So is Corbyn more anti-EU than Farage at this point?
It's more how he's actually anti-EU.
UKIP doesn't really want an isolated Britain, they just don't want browns. The financial exploitation, sure, they're fine with keeping that.
Clearly the Corbyn Prophecy Meme needs an update. I feel like the first track on the Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory soundtrack(appropriately titled "Rising") would be worth using in a propaganda video.
>Front Bench Labour MPs
Experience in marxist theory is needed
Went to /brit/pol/ to see what their opinion on this whole situation was and forgot how shit it was there. Not sure if I'm just missing something but it all seems so hypocritical. They want to leave the EU but shit talking him for doing so, they want a strong leader but Corbyn doing this is bad.
Also some other bs about how "far left" groups never protest in muslim communities and only "rich white ones". Where in reality they protest in cities which already according to them are "muslim infested shitholes" and if that wasn't a flaw already why the fuck would you protest in some low income neighbourhood where no one would see you and there would be no media coverage because it disrupts no one?
Whatever. Every now and then I just have to sperg out at /pol/ so that should tide me over for a while.
political spectrum idpol
I had some pretty good conversations on britpol on 4chan when I was there shilling for Jezza.
But mostly late at night when the mummy's boys had cleared off.
/brit/ on 4/int/ is pretty funny. there's a continuous stream of butthurt rorke's sperging about the leftypol boogeyman.
fellow oap wanting to know too
rorke is the antithesis to 'rasheed' which is the standard reply to a politically correct / 'anti-white' type post. comes from people shit posting about the battle of rorke's drift i believe
Tories will cling on for 5 year and ride their luck, only the govt can call a snap election.
Things change fast these days and they could be a lot more popular at the next GE.
>It fucking drives me insane that the BBC - notionally with an obligation to educate the public, or at least stimulate debate - didn't bring up anti-austerity economists regularly as part of a "plague on all your houses" strategy towards Miliband, Cameron and Clegg. Instead they just triangulate within the liberal consensus. It's not that I expect better (my expectations from the corporation at this stage shoot straight into negative-quality territory.), but goddamn we deserve better.
This is the key to winning. Most people unironically think austerity is a good thing, however unpleasant.
They consider it medicine, while most actual economists think it's cancer.
In the past these sort of governments only last about 2 years I would say an election by 2020 at the latest. Either caused by hard Brexit Torys getting bitter of DUP influence on Brexit or soft Torys getting angry at DUP deal. At the moment everyone is not saying much about it to try and keep the peace in the Tory party. All it takes is 14 days of Torys not being able to vote against a vote of no confidence and then a general election happens automatically.
>They consider it medicine, while most actual economists think it's poison.
Porky never changes.
>The Labour leader had ordered his MPs to abstain rather than vote with Streatham MP Mr Umunna. The amendment was defeated by 322 to 101.
W E W
I can't wait for the day the farce of a left-right dichotomy dies.
It's strange, cuck/pol/ has infested nearly every board there, yet cuck/pol/ itself is surprisingly not-hair-tearingly horrible.
Know it's a cunt thing to think but I can't help but wonder if I jump on the student politics bandwagon now whether I could nepotise my way into a backroom job in the Labour party or not.
It's purely academic thought, mind you (because I'm lazy and chronically avoid commitment), but it'd be nice to be a careerist wonk who actually has a soul to boot.
>Careerist sat at the back of the Labour Party not really doing anything
Well, at least you can pretend it's for something good instead of just slaving away for porky every day
You should do it. Better a leftist than some Blairit filling that role.
hahahaha what a champ
Every day we joyously stride closer to God's light.
What's he not clapping about?
what's our foreign policy going to be like under corbyn anyway
somehow i don't think we'll be going full death to america but you never know
Just copy paste the IRA goals and methods onto international policy, obviously
Can we tag on testing Trident on Saudi Arabia? Pretty please? I mean, how can you say you don't love Britain and want to incinerate our enemies if you aren't ever going to make sure it can actually turn the bones to ashes?
Theresa May was willing to kill millions of innocents, I say we make sure we maintain that capability by testing it on at least a couple hundred thousand of guilty by proxy.
Bloodthirsty socdem strikes again
We need someone to keep shouting at black rod when Skinner leaves.
he says. pretending Liberals won't get the bullet too
Don't know what Corbyn is but that's definitely what I am.
Tell me you're joking or we should all be very afraid.
This was just 24 hours before Chuka Umunna successfully kamikaze'd PLP unity over the single market brexit question, throwing open the civil war which had been laid to rest by corbyn success, that too when the tories were facing the most pressure over NI abortions and pay caps.
zizek's a prophet right?
chuka doesn't seem to be getting much sympathy thankfully
Cannot believe I only just started watching [i]The Thick of It[/i]
Although I'm starting to think it might build my bizarre vision of Alistair Campbell as "The good Blairite" to disturbing proportions. (I mean, it's only about an inch tall and it's already quite frightening, sitting at the end of the bed calling me a poncey haired twat and threatening to remove my gallbladder with a straw if I make this post.)
The first show in years I've actually binge-watched 20 minutes at a time until the words stopped making sense.
>[i]The Thick of It[/i]
If it's the formatting: The words still aren't making sense and I shitpost on other imageboards with different formatting. (At least I look less of a twat than when I use doubled-up-single-quotes on imageboards that use [i])
If it's the show: I will fucking fight you lad.
probably because he kept a low profile during the election campaing, it's painfully obvious chuka is out for himself and nothing else
I don't recall seeing this here, but here's a verrrrrrry interesting internal Labour document, enticingly called Alternative models of ownership.
> The predominance of private property ownership has led to a lack of long-term investment and declining rates of productivity, undermined democracy, left regions of the country economically forgotten,and contributed to increasing levels inequality and financial insecurity.
>These issues are all the more pronounced given the increasing levels of automation in our economy. Automation has an emancipatory potential for the country’s population, but the liberating possibilities of automation can only be realised – and the threats of increased unemployment and domination of capital over labour only countered – through new models of collective ownership that ensure that the prospective benefits of automation are widely shared and democratically governed.
I just came several times reading through that article.
I mean, it's not as radical as I would have liked, but god damn if it isn't a start
trident will be used against yorkshire secessionists
On the caliphate of Birmingham please
Momentum's next plans for the coming year. For trots they are bloody organised.
momentum aren't actually trots are they?
anyone @ the demo today? any streams for those of us who cant make it?
In terms of general stances and activity: yes. In terms of theory, they have none.
>momentum are trots
t. tom watson
You know as I sit and think about the insanity of my own political position*, I can kind of see why the ladder climbing slimeballs in Scottish Labour have such a pathological hate for the SNP. For me, it's a confusing situation where there's a fork in the road and I've gone to sleep in the car rather than commit - for them it's a leisurely Sunday drive to power (or at least shadow cabinet) down the Labour road being disrupted by colliding head-on with a freight train at a level crossing. (Don't focus too much on the topography of this metaphor alright?) Incredibly inconvenient would be an understatement.
*At the crazy intersection between being pro-Independence, pro-Corbyn, anti-Scottish-Labour, but with a deep desire to basically fold into UK-wide Labour politics. It's like that weird opposite side to Scotland being ignored, where the relevant Scottish factors are instead loudly in play.
what gave it away :^)
Tbh any proper leftist stances that the SNP had have died with their push to become a broad front for independence (as opposed to Plaid Cymru, which is still pretty lefty). Yeah the Scottish labour party is full of blairites, but there is only one way to fix that: join it and make John Maclean proud.
I just wanted to say it because Rot is also Red in German.
I could stomach joining it to move it left if it wasn't permanently bound to be unionist by default. (But weirdly, I'd love to just join Yorkshire Labour or something and bugger the whole issue. Like I said, fun crazy position.) Or at the very least if they just shut their faces on the constitution and let another independence referendum pass. (I'll spare any detailed elaboration on the constitution. Like I said: Crazy positioning.)
It's worth noting that the SNP strictly speaking started as a broad front and only developed left-wing stances in their push for electoral success. (I forget the exact details at this time and I'm too lazy to Google, but there was a lefty pro-independence predecessor party and a rightish home-rule one IIRC.) Though this plays to our favour because it means they're duty bound to back a Corbyn government out of self interest as much as anything else.
they're very good at making propaganda
a lot of liberal friends have been sharing their videos
>join it and make John Maclean proud.
Do affiliated trade union members in Scotland have the same input as affiliated trade union members in England?
Whilst affiliated members can't vote for the NEC or regional heads etc, they can vote for the party leadership, hence how I managed to vote for Corbyn to be leader without being a Labour Party member (I joined after, not sure I would have joined if Burnham was the leader).
So if you do have reservations about being a Labour Party Member in Scotland, then just join an affiliated union, support your fellow workers when they need it and vice versa, and have a say on who runs the Labour Party without being fully committed.
Well as long as they don't enter mitosis it's all good.
Liberals are dead-set on soft Brexit, and I have no doubt it's because of muh free trade spookery. But then again, I don't know what will be the impact of staying out of the common market and customs.
