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but what makes it "garbage" you fucking mongoloid?

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I am interested in political sciences, and liberalism is exactly what inspires me with confidence in the future of our political situation. Recently, I was asked to write an essay, I immediately chose the topic of liberalism. Despite the fact that I am interested in this subject, I do not know how to write an essay correctly. https://writingcheap.com/ I found help here. By the way, I would like to know how you think about the liberal orientation of world politics. Is such a turn of events possible?

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>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

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ITT: movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting, etc.

This is a voluntary thread that users can choose to post in, if… I forgot the rest of whatever the old OP was. Honestly, I just wanted to bring this old thread back.

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Just imagine the kind of shitshow Libya would throw the West into if he hadn't given up the nuclear program in 2003 and went ahead with this Gold Dinar thing. NATO would probably try to destabilize the rest of the region though to prevent this from spreading though, and they would spend tenfold into artificial revolutions and sanctions against Libya.


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> and that I'm not totally in control of myself

what if you never feel in control in the first place


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>go to bed


>get a blocked nose

>can't sleep



I like you, rethuglicanon.


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i dunno, when i cry i can sleep more easily, because it's pretty exhausting

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Lads, it seems our thread is bumplocked again. As such, another thread for your Britpol needs. This edition starts with the on-going Liverpool Conference, which seems pretty based so far.

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I assume you mean the top half of this one?



Who the fuck designed that and thought it was good


Makes you realise that at the end of the day the power of a non-violent protest is in its potential for violence, either by the protesters or against them. When everyone knows that all the protesters are going to do is vote Lib Dem and share stuff on Facebook, the government has no reason to pay attention.



>Makes you realise that at the end of the day the power of a non-violent protest is in its potential for violence, either by the protesters or against them. When everyone knows that all the protesters are going to do is vote Lib Dem and share stuff on Facebook, the government has no reason to pay attention

I mean the whole exercise was basically an attempt to form a "third party" by using civil society elements, the existing infrastructure of the lib dems and sympathetic tory and "Labour" MPs. The reports are that by May next year several MPs will have defected and Vince Cable will step-down to allow a new leader to take his place with the aim of scoring electoral victory.


As a burger, what is Corbyn's victory plan? How does he transition his popular movement into an electoral victory and transition the UK into socialism?

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Brasil fio, nothing to HUE about edição

Mas em breve o Brasil, iníqüe e torpe sumirá, substituído pelo altivo Brazil, a ser fundado por Bolzonaro. Tal qual o nome, o país retornará a sua gloriosa época colonial, uma era platinada onde mulheres não recebiam menos que homens porque não podiam trabalhar fora de casa, e queridinhos de ONG, ao contrário de onerá-lo, reforçavam o erário público com sua mão-de-obra gratuita.

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Eu queria o retorno dos polígrafos. Precisamos de mais polígrafos e menos juízes de merda.



>glaringly clear racist statement



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Outro nome para ficar de olho: Sérgio Etchegoyen.

É ministro do gabinete se segurança institucional. Se você nunca ouviu falar, é porque é novo, recém-criado pelo Temer, não se sabe porque cargas d'água, mas pode-se fazer um bom chute. O sujeito é mais um maldito general, e Temer colocou a porra da ABIN sob seu ministério. E adivinha qual a posição política do pijamado?


>Dois dias após a votação que quase levou o presidenciável da extrema-direita, Jair Bolsonaro (PSL), à vitória em primeiro turno, um cardeal do QG petista recebeu um alerta sinistro. As principais peças do comitê de Fernando Haddad têm sido monitoradas pela área de inteligência das Forças Armadas.

>Etchegoyen nutre antipatia visceral pelo PT. Há uns seis, sete anos, ele esteve em uma solenidade em sua terra natal, a cidade gaúcha de Santa Maria. O atual líder petista na Câmara, Paulo Pimenta, outro filho da terra, também. O deputado estendeu-lhe a mão, e Etchegoyen deixou-a no ar. Pimenta foi puxado de canto por outro general e ouviu: “Ele não gosta do PT, coisa de família e ideologia”.

>Os instintos de Etchegoyen parecem ter piorado com a Comissão da Verdade, no primeiro mandato de Dilma Rousseff. A comissão listou seu pai, Leo, e um tio, Cyro, como cúmplices da violação de direitos humanos na ditadura civil-militar de 1964 a 1985.


