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This is a thread for giving feedback and complaints about moderation actions.

Because there are so many new Volunteers right now, we are bound to hit a few bumps in the next week or so. If you see a thread deleted or moderated in a way that you think is unfair, please post ITT, preferably with evidence or a detailed description of it. This won't guarantee a reversal, but it will help bring it to my attention. Volunteers who turn out to be repeat offenders and refuse to learn will have their accounts removed. You can also monitor our actions here:



As well, Volunteers who can't decide what to do about something should post ITT to get feedback before acting.

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You guys need to either kick some moderator that keeps declining reports or get more moderators. I have been reporting obvious spam, /pol/ shitposts and such in the last days and some never got removed at all and some only after hours.

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Hello and welcome to /leftypol/. Please check the board tags for related boards. These are our groups:





/leftypol/'s magazine:


Other leftist chans/backups:




>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects of leftism are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums would tend to ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

>I'm not a leftist can I post here?

/leftypol/ welcomes debate from non-leftists. Non-leftists frequently come here to ask questions and raise topics for debate. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up.

>Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Obama? Are you all Zionists???

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u walk forward lmao

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Official /leftypol/ reading list

In this thread, various members of the community have listed recommended literature regarding leftism, i.e. economics, political theory, philosophy and other subjects related to leftism. Some recommendations are for starters, or for those in advanced literature.

/Leftypol/ has many ideologies, Marxist, Anarchist, Left-com, etc. so there is a variety of different literature with different viewpoints.

Reading literature is recommended, as it helps you understand leftism better and is much better than reading Wikipedia synopses.

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/pol/ here. I naturally agree more with leftist ideas but don't like being denied my history and ethnic identity (I'm white).

I also think this is probably true for a very large portion of /pol/. We're only "right wing" because they're the only party seemingly willing to go to bat for European identity.

Why don't you shill pro-Identitarian leftism on /pol/?

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Nothing I posted invokes identity politics. People are saying western civ doesn't exist and i simply defined in such a way basically any cultural anthropologist or classicist would find uncontroversial.

Your entire world view is class reductionist and buzzwords.


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>Nothing I posted invokes identity politics

>Your entire world view is class reductionist and buzzwords

Fucking brocialists am I right?


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> Your entire world view is class reductionist

Hmmm, where ever did I hear that before…



>accusing others of using buzzwords while calling them class reductionist




I'm a classicist and I find it controversial.

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>tfw Zizek is 67 years old

>tfw Badiou is 80 years old

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do leftists live forever or something

why do they all look so young

even Chomsky the old fart is still going strong and 88 years old



He looks about 30 years younger.



it is a bit weird isn't it. they're all basically still doing talks and producing new material. my grandpa's that age and sits in his armchair all day and can't put his own socks on.



maybe its the combination of freeing yourself from the burdens of capitalist ideology while simultaneously profiting off of the medical and lifestyle advancements of the modern world


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tfw when everybodys favorite liberal anarchist will die in your life time

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Anyone else uncomfortable with so called Socialists appearing on mainstream TV shows like this?

I think it shows that DSA are just cronies for the Democratic Party.


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But this thread is about Bhaskar Sunkara, anon.



>Obama loving socdems would have betrayed another capitalist socdem if given the chance




How about never because Lenin's greatest achievement was setting the conditions for a state capitalist dictatorship of the bureaucrat and Leninism is an antiquated precursor to Marxism–Leninism and other derivatives?

Lenin's only use is as a historical figure and occasional theoretician whose ideas and tactics are failures or are otherwise useless in contemporary society. At this point, Leninists, Marxist–Leninists, and their derivatives more closely resemble liberalism, reactionism, or literal fascism. If you adhere to those ideologies, then you're categorically not a radical leftist.



The revolution will not be televised




They have articles that are pretty critical of Obama. This article talks about how his bailout and post-crisis policy were essentially controlled by monied interests.


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They're actually unashamedly revealing these people as if they're a good thing. The "deep state" is a misnomer. This is the informal network of capital that holds the power. The state exists only to protect the interests of capital and not in formal institutions but informal networks of capital – this is how oligarchy rules and power is always held in informal structures not formal institutions. It's not the "deep state". It's the regime and they are revealing it. It used to be a conspiracy theory to even talk about these people and now they're being applauded as some kind of saviors.

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>the heavily pro castro new york times.

This sounds like something my 65-year-old dad would say




People really need to read Hegel to understand function of the state.



>implying implications

Wew go back to Facebook and hang out with the rest of the Clintonistas. Acknowledging the existence of the deep state doesn't mean I'm a Trump voter



Why should they, when Hegel himself didn't understand the function of the state?

