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I noticed that the board restoration has removed the moderation thread. Direct all hotpocket related inquiries here.

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No mercy for Nazi cucks. Ban them all and let the Machine God sort them out.

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>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

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Wait wait wait is this me?


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Is Ernest Mandel a good author?

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In what way was the socialism in the soviet union different than in say a co-op? Workers in a co-op don't directly sell their labor power to a capitalist yet they are still paid the value of their labor power and still produce surplus value, just like in the soviet union. Workers in a co-op because they exist in a capitalistic world have to compete with capitalism by exploiting themselves in order to buy labor saving equipment and even firing themselves and lowering wages to save money, just like in the soviet union. It seems like because of the lack of world revolution the soviet union was pulled into the capitalist world until it basically became a huge co-op of workings being forced by the market to exploit themselves.

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My definition is the same as the Marxist one. I'm just saying you can exploit yourself by being compelled to lower your own wages to make get more surplus in order to invest more in constant capital.



Who were you selling your labor to? And in what way were you not selling your labor in the soviet union. You were paid a wage according to the value needed to sustain you. Yes we can agree on that last point (I'm not a market socialist just using it as an example.) How was the USSR different from a co-op? They may have been socialist on the inside like a co-op but they still had to engage in a capitalistic world and act capitalistically.



Exploitation is impossible when there is no surplus value extraction. There will always a surplus that goes into the common funds for welfare and expanding the productive forces. It doesn't matter how long you work or whatever - people in the Third World work significantly harder and longer than Westerners, yet, technically, they are exploited less because they produce less value.


You don't sell your labor under socialism. Labor is not a commodity anymore. You were guaranteed a job, there was no unemployment in the USSR. I have yet to see a socal democracy which achieves full unemployment. Without a labor market, how can you sell your labor? How can you sell anything with no market?

>You were paid a wage according to the value needed to sustain you.

You were paid a wage in accordance with your quantity and quality of labor.

>How was the USSR different from a co-op?

Because a co-op produces for profit to compete with other co-ops.

>they still had to engage in a capitalistic world and act capitalistically.

Even in revisionist times foreign trade made uo 4% of the entire Soviet economy. You must be nitpicking if you think this somehow makes them not socialist,




I should add to this: The USSR had a different currency for foreign trade. Everything they traded didn't influence their national economy in terms of inflation or deflation.



In that case does exploitation exist in a co-op? I would say yes because they have to exploit themselves in order to buy machinery to stay competitive.

The USSR also produced for profit in the same way a co-op does. They produce for profit in order to satisfy the needs of its members. As for foreign trade its not just trade but just existence in a capitalist world that entangles you in value and forces you to act capitalistically. For instance in the five year plans the USSR has to compete with other nations and eventually adopted the same policy of fordism adopted in capitalist nations. Another thing that made them less socialist was their agriculture which was essentially co-operatives selling their products to the state.

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ITT: movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting, etc.

This is a voluntary thread that users can choose to post in, if… I forgot the rest of whatever the old OP was. Honestly, I just wanted to bring this old thread back.

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leftypol btfo forever


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>Poverty isn't at an all time low in the US

<I post first image as he's typing this

>the US isn't capitalist it's corporatist

<So you're admitting corporatism is good?

>Proceeds to post a link to Forbs

<You Lolberts have more fucking double standards than anarcholibs

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<3rd picture mfw lolberts are seriously this much of fucking hypocrites



>Your thanksgiving on capitalism is cheap fake food and loads of adveritising

Accurate as fuck


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what did she meme by this?

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Anime is Leftist by default

Okay, we all know low lQ rightists use the term "degeneratė" for anything they don't like. But now they think it's "anti-white" and Marxist. Why do rightists hate fun so much? They are just unhappy people all the time.

Also Leftist anime general

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Women have a higher libido than men, it's time we realize the entirety of modern Japan is just a sex tourist capitalist state that promotes abuse without love for money.



Well, that and on average, the more extreme porn is consumed by women. Men are generally more vanilla and are happy with "Hot Milf Fucks Pizza Dude.mp4" or "Muslim Girlfriend Shakes Booty.mkv". Women get fucking 50 Shades of Grey and violently cum over it.



Correct, this is why we must allow sexual liberation outside of the economy.



