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It's that time again - bring your criticism and suggestions for /leftypol/ to the table and talk to the mods.

I'll probably keep it pinned for about a week.

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here, use this one, trots are a fucking joke anyway lol

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Direct all hotpocket related inquiries here.

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Give cyclical to the Zizek vs Peterson thread, plox. Almost reached limit and its only starting now.

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The only ones I would recommend are The Nature of the Operations of Modern Armies by Vladimir Triandafillov, and also The Evolution of Operational Art by Georgii Isserson

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>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

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Is the IRC supposed to be dead? Both #leftypol and #bunkerchan are dead; the former empty and the latter unconnectable.

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Are you ready? Will you attend? Do you think Zizek will be able to debate (I mean, Peterson is a snake and Zizek isn't renown for debating skills)


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>this bullshit

so why water is cheaper than diamonds?



>"a thing needs to first be useful before it can have exchange-value" = "the more useful a thing is, the more value it has"

reading comprehension not your strong suit then?


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subjective theory of value!

supply and demand bro.

but what if the child consents tho?



so that was shitposting irl?


>Zizek simply agreed with marxism critique

no its much more than that

"communism has failed" is a statement

and he pissed on all of the past struggle

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Where were you when thousands of college-aged Marxists learned that their hero and Jordan Peterson agreed on 99% of everything


i wasn't anywhere because this has never happened


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No but I can tell you where Petersonfags are going into full damage control now that he is BTFO


He was agreeing with him to appease his audience and to look like the calm rational one


1 rule for life: get BTFO by Zizek

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Can you leftists explain exactly how a classless society is maintained. Will there not be an intrinsic tendency towards hierarchy of some socioeconomic kind? How do you stop that?

Could this work in a multicultural society? Do you think all races have equal civil and cognitive abilities? Do you have to be an egalitarian to be a leftist in the sense that the races aren't different? How do you keep classes from forming along racial faultlines?

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How do you prevent classes from emerging anyway

Like, what if some gang hoards all of some resource and guards it violently unless they are paid in some other resource



Star Trek I guess

>Will there not be an intrinsic tendency towards hierarchy of some socioeconomic kind?

If any hierarchy were to arise, it won't one out of economic necessity. Nobody is against natural hierarchy (if any exist) but rather artificial ones supported by force.


communism is end of history when class struggle ends, so it will happen naturally with time.



There would not be a sacristy of resources for gangs to hoard in communism.

[spoiler] Plus everyone would be armed anyway.



but what about muh toothbrush?

checkmate commie

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Previous thread- >>2838096

Brexit potentially delayed,

Elections in NI for council in may,

Potentially EU elections after.

Where's the RA when you need them most?

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Yeah, TFL only. You're good literally everywhere else in the country. Got told to knock it off by the BTP when I was down there and was like u wot m8?



National rail you're good but when it's more local stuff it can be a problem. You're usually fine though as long as you're not being "rowdy" or whatever.



Sun confirmed for the no fun police



This has made my feelings on her go from 5/10 to a solid 8/10, what a lad


And they've found Carlgon being an actual fucking racist.



+rep tbh.

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What are the top 5 most class cucked countries in the world in your opinion? By this I mean nations that are so blinded by Ideology that it's hard for you to not only imagine a Communist but even a moderate Social Democratic government ruling them at any point in the near future. I'll go first

1) the USA

2) Poland

3) Ukraine

4) Japan

5) South Korea

Also use this thread to discuss general class cuckery and also how to improve conditions in severely class cucked nations

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I've been understanding "class cuckery" to be the tendency to defend capitalism as a virtuous economic system whilst being fucked by it.



> I myself am a Sephardic Jew with Spanish/Iberian roots. During WWII the largest Jewish population to be wiped out was the Sephardic tribe, all while the Ashkenazi tribe mostly escape..

