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I'm not claiming I've been here as long as others by any metric, I'm just saying I'm not immediatly new. I've been on imageboards and boards like /tg/ since 2011 though

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>Honeybees make decisions collectively–and democratically. Every year, faced with the life-or-death problem of choosing and traveling to a new home, honeybees stake everything on a process that includes collective fact-finding, vigorous debate, and consensus building. In fact, as world-renowned animal behaviorist Thomas Seeley reveals, these incredible insects have much to teach us when it comes to collective wisdom and effective decision making. A remarkable and richly illustrated account of scientific discovery, Honeybee Democracy brings together, for the first time, decades of Seeley's pioneering research to tell the amazing story of house hunting and democratic debate among the honeybees.

>In the late spring and early summer, as a bee colony becomes overcrowded, a third of the hive stays behind and rears a new queen, while a swarm of thousands departs with the old queen to produce a daughter colony. Seeley describes how these bees evaluate potential nest sites, advertise their discoveries to one another, engage in open deliberation, choose a final site, and navigate together–as a swirling cloud of bees–to their new home. Seeley investigates how evolution has honed the decision-making methods of honeybees over millions of years, and he considers similarities between the ways that bee swarms and primate brains process information. He concludes that what works well for bees can also work well for people: any decision-making group should consist of individuals with shared interests and mutual respect, a leader's influence should be minimized, debate should be relied upon, diverse solutions should be sought, and the majority should be counted on for a dependable resolution.

>An impressive exploration of animal behavior, Honeybee Democracy shows that decision-making groups, whether honeybee or human, can be smarter than even the smartest individuals in them.

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i figured it out by the way

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/leftypol/ seriously needs to step up its game in creating informative content that can be used for reusable refutations of /pol/ and other anticommunist propaganda. However, most people are not graphic designers and don't know how to make infographics that are attractive, readable, and well-organized (myself included). In order to make good graphic designs accessible to the wider /leftypol/ population, I'm calling on all artists on /leftypol/ to help contribute to a free and open source infographic tool kit and design guide. We should make it in the .xcf file format compatible with GIM, or Inkscape so that it is usable by the widest range of people for free, and doesn't phone home to Adobe.



Here is a starter file:


As well, I intend to use a custom CSS for this board. Our goals should be for it to be unobtrusive and simple, and for it to convey the same information that the default CSS does. People are welcome to suggest CSS rules for /leftypol/ to make it look better.

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I like the text-only aesthetic

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>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

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Are you the guy with the ThinkPad and tail buttplug or does your de setup just look similar?


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Who would like to discuss legal recognition of feminine men and masculine women as separate genders? I think it would solve the transgender rights issue, personally.


stop posting this shit, nobody cares



Gender is a spook.


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Did you steal this from r9k?




No thats a fucking retarded idea. Just abolish legal gender, it serves no purpose.

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>tfw you realize Devo is literally fascist

what the fuck, I loved this shit when I was a kid.

>song lyrics "ironically" themed around genocide and ethnic cleansing (through being cool)

>whole band concept is based around opposing genetic "degeneracy" (de-evolution)

>bizarre racist shit about mongoloids, chinamen, and racemixing

>named a song "Triumph of the Will"

>Mothersbaugh wrote an entire book called "My Struggle" (mein kamph) with a red book cover to make fun of Mao

>other band member made a shitty anti-Iranian satire album

Have nerds always been doing this "ironic" (not ironic) fascist shit?

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how the hell is ironic fascism liberal?



what are you even talking about?



None of this has anything to do with fascism. Read a book.



Metal is super nerdy. A good part of the genre is basically rock'n roll influenced by classical music and lord of the rings.



So? Who gives a fuck. Their first album was GOAT.

Should I ignore a masterpiece because the creators are not leftist?

This is why I don't come here anymore

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Are you an individualist or a collectivist, comrades?

It's a yes or no question.

Why? Why not?

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>question that cant be answered with yes or no

>its a yes or no question

Low quality bait



It is a yes or no question. If you consider yourself to be in the category of collectivist, or the category of individualist you respond yes. If you don't consider yourself in those categories you respond no. Nurotypicals BTFO.



I'll actually answer.

Probably more of an individualist, honestly. As a collective, people are almost objectively shit. You look at all human love and compassion, and right next to that you have the holocaust.

