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 No.1223672

Why most leftist political parties in Europe hate whites and want to replace European high culture with a mix of Islamic fundamentalism, African tribe rituals and disgusting sexual fetishes?

 No.1223679

>Will trade racists for rapists

what

Also disgusting fetishes is subjective.


 No.1223684

>>1223679

>Also disgusting fetishes is subjective

I should change the term to harmful as in what effect would it have on society.


 No.1223686

File: b6ba3f1a852db23⋯.jpg (150.91 KB, 778x800, 389:400, karlture.jpg)

it's because they pray to kultur marx


 No.1223693

>>1223684

>as in what effect would it have on society.

I hope everything you do is for the good of society with that attitude fam.

That aside, I personally do it, because I know it pisses people off. I want to marry a black tranny just to post the pics up on pol and then be blacked by another black man while my "gf" watches. Then before I go to sleep every night I'll pray to Adorno and thank my lucky (shooting) stars.


 No.1223764

>>1223672

The joke's on you because everyone on leftypol is trans black.


 No.1223769

>>1223679

The original image was "Will trade racists for refugees."


 No.1223773

>>1223764

We are all adopted?


 No.1223775

>if you don't hate X than you hate Y

why can't /pol/ypes be rational?


 No.1223776

>>1223775

if you don't want X to move into your country you hate X


 No.1223777

>>1223776

forgot to greentext


 No.1223783

>>1223672

>European high culture

hahahahahahahaha


 No.1223788

>>1223776

>enforcing the residency of X people in X country and Y people in Y country is so revolutionary guise


 No.1223800

>>1223788

>alienating the working class is so revolutionary guys


 No.1223801

>>1223672

>culture

Meaningless term. What you you mean by culture?


 No.1223802

>>1223800

You're not revolutionary or protecting the interests of the working class.


 No.1223805

>>1223801

wow you are really cleaver


 No.1223807

>>1223805

Yeah he's pretty cleaver


 No.1223809

>>1223800

>it's not us racialists who are turning people into aliens, illegal or otherwise, it's really you people who are apathetic about my personal cultural origins that are alienating!


 No.1223811

>>1223802

so how does immigration benefit the working class?


 No.1223813

>>1223809

>the working class is totally not tired of mass immigration and are therefor voting for right wing populist parties


 No.1223816

>>1223813

>those people who were forced to migrate into my region because of my own region's foreign policy are totally not working class!


 No.1223818

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>>1223805

I'll take my cleaver to you, fam.

Culture is vague to the point of meaninglessness. Say what you mean by "culture" or we can just assume that this is just another empty appeal to emotion you Nazis are so fond of.


 No.1223820

>>1223811

It neither benefits the working class nor harms them.


 No.1223825

>>1223811

If you're speaking on behalf of America

The immigrants are the working class as well. They have been, for decades now, humiliated every god damn election cycle, and used as a tool for white voting impetus.

The second involves refugees of war.

As someone who came from refugees of war from the American working class, I don't respect America, could give less of a fuck about America, hope this hellish nation burns down in hell, but I've still made something of my life from poverty.

You could call me ivory tower intellectual all you want from there, but the fact remains I went to a shit school worked my ass off with no choice but to, and got the scolarships to escape the position I was at.

And there's plenty of stories like mine.

What you're specifically talking about is Muslim immigrants.

Somehow Asians don't apply to the rule, or they're exceptions. They're nice model minorities.

But if only the fucking Muslims would stop entering right?

Fuck off. You stifle innovation by giving nobody working a chance to succeed. White America cannot sustain itself on its own when it hasn't tilled fields in fucking decades, hasn't had auto industry since the 70's, and generally actually refuses to work or give labor when it comes to this board and image boards in general.

If there's one person I can accuse of being careless while talking about labor, it's you, people like you, and people who will be like you.


 No.1223826

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>>1223813

>only the native working class counts, immigrants aren't also working class

>the problem isn't the commodification of labor, it's the over-saturation of labor as a commodity in the market

Nazibols totally aren't just Russophile fascists, though.


 No.1223828

>>1223773

All our moms were whores.


 No.1223829

>>1223816

it's not my country that has ruined the middle east. we ain't even part of NATO


 No.1223832

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 No.1223833

>>1223820

>>1223820

first of it makes it harder for them to acheve class consciousness

second of are you going to ignore how much porky benefits from immigration and how it decreases wages etc?


 No.1223837

>>1223829

What's your job bud? Income? Occupied as a student? What labor are you bringing to the table an immigrant isn't, who has faced potential death. Like my fucking family.

Tell me what makes you so god damn better than my family escaping from Vietnam, or some family escaping Syria, when half the people criticizing them trying to make out a living in an alien nation, are being mocked by people

who

refuse

to

be

in

any sort

of

labor

Why the fuck is that respectable comparatively. Your culture?

You stand on the shoulders of giants and say you're the king of the world.

You did jack shit and the culture you currently have is Capitalist hodge podge. You stand for nothing but bias and lack of foresight.


 No.1223839

>>1223829

>it's not my country that has ruined the middle east.

The Ottoman Empire (which ruined the middle east) wasnt even a country.


 No.1223840

>>1223833

>first of it makes it harder for them to acheve class consciousness

Immigrants are some of the most class consciousness people compared to people like you. I'm speaking from America surely, but Europe is getting more and more liberal as the years go by. You're an example.


