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File: 099f500e7014938⋯.jpg (41.13 KB, 306x425, 18:25, 2CFA406200000578-0-Jeremy_….jpg)

 No.1586156

Snap elections edition

 No.1820713

>>1820543

So is Corbyn more anti-EU than Farage at this point?


 No.1820728

File: 465181c81b44164⋯.png (73.85 KB, 712x302, 356:151, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.1820774

>>1820543

About time!


 No.1820786

>>1820713

It's more how he's actually anti-EU.

UKIP doesn't really want an isolated Britain, they just don't want browns. The financial exploitation, sure, they're fine with keeping that.


 No.1820849

File: 7dfa71492a2f6f8⋯.jpg (16.76 KB, 480x462, 80:77, FB_IMG_1498762634513.jpg)


 No.1820867

Clearly the Corbyn Prophecy Meme needs an update. I feel like the first track on the Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory soundtrack(appropriately titled "Rising") would be worth using in a propaganda video.

https://rutube.ru/video/063521aa9f9828f71a589254b67792dd/


 No.1820888

>>1820849

>Guardian Jobs

>Front Bench Labour MPs


 No.1820896

>>1820888

Experience in marxist theory is needed


 No.1820924

Went to /brit/pol/ to see what their opinion on this whole situation was and forgot how shit it was there. Not sure if I'm just missing something but it all seems so hypocritical. They want to leave the EU but shit talking him for doing so, they want a strong leader but Corbyn doing this is bad.

Also some other bs about how "far left" groups never protest in muslim communities and only "rich white ones". Where in reality they protest in cities which already according to them are "muslim infested shitholes" and if that wasn't a flaw already why the fuck would you protest in some low income neighbourhood where no one would see you and there would be no media coverage because it disrupts no one?

Whatever. Every now and then I just have to sperg out at /pol/ so that should tide me over for a while.


 No.1820934

>>1820924

political spectrum idpol


 No.1820955

File: 51dc3651e3471b4⋯.jpg (67.52 KB, 1108x222, 554:111, vote for jezza.jpg)

>>1820932

I had some pretty good conversations on britpol on 4chan when I was there shilling for Jezza.

But mostly late at night when the mummy's boys had cleared off.


 No.1820968

>>1820932

/brit/ on 4/int/ is pretty funny. there's a continuous stream of butthurt rorke's sperging about the leftypol boogeyman.


 No.1820984

>>1820973

fellow oap wanting to know too


 No.1821248

File: ea82fb8a3a5e95a⋯.png (475.54 KB, 575x556, 575:556, 1487456617649.png)

>>1820984

>>1820973

rorke is the antithesis to 'rasheed' which is the standard reply to a politically correct / 'anti-white' type post. comes from people shit posting about the battle of rorke's drift i believe


 No.1821300

>>1807678

Tories will cling on for 5 year and ride their luck, only the govt can call a snap election.

Things change fast these days and they could be a lot more popular at the next GE.


 No.1821307

>>1809875

>It fucking drives me insane that the BBC - notionally with an obligation to educate the public, or at least stimulate debate - didn't bring up anti-austerity economists regularly as part of a "plague on all your houses" strategy towards Miliband, Cameron and Clegg. Instead they just triangulate within the liberal consensus. It's not that I expect better (my expectations from the corporation at this stage shoot straight into negative-quality territory.), but goddamn we deserve better.

This is the key to winning. Most people unironically think austerity is a good thing, however unpleasant.

They consider it medicine, while most actual economists think it's cancer.


 No.1821323

>>1821300

In the past these sort of governments only last about 2 years I would say an election by 2020 at the latest. Either caused by hard Brexit Torys getting bitter of DUP influence on Brexit or soft Torys getting angry at DUP deal. At the moment everyone is not saying much about it to try and keep the peace in the Tory party. All it takes is 14 days of Torys not being able to vote against a vote of no confidence and then a general election happens automatically.


 No.1821363

>>1821307

>They consider it medicine, while most actual economists think it's poison.

FTFY


 No.1821620

File: 706871ec8a9cf42⋯.jpg (344.84 KB, 1536x2048, 3:4, 706871ec8a9cf4204413602b73….jpg)

>>1820369

Porky never changes.

>>1820543

>The Labour leader had ordered his MPs to abstain rather than vote with Streatham MP Mr Umunna. The amendment was defeated by 322 to 101.

W E W

E

W

>>1820924

I can't wait for the day the farce of a left-right dichotomy dies.

>>1820955

It's strange, cuck/pol/ has infested nearly every board there, yet cuck/pol/ itself is surprisingly not-hair-tearingly horrible.


 No.1821745

Know it's a cunt thing to think but I can't help but wonder if I jump on the student politics bandwagon now whether I could nepotise my way into a backroom job in the Labour party or not.

It's purely academic thought, mind you (because I'm lazy and chronically avoid commitment), but it'd be nice to be a careerist wonk who actually has a soul to boot.


 No.1821812

>>1821745

>Careerist sat at the back of the Labour Party not really doing anything

Well, at least you can pretend it's for something good instead of just slaving away for porky every day


 No.1821848

>>1821745

You should do it. Better a leftist than some Blairit filling that role.


 No.1821879

File: c8ac38e370c3070⋯.jpg (214.05 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, DDV0CS6XoAAQ6h3.jpg)


 No.1821920

>>1821879

hahahaha what a champ


 No.1822083

File: 4ba6bb87371a191⋯.jpg (61.78 KB, 500x478, 250:239, kirbyface.jpg)

>>1821670

Every day we joyously stride closer to God's light.


 No.1822108

>>1821879

What's he not clapping about?


 No.1822208

File: 4092933ff9233a9⋯.png (53.83 KB, 360x185, 72:37, 2017.png)

This.


 No.1822209


 No.1822247

>>1820047

Cheers lad


 No.1822575

>>1821745

DO EET FAGGORT


 No.1822637

what's our foreign policy going to be like under corbyn anyway

somehow i don't think we'll be going full death to america but you never know


 No.1822718

>>1822637

Just copy paste the IRA goals and methods onto international policy, obviously


 No.1822788

>>1822718

Can we tag on testing Trident on Saudi Arabia? Pretty please? I mean, how can you say you don't love Britain and want to incinerate our enemies if you aren't ever going to make sure it can actually turn the bones to ashes?

Theresa May was willing to kill millions of innocents, I say we make sure we maintain that capability by testing it on at least a couple hundred thousand of guilty by proxy.


 No.1822828

>>1822788

Bloodthirsty socdem strikes again


 No.1822833

>>1821745

We need someone to keep shouting at black rod when Skinner leaves.


 No.1822842

>>1820241

he says. pretending Liberals won't get the bullet too


 No.1822850

>>1820241

Don't know what Corbyn is but that's definitely what I am.


 No.1822861

File: a37b14d02427384⋯.jpg (9.81 KB, 194x260, 97:130, 362ac05306b90afa0b1e05a0db….jpg)

>>1820241

Armalites


 No.1823569

>>1820896

Tell me you're joking or we should all be very afraid.


 No.1823731

File: a1f6915caa044d5⋯.png (57.13 KB, 567x240, 189:80, ClipboardImage.png)

This was just 24 hours before Chuka Umunna successfully kamikaze'd PLP unity over the single market brexit question, throwing open the civil war which had been laid to rest by corbyn success, that too when the tories were facing the most pressure over NI abortions and pay caps.

zizek's a prophet right?


 No.1823753

>>1823731

chuka doesn't seem to be getting much sympathy thankfully


 No.1823829

Cannot believe I only just started watching [i]The Thick of It[/i]

Although I'm starting to think it might build my bizarre vision of Alistair Campbell as "The good Blairite" to disturbing proportions. (I mean, it's only about an inch tall and it's already quite frightening, sitting at the end of the bed calling me a poncey haired twat and threatening to remove my gallbladder with a straw if I make this post.)

The first show in years I've actually binge-watched 20 minutes at a time until the words stopped making sense.


 No.1823921

File: 2ffe541dc731d16⋯.png (67.89 KB, 500x500, 1:1, 2ffe541dc731d165220f80795d….png)

>>1823829

>[i]The Thick of It[/i]


 No.1823988

>>1823921

If it's the formatting: The words still aren't making sense and I shitpost on other imageboards with different formatting. (At least I look less of a twat than when I use doubled-up-single-quotes on imageboards that use [i])

If it's the show: I will fucking fight you lad.


 No.1824096

>>1822208

Disgusting


 No.1824134

>>1823753

probably because he kept a low profile during the election campaing, it's painfully obvious chuka is out for himself and nothing else


 No.1824350

File: 8988daa32e0c7af⋯.pdf (1015.22 KB, 9472_Alternative Models of….pdf)

I don't recall seeing this here, but here's a verrrrrrry interesting internal Labour document, enticingly called Alternative models of ownership.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/20197/jeremy-corbyn-labour-democracy-economy-election


 No.1824362

>>1824350

> The predominance of private property ownership has led to a lack of long-term investment and declining rates of productivity, undermined democracy, left regions of the country economically forgotten,and contributed to increasing levels inequality and financial insecurity.

Oh wow.


 No.1824383

>>1824350

>These issues are all the more pronounced given the increasing levels of automation in our economy. Automation has an emancipatory potential for the country’s population, but the liberating possibilities of automation can only be realised – and the threats of increased unemployment and domination of capital over labour only countered – through new models of collective ownership that ensure that the prospective benefits of automation are widely shared and democratically governed.


 No.1824400

>>1824350

I just came several times reading through that article.

I mean, it's not as radical as I would have liked, but god damn if it isn't a start


 No.1824612


 No.1824713

>>1822788

trident will be used against yorkshire secessionists


 No.1824738

>>1824713

On the caliphate of Birmingham please


 No.1825609

File: f63863fc5d0742f⋯.jpg (117.57 KB, 740x910, 74:91, DDgYXp6XcAAvcd5.jpg)

Momentum's next plans for the coming year. For trots they are bloody organised.


 No.1825621

>>1825609

momentum aren't actually trots are they?


 No.1825622

anyone @ the demo today? any streams for those of us who cant make it?

https://bambuser.com/v/6792156


 No.1825632

>>1825621

In terms of general stances and activity: yes. In terms of theory, they have none.


 No.1825648

>>1825609

>momentum are trots

t. tom watson


 No.1825652

You know as I sit and think about the insanity of my own political position*, I can kind of see why the ladder climbing slimeballs in Scottish Labour have such a pathological hate for the SNP. For me, it's a confusing situation where there's a fork in the road and I've gone to sleep in the car rather than commit - for them it's a leisurely Sunday drive to power (or at least shadow cabinet) down the Labour road being disrupted by colliding head-on with a freight train at a level crossing. (Don't focus too much on the topography of this metaphor alright?) Incredibly inconvenient would be an understatement.

*At the crazy intersection between being pro-Independence, pro-Corbyn, anti-Scottish-Labour, but with a deep desire to basically fold into UK-wide Labour politics. It's like that weird opposite side to Scotland being ignored, where the relevant Scottish factors are instead loudly in play.

>>1825648

t. Rot


 No.1825661

File: f032e4e1faf29db⋯.gif (1.07 MB, 480x360, 4:3, 4e174b70571e5c53b4c5605f47….gif)

>>1825652

what gave it away :^)


 No.1825662

>>1825652

Tbh any proper leftist stances that the SNP had have died with their push to become a broad front for independence (as opposed to Plaid Cymru, which is still pretty lefty). Yeah the Scottish labour party is full of blairites, but there is only one way to fix that: join it and make John Maclean proud.


 No.1825682

>>1825661

I just wanted to say it because Rot is also Red in German.

>>1825662

I could stomach joining it to move it left if it wasn't permanently bound to be unionist by default. (But weirdly, I'd love to just join Yorkshire Labour or something and bugger the whole issue. Like I said, fun crazy position.) Or at the very least if they just shut their faces on the constitution and let another independence referendum pass. (I'll spare any detailed elaboration on the constitution. Like I said: Crazy positioning.)

It's worth noting that the SNP strictly speaking started as a broad front and only developed left-wing stances in their push for electoral success. (I forget the exact details at this time and I'm too lazy to Google, but there was a lefty pro-independence predecessor party and a rightish home-rule one IIRC.) Though this plays to our favour because it means they're duty bound to back a Corbyn government out of self interest as much as anything else.


 No.1825725

>>1825609

they're very good at making propaganda

a lot of liberal friends have been sharing their videos


 No.1825746

>>1825662

>join it and make John Maclean proud.

Do affiliated trade union members in Scotland have the same input as affiliated trade union members in England?