Individuals on the other hand, I can tolerate, even enjoy and appreciate. You can have a sort of "great person" and a "bad person". Society will always be disappointing, on the other hand.



Bourgeois "Individualist" ideology decoded:

"The Individual" = The bourgeois class

"The Collective/Group" = The proletarian class


Individualism on free time

Collectivist at work.

Don't confuse personal property with private property.

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How come Maoism even exists at this point…like at all?

Like in Peru and south america arguably the area where Maoist Peoples war techniques were used the most and to the most effect…

Even there with the rare exception of a place like Nicaragua it would almost universally result in failure with the Guerrillas either surrendering to the goverment after decades (FARC) or devolving into outright drug gangs (Shining Path)

Should Maoist Revolutionary Organizational and Political concepts even be tolerated when they have shown to be almost universally ineffective when implemented?

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good post. now we just need to teach more priests about marx



Elaborate. What did Mao get wrong about it?



The negation of the negation is the entire mechanism by which opposites are unified and quantity turns into quality.

Dialectics literally doesn't make any sense without it.



Yeah I got that. As much of a pseud as he is, Anal Water did a good job BTFOing Mao. Mao's "dialectics" never sublate. They never transcend. It's just one side over another and the winning side moves on to a different contradiction.


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>TBH Maoism is pretty shitty if you live in the 1st world. It's not like most western countries have a sizeable peasant population.

Misconceptions About Maoism

1. Maoists are only concerned with peasant revolution.

This is probably the most common argument levelled against maoists at the centres of capitalism, a claim that keeps being despite all attempts on the part of maoists to argue otherwise. For when people think of Mao Zedong and the Chinese Revolution, the first thing that pops into their heads––if they aren't reactionaries [see below] is the large-scale peasant movements, the Long March, and the belief that when some of us talk of a "Peoples' War" we are interested in mobilizing the peasantry. Clearly this allows our critics to dismiss us out-of-hand because, obviously, there is no peasantry in Canada, or the United States, or Western Europe, or etc. Clearly there is no social class at the centres of capitalism that qualifies as the peasantry and so, if maoism is just a peasant marxism, then it wouldn't make any sense.

So let me say it again: we maoists are not primarily concerned with a universal peasantry that we believe exists in every country. When some of us speak of the importance of Mao's theory of protracted peoples war and its applicability to our social contexts we are not imagining a scenario where we will disappear into the hills with some active and over-exploited peasantry similar to the peasantry that exists in China. Nor do we believe migrant workers, rural labourers, let alone farmers at the centres of capitalism count as a peasant class. We generally believe that peasants only exist at the peripheries of global capitalism, in semi-feudal societies, and not at the imperial centres. Good lord, I don't know how many times I have to say this! Stop telling me that I believe in some non-existent Canadian peasantry––I don't live in a bubble.

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So i'm a marxist-leninist and would like to look more into anarchism and maybe become one of you. I've read the Conquest of Bread and Mutual Aid but that's it. To my knowledge, revolutionary Catalonia and Nestor Makhno's Free Territory of Ukraine weren't stateless, but prove me wrong. I don't see a state as desirable but necessary in order to achieve communism for a number of reasons but specifically to distribute resources efficiently, protect us from invaders and counter revolution, and to establish new societal norms. But if you guys think statelessness would do these things (and other things) just as good or even better please, let me know.

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It seems to me that at the very least there would be a hierarchy of military power. Whoever has the guns has to be trusted to act in accordance with the will of the people.



They are oppressive thats the point so that we dont get invaded or thrown over by counter revolution.


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Perhaps the matter best be.. LEFT unconvinced. Maybe you are to drift somewhere between authoritarianism and libertarianism.

Nowadays I wonder if anarchism wouldn't also be a result or part of late stage communism, as insane or ridiculous as it may sound.

One thing I do am certain of is that whatever the case, we'd best focus on changing people into a humanity or family worth nurturing.

Whether so they know how to cherish and preserve their freedom, metaphorically how to reap what they sow, perhaps show them how to make use of dialectics in their own elaborations, even in that very choice of what to sow.

If you see communism or anarchism as ideals, it'd be only reasonable to pursue them and use as a sort of ever developing guideline.