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Ter um de nós lá dentro é uma vantagem enorme! Não dê trela sobre as suas verdadeiras intenções! Você é a estrela vermelha, a foice e o martelo, o poder do proletariado, o revolucionário no meio militar!




It's a bit tricky to translate. Basically, Brazil has these places called quilombos, villages founded by runaway slaves, and they're kind of a protected territory, like Indian reservations. Naturally, our elite hates both to death. Bolsonaro visited one in the past, and later recounted: "The lightest Afrodescendant there weighed 7 arrobas. They don't do anything! I don't think they can even be breeders anymore". An important detail: arroba is a word used only in Brazil, and only as a weight measurement for cattle. This much is beyond dispute. Add the "breeder" part, and, well… Our Supreme Court voted to drop the charge by 4 against 3.

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Italy's coalition solves tax row, seeks 'dialogue' with Europe

Italy’s ruling coalition patched up a row over a tax amnesty on Saturday and struck a more conciliatory tone toward EU institutions, saying it wanted to discuss its budget plans with Brussels.The coalition included the tax amnesty in measures to fund costly electoral promises that are set to sharply lift the budget deficit to 2.4 percent of domestic output next year, flouting European Union rules that require steady progress toward a balanced budget


Saudi Arabia's explanation for Khashoggi's death draws international criticism

Saudi Arabia said Friday evening that 18 of its citizens are responsible for the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi at its Istanbul consulate, with the Saudi general prosecutor claiming that the writer's death was a result of a "quarrel and fighting by hand."


Emerging economies stockpiling gold in expectation of US dollar banking system collapse – analysts

Countries around the world are turning to gold as uncertainty about the global economy rises. Trade wars and the aggressive policies of the United States are making emerging economies withdraw from dollar assets, analysts told RT. ……..


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The United States is considering a new operation to send warships through the Taiwan Strait, U.S. officials tell RPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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I feel like this thread needed more articled and OP/EDs related to Russia and China preparing a new gold standard, it's a pretty big deal.



A new gold standard would be fucking retarded though, since the amount of Gold available cannot be freely adjusted anywhere near as fast as the amount of Fiat Currency and Gold actually has commercial and industrial use now other than just being pretty to look at

They should back it in clean water, that's getting pretty rare



It seems to me that finance based on actual physically-backed currency makes a hundred times more sense than floating exchange rates which just promote US domination. I don't know though, I'm not that well-read in economics.



This is a pretty good introduction to the pros and cons of basing your unit of exchange in an actual good that has value in of itself


tl:dr Gold standard is easier to figure out and set up but has harsher limits,has less room for growth and is more difficult to manage when things start to go wrong in an advanced economy



>It seems to me that finance based on actual physically-backed currency makes a hundred times more sense than floating exchange rates which just promote US domination.

It does, just not in gold. Gold is everywhere these days, even inside your phone and military missiles, it's a widely used industrial resource. A gold standard adopted on a big enough scale would just nuke the world economy. Customer electronics would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. I don't know what they are thinking.

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Some people have pointed out that if america would turn communist it would be a throwback to the Stalin era.

However I have reason to believe that it'd be more like Cuba.

We would have far more resources available and the country would have means to defend itself.

So it'd take a far more relaxed attitude.

Yes the state would take control of the media and you wouldn't be able to criticize the state.

But is the modern capitalist controlled media really any better?

Like cuba I think the church would also be tolerated.

Just think of it as if the entire country worked for the government.

Just a thought.

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Metal thieves have the right idea: strip the suburbs for parts.


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It will be similar to the ideals of the founding fathers and old American thinkers. The most revolutionary thing an American Communist can do, right now, is to read and preach the doctrine of the founding fathers (while subjecting it, somewhat, to revisionism in order to modernize the philosophy and adapt the economics accordingly)



Not to mention, a lot of Industry in America has been offshored, so we’ll have to rebuild a lot of it, however unlike third world revolutionaries we’d still start with a lot of Industry, though it’d be in inconvenient places because American Industry is mostly in rural areas.



Definitely will have to be large scale redesign on suburbs, but I dont think that is really limited to the suburbs. Cities will have to be scaled down, rural areas scaled up(the old abolition of differrences of town and country). I think most of the country would actually be "suburban" though obviously with total redesign towards more social living and community. Im right with you on cars. Personal car ownership will have to be phased out and massive public transport projects taken up.


