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>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

>I'm not a leftist can I post here?

/leftypol/ welcomes debate from non-leftists. Non-leftists frequently come here to ask questions and raise topics for debPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Is that Ed Milliband?

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Complain here, we're not obligated to care (but we most certainly do because we love you guys very much).



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There is another /pol/ pony raid going on.


Official /leftypol/ reading list

In this thread, various members of the community have listed recommended literature regarding leftism, i.e. economics, political theory, philosophy and other subjects related to leftism. Some recommendations are for starters, or for those in advanced literature.


/Leftypol/ has many ideologies, Marxist, Anarchist, Left-com, etc. so there is a variety of different literature with different viewpoints.

Reading literature is recommended, as it helps you understand leftism better and is much better than reading Wikipedia synopses.

Various assortment of historical and biographical works.


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Or rather become perceived as a a leftist postion?

I have a hard time understanding this. Where I'm from liberalism is regarded as rightwing or centrist (when it comes to social-liberals).

Help me out here burgers.

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Yeah, thanks for your shitty-ass culture industry, burgers.



It thankfully hasn't become that bad here yet, but >>2011735 might have a point I suppose (although rudely phrased).


Pig disgusting-pony genocide best day of my life


Because it's the hegemonic ideology, the ignored backdrop and assumption of all political discussion. Both Republicans and Democrats are liberals, and there's nobody else. So their little differences are represented as fundamental ones, and their false opposition as the whole spectrum of politics.


I'm not American, and not too familiar with their political system and its history, but I believe it is both the result of the Cold War and the 80s neoliberal turn.

The Red Scare and McCarthyism most notably destroyed the SPA and CPUSA. By the late 50s, the SPA stopped running presidential candidates, and the CPUSA "membership had dwindled to less than 10,000, of whom some 1,500 were informants for the FBI" (according to Wikipedia).

People were scared to come out as communists, as they could be fired from their jobs, receive a visit from the FBI, etc. I guess it was necessary for the USA in order to straighten the opposition between the two blocs, and it made everyone forget the American history of socialism in the process.

Then the 80s neoliberal turn was, in retrospect, a turn to the right for the whole Western bloc. I think it made the general expectations of how radical the left should be quite lower, as basic Keynesian policies became suddenly deemed as "unrealistic" and "unpractical" by the professional apologists of Thatcher and Reagan.

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>"I heard you support palestine over us. Is that true anon?? :("

You're a real handsome, has anybody told you this today, anon :3

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How is that true? Working out doesn't change your face. I see plenty of ugly fit people.



When the fuck did I say that?

I have a job, I pay rent. I'm just being honest with myself and admitting that I'm ugly.



Being ugly is not an identity. Just how having a depressive disorder does not mean you are "objectively a depressed person". Beauty is in the eye of beholder. People like George Clooney are 0.01% of population, they are not a good example to compare yourself against.


Becoming fit can change your facial aesthetics. Seen enough before/after pics to claim this.



It can only make your face less fat. If you have a really weak chin, a giant nose and a really pronounced brow, none of that's gonna change even if you starve yourself to death whilst working the gym 24/7.



>really weak chin, a giant nose and a really pronounced brow

<what is plastic surgery

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Can we get a fashy hate thread going?

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trump isn't a fascist he's a neoliberal









lol white knights so fragile.

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would you vote for her?

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>we are champions of free speech

>we allow both sides to share their opinions equally

>/pol/ isnt a safe space for neo nazis







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Back to your safe space whining faggot



>Leftist censorship is what ruined it. That and reddit.

We aren't SJW/Libtards, They are reactionary who need to be cleaned up.



interplay fallout = best fallout



What, 4chan isn't owned by hiroyuki anymore ?


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:/ wuz up wit dat

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viva la raza fuck that gringo marx .

jajajajajajajajaja look at the gringo get knock out.


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>From book related



chingon le metieron ese vergazo a ese liberal


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This tbqh



Idc if Karl Marx was racist cuz the argument for communism isn't a moral argument anyways :)

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Hello /leftypol/. Given the recent financial market instability let's have a hypothetical discussion about what we would do if we had the chance to re-live the 2008 Global Financial Crisis, Occupy Wallstreet, European anti-austerity riots and so fourth.

Let's say your goal is in order to form a revolutionary proletarian mass movement out of it.