You lost me, aren't we already sexually liberated? I mean, if I wanted a girl to have sex with, I could just drive out to a woman who wants sex and just do it. Unless there is something I'm missing here.



>Prostitution is still legal

>Through a capitalist system prostitution changes nothing at all

>Multiple taboos are still kinkshamed by society thus causing an underground market

Yeah you're missing a lot.

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I've considered myself to be an Ancom for quite some time now. Recently I've had some doubts about the execution of my own ideas and how they would function in the long run, so I'd like for some Marxists and MLs to come in and convince me of their ideas. Call me a faggot if you need to.

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>couldn't ask questions

because people who stepped out of line had a repeat tendency to disappear




Are you talking about the Cultural Revolution?


You wouldn't be sent to the gulag for as much as uttering criticism. That's just factually untrue. There is enough evidence of people stepping out of line during peak Stalinism. I'm not saying there weren't any repressions of any sort but this is just an exaggaration and anti-communist propaganda.



I'm by no means an expert on Maoist China, but I think mostly right-wingers were targeted, not just people who disagreed with Mao.



>In which case all societies (not just states) are authoritarian, but what this description fails to appreciate is that differences in the direction and scale of coercion lead to genuine differences in lived experiences and freedom.

I would argue that all revolutions historically have been a bit more excessive in their use of violence than the status quo that preceeded it.

>If you use force to make the proles keep in line you are using it to reduce the general freedom.

This implies that all proletations are inherently communist. What makes you think that? Because someone is a proletarian he can't do wrong things? I do agree with you that the masses have to be the ones in power though. I fail to see how the collectivization movement under Stalin was not supported by the masses.

>If so then I wouldn’t call it authoritarian

What you did is you took my argument about positive freedoms and totally exaggarated it. With this line of argument I could excuse a totally alienating autocratic technocracy.

>Besides, the Kulak is in this case the aggressor upon the freedoms of the rest of the population

The Kulak doesn't see it that way. He thinks he is naturally entitled to his property and that the state in infringing on his freedoms. Since freedom is such a subjective word, what makes this different than infringing on proletarians who think they are perfectly entitled to rebel but hurt the common cause in the long term? How would I not - following this logic - be totally entitled to violently crush the Revolutionary Catalonia and re-integrate it into the Spanish state in order to crush fascists?

>campaign against the party line

You are invited to participate in party meeting and make state your case. That's democratic centralism, you can debate everything but you have to show unity in practice, especially in a siege situation.

>I dont buy this for a second

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Why is /ourgirl/ a filthy ancom? Isn't she meant to be a representation of leftypol, and therefore should just be red? Tell me atleast the red/black on her clothes is just solidarity. I'm sure there are more socialists than anarchists right



I think the concept artist stated that she wasn't even AnCom in the first place.

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Hey everyone, how is /leftypol/ celebrating their Thanksgivings this year with their families?

Are you taking the easy way out…or doing what's really important, even if you're scared?

Also what did you have to eat?

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Do you not have an excuse to eat during the holidays?



Learn to use the bible to justify your leftism. Americans are brainwashed with cultural protestantism and are trained to listen blindly to what laymen say about scripture. Also very few people are properly equipped to argue against you without looking like a fedora tipper.



The person that I'd piss off the most isn't there.


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My lolbert dad just openly called for monarchy while arguing with his parents about Trump at the dinner table.



Please give us context.

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New videogame thread because nuke

Currently playing everlasting summer

>what I expected

a fun storydriven adventure with a lot of references to soviet union

>what I got

date a schoolgirl simulation with russian characteristics

Who ever makes these lists, delete this game from the next version

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Shadowrun Dragonfall ironically enough has dragons as immortal bourgs who divided world into corporate spheres of influence

also main antagonist was woke as fuck and was ready to sacrifice Berlin to get rid of the dragons

the sheer apathy he displays when you ruin it all

now nothing could stop them, you doomed humanity to the role of the pawns

good job


The Stanley Parable has a kind of cog in the machine asserting your radical freedom kind of feel to it



More like a "no matter what you choose you can't escape the predefined paths the devs laid out for you because obviously they control every aspect of their creation" kind of feel


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I tried playing SimIsle again and it has not aged well. Clunky interface and I don't get what Maxis was thinking with the agent system where you interacted with the island through managers working for you, as it is just keeping track of who has the skill to do what.