 No.1223841

>>1223833

Of course he'll ignore it, he's not interested in arguing in good faith, to him culture, nations that currently exist, all existing antagonisms within the proletariat can simply be dissolved by screeching spook at them or when the FALC global revolution takes over and he can subordinate them and blend into into an amorphous, homogeneous mass via the glorious party. He's an edgy liberal American brat that's perma-assmad about Trump due to Literal-Hitlerism, and hates living in the South and not Brooklyn or somewhere cool.


 No.1223842

>>1223833

>the point isn't to move beyond capitalism, it's just to increase the value of labor as a commodity


 No.1223843

>>1223841

>He's an edgy liberal American brat

That's you, you fuck


 No.1223846

>>1223842

>we can move beyond capitalism tomorrow if we follow my revolutionary praxis of being asshurt about actually existing nationalism


 No.1223849

>>1223833

>second of are you going to ignore how much porky benefits from immigration and how it decreases wages etc?

Look, as long as you are stuck in this paradigm between liberal tolerance and segregationalism we know you don't actually care about anyone's wages. Yes, you are correct when you point out something like illegal immigrants accepting lower wages than native workers so that they can be more competitive, but if they were back in their own country they would be making less themselves, and still yet your wages would not rise (instead something like lay offs might happen since your boss is no longer relying on two forms of labour-one cheap and the other expensive).


 No.1223852

>>1223846

>actually existing nationalism

You're no nationalists. Nationalists have always been supported by the state, the United States, all over the globe.

You're a sick fucking parody of past nationalists who don't have an ass clue about what honor to your nation even fucking means.

By calling yourself a nationalist, your spitting on the graves of your fellow, however more noble, petty nationalists.

You are an election hungry liberal.

That's all you'll ever be.


 No.1223855

>>1223837

>Tell me what makes you so god damn better than my family escaping from Vietnam, or some family escaping Syria

i haven't claimed i am. etter than them.

i wouldn't blame them if they felt the same if the situation was reversed

>and the culture you currently have is Capitalist hodge podge. You stand for nothing but bias and lack of foresight.

yeah i hate modern western culture


 No.1223856

>>1223846

>we can move beyond capitalism by playing within the rules of capitalism an not doing anything that directly challenges it

>advocating nationalist policy doesn't directly hurt the cause of socialism


 No.1223861

>>1223849

The point is neoliberalism only turns labor into a pure commodity, giving capital instantaneous mobility while workers have to uproot their entire lives. It creates a global race to the bottom and guts national sovereignty and union organizing power.

What you edgy romantic teens don't understand is coming to terms with impending resurgent nationalism in places such as Europe, doesn't mean everyone is going to be forced to be a nationalist, or that you have to give your heart and body and soil over to glorious ideology of nationalism, like you want to do with gommunism or whatever half baked anachronistic ideology you've latched onto for brownie points down at the image board.

The left has proven utterly incapable of stopping the neoliberal program over 40 years, which it once vehemently opposed, and for good cause.


 No.1223863

>>1223840

>europe is turning more liberal

because the politician has given up and all become centrists, it's not really what the voters would have wanted. thats why the voters now in frustration vote for the right wing populists.


 No.1223869

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>>1223856

>we should move beyond capitalism by benefiting capitalists


 No.1223870

>>1223829

Neither it's germany's fault who didn't participated and was against intervention, yet they help. Still there's some authentic NS spirit in this country. (meanwhile, former "antiracist" soviet union countries refuse to help and are significantly more racist than the former "racist" Third Reich. Makes you think.)


 No.1223871

>>1223863

I didn't mean liberal as in the soft leftist parody definition you have

I mean liberal nationalist. Liberals who have had their safety net stripped and do what they always do

Trust new politicians to blame the next convenient Other while they fuck them anyways.

That is the American way, and you're accepting it with open arms.

I'm proud of you for being so easily pulled this way and that by foriegn interests.

But as long as they're white, right?


 No.1223873

>>1223869

That's all you're doing by fucking over the working class everywhere.

Honestly, I hope more refugees take Europe, I don't give a shit your nation was taken by war.

The fact the West states will never pay consequence is justification enough to have the consequence on their fucking doorstep.


 No.1223874

we have this thread everyday comrades…


 No.1223877

>>1223874

I know I'm sorry I just found out Spurdo was a juggalo and now can't stop posting.


 No.1223881

>>1223861

>giving capital instantaneous mobility while workers have to uproot their entire lives

The problem here is that you guys have "found" a solution that still functions within capitalism: banning immigration, you've rooted the workers in their respective place, stabilized them so that they cannot escape the coercive effects of hunger on their decision to sell their own labour power. Capital still flows just as smoothly as before, if not moreso, being passed around no longer in person but in financial documents, foreign trade agreements (which is really just an excuse to ship to larger demographics, and bring their natural resources back to the hoard you have at home).


 No.1223894

>>1223852

>not American

>didn't care too much if Hilary or Trump got in, leaned more Trump due to transformative potential / geopolitics / ABSOLUTE INERTIA

>not racist

>not national-chauvinist

>not ethnic nationalist

You're Amero-centric, ignorant, racist, bigoted Vietnamese ethno-nationalist, you're either anticommunist because of this and trying to sow discord or you're only """communist""" due to your national pride, and you think in terms of national revenge, yet you have the temerity to be inauthentic about it and posture as a leftist. You support SJW liberalism which is just another flavor of fascism, but you refuse to admit this because it won't look good for your and your bratty friends. You've decided the West or whites or whoever have no culture, or are simply exactly equivalent with pure liberalism. You come in every thread screeching but you can't just be real. No one would really care, in fact it's pretty common on places like, oh say, /pol/. Might explain why you have this massive, all-consuming grudge against them.


