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This is a thread for giving feedback and complaints about moderation actions.

Because there are so many new Volunteers right now, we are bound to hit a few bumps in the next week or so. If you see a thread deleted or moderated in a way that you think is unfair, please post ITT, preferably with evidence or a detailed description of it. This won't guarantee a reversal, but it will help bring it to my attention. Volunteers who turn out to be repeat offenders and refuse to learn will have their accounts removed. You can also monitor our actions here:



As well, Volunteers who can't decide what to do about something should post ITT to get feedback before acting.

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I think there's someone doing silent sliding (post then delete), mods should watch out.

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Hello and welcome to /leftypol/. Please check the board tags for related boards. These are our groups:





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>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects of leftism are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums would tend to ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

>I'm not a leftist can I post here?

/leftypol/ welcomes debate from non-leftists. Non-leftists frequently come here to ask questions and raise topics for debate. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up.

>Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Obama? Are you all Zionists???

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Official /leftypol/ reading list

In this thread, various members of the community have listed recommended literature regarding leftism, i.e. economics, political theory, philosophy and other subjects related to leftism. Some recommendations are for starters, or for those in advanced literature.

/Leftypol/ has many ideologies, Marxist, Anarchist, Left-com, etc. so there is a variety of different literature with different viewpoints.

Reading literature is recommended, as it helps you understand leftism better and is much better than reading Wikipedia synopses.

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This is a really fucking stupid meme, dont do this. Lsd tolerance builds extremely fast. After taking it once you'll need to wait 3 days for the tolerance to go down to half and 7 days for it to go down to baseline. Taking it in hourly intervals will literally do nothing.

This applies for most psychadelics. Do not redose during a trip, it will not do anything.

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Why are conservatives so obsessed with debates and debate culture, and all the things associated with it like logical fallacy and muh sources?

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Debate is bourgeois



>I can strawman you but you can't strawman me xD

>those 'arguments'

Fuck. Off.



Also, I'm not going to waste my time proving something that's almost universally regarded as historical fact, which is Stalin being responsible for millions of deaths (i.e. not 'sixty gorillion xDDD', as your shitty strawman made out.)

A ten minute Google search to find the figures and their methodology, conducted by individuals who have dedicated years of their lives to this, as opposed to some smug imbecile on a far-left imageboard claiming something is untrue because it hurts his utterly retarded, sociopathic and thoroughly discredited totalitarian police state, which strayed further from its original ideal than most 'capitalist' states.

You people are identical to /pol/. You're the ones who should be sent to fucking gulags.


>and all the things associated with it like logical fallacy and muh sources?

These are good things.



>nazis don't actually exist in any substantial ammount

t. sheltered usa petit-bourg


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Bookchin spoken word with Vaporwave I guess. Can you dig it?

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oh shit and i bumped a spam thread. how come mods didn't remove it yet?


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>do those photographers feel like they aren't real artists when they don't change SOMETHING?




fuck, wish there was more then three tracks


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This is fantastic



Me too.


I know.

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why should I hate Russia?




russian immigrants are gonna take ur jobs


It is just a usuall porky state

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If you guys haven't you should listen to the Srsly Wrong podcast. They were basically Chapo before Chapo, maybe slightly more idpol and more whimsical.

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Too much bitching about "brocialists" and all that nonsense.


They're fantastic on so many levels, they really are. I found them around a month back and I still can't get my head around how little love they get.

This'll sound a bit wanky, but really - they do a great job of twinning sincere commitment to making the world better while being equally sincere in being self-critical. I might be generalising too much from how much I adore the podcast, but still, I'd really recommend looking through various episodes to see if it's up your street.



You really can feel that they're good people.



I think chapo is hilarious tbh


Ep 111: human nature

was funny. I enjoyed the radio theatre

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Is there any way to make regular Americans see how shit the US constitution is. It's literally handcrafted for the interests of porky

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Its a little sad that we have to look to a piece of paper to find our "rights". I'm simply trying to point to a mythos that people have in the US, that the constitution is something of a holy document while its root ideals are based on capitalism and that initself should warrant serious criticism and a shit status.