Whilst affiliated members can't vote for the NEC or regional heads etc, they can vote for the party leadership, hence how I managed to vote for Corbyn to be leader without being a Labour Party member (I joined after, not sure I would have joined if Burnham was the leader).

So if you do have reservations about being a Labour Party Member in Scotland, then just join an affiliated union, support your fellow workers when they need it and vice versa, and have a say on who runs the Labour Party without being fully committed.


 No.1825846


 No.1826114

File: c05ef9772a375c8⋯.jpg (13.04 KB, 480x360, 4:3, Sideshow rake.jpg)


 No.1826216

>>1825632

Well as long as they don't enter mitosis it's all good.

>>1826114

Liberals are dead-set on soft Brexit, and I have no doubt it's because of muh free trade spookery. But then again, I don't know what will be the impact of staying out of the common market and customs.


 No.1826229

>>1826114

Could have sworn The Guardian used to be left wing.


 No.1826245

>>1825746

Eh, they do but a lot of scottish unions aren't affiliated. That's because scotland has its own TUC (that has been a thing since hte 1880s) so only the GB-wide unions that have members in scotland affiliate with labour. The STUC specifically says it will be politically neutral (in this day and age, I imagine it is to prevent a split over separatism, in days of old it was because they felt the TUC would be so large it would dominate over Scottish interests). In conclusion, depends on the union.

>>1826229

The Guardian is the standard bearer for Blairism.


 No.1826248

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/881202621004083202

more good polls! how high will he go before next election?


 No.1826255

>>1826248

one poll has labour on 40% percent though, which is troubling

although i imagine whatever ground they lose now will be regained next election, corbyn is very good at campaigning


 No.1826267

>>1826262

>I'm not sure how they're funded either

by you comrade


 No.1826273

File: 96214c7e99fbe98⋯.jpg (59.8 KB, 615x409, 615:409, Chicken May.jpg)

>>1826262

What about the Mirror?


 No.1826280

File: 69407a1eeb8e1f4⋯.jpg (65.44 KB, 533x312, 41:24, stalin.jpg)

>>1826248

C-can you imagine a victory with, dare i even conceive such a thing, over 50% of the vote?

It would be the greatest mandate in British history since the Wartime coalition.


 No.1826286

>>1826279

Could you rename your image and gif posts so that we could figure out what it is without opening it?


 No.1826296

>>1826279

>posting loli porn without any indication of what it is when it has absolutely no context or relevance to the discussion

The rojavafags were banned, but this guy can post


 No.1826299

>>1826248

I really hope someone calls for a vote of no-confidence within this year especially during the heat of the EU negotiating just to further tear the government appart flatining any chance of the conservatives running a decent election campaign


 No.1826302

>>1826297

Hell just renaming the image file would be enough. and thanks for being courteous.


 No.1826303

>>1826262

>>1826279

>>1826297

Why is this being posted outside of /leftytrash/ anyway. fuck off with your shitty porn.


 No.1826306

>>1826299

just need to wait for the next inevitable consequence of austerity to manifest - Grenfall was one domino to fall, who knows what is next


 No.1826308

>>1826303

this

literally no relevance to the discussion at hand, this guy just wants to share his shitty fetish


 No.1826310

>>1826307

you should have stayed banned you subhuman piece of garbage


 No.1826319

>>1826306

One eye on the inflation and consumer rate another eye on the next market crash

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-consumers-idUKKBN19K36R


 No.1826320

>>1826307

Fuck off out of the last decent thread on the board you cancerous little faggot.


 No.1826321

>>1826262

> the Morning Star, and that's hardly mainstream

they usually have a copy in most newsagents

don't know if anyone actually buys them though


 No.1826325

>>1826315

>just get a VPN lol

>what do you mean the good ones cost money and the free ones sell your info

>what do you mean not everyone is a neet waste of oxygen like me that just live's on mummy's money


 No.1826332

>>1826319

Im always sad when an article has no comment section.


 No.1826338

>>1826331

imagine what it's like living life without having to pay rent, without having to pay for food, without having to pay for your child's bullshit, and then imagine you spend all your opportunities and all your excess cash to buy a VPN so you can post child porn on a leftist image board

fuck off /pol/, we know you're trying to frame us as paedophiles and it won't stick. being weeaboo pedos is your kind's game


 No.1826355

>>1826350

I'm not worried about going to jail for your fetish. I'm angry about you shitting up discussion when your images are of no importance to the thread.

>oh yeah just use tor

>nevermind the fact that your pc can then be used as a node for some faggot to buy drugs or cheese pizza

eat shit and die, tbh fam

now getting to the actual thread at hand

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/881204833314799616

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 41% (-)

LAB: 40% (-4)

LDEM: 7% (+1)

UKIP: 2% (-)

GRN: 1% (+1)

(via @Survation, 28-30 Jun)

Chgs w 17 Jun

What did they mean by this


 No.1826365

>>1826355

that gif of may laughing makes her look retarded and people who post it unironically in support of may look even more retarded.


 No.1826369

>>1826355

>oh yeah just use tor

>nevermind the fact that your pc can then be used as a node for some faggot to buy drugs or cheese pizza

Using Tor doesn't make you an exit node. Don't post disinformation.


 No.1826374

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-government-centrist-coalition-hung-parliament-a7818051.html

The new centre party is here already – and it won the election

<The arithmetic of a hung parliament means that an informal coalition of centrist Conservatives and centrist Labour MPs holds power

John Rentoul, Labour-supporter-but-not, continues to display the total ravaging of his rectum in his ongoing rampage of rage.


 No.1826375

>>1826355

>What did they mean by this

probably an outlier, maybe a couple of libs defecting to the LDs because of the single market stuff. they'll come back when it counts


 No.1826378

>>1826365

She reminds me of Clinton a little with her bizarre facial expressions


 No.1826379

>>1826374

>centrist conservatives

>the same people who made a coalition with the political wing of the old testament, the DUP

really makes you think


 No.1826385

>>1826379

centrism now includes killing catholics


 No.1826390

>>1826355

>I'm angry about you shitting up discussion when your images are of no importance to the thread.

<Nobody complains about this when it's not loli

Really gets those synapses blasting


 No.1826402

>>1826390

>Nobody gets angry when nobody posts loli

<So I post loli because I am a cool dude

Some threads later:

<wtf! why everyone hate on pedos!

<we are just human beans! we literally did nothing wronk!!

<as if you want to put us all in a gulag how rude!!!!


 No.1826407

>>1826402

I'm not that guy lol but yeah, those last three pinktexts but unironically.


 No.1826408

>>1826402

stop giving him attention, anon

he does this shit because his dad never spent enough time with him so now he has this complex where he seeks attention. he does this by posting CP on unrelated threads. Just stop giving him (you)'s and he'll kill himself eventually


 No.1826412

>>1826355

>when May is getting a negative rating and Corbyn having a positive rating

Wtf is UK thinking right now?


 No.1826417

>>1826412

they're hearing the people sing, singing the songs of angry men

>tfw there will never be a good communist movie


 No.1826419

>>1826410

Pedos are forced to anonymise their IPs which allows them to act even bigger faggots than the average anon on their home IP, which they regularly do as you are doing now. Don't try and pull a fast one on me you little victim, loli has been banned here for weeks because of laws against it and you were given fair warning.


 No.1826421

>>1826417

Uuuuh Battleship Potemkin?


 No.1826424

>>1826414

>>1826417

That doesn't explain why the leader polling is slightly inverse to the party polling


 No.1826426

>>1826417

>what is land and freedom

>what is libertarias

>what is reds

wew and that's just off the top of my head


 No.1826429

>>1826421

>>1826426

modern movie

>>1826424

That was an outlier fam. Wait until the next poll


 No.1826450

>>1826280

Last time that happened was Stanley Baldwin in 1931, where the tories won 470/615. The main thing is now about margin: 1931 had a stupidly large margin so that's how he won 76% of the seats.

>>1826429

Dude, Battleship Potemkin is 1925.


 No.1826454

>>1826450

it's from 1925, how is it modern?


 No.1826456

>>1826454

Oh, misread.

Regardless, Brazil is pretty lefty.


 No.1826504

>>1826424

it's probably an outlier, labour have been steady at aroung 45% for a while now, i don't think 5% are going to desert because of chuka or whatever


 No.1826529

>>1826216

>I don't know what will be the impact of staying out of the common market and customs.

It will be quite bad unless there's a deal that largely replicates us being sm+cu members.

http://www.eureferendum.com/default.aspx


 No.1826613

>>1826262

The Grauniad lost its brains, its heart and its balls at about the time they destroyed their HDs with Snowden files. They had been doing the world a favor by publishing them via Glenn Greenwald, then they suddenly stop, and 4 days later they destroy the HDs with fucking power tools under the watchful eyes of GCHQ gimps. I can only wonder what kinds of deals were made in those 4 days. Is there a way to know if there was a change in editorship or even ownership in this interim?

Oh yeah, I was also reminded of this while googling:

>Hence the extraordinary step taken last week by France, Portugal, Spain and Italy, of denying airspace to Bolivian president Evo Morales's executive jet, wrongly suspected of carrying Snowden from Moscow to Latin America.

what do you mean capitalists from differents countries collaborate haha what a conspiracy theory bro "class colaboration" yeah right haha

>>1826315

damn, that's the longest huhuhu I've seen yet

>>1826417

>>tfw there will never be a good communist movie

Dude… you're a filthy nekulturny.


 No.1826727

>>1826332

internet comments sections are the worst thing mankind has invented


 No.1826739

>>1826727

They were decent in the UK when the Indy used disqus. Never integrate with social media.


 No.1826750

>>1826365

>>1826378

Suddenly the lizard-people theories make sense to me.


 No.1826780

>>1826355

>my local momentum shittalking tories in the comments

And to think I was convinced the Tories were going to gain a constituancy here.


 No.1826810

>>1826780

It was a real possibility in the last few weeks, but Merseyside stayed strong.


 No.1826813

>>1826810

Very much so. We even went from a 500 to 5000 majority in my seat.


 No.1826917

>>1825662

>join it and make John Maclean proud

SLab and Labour by extension are both simply the left wing of British capital. They have an institutional attachment to the British state and will never do anything to weaken it in any way. Corbyn is a bad joke gone out of hand to them, and his radicalism will be reigned in eventually.

When it comes to looking at Scotland, I feel like ironically a 3rd-worldist/classically marxist-leninist view of the situation actually helps:

There can be no national emancipation without the constructive efforts of the national bourgeoisie, and class emancipation must naturally follow national emancipation.

Yes, the SNP are a bourgeois-nationalist party. But in Scotland we have two things already in favour: its *indigenous* capitalist class being near-extinct for almost a century, and the SNP being transformed from inside by a vast working-class lefty membership.


 No.1827213

Labor approval shot up during the election in part because the Television media were required to allow Corbyn to defend himself from their lies and smears. Now the post election high is wearing off and the media can continue their Bourgeois boosterism without equal time or right of reply. I would be surprised if Labor's numbers don't begin to decline somewhat, but I don't think it's anything to be concerned over.


 No.1827359

File: 96c94d26b52ce8d⋯.png (36.98 KB, 1005x790, 201:158, Gross_domestic_product_(GD….png)

fucking hell

(GDP per capita PPP as compared to the EU average or something like that. That hilariously out-there dot is the entire London area.)


 No.1827408

>>1827359

How come we have two capitals?


 No.1827413

>>1827408

One is just "inner London" whatever that means, the other is the entire London area.


 No.1827462

>>1827359

haha we are so fucked when london is kill


 No.1828100

>>1827462

City of London produces nothing but meaningless numbers. If you removed the finance "industry" from that graph, it wouldn't be very impressive.


 No.1828131

>>1827413

The City of London is a little micro-sized country within London that's openly run by corporations.

Regular London is called metropolitan London.


 No.1828604

File: c6e229210d99c20⋯.png (699.78 KB, 800x1237, 800:1237, Screenshot_2017-07-02-21-2….png)

File: e733dd153a328f7⋯.png (703.65 KB, 800x1170, 80:117, Screenshot_2017-07-02-21-3….png)

It's time for another round of dumb takes about Corbyn.


 No.1828739

>>1828604

>Owen Smith says he 'might have gotten us to win'

Come back when you have thousands of new Labour voters chanting your name


 No.1829089

File: 9268afeb9fdf108⋯.png (98.15 KB, 351x470, 351:470, corb_tie.png)

nothing spookier than a man in a tie


 No.1829098

>>1829089

>he's literally wearing a tie


 No.1829159

>>1829089

Isn't corbyn famous for not dressing up like other politicians? Is this a parody piece?


