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This thread is dedicated to the discussion of /leftypol/ moderation, both as a matter of direction and accountability for individual actions.

If you see a thread deleted or moderated in a way that you think is unfair, please post ITT, preferably with evidence or a detailed description of it. This won't guarantee a reversal, but it will help bring it to my attention. Volunteers who turn out to be repeat offenders and refuse to learn will have their accounts removed. You can also monitor our actions here:



As well, Volunteers who can't decide what to do about something should post ITT to get feedback before acting.

NOTE: This thread is not for the discussion of the recent potential migration announcement. You are allowed to discuss the matter, just not in this thread.

Apparently the last thread got inadvertently deleted. No it was not an act of suppression. I just spilled greasy pocket cheese all over my keyboard, and in the ensuing hurt and confusion, accidents happened. My sincerest apologies orz

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Also, shit like this >>1693019 has to go.

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Just a reminder to our users that if anything happen to 8ch or /leftypol/ please go to https://www.bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol

It is our bunker in case of an emergency

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Right here. What happened?

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Official /leftypol/ reading list

In this thread, various members of the community have listed recommended literature regarding leftism, i.e. economics, political theory, philosophy and other subjects related to leftism. Some recommendations are for starters, or for those in advanced literature.


/Leftypol/ has many ideologies, Marxist, Anarchist, Left-com, etc. so there is a variety of different literature with different viewpoints.

Reading literature is recommended, as it helps you understand leftism better and is much better than reading Wikipedia synopses.

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Hello and welcome to /leftypol/. Please check the board tags for related boards. These are our groups:





/leftypol/'s magazine:


Other leftist chans/backups:




>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects of leftism are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums would tend to ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

>I'm not a leftist can I post here?

/leftypol/ welcomes debate from non-leftists. Non-leftists frequently come here to ask questions and raise topics for debate. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up.

>Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Obama? Are you all Zionists???

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Is there a way to change flags without posting? Whenever I navigate to a new page, the flag defaults to whichever one I had selected the last time I posted, which often leads to me accidentally leaving an ironic flag on when I'm trying to be taken seriously. The statement "whoops, accidentally left my shitposting flag on" seems to be fairly common around here, so I don't think I'm the only one with this problem.

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Seriously, I'm so sick and of seeing this shit on YouTube and having people on Facebook linking to videos of them. Only recently I had to debate someone who thought communism killed one billion people after he watched one of these slick, short videos with their fancy, dumbed down infographs.

Why doesn't the left have a medium to counteract this? I'm not talking about long theory videos, but short agitprop pieces with smooth animations, maybe in tone similar to how Black Pigeon Speaks does it for the alt-right. Presentation is almost everything these days.

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As said earlier, the Soviet Union actually helped end the cycle of famines. The Holodomor was horrible. (But so was the Bengal famine, which occurred in British controlled India) And in 20/20 hindsight that could have been greatly mitigated.

Mao's policies were during the great leap forward turned out to be an agricultural disaster, no doubt. But that was a problem of central planning, not workers owning the means of productions and managing their own farms and workplaces (i.e. socialism).

Now central planning is advocated in some forms of Marxism (which aims to establish socialism). And it has also brought great benefit: Increases in literacy, the end of famines (The kind of things seen in Ukraine and China used to occur periodically), rapid industrialization (especially in the Soviet Union), and the general transformation of predominantly agrarian societies into global powers.

Later on it stagnated, for which there are many reasons (One being that the systems of the Eastern Bloc weren't able to deal with frivolous consumer goods, the disproportional focus on heavy industry, and economic liberalization in the final years that destabilized the economies).

We're not ignoring them, but the reasons these things happened (apart from Katyn, which was debauched and cynical) are a lot more nuanced than artifact ridden infographics and typical propaganda make them seem. Nor do they invalidate socialism, which often wasn't involved in these disasters.

You'll find plenty of people here criticizing Marxism-Leninism (as practiced in the Soviet Union and China)


Do you actually know what socialism is? Even just the wikipedia definition?


Jesus jannies, you don't need to delete his posts. How the fuck can we laugh at him that way?