I actually think industry being concentrated in rural areas is a good thing for socialist construction. It would make the task of building up rural areas easier, while in urban areas it would be easier to build industry in places that are already urbanized.


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Is there any use in trying to ban criticism of the state in the modern day?

Like with the internet and all that, even if you tried you wouldn't be able to prevent it. I simply don't see any use in it. Of course, take action against out right violent counter revolutinaries, but is there any use in preventing state criticism in the modern era?

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Is transgenderism in conflict with materialism? Transgender people and activists seem to imply that trans people are born with "female or male souls" in the opposite gendered body. To say that body is just a vessel for the soul sounds like Idealism to me. How can maleness/femaleness be separated from their material parts? Likewise,people who say that "gender is a social construct" are in conflict with people who say that being transgender is a legitimate phenomenon. How can gender be socially constructed (not exist) but also be this essential thing for transgender people?

What even is gender? Is your gender just the role you play in society? the way you dress? So transgender people have a yearning to dress a certain way and have certain jobs, and that feeling in built into them?

This all sounds like idealistic, anti-marxist bullshit to me, unless im mistaken. Of course, trans people can do what they want, no one should impede them from expressing themselves however they feel, but I don't see how it's compatible in any way with materialism.

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ah so everyone becoming genderqueer is the end goal of communism, at last I finally see.



Not really, you're just retarded.

It's the same thing with imagining society without any social categories that operate in a class system. What does it mean when the proletariat disappears? Is everyone equal now? Wow, communism wants to brainwash brainwash everyone into being equal, it's jewish propaganda.

The point is we don't fucking know how life looks like when the category of gender division doesn't mean anything, but we analyse it in the framework of political economy. If you don't believe that a society can exist where people have more natural relations without the structural constraints of economics, then what are you even doing on this board presumably calling yourself a communist or a marxist? It's basic fucking theory.



>that's the essence of dialectical materialism.

>Anglo/US PC tranny bullshit that has become hip five minutes ago is actually what Marxism is all about

How about you actually unironically kill yourself?



You sound triggered. Tell us how gender is not a part of the superstructure and cannot be analyzed as a product of class society, as opposed to being a vulgar biological determinist to epicly own le idpol anglo libtards.



Is this what actual brocialism looks like, when you can only apply marxist analysis on labour and nothing else? I swear I wouldn't be surprised if Engels was now considered a filthy liberal for being basically a materialist feminist.

The difference between intersectional liberalism and Marxism is that the former sees class as just another vector of inequality, while Marxism looks at gender/racial inequality as arising from the relations of production under a given materialist basis. It's not REE LIBERAL to theorize about what place gender holds in the structure, it's still a his-mat critique.

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What are some good books on GDR, especially history, and if available, the positives that happened in the country?

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I like socialism, communism, but I don't like the abolition of private property part. I want a big gated farm all to myself.

What's it called if you divide the country up into equal parcels and give every citizen a piece of land? Government is just there to make sure no one infringes on anothers property.

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>What's it called if you divide the country up into equal parcels and give every citizen a piece of land?

Having a tiny garden.

Well in case of my country that is. In case of places like hong kong it would be having your own personal poststamp.



>feudalism without feudal lords.







Earth. This ridiculous assumption that land is cheap shows how naive and sheltered you are. I own a business and literally everything costs a fuck ton of money. Usable land is generally expensive, cheap land is typically undesirable (on a mountainside etc) and wouldn't make for a good farm. Some exceptions exist of course but by and large land, and anything else that one needs for commerce, is fucking expensive. This is the reason that most 'entrepreneurs' are actually rich kids or others with 'fuck you' money. This is the result of the capitalist machine.


>I like communism but I want to be a bourg, can I be a bourg under communism guiz?

Tough shit. A "big farm all to yourself" would either require you to hire labor to maintain it, or waste a shitton of land that could otherwise benefit society for no reason other than your hubris. Neither are acceptable. You'll get a dacha with a garden big enough to be maintained by one person or a small family, like in the USSR. That should be plenty enough for a comfy hikki lifestyle.

Also we get "guyz I don't like people what do under socialisms xd" threads every week. You won't be forced to interact with other people, though you will have to work. However, many barriers to socialization will be gone. You will probably not have this problem under socialism in the first place.