 No.1829162

>>1828739

Reminder that during Owen Smith's speech at the Labour leadership debate he said "Now, you could have this man," and signaled to Corbyn, and the audience went wild and cheered for half a minute, ruining his speech.


 No.1829168

>>1829098

Yeah pretty funny, completely unintentional too (unless the headline writer is a genius saboteur)

>>1829159

Yeah, one of the most popular clips of him is him calling out the Tories for stepping out of large limos with even larger bellies in their dinner party clothes, gets chastised for wearing a sweater, and tells the journalist straight it's a nice sweater and his mum knitted it and it's good for the weather and being around parliament.


 No.1829204

>>1829089

They will always find some dickhead willing to criticise something he does or doesn't do.

Jezza can literally never win with these scum.


 No.1829268

>>1828604

>women's issues

tbh this is another reason I have doubts about joining Labour. Women, particularly Blairite women appear to have a relatively strong and distinct power base. (Hell, as far as I know they've even got representation quotas for some committees - at least at the lower levels. Maybe the SNP do too, but still, offputting.)

If I'm going to engage in factional struggle I want it to be a recreation of my teenage forum battles, I don't want to have to temper and moderate myself so I don't get hung out to dry for "Sexism" as a result of women not liking my attitude (few do), forced to fight against people who I can't directly replace (and thus have to find other people who I don't really understand or trust to replace them.) and I certainly don't want to pretend I care beyond "Yeah, well that's a good idea but I'm having nothing to do with it, I've got British rail operating sectors to delineate."

Pretty autistic admission but whatever. It's a legitimate piece of potential tedium. and a subtle admission that I enjoy arguing, deep down. Can't even flee to trade unions, as I was gleefully reminded the average trade union member is now a young woman.


 No.1829479


 No.1829500

File: 20fa5540f0d5d00⋯.gif (504.27 KB, 1080x1080, 1:1, 1492653997132.gif)

>>1829479

>You've hinted you want nothing to do with women… why not go to the board where people discuss their saviour complex towards women?


 No.1829650

>>1829268

>tbh this is another reason I have doubts about joining Labour. Women, particularly Blairite women appear to have a relatively strong and distinct power base. (Hell, as far as I know they've even got representation quotas for some committees - at least at the lower levels.

I can confirm that this is certainly true for Labour Party delegates to conference. Every 750 members in your local branch is entitled to have one delegate sent to the national conference to vote on resolutions and put forward resolutions. Half of all delegates must be women, if only one delegate is sent, then she must be a woman if the previous year's delegate was not a woman.

Similar rules apply to candidate short-listings to candidates running for elections.

What this does is, it effectively halves (assuming women participate at the same rate as men) the pool of potential candidates and allows shitty Blairites or no theory anti-socialist candidates to run with greater ease as better candidates are disqualified for no crime other than having the wrong genitalia.


 No.1829682

File: 8e7a4ec26bc984a⋯.png (487.63 KB, 739x676, 739:676, ClipboardImage.png)

Can any /brit/ brief me on that baby the hospital is going to kill?


 No.1829701

>>1829682

From the Gruniad:

>His parents, from Bedfont in west London, want to take him to the US to undergo an experimental treatment but doctors at GOSH said that, given Charlie’s condition, the therapy was unlikely to have a beneficial outcome.

>British courts ruled that it would be lawful for the hospital to withdraw life-sustaining treatment because it was highly probable Charlie would suffer significant harm if his life was prolonged without realistic prospect of an improvement. They cited established human rights law, which dictates that the rights of a child should take precedence over the rights of a parent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Ormond_Street_Hospital


 No.1829715

>>1829701

That's pretty fucked up tbh


 No.1830101

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-jeremy-corbyn-conference-rule-changes-date-clp-nec-national-executive-committee-labour-first-a7817121.html

>Labour’s right wing has launched a new plan to rein in Jeremy Corbyn’s power despite his growing standing within the party following the general election result

>The battle plan, issued to activists just a week after Labour overturned Theresa May’s majority, would water down Mr Corbyn’s influence on the party’s powerful executive by drafting in extra members likely to be hostile to him.

>The manoeuvre is the latest sign of the continuing guerrilla warfare taking place behind the scenes in Labour, with Mr Corbyn’s own supporters undertaking a counteroffensive to try and cement the left’s grip on the party.

>The new rule change backed by the party’s right would reduce the proportion of seats on the National Executive Committee directly elected by ordinary party members and increase the proportion appointed by local authority councillors – who are thought to be more hostile to Mr Corbyn.

>The plan, which would double the number of councillor-appointed seats from two to four on the tightly-contested body, comes from the Labour First group. Labour First describes its mission as being to “ensure that the voices of moderate party members are heard while the party is kept safe from the organised hard left”.

>The left won a clean sweep of all six of the elected members’ representatives in the 2016 NEC but Mr Corbyn’s allies have struggled to get their way in the body because other parts of the committee are appointed or elected by MPs, councillors, or other elements in the labour movement. The NEC is key to controlling Labour, with its sweeping powers to suspend affiliated organisations and party members, as well as change Labour’s constitution.

Quoted text is just a summary. The full article is worth a read, especially if you're a foreigner or haven't been following everything closely


 No.1830130

McDonnell is going to be the minister of the gulags right


 No.1830160

>>1830130

Sadly thanks to policing cuts inherited from the previous administration, there are no longer sufficient officers to operate the planned Gulag network.

Instead, McDonnell will impose justice for this and other policy disasters from previous regimes as the first Minister of the Ex-Chequers.


 No.1830442

>>1830130

Saw him at a talk during Glastonbury. Though about asking him something about Marxism or whatever but I couldn't think of anything at the time.


 No.1830572

>>1830442

He probably wouldn't answer. I'd be paranoid someone would be recording it and would use it against me.


 No.1830585

>>1830572

Solid point. Pretty sure it was being recorded in some fashion or another.


 No.1830630

File: ed044d5651d8722⋯.jpg (13.36 KB, 350x350, 1:1, Marx_Karl_plaque.jpg)

>>1830585

It's a sign of how far we've fallen as a country that saying you read Marx and liked it draws so much opprobrium these days.


 No.1830646

File: 3af6915419502d0⋯.png (825.07 KB, 880x1292, 220:323, Corbyn.png)

>>1830630

Eh, things are changing: the economist saying "yeh actually marx was bretty gud" helps. There is the entire thing with Farage (pic related) and it seems people are actually starting to understand him again. It helps that we now live 26 years since the fall of the USSR and Marx isn't attached to the soviet union in the minds of the youngings anymore.


 No.1831282

>>1828604

>>1829089

The concerted smearjob on Corbyn is the most impressive continuous stream of hilarious imbecility I have ever seen. Trump was smeared far more, of course, but he actually deserved most of it.

>>1829500

>saviour complex towards women

Are we talking about the same /r9k/?


 No.1831325

File: 204819c513c3e4e⋯.gif (1.03 MB, 270x252, 15:14, corbyn.gif)

just been on jezza's twitter for the first time in a while, looks like he knows what an important battlefield it is as he's really ramping things up

maybe he'll visit /leftypol/ some day


 No.1831660

Threads have been v slow lately.


 No.1831666

>>1831660

It's the calm before the storm innit


 No.1831667

>>1831325

That's a well edited gif


 No.1833275

File: 5a9dd832d09cd1e⋯.png (473.02 KB, 661x655, 661:655, ClipboardImage.png)

SOMEONE STOP THIS MADNESS!

Oh no, not the media! https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/dec/23/jeremy-corbyn-labour-media


 No.1833302

File: 60fd186c2a206a3⋯.png (655.71 KB, 662x542, 331:271, Perm campaign.PNG)

>now permanent campaign

>soon permanent revolution


 No.1833359

File: ada8182ecf23083⋯.jpg (89.82 KB, 785x839, 785:839, trotsky3.jpg)

>>1833302

>mfw

>>1833275

>In an interview in Monday’s Morning Star, Corbyn said the party also wanted to promote co-operative ownership models for the media.

Can one man get anymore based?


 No.1833400

File: ae4fbab1232cc2a⋯.jpg (21.72 KB, 460x300, 23:15, AVBC.jpg)

>>1833275

ONE MAN ONE NEWSPAPER


 No.1833403

>>1833275

Don't know why the Guardian would be upset, they've hardly got enough money left to continue at their current size.


 No.1833884

File: ede86274fbae609⋯.jpg (23.98 KB, 326x306, 163:153, 1498317716181.jpg)

>>1833275

>Just when you thought someone could not get more based

Now this is real populism instead of whining about the media like Trump


 No.1834419

>>1833275

>>1833359

Titoism with british characteristics


 No.1834447

>>1834419

have you seen the alternative methods of ownership report?


 No.1834455

>>1834447

God that shit made me hard: the fact it deals with the differing natures of nationalisation, socialisation and cooperativeisation is quite promising too. Shame no syndicalisation though.


 No.1835195

File: c69f45ca4d88917⋯.jpg (50.78 KB, 595x335, 119:67, Corbyn propaganda poster 2.jpg)

>>1833275

Okay, I'm impressed. Smashing the overly concentrated media is a good step towards more democracy, not to mention it harms capitalist propaganda efforts. It's nowhere near as good as nationalizing all media and letting them be administrated by elected, often-replaced common citizens, but it's a start.


 No.1835942

File: 73ae3448ba5f11b⋯.png (4.53 MB, 2500x1875, 4:3, ClipboardImage.png)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-risk-assessor-carl-stokes-buried-fire-risk-report-kensington-and-chelsea-tenant-a7819386.html

>Fire consultant Carl Stokes was paid £244,318 over seven years as fire risk assessor for Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation

>Mr Stokes advised the organisation that they did not have to disclose safety risks and risk being obliged to deploy expensive “additional fire safety measures”

>A Fire Risk Assessment for Grenfell Tower submitted by Mr Stokes to KCTMO in November 2012 suggested burying the report because the London Fire Brigade “have the power to undertake an audit of the fire risk assessment to determine if it is suitable and sufficient or not.”

>Documents obtained by The Mail on Sunday reveal that in 2010, KCTMO wanted to hire a consultant who was willing to take on fire regulators over their demands.

>Mr Stokes was recommended to KCTMO directors by housing official Janice Wray as “willing to challenge the fire brigade on our behalf if he considered their [safety] requirements to be excessive.”

This is murder. They literally hired an inspector for the express purpose of stopping fire safety measures. They spent a quarter of a million dollars making sure these people burned to death.


 No.1836334

>>1835942

not quite murder but someone's definitely seeing jail time


 No.1836455


 No.1837434

This thread just keeps getting slower


 No.1837444

>>1837434

You can't expect the hype from the snap election to sustain


 No.1837459

>>1836334

Planning to kill loads of people to save money isn't murder? Inb4:

>Their intention was to save money, not to kill

Semantics, they saved money in a manner they knew would kill people. I assume you mean that bourgeois law won't see it as murder, though, and I guess you're right.


 No.1837460

>>1829650

>>1829268

Why are women Blairites at all?


 No.1837485

>>1837460

because WIMIN R DUM


 No.1837731

the fact that the edition is still "snap elections" really triggers my autism


 No.1837810

>>1837731

It it worth changing when the title might be relevant again in a couple months anyway?


 No.1838455

File: 8a1dc3264270719⋯.png (43.82 KB, 633x334, 633:334, ASI.png)


 No.1838508

>>1838455

holy kek


 No.1839269

File: 6546c2b70d417aa⋯.mp4 (119.6 KB, 480x360, 4:3, gulag.mp4)

>>1838455

The only thing spinning will be Adam Smith in his grave


 No.1839272

>>1837434

*dabs*


 No.1839278

>>1839269

>The only thing

So the products are defective? I thought the invisible hand would've taken care of that!

yes, yes, I know Smith himself criticized the accumulation of market power and the suppression of free market competition that so extensively characterize modern capitalism, stopping short, however, of calling them innate products of capitalist property relations, but this is Meme Hour.