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> "Leftism = Liberalism"

> "Leftism = Totalitarianism"

> "Communism means everyone would be forced to live and act the same"

> "Fucking lefties wanna take away my guns"

> "Why should my tax dollars go to lazy schmucks who don't even work?"

> "Lefties come from the city, they don't know what's good for us country folk!"

> "Communism destroys American Values™"

I feel like most of our opponents (save Nazis and Lolberts) simply have a fundamental misconception of what leftists actually want. Anyone else feel the same?

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If a communist society were to be created today without international revolution, its borders would be closed to the outside world due to the danger of imperialist subversion.

If the international communist revolution were to happen there would be no incentive anymore for people to migrate from poorer into richer countries, unless they wanted to immigrate into another culture for various reasons that are outside the economic realm.



what country is that? cuba?


>> "Communism destroys American Values™"

American values suck though



There is no such thing as "your country" unless you`re an absolute monarch.

Fuck off, state apparatus is not your private property.


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Not that I'm a nationalist or anything, but isn't it natural to feel an attachment to the piece of soil you've tilled your entire life? I'd be pissed as hell if someone came along and kicked it up.

The desire to "own" one's country was one of the driving forces behind the widespread adoption of democracy.

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Hey comrades, after a lot of debate I've decided I'm going to open a DSA Chapter in my city.

I have 3 goals

>Activism. (Food Not Bombs, Beach cleanups, any form of volunteering)

>Informing. (We'll work on making flyers or pamphlets)

>Making a website/group so we could talk about projects

What do you guys think? Should more anons be stepping up and creating chapters? I have a lot of free time, I'm pretty sure I can put in the work.

ITT: Advice for anons trying to make something happen


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Anyone else trying to organize?


Would anyone be down to make a serious leftypol discusison discord? We could try to do more /slacktivism/ like funding content creators or compiling resources

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Hello /leftypol/, today I would like to propose you a passage from Adrian Johnston's "Badiou, Žižek, and Political Transformations: The Cadence of Change" wherein he goes over one of Zizek's four biggest masters: Lacan (the other two being, broadly, Hegel, Marx and Althusser), and whether he can be considered a materialist or not. You can find the source of what I'm about to share without you in PDF related, pages 119 to 124.

Without further ado:

>Among both sympathetic exegetes as well as certain wary critics, the notion that a sharp division separates two distinct phases of Lacan's teaching (as transmitted via le Séminaire) has become a matter of widely accepted doxa. On the one hand, during the 1950s, there is the Lacan of the Symbolic, the advocate of a "return to Freud" wherein, through a focus on such early Freudian texts as The Interpretation of Dreams, The Psychopathology of Everyday Life, and Jokes and Their Relation to the Unconscious, the unconscious is shown to be "structured like a language"; the libidinal economy and its correlative forms of psychical subjectivity are shaped and controlled by the elaborate play of "signifying chains." This period of Lacanian thought, departing from a valorization of structural linguistics as the "pilot science" promising elegantly to streamline psychoanalytic metapsychology, places a great deal of emphasis on the transindividual network of the symbolic order, namely, the big Other within whose web the "subject of the signifier" remains inextricably entangled. On the other hand, according to this quite popular and predominant portrait of the "two Lacans," there is also the Lacan of the Real, the thinker who suddenly realizes that language is "not all," that the structures of the Symbolic are far from being primary as far as the phenomena relevant to analysis are concerned. Through an abrupt shift that purportedly begins in the seventh seminar (1959-60), Lacan demotes linguistic/ structural factors from their previous position of theoretical centrality. The realm of the symbolic order is preceded (sometimes chronologically, sometimes "logically") by the obscure, opaque domain of das Ding, by an X that forever eludes representation and signification while simultaneously shaping the movement of the Vorstellungen constitutive of Freud's psychical apparatus.

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At the end of the book Zizek answers Jonhston's questions in one of his most condensed texts I've read on 21st century materialism. Highly recommended. Johnston's first part of the book on Badiou is a very good intro to Badiou's thought.



requesting black lacan


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in the hood


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Yes, Badiou and Zizek are bros but have a fundamental divide on the subject of the formation of human desires and perception.


kek. LeQuan givin' us dem analysises.

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Dice rollRolled 2, 5, 2, 5, 4, 4, 3 + 9 = 34 (7d5)

What are your opinions on giving 16 year olds the vote?

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its not like they're gonna get better in 2 years



true, but why needlessly compound a problem?

though I agree that in any society voting age should probably be 21. That's about the age when you can expect the majority to have at least some sense of responsibility.