I'd prefer to have my rights be on a piece of paper as opposed to amorphous and open to interpretation by anyone who wants to oppress me.


American constitution is solid and the founding fathers pretty much did everything they could to stop America from becoming exactly what it is today.



We do this with Das Kapital.



Fair point. But in an anarchist setting you probably wouldn't be oppressed by an another individual, your "rights" would be a common understanding with your group.

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Does Kropotkin's theory of mutual aid get BTFO by Dawkins?

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Human or even animal behavior is somewhat more complicated matter.

In fact there is whole different science for that.

And as far as I know it's universally agreed that altruism in human behavior is natural and is very reason for civilization.

Many discoveries of archeology proved that mammoth hunters took care about elders and injured, which made no sense economically. For example one prehistoric man lived for years after lost his leg and was carried around by tribe.

I guess he was surrounded by genetically selfish people and lived on government handouts.

Also contrary to popular beliefs made popular by porky propaganda our hairy ancestors didn't eat each other (or at least it wasn't any more common than today).


Kropotkin had flaws in his theory thanks to its humanist arguments, but the same can be said of Dawkins.



What are you talking about? The two theories have nothing to do with each other. The selfish gene idea is the idea that genes themselves are "selfish" in their quest for propagation. The idea does not promote a Randian view of nature where every individual creature is self-maximizing. The idea of the selfish gene and of mutual aid are not in conflict.


Dawkins is a sophist that hates academic competition, I wouldn't take his historical writings very seriously.



Aristotle mentions that indians ate their dead

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Redpill me on psychoanalysis. I've always assumed it was nothing more than a free-form construction of pseudo-psychological narratives, like they told me back in psych 101, but some of y'all seem to think otherwise. I've only recently abandoned the notion that the scientific method is an immaculate route to objective truth. I read Freud's "The Interpretation of Dreams" as a kid but not much more than that. Hit me up with some arguments, links, and literature. I'm unlikely to read anything over 600 pages thooo.

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>(he got doctors to, incorrectly, say its healthy)

Actually I've seen a fair amount of evidence that bacon and eggs are healthy. The scientific community still hasn't reached completely consensus on what food is healthy, hence why you still see posters in hospitals telling you to eat mostly processed carbs.



I can say with some degree of confidence that the one problem humanity has never suffered from is an excess of rationality and logical thinking. A 5 minute look at the world around you should tell you as much.


The scientific method is a route to objective truth, it's just not universally applicable.



And so on



Upstanding bloke.. I tip my hat to you.

As for OP,

Patanjali Yoga Sutras

Yoga is actually the branch of orthodox Indian philosophy that deals with the mind. Western psychology is stuck at the point of getting people socially adapted. Actually we think that's of such prime importance that we allow drugs to replace the real human effort necessary to achieve social stability.

But society / moral / rational thought is just one plane of thought. It's good to get situated on that level, but that should just be a base camp for going higher. There is nothing but your own mind. Never stop exploring.

Idk, I follow Timothy Leary's 8 circuit model of the mind, elucidated by way of Robert Anton Wilson in Prometheus Rising. This makes the most evolutionary sense. You can also check out Sri Aurobindo who is in a similar vein imho.

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Is he /ourguy/?

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kill yourself

>locked up gay couple

>promised to release them when one of them gets pregnant





that's awful, but top kek



That is some troll shit.


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Rhodesia would have been a beautiful nation that could have set Africa on a path to bring out a slow but effective uplifting from genocidal waring tribes to a prosperous continent. Change would have happen afterwards.

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Can I get a quick rundown on these goys?

are they Leftypoo approved?


Why is this /pol/ meme such shit

A thread died for this


Yes they are



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our meme's are not shit

>pic related is one of our finest




>a meme


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No, we oppose such iron-fisted tyrannical bankers.