 No.1841125


 No.1841308

Zizek on This Week right now

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone


 No.1841329

File: 638602043a40e2d⋯.jpg (96.45 KB, 724x960, 181:240, Zizek Simpsons.jpg)

>>1841308

Oh shit you need a BBC account now forgot about that


 No.1841342

>>1841308

WHERE THE FUCK IS HE YOU FUCKING LIAR


 No.1841364

>>1841342

He's the third speaker, he'll come on later


 No.1841369

>>1841342

He was in great leader andrew neils intro


 No.1841374

>>1841364

the hardline liberal shill is leaving now thankfully


 No.1841376


 No.1841445

File: e3213f78d0a8714⋯.png (45.55 KB, 632x331, 632:331, JMD.png)


 No.1841449

hes on now


 No.1841470

Fuck, that credits G20 montage with Trudeau and the protests is aesthetic as fuck


 No.1841478

Think Andrew Neil despite being a conservative actually quite liked Zizek


 No.1841499

>>1841478

I think Zizek is easy for right-wingers to like, not only because he targets his messaging (criticising political correctness and 'leftist liberals') but also because you can't really tell he's a left-winger aside from him stating he's a communist or being more intimately familiar with leftist thought so you can view his statements through the appropriate leftist lens. Saying things like him being a 'leftist conservative' or not clearly denoting the multiculti liberals as separate from leftists makes it easy for rightists to like him because he almost fills the cliche role of an ex-adherent of an ideology criticising it from within and thus supporting the opposition.


 No.1841511

>>1841445

> 11.08am 19th September 2014

I remember waking up in tears that morning, when we lost our referendum. Seeing ignorant anglo pricks comment on our internal matters would have thrown me into a fit of rage at the time.

call me spooked or w/e but given the way things are going I'd honestly rather live in neoliberal/succdem Scotland than Corbyn's "socialist" Britain. Leftism is a part of Scottish DNA anyway and sometimes it feels like bringing down the union jack is more important than bringing down child poverty.


 No.1841520

>>1841511

>national liberation turns out to be capitalist self-preservation

no one is surprised


 No.1841571

File: a299456feb3f24f⋯.png (598.51 KB, 720x453, 240:151, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1841511

>Leftism is a part of Scottish DNA anyway

So is heroin


 No.1841898

>>1841520

It would undoubtedly be a long-term net gain for the world if the abstract entity of Britain was torn apart, with all the convenient excuses and lies it allows for. For all the power fantasy, the unwarranted self importance, etc, etc.

Not to mention that unless Scotland leaves the UK, Scottish domestic politics would remain tedious suicide-inducing insanity forever.

Furthermore to some degree, despite the papers on worker ownership I have to wonder if Corbyn (and perhaps even Trump) had some hints of actually being the resurgence of productive capitalism against financial capitalism as opposed to a stronger reaction against capitalism itself. (Which I have to say, I would still consider perhaps the greatest improvement we'd have had available to our lives since the mid 1970s. Bring back the comfortable antagonisms of fordism.)


 No.1842063


 No.1842106

>>1842063

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/883085855203745795

If you'd have said three months ago that Labour would have an 8 point lead over the Tories in early July you'd have been called a nutter by even the most ardent Corbynites.


 No.1842108

>>1842106

accidental sage


 No.1842128

>>1842106

Despite my relative optimism I have to note that in conventional circumstances the opposition tends to take the lead in the middle of a term even if they go on to lose the coming election.

These wouldn't seem to be conventional circumstances, though. (Particularly because Labour stalled in the middle and then suddenly lurched ahead during the campaign this time, the continued advance appearing to continue from that instead of the re-election of a government.)


 No.1842202

>>1842128

Depends how long this awful alliance between the Tories and the DUP last. Could have another election before the year is up and if both sides keep doing what they're doing, Labour will win in a landslide.


 No.1842246

>>1842063

>>1842106

LEAKED DRAFT OF THE 2018 LABOUR MANIFESTO:

1) abolish the monarchy

2) hang the capitalists

3) seize the means of production

4) ship the tories and blairites off to labour camps (geddit) in scotland or some other god awful place

5) reassert control over the territories in british colonial america

6) war with germany

7) legalize nazi-punching

8) repeal the gun ban and increase tv license fees by 13% to pay for a broad-based community program arming the proles

9) liquidate the chads

10) make anime real

We're doing it, boys!


 No.1842281

File: 465507bd0a8392d⋯.png (112.86 KB, 1125x1593, 125:177, My Vote.png)

>>1842246

> make anime real

Okay then…


 No.1842336

File: c31b2e14047662b⋯.jpg (80.63 KB, 1063x696, 1063:696, c31b2e14047662ba833c3dd926….jpg)

>>1842106

>mfw

>>1842128

>middle of a term

Almost a month after the election isn't the middle though


 No.1842343

>>1842281

>abolish backbones

kek

>tfw no qt libdem bitchboi cocksleeve to keep my dick warm at night

feels bad man

>>1842336

Are you tired of winning yet, anon?


 No.1842358


 No.1842372

File: e5e6198df559efb⋯.jpg (47.1 KB, 501x387, 167:129, 1983graph.jpg)

>>1842336

Labour had the lead in the polls from the 18th of May 1979 (Election May 3rd, Parliament opened 15th) until the Falklands war in 1982.

Interestingly looking back at it, Labour's 2015-2017 polling was dismal before Corbyn was made leader, remaining consistently behind the Conservatives. They only started to decline when the coup attempts began.


 No.1842374

>>1842343

>tfw no qt libdem bitchboi cocksleeve to keep my dick warm at night

I hear Nick Clegg is looking for a job.


 No.1842390

>>1842343

>Are you tired of winning yet, anon?

Nigga the Left hasn't 'won' in at least 3 decades so no

>>1842372

Yea I guess but that is not what i really meant

It will go higher in the middle


 No.1842417

>>1842374

>Nick Clegg

Jesus god anon I said qt not fugly


 No.1842465

You also said it was night, so looks shouldn't be as much a factor. (Unless you sleep with the light on, which you should definitely do by the way. t. EDF.)

I checked heights to see if I could make the case he was a manlet compared to contemporaries, but apparently every major figure of the period [i.e. party leaders and (shadow) chancellors] was 1.8-1.85m.


 No.1842771

File: 9ff3b75b0781366⋯.png (170.35 KB, 1072x1423, 1072:1423, 2017-07-07 13.04.31.png)

Some interesting reads

>The Guardian view on Labour unity: tolerance wins loyalty

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2017/jul/06/the-guardian-view-on-labour-unity-tolerance-wins-loyalty

>Tories plot to topple ‘three-legged horse’ Theresa May with a coup of mass resignations this Autumn

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3964529/tories-plot-to-topple-three-legged-horse-theresa-may-with-a-coup-of-mass-resignations-this-autumn/


 No.1842785

File: 9e19922f6951e4e⋯.jpg (34.81 KB, 369x481, 369:481, 7_19_b5.jpg)

>“I will never hand over our people to a bunch of fucking Fascists”

Leftpill me on based Callaghan, /Britleftypol/


 No.1842806

File: b2c7fa17a8af9dd⋯.jpg (852.49 KB, 1280x1600, 4:5, 297f00db8dbe6befc9693088d3….jpg)


 No.1842829

>>1842771

Why would the Tories wait til autumn? I don't get why they didn't get rid of May straight away, they all know she's electoral poison.


 No.1842859

File: 89e568137bd7768⋯.jpg (34.62 KB, 640x360, 16:9, _81805261_81805260.jpg)

>>1842417

>he wouldn't

he was a qt, in an anglo way, back in the day


 No.1842921

>>1842829

Parliament is out of session, also they don't want to give CLPs and other parties the whole summer to organise for war footing in earnest.

Also had first labour meeting yesterday, interseting stuff: for toryshire they do seem to actually like momentum.


 No.1842975

File: ba5fd6279d92deb⋯.png (733.02 KB, 774x734, 387:367, PREMIERSHIP ENDED WITH HEA….png)


 No.1842979

>>1842246

I know it's edgy but I hope I'll be able to hang a capitalist with my own hands within my lifetime.


 No.1842987

>>1842771

>>1842106

Tories will keep May for as long as she serves her purpose as a human shield.

They'll drop in Jacob Rees Mogg who is the only popular Tory.

And Britons - like the classcucks they are - will vote him in.


 No.1843461

Do you know what kind of stuns me? When I imagine that Blair, etc, had no real political beliefs and were just cynical power hungry bastards - I really find myself drawn to them. I mean, it's a damn good thing. When you actually imagine them as genuinely evil villains then it's all very impressive.

But then you see that actually, lost of them - like even Blair - appear to have some sort of underlying genuine political belief, believing their own lies instead of just strategically communicating them for personal benefit, and it becomes very baffling, sad, even angering. War in Iraq for money? Yeah, I get it. War in Iraq because you've the mental acuity of a springer spaniel? Not so much.


 No.1843495

>>1843461

I think Chomsky is correct, recalling his old interview with Marr, in that there is an ideological system in place carefully attuned to select for certain characteristics, the people with passionate convictions or the potential for such are sidelined, those who have no such convictions and are these genuine 'villains' out for nothing but their profit reach the heights of the corporate and deep state and those naive ideologues who genuinely believe the liberal drivel and want to change things for the better, coincidentally by doing everything the 'villains' want, become politicians. Hence people like Blair and the entire managerial class of modern politicians who have emerged in the last few decades where there is no grand vision, just managed decline of the status quo.

I sincerely miss politicians who were orators. Everyone in modern politics is utterly awful at speaking. No one has passion and conviction expressed. Its an aesthetic feature but nonetheless I find it essential as an ideological edifice that defines an era.


 No.1843913

>>1841520

Scotland's indigenous capitalist class has been effectively extinct since the end of the industrial revolution, and whatever remains of it has become inseperably wedded to the British state. The most "elite" supporters of independence are really just eccentric petit-bougies.


 No.1843917

>>1841571

"Lust for Life" has been stuck in my head all morning.


 No.1846096

File: e60389efb6f3889⋯.png (215.67 KB, 2000x1200, 5:3, nederlandse democratische ….png)

why do I see you bongs post in every thread talking about revolution being close?

I don't buy it, it just seems like a socdem surge


 No.1846124

>>1846096

Fucking this. It's like Obama all over again.


 No.1846144

>>1846124

obama was before the great recession bottomed out


 No.1846241

>>1846096

I dunno, seeing people going around saying "yeah you know that bloke Marx had a lot of good ideas" and a leadership that is hiding its power level in the extreme gives me hope. There is genuine anger against capitalism itself: I have seen from the christian community people ranting against free markets over Grenfell. Nothing overtly socialist, but class consciousness is building.


 No.1846255

File: 4b7bb8e6d5a9012⋯.webm (10.31 MB, 704x396, 16:9, Jeremy_Corbyn_says_a_Sept….webm)


 No.1846313

tbh even if Corbyn totally ditched his economic program in office, he could still be the best prime minister since the 70s if he deregulated trade unions.

especially sympathy strikes, sympathy strikes are absolutely essential. companies who act inappropriately should not simply have to take on their own workers, but the working class as a whole.


 No.1846325


 No.1846853

File: e10d92658348dba⋯.png (781.37 KB, 600x719, 600:719, Muriel.png)


 No.1846870

File: 671aded8e44681d⋯.png (130.95 KB, 226x273, 226:273, 671aded8e44681d8f6b121c2a1….png)

>>1846853

Now that is a smug face of which I can approve.


 No.1846876

>>1846096

It's mostly memeing but if you pay attention to the political situation, class consciousness is starting to rise. With our lad in labour, and Grenfel has certainly rattled a few cages, neoliberalism is losing its grip slowly but surely.


 No.1847488

>>1846313

Corbyn could be 1000% neoliberal but his anti-imperialist foreign policy would make it worth it alone


 No.1847498


 No.1847844

I'm pretty sure the Labour leadership is hiding their power level until the proletariat decides to guillotine burgie, or at least McDonnell is


 No.1847855

File: 271bed7d6d3436c⋯.png (118.58 KB, 900x540, 5:3, flag_of_socialist_britain_….png)

When are brits making this their flag


 No.1848076

>>1847855

>still making three-bars flags

>$CURRENT_YEAR


 No.1848630

Do Tories do this every year in the Durham Miners Gala? The latest rhetoric coming out in twitter.

https://twitter.com/_hanimustafa/status/883734245688176640


 No.1848632

>>1848630

Also I don't know the context of this statistics to know if they are telling the truth so any bongs can clarify?


 No.1848655

File: 76d3b7d43de97b0⋯.mp4 (4.41 MB, 720x720, 1:1, 883951871697793024_8839518….mp4)


 No.1848896

>>1847855

Looks like fucking shit.


 No.1848980

Lmao BTW in the BIL vs All Blacks 2nd game (the one they won) the crowd started chanting "oh Jeremy Corbyn" Down here in NZ.


 No.1848992

>>1848655

It wouldn't work: a movement like that needs to be organic, not forced and have money thrown at it.


 No.1849400

>>1846096

not revolution, at least i don't think, but something is definitely happening here.


 No.1849690

File: 64f8a4e373c5903⋯.png (408.43 KB, 699x551, 699:551, ClipboardImage.png)

>You can't fire me, I quit.