Americans are so retarded, might as well call yourself a liberal and take that stupid tankie flag off



I'd actually bump it up to 30 which is when a person has the requisite level of experience in the society to make decisions that will alter the lives of millions of people. I wouldn't be opposed to even later ages being the starting point.



Why not go a bit further and restrict voting rights so only people in positions where they have the necessary free time to think about social questions are allowed to make decisions.

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Our current eduction model is pretty shit, we cram knowledge down children's throats and manage to extinguish curiosity in a lot of them. By putting a lot of children together with little oversight, we let them create a tiny society for themselves, filled with bullying and cruelty. What we have no is a relict of the industrial revolution, shaping humans into replaceable parts.

I've heard Wes Cecil argue for going back to the education system of the ancients. According to him, they only taught literary skills for a few years so students could read and write well and then let them loose to study anything and everything that was required of them. This system created what we today call universal geniuses, which simply means jacks of all trades that had the capacity to be utilized in any situation if given some preparation time and that could contribute to any field.

Cecil believes that we could return to this state and that only our current education system is hindering us but believe that the sciences have advanced too far for someone to be able to be fluent in all of them.

What kind of education system would you want in a socialist society? Some options are:

-Some reformed version of our current prussian model

-Ancient system with very few subjects and focus on literary skill with years of private study afterwards

-The scifi solution, private AI tutors for everyone

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excuse me sinner I believe her name is Exodia


fuck the classroom setting completely. group nature walks to encourage REFLECTION, spontaneous questioning, paying attention, spontaneous play. you can also teach about ecology and natural history here, and teach about general natural laws. this is for children, later on they can learn more technical aspects of being part of society, with options for math and science.

students need to be modeled after the society, after all, so if we get a sort of Marxist communism the educational system can show kids how society works directly. right now kids are kept away from society in prison schools and given pure ideology. I could go on and on about this. I like the idea of the ancient system but of course the education will have to reflect the mode of production. most importantly, education will be free whenever anyone has the time for it.


I think finland has a system similar to that and it works great. I am not entire sure though.




But what about kids who come from shitty families? I grew up in school with kids who thought if you didn't eat, sleep and breathe football (american) then you were a limp wristed faggot. They banked their entire lives on getting into the NFL and then ended up working at mcdonalds. These are the fuckers who vote for trump. Letting them writhe in their own ignorance will only worsen the brain drain in the US.



We are assuming a socialist society here, anon.



>non-universal heirarchy

Fucking this. The idea of universal genius needs to die, as does the idea that a college degree should give somebody muh well-rounded (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean) education at everything when they just want to be a veterinarian or a programmer or some bullshit. I had some pencildick shrink tell me I should go back to college since I'm good with English despite most middleschool-level math being incomprehensible to me. I don't need to know calculus to fucking teach English or history. I don't need to understand the nuances of art or film theory or [insert idpol minority here] studies to program a fucking computer or learn French.

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Why do so many liberals object to regicide? Seriously talk to them about the French or Russian revolution and so many are sympathetic to the crown.

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Both revolutions were failures that lead to worse tragedies and created philosophies so absurd that they are still hurting mankind today.

Nevermind murdering innocent people simply because of their 'class' is evil.

Monarchism can actually work with communism to varying degrees, no need to regicide.


Because the bourgeois originally aspired to become nobility



Normal people desire stability over war communism and food shortages.



t. 'monarchism is better than democracy' ancap


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Monarchies are more long-lived thus more stable than republics therefor Monarchy -> Republic/democracy

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Our discussions are getting popular therefore shittier. How can we reverse this trend and how does someone combat the wave of id?

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>Some autistic fucker spams the board

>/leftypol/ is done for

No, the mods here are just lazy.



100% fucking awful.



the solution is marxism-leninism btw


>he expects quality posts on a sunday morning



They're not lazy. Posts containing loli get deleted almost immediately.

It is more accurate to say they are vexatious.

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The new film "Bitter Harvest" shows the Ukrainian "famine" aka "Holodomor" and has heavy Anti-Communist and Anti-Russian rhetoric.

The Film Got 9% On Rotten Tomatoes

Biggest Anti-Communist film flop this year!

Stalin is up in heaven laughing his ass off.

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Aren't you curious at all as to what they are saying about Communism?



I saw the tralier, watch it yourself >>1419665

I might try to find a free stream of the film.


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I made this.

If you haven't given a negative review of this film posing as a Russian shill/tankie then you are not my comrade.


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>Ivans review of bitter harvast

10/10 shitpost

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