 No.1223901

>>1223881

Of course we have found a solution that operates within capitalism. You can't even really have socialism in one country, all solutions except total world revolution have to deal with capitalism, and even then. It's called reality. You can still push your utopian pure ideal in case there is a collapse meanwhile dealing with what you have.. But that wouldn't be edgy or teenage or commensurate with the neoliberal agenda by disengaging you from any practicality as much I guess.


 No.1223905

>>1223894

>You're Amero-centric, ignorant, racist, bigoted Vietnamese ethno-nationalist

No, I just fucking jeer the nationalist crowd. Making white jokes is not focused on all whites.

After all, I have plenty of white friends :v)

>you're either anticommunist because of this

You're a god damn nationalist, all your ideology in the cold war has done is sabotage us. Inside and out.

Give me a god damn reason why I should take your word on it you're "more communist" than I am? Hm?

What makes you less than your accusations of me?

>due to your national pride

I'm communist despite it, I'm communsit when I really should be what you're describing but I realized how stupid I was being and grew the fuck up. Realized immigration wasn't the problem, and that my identity held no responsibility to the nation that evicted me from my home

My home is nothing like it was, I'll likely never visit it. I don't know the whereabouts of many of my family, and they are likely gone.

So excuse fucking me for having some sense of leftover pride since my family are nationalists, and all that they faced is shit that makes them stare off a thousand yards.

Fuck you. Fuck you and fuck your ideology of rejecting immigrants like my parents based on your selfish capitalist interests, blaming the Other while they strip your pockets clean anyways.

You fuck over both them and you.

You're not a nationalist you're a paper fucking tiger.

>this because it won't look good for your and your bratty friends

You are in the anti immigrant crowd of laborless assholes who speak on behalf of the working class immigrants and what their destiny should be.

I fail to see why I shouldn't group you with brats.


 No.1223927

>>1223901

>It's called reality

There's a difference between accepting the direness of one's situation and reifying it. Again, I have to emphasize that you are correct when you point out something like the bourgeoisie using cheap immigration to increase their profits, but what you fail to appreciate is how they are doing it, because open borders is not their only method. Immigrant workers are not only flexible, easy to be controlled, but are made disposable through deportation. The condition of deportable must be created and then reproduced-periodically refreshed with new waves of illegal immigrants-since that condition assures the ability to super-exploit with impunity and to dispose of without consequence, should this labor become unruly or unnecessary. Granting citizenship would undermine much of this power.


 No.1223931

>>1223905

I don't reject immigrants though. Just uncontrolled mass immigration, from certain regions of the world at the moment in particular. Would you accept if a porky political problem just decided to arbitrarily mix up all the SE Asian countries, and start bringing in large populations of Muslims? Do you think that would work, everyone would just go "oh haha I guess we're all proles, all good"? I just think nationalism is inevitable whether you like it or not, you can't jackboot right wing whites to stop it, screeching won't do anything. If it's probably happening anyway, then might as well deal with it.

I'm only a quasi-nationalist because I think most of us are, deep down, in a certain sense and you can't escape this with ideology. Inauthenticity is the hallmark of liberalism, that's why it's so batshit. As much as I despise full on racists, at least they're honest about it. How can you confront something when people at the centre keep it hidden under layers of dissimulation?


 No.1223932

*porky political program


 No.1223939

>>1223931

>from certain regions of the world at the moment

I will never respect this.

>Would you accept if a porky political problem just decided to arbitrarily mix up all the SE Asian countries

I don't give a fuck about Asian identity anymore. So no.

>and start bringing in large populations of Muslims?

I don't give a fuck about Asian identity anymore. So no.

>Do you think that would work, everyone would just go "oh haha I guess we're all proles, all good"?

No.

But comparing yourself to Asia is fucking laughable.

>I'm only a quasi-nationalist because I think most of us are, deep down

Fuck off.


 No.1223950

>>1223927

I'm not reifying anything. You're theoretically solving one part of the problem, (by attacking just one part of the neoliberal problem without trying to gut it altogether) and that's fine. But what you are not realizing is that a certain percentage of the population are going to be far right wing authoritarian inclined whether you like it or not. These people didn't vanish under Communism did they, even with re-education from cradle to grave? Why do you think that is? And forcing too rapid change on these people creates fascism. They generally don't give a shit if you leave them alone, if the change isn't too breakneck. When pushed up against a corner they're dangerous.


 No.1223961

>>1223950

>because a section of this population holds certain opinions we must cater to them above all instead of seeking to create situations where one's opinions are irrelevant

shiggy


 No.1223970

>>1223939

>I don't give a fuck about Asian/Vietnamese identity any more

Since when?

>But comparing yourself to Asia is fucking laughable.

Ok?