Could have sworn The Guardian used to be left wing.
Eh, they do but a lot of scottish unions aren't affiliated. That's because scotland has its own TUC (that has been a thing since hte 1880s) so only the GB-wide unions that have members in scotland affiliate with labour. The STUC specifically says it will be politically neutral (in this day and age, I imagine it is to prevent a split over separatism, in days of old it was because they felt the TUC would be so large it would dominate over Scottish interests). In conclusion, depends on the union.
The Guardian is the standard bearer for Blairism.
one poll has labour on 40% percent though, which is troubling
although i imagine whatever ground they lose now will be regained next election, corbyn is very good at campaigning
>I'm not sure how they're funded either
by you comrade
What about the Mirror?
C-can you imagine a victory with, dare i even conceive such a thing, over 50% of the vote?
It would be the greatest mandate in British history since the Wartime coalition.
Could you rename your image and gif posts so that we could figure out what it is without opening it?
>posting loli porn without any indication of what it is when it has absolutely no context or relevance to the discussion
The rojavafags were banned, but this guy can post
I really hope someone calls for a vote of no-confidence within this year especially during the heat of the EU negotiating just to further tear the government appart flatining any chance of the conservatives running a decent election campaign
Hell just renaming the image file would be enough. and thanks for being courteous.
Why is this being posted outside of /leftytrash/ anyway. fuck off with your shitty porn.
just need to wait for the next inevitable consequence of austerity to manifest - Grenfall was one domino to fall, who knows what is next
literally no relevance to the discussion at hand, this guy just wants to share his shitty fetish
you should have stayed banned you subhuman piece of garbage
Fuck off out of the last decent thread on the board you cancerous little faggot.
> the Morning Star, and that's hardly mainstream
they usually have a copy in most newsagents
don't know if anyone actually buys them though
>just get a VPN lol
>what do you mean the good ones cost money and the free ones sell your info
>what do you mean not everyone is a neet waste of oxygen like me that just live's on mummy's money
Im always sad when an article has no comment section.
imagine what it's like living life without having to pay rent, without having to pay for food, without having to pay for your child's bullshit, and then imagine you spend all your opportunities and all your excess cash to buy a VPN so you can post child porn on a leftist image board
fuck off /pol/, we know you're trying to frame us as paedophiles and it won't stick. being weeaboo pedos is your kind's game
I'm not worried about going to jail for your fetish. I'm angry about you shitting up discussion when your images are of no importance to the thread.
>oh yeah just use tor
>nevermind the fact that your pc can then be used as a node for some faggot to buy drugs or cheese pizza
eat shit and die, tbh fam
now getting to the actual thread at hand
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 41% (-)
LAB: 40% (-4)
LDEM: 7% (+1)
UKIP: 2% (-)
GRN: 1% (+1)
(via @Survation, 28-30 Jun)
Chgs w 17 Jun
What did they mean by this
that gif of may laughing makes her look retarded and people who post it unironically in support of may look even more retarded.
>oh yeah just use tor
>nevermind the fact that your pc can then be used as a node for some faggot to buy drugs or cheese pizza
Using Tor doesn't make you an exit node. Don't post disinformation.
The new centre party is here already – and it won the election
<The arithmetic of a hung parliament means that an informal coalition of centrist Conservatives and centrist Labour MPs holds power
John Rentoul, Labour-supporter-but-not, continues to display the total ravaging of his rectum in his ongoing rampage of rage.
>What did they mean by this
probably an outlier, maybe a couple of libs defecting to the LDs because of the single market stuff. they'll come back when it counts
She reminds me of Clinton a little with her bizarre facial expressions
>the same people who made a coalition with the political wing of the old testament, the DUP
really makes you think
centrism now includes killing catholics
>I'm angry about you shitting up discussion when your images are of no importance to the thread.
<Nobody complains about this when it's not loli
Really gets those synapses blasting
>Nobody gets angry when nobody posts loli
<So I post loli because I am a cool dude
Some threads later:
<wtf! why everyone hate on pedos!
<we are just human beans! we literally did nothing wronk!!
<as if you want to put us all in a gulag how rude!!!!
I'm not that guy lol but yeah, those last three pinktexts but unironically.
stop giving him attention, anon
he does this shit because his dad never spent enough time with him so now he has this complex where he seeks attention. he does this by posting CP on unrelated threads. Just stop giving him (you)'s and he'll kill himself eventually
>when May is getting a negative rating and Corbyn having a positive rating
Wtf is UK thinking right now?
they're hearing the people sing, singing the songs of angry men
>tfw there will never be a good communist movie
Pedos are forced to anonymise their IPs which allows them to act even bigger faggots than the average anon on their home IP, which they regularly do as you are doing now. Don't try and pull a fast one on me you little victim, loli has been banned here for weeks because of laws against it and you were given fair warning.
Uuuuh Battleship Potemkin?
That doesn't explain why the leader polling is slightly inverse to the party polling
>what is land and freedom
>what is libertarias
>what is reds
wew and that's just off the top of my head
That was an outlier fam. Wait until the next poll
Last time that happened was Stanley Baldwin in 1931, where the tories won 470/615. The main thing is now about margin: 1931 had a stupidly large margin so that's how he won 76% of the seats.
Dude, Battleship Potemkin is 1925.
it's from 1925, how is it modern?
Regardless, Brazil is pretty lefty.
it's probably an outlier, labour have been steady at aroung 45% for a while now, i don't think 5% are going to desert because of chuka or whatever
>I don't know what will be the impact of staying out of the common market and customs.
It will be quite bad unless there's a deal that largely replicates us being sm+cu members.
The Grauniad lost its brains, its heart and its balls at about the time they destroyed their HDs with Snowden files. They had been doing the world a favor by publishing them via Glenn Greenwald, then they suddenly stop, and 4 days later they destroy the HDs with fucking power tools under the watchful eyes of GCHQ gimps. I can only wonder what kinds of deals were made in those 4 days. Is there a way to know if there was a change in editorship or even ownership in this interim?
Oh yeah, I was also reminded of this while googling:
>Hence the extraordinary step taken last week by France, Portugal, Spain and Italy, of denying airspace to Bolivian president Evo Morales's executive jet, wrongly suspected of carrying Snowden from Moscow to Latin America.
what do you mean capitalists from differents countries collaborate haha what a conspiracy theory bro "class colaboration" yeah right haha
damn, that's the longest huhuhu I've seen yet
>>tfw there will never be a good communist movie
Dude… you're a filthy nekulturny.
internet comments sections are the worst thing mankind has invented
They were decent in the UK when the Indy used disqus. Never integrate with social media.
Suddenly the lizard-people theories make sense to me.
>my local momentum shittalking tories in the comments
And to think I was convinced the Tories were going to gain a constituancy here.
It was a real possibility in the last few weeks, but Merseyside stayed strong.
Very much so. We even went from a 500 to 5000 majority in my seat.
>join it and make John Maclean proud
SLab and Labour by extension are both simply the left wing of British capital. They have an institutional attachment to the British state and will never do anything to weaken it in any way. Corbyn is a bad joke gone out of hand to them, and his radicalism will be reigned in eventually.
When it comes to looking at Scotland, I feel like ironically a 3rd-worldist/classically marxist-leninist view of the situation actually helps:
There can be no national emancipation without the constructive efforts of the national bourgeoisie, and class emancipation must naturally follow national emancipation.
Yes, the SNP are a bourgeois-nationalist party. But in Scotland we have two things already in favour: its *indigenous* capitalist class being near-extinct for almost a century, and the SNP being transformed from inside by a vast working-class lefty membership.
Labor approval shot up during the election in part because the Television media were required to allow Corbyn to defend himself from their lies and smears. Now the post election high is wearing off and the media can continue their Bourgeois boosterism without equal time or right of reply. I would be surprised if Labor's numbers don't begin to decline somewhat, but I don't think it's anything to be concerned over.
(GDP per capita PPP as compared to the EU average or something like that. That hilariously out-there dot is the entire London area.)
How come we have two capitals?
One is just "inner London" whatever that means, the other is the entire London area.
haha we are so fucked when london is kill
City of London produces nothing but meaningless numbers. If you removed the finance "industry" from that graph, it wouldn't be very impressive.
The City of London is a little micro-sized country within London that's openly run by corporations.
Regular London is called metropolitan London.
It's time for another round of dumb takes about Corbyn.
>Owen Smith says he 'might have gotten us to win'
Come back when you have thousands of new Labour voters chanting your name
nothing spookier than a man in a tie
>he's literally wearing a tie
Isn't corbyn famous for not dressing up like other politicians? Is this a parody piece?
Reminder that during Owen Smith's speech at the Labour leadership debate he said "Now, you could have this man," and signaled to Corbyn, and the audience went wild and cheered for half a minute, ruining his speech.