Getting unskilled labour by training villages how to farm is not a realistic way of how modernity enters undeveloped lands, realistically they should just be absorbed into the labour market as you encroach on them. Also unlike Tropico the locals are just a resource in SimIsle, they can't do anything to you as if you are some imperial governor yet I don't think Maxis was going for that implication.



Maybe stop disrespecting the dark carnival in future then, my ninja.

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>The only living relative you have dies and passes his multimillion dollar company to you

What will you do?

Why do posts need to be 200 characters?

Anybody else loves Mugabe's hitler mustache?

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Jesus how much of a faggot do you have to be to do that kind of shit?



com'e' si puo' usare questo suffisso '-acci'? sto imparando l'italiano anon



Am I Still Banned?





>I want to destabilize stuff and make the world worse in the short run, all for the greater good


>Use it to fund radicals like George Soros







People who don't want to fuck up other people, and may even help the world




The porkies among us



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We cannot escape God even if we wanted to

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I've been thinking about the concept of UBI.

Since it requires a capitalist state to exist on, is it flawed by the same change in the organic composition of capital that is responsible for the falling RoP? Or is it something that can actually prolong capitalism's life?

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no one knows



It can’t be financed.


Its just to keep capitalism going as it moves into a more automated form of production. If no one can get work because of robots, how will people get the money they need to by consumer products? Its to make sure that the cogs of capitalism keep turning. The fact that rich capitalists are some of UBIs greatest cheerleaders should ring all alarms.



>Its to make sure that the cogs of capitalism keep turning.

The question is would it succeed at doing that



I'm pretty sure falling rate of profit means no. I don't know how capitalism is gonna keep it together after UBI goes up in flames, we may just revert to barbarism.

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Post various infographs that could either be used to redpill normies or are just interesting in general.

No /pol/ tier JPEG shitposts. Make sure whatever you're submitting is backed up by and cites sources when necessary.

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What software would one use to make infographs like these?



illustrator + photoshop,

you can use GIMP with som plugins



That's not really important. If something is on-point, it can get thousands of retweets and facebook likes even if it is a crude drawing. Using this or that drawing software is not as important as having a grasp of statistics and having a grasp of how to present data (for the latter, check out a book by Edward Tufte).


Inkscape for vector graphics

mtPaint or ASEPRITE for pixel art


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Poland and Russia had much larger Jewish populations. French and English Jews were almost as powerful and resented by reactionaries. Eastern European countries like Hungary and Romania had their own violent and more recent antisemitic traditions, but you didn't see a wholesale industrial slaughter of Jews or other minorities until they were brought into the Axis fold.

Everything I read suggests that Jews in Germany in 1932 were incredibly assimilated and hardly a visible minority. Tons of them were of partial Christian descent and many of them were irreligious or even practicing Christians. So why was Germany the country where this kind of ultra-nationalist, ultra-reactionary, ultra-violent movement took hold?

Also why did it take until 1930 for European antisemities to say "Yeah let's kill all of them"

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>killing slave-labor

>during a war


It did not happen.



What if it's the one /pol/yp who can fully understand and refute leftcom vulgar materialist ideology?



never doubt the power and usefulness of anti-Semetic Zionism, it's fucking everywhere


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>The death camps were run by the Germans


Build by germans, run by poles

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If consumption in capitalism is inherently unethical, then is it ethically alright for a brainlet self-declared commie to steal basic "needs" (like food or transportation) when the opportunity arises?

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Yes, not only food. Steal everything you can steal imho


i don't think many marxists would describe consumption as "unethical". in fact marx never once in all of his writings calls capitalism "unethical" or "unjust" or anything like that despite pointing out the exploitation inherent to the capitalistic mode of production.

i wouldn't say that consumption in capitalism is inherently unethical, just that liberal bullshit like so-called "ethical consumption" doesn't exist. consumption is an amoral activity.

and yes, illegalism & steal is good when targeting multinational corporations or especially exploitative businesses






> in fact marx never once in all of his writings calls capitalism "unethical" or "unjust" or anything like

Yet he regularly lambasts "capitalists." There's a difference.

>consumption is an amoral activity.

Over-consumption that is destruction has moral implications.

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