 No.1850562

OFFICIAL ANTHEM OF /Britleftypol/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmJvSRE1K7s


 No.1850615

>>1849690

🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧moderates🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧


 No.1851607

>>1841376

>thats the sun going down, I'll go to bed soon

>ah fuck the sun's coming up

how do I fix my sleep pattern before uni lads? I think I'm fucked even if there are a few weeks till results day.


 No.1851631

>>1851607

Nick Land was employed by a university, Nick Land took a lot of speed. Coincidence?


 No.1851670

>>1851607

go to the gym, spend your day outside in the sunlight


 No.1851679

>>1851607

Do an all-nighter then go to bed at a normal time. You'll feel like shit, but that "reset" really works as long as you make yourself get up the next day.


 No.1851737

File: d3797929cd95673⋯.png (454.48 KB, 1009x671, 1009:671, 2.png)

>>1850562

Maybe i'll come up with something more clever and snarky when he's done fucking you over, but i really like that image.

He's just like "oops, did i deceive you? *shrug*"


 No.1851738

>>1851607

Sun goes down, sun goes up. You cant explain that.


 No.1851933

File: 2e6ba9a96438ae6⋯.png (875.07 KB, 1101x1079, 1101:1079, Screenshot_29.png)

File: ae73d48217489de⋯.png (498.01 KB, 568x855, 568:855, Screenshot_30.png)


 No.1851951

>>1851933

Why is parliament full of such low calibre people? The standard is shockingly low.


 No.1851958

>>1851951

Very irritated I can't find it, but a hypothesis I found in a book review was that the 1992 election was a huge generator of hopelessness for people on both sides of the political spectrum - talented Labour-leaning types were completely disillusioned and went off to work in the media, etc, while talented Tories could see before the election that (a) they were going to lose, and (b) even after they didn't lose, they could see they'd lose next time making it a very bad gamble to join up, so they cleared off too. The end result is that only strange wonkish people like Ed Balls found themselves with the required experience, etc, today. (I think David Cameron and George Osborne were also examples of these wonkish types, as they ran the 1992 campaign IIRC - but they're posh so it's hard to tell where strangeness stops and "just being posh" begins.)


 No.1852179

official lib-dem power rankings:

Shirley Williams

[power gap]

Charles Kennedy

[infinite power gap]

[another really big power gap]

[the last two power gaps put together then cubed]

Nick Clegg and the other orange book scum.


 No.1852193

>>1850562

https://youtu.be/mWetR1rSP98

Will Stormzy be our Shostakovich?


 No.1852540

File: 8b038139b270dfa⋯.png (684.52 KB, 800x1219, 800:1219, Screenshot_2017-07-10-17-5….png)

File: 74b5739160ec449⋯.png (198.58 KB, 800x471, 800:471, Screenshot_2017-07-10-17-5….png)


 No.1852552

>>1852540

I dunno, you can kick a PM without having to call an election.


 No.1852680

File: 795b58da2b28229⋯.png (411.14 KB, 844x431, 844:431, glastonbury.png)

>>1852193

absolutely uncontrollable


 No.1852691

File: d73ff89287e9b32⋯.webm (3.9 MB, 400x300, 4:3, 1489954222668.webm)


 No.1852703

File: 97305b7c5aaa35a⋯.png (310.43 KB, 576x566, 288:283, angry porky.png)

>>1852540

>tories call snap election to bring in labour government so that when crash hits they can blame 'socialism'

>win but lose their majority

>labour becoming more and more popular while weak and unpopular tory government in office

>crisis approaching

>porky now sweating profusely

>desperately try to get another snap election so that labour get blamed for the crash

They can't get away with this.


 No.1852713

>>1852691

liberal scum


 No.1852714

File: 32b8c464a975401⋯.png (417.41 KB, 680x403, 680:403, 32b8c464a975401c5af065e52f….png)

>>1852691

Two things I love about that video.

The first is that Clease endorsed Labour this election: the first time he has endorsed anyway but the liberals (he did it in tandem this time).

Secondly the picture for "peaceniks" is LITERALLY JEREMY CORBYN.


 No.1852766

>>1852691

me circa 2007:

haha i love this video it's right on, this is exactly what it's like having a moderate outlook.

me circa 2017:

haha i love this video it's right on: having enemies is great fun and ""moderates"" who don't share my enemies deserve to die even more than my enemies, there's literally nothing wrong with abusing your enemies and indeed it may be a moral obligation in some circumstances to abuse them.


 No.1852808

File: 8be3bb3e37283d6⋯.jpg (124.29 KB, 516x299, 516:299, usvsthem.jpg)

>>1852691

It is not that i disagree with him with the idea of extremism looming over the left and right, but moderates can fall victim to this nonsense too ala radical centrism. Instead of the left hating right and vice versa, why not be a supreme gentleman and dismiss condescendingly to both the left and right


 No.1853074

File: 6f7ae366717f979⋯.gif (298.59 KB, 500x373, 500:373, Laugh.gif)

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-mps-idUKKBN19V238

Didn't even know "Nigger in the woodpile" was a phrase.


 No.1853108

File: a7f2cda0ba80e90⋯.jpg (268.25 KB, 800x1125, 32:45, a7f2cda0ba80e90fbba5810430….jpg)

Whole lot of ace Corbyn and Labour memes coming out. my worry is we are preaching to the converted. What are some good normie-tier twitter feeds to post them to?


 No.1853218

>>1852703

a uk crash before 2020 is pretty much inevitable, wouldn't surprise me if it's this year tbqh.

i said it all along, labour winning in 2017 would not be helpful for us. let the tories deal with the crash and brexshit.


 No.1853564

Blairism and New Labour have been committed to the view that there is a positive role for government in the management of society but they have also let go of fundamental concerns of social democratic thinking. Economic, technological and social changes have been regarded as immovable objects to which we must adapt rather than as fluid processes that can themselves be moulded. Rejecting the fundamental social democratic idea that governments can and should regulate institutional economic activity in order to safeguard a sphere of noneconomic social life Blairism ultimately failed to bring to public-sector reform anything other than the language of economic efficiency and choice. Setting himself against public-sector workers Blair hedged them in with requirements and targets that renewed and extended state centralisation.

Consequently, New Labour failed to reinvent the public ideal for the twenty-first century. The Blairite justification of policies to reduce inequality always tended to be technocratic and pragmatic rather than ethical or solidaristic. Equality was proposed as good because it limits the ‘social exclusion’ which leads to problems of crime and anti-social behaviour, and is economically wasteful. This has meant that social policy measures, for all the benefits they brought to some of the poor, failed to contribute to the sustenance of the sense of common interest on which social democratic values can build. As a consequence the legitimacy of welfare provision has further weakened. Labour under Brown has thus begun to propose a yet greater role for punitive measures against what much of the media tends to represent as an undeserving poor. The resources with which to defend an ideal of a collective egalitarian good have been depleted. As we have seen, new Labour made individual aspirations an object of government policy. But it was above all concerned with the aspirations of the poor and did not consider the social exclusion of the rich a priority. The cultivation of a sense of social responsibility among them has not been a governmental concern. In addressing manifest social problems around diet, alcohol consumption, environmental responsibility and violence New Labour has focused primarily on the behaviour of individuals. Its interventions have been confined to exhorting individuals or mildly manipulating their choices through the provision of incentives. It has rejected the idea that government can and should sometimes regulate institutional economic activity. Indeed, the food and alcohol industries have been deregulated.

It is against this context that we should place the crises of the Brown administration. The forging of New Labour involved the denigration of core principles of social democracy. As times have become harder new Labour ideologues have not been able to return to them and have found themselves drifting. They have hoped that more targets and more public disciplining of benefits claimants will constitute ‘reform’ of the public services; and in addressing economic turmoil they have emphasised the stimulation of individual consumer spending. Eschewing the opening of a wider debate about the regulation of finance and the redistribution of wealth Brown’s Labour has emphasised the temporary nature of regulatory and interventionist measures and continued to focus policy on attempts to modify the behaviour of individuals. The failure to sustain understanding of (and sympathy for) social democratic approaches to government has meant that Brown’s adoption of a thus far superficial Keynesian approach has been all too easily represented by opponents as either panic or simply ‘tax and spend’.

- Prof. Alan Finlayson in British Party Politics and Ideology After New Labour


 No.1853573

Also, the tories are trying to play up the "left wing troll" thing again: so try to tone things down a smidge lads, yeah?


 No.1853757

File: 4111adfda96e11c⋯.png (259.64 KB, 577x591, 577:591, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 7dd6ba5379e7b73⋯.png (436.64 KB, 573x516, 191:172, ClipboardImage.png)

this has to be a trap of some kind

unfortunately porky playing divide-and-rule with the left over brexit could well pay off


 No.1853795

>>1853757

If Corbyn is a smart opportunist he will use Brexit to maximize his power and reveal may for the empty shell she has become


 No.1853834

>>1853795

If Corbyn has any good sense he's going to stay the hell away from Brexit and let the Tories carry on with what they've continually been doing since 1972 - destroy themselves on the altar of Europe. Brexit is a poisoned chalice, pretty much nothing good can come of it for anybody least of all Corbyn.

Regardless of who's in charge there's going to be a massive flight of capital with multinationals and large droves of professionals moving away to do business in the EU (possibly Ireland). Massively devalued currency is going to demolish London and the South East's monetarist economy (much to the benefit of Macron's Paris and Frankfurt), though it might help Scotland since they're the only net exporter in the british isles. Manufacturing in Wales, Midlands and North etc. will also be damaged beyond repair. Fuck knows what Northern Ireland does.

If Corbyn inherits this, the right are just going to come back stronger by blaming all this on his economic vision. If the Tories have all this on their hands, then they won't be able to do much beyond temporarily and desperately deregulating/privatising everything, at which point corbyn comes in with his brexit-free clean hands and sorts it all out.


 No.1853977

File: 9f8759a3285070f⋯.jpg (354.97 KB, 1178x1200, 589:600, 1499722845495.jpg)

Never forget


 No.1853999

File: ae35c4239da913f⋯.jpg (54.68 KB, 600x586, 300:293, corbyn the cat.jpg)


 No.1854059

>>1853977

YOU WRETCHED COMMIE!


 No.1854180

>>1853977

>shuddering with fury over something that happened 54 years ago

>"Stop spreading lies about Jeremy - or you'll end up squashed like your sister's rabbit'. It's chilling."

Wait, is this supposed to be some kind of british humor or something


 No.1854199

File: 7e523b709f0a537⋯.jpg (173.25 KB, 839x960, 839:960, 10390573_1034241249925792_….jpg)

>>1854180

No. This is the news.

What do you do when a bloody Trot kills your bunny?


 No.1854340

File: e5bbad52eb8784e⋯.jpg (126.35 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, cca107adfbc20472b029bfa287….jpg)

>>1853834

Corbyn's biggest interest in Brexit is shattering the neolib chains that would prevent the UK from nationalizing all its natural monopolies again, I don't see how that could get done under a deal with the Tories.

Realistically, the only way Corbyn could get anything out of Brexit negotiations is under his direct control.

This does raise one question in my mind: How binding, long-term, are the Tories' treaties going to be on a future Labor government months from now? Could Corbyn renegotiate without being accused of jerking around the EU that soon?


 No.1854661

>>1853074

I see Reuters has the good sense not to censor "nigger", unlike… a top American network whose name I forgot.

>>1853977

F


 No.1855432

>>1854340

literally every nationalisation or otherwise "old" labouresque policy in his manifesto is either something already done in other european countries or allowed under EU treaties. Corbyn's really not promising anything that resembles "socialism in one country", he's just an authentic socdem. Yes, weakening the EU by leaving it may damage its long-term ability to carry out imperialism etc but it does absolutely fuck all to actually push Britain left. The only "neolib chains" the EU put on us were those that trading with anywhere else puts on us as well.

Just like far too many british leftists act as apologists for the EU simply due to Farage/Eurosceptic Tories being "nasty" or w/e, there are far too many non-brit leftists who apply the syriza/podemos/PCF perspective to the idea that the EU imposes austerity on Britain when infact it's our own democratically elected politicians doing that. Given that the UK was already outside the Eurozone (i.e. the economic backbone of the continental project) and further integration treaties, the EU was literally nothing more than a glorified trading club for us, and I don't see any meaningful left-wing goals achieved by leaving it (though that doesn't mean I endorse remaining either).


 No.1855506

>>1847855

literally hungary/10


 No.1855538

>>1851631

>Nick Land took a lot of speed

I think I'm starting to figure out what accelerationism is truly about.