So you think there's no problem with MENA Islam even though it's reactionary religious conservatism, patriarchal, rapey, homophobic etc? Would you live in any of those countries? Why not? You're petit-bourgeois professional, you'll get to not live in a community that has to deal with high levels of immigration. Poor working class people have every reason to find your arrogant and total disdain for them with equal or greater contempt. You're like the ultimate stereotype of what /pol/ portrays people like you as, it's really quite remarkable. People like you are the far right wing useful idiots, not me. How can you be so blinded by your emotions and still consider yourself a euphorically rational class analyst?

>>1223961

Dealing with it is not pandering or catering.


 No.1223974

>>1223873

Every nation was taken by war. Except some of those tiny pacific islands.

But in any case, Europe is not a nation.


 No.1223978

>>1223974

>But in any case, Europe is not a nation.

True, but the financial interest of Western Europe is the same as the financial interest of the states.

Really, the responsibility for war rests on their shoulders, and they should bare the blame. If it was up to any of us, immigrants should be the least of the bougie fucks problems


 No.1223990

>>1223978

By that logic all the kids who did the killing fields in Cambodia should be held accountable for the orders of Khmer Rouge, and so on. You blame white people for the crimes of the bourgeoisie. You think the war hawks just somehow manifested the will of the nation or something, like you think liberal democracy under class rule functions perfectly to translate direct preferences from free, sovereign individuals - which as we know - isn't quite correct, unless of course you happen to be a full blown liberal, and even then they'll screech about propaganda. It's ludicrous, it's purely ethno-nationalist thinking, you just equivocate it with anti-capitalism when it suits you.


 No.1224002

>>1223978

>Really, the responsibility for war rests on their shoulders, and they should bare the blame.

For the wars they were involved in. Sure. They have some blame.

But for instance, when one band of native tribesmen kills another 3500 years ago in central America and takes their land then you cant really blame modern Europe for that.


 No.1224011

>>1223970

You're right, again, but you are not really dealing with it. A ban on immigration will not stop illegal immigrants. They're already illegal. Moreover, acting in complete complicity to the right wing narrative on immigrants is definitely pandering. How sad this makes me actually…that this shows exactly the ideological deadlock we are in today. Faced with only an either/or, open borders/closed, we cannot come up with a proper solution outside the system.


 No.1224015

Europe is over, its a dying museum.

The decline is too deep.

I don't care about liberal leftists they are a symptom of the decline.

However I think Socialists countries in the Mediterranean and eastern Europe, and a socialistic version of Islam has great emancipatory and creative potential.


 No.1224017

>>1223990

>By that logic all the kids who did the killing fields in Cambodia should be held accountable for the orders of Khmer Rouge, and so on

You don't understand how wealth works.

Our problem is not responsibility, its profit from it.

They profited from Cambodia, at least the CIA did. The Cambodians however, did not.

>You blame white people for the crimes of the bourgeoisie

I meant rich, learn to read.

I don't have any sympathy for your crocodile tears however, which flood the rest of this post.


 No.1224039

>>1224011

>can't find a proper solution

That's why I tried to open the discourse. Because the far right is definitely planning ahead. And no, they aren't all on /pol/ sperging out and announcing it for you.

>>1224017

lol I was foolish to try think you could ever engage honestly on this. I don't know why everyone can see this but you. The thing is, even though people on here get ultimately assmad about it, and your friends won't like hearing about it, acknowledging what you are doesn't make you evil, it just makes you human. In the mean time, you can't confront jack shit, and can never make a reasonable argument until you can be honest with yourself, and right now you're essentially getting puppeteered by the far right because of it.


 No.1224045

>>1224011

>A ban on immigration will not stop illegal immigrants

depends on what country. in europe the immigrants mainly comes for the social services so if they aren't alowed to use them because they don't get citisenship they won't come.

in america however the illegal immigration problem could be solved if they actually where serious about going after the employers/porkies hiring illegals


 No.1224050

>>1224039

Of course. That's also why now is as good a time as any to arm oneself since our enemies are not just gonna be some reactionary NEET boys on a Malaysian scrapbooking site.


 No.1224051

>>1224017

>reddit spacing


 No.1224054

>>1224039

>and your friends won't like hearing about it,

I'm not pro immigrant because of white liberals.

I'm pro immigrant because I happen to be from a similar position, and my family was openly chastised like these Muslims were.

So at the end of the day, if it becomes between sympathy of Westerners, and sympathy of victims of forever war in the East

I'll pick the latter on principle.

Not just on principle. Really, on the fact most of them are labor, while most complaining about them stealing labor, are not in labor.

>>1224051

Old habits die hard.


 No.1224058

>>1224054

>I'm pro immigrant because I happen to be from a similar position, and my family was openly chastised like these Muslims were.

Maybe dont move to a country that you hate.

Just a suggestion.


 No.1224062

>>1224058

>Maybe dont move to a country that you hate.

If we want to talk about white liberals who are out of touch…


 No.1224064

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>>1224054

>Old habits die hard.


 No.1224067

>>1224051

she also Twitter af #woke lmao

>>1224054

Oh rubbish, you can't hold together a consistent viewpoint over 3 measly posts. And you seem to think your opinion matters because le discourse told you that you were a proud QWoC snowflake. But it doesn't, and no matter how many furious posts you make, it still doesn't. All you are doing is creating propaganda for the enemy, and you're too arrogant to see it. Nothing you say matters until you can grow up. Then maybe you'll have an opinion worth listening to.


 No.1224076

>>1224064

I never posted on Reddit

It's twitter spacing. And I didn't start off with Twitter.