Are you retarded? Ashkenazi in Eastern Europe were the biggest victim. Maybe sephardic suffered proportionally more as their communities in the balkans got destroyed but they survived in north africa and italy for the most part




I'm the op of this thread and one reason I didn't put south Korea and Japan along with other Asian nations at the top is because in the east and southeast at least, socialism was rather popular until the middle or the 20th century and apart from China most of the intense class cuckery that took place was essentially American imposed counter revolution to popular uprisings therefore you can directly trace the massive class cuckery to the USA and other western powers rather than purely as a natural force



1) USA

2) finland

3) britain

4) south korea

5) japan


1) USA

Self explanatory

2) Sweden

Number 1 arms exporter per capita. The most violent, imperialist nation, but they don't send their own people overseas to do the dirty work, so normies think they are peaceful.

3) Switzerland

Notorious money launderer, people support their violent, evil regime because it gives them good jobs.

4) Singapore

I used to think Singapore rigs their elections, but after meeting Singaporeans, I'm not so sure I would call it rigged. The People's Action Party plays dirty and controls the media, but they actually do have the support of the masses in Singapore.

5) Australia

Just look at the reputation Australians have on the internet as right wing shitposters. This hasn't come out of a vacuum, their society is increasingly heading right wing.

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>watch zizek vs peterson debate

>realise I'm actually a Zizekian and not a marxist

I guess I should leave this board now

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….Marx was a Junghegelianer….



historical materialism is a materialist extrapolation of Hegels phenomenonology.





all marxists are hegelians but not all hegelians are not marxists retard




>are not marxists

are marxists

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Why homosexual relationships was banned in USSR? Because of the reactionary Russian society maybe? To what extent were people really homophobic? Why there were no attempts to combat this ban?

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>Back in the day (circa 2012), the joke was that people pretend to be alphas on their keyboards, bragging of exploits that never happened, often followed by "Please buy my book and subscribe to my channel." I guess, back then people were in cope-mode, unaware of their real (abysmally low) value on the sexual market. Back in 2012-2013, people hoped that with just more reading PUA blogs and so on, they would get the girl. Well, now in 2019, they realize that it was a pipe-dream; it was over all along.

>So now, instead of bragging about all the sex you get on a regular basis with 10/10s, you brag about all the sex you can't get even with fugly post-wall landwhales. Seems that people always need to signal that they aren't low status, and since we all became realistic about our lack of sex life, we now accord each other pity-points (really, status-points) for how celibate we are.

>Someone needs to send a memo to the Feminists (Tumblrinas, Twitterinas, and Buzzfeederati) that we no longer pretend to be Chads, but rather, we now emphasize our sexual frustration for purely Machiavellian reasons.





The fact that insanely expensive garbage healthcare that doesn’t cover anything factors into total compensation is all you need to safely disregard this.

Let’s see how the numbers run after Medicare for all is implemented and people are no longer getting thousands of dollars (theoretically) in fringe benefits.

You wanna know something epic? One time my old employer had me on part-time and I only made 9,000 dollars for the year. But when I sat down with my manager, my compensation package for that year was worth $12,000 dollars. I had no healthcare, no vacation benefits, no sick days, nothing, no stock option and a 401k that I hadn’t paid a dime into.

So, where did the 3,000 come from? My best guess is a combination of taxes withheld and the 20% discount I got at work. But, I almost never bought anything so, that 20% would be a theoretical thing - theoretically if I was plowing most of my income back into the store then the compensation might level out.

I’m willing to bet there’s a lot of workers pulling down big bucks on paper but in reality their take-home pay isn’t even enough to get by.




I also suggest that we make consideration that whereas wages and salary pay is effectively unconditional, that is, you get paid if you show up to work, getting paid through benefits is restrictively conditional. No matter what the benefits are "worth" you simply will not receive that compensation if you do not fulfill the requirements set. You do not receive the value of a company healthcare plan if you do not get sick or injured. You do not receive the value of paid leave if you don't use it before it expires. You do not receive the value of any of these other setups unless you actually go through with using them, and it is easy to see how companies can encourage employees to either not follow through with them, to contest them, or to find other ways of paying out less than even a realistic valuation of what the benefit is worth in terms of lost potential direct payment.


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it was posted on /b/ as well.

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TLDR: Right wing fetishizes engineers because they have a practical skill to make more money for porky and THE LEFT CANT MEME.

