grita desde Ramo Verde. Denuncio que a Leopoldo lo están torturando. Por favor RT/ LT

Transcript:

>Lilian: LEEEOOOOO

>Leopoldo: LILIAAAAN!!! THEY'RE TORTURING MEEEE!!! DENOUNCE IT!!! DENOUNCE IT!!!

>Leopoldo: LILIAN!!! DENOUNCE IT!!!

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this kills the anarchist

Anarchists, please refute Marx, Engels, and Lenin on the issue of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Protip: you can't. Please read The State and Revolution before posting. (Since anarchists can't read, they won't be able to respond).

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Would you rather have a Tanky or a NazBol gf?

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Orange county

I live in orange and it's probably the most terrible place for a young person to live. If you don't own a car then you are pretty much stuck in the house. There's no countryside or city areas to walk around in. There's nothing to do here unless you have money. No actual leftist organizations. Huge divide between rich and poor. No matter what I do I can't seem to escape here. If I take a walk anywhere I feel uncomfortable existing as a human without a car. The only public transportation is the bus which takes longer than riding a bike. People here are the most class cucked you'll find. Is it this bad everywhere in the US?

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Holy shit, apparently Zuck can sit down and chat casually with both young hip hop-listening urbanite and old white man using the US flag as a piece of clothing.

I hope this dude runs for president, we need someone down-to-earth who understands all the different demographics like that.

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GIMME YOUR BEST JIMMY DORES

GIMME

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Time machine scenario

Alright /leftypol/ let's say you have a time machine and could visit two destinations in time (the second trip is the return trip but you can choose to stay in one time period). What years/locations would you go to, would you do anything change the past (like kill Baby Hitler), and how do you think it would alter the future (say Rosa Luxembourg is successful in Bavarian Socialist Republic now).

I want serious answers from this

(Unrelated image for your Discord use)

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I understand the universal hatred the left has for Trotsky, but if I might ask, why do you hate Trotsky?

For me, that would be killing the Free Territory

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USSR

Would the modern left be stronger if the USSR where still around

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List of demands to Qatar

Saudi Arabia &co. issue list of demands to Qatar:

1) Scale down diplomatic ties with Iran and close the Iranian diplomatic missions in Qatar, expel members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard and cut off military and intelligence cooperation with Iran. Trade and commerce with Iran must comply with US and international sanctions in a manner that does not jeopardise the security of the Gulf Cooperation Council.

2) Immediately shut down the Turkish military base, which is currently under construction, and halt military cooperation with Turkey inside of Qatar.

3) Sever ties to all "terrorist, sectarian and ideological organisations," specifically the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIL, al-Qaeda, Fateh Al-Sham (formerly known as the Nusra Front) and Lebanon's Hezbollah. Formally declare these entities as terror groups as per the list announced by Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE and Egypt, and concur with all future updates of this list.

4) Stop all means of funding for individuals, groups or organisations that have been designated as terrorists by Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Bahrain, US and other countries.

5) Hand over "terrorist figures," fugitives and wanted individuals from Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt and Bahrain to their countries of origin. Freeze their assets, and provide any desired information about their residency, movements and finances.

6) Shut down Al Jazeera and its affiliate stations.

7) End interference in sovereign countries' internal affairs. Stop granting citizenship to wanted nationals from Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and Bahrain. Revoke Qatari citizenship for nationals where such citizenship violates those countries' laws.

8) Pay reparations and compensation for loss of life and other financial losses caused by Qatar's policies in recent years. The sum will be determined in coordination with Qatar.

9) Align Qatar's military, political, social and economic policies with the other Gulf and Arab countries, as well as on economic matters, as per the 2014 agreement reached with Saudi Arabia.

10) Cease contact with the political opposition in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt and Bahrain. Hand over files detailing Qatar’s prior contact with and support for opposition groups, and submit details of their personal information and the support Qatar has provided them.

11) Shut down all news outlets funded directly and indirectly by Qatar, including Arabi21, Rassd, Al Araby Al Jadeed, Mekameleen and Middle East Eye, etc.

12) Agree to all the demands within 10 days of list being submitted to Qatar, or the list will become invalid.

13) Consent to monthly compliance audits in the first year after agreeing to the demands, followed by quarterly audits in the second year, and annual audits in the following 10 years.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/arab-states-issue-list-demands-qatar-crisis-170623022133024.html

Al Jazeera's Hashem Ahelbarra said the list is "definitely going to be rejected by Qatar". "Qatar has said it will only look into the demands once the sanctions are lifted," he said, adding that Qatar had already said that closing Al Jazeera was off the table.

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Richard Spencer confirmed for Duginite

Saw a thread about this on /pol/ and thought I'd bring it to your attention.

This image is from his website. Here's the link:

http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2014/6/23/why-the-conservative-movement-needs-dugin

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How come Che Guevera t-shirts are so popular here in New York City?

I understand that he's good-looking, but do these people actually care about leftism?

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Conservativism will save the left

>It would help enormously, for instance, if the smell of crankishness which still clings to the Socialist movement could be dispelled. If only the sandals and the pistachio-coloured shirts could be put in a pile and burnt, and every vegetarian, teetotaller, and creeping Jesus sent home to Welwyn Garden City to do his yoga exercises quietly! But that, I am afraid, is not going to happen.

>Road to Wigan Pier. George Orwell

We should purge """""lefty"""" idpol and convert conservatives.

Again why we are so against conservativism? """"Progress"""" doesn't create cuties

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CANT SCREW THE RUHE

What did he mean by this?