In either case, they'd eventually have to learn how to think for oneself. But to leave at that would be foolish, so we need to teach them of compassion and understanding so their minds do not stray onto needless persecution. They cannot grow docile either and need the spirit to fend for themselves, especially in these times, so they need to acknowladge their own authority, ideals and values to that of government or their superioirs. But then what of their fellow folk? They cannot dispute everything in a warmongering fashion. And so on and so forth..

There's a golden mean to everything, if not a couple alternative ones.

And although we drift between mentioned authority and liberty, I don't see why either wouldn't strive for their ideals, whether through means of education, collaboration, indoctrination or propaganda. I can't help but think on emphasizing a golden mean, balance doesn't necessarily equate to even distribution, in this case of values. And considering the nature of things it'd only make sense to balance depending on the times, circumistances and needs. So that raises the old question of whether ends justify the means.. perhaps that too best be left considered case to case.


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hi commrades

from which discord's server this thing is coming from ?


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ITT: movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting, etc.

This is a voluntary thread that users can choose to post in, if… I forgot the rest of whatever the old OP was. Honestly, I just wanted to bring this old thread back.

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I love Victoria 2


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>Do you think that the looming threat of commodification would push a community more to the left? Or would the community have to already harbor anti-capitalist sentiments in order to recognize the threat?

/jp/ is a peculiar case, in that it specifically reveled in and upheld its own alienation as preferable to anything normal society has to offer. I would imagine that the latter is the case (since it's way easier to make the threat of capitalism more tangible when it's connected to the values and products of a community) but even nominally anti-capitalist communities have swung hard towards capitalism. See silicon valley, which had roots in the hippie movement.

Rather than move a community as a whole to the left, I think it's much more effective to take the threat or ongoing commodification of a community's culture and use that as a wedge to agitate. Make them understand that capitalism will chew up what they cherish and spit it out when it's done with it, like cheap bubblegum. This ideally keeps a firewall between the culture of the target community and left politics. You want to recruit leftists who also happen to be doujin readers, VN translators, anime fans and rom hackers. You don't want people to just absorb "leftism" into their grab bag of cultural signifiers that make up their identity. The former looks outward toward socialism and what they can do to help achieve it, the latter looks inward to their own community and how they can browbeat other community members into sharing their newfound cultural identity as a leftist.


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…oh my dayz


This one actually made me chuckle.


>Small town living is hell and I need out.

How small are we talking here?


It's because intellectuals such as Jordan "The Divine Comedy is not art" Peterson keep spreading it.


>Emma Watson is a great example of this. Didn't she go on and on about how guys don't share their feelings because they are afraid of being seen as "weak" and then shortly after talk about how she dislike british guys because they aren't as "manly" or whatever?

…for real? I doubt she actually said it like that.


I stopped caring about Star Wars when they announced the new ones (probably because I'm just a contrarian)



80% me

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Questions that don't deserve their own thread:

I have to read Freakonomics for an econ 101 class and I have basically zero prior understanding of modern economics excluding some basic on LTV and entry level Marxism. What's your opinion on the book. I usually hear some liberals shilling this book so is it any good or just liberal bs.

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Class is a social relation, not an indicator of wealth.



I know, but doesn't wealth indicate a potential for social relation? I.e. I can become a porky at any moment I want, stop being porky, and then back again.




or like take shareholders for example of industrial firms, or financial magnates that don't actually have any control over MoP but can influence politics and so on.



Lower your standards, Jesus Christ.



What does socialism actually change for someone who work in public administration?

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Can someone other than Anal Water explain this shit in a language normies can understand, why it's important for DiaMat and also why Mao rejected it? I asked Jason Unruhe about it in a DM on Twitter months ago but all he did was link to some article by the LLCO which didn't explain shit.

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Mao never read Hegel. Your narrative is highly flawed.



This is the best bait I've seen here in weeks.



Here's your (you), that was some damn good bait.



>Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis, as Hegel would have envisioned it.

fichte made that, not hegel

>The reason why Mao rejected it was because he wanted to be an edgy realist who got rid of Marxism's Hegelian roots.

he never read Hegel, your statement applies more to althusser


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How can a lefty exploit this to their advantage? Is it too soon to try? DOW down about 1000 points since Thursday.


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(Euronext is Holland)




wouldn't get too excited just yet, its not really bloody until its a 900-1000 point drop


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past 200


Four and a half hours until NYSE opens, futures keeps dropping.


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Russia on steady decline.


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