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Are there any charitable leftist appraisals of Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut? I was just thinking about how atrocious it was, and how awful the mainstream usage of it is, and it occured to me that the premise of liberal and egalitarian activists being responsible for the degeneration of art, like Dance and Music, is historically a notoriously fascist take.

That said, I'm also aware Kurt was some kind of Socialist himself, perhaps there is Irony i'm missing? Slaughterhouse V though promotes some of the worst falsehoods of the bombing of Dresden, so he really doesn't sound that great.


It's usually twisted into the narrative that "communists want equal outcome", but I think the weights and other devices that hamper the characters could be read as symbolic of disabilities or economic deprivation; the device that makes it hard to think is stress from not being able to pay the bills, the weights fatigue from slaving away all day. Rather than it being a polemic against communism, I think it's more about how those in power often retard the potential growth of many people.

But that's just my opinion and it's been years since I read it.



>obvious criticisms of communism are in fact awkshully pro communist

no /leftycuck/ YOU are the ones with worms in your brains



>Vonnegut disregarded more mainstream political ideologies in favor of socialism, which he thought could provide a valuable substitute for what he saw as social Darwinism and a spirit of "survival of the fittest" in American society,[107] believing that "socialism would be a good for the common man".[108] Vonnegut would often return to a quote by socialist and five-time presidential candidate Eugene V. Debs: "As long as there is a lower class, I am in it. As long as there is a criminal element, I'm of it. As long as there is a soul in prison, I am not free."[109][110] Vonnegut expressed disappointment that communism and socialism seemed to be unsavory topics to the average American, and believed that they may offer beneficial substitutes to contemporary social and economic systems

<no he was akschually anti-communist ben shapiro told me xd

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quick request: Can someone link me to the place where Marx says people aren't all equal, and some men are more productive due to virtues of strength and intelligence?

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>But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time

This? Should've probably asked in the "questions that don't deserve their own thread" thread btw



And here is the relevant part where Marx wrote about how remuneration for labor would work in post-revolution communist society:

>But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor. It recognizes no class differences, because everyone is only a worker like everyone else; but it tacitly recognizes unequal individual endowment, and thus productive capacity…


Thanks, that's the quote I was looking for, I was able to find it after that person linked the anarchopac video.



So what does this mean in practice. Since labor vouchers would mean everyone gets the same hourly rate, how would people be awarded for doing "better" work? I presume through recognition, better benefits, promotion to higher authority, and so on.

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The new report from the IPCC is pretty clear on what is going to happen to the human race. Either we stay under 1.5 degrees Celsius of warming, or we will all die. We need to cut annual global emissions by half in the next 12 years and hit net zero by the middle of the century. This requires scaling down global material consumption by 20 percent, with first world countries leading the way. Doing this is IMPOSSIBLE under a capitalist system, it can only be done under a centrally planned economy.

But the question is, how will communists take power? There are nearly no communists in first world right now, and we need to come into power in at least 10 years in order to be able to fix this shit. It looks like a fucking impossible task. What the hell do we do about this?

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if I shit all over your lawn every single day and then clean up 5% of it at night does that suddenly make me not someone who still shits all over your lawn every day? Face it China is not anywhere near serious about climate change. Investing more than Amerikkka is not the standard that anyone should be measuring it by.


why i have to see a new thread about this stupid apocalyptic bullshit cult every day?


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>There exists no class struggle between all nations, there is only a final conflict between the proletarian and the bourgeois nations


GLOBAL apocalyptic Nazi masturbation fantasy by 2030, buy guns ammo petrol MREs and medicine now it's all you can do

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Er zitten blijkbaar nog altijd genoeg lagelanders op dit bord, dus tijd voor een nieuwe nederdraad! Bespreek naar hartenlust de manier waarop de zwijntjes onze mooie landen verkrachten, de Belgische lokale verkiezingen, geheimen uit jullie privéleven of wat dan ook.

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Gaan wij in Nederland een links-populistische beweging zien à la de V.S. en het V.K.?



Dat zijn echt zulke koekwouzen. Heb eens in die discord gezeten, is eigenlijk gewoon een clubje voor een stelletje SP vrienden die elkaar allemaal mod/admin hebben gemaakt.



>in de ban geslagen



>á la V.S.

hoop van niet

>het V.K.

zou mooi zijn



>á la V.S.

hebben we al, Groenlinks



Op de zwarte lijst staan.

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