>>1224067

>Oh rubbish, you can't hold together a consistent viewpoint over 3 measly posts

You can keep consistent bullshit, and I admire your consistency.

However I'm being pretty consistent.

I don't give a fuck about your racial bias towards immigrant labor, because in the end you're doing what all nationalists do. Trust the politicians to "solve the problem".

They owe you jack fucking shit and will screw over both of you, and all of us at the same time.

I have no respect for reformists. Nationalists are worse. Reformists nationalists are loathsome to the core.


 No.1224079

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>>1224067

DO NOT BULLY THE ANFEM


 No.1224080

>>1224045

I do not live in Europe so I cannot really say.

As for America, my criticism would be that it's not in the interest of the people with the power to do something about immigration and would therefore not do it. Even should we create a deportation militia or a court to keep such businesses in check, they will just move out of the country, (lest they find themselves laying off current employees to afford the others' wages) probably to some third world hellhole, because capital has free mobility.


 No.1224086

Because "leftism" in the Western world is literally 100% identity politics tacked onto a passive acceptance of neoliberalism


 No.1224088

>>1224086

>Because "leftism" in the Western world is literally 100% identity politics

Oh fuck off.


 No.1224090

>>1224076

I don't have a racial bias. I'm anti-racist lel. I just see that as encompassing reducing creating situations which will guarantee ethnic conflict and even racialist policies coming into being. You can't seem to detatch one from the other, and you do what all bigots do: stereotype. I however don't think bigots are the end of the world, and liberals are often crypto-bigots. So it's ok. What I can't stand is sanctimonious hypocrisy which poisons the left. But people are people I guess, and all I can do is autistically screech about it on here like you do lel


 No.1224094

>>1224090

Material impact through promotion of reform that benefits one racial group over the other, is at its core, racially motivated.

I don't give a fuck if you trust the politicians on their word they'll fix everything by ridding the Other

I really don't.

You're just stupid if you believe that will solve shit, or help labor.

You're both lying to yourself about your motivations for your politics and your interest in protecting labor rights


 No.1224105

I just see randomly blending incompatible cultures at a high speed as a stupid thing to do. And I think neoliberalism kills diversity. I actually like diversity and believe peoples should have self-determination. Obviously it changes over time. But forcing it according to the pure logic of capital is just another layer of shittiness. I respect the trace of the Enlightenment in the culture, not all the consumerist horseshit, whatever you want to call it, and believe it should be retained, as you wouldn't have Marx or probably any emancipatory program without it.

>>1224088

You say "fuck off" that but you honestly do nothing to dissuade that perception and you're loud as fuck about it…

>>1224094

I'm not the one who's lying to myself, Minh. You can't have your glorious world revolution tomorrow, it's not going to happen, so your arbitrary disdain for reforms you don't like because of your vision of the future amorphous proletariat is pure idealism.


 No.1224109

>>1224105

>You say "fuck off" that but you honestly do nothing to dissuade that perception and you're loud as fuck about it…

You are identity politics central.

Changing it to "culture" and "time" doesn't matter.

>You can't have your glorious world revolution tomorrow

I never suggested I would.

>it's not going to happen

Neither are the benefits you believe will be with you by not fighting tooth and nail and trusting politicians to fuck over someone in a group will help you in the slightest.

You will hurt labor.


 No.1224113

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Most of these new immigrants in Germany aren`t even economic migrants, they are leftovers of Algerian,Tunisian and Marcianoian criminals who their representative authorities refuse to take back despite attempts by German federal government.

We need to rebuild the Berlin wall and lock this scum of nafta where they belong. Left should seriously reconsider its stance on them due to events of Cologne and Münch.


 No.1224114

>>1224109

You know I'm not a hypocrite though. I don't have a problem with idpol in theory, it's just how screwy it gets in practice. Culture is just a fact. You can't just wish it away.

And anyway, I'm proposing a new politics. I don't have the answer. I'm just trying to force people to be honest with themselves. After all, that was the whole fucking point of the meme philosophers Stirner and Borbiba.


 No.1224116

>>1224113

>they are leftovers of Algerian,Tunisian and Marcianoian criminals

There are plenty of criminals in your government. Probably more.

You should be more worried about that.

>>1224114

>You know I'm not a hypocrite though

Neither am I for that matter.

>I don't have a problem with idpol in theory

That's the problem.

>Culture is just a fact

It is not a fact. It is dead. History in that regard died in the 20th century.

>You can't just wish it away.

It's already gone.


 No.1224122

>>1224116

You ARE a hypocrite though. That's what having an inconsistent viewpoint driven purely by emotion is. You're just blind to it.

I correct myself, I'm a hypocrite, everyone is. I just strive for less hypocrisy. It's the only way. Left's dead. What else is there.

>end of history

lmao. Francis is that you?


 No.1224126

>>1224116

I don`t really see them conducting mass rape or bringing the good old child rape statistics back form grave like these new "Germans" have.


 No.1224130

>>1224122

>You ARE a hypocrite though

How?

>It's what having an inconsistent viewpoint driven purely by emotion is

It's not driven by emotion. Emotion is a factor.

But the main factor is by voting in populist politicians who promise to rid the other, you are fucking over the working class regardless.

That is the problem. That is my problem with you.

You are trusting reform to solve anything.

You should be more mad at the politicians than the immigrants.