Here are a few potential talking points and questions:

1. Can a vague anti-establishment and anti-wallstreet mass movement like OWS ever be turned into a world-historical revolutionary conjuncture

2. How could 'progressive stack' and other indecision systems be gamed to turn them into decision systems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_stack

3. What would you do actually radicalize OWS

4. How would you propagandize when the bourgeois media hegemony is considered?

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this is what /leftypol/ actually believes.

The DSA is on its way to 30,000 members and developing leaders and turning libs into socdems and socdems into communists, PSL, WWP, IWW, etc are experiencing expansion alongside local grassroots leftist organizations. There is a socialist culture developing and being built by our IRL comrades every day and /leftypol/ has no idea who their local organizers of note are.

The revolution will leave you behind.



DSA are red liberals. However IWW are always based.



>replace all bourgeois elected officials with those who will be subservient to the unions

>literally keep the same political structure just with different people lmao


If I could go back to do something with the crisis of 2008, I'd go back to before 2008 - build the revolutionary party ready for the crisis. The problem with the public reaction to 2008 was that it had no point of reference, no organization, no leadership. People rioting in the streets with anti-capitalist sentiment will fizzle and die if there is not already in place an organ ready to wield that power. Of course a revolutionary party is not what creates a revolution - but it is what wins it.


Here is how you need to structure the group: 1. Don't try to recruit touchy-feely liberals, but rather go for people who consider themselves non-political. It is MUCH HARDER to make a liberal into a left-wing person. 2. No landlords allowed. No bosses. No police. No students except STEMM-autists. 3. Majority decision-making.

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>try to read capital

>read first couple pages

>don't get it

>try to read it again

>don't get it

>give up

>later go to mothers house

>she has a Phd in phenomenology

>show her the first couple

>she rereads it to herself for around 5 minutes before trying to explain it

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Excuse me sir, this is a no bully zone. No bullying allowed



His mum reads lots of books, and she doesn't even bother trying to comprehend reading capital. This makes anon sad, because he doesn't read at all so it will be even harder for him



We must bully the bourgeoisie until they go away.


If OP's story is real, I hope he continues reading it with his mom.


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I've read the first chapter of Capital three times, in two languages, and there are still subtleties that I don't get.

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I still don't understand it. This whole thread reads like gibberish to me.

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His right hand. He looks like he's about to cap somebody.


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Those utopians are gonna get it!



Some of you are alright, don't be a jewish nigger tomorrow.


It was just the fashionable thing to do at the time

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Where does the generic hatred for commodity production come from on /leftypol/? I know that the typical argument is that "markets are unsustainable since they rely on scarcity", but what about commodities that are actually scarce?

Say I have a new invention that would improve the overall production of a socialist economy (high use-value). Something like, say the modern PC for example. If I created the first compact PC in socialist, how can I rely on the people to fund my production? What if they don't realize that it's in their best interest? (which is often the case).

My suggest would be, as a market socialist, that he freely gathers a group of like-minded innovators (and some laborers) to form a democratic co-operative and produce it as a commodity for exchange. They will see with enough advertising the demand for that product will rise and equally the amount of labor-power that goes into that product.

The problem I see with soviet-style centrally planned economies (democratic or not) is that people will not always invest in something if they aren't completely sure that it's worth investing in. Commodity production offers a way for your product to easily be introduced into the homes of individuals if it increases their productivity. Can someone tell me if I'm getting this all wrong?

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>this still doesn't address the fact that the people making a production that has use-value will need to fund their production.

No they don't. What they'll need is:

>factory machines, materials, assembly lines

And what they will do is asking to those who produce factory machines, materials, assembly lines.

If these producers can't face all the demand for reasons, then you'll ask the Soviet to make you a priority; in order to do that, you'll give your arguments about why it is very important to produce whatever use-value you want to produce.

>inb4 That sounds very complex. Isn't market simpler, and thus more efficient?

No, because everything I've described happens in capitalism as well, including the "ask to the Soviet" part (except this time you present arguments not only about utility of what you want to produce – it has to be useful to some extent if you want to sell it – but about prospects for a profit). Market mechanisms do not float in thin air, they are not magical.


>Where does the generic hatred for capitalism come from on /leftypol/?




>Where does the generic hatred for capitalism come from on /leftypol/?



Even the soviet union had product reps



>Even the Soviet union

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As much of a clown as he is (and he *really* fucking is), he seems to do a good job of getting people on the right fired up. What if we had someone like that for ourselves, so we too, could also get people fired up much in the way that Alex Jones does for those on the right?

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