 No.1855539

>>1855432

>either something already done in other european countries or allowed under EU treaties.

I keep hearing this, but whenever challenged on "and what about countries that attempt to revert privatisation?" whoever is challenging the matter drops off the face of the Earth.

>the EU imposes austerity on Britain

The EU says austerity works and hasn't dismissed it as fucking retarded. That's enough for shitbags like the Tories and their European equivalents. It's not an accident.


 No.1855553

>>1855539

austerity is the equivelant of trying to get my oxygen in your body by stranglng yourself


 No.1855556

>>1855553

At least unlike austerity I can get into that.


 No.1855604

>>1855539

>That's enough for shitbags like the Tories

Brexit isn't some kind of popular revolt or revolution. It's essentially an ideological power struggle between atlanticist porkies and europorkies with their own free market visions.


 No.1855634

>>1855604

Right, but where did I say that it was?


 No.1855924

File: 8e1e07938ca4dd6⋯.gif (715.74 KB, 512x512, 1:1, 8e1e07938ca4dd61de378fb435….gif)

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/884826906255929344

I never knew he was capable of such bantz

>>1853108

Posting them to his twitter posts is always good since critics will always reply to him anyway


 No.1856128

File: 21b91dfe0c65cb5⋯.jpg (53.46 KB, 750x722, 375:361, 1490746030291.jpg)

>local branch meeting with communist party tomorrow

>extreme social anxiety kicking in

JUST


 No.1856166

>>1856128

>being able to be part of the party

You'll be fine, son.


 No.1856177

>>1853074

It's certainly not one I've ever heard but it sounds like something that would be bandied around by Eton cunts


 No.1856260

>>1856128

Which one?

Also at a labour branch I introduced a local councillor (who actually understands what fucking socialism is, unlike some blairites) to Bookchin, the revolution grows stronger.


 No.1856264

File: 7f02f849f26df2b⋯.jpg (42.39 KB, 600x345, 40:23, Debt-to-GDP-ratio-as-perce….jpg)


 No.1856276

>>1853977

Her rabbit was probably a kulak anyway.


 No.1856301

File: 6f8d159bf1f090f⋯.jpg (23.91 KB, 300x419, 300:419, 1443695491170.jpg)

>>1856260

CPB

>spreading bookchin in local labour branches


 No.1856355

test


 No.1856370

>>1856355

you are no doubt visible flagless anon


 No.1856396

>>1856355

what did you get banned for?


 No.1856464

>>1856264

that was a goodass article


 No.1856555

File: 3fc318305743cdf⋯.jpg (3.66 MB, 3000x2037, 1000:679, nmedps1.jpg)

File: 0fc2c884c72fd12⋯.jpg (4 MB, 3000x2045, 600:409, nmedps2.jpg)

File: 2d150caeb15c77a⋯.jpg (3.53 MB, 3000x2042, 1500:1021, nmedps4.jpg)

>>1856264

I like this, particularly perhaps because "bored with hopelessness" would sum up my own outlook at the moment. The optimism is certainly emphasised by the line

>Labour has 4 years until the next election

and absolutely no reference whatsoever to 2017. i.e. this optimism is sourced from before we knew what was happening. It's like a John Curtice exit poll but backwards.

Also on

>The sprouting of British popular culture in the sixties was entirely a product of the United Kingdom’s then very generous welfare state. There is a reason that in Cockney rhyming slang, the word for “dole” is “rock ‘n’ roll”(“he got the sack, he’s on the rock ‘n’ roll again”): a surprising proportion of major bands later to sweep the world spent at least some of their formative years on unemployment relief. Blairites were stupid enough to combine their promotion of “Cool Britannia” with massive welfare reforms, which effectively guaranteed the entire project would crash and burn, since they ensured that pretty much everyone with the potential to become the next John Lennon would instead spend the rest of their lives stacking boxes in their local Tesco as part of the new welfare conditionality.

There's literally an NME thingy on this from like 1998.


 No.1856621

>>1856555

Wow I'm surprised that NME has (or had?) a higher standard of news reporting than most of the mainstream press, they always came across as that hipster corporate shill rag when I was a teen in post 9-11 era.


 No.1856682

>>1856264

>between December 2011 and February 2014, the Department of Work and Pensions reported that 2,380 Britons previously on disability support were found dead no more than six weeks after receiving notice that they were having their benefits cut because they had been determined to be “fit for work.”

Jesus fucking Christ.


 No.1857360

>>1856260

Could have thrown in a Cockshott tbh

>>1856264

>Despair fatigue

I didn't even start the article and it already describes me perfectly.

>>1856264

I know I'm exposing my ignorance here, but I'm yet to hear a good explanation as to why a national debt matters or not.

>>1856555 (checked)

>pretty much everyone with the potential to become the next John Lennon would instead spend the rest of their lives stacking boxes in their local Tesco as part of the new welfare conditionality

Someone, probably a relatively smart reactionary, is bound to have written something about how society doesn't seem to produce great talents anymore. The 20th century saw plenty of notorious politicians, artists, philosophers, even scientists. We used to have Picassos and Sartres and Einsteins, now we have Kinkades and Harrises and Tysons. Public education in a lot of countries was driven down, and people began being bombarded nonstop by pop culture dreck, advertising, meaningless "news" and other sorts of noises. Now at the same time the average keeps on increasing, we're more ignorant than we were in 1900.


 No.1857720

>>1856621

I'm going to guess had but then I'm like that.

One thing to note is that Stuart Campbell (now of Wings Over Scotland fame) has a interesting article about how 9/11 killed gaming journalism. One has to wonder if it carries over to music as well. I mean, it's an interesting path to chart anyway:

http://wosland.podgamer.com/how-911-killed-videogames-journalism/

>>1857360

Reminds me for some reason of this line in http://k-punk.org/precarity-and-paternalism/

"Hard to credit now, but there was once something paternalistic, almost philanthropic about the Beeb, spreading the cultural wealth of the educated classes through housing estates and comprehensive schools. This kind of evangelism rarely sits well with self-conscious champions of the lumpenproletariat, whose right to live in shit, they believe, outweighs their right to not live in shit - for some, being patronised is worse than being brutalised. But then people can be very naïve about the motivations of those who give the people what they want, relentlessly and remorselessly. And while the Corporation was sometimes guilty of gross assumptions and a very real stuffiness, I don't like to think how I might have grown up - stomping around in the middle of nowhere - had it not been for Life On Earth, or Carl Sagan's Cosmos, or James Burke's Connections, or the gentle guidance of the BBC Childrens' department. Years ago, I interviewed the men in charge of "youth programming" at Channel 4, goateed and bereted and utterly insistent that their race to the bottom was a noble crusade; they railed against the BBC's "eat-your-greens" approach, and spoke of gallons of liquid effluent, coursing through the pipes of British culture, in terms of freedom and some strange colour of egalitarianism. Here was the future, banging its drums, and even then it made me blanch. As controller of BBC2 in the late 1960s, David Attenborough had a different vision, rooted in what was, for all his personal muh privilege, an (enduring) belief in inclusivity. If the so-called Golden Age of Television could boast its fair share of shoddy, overlit crap – and my God, it could – at best it was truly empowering, and its passing has screwed us all to some extent. We can still choose to watch BBC Four, I suppose (assuming it's not another show where ex-NME writers smirk at Mud's trousers), but then this is an age of choices, few of which have much to do with freedom in the long term. No one's going to stumble onto culture any more, not like I did, or my dragged-up mates did. It's worse than a shame."


 No.1857830

>>1857720

Clickbait title aside, the gist of the first article actually seems to be "shifting from subscription fees to advertiser contracts as the balance of revenue killed journalism in paper gaming mags".

It's a foregone conclusion that (even moreso in the invariably 100% ad-funded online/broadcast format) money is the only thing that talks, in media.


 No.1857856

>>1856264

Graeber outdoes himself again. I feel positively giddy after reading that. The prospect of a national spirit that is excited and eager, and has reason to be in looking to the future, is fantastic.


 No.1858085

>>1857830

And now we are shifting back to it with Patreon.


 No.1858147

>>1856264

Pretty good tbh

>The chance of there not being some kind of economic crisis in those four years is infinitesimal.


 No.1858196

>>1853977

>Pam's sister Evelyn, now 57, said she had no recollection of the incident. She added: "I don't even remember Jeremy Corbyn living near us, and I never had a rabbit. Pam gets confused. She spends a bit too much time reading the daily mail, I'm afraid"

I'm confused. Why would they even print a slander article and then also slander the interviewed?


 No.1858200

>>1858196

To sell papers.


 No.1858208

File: ea06d9d96cfd048⋯.jpg (133.75 KB, 637x960, 637:960, 12036770_1178383405511575_….jpg)

>>1858196

Balanced news coverage.


 No.1858609

>>1858196

>>1858208

Sunday Sport is satire, I'm pretty sure.

Still hilarious at times.


 No.1858612

File: 4bd51239a493819⋯.jpg (339.35 KB, 1120x1200, 14:15, 1483161839892.jpg)

File: 5850d2fd3405771⋯.jpg (93.94 KB, 600x615, 40:41, ByANHczIEAEInMk.jpg)

File: 87d00a69b15e379⋯.jpg (199.4 KB, 1000x1026, 500:513, 30-years-of-sunday-sport-o….jpg)

File: 31c4ed8bd7030cd⋯.jpg (241.62 KB, 801x1200, 267:400, 1481918479173.jpg)

>>1858609

Malicious slander.


 No.1858875

File: c869e8aef508f79⋯.jpg (121.29 KB, 1007x1200, 1007:1200, DEdqfwYXgAAZ2bw.jpg)

Assuming the figures are accurate (seems to just be >>1827359 with Scotland added.) this is an interesting thing.

One has to wonder what the political impact is of Scotland having a more "European" distribution of income than the UK as a whole. (One also has to wonder how on earth regions of England manage to have a lower GDP/Capita than the Scottish Islands, unless they're aggregated into "Highlands and Islands")


 No.1858884

>>1858875

Fucking Norway


 No.1858887

File: 32e38f39d637f7d⋯.jpg (1.93 MB, 2868x1952, 717:488, Sports on sunday.jpg)

>>1858612

Some more classic sports on sunday


 No.1858912

>>1858609

The thing is, British tabloids have such an awful reputation that all foreigners, and a whole lot of Britishmen, think they're trying to pass off crazy lies as bonafide truth.


 No.1858934

>>1858609

isn't the point of the sport that it's got nudity inside and the articles are just filler?


 No.1859023


 No.1859064

>>1859023

Fucking class traitor

Comrade Corbyn is no longer my comrade and I am leaving the Labour Party


 No.1859094

File: 4a35256eb6d7bae⋯.jpeg (104.14 KB, 1200x1091, 1200:1091, 23780_amadeo-bordiga.jpeg)

>>1859064

>being in the labour party in the first place


 No.1859112

>>1859094

b-but Tom Watson said you guys spend all day trying to get into the Labour party


 No.1859165

File: bd2cfd28714aa5d⋯.pdf (1.3 MB, mccronereportscottishoffic….pdf)

Who wants a blood pressure boost?

(Lest non-Scots think it's only fair that the revenue be shared: Remember that didn't happen either. I'd go so far as to say that the UK as a whole would be better off had we never discovered North Sea oil, because in the end all it did was empower the worst governments we've ever had. It wouldn't be eyeball-bursting wall-punchingly bad if the money had been invested into industrial development UK wide.)

>It must be concluded therefore that revenues and large balance of payments gains would indeed accrue to a Scottish Government in the event of independence provided that steps were taken either by carried interest or by taxation to secure the Government 'take'. Undoubtedly this would banish any anxieties the Government might have had about its budgetary position or its balance of payments. The country would tend to be in chronic surplus to a quite embarrassing degree and its currency would become the hardest in Europe with the exception perhaps of the Norwegian kroner. Just as deposed monarchs and African leaders have in the past used the Swiss franc as a haven of security, as now would the Scottish pound be seen as a good hedge against inflation and devaluation and the Scottish banks could expect to find themselves inundated with speculative inflow of foreign funds.

If anyone needs me I'm going to be outside screaming at traffic for the next few days.


 No.1859171

File: 1c84cefdf280909⋯.png (622.23 KB, 931x667, 931:667, 66ef0a63ba739ba1c74acdb9aa….png)

>>1859112

Oh we do, he was just wrong about the sect: it's not the trots you have to worry about….