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>I think separating people into bourgeoisie and proletariat is a MASSIVE oversimplification of the class dynamic for starters. I don't think it applied back then and as society has grown more complex even more so it doesn't apply now.

1) He never mentioned the proletariat or bourgeoisie in that quote, retard. Way to prove you didn't even read it.

2) Yes, you either own and control the means of production or you don't. At it's most basic, people can be divided into propertied and unpropertied, or bourgeoisie and proletariat.


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>I have a communist manifesto in my bathroom that I've be slogging through

>Can't even handle the commiefest






Show me one country in the world where nobody dies of starving. Just one.

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I just watched Zizek's "A Pervert's Guide to Ideology" and I have two overarching questions. If you guys could help out and get a conversation started about this that would be great, as I am relatively new to leftism.

1. What is Zizek's definition of "Ideology" he uses it constantly and its his driving theme but he never explains what it means to him.

2. Is Zizek's critique on ideology somehow related to his radical leftist leanings? I ask because I can't find a connection between the two and they seem rather contradictory.

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Thus in order to represent why the category of the ‘subject’ is constitutive of ideology, which only exists by constituting concrete subjects as subjects, I shall employ a special mode of exposition: ‘concrete’ enough to be recognized, but abstract enough to be thinkable and thought, giving rise to a knowledge.

As a first formulation I shall say: all ideology hails or interpellates concrete individuals as concrete subjects, by the functioning of the category of the subject.

This is a proposition which entails that we distinguish for the moment between concrete individuals on the one hand and concrete subjects on the other, although at this level concrete subjects only exist insofar as they are supported by a concrete individual.

I shall then suggest that ideology ‘acts’ or ‘functions’ in such a way that it ‘recruits’ subjects among the individuals (it recruits them all), or ‘transforms’ the individuals into subjects (it transforms them all) by that very precise operation which I have called interpellation or hailing, and which can be imagined along the lines of the most commonplace everyday police (or other) hailing: ‘Hey, you there!’[18]

Assuming that the theoretical scene I have imagined takes place in the street, the hailed individual will turn round. By this mere one-hundred-and-eighty-degree physical conversion, he becomes a subject. Why? Because he has recognized that the hail was ‘really’ addressed to him, and that ‘it was really him who was hailed’ (and not someone else). Experience shows that the practical telecommunication of hailings is such that they hardly ever miss their man: verbal call or whistle, the one hailed always recognizes that it is really him who is being hailed. And yet it is a strange phenomenon, and one which cannot be explained solely by ‘guilt feelings’, despite the large numbers who ‘have something on their consciences’.

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Spinoza explained this completely two centuries before Marx, who practised it but without explaining it in detail. But let us leave this point, although it is heavy with consequences, consequences which are not just theoretical, but also directly political, since, for example, the whole theory of criticism and self-criticism, the golden rule of the Marxist-Leninist practice of the class struggle, depends on it.

Thus ideology hails or interpellates individuals as subjects. As ideology is eternal, I must now suppress the temporal form in which I have presented the functioning of ideology, and say: ideology has always-already interpellated individuals as subjects, which amounts to making it clear that individuals are always-already interpellated by ideology as subjects, which necessarily leads us to one last proposition: individuals are always-already subjects. Hence individuals are ‘abstract’ with respect to the subjects which they always already are. This proposition might seem paradoxical.

That an individual is always-already a subject, even before he is born, is nevertheless the plain reality, accessible to everyone and not a paradox at all. Freud shows that individuals are always ‘abstract’ with respect to the subjects they always-already are, simply by noting the ideological ritual that surrounds the expectation of a ‘birth’, that ‘happy event’. Everyone knows how much and in what way an unborn child is expected. Which amounts to saying, very prosaically, if we agree to drop the ‘sentiments’, i.e. the forms of family ideology (paternal/maternal conjugal/fraternal) in which the unborn child is expected: it is certain in advance that it will bear its Father’s Name, and will therefore have an identity and be irreplaceable. Before its birth, the child is therefore always-already a subject, appointed as a subject in and by the specific familial ideological configuration in which it is ‘expected’ once it has been conceived. I hardly need add that this familial ideological configuration is, in its uniqueness, highly structured, and that it is in this implacable and more or less ‘pathological’ (presupposing that any meaning can be assigned to that term) structure that the former sPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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See Zizek's critique in .pdf related, p.42, Kafka, critic of Althusser


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A nice collection of essays on ideology, edited by Zizek.