Yeah pretty funny, completely unintentional too (unless the headline writer is a genius saboteur)
Yeah, one of the most popular clips of him is him calling out the Tories for stepping out of large limos with even larger bellies in their dinner party clothes, gets chastised for wearing a sweater, and tells the journalist straight it's a nice sweater and his mum knitted it and it's good for the weather and being around parliament.
They will always find some dickhead willing to criticise something he does or doesn't do.
Jezza can literally never win with these scum.
tbh this is another reason I have doubts about joining Labour. Women, particularly Blairite women appear to have a relatively strong and distinct power base. (Hell, as far as I know they've even got representation quotas for some committees - at least at the lower levels. Maybe the SNP do too, but still, offputting.)
If I'm going to engage in factional struggle I want it to be a recreation of my teenage forum battles, I don't want to have to temper and moderate myself so I don't get hung out to dry for "Sexism" as a result of women not liking my attitude (few do), forced to fight against people who I can't directly replace (and thus have to find other people who I don't really understand or trust to replace them.) and I certainly don't want to pretend I care beyond "Yeah, well that's a good idea but I'm having nothing to do with it, I've got British rail operating sectors to delineate."
Pretty autistic admission but whatever. It's a legitimate piece of potential tedium. and a subtle admission that I enjoy arguing, deep down. Can't even flee to trade unions, as I was gleefully reminded the average trade union member is now a young woman.
>You've hinted you want nothing to do with women… why not go to the board where people discuss their saviour complex towards women?
>tbh this is another reason I have doubts about joining Labour. Women, particularly Blairite women appear to have a relatively strong and distinct power base. (Hell, as far as I know they've even got representation quotas for some committees - at least at the lower levels.
I can confirm that this is certainly true for Labour Party delegates to conference. Every 750 members in your local branch is entitled to have one delegate sent to the national conference to vote on resolutions and put forward resolutions. Half of all delegates must be women, if only one delegate is sent, then she must be a woman if the previous year's delegate was not a woman.
Similar rules apply to candidate short-listings to candidates running for elections.
What this does is, it effectively halves (assuming women participate at the same rate as men) the pool of potential candidates and allows shitty Blairites or no theory anti-socialist candidates to run with greater ease as better candidates are disqualified for no crime other than having the wrong genitalia.
Can any /brit/ brief me on that baby the hospital is going to kill?
From the Gruniad:
>His parents, from Bedfont in west London, want to take him to the US to undergo an experimental treatment but doctors at GOSH said that, given Charlie’s condition, the therapy was unlikely to have a beneficial outcome.
>British courts ruled that it would be lawful for the hospital to withdraw life-sustaining treatment because it was highly probable Charlie would suffer significant harm if his life was prolonged without realistic prospect of an improvement. They cited established human rights law, which dictates that the rights of a child should take precedence over the rights of a parent.
That's pretty fucked up tbh
>Labour’s right wing has launched a new plan to rein in Jeremy Corbyn’s power despite his growing standing within the party following the general election result
>The battle plan, issued to activists just a week after Labour overturned Theresa May’s majority, would water down Mr Corbyn’s influence on the party’s powerful executive by drafting in extra members likely to be hostile to him.
>The manoeuvre is the latest sign of the continuing guerrilla warfare taking place behind the scenes in Labour, with Mr Corbyn’s own supporters undertaking a counteroffensive to try and cement the left’s grip on the party.
>The new rule change backed by the party’s right would reduce the proportion of seats on the National Executive Committee directly elected by ordinary party members and increase the proportion appointed by local authority councillors – who are thought to be more hostile to Mr Corbyn.
>The plan, which would double the number of councillor-appointed seats from two to four on the tightly-contested body, comes from the Labour First group. Labour First describes its mission as being to “ensure that the voices of moderate party members are heard while the party is kept safe from the organised hard left”.
>The left won a clean sweep of all six of the elected members’ representatives in the 2016 NEC but Mr Corbyn’s allies have struggled to get their way in the body because other parts of the committee are appointed or elected by MPs, councillors, or other elements in the labour movement. The NEC is key to controlling Labour, with its sweeping powers to suspend affiliated organisations and party members, as well as change Labour’s constitution.
Quoted text is just a summary. The full article is worth a read, especially if you're a foreigner or haven't been following everything closely
McDonnell is going to be the minister of the gulags right
Sadly thanks to policing cuts inherited from the previous administration, there are no longer sufficient officers to operate the planned Gulag network.
Instead, McDonnell will impose justice for this and other policy disasters from previous regimes as the first Minister of the Ex-Chequers.
Saw him at a talk during Glastonbury. Though about asking him something about Marxism or whatever but I couldn't think of anything at the time.
He probably wouldn't answer. I'd be paranoid someone would be recording it and would use it against me.
Solid point. Pretty sure it was being recorded in some fashion or another.
It's a sign of how far we've fallen as a country that saying you read Marx and liked it draws so much opprobrium these days.
Eh, things are changing: the economist saying "yeh actually marx was bretty gud" helps. There is the entire thing with Farage (pic related) and it seems people are actually starting to understand him again. It helps that we now live 26 years since the fall of the USSR and Marx isn't attached to the soviet union in the minds of the youngings anymore.
The concerted smearjob on Corbyn is the most impressive continuous stream of hilarious imbecility I have ever seen. Trump was smeared far more, of course, but he actually deserved most of it.
>saviour complex towards women
Are we talking about the same /r9k/?
just been on jezza's twitter for the first time in a while, looks like he knows what an important battlefield it is as he's really ramping things up
maybe he'll visit /leftypol/ some day
Threads have been v slow lately.
It's the calm before the storm innit
That's a well edited gif
>now permanent campaign
>soon permanent revolution
>In an interview in Monday’s Morning Star, Corbyn said the party also wanted to promote co-operative ownership models for the media.
Can one man get anymore based?
ONE MAN ONE NEWSPAPER
Don't know why the Guardian would be upset, they've hardly got enough money left to continue at their current size.
>Just when you thought someone could not get more based
Now this is real populism instead of whining about the media like Trump
Titoism with british characteristics
have you seen the alternative methods of ownership report?
God that shit made me hard: the fact it deals with the differing natures of nationalisation, socialisation and cooperativeisation is quite promising too. Shame no syndicalisation though.
Okay, I'm impressed. Smashing the overly concentrated media is a good step towards more democracy, not to mention it harms capitalist propaganda efforts. It's nowhere near as good as nationalizing all media and letting them be administrated by elected, often-replaced common citizens, but it's a start.
>Fire consultant Carl Stokes was paid £244,318 over seven years as fire risk assessor for Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation
>Mr Stokes advised the organisation that they did not have to disclose safety risks and risk being obliged to deploy expensive “additional fire safety measures”
>A Fire Risk Assessment for Grenfell Tower submitted by Mr Stokes to KCTMO in November 2012 suggested burying the report because the London Fire Brigade “have the power to undertake an audit of the fire risk assessment to determine if it is suitable and sufficient or not.”
>Documents obtained by The Mail on Sunday reveal that in 2010, KCTMO wanted to hire a consultant who was willing to take on fire regulators over their demands.
>Mr Stokes was recommended to KCTMO directors by housing official Janice Wray as “willing to challenge the fire brigade on our behalf if he considered their [safety] requirements to be excessive.”
This is murder. They literally hired an inspector for the express purpose of stopping fire safety measures. They spent a quarter of a million dollars making sure these people burned to death.
not quite murder but someone's definitely seeing jail time
This thread just keeps getting slower
You can't expect the hype from the snap election to sustain
Planning to kill loads of people to save money isn't murder? Inb4:
>Their intention was to save money, not to kill
Semantics, they saved money in a manner they knew would kill people. I assume you mean that bourgeois law won't see it as murder, though, and I guess you're right.
Why are women Blairites at all?
because WIMIN R DUM
the fact that the edition is still "snap elections" really triggers my autism
It it worth changing when the title might be relevant again in a couple months anyway?
The only thing spinning will be Adam Smith in his grave
>The only thing
So the products are defective? I thought the invisible hand would've taken care of that!
yes, yes, I know Smith himself criticized the accumulation of market power and the suppression of free market competition that so extensively characterize modern capitalism, stopping short, however, of calling them innate products of capitalist property relations, but this is Meme Hour.
Oh shit you need a BBC account now forgot about that
WHERE THE FUCK IS HE YOU FUCKING LIAR
He's the third speaker, he'll come on later
He was in great leader andrew neils intro
the hardline liberal shill is leaving now thankfully
Fuck, that credits G20 montage with Trudeau and the protests is aesthetic as fuck
Think Andrew Neil despite being a conservative actually quite liked Zizek
I think Zizek is easy for right-wingers to like, not only because he targets his messaging (criticising political correctness and 'leftist liberals') but also because you can't really tell he's a left-winger aside from him stating he's a communist or being more intimately familiar with leftist thought so you can view his statements through the appropriate leftist lens. Saying things like him being a 'leftist conservative' or not clearly denoting the multiculti liberals as separate from leftists makes it easy for rightists to like him because he almost fills the cliche role of an ex-adherent of an ideology criticising it from within and thus supporting the opposition.