 No.1859201

File: 099ba71fe866793⋯.jpg (143.82 KB, 500x500, 1:1, cutedevil.jpg)


 No.1863885

File: 5bb118a420fa46a⋯.jpg (41.86 KB, 468x286, 18:11, article-1356970-00ECF21300….jpg)

File: 7d380b9d61fe82d⋯.jpeg (38.12 KB, 220x333, 220:333, 382754_220w.jpeg)

>Jim said he finds it impossible to identify with Blair: 'He is simply not one of us.'


 No.1863957

File: 14aa4bb6181304a⋯.jpg (66.45 KB, 400x396, 100:99, ub40.jpg)

>>1856555

kek and UB40 is a literal benefit sheet


 No.1864271

File: c958498824dd149⋯.jpg (553.16 KB, 1069x1839, 1069:1839, 2017-07-14 17.42.59.jpg)


 No.1864295

File: 5ed95ba447535d0⋯.jpg (22.88 KB, 306x393, 102:131, faceofvictory.jpg)

>>1864271

>mfw only 5% of tory voters voted because of May


 No.1864327

File: 91bfef760ff7674⋯.jpg (64.27 KB, 1024x942, 512:471, DEsJd5YXsAERdhr.jpg)

File: a5d240accd25d4c⋯.jpg (67.98 KB, 1024x1002, 512:501, DEsJepIXkAAS11S.jpg)

>>1864271

>>1864295

Here are the full graphs


 No.1864358

>>1863957

They endorsed Corbyn before it was cool too.

https://youtu.be/zP3P9c6kVr0


 No.1864415

>>1864327

>21% voted for the Tory mainly because of Brexit.

Waht?


 No.1864427

>>1856555

Holy shit, I didn't notice how old that was until I saw the Deftones add on the final image.


 No.1864433

>>1864415

Its fairly commonsense really.

Where the 'left' is perceived as liberalism which is what it largely is and thus pro-eu, and the right as anti-eu, those voters who are anti-eu will, even if they despise the tories, vote for them because they will take us out of the eu.


 No.1864438

>>1864415

The tory party was the party of TOPAZ BREXIT, so yeah. However this swung the other way, a lot of people saw labour as the party of "sane brexit", especially in the city, It is perhaps one of the reasons they won areas like Kensington (richest constituency in the country). Also jaguar dave doesn't give a shit about the high taxes because he can afford them, but Labour was actually going to have a brexit deal that is good for them. Don't get me wrong, HQ policy is a hard brexit, just not one of aggression.

But due to the events of recent months, more people know Corbyn is a brexiteer and as such, people won't think he is the quiet remainer, Whether this will be to his benefit or fall remains to be seen.


 No.1864450

>>1864415

Tory voters are mentally retarded


 No.1869014

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/15/brexit-followed-by-corbyn-put-uk-flat-on-back-tony-blair

>“I pay tribute to Jeremy Corbyn’s temperament in the campaign, to the campaign’s mobilisation of younger voters, and to the enthusiasm it generated,” he said. “His supporters shouldn’t exaggerate it; but his critics, including me, shouldn’t understate it. He tapped into something real and powerful, as Bernie Sanders has in the USA and left groups have done all over Europe.”

Honestly surprised he'd concede that, qualification-laden though it is.

Still want him in jail though.


 No.1869021


 No.1869043

File: 7d7ab08ec833560⋯.jpg (41.5 KB, 400x400, 1:1, cGCp49nq.jpg)

LADS AMBER FROST IS COMING TO THE UK TO DO SOMETHING WITH MOMENTUM

HOW DO I GET HER TO TOUCH MY COCK WITH HER MOUTH?


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 No.1869597

which MP has the highest power level?


 No.1869724

>>1869043

She truly is an enigma. Her face somehow manages to both look like a mess and oddly charming at the same time.


 No.1869741

>>1869597

Used to be Tony Benn, but either Dennis Skinner or John McDonnell.


 No.1870631

>>1869741

I miss papa tony :'(


 No.1871242

>>1870631

Don't be sad, for he is in red heaven watching us with glee.

In other news, survation poll shows that people want a referendum on the brexit deal.


 No.1874681

>>1871242

Red Heaven sounds like a pretty sweet place.


 No.1874707

we should shut this thread down


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 No.1876757

>>1874707

fuck off wanker


 No.1876999

>>1874707

PERMANENT CAMPAIGN MODE

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Srsly tho, thread's a lil' slow


 No.1877814

Are any of you guys in Momentum/Labour, what is it actually like and are they as left wing as the media paints them?


 No.1877951

File: 31d4254ea74e9ac⋯.jpg (114.3 KB, 1363x1018, 1363:1018, 18836597_374198142982085_1….jpg)

>>1877814

I am, the most left wing ones you'll find that are not Trots/ex-Stalinists are the old Bennite sorts. Unless something big happens most new members don't actually go to meetings.

I'd say if you're a revolutionary you shouldn't put much hope in being able to do anything on your own in Momentum/Labour. I'm in the Socialist Appeal which is an actual revsoc organisation in Labour (Militant 2.0). I'd recommend checking them out, joining their branch and from there working in Momentum/Labour. I've been really impressed with them so far.

It does sound like a generic Trot org so here's main differences with others that I found:

-Emphasis on theoretical education (Building quality cadres as a necessary step)

-Predominantly youth based. A CPGB guy said "You can tell they're from the Socialist Appeal, they're well spoken and they're attractive".

- Non-Sectarian

- It's starting to grow really fast now (especially through the MSF)

Srsly, been orbiting arond some small parties, labour reformism etc but I'm so glad I came across them since what i'm doing actually makes sense now.


 No.1877965

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/18/labour-mps-urge-party-to-do-more-to-appeal-to-the-english

fucking saw this coming from a mile away.

As a pro-independence Scot, I think this is fucking great for us (increases tension in the union) and great for Labour (the path to socialism lies through England). Shame for minority voters though, Englishness is inherently reactionary and Labour are gonna sideline them now.


 No.1878050

File: 3f996d0b802f810⋯.png (359.75 KB, 720x450, 8:5, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.1878194

>>1877814

Just a labour member here, in toryshire. Really interesting, most people came onboard because of Corbyn, most seem to be 'middle class'' but also members of the salariat. Some of them are pretty lefty, and my local Cllr was going on about socialising utilities and shit. Interesting age mix, while I was 100% the youngest there most people were 30-50. Not that many women tbh, 4 out of the 30 of us. Couple of (hindustani) Asians, to be expected from the area I live. So yeah, most people actually knew what socialism was though (social ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange): so there is hope.


 No.1878302

>>1878194

Yeah we shouldn't expect them to come to revolutionary socialism quick, but the fact that they're rallying behind a borderline centrist (as in, revolutionary in slogans, reformist in practise) leadership is a good sign. Historically the masses always tested out left reformism before revolutionary socialism.


 No.1878491

>>1877965

we should be more concerned who will pick up those disenfranchised minority votes (blairities ect.)


 No.1878512

>>1877951

I will check them out

>>1878194

I live in a studentish area so I would guess there will be a lot more young people. Interesting to see how many people still turn up now the election is over.


 No.1878716

File: f78433a4e190022⋯.png (92.44 KB, 277x278, 277:278, feelsniceman.PNG)

>>1877951

>fellow IMTfag

feels good man


 No.1878854

>>1878716

yes bruv, what section you in?


 No.1878962

>>1877951

>>1878854

>>1878716

I'm going to uni in September and they have a local IMT branch, is it worth joining?


 No.1878999

>>1878962

Also interested.


 No.1879083

File: bb9f020af1a8f0b⋯.png (1.84 MB, 1334x750, 667:375, IMG_3592.PNG)

File: f93e368135090aa⋯.png (1.38 MB, 1334x750, 667:375, IMG_3594.PNG)

File: 37b916040e49b40⋯.png (351.09 KB, 1334x750, 667:375, IMG_3595.PNG)

I gotta say you brits are a horny bunch

>Jizza Cwoarbyn

https://spankbang.com/1dqyf/video/does+anyone+have+the+rest+rmhb


 No.1879093

File: 5e04002c4507ce7⋯.jpg (55.21 KB, 434x649, 434:649, 18920578_377836602618239_4….jpg)

>>1878962

>>1878999

ive personally been in contact with tankies, small trot parties, and reformists because I wanted to do something. none of them knew what they were doing and none of their ideas really made sense. I came across a local Marxist Society by accident and then I joined the IMT which was one of the best decisions ive ever done.

You`ll start learning a lot of shit on how to do actual organising, A LOT of theory (sounds scary but they`ll make it easy plus you`ll get so much clarity and a sense of foresight. It's a necessity that's often really overlooked). Even when chatting with normies you start to get a lot more "you just talk so much sense" sort of replies and so many more people getting redpilled and wanting to join.

National events are incredible. The general idea of how the organisation works is to bring you to the level of an officer rather than a private, you end up bettering yourself as a revolutionary - basically building cadres. I remember 2 months after joining I said I learned and did more than I did with another group I was with for 2 years.

The fact that it`s not full of old weirdos but actual young people means you`ll make friends with a lot of great comrades too.

There's a massive revamp coming for this autumn considering our growth, like t-shirts, social media, banners, etc. We're getting directives, help and advice on how and what to do to best grow our branches, how to intervene in the Labour Party/Momentum/NUS etc and it works really well. That also links with them being really non-sectarian and faced towards the real movements of the working class.

I'm obviously biased, but I ended up dedicating to them for a reason, so there's that.

Which unis you going to?


 No.1879100

>>1879083

Top kek, please find that title card in HD.


 No.1879110

>>1879093

Holy shit that sounds awesome


 No.1879116

File: 7b97ed3e2b4d72c⋯.jpg (139.21 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, SDP Liberal Alliance And K….jpg)

avant garde


 No.1879117

File: 568d0c472c86785⋯.jpg (89.24 KB, 452x716, 113:179, dangeroussituation.jpg)

File: 78fd234af9294a3⋯.jpg (61.02 KB, 540x390, 18:13, scout.jpg)

File: 2ec5781079d3f2d⋯.jpg (18.52 KB, 255x247, 255:247, jej.jpg)

>>1879083

What the fug?


 No.1879128

>>1879093

>Which uni

Depends tbh, I'll hopefully be going to Leeds depending on my results, but I might end up going anywhere that will take me. Possible Uni of Essex or Dundee.


 No.1879130

>>1879110

Aye, it really is. Hopefully I'll see you at this! https://www.facebook.com/events/609838102552427/


 No.1879145

>>1879128

Leeds have a really good branch, dont know anyone from Essex or Dundee but there's stuff going on there too I think.


 No.1879151

>>1878512

Well a lot were mobilised by the election: I mean I joined because of it (I meant to do so after Corbyn became leader but got cold feet). The party is in PERMANENT CAMPAIGN mode so there is a lot of inertia being turned into further forward momentum (honhonhon). I am going to uni in the autumn so not sure what will happen but I have high hopes.

>>1879093

That sounds utterly dank, ngl not much of a theory head but still.

>Which uni

Anything in Exeter?


 No.1879152

>>1879093

Are any of the teaching materials online? I would love to read some


 No.1879180

>>1879151

Im in Exeter there's a student socialist society which is pretty open, they sometimes have pretty good people in to do lectures but that seems about it. I dont know about IMT and stuff like that though I wouldn't mind having a look at it


 No.1879192

>>1879151

Nothing in Exeter unfortunately, but I think we have comrades in Plymouth and Taunton. You can always get in touch on the website and try and create a branch/society, you'd get lots of help on that.

Sounds like effort but it is rewarding. Our branch was started by a single 17 year old in 2014 and is currently the biggest revolutionary group in the city with strong influence in Labour.

>>1879180

>Im in Exeter there's a student socialist society which is pretty open,

There was a similar one in Reading which ended up joining the MSF. Overall I'd recommend joining the SocStu first but linking up with the MSF/IMT would probably help the society out a lot in terms of people, getting materials and most importantly doing coordinated work.

>>1879152

Aye, on Marxist Student Federation facebook page we're currently doing these short theory videos. Other than that, we've got this:

https://www.socialist.net/educate-yourself.htm

and our youtube channel with really good talks:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo_Moc4DU_WbHpA3q5SKoSQ

Most of the education, however, takes place collectively as a branch and whilst building it. That way it's a lot more effective.


 No.1879372

>>1879192

MSF/IMT need some good 30 second to 2 minute long videos explaining the rudimentary basics. As good as the videos on that YT channel are, they're all around 20+ minutes long, and most people don't have the time or effort for something they may not even be sure they agree with.


 No.1879374

>>1879372

>>1879192

Also the tactic of short but sweet videos/clips seems to be working well for Momentum on Twitter and Facebook, which is something to bare in mind


 No.1879378

>>1879374

We've got these Myths of Marxism videos coming out every thursday on our page actually:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/marxiststudent/videos/?ref=page_internal


 No.1880855

>>1879378

Thats cool bro, but do you have any mirrors that arent on commons owned by capitalists?