>lmao. Francis is that you?

I never said end of history per se. Just end of culture in that regard.

It's profit. Defense of it is profit. It will always be profit now.

Politics makes an enormous sum of money, particularly elections.

Culture is an abstraction.

>>1224126

>I don`t really see them conducting mass rape

Not on sovereign soil.


 No.1224131

I'm sick of bashing my head against a wall trying to show you how idpol you are. When the fuck did you decide you didn't care about Asian identity? Tomorrow you'll be Viet Cong again. All you do is stereotype me because you can't help it, that's what bigots do. Everything's black and white with you people. You just have an ideology that tells you you're not a bigot, even though you KNOW you are. That's a problem.


 No.1224137

>>1224130

I agree with this post


 No.1224139

>>1224130

I'm not trying to "rid the other", nor supporting politicians that would do that, that's a fantasized version of what I'm trying to accomplish. If you were consistent you'd believe there was little different between Hillary and Trump, and not continually be triggered about Trump. That's why people push your buttons, because you just blindly react. Almost like….. a reactionary.


 No.1224141

>>1224131

>"No, see, actually YOU'RE the bigot," says the bigot.


 No.1224146

>>1224131

>When the fuck did you decide you didn't care about Asian identity

I never was. I just refrenced my past with it, and my understanding of it from the way I grew up.

I also, use white jokes, as a way to bring out the potential idpol in our local nationalist population, to see there's not just one type of idpol out there. By itself its harmless, I don't mean anything by it. It's just bringing out the race idpol that needs to be rid of.

I am not a bigot. I in fact, do not live in a homogenous European area, I live in a melting pot of different cultures, in an area of more income at this point, whatever.

But, I'm hardly a bigot.

I did at one point in time, take what my family did, and that still holds as a bit of shitposting. But it's not ideological in the slightest.


 No.1224148

>>1224141

NazBol doesn't necessarily imply racism though desu. Read Dugin~


 No.1224153

>>1224146

You make really high quality posts. I respect you, comrade.


 No.1224154

>>1224139

>If you were consistent you'd believe there was little different between Hillary and Trump

What the fuck do you think I support Hillary Clinton

>and not continually be triggered about Trump

Last time I checked, I can mock the president of the United States as I goddamn please

>That's why people push your buttons

The only button pushing is me of you since your apparently triggered by my potential bigotry.


 No.1224155

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>>1224146

>just a meme brah


 No.1224157

>>1224155

You don't own a gun socdem, don't larp


 No.1224167

>>1224141

You're a retard if you think I'm a bigot and she isn't hahaha. What are you like 13?

>>1224146

I live in a melting pot as well you idiot. I know tons of Vietnamese people haha.

You're using the exact same pol argument of "just bantz to trigger the sjw's (in this case white sjw's)". Holy shit. We've been over this. You're the problem with ideologues. The rhetoric bends to whatever the moment requires, you'll never hold YOURSELF accountable. Whatever you do is fine. It's the Other that's the problem. Idpol is the entire essense of your being.


 No.1224181

>>1224154

>you're triggered by my bigotry kek

>I'm not mad about trump when did this happen ;^)

Clearly, you can't be honest for 2 minutes continuously. Everything with you is empty rhetoric. Everything. That's why I can't respect you, but I forgive you.


 No.1224183

>>1224167

>You're the problem with ideologues. The rhetoric bends to whatever the moment requires

If you're suggesting I don't mean to bring out the idpol in you by saying "Blonde women, hey, they're pretty dumb" you're moronic. That is not idpol, that's called a joke, and has no ideological backing whatsoever.

My ideology and the SE banter are two entirely seperate god damn things, one I just use to bring out the fact there are a lot of neonats who easily lash out their identity politics on a daily basis about being white.

This isn't about hating you on a sociopolitical, racial, what have you level.

>Idpol is the entire essense of your being.

It hardly is. My politics are entirely based in the material.

You can't keep posting leftypol talking points over and over, you are founded on idpol. You are a nazbol.


 No.1224187

>>1224181

>Clearly, you can't be honest for 2 minutes continuously

Neither can you. Because apparently my burning hatred of the white race is putting you off.


 No.1224190

Just reading this thread, it's hilarious how NazBol btfo all of you lel


 No.1224193

>>1224190

The only thing he's blowing is himself.


 No.1224194

>>1224183

Being an ethnonationalist, the kind of feminist you are, everything, everything about your politics except the thinnest patina of communistic rhetoric is nothing but identity politics.

>>1224187

Nope, I don't give a shit if you hate white people. I find it funny actually. Just not when you pretend it's leftism and have to screech here every single day about it.


 No.1224205

>>1224194

>Being an ethnonationalist

I'm not an ethnonationalist

>the kind of feminist you are

Oh deary me, not feminism

It's not like it has a history in Marxism.

Want to turn this shit flinging into another pointless debate about the merits of feminism from your liberal pov

>everything about your politics except the thinnest patina of communistic rhetoric is nothing but identity politics

You know, I'm kind of sick of being told by someone who wants a specific group of people to just go so he can get a job, actually accusing me of founding my politics on identity

>Nope, I don't give a shit if you hate white people

Christ your dense.

>Just not when you pretend it's leftism and have to screech here every single day about it.