> 11.08am 19th September 2014
I remember waking up in tears that morning, when we lost our referendum. Seeing ignorant anglo pricks comment on our internal matters would have thrown me into a fit of rage at the time.
call me spooked or w/e but given the way things are going I'd honestly rather live in neoliberal/succdem Scotland than Corbyn's "socialist" Britain. Leftism is a part of Scottish DNA anyway and sometimes it feels like bringing down the union jack is more important than bringing down child poverty.
>national liberation turns out to be capitalist self-preservation
no one is surprised
>Leftism is a part of Scottish DNA anyway
So is heroin
It would undoubtedly be a long-term net gain for the world if the abstract entity of Britain was torn apart, with all the convenient excuses and lies it allows for. For all the power fantasy, the unwarranted self importance, etc, etc.
Not to mention that unless Scotland leaves the UK, Scottish domestic politics would remain tedious suicide-inducing insanity forever.
Furthermore to some degree, despite the papers on worker ownership I have to wonder if Corbyn (and perhaps even Trump) had some hints of actually being the resurgence of productive capitalism against financial capitalism as opposed to a stronger reaction against capitalism itself. (Which I have to say, I would still consider perhaps the greatest improvement we'd have had available to our lives since the mid 1970s. Bring back the comfortable antagonisms of fordism.)
If you'd have said three months ago that Labour would have an 8 point lead over the Tories in early July you'd have been called a nutter by even the most ardent Corbynites.
Despite my relative optimism I have to note that in conventional circumstances the opposition tends to take the lead in the middle of a term even if they go on to lose the coming election.
These wouldn't seem to be conventional circumstances, though. (Particularly because Labour stalled in the middle and then suddenly lurched ahead during the campaign this time, the continued advance appearing to continue from that instead of the re-election of a government.)
Depends how long this awful alliance between the Tories and the DUP last. Could have another election before the year is up and if both sides keep doing what they're doing, Labour will win in a landslide.
LEAKED DRAFT OF THE 2018 LABOUR MANIFESTO:
1) abolish the monarchy
2) hang the capitalists
3) seize the means of production
4) ship the tories and blairites off to labour camps (geddit) in scotland or some other god awful place
5) reassert control over the territories in british colonial america
6) war with germany
7) legalize nazi-punching
8) repeal the gun ban and increase tv license fees by 13% to pay for a broad-based community program arming the proles
9) liquidate the chads
10) make anime real
We're doing it, boys!
> make anime real
>middle of a term
Almost a month after the election isn't the middle though
>tfw no qt libdem bitchboi cocksleeve to keep my dick warm at night
feels bad man
Are you tired of winning yet, anon?
Labour had the lead in the polls from the 18th of May 1979 (Election May 3rd, Parliament opened 15th) until the Falklands war in 1982.
Interestingly looking back at it, Labour's 2015-2017 polling was dismal before Corbyn was made leader, remaining consistently behind the Conservatives. They only started to decline when the coup attempts began.
>tfw no qt libdem bitchboi cocksleeve to keep my dick warm at night
I hear Nick Clegg is looking for a job.
>Are you tired of winning yet, anon?
Nigga the Left hasn't 'won' in at least 3 decades so no
Yea I guess but that is not what i really meant
It will go higher in the middle
Jesus god anon I said qt not fugly
You also said it was night, so looks shouldn't be as much a factor. (Unless you sleep with the light on, which you should definitely do by the way. t. EDF.)
I checked heights to see if I could make the case he was a manlet compared to contemporaries, but apparently every major figure of the period [i.e. party leaders and (shadow) chancellors] was 1.8-1.85m.
>“I will never hand over our people to a bunch of fucking Fascists”
Leftpill me on based Callaghan, /Britleftypol/
Why would the Tories wait til autumn? I don't get why they didn't get rid of May straight away, they all know she's electoral poison.
he was a qt, in an anglo way, back in the day
Parliament is out of session, also they don't want to give CLPs and other parties the whole summer to organise for war footing in earnest.
Also had first labour meeting yesterday, interseting stuff: for toryshire they do seem to actually like momentum.
I know it's edgy but I hope I'll be able to hang a capitalist with my own hands within my lifetime.
Tories will keep May for as long as she serves her purpose as a human shield.
They'll drop in Jacob Rees Mogg who is the only popular Tory.
And Britons - like the classcucks they are - will vote him in.
Do you know what kind of stuns me? When I imagine that Blair, etc, had no real political beliefs and were just cynical power hungry bastards - I really find myself drawn to them. I mean, it's a damn good thing. When you actually imagine them as genuinely evil villains then it's all very impressive.
But then you see that actually, lost of them - like even Blair - appear to have some sort of underlying genuine political belief, believing their own lies instead of just strategically communicating them for personal benefit, and it becomes very baffling, sad, even angering. War in Iraq for money? Yeah, I get it. War in Iraq because you've the mental acuity of a springer spaniel? Not so much.
I think Chomsky is correct, recalling his old interview with Marr, in that there is an ideological system in place carefully attuned to select for certain characteristics, the people with passionate convictions or the potential for such are sidelined, those who have no such convictions and are these genuine 'villains' out for nothing but their profit reach the heights of the corporate and deep state and those naive ideologues who genuinely believe the liberal drivel and want to change things for the better, coincidentally by doing everything the 'villains' want, become politicians. Hence people like Blair and the entire managerial class of modern politicians who have emerged in the last few decades where there is no grand vision, just managed decline of the status quo.
I sincerely miss politicians who were orators. Everyone in modern politics is utterly awful at speaking. No one has passion and conviction expressed. Its an aesthetic feature but nonetheless I find it essential as an ideological edifice that defines an era.
Scotland's indigenous capitalist class has been effectively extinct since the end of the industrial revolution, and whatever remains of it has become inseperably wedded to the British state. The most "elite" supporters of independence are really just eccentric petit-bougies.
"Lust for Life" has been stuck in my head all morning.
why do I see you bongs post in every thread talking about revolution being close?
I don't buy it, it just seems like a socdem surge
Fucking this. It's like Obama all over again.
obama was before the great recession bottomed out
I dunno, seeing people going around saying "yeah you know that bloke Marx had a lot of good ideas" and a leadership that is hiding its power level in the extreme gives me hope. There is genuine anger against capitalism itself: I have seen from the christian community people ranting against free markets over Grenfell. Nothing overtly socialist, but class consciousness is building.
tbh even if Corbyn totally ditched his economic program in office, he could still be the best prime minister since the 70s if he deregulated trade unions.
especially sympathy strikes, sympathy strikes are absolutely essential. companies who act inappropriately should not simply have to take on their own workers, but the working class as a whole.
Now that is a smug face of which I can approve.
It's mostly memeing but if you pay attention to the political situation, class consciousness is starting to rise. With our lad in labour, and Grenfel has certainly rattled a few cages, neoliberalism is losing its grip slowly but surely.
Corbyn could be 1000% neoliberal but his anti-imperialist foreign policy would make it worth it alone
I'm pretty sure the Labour leadership is hiding their power level until the proletariat decides to guillotine burgie, or at least McDonnell is
When are brits making this their flag
>still making three-bars flags
Do Tories do this every year in the Durham Miners Gala? The latest rhetoric coming out in twitter.
Also I don't know the context of this statistics to know if they are telling the truth so any bongs can clarify?
Looks like fucking shit.
Lmao BTW in the BIL vs All Blacks 2nd game (the one they won) the crowd started chanting "oh Jeremy Corbyn" Down here in NZ.
It wouldn't work: a movement like that needs to be organic, not forced and have money thrown at it.
not revolution, at least i don't think, but something is definitely happening here.
>You can't fire me, I quit.
>thats the sun going down, I'll go to bed soon
>ah fuck the sun's coming up
how do I fix my sleep pattern before uni lads? I think I'm fucked even if there are a few weeks till results day.
Nick Land was employed by a university, Nick Land took a lot of speed. Coincidence?
go to the gym, spend your day outside in the sunlight
Do an all-nighter then go to bed at a normal time. You'll feel like shit, but that "reset" really works as long as you make yourself get up the next day.
Maybe i'll come up with something more clever and snarky when he's done fucking you over, but i really like that image.
He's just like "oops, did i deceive you? *shrug*"
Sun goes down, sun goes up. You cant explain that.
Why is parliament full of such low calibre people? The standard is shockingly low.
Very irritated I can't find it, but a hypothesis I found in a book review was that the 1992 election was a huge generator of hopelessness for people on both sides of the political spectrum - talented Labour-leaning types were completely disillusioned and went off to work in the media, etc, while talented Tories could see before the election that (a) they were going to lose, and (b) even after they didn't lose, they could see they'd lose next time making it a very bad gamble to join up, so they cleared off too. The end result is that only strange wonkish people like Ed Balls found themselves with the required experience, etc, today. (I think David Cameron and George Osborne were also examples of these wonkish types, as they ran the 1992 campaign IIRC - but they're posh so it's hard to tell where strangeness stops and "just being posh" begins.)
official lib-dem power rankings:
[infinite power gap]
[another really big power gap]
[the last two power gaps put together then cubed]
Nick Clegg and the other orange book scum.