Now listen to the voice that will topple the Bogdanoffs and usher in world communism


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Any lawyer or law student comrades that can point to any literature on proposed theoretical frameworks for constitutional or statutory interpretation from a leftist perspective? (e.g originalism, textualism, purposeivism etc.)

For example, a proposed way that judges can now, or theoretically under socialism, interpret laws to place the interests of the proletariat as the central principle of the law?


Alternatively, any judicial thought that is the least terrible under capitalism currently being used by liberal judges?


No idea but I'd be interested to hear. Maybe look into the framework of labor organizations.



What, like a Marxist interpretation of constitutional and case law?

Bump for interest, though I have no relevant expertise.


Europoor lawfag here. Had a lecture in American constitutional law once. I know there are some nuts who go by legislative intent for reading a constitution drafted in the 18th century. So first of all I wouldn't do that.

Judging from my country's own bourgeois constitution there's always room for a leftist reading when you take constitutionally guaranteed rights literally. E.g. pursuit of happiness -> equal opportunity

Hope this could help you somewhat.



>Europoor lawfag

>my country's own bourgeois constitution

Which country would that be?

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So why did he genocide his own people, anyways?

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>pushing for dated tankie rhetoric against the ideological minorities on /leftypol/


good post.



>Communism = mass murder of your own people

>Fascism = mass murder of minorities or foreigners

He did both tbh


Because gooks are souless



He didn't genocide his "own people" in his own views but the "New People" consisting of "cosmopolitan" urban-dwellers that he contrasted with the idealized rural "Old People".

The New People isn't really an ethnic group, which is why some historian are wary of calling their elimination a genocide because it doesn't fit their definition of the term.

The Khmer Rouge did also attack minorities in a "classically" genocidal manner, though. They basically wiped out half of the Chams, among other groups.


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>Pol Pot was U.S. puppet

When will this meme die already?

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What are the fundamental differences between communism and communalism?

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It's true, this is definitely some of the most fun I've ever had on /leftypol/. I also hope Communalists on this board know that everything I said was meant in good faith and is meant to be read in only the most comradely tone. I actually like Bookchin quite a bit, and think Marxists should read Anarchists and Communalists, if not just to realize they aren't Anarchists or Communalists themselves.


Thiriart's Communitarianism is better than both.




>Early Christianity was very much a precurosor to later socialist and anarchist movements. They were voluntary and autonomous collectives that not only worshiped but met each others needs, in contrast to the roman state that merely collected taxes, suppressed disorder and waged war.

I'm well aware of this connection, particularly it's connection to Marx through Hegel. Hegel's entire definition of Freedom is, after all, based on these early radically egalitarian Christian communities, communities where all social realtions, supposedly, were based on Love. And while I find this very romantic and appealing, Marx and Engel's critique of this Utopian strain is obviously one of the core motivators of this entire disagreement. If these sorts of communities constituted Dual Power then we would have to concede that the whole 60's New Left "hippy commune" craze was also an effective form of Dual Power, seeing as how it was these early Christians they wished to emulate.

>Marxism is deterministic for stating that primitive accumulation had to lead to class society

You only find Marxism deterministic because you're interpreting everything I'm saying as strictly structuralist. I'm not denying that superstructure can't effect base, that's a fundamentally anti-Marxist, almost a form of economic mysticism, maybe closer to the way ancaps view reality, as if Capital is a conscious entity with agency. Superstructure, however, is subordinate to base, and base creates the limits of what we can imagine, even when we try to imagine the past, not just the Communist future. Political economic realities create class, classes are not created because certain people get it into theirr head that they need to oppress other people, this is why 80% of anarchist class analysis is so retarded, because they basically fall for the Liberal memes of "crony capitalism", "bankers", "corruption", and "a few bad apples", your assuming far too much about people's inner psychologies, at the end of the day our participation in class society, whether as oppressor or oppressed is a highly unconscious one, this is why Marx has a tendency to describPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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Communism is the dream that will wake us from this world anon.

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