The only one autistically screeching here is you


 No.1224217

>>1224205

>I'm not an ethnonationalist

You are, you just have all of a sudden realized it looks bad or something, and your rhetoric twists around whatever you feel like pretending you are in any given moment. That's why your kind is so poisonous and detrimental. How do you feel about the Japs? You're a racist too. You'll claim you're not now, of course, because you think you can get away with it. I'm too lazy to screen cap every retarded contradictory statement you make, because you do it almost on a thread by thread if not per post basis, and the only one incapable of seeing it is you.

>Marxist feminism

You twisted this one around but it's gutter buzzfeed libfem and you know it. Frankly I've seen nothing from your posts to even indicate you've read Marx.

>You know, I'm kind of sick of being told by someone who wants a specific group of people to just go so he can get a job

lmao, you literally are incapable of seeing me as anything but your stereotype of a /pol/ poster, despite all evidence to the contrary. It's amazing how the bigoted mind works.


 No.1224218

>>1224205

>actually accusing me of founding my politics on identity

Being pro neoliberal mass immigration is a form of IdPol - if you deny that, I'm pretty sure you have nothing against exploiting "free trade agreements" raping African countries? Because if you'd be against them, you'd be a black supremacist following your logic.

I just have no idea why you defend neoliberal globalism considering your trip. He's a NazBol, fair enough, I don't like them either, but you seem to argue just because you get triggered by his flag.


 No.1224224

Why is /pol/ a bunch of trans-whites with African ancestry?


 No.1224228

>>1224218

I'm not a real nazbol it's a shitposting flag tankie. I think they're interesting and fairly based though.


 No.1224229

>>1224217

>You are

I'm not an ethnonationalist

>>1224218

>Being pro neoliberal mass immigration is a form of IdPol

I am accusing you of idpol because your desires are focused on one group politically

That is identity politics, let's get out of the way.

Second of all I see no propositions by you that are not blind trust in politicians and reformism.

This is your second sin.

>I just have no idea why you defend neoliberal globalism considering your trip

Globalism is such an empty fucking term used by empty fucking people.

You don't even know what you god damn mean by it, you're a liberal shit.


 No.1224233

>>1224217

>You twisted this one around but it's gutter buzzfeed libfem and you know it

Last time I checked Assata Shakur is still in Cuba, and you're still comfortable.

Give me a fucking break about how radical you are you dumb shit fuck.


 No.1224238

>>1224233

>muh assata shakur

Please. You don't give a fuck about women's rights anywhere in the world except your shitty American liberal paradise. Reminder that you retards are so incompetent you elected Donald Trump. Great job.


 No.1224240

>>1224238

>You don't give a fuck about women's rights anywhere in the world except your shitty American liberal paradise

What are you basing that on?

>Reminder that you retards are so incompetent you elected Donald Trump

Yeah I agree, Americans are pretty retarded. But that's not an argument, or related to what you've shifted focus on.


 No.1224252

>>1224229

>I am accusing you of idpol because your desires are focused on one group politically

I'm don't though, my focus is class struggle. Neoliberal mass immigration clearly inhibits class struggle.

You don't seem too concerned about class struggle as long as it hurts 3rd world identities. Marx was not a Third Worldist, you know.

>Second of all I see no propositions by you that are not blind trust in politicians and reformism.

I'm not voting for the alt-right and their national lolbertarianism, sorry.

>Globalism is such an empty fucking term used by empty fucking people.

It's not, wtf. Next you are telling me being against international bankers is antisemitic.


 No.1224255

>>1224240

I'm basing it on your total disinterest and derailment and diversion of any topic of interest relating to womens' rights in anywhere in the world that isn't something you can twist into making look bad for American whites. I'm basing it on the fact you're an arrogant, egotistical child with no clear principles.

>Yeah I agree, Americans are pretty retarded

you American ga. You western as fuck

I'm saying you have no clue, no idea, no ideas. Nothing. All you've got is continual whining, contradictory drivel and auto-fellatio.


 No.1224264

>>1224252

>I'm don't though

Right off the bat you're really making this easy.

>my focus is class struggle

Your focus is towards it is misguided.

>Neoliberal mass immigration clearly inhibits class struggle.

First of all you're a liberal shit for thinking American immigration problems and European immigration problems are similar, and can be argued on the same lines

Secondly you're a liberal shit for ignoring the working hispanic class that have been shit on and groped by liberal/conservative electionary identity politics that seem to flare up every election for decades, with little to no pay for their labor.

So spare me you give a shit about the working class.

>I'm not voting for the alt-right

Wow you're a saint.

>>1224255

>>I'm basing it on your total disinterest and derailment and diversion of any topic of interest relating to womens' rights in anywhere in the world that isn't something you can twist into making look bad for American whites

What the honest fuck are you even on about at this point.

Are you saying I'm a feminist to make white people look bad?

What?

>You western as fuck

Despite what you've been lent to believe, there are class lines in America, and there are cultural lines and districts where cultures come together and conglomerate, Asian, black, Latino what have you.

When you say "Western", what do you mean?

Are you Eastern?

There is no solid "Western" experience and what you're doing is similarly what you're accusing me of doing with this "white hate" you think is burning in my SE Asian veins

You also live in Europe, probably nth generational, spare me this Western crap you dodgy liberal.

Before you say it, that's not a slight at whites, that's a slight at you for even thinking your Americanized culture is worth really specifying.