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thank you master!



STEMlords deserve it for not bathing regularly



forgot to take of memeflag


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The left can meme, just look at this imageboard! The problem is that "left" liberals get "offended" at memes and ostracize fellow leftists who do meme.


We have been a post-scarcity society for a long time. Read "The Conquest of Bread". We don't need engineers, we could have fully automated luxury communism right now with the correct reorganization of society.

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What do you guys think about Antifa? Personally I think that their main goal to bring down fascism is a good idea, but they seem to also do wrong things, and since /leftypol/ is leftist, and Antifa is also leftist, I was just wondering what other leftists had thought about it.

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i like and support antifa. rip comrade Heather Heyers.



lol everyone else is sucking or getting sucked and the guy on the left is just awkwardly holding his dick looking lost



that would be me in that situation



>yup, you may be wondering how I got into this mess.

>well it all started when I got a call from George Soros about a college campus speaking event I needed to disrupt…


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The Female perspective

To the men of this board, what are your opinions on women in a socialist society or during revolution? Should they have any specific role? What's your take on this? Where do you draw your conclusions from?

To the women of this board (Including trans, but more so interested in a cis perspective) how do you wind up here? What type of lefty are you? Are far left spaces like this more or less easy to navigate as a woman than others you have experience in? What do you believe is your role in revolution, if any? In a socialist society?

In general just discuss a women and how they relate to your preferred method of whatever you believe.

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nice meme



well, in terms of the "female experience", transwomen have a much greater standpoint on it than cismen.

although many terfs say stuff like they can never understand the female experience since they weren't socialised in a female environment and never inherited a female body - i have heard transmen say this type of hysteria is nonsense though and terfs should just get off their high horse.



OP asked if women should have a specific role. I'm saying that this isn't going to work, because if you try and slot women into a specific role there's going to be a significant percentage that fuck everything up by rebelling against that role.



>To the men of this board, what are your opinions on women in a socialist society or during revolution?

Fighting and working alongside men (and whatever else doesnt wanna fit in the binary).

>Should they have any specific role?

The only real special role women have, which is not up to any of us to change, is giving birth to children and breastfeeding them. At least, we cant change it yet, perhaps in the future

>What's your take on this? Where do you draw your conclusions from?

Egalitarian ideas + experiences. There is no real difference between what men and women do apart from reproduction.

I would even go a step further than >>2867103 and say that women who double down on traditional gender roles are reactionary and should be eliminated (not in such harsh terms). "Trad" women more so than men, trad men are simple reactionaries who seek dominance, but those women undermine the social position and struggle of women as a whole by validating reactionary views, as well as the fact that many of them either seek an idealised "princess" version of womenhood where all the hard labour women originally did such as the household is now mostly taken care of by mechanised means, or they are dealing with phychological problems that lead them to seek a life of subservience to satisfy self-harming urges and needs resulting of their trauma (daddy issues, self image issues, etc). In the former case, such leeches ought not to be allowed, and those types tend to be the female version of the dominance seeking male, often taking advantage of less secure partners, and in the latter case they ought to be helped rather than indulging in damaging behaviour.

Any person who damages their own interest without good reason is both damaging to the interest of their 'group', other groups, as well as damaging to themselves.



I must ask you to go back to plebbit

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ITT: movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting, etc.

This is a voluntary thread that users can choose to post in, if… I forgot the rest of whatever the old OP was. Honestly, I just wanted to bring this old thread back.

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My favorite part is where they basically come out and say cops are just running a racket


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Holodomor believers BTFO



the holodomor beyond it's historical realities entails a propagandistic construction which is erroneous. It is in the same way holocaust deniers say the event never even occurred - they are just stupid and confused between the plurality of a distinct reality. And in postmodern times, the truth and fantasy of a situation can become without distinction, such is the state of anti-communist propaganda.



Serious question, was Solzhenitsyn just the world's biggest shitposter or something? Everything about him seems to be that he was simultaneously selling the west absolute bullshit and, at the same time, laughing about how he was selling the west absolute bullshit

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