I dunno, you can kick a PM without having to call an election.
>tories call snap election to bring in labour government so that when crash hits they can blame 'socialism'
>win but lose their majority
>labour becoming more and more popular while weak and unpopular tory government in office
>porky now sweating profusely
>desperately try to get another snap election so that labour get blamed for the crash
They can't get away with this.
Two things I love about that video.
The first is that Clease endorsed Labour this election: the first time he has endorsed anyway but the liberals (he did it in tandem this time).
Secondly the picture for "peaceniks" is LITERALLY JEREMY CORBYN.
me circa 2007:
haha i love this video it's right on, this is exactly what it's like having a moderate outlook.
me circa 2017:
haha i love this video it's right on: having enemies is great fun and ""moderates"" who don't share my enemies deserve to die even more than my enemies, there's literally nothing wrong with abusing your enemies and indeed it may be a moral obligation in some circumstances to abuse them.
It is not that i disagree with him with the idea of extremism looming over the left and right, but moderates can fall victim to this nonsense too ala radical centrism. Instead of the left hating right and vice versa, why not be a supreme gentleman and dismiss condescendingly to both the left and right
Whole lot of ace Corbyn and Labour memes coming out. my worry is we are preaching to the converted. What are some good normie-tier twitter feeds to post them to?
a uk crash before 2020 is pretty much inevitable, wouldn't surprise me if it's this year tbqh.
i said it all along, labour winning in 2017 would not be helpful for us. let the tories deal with the crash and brexshit.
Blairism and New Labour have been committed to the view that there is a positive role for government in the management of society but they have also let go of fundamental concerns of social democratic thinking. Economic, technological and social changes have been regarded as immovable objects to which we must adapt rather than as fluid processes that can themselves be moulded. Rejecting the fundamental social democratic idea that governments can and should regulate institutional economic activity in order to safeguard a sphere of noneconomic social life Blairism ultimately failed to bring to public-sector reform anything other than the language of economic efficiency and choice. Setting himself against public-sector workers Blair hedged them in with requirements and targets that renewed and extended state centralisation.
Consequently, New Labour failed to reinvent the public ideal for the twenty-first century. The Blairite justification of policies to reduce inequality always tended to be technocratic and pragmatic rather than ethical or solidaristic. Equality was proposed as good because it limits the ‘social exclusion’ which leads to problems of crime and anti-social behaviour, and is economically wasteful. This has meant that social policy measures, for all the benefits they brought to some of the poor, failed to contribute to the sustenance of the sense of common interest on which social democratic values can build. As a consequence the legitimacy of welfare provision has further weakened. Labour under Brown has thus begun to propose a yet greater role for punitive measures against what much of the media tends to represent as an undeserving poor. The resources with which to defend an ideal of a collective egalitarian good have been depleted. As we have seen, new Labour made individual aspirations an object of government policy. But it was above all concerned with the aspirations of the poor and did not consider the social exclusion of the rich a priority. The cultivation of a sense of social responsibility among them has not been a governmental concern. In addressing manifest social problems around diet, alcohol consumption, environmental responsibility and violence New Labour has focused primarily on the behaviour of individuals. Its interventions have been confined to exhorting individuals or mildly manipulating their choices through the provision of incentives. It has rejected the idea that government can and should sometimes regulate institutional economic activity. Indeed, the food and alcohol industries have been deregulated.
It is against this context that we should place the crises of the Brown administration. The forging of New Labour involved the denigration of core principles of social democracy. As times have become harder new Labour ideologues have not been able to return to them and have found themselves drifting. They have hoped that more targets and more public disciplining of benefits claimants will constitute ‘reform’ of the public services; and in addressing economic turmoil they have emphasised the stimulation of individual consumer spending. Eschewing the opening of a wider debate about the regulation of finance and the redistribution of wealth Brown’s Labour has emphasised the temporary nature of regulatory and interventionist measures and continued to focus policy on attempts to modify the behaviour of individuals. The failure to sustain understanding of (and sympathy for) social democratic approaches to government has meant that Brown’s adoption of a thus far superficial Keynesian approach has been all too easily represented by opponents as either panic or simply ‘tax and spend’.
- Prof. Alan Finlayson in British Party Politics and Ideology After New Labour
Also, the tories are trying to play up the "left wing troll" thing again: so try to tone things down a smidge lads, yeah?
this has to be a trap of some kind
unfortunately porky playing divide-and-rule with the left over brexit could well pay off
If Corbyn is a smart opportunist he will use Brexit to maximize his power and reveal may for the empty shell she has become
If Corbyn has any good sense he's going to stay the hell away from Brexit and let the Tories carry on with what they've continually been doing since 1972 - destroy themselves on the altar of Europe. Brexit is a poisoned chalice, pretty much nothing good can come of it for anybody least of all Corbyn.
Regardless of who's in charge there's going to be a massive flight of capital with multinationals and large droves of professionals moving away to do business in the EU (possibly Ireland). Massively devalued currency is going to demolish London and the South East's monetarist economy (much to the benefit of Macron's Paris and Frankfurt), though it might help Scotland since they're the only net exporter in the british isles. Manufacturing in Wales, Midlands and North etc. will also be damaged beyond repair. Fuck knows what Northern Ireland does.
If Corbyn inherits this, the right are just going to come back stronger by blaming all this on his economic vision. If the Tories have all this on their hands, then they won't be able to do much beyond temporarily and desperately deregulating/privatising everything, at which point corbyn comes in with his brexit-free clean hands and sorts it all out.
YOU WRETCHED COMMIE!
>shuddering with fury over something that happened 54 years ago
>"Stop spreading lies about Jeremy - or you'll end up squashed like your sister's rabbit'. It's chilling."
Wait, is this supposed to be some kind of british humor or something
No. This is the news.
What do you do when a bloody Trot kills your bunny?
Corbyn's biggest interest in Brexit is shattering the neolib chains that would prevent the UK from nationalizing all its natural monopolies again, I don't see how that could get done under a deal with the Tories.
Realistically, the only way Corbyn could get anything out of Brexit negotiations is under his direct control.
This does raise one question in my mind: How binding, long-term, are the Tories' treaties going to be on a future Labor government months from now? Could Corbyn renegotiate without being accused of jerking around the EU that soon?
I see Reuters has the good sense not to censor "nigger", unlike… a top American network whose name I forgot.
literally every nationalisation or otherwise "old" labouresque policy in his manifesto is either something already done in other european countries or allowed under EU treaties. Corbyn's really not promising anything that resembles "socialism in one country", he's just an authentic socdem. Yes, weakening the EU by leaving it may damage its long-term ability to carry out imperialism etc but it does absolutely fuck all to actually push Britain left. The only "neolib chains" the EU put on us were those that trading with anywhere else puts on us as well.
Just like far too many british leftists act as apologists for the EU simply due to Farage/Eurosceptic Tories being "nasty" or w/e, there are far too many non-brit leftists who apply the syriza/podemos/PCF perspective to the idea that the EU imposes austerity on Britain when infact it's our own democratically elected politicians doing that. Given that the UK was already outside the Eurozone (i.e. the economic backbone of the continental project) and further integration treaties, the EU was literally nothing more than a glorified trading club for us, and I don't see any meaningful left-wing goals achieved by leaving it (though that doesn't mean I endorse remaining either).
>Nick Land took a lot of speed
I think I'm starting to figure out what accelerationism is truly about.
>either something already done in other european countries or allowed under EU treaties.
I keep hearing this, but whenever challenged on "and what about countries that attempt to revert privatisation?" whoever is challenging the matter drops off the face of the Earth.
>the EU imposes austerity on Britain
The EU says austerity works and hasn't dismissed it as fucking retarded. That's enough for shitbags like the Tories and their European equivalents. It's not an accident.
austerity is the equivelant of trying to get my oxygen in your body by stranglng yourself
At least unlike austerity I can get into that.
>That's enough for shitbags like the Tories
Brexit isn't some kind of popular revolt or revolution. It's essentially an ideological power struggle between atlanticist porkies and europorkies with their own free market visions.
Right, but where did I say that it was?
I never knew he was capable of such bantz
Posting them to his twitter posts is always good since critics will always reply to him anyway
>local branch meeting with communist party tomorrow
>extreme social anxiety kicking in
>being able to be part of the party
You'll be fine, son.
It's certainly not one I've ever heard but it sounds like something that would be bandied around by Eton cunts
Also at a labour branch I introduced a local councillor (who actually understands what fucking socialism is, unlike some blairites) to Bookchin, the revolution grows stronger.
Her rabbit was probably a kulak anyway.
>spreading bookchin in local labour branches
you are no doubt visible flagless anon
what did you get banned for?
that was a goodass article
I like this, particularly perhaps because "bored with hopelessness" would sum up my own outlook at the moment. The optimism is certainly emphasised by the line
>Labour has 4 years until the next election
and absolutely no reference whatsoever to 2017. i.e. this optimism is sourced from before we knew what was happening. It's like a John Curtice exit poll but backwards.