Ideology happens when you blame people instead of the shit they made

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Snap elections edition

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19/17 comr8




Labour has a social media stranglehold



Corbyn's all over it, cause of the generational gap. Youth are pro-Labour.

Numbers of under 25s registering to vote is promising; today's the deadline.



go on /r/labour instead


So the tories have paid ads on "Dementia tax"

Does anyone already have a bot written which could spam such a thing?

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Swedish citizen here wondering if and how welfare can be reformed to function with a growing older population?

My government (ruling parties at least) tells me that Sweden needs the immigration of young "refugees" so that they can work and pay into our wellfair system in order to not just compensate for the help they've recived but also to support our growing elderly population.

Which is all fine and dandy provided that we don't take on too many at once to the point that we can't afford supporting them while they are still trying to adjust to our country.

However this also means that Sweden is relying on a exponentially increasing younger population via either birthrates or immigration to support the children and elderly. And i hope i don't need to explain why a exponentially increasing population is a problem in a country with a ongoing housing chrisis and growing unemployment.

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>source doesn't contain graph

ALWAYS, ALWAYS with that trick

maybe because the numeric drop in swedish hdi of 0.04 doesn't have the same visal effect as making a chart and scaling it so that it seems really really big, plummeting even

I wonder why france that is projected in 2030 to reach 0.993 from 0.961 isn't depicted there


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>Sweden needs the immigration of young "refugees" so that they can work

Ok, but work WHERE???

The problem is capitalism and the fact that Nords think their system can still work, even if factories have left and automation is going to take over.


I "know" socdem, when capitalism is in crisis, becomes fullfascism, but what do you think as an internal observer?

How likely are Swedes to go back to "you darkhaireds git" and so on?


>The Human Development Index (HDI) is a summary measure of average achievement in key dimensions of human development: a long and healthy life, being knowledgeable and have a decent standard of living. The HDI is the geometric mean of normalized indices for each of the three dimensions.

>Geece is rising



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The "demographic catastrophe" meme is pure deceitful neolib propaganda. 1st-world economies (especially the very strongest, like Sweden) have such gigantic GDP/capita that no realistic scenario could actually cause the economy to collapse. Further, mass immigration would be the exact worst possible way to tackle such a problem, since it would mean an EVEN BIGGER glut of old people in the further future, instead of getting it over with now, and transitioning to a sustainable replacement-rate homeostatic population after current retirees die off.

Retiree benefits only soak up about 10% of GDP across the EU, and even the absolute worst projected scenarios by the EU itself peg such expenses rising to no further than under 14% of GDP through 2060. Entirely manageable, and far from justification to burn down your entire labor market.


And why can't we just subsidize other countries that are economically, culturally, and geographically closer to the refugees own home countries (in addition to subsidizing the far greater numbers of internally displaced refugees who never left) to take them in, thus eliminating perverse incentives on both sides?







You make a good point. And It was the "Modetaterna" (The economic right block) that sugested that we should "Open our hearts to immigrants."

>And why can't we just subsidize other countries that are economically, culturally, and geographically closer to the refugees own home countries (in addition to subsidizing the far greater numbers of internally displaced refugees who never left) to take them in, thus eliminating perverse incentives on both sides?

Litteraly what Sweden Democrats want us to do. (And they're labled racist nazies bu mainstream media for this because clearly they just don't want brown people here.)



I and most of my friends will be voting for SD-2018 but If the option to actually talk about the issues caused by and unhinged immigration is opened it would really blow off some steam.

If not then there will be more Soldiers of Odin and Northfront.

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I've got na honest question. How do you guys feel about freedom of speech and freedom in general?

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forgot also this >>1693126


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The general rule of society should be the maximisation of liberty (and virtue), that is the freedom that extends only so far as not to infringe on the liberty of others, under the axiom "the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all".



what about political police? do you think it should be used?