 No.1224273

>>1224264

Ok let me put it this way, the fact you've had to continually inject you ultra-special snowflake """perspective""" into everything like it's so unique and special, like you aren't a dime a dozen, yet you don't even have anything interesting to say about even VIETNAM, is the essense of what goes wrong with idpol. It's your personal brand, it's turned inward looking. This is why i hate neoliberalism. It creates empty consumerist "radicals" like you. Not saying you're a bad person you're just young and confused and you'll probably grow out of all this bullshit. Right now you're just not mature enough to understand that what you tell yourself you believe and what you spin through rhetoric at any given moment is totally different to having a principled ideology.


 No.1224275

*turned purely inward looking

As in it's not about emancipation, it's about YOU.


 No.1224279

dude pointless argument lmao


 No.1224280

>>1224273

>Ok let me put it this way, the fact you've had to continually inject you ultra-special snowflake """perspective""" into everything like it's so unique and special

I do suppose that's a problem if it's annoying. But you're desperate if you think it's political.

>like you aren't a dime a dozen

Like people who bitch about immigration aren't liberals along similar lines.

>is the essense of what goes wrong with idpol

I'm bringing it up to remind the material consequence of war and how it can effect in the context of refugees, as I have experience, being the daughter of refugees.

If you think it emotion based, so be it. But I would rather speak on experience than blindly trust your word on whatever political talking points are popular at a given point.

Today being anti immigrant. Your accusation I'm only doing this for "popularity" is amusing considering it gives me anything but on a board like this, but nonetheless I am willing to debate.

You accuse me of being over emotional.

So far, all your arguments towards me have not been based in anything but emotional response to what I'm saying.

>This is why i hate neoliberalism

You want reformism, you love it. Don't say you don't, you admitted it earlier you seek no revolutionary potential and hope to keep us in check by voting for anti immigrant European legislation as if that will help the working class and not equally fuck it in different manners and ways.

>Right now you're just not mature enough

Fucking spare me.


 No.1224287

>>1224280

>fucking spare you

Spare you the truth? Sorry, truth hurts. :^)

I have worked with refugees. You don't know anything about me, or anything about the world for that matter, your blind ignorance has been demonstrated many times, you'll just sweep it under the rug though, as you're too childish to need to care, because you just KNOW the other naughty bad people are WRONG. You exist in your Twitter and college perma-adolescent bubble and you don't have to have responsibility for your beliefs yet. You will. Anyway, you've been slightly less terrible to talk to then usual today. I appreciate you putting in some minor effort to your posts for once.


 No.1224298

No, i do not give a fuck about that. I believe the countries that supported ISIS are the ones that should receive the refugees. It's they who created this problem.

I don't give a shit about EU or "european identity".

I don't have a problem with immigrants from our former colonies. In fact i like them, they're mostly good people, enjoy simple life and integrate very well as long as they aren't forced to live in ghettos.

What i do not like is immigrants from other european countries. Especially retired old fucks that never bother to learn the language or to talk with other people. Germans, french, dutch, are fucking scum. I do not like this people at all.

I do not like chinese that come here to open their stores and sell their useless garbage, because the EU cooked an agreement with China. Fuck the EU.

We never needed the rest of europe for nothing and never will.


 No.1224300

>>1224287

>Spare you the truth?

Spare me your over emotional sappy bullshit thematics.

>I have worked with refugees

Bravo.

>You don't know anything about me, or anything about the world for that matter

The world ends where yours begins, I assume.

>your blind ignorance has been demonstrated many times

That's very general. Point out where, again? Because all I've gotten from this is your pissed off, misunderstanding what I'm saying, and spouting political opinions that are counter to what interests the working class, and said you weren't racist a lot. As if I was accusing you of racism and not liberalism.

>you'll just sweep it under the rug though, as you're too childish to need to care, because you just KNOW the other naughty bad people are WRONG

Honestly what the fuck are you arguing at this point.

Are you talking politicians? Are you suggesting we do or don't focus on politicians more or less than immigrants?

>and college perma-adolescent

Again spare me your crocodile tears.

I had to work my ass off, both my parents lived South East LA and worked in retail just to get me an education, and they worked my ass off to get meat on the table.

I am here off scholarships and other such. I am in debt, perhaps it wasn't wise, but it was the only choice I had to make my life better.

If you want to make this about personal experience, after telling me off for making posts about personal experience, I'll gladly annoy you more with mine.

Because you don't know shit about how hard it is to manage to get where I'm at from where I was, and you don't know shit about the American education system, and you generally don't know shit about what your arguing about

You think all college aged people are the same.

>You will

I'll try to meet your standards when you actually form a concrete argument for what they should be dumbass.


 No.1224320

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>>1223869

>contrarianism

Just launching the nukes and ending the world in a nuclear holocaust wouldn't benefit the capitalists either. It doesn't make it a smart move.


 No.1224331

>>1223672

>pedosexual

You ever notice how you never see kids agitating for the rights of oldmansexuals?


 No.1224626

Cultural Marxism aint cool. The fruits of aryan culture gotta be littered with the blood of non-whites. 🍀🍀🍀Karl Marx🍀🍀🍀 aka the anti-christ was a crypto-zionist terrorist, and probably a irrelevant shiter :DD Heil Hitler not black lives MATTER ok. Praise kek


 No.1224656

Because you are fucking stupid

Reported


 No.1224669

>>1223679

>falling for the obvious /pol/ shop




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