>The sprouting of British popular culture in the sixties was entirely a product of the United Kingdom’s then very generous welfare state. There is a reason that in Cockney rhyming slang, the word for “dole” is “rock ‘n’ roll”(“he got the sack, he’s on the rock ‘n’ roll again”): a surprising proportion of major bands later to sweep the world spent at least some of their formative years on unemployment relief. Blairites were stupid enough to combine their promotion of “Cool Britannia” with massive welfare reforms, which effectively guaranteed the entire project would crash and burn, since they ensured that pretty much everyone with the potential to become the next John Lennon would instead spend the rest of their lives stacking boxes in their local Tesco as part of the new welfare conditionality.
There's literally an NME thingy on this from like 1998.
Wow I'm surprised that NME has (or had?) a higher standard of news reporting than most of the mainstream press, they always came across as that hipster corporate shill rag when I was a teen in post 9-11 era.
>between December 2011 and February 2014, the Department of Work and Pensions reported that 2,380 Britons previously on disability support were found dead no more than six weeks after receiving notice that they were having their benefits cut because they had been determined to be “fit for work.”
Jesus fucking Christ.
Could have thrown in a Cockshott tbh
I didn't even start the article and it already describes me perfectly.
I know I'm exposing my ignorance here, but I'm yet to hear a good explanation as to why a national debt matters or not.
>pretty much everyone with the potential to become the next John Lennon would instead spend the rest of their lives stacking boxes in their local Tesco as part of the new welfare conditionality
Someone, probably a relatively smart reactionary, is bound to have written something about how society doesn't seem to produce great talents anymore. The 20th century saw plenty of notorious politicians, artists, philosophers, even scientists. We used to have Picassos and Sartres and Einsteins, now we have Kinkades and Harrises and Tysons. Public education in a lot of countries was driven down, and people began being bombarded nonstop by pop culture dreck, advertising, meaningless "news" and other sorts of noises. Now at the same time the average keeps on increasing, we're more ignorant than we were in 1900.
I'm going to guess had but then I'm like that.
One thing to note is that Stuart Campbell (now of Wings Over Scotland fame) has a interesting article about how 9/11 killed gaming journalism. One has to wonder if it carries over to music as well. I mean, it's an interesting path to chart anyway:
Reminds me for some reason of this line in http://k-punk.org/precarity-and-paternalism/
"Hard to credit now, but there was once something paternalistic, almost philanthropic about the Beeb, spreading the cultural wealth of the educated classes through housing estates and comprehensive schools. This kind of evangelism rarely sits well with self-conscious champions of the lumpenproletariat, whose right to live in shit, they believe, outweighs their right to not live in shit - for some, being patronised is worse than being brutalised. But then people can be very naïve about the motivations of those who give the people what they want, relentlessly and remorselessly. And while the Corporation was sometimes guilty of gross assumptions and a very real stuffiness, I don't like to think how I might have grown up - stomping around in the middle of nowhere - had it not been for Life On Earth, or Carl Sagan's Cosmos, or James Burke's Connections, or the gentle guidance of the BBC Childrens' department. Years ago, I interviewed the men in charge of "youth programming" at Channel 4, goateed and bereted and utterly insistent that their race to the bottom was a noble crusade; they railed against the BBC's "eat-your-greens" approach, and spoke of gallons of liquid effluent, coursing through the pipes of British culture, in terms of freedom and some strange colour of egalitarianism. Here was the future, banging its drums, and even then it made me blanch. As controller of BBC2 in the late 1960s, David Attenborough had a different vision, rooted in what was, for all his personal muh privilege, an (enduring) belief in inclusivity. If the so-called Golden Age of Television could boast its fair share of shoddy, overlit crap – and my God, it could – at best it was truly empowering, and its passing has screwed us all to some extent. We can still choose to watch BBC Four, I suppose (assuming it's not another show where ex-NME writers smirk at Mud's trousers), but then this is an age of choices, few of which have much to do with freedom in the long term. No one's going to stumble onto culture any more, not like I did, or my dragged-up mates did. It's worse than a shame."
Clickbait title aside, the gist of the first article actually seems to be "shifting from subscription fees to advertiser contracts as the balance of revenue killed journalism in paper gaming mags".
It's a foregone conclusion that (even moreso in the invariably 100% ad-funded online/broadcast format) money is the only thing that talks, in media.
Graeber outdoes himself again. I feel positively giddy after reading that. The prospect of a national spirit that is excited and eager, and has reason to be in looking to the future, is fantastic.
And now we are shifting back to it with Patreon.
Pretty good tbh
>The chance of there not being some kind of economic crisis in those four years is infinitesimal.
>Pam's sister Evelyn, now 57, said she had no recollection of the incident. She added: "I don't even remember Jeremy Corbyn living near us, and I never had a rabbit. Pam gets confused. She spends a bit too much time reading the daily mail, I'm afraid"
I'm confused. Why would they even print a slander article and then also slander the interviewed?
Balanced news coverage.
Sunday Sport is satire, I'm pretty sure.
Still hilarious at times.
Assuming the figures are accurate (seems to just be >>1827359 with Scotland added.) this is an interesting thing.
One has to wonder what the political impact is of Scotland having a more "European" distribution of income than the UK as a whole. (One also has to wonder how on earth regions of England manage to have a lower GDP/Capita than the Scottish Islands, unless they're aggregated into "Highlands and Islands")
Some more classic sports on sunday
The thing is, British tabloids have such an awful reputation that all foreigners, and a whole lot of Britishmen, think they're trying to pass off crazy lies as bonafide truth.
isn't the point of the sport that it's got nudity inside and the articles are just filler?
Fucking class traitor
Comrade Corbyn is no longer my comrade and I am leaving the Labour Party
>being in the labour party in the first place
b-but Tom Watson said you guys spend all day trying to get into the Labour party
Who wants a blood pressure boost?
(Lest non-Scots think it's only fair that the revenue be shared: Remember that didn't happen either. I'd go so far as to say that the UK as a whole would be better off had we never discovered North Sea oil, because in the end all it did was empower the worst governments we've ever had. It wouldn't be eyeball-bursting wall-punchingly bad if the money had been invested into industrial development UK wide.)
>It must be concluded therefore that revenues and large balance of payments gains would indeed accrue to a Scottish Government in the event of independence provided that steps were taken either by carried interest or by taxation to secure the Government 'take'. Undoubtedly this would banish any anxieties the Government might have had about its budgetary position or its balance of payments. The country would tend to be in chronic surplus to a quite embarrassing degree and its currency would become the hardest in Europe with the exception perhaps of the Norwegian kroner. Just as deposed monarchs and African leaders have in the past used the Swiss franc as a haven of security, as now would the Scottish pound be seen as a good hedge against inflation and devaluation and the Scottish banks could expect to find themselves inundated with speculative inflow of foreign funds.
If anyone needs me I'm going to be outside screaming at traffic for the next few days.
Oh we do, he was just wrong about the sect: it's not the trots you have to worry about….
>Jim said he finds it impossible to identify with Blair: 'He is simply not one of us.'
kek and UB40 is a literal benefit sheet
>mfw only 5% of tory voters voted because of May
Here are the full graphs
They endorsed Corbyn before it was cool too.
>21% voted for the Tory mainly because of Brexit.
Holy shit, I didn't notice how old that was until I saw the Deftones add on the final image.
Its fairly commonsense really.
Where the 'left' is perceived as liberalism which is what it largely is and thus pro-eu, and the right as anti-eu, those voters who are anti-eu will, even if they despise the tories, vote for them because they will take us out of the eu.
The tory party was the party of TOPAZ BREXIT, so yeah. However this swung the other way, a lot of people saw labour as the party of "sane brexit", especially in the city, It is perhaps one of the reasons they won areas like Kensington (richest constituency in the country). Also jaguar dave doesn't give a shit about the high taxes because he can afford them, but Labour was actually going to have a brexit deal that is good for them. Don't get me wrong, HQ policy is a hard brexit, just not one of aggression.
But due to the events of recent months, more people know Corbyn is a brexiteer and as such, people won't think he is the quiet remainer, Whether this will be to his benefit or fall remains to be seen.
Tory voters are mentally retarded
>“I pay tribute to Jeremy Corbyn’s temperament in the campaign, to the campaign’s mobilisation of younger voters, and to the enthusiasm it generated,” he said. “His supporters shouldn’t exaggerate it; but his critics, including me, shouldn’t understate it. He tapped into something real and powerful, as Bernie Sanders has in the USA and left groups have done all over Europe.”
Honestly surprised he'd concede that, qualification-laden though it is.
Still want him in jail though.
LADS AMBER FROST IS COMING TO THE UK TO DO SOMETHING WITH MOMENTUM
HOW DO I GET HER TO TOUCH MY COCK WITH HER MOUTH?
which MP has the highest power level?
She truly is an enigma. Her face somehow manages to both look like a mess and oddly charming at the same time.