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>political police

so just 'police' then?

They should not exist at all.




pick one



very ambivalent

individual freedom is obviously important, but it is also detrimental to society when taken too far

for instance, look at the tired old argument for free market schools/healthcare/whatever - it's all about the freedom to choose whichever option you like more

you hear the same shpiel when one of the free market ideologues portrays a man seeking a job as someone who has options in front of them and freely picks the one that fits him best

the problem with this is that it is like solving one of the early exercises in physics in which friction between surfaces and air resistance are ignored

friction/air resistance are the actual conditions in reality by which I mean the fact that often a regular person picks either nothing (because you can't afford it) or you pick the least bad option (and all are bad)

freedom isn't inherently good, it needs to be critically observed (I don't know the english word, it needs to be thought of critically not blindly)

I am not free to kill and rape and that is good, but it is also an inhibition of my freedom

the standard argument is that murder and rape infringe on the freedom of others but I believe that unrestricted free markets also infringe freedom except in a way that is not easily noticed/seen

with murder, rape, theft it's easier because you see the subject and the object and their interaction vividly (thief steals, man rapes, man kills etc) while with economics it's all obfuscated through the system that you are born and raised in and which itself resists attempts to be observed by always reinforcing the general public's faith in itself through its agents in government, media etc. (this makes it sound like I think capitalism is a supernatural living thing but I hope you get the gist of what I want to say)

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post them here

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it's actually pretty funny. SJW and ancap could've beem a bit subtler though

solid 5/7



Nice, bunkerchan needs to be more autistic though


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She's perfect



Not bad.

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Anon, why are you so weird with fetishes n shit? not singling out leftypol, but why do channers like anime chicks, traps, femdom, milfs, interracial, etc. Not shitposting, looking for a serious sociological answer.

Maybe I'm too old school but whats wrong with regular old big boob hot chicks?

Also post pics or ur a fag

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>I'd like to make a cute loli wear diapers - not wear them myself.

This is no less weird.


>Anon, why are you so weird with fetishes n shit?

over exposure



>I feel happy and fulfilled jerking off to animu furry diaper rape porn 6 hrs a day, this not a fetish, this is who i am mom!

oh please, you don't even believe that yourself.


It's free, it's fun, and at the end you cum! Everybody should masturbate if they can. If you only use (ad) free porn, it's pretty subversive too, as your time is utterly void of profitable consumption.



So do you believe that there exists some kind of Platonic ideal human which is perfect, and all real humans are a corruption of that ideal?

I'm a nihilist, so to me it seems kind of stupid to try and claim that one way of living is more "correct" than another.

(not the anon you replied to, btw)

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How do we get rid of all the racists here?


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It's the Chinese.



Fuck of white nigger, we are all inferior to the superior asian race here

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What did they mean by this?

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Marx is about to post the "you're fucking dead, kiddo" of the pre-internet world.


Marx is going to make Stirner read more books so he stops saying retarded shit.


I never really understood what the hell Stirner was, specifically. An idealist? A materialist who criticized idealism?



an Egoist



Hegelian nominalist.

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/pol/ will defend this.

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>heh, the jews want us to hate them so we're gonna do the opposite

>I love jews now

>that'll teach em






I seriously found it amazing that so many people thought he would not present lordosis behavior to the Saudi and Israeli. Is the average American really this ignorant?


What the fuck is that?



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Gosh, it feels like just yesterday they were melting down over his pointless attack on Syria. And it's only been 4 months. By this rate, /pol/ will be an asylum by the end of his term.

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How do we drive people like this away from Socialism?


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>Reassociate socialism with economics.

It boils down to this. We shouldn't be afraid to tell these losers that socialism is economics, but we have too many sympathizers calling themselves "socialists" to do so effectively.

The moment anyone tries to inject idpol bullshit into a socialist movement they ought to be ousted.


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If this is unironic then please kill yourself.


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Hahaha, ok I thought the Pan African and Black Power flags were legit, now I know they are shitposting flags.

Brb filtering Afroplasm


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