Used to be Tony Benn, but either Dennis Skinner or John McDonnell.
I miss papa tony :'(
Don't be sad, for he is in red heaven watching us with glee.
In other news, survation poll shows that people want a referendum on the brexit deal.
Red Heaven sounds like a pretty sweet place.
we should shut this thread down
PERMANENT CAMPAIGN MODE
Srsly tho, thread's a lil' slow
Are any of you guys in Momentum/Labour, what is it actually like and are they as left wing as the media paints them?
I am, the most left wing ones you'll find that are not Trots/ex-Stalinists are the old Bennite sorts. Unless something big happens most new members don't actually go to meetings.
I'd say if you're a revolutionary you shouldn't put much hope in being able to do anything on your own in Momentum/Labour. I'm in the Socialist Appeal which is an actual revsoc organisation in Labour (Militant 2.0). I'd recommend checking them out, joining their branch and from there working in Momentum/Labour. I've been really impressed with them so far.
It does sound like a generic Trot org so here's main differences with others that I found:
-Emphasis on theoretical education (Building quality cadres as a necessary step)
-Predominantly youth based. A CPGB guy said "You can tell they're from the Socialist Appeal, they're well spoken and they're attractive".
- It's starting to grow really fast now (especially through the MSF)
Srsly, been orbiting arond some small parties, labour reformism etc but I'm so glad I came across them since what i'm doing actually makes sense now.
fucking saw this coming from a mile away.
As a pro-independence Scot, I think this is fucking great for us (increases tension in the union) and great for Labour (the path to socialism lies through England). Shame for minority voters though, Englishness is inherently reactionary and Labour are gonna sideline them now.
Just a labour member here, in toryshire. Really interesting, most people came onboard because of Corbyn, most seem to be 'middle class'' but also members of the salariat. Some of them are pretty lefty, and my local Cllr was going on about socialising utilities and shit. Interesting age mix, while I was 100% the youngest there most people were 30-50. Not that many women tbh, 4 out of the 30 of us. Couple of (hindustani) Asians, to be expected from the area I live. So yeah, most people actually knew what socialism was though (social ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange): so there is hope.
Yeah we shouldn't expect them to come to revolutionary socialism quick, but the fact that they're rallying behind a borderline centrist (as in, revolutionary in slogans, reformist in practise) leadership is a good sign. Historically the masses always tested out left reformism before revolutionary socialism.
we should be more concerned who will pick up those disenfranchised minority votes (blairities ect.)
I will check them out
I live in a studentish area so I would guess there will be a lot more young people. Interesting to see how many people still turn up now the election is over.
feels good man
yes bruv, what section you in?
I'm going to uni in September and they have a local IMT branch, is it worth joining?
ive personally been in contact with tankies, small trot parties, and reformists because I wanted to do something. none of them knew what they were doing and none of their ideas really made sense. I came across a local Marxist Society by accident and then I joined the IMT which was one of the best decisions ive ever done.
You`ll start learning a lot of shit on how to do actual organising, A LOT of theory (sounds scary but they`ll make it easy plus you`ll get so much clarity and a sense of foresight. It's a necessity that's often really overlooked). Even when chatting with normies you start to get a lot more "you just talk so much sense" sort of replies and so many more people getting redpilled and wanting to join.
National events are incredible. The general idea of how the organisation works is to bring you to the level of an officer rather than a private, you end up bettering yourself as a revolutionary - basically building cadres. I remember 2 months after joining I said I learned and did more than I did with another group I was with for 2 years.
The fact that it`s not full of old weirdos but actual young people means you`ll make friends with a lot of great comrades too.
There's a massive revamp coming for this autumn considering our growth, like t-shirts, social media, banners, etc. We're getting directives, help and advice on how and what to do to best grow our branches, how to intervene in the Labour Party/Momentum/NUS etc and it works really well. That also links with them being really non-sectarian and faced towards the real movements of the working class.
I'm obviously biased, but I ended up dedicating to them for a reason, so there's that.
Which unis you going to?
Top kek, please find that title card in HD.
Holy shit that sounds awesome
Depends tbh, I'll hopefully be going to Leeds depending on my results, but I might end up going anywhere that will take me. Possible Uni of Essex or Dundee.
Leeds have a really good branch, dont know anyone from Essex or Dundee but there's stuff going on there too I think.
Well a lot were mobilised by the election: I mean I joined because of it (I meant to do so after Corbyn became leader but got cold feet). The party is in PERMANENT CAMPAIGN mode so there is a lot of inertia being turned into further forward momentum (honhonhon). I am going to uni in the autumn so not sure what will happen but I have high hopes.
That sounds utterly dank, ngl not much of a theory head but still.
Anything in Exeter?
Are any of the teaching materials online? I would love to read some
Im in Exeter there's a student socialist society which is pretty open, they sometimes have pretty good people in to do lectures but that seems about it. I dont know about IMT and stuff like that though I wouldn't mind having a look at it
Nothing in Exeter unfortunately, but I think we have comrades in Plymouth and Taunton. You can always get in touch on the website and try and create a branch/society, you'd get lots of help on that.
Sounds like effort but it is rewarding. Our branch was started by a single 17 year old in 2014 and is currently the biggest revolutionary group in the city with strong influence in Labour.
>Im in Exeter there's a student socialist society which is pretty open,
There was a similar one in Reading which ended up joining the MSF. Overall I'd recommend joining the SocStu first but linking up with the MSF/IMT would probably help the society out a lot in terms of people, getting materials and most importantly doing coordinated work.
Aye, on Marxist Student Federation facebook page we're currently doing these short theory videos. Other than that, we've got this:
and our youtube channel with really good talks:
Most of the education, however, takes place collectively as a branch and whilst building it. That way it's a lot more effective.
MSF/IMT need some good 30 second to 2 minute long videos explaining the rudimentary basics. As good as the videos on that YT channel are, they're all around 20+ minutes long, and most people don't have the time or effort for something they may not even be sure they agree with.
Also the tactic of short but sweet videos/clips seems to be working well for Momentum on Twitter and Facebook, which is something to bare in mind
We've got these Myths of Marxism videos coming out every thursday on our page actually:
Thats cool bro, but do you have any mirrors that arent on commons owned by capitalists?
This is supposed to be an anon board
>You can now vote for your representatives on Labour’s CAC (Conference Arrangements Committee). The CAC decides how conference is run and what is debated. They have the power to make sure Jeremy’s general election manifesto is built on, that the focus remains on the Labour leadership's successful agenda and that conference discusses the key issues determining Labour’s future.
This is currently going on, and these are Momentum's candidates. I hope you guys have supported them.
I haven't managed to spend much time here recently but I'm one of the guys who have run for district council and lost.
God I am starting to get very fucking salty over the liberals and their fucking brexit whining. There isn't a single article that can be posted without a handful of them crying their eyes out.
>grenfell happened while we were in the EU
>but we're going to leave the EU
>brexit caused grenfell
The europhiles are the greatest cancer on british politics right now, they push the north in particular to the right and make sure to subvert and derail every effort of the labour left to make headway.
The worst part is that its all because of this pernicious delusion people have that the EU is so wonderfully "progressive" and cosmopolitan which appeals to all the urban liberals who shudder in fear at the very thought of the dirty, intolerant british public which doesn't go the artisanal cereal bars. EU support is never really about 'the economic impact of brexit', liberals don't give a shit about that, its all about virtue signalling about how we're lesser if not attached to the EU.
It's unlikely the Tories are even going to push through Brexit it's far to risky to investors or stockholders of whom they exist to serve. We will be in the EU in all but name before we were half in and half out and we shall soon be half out and half in.
Why are your fellow Bongs so mad about this? I understand the porkies being scared of new taxes and leaving the common customs. But as far as I can see, the sole reason liberals are whining is muh globalism. Is this right or what? During that fateful election day, they wouldn't fucking shut up about racism, and I found it bizarre because getting out of the EU would cut down on immigration from other white countries. (Yeah I know this concept of whiteness is Burger, but it has taken root in Bongistan, as far as I know, right?) Are they just that spooked?
A while ago, Comrade Corbyn purged some frontbenchers who voted in favor of soft Brexit instead of abstaining. It's possible he's just hiding his power level and will negotiate for a soft Brexit anyway, but odds are on going hard.
Heh, they were legit the two I were going to vote for anyways.
They'll just cut more, sell off more public shit or raise taxes on the poor. Taxes on porky are off the table under the tories.
I mean, it's not entirely untrue that there are a substantial section of thick fucks who blame the EU for nonwhite mass immigration, for whom there is a very strong case that they are racists.
I would tepidly make two suggestions:
The symbolic value of the EU to liberals is large. It's not just globalism, it's Britain as a modern co-operative country "Punching above it's weight*" inside a global institution instead of being a closed little racist island punching above it's weight.* Despite the generally recognized advantages of withdrawal on the left (and until the 80s/90s, the vast majority of Anti-EEC feeling coming from the far left.) the modern anti-EU movement was predominantly of the right-wing. One look at newspaper positions versus circulation should be sufficient to make that point.
The second is that withdrawal from the EU - like Trump - shouldn't have happened, that is to say it shakes the foundations of the present reality, like Corbyn forcing a stalemate despite not being "centrist" enough. On the left (and indeed on the right) there's a general ability to deal with disappointment if it's expected - everyone knew John Major would get BTFO in 1997 and even Brown's 2010 loss was relatively expected (though the Lib-Dems jumping into bed with the Tories wasn't quite.), but when something like that comes out of the blue it can be psychologically shattering, like Kinnock losing 1992. (Or on a personal antidepressive note, Corbyn forcing a stalemate.) - Liberals were not prepared to contemplate that this was a contest with risk. All the "rational indicators" that it should have failed if you read them through this lens. (A bit like people overestimating Miliband's chances in 2015.) So there was no psychological preparation.
Finally on the Scottish dimension there's a whole bunch of other shit but basically it's 95% just a shoehorn for independence. (Although I'm mildly concerned that the SNP may be less cynical on this topic than I am, which doesn't bode well given that - if the neoliberal boat sinks - it might take their best-we've-yet-had-in-government social-neoliberalism with it, and in turn independence.)
Labor's giving more power to elect non-establishment candidates in Tory marginals. I think the establishment is trying to play 17 dimensional candyland, setting up a bunch of radicals to fail in the next election because they assume only right wingers can beat tories, but if that's what they think, they're wrong.
I'm starting to think Tony Blair was actually creepier when young.
The summer blitz started today, things should be interesting.
Why are we British so fucking awful? I wish I was Russian, Spanish or French. I'm sick of pseudo-rational muh empiricism bullshit.
It feels rather hard to comprehend at times (Along sort of Mark Fisher lines) but I like the gist of this thing and it seems to operate well alongside that The European article about Englishness in a world without empire.
Britain (and in particular England) have an identity essentially built on being the neutral and the default, and perhaps also the timeless. This is why we can't recognize ourselves as ideological people, can't have a written constitution that would provide temporal grounding, and so on.
I can't carry the argument very well personally but it's an interesting one.
is this an original ben garrison piece?
I still remain perplexed by my own opposition to fox hunting. (It's not on animal rights grounds, I don't think it's on class grounds, and the fact nearly everyone in favour is a bit of a cunt would appear to be something I've only noticed ex-post-facto…)
Do get a fuzzy feeling remembering that Blair probably has more regret over the ban than he does over the Iraq war.
>I still remain perplexed by my own opposition to fox hunting. (It's not on animal rights grounds, I don't think it's on class grounds
>Kicking out blair
Why would you kick out one of your own?
>Thinking Blair is Socdem
What planet do you live on
Fun fact: It was Peter Hitchens who made me change "everyone in favour is a cunt" to "is a bit of a cunt."
Blair wasn't a SocDem. PDF related if you're bored.
>Fun fact: It was Peter Hitchens who made me change "everyone in favour is a cunt" to "is a bit of a cunt."
I was just meming, I didn't know there was any sort of remotely-rational argument for keeping fox hunting beyond "there's nothing wrong with a little animal abuse as long as its the upper classes doing it, lad"
This is getting a little bit pathetic, he has someone's daughter to raise!
The main argument in the video that I understand is that "women shouldn't get paid the same or more just because they happen to be women" ok there you go I summed that up in around 15 words and yet Sargons video is bordering on half a fucking hour long. This is apporaching Molyneux levels of repetitiveness.
Ironically enough the BBC is run by ex-Conservative politicians, donors and activists so I guess the "liberal bias" must be some kind of 5D hungry hungry hippos on their part.
Why aren't you using youtube+ to blacklist alt-right videos? My recommended videos section has never looked better and I'm never wasting my time or giving ad revenue to these reactionary picks.
Why are you giving ad revenue to anyone on youtube? Advertising is one of the worst cancers of capitalism.
Ironically the BBC do have a "liberal bias" in the American sense of "liberal". They are pro-capitalism, pro-government, and pro-idpol.
I never said I browsed the Internet without an ad block, but a lot of guys here do still for some reason.
Depriving them of ad views and tracking information is good, but you still give them a page hit, which counts for audience. Which also rewards the video uploader.
THIS THREAD HAS BEEN CLAIMED BY THE SOCDEM GANG
Oh like hell it is.
You don't get paid for views, but ads viewed. Views can help you get more prominence, but in the grand scheme of things 1 adblocked view is shit.
SDP GANG (of 3.)
Dostoevsky's on Countdown.
still get mind-splittingly angry at the last two pledge cards
Neither actually make pledges, the 1997 pledge card - for all it's shitty lukewarm promises, the 2001 pledge card - despite including the "As we paint a hospital NOT strangle a puppy like Heseltine" dickheadery - made pledges. (Although that X NOT Y thing is just as excruciating. Whoever was responsible for that needs 1000 years gulag.)
Serves him right, as we've already proven leftists are vile and hateful people.
Why is it considered wrong to hate your political opponents? Especially the leaders and stuff. I can understand still getting along with other ordinary people with different political beliefs up to a certain point but still. Has this always been the case because it feels like a recent thing.
Is it just me or am I seeing more dislike for Corbyn around places like Reddit? Used to be quite pro-Corbyn until these two things in the past week or so:
- tuition fees/debt thing
- comments about immigration (and relation to brexit)
What's going on?
The Discourse. my friend. the idea that at the end of the day we all want the same thing (technocratic liberalism) and if we could just respect each other hard enough we can reach across the aisle and achive it throught compromise.
It depends on what places. Subs like r/politics or r/news etc are completely overrun with bots and the Chair Force's shitposting battalion.
I wouldn't doubt that they've been ordered to shift their attention from libeling Bernie to try and stamp out any embers of support for Corbyn too
Wait if this is calculated by percentage? Then
>highest number of tory males and candidates in Commons
>highest amount of abuse
If anything the disproportion is UKIP then Tory
I'm going to say no, at least not in the short-mid term. Maybe in the longish term something desirable could arise, but the best way to do it would (amusingly) be to drop the pretence at independence and make it an explicit branch office. Good governance is better than self governance…
Though I'm more-than-slightly miffed at the move to campaigning in SNP seats, since SNP seats have little to no impact on the practical mathematics of minority governance while Tory gains are the reason we're not sitting with a Labour government right now. I'll tell myself that "Scottish Labour put him up to this", but only because I want to assume good faith.
I mean, lines like
"The only way to remove the Conservatives from Downing Street, and have a government that works for the many, not the few, is to back Labour in Scotland."
Are simply not materially true. The only way to remove the Conservatives from downing street is to find any combination of 323-odd MPs who want someone else there. It's blinding that Labour can run on this line when the first Labour government was only the (distant) second largest party in the commons.
Cheering up time:
>Damian McBride recalls in his memoirs that in the 2002 reshuffle "Tony forgot Home Office minister Angela Eagle existed, gave someone else her job and effectively sacked her from the Government by mistake – and without informing her."
What a den of communists, decrying the social order like that!
pretty anti-climatic video but at least they kicked em out
While Dalgety’s desk radiated neatness and order, McTernan, a Chelsea fan, plastered his office walls with photos of the club’s players celebrating goals, with Tony Blair’s head photoshopped onto them.
While irritating to run back over the painful parts of the referendum (including just seeing the phrase "No Thanks"), highly recommend pdf related. (It's even <200 pages!)
Though it does give the worrying sense that any second referendum may have trouble if the Tories were to take the lead, since a lot of the incompetence seems rooted in Scottish Labour and their chronic infighting and disorganisation. Whether such trouble would be mitigated by the optics of "Vote No: Vote Conservative." would be interesting to see.
>Published on 9 May 2017
Pretty interesting if they actually do go ahead with it. It will probably lead to more anger against the Tory's in the process
sad thing is charlie gard is now actively memed by the right wing, because some putz in the us claimed he can treat his illnessin a private practice but the ebin ebil "socialized medicine" in england would not let him work his magic tricks.
>this is why single payer is bad, proles!
Its seems like another case of parents thinking they know more than doctors.
Happens all the time. It's pretty much the ultimate feels > reals case. Even though this child is basically a breathing vegetable the parents will do anything to keep him longer even if it means months of pain for this dying child just because some bloke in America said he can fix it even though there is no proof he can do a thing.
its just sad it happens to often, and it always seems to be "some guy in America" willing to sell some "miracle" cure
Charlie Gard has died: Parents say 'our beautiful little boy has gone' after his life support was turned off
Thank fuck for tha-
<Charlie's dad Chris said: "Put simply, this is about a sweet, gorgeous, innocent little boy who was born with a rare disease who had a real, genuine chance at life and a family who loved him so very dearly - and that's why we fought so hard for him.
<"We are so sorry that we couldn't save you.
Oh boy here we go again.
>get 250,000 NEETS off benefits and into work
Exactly the same fucking way as this cunt
Off benefits and """"""""into work""""""""