This is supposed to be an anon board


 No.1881057

File: 891b0a820762774⋯.png (31.52 KB, 766x174, 383:87, 19391286-0-Momentum---whit….png)

http://www.yourlabourconference.co.uk/

>You can now vote for your representatives on Labour’s CAC (Conference Arrangements Committee). The CAC decides how conference is run and what is debated. They have the power to make sure Jeremy’s general election manifesto is built on, that the focus remains on the Labour leadership's successful agenda and that conference discusses the key issues determining Labour’s future.

This is currently going on, and these are Momentum's candidates. I hope you guys have supported them.

I haven't managed to spend much time here recently but I'm one of the guys who have run for district council and lost.


 No.1881059

File: 3f46a2a61273449⋯.png (45.63 KB, 723x366, 241:122, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 96338cad8b56151⋯.png (20.54 KB, 661x179, 661:179, ClipboardImage.png)

God I am starting to get very fucking salty over the liberals and their fucking brexit whining. There isn't a single article that can be posted without a handful of them crying their eyes out.

>grenfell happened while we were in the EU

>but we're going to leave the EU

>brexit caused grenfell


 No.1881075

>>1881059

The europhiles are the greatest cancer on british politics right now, they push the north in particular to the right and make sure to subvert and derail every effort of the labour left to make headway.

The worst part is that its all because of this pernicious delusion people have that the EU is so wonderfully "progressive" and cosmopolitan which appeals to all the urban liberals who shudder in fear at the very thought of the dirty, intolerant british public which doesn't go the artisanal cereal bars. EU support is never really about 'the economic impact of brexit', liberals don't give a shit about that, its all about virtue signalling about how we're lesser if not attached to the EU.


 No.1881104

File: bdc3cfe57038cd9⋯.jpg (161.32 KB, 800x1182, 400:591, the truth.jpg)

>>1881059

It's unlikely the Tories are even going to push through Brexit it's far to risky to investors or stockholders of whom they exist to serve. We will be in the EU in all but name before we were half in and half out and we shall soon be half out and half in.


 No.1881411

>>1881059

>>1881104

Why are your fellow Bongs so mad about this? I understand the porkies being scared of new taxes and leaving the common customs. But as far as I can see, the sole reason liberals are whining is muh globalism. Is this right or what? During that fateful election day, they wouldn't fucking shut up about racism, and I found it bizarre because getting out of the EU would cut down on immigration from other white countries. (Yeah I know this concept of whiteness is Burger, but it has taken root in Bongistan, as far as I know, right?) Are they just that spooked?

>>1881104

A while ago, Comrade Corbyn purged some frontbenchers who voted in favor of soft Brexit instead of abstaining. It's possible he's just hiding his power level and will negotiate for a soft Brexit anyway, but odds are on going hard.


 No.1881458

>>1881057

Heh, they were legit the two I were going to vote for anyways.


 No.1881473

>>1881411

They'll just cut more, sell off more public shit or raise taxes on the poor. Taxes on porky are off the table under the tories.


 No.1881551

>>1881411

I mean, it's not entirely untrue that there are a substantial section of thick fucks who blame the EU for nonwhite mass immigration, for whom there is a very strong case that they are racists.

I would tepidly make two suggestions:

The symbolic value of the EU to liberals is large. It's not just globalism, it's Britain as a modern co-operative country "Punching above it's weight*" inside a global institution instead of being a closed little racist island punching above it's weight.* Despite the generally recognized advantages of withdrawal on the left (and until the 80s/90s, the vast majority of Anti-EEC feeling coming from the far left.) the modern anti-EU movement was predominantly of the right-wing. One look at newspaper positions versus circulation should be sufficient to make that point.

The second is that withdrawal from the EU - like Trump - shouldn't have happened, that is to say it shakes the foundations of the present reality, like Corbyn forcing a stalemate despite not being "centrist" enough. On the left (and indeed on the right) there's a general ability to deal with disappointment if it's expected - everyone knew John Major would get BTFO in 1997 and even Brown's 2010 loss was relatively expected (though the Lib-Dems jumping into bed with the Tories wasn't quite.), but when something like that comes out of the blue it can be psychologically shattering, like Kinnock losing 1992. (Or on a personal antidepressive note, Corbyn forcing a stalemate.) - Liberals were not prepared to contemplate that this was a contest with risk. All the "rational indicators" that it should have failed if you read them through this lens. (A bit like people overestimating Miliband's chances in 2015.) So there was no psychological preparation.

Finally on the Scottish dimension there's a whole bunch of other shit but basically it's 95% just a shoehorn for independence. (Although I'm mildly concerned that the SNP may be less cynical on this topic than I am, which doesn't bode well given that - if the neoliberal boat sinks - it might take their best-we've-yet-had-in-government social-neoliberalism with it, and in turn independence.)


 No.1884922

http://archive.is/zB636

Labor's giving more power to elect non-establishment candidates in Tory marginals. I think the establishment is trying to play 17 dimensional candyland, setting up a bunch of radicals to fail in the next election because they assume only right wingers can beat tories, but if that's what they think, they're wrong.


 No.1884955

I'm starting to think Tony Blair was actually creepier when young.


 No.1887368

The summer blitz started today, things should be interesting.


 No.1887399

>>1586156

Why are we British so fucking awful? I wish I was Russian, Spanish or French. I'm sick of pseudo-rational muh empiricism bullshit.


 No.1887428

File: b5602f67c1ada73⋯.pdf (871.23 KB, Michael_Gardiner_auth._Tim….pdf)

>>1887399

It feels rather hard to comprehend at times (Along sort of Mark Fisher lines) but I like the gist of this thing and it seems to operate well alongside that The European article about Englishness in a world without empire.

Britain (and in particular England) have an identity essentially built on being the neutral and the default, and perhaps also the timeless. This is why we can't recognize ourselves as ideological people, can't have a written constitution that would provide temporal grounding, and so on.

I can't carry the argument very well personally but it's an interesting one.


 No.1888639

File: 5804ad86e9551fe⋯.png (1.46 MB, 1050x936, 175:156, You're Next 1.png)

File: 047db4c25a0a07b⋯.png (1.45 MB, 1050x936, 175:156, You're Next 2.png)

got bored


 No.1888724

File: dfd9f77b82a7c66⋯.jpg (262.14 KB, 1100x782, 550:391, corbyn train.jpg)

found a thing


 No.1889366

>>1888724

is this an original ben garrison piece?


 No.1890124

>Jeremy Corbyn says fox hunting is ‘barbarity’ and pledges to keep it banned

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/fox-hunting-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-ban-hunting-act-repeal-free-vote-general-election-2017-a7767466.html

wtf? i love labour now


 No.1890264

>>1890124

I still remain perplexed by my own opposition to fox hunting. (It's not on animal rights grounds, I don't think it's on class grounds, and the fact nearly everyone in favour is a bit of a cunt would appear to be something I've only noticed ex-post-facto…)

Do get a fuzzy feeling remembering that Blair probably has more regret over the ban than he does over the Iraq war.


 No.1890279

File: 95c382289462135⋯.jpg (73.07 KB, 800x600, 4:3, 1481934132310.jpg)

>>1890264

>I still remain perplexed by my own opposition to fox hunting. (It's not on animal rights grounds, I don't think it's on class grounds


 No.1890280

>>1888639

>Socdems

>Kicking out blair

Why would you kick out one of your own?


 No.1890286

>>1890280

>Thinking Blair is Socdem

What planet do you live on


 No.1890290

File: 966c5d0349e3b1a⋯.pdf (642.72 KB, Will_Leggett_auth._After_N….pdf)

>>1890279

Fun fact: It was Peter Hitchens who made me change "everyone in favour is a cunt" to "is a bit of a cunt."

>>1890280

Blair wasn't a SocDem. PDF related if you're bored.


 No.1890295

>>1890290

>Fun fact: It was Peter Hitchens who made me change "everyone in favour is a cunt" to "is a bit of a cunt."

I was just meming, I didn't know there was any sort of remotely-rational argument for keeping fox hunting beyond "there's nothing wrong with a little animal abuse as long as its the upper classes doing it, lad"


 No.1890369

File: d78a3294952a704⋯.mp4 (4.98 MB, 640x360, 16:9, 888708806892544000_8887088….mp4)


 No.1891407

File: 96283d1ef33474e⋯.png (30.14 KB, 214x185, 214:185, ClipboardImage.png)

This is getting a little bit pathetic, he has someone's daughter to raise!


 No.1891443

File: bc76997a50b8c7d⋯.jpg (7.05 KB, 225x225, 1:1, apu.jpg)

>>1891407

The main argument in the video that I understand is that "women shouldn't get paid the same or more just because they happen to be women" ok there you go I summed that up in around 15 words and yet Sargons video is bordering on half a fucking hour long. This is apporaching Molyneux levels of repetitiveness.


 No.1893882

>>1891407

Ironically enough the BBC is run by ex-Conservative politicians, donors and activists so I guess the "liberal bias" must be some kind of 5D hungry hungry hippos on their part.


 No.1893885

>>1891407

Why aren't you using youtube+ to blacklist alt-right videos? My recommended videos section has never looked better and I'm never wasting my time or giving ad revenue to these reactionary picks.


 No.1894174

>>1893885

Why are you giving ad revenue to anyone on youtube? Advertising is one of the worst cancers of capitalism.


 No.1894177

>>1893882

Ironically the BBC do have a "liberal bias" in the American sense of "liberal". They are pro-capitalism, pro-government, and pro-idpol.


 No.1894256

>>1894174

I never said I browsed the Internet without an ad block, but a lot of guys here do still for some reason.


 No.1894547

>>1894256

Depriving them of ad views and tracking information is good, but you still give them a page hit, which counts for audience. Which also rewards the video uploader.


 No.1894661

THIS THREAD HAS BEEN CLAIMED BY THE SOCDEM GANG


 No.1894849

File: 5d39f7c03d52f41⋯.jpg (41.51 KB, 720x540, 4:3, corbyn lenin portrait.jpg)

>>1894661

Oh like hell it is.


 No.1894852

>>1894547

You don't get paid for views, but ads viewed. Views can help you get more prominence, but in the grand scheme of things 1 adblocked view is shit.


 No.1894905

File: 14e0f0834e623d8⋯.png (1.23 MB, 755x707, 755:707, SDP Corbyn.png)

File: 5c3312ed76784e0⋯.jpg (124.8 KB, 782x516, 391:258, _45602955_782a2.jpg)

File: 6b4ea8f1002243a⋯.jpg (113.12 KB, 634x459, 634:459, 0000BFA100000CB2-3803168-i….jpg)

>>1894849

SDP GANG (of 3.)


 No.1897126

Dostoevsky's on Countdown.


 No.1898035

File: d3b925f3e85772e⋯.jpg (90.27 KB, 600x404, 150:101, labour-pledge-card.jpg)

File: 92dd0e07685af57⋯.jpg (207.57 KB, 512x652, 128:163, 2001oldpledgecard512.jpg)

File: 9cdd77122c64f52⋯.jpg (20.24 KB, 355x222, 355:222, Labour pledge card 2005.JPG)

File: 3caf7af486ce925⋯.png (252.04 KB, 736x436, 184:109, labour-pledge-card-2015.png)

still get mind-splittingly angry at the last two pledge cards

Neither actually make pledges, the 1997 pledge card - for all it's shitty lukewarm promises, the 2001 pledge card - despite including the "As we paint a hospital NOT strangle a puppy like Heseltine" dickheadery - made pledges. (Although that X NOT Y thing is just as excruciating. Whoever was responsible for that needs 1000 years gulag.)


 No.1898099

File: 49a324a4baf3e8b⋯.png (96.77 KB, 714x573, 238:191, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.1898165

File: 5ec9d3a99f45908⋯.jpg (32.17 KB, 715x446, 715:446, sub-buzz-7110-1500653008-7….jpg)


 No.1898168

>>1898165

Serves him right, as we've already proven leftists are vile and hateful people.


 No.1899873

>>1898099

Why is it considered wrong to hate your political opponents? Especially the leaders and stuff. I can understand still getting along with other ordinary people with different political beliefs up to a certain point but still. Has this always been the case because it feels like a recent thing.


 No.1899936

File: 4f36306848a317d⋯.png (228.88 KB, 734x1110, 367:555, 1500298300417.png)

Is it just me or am I seeing more dislike for Corbyn around places like Reddit? Used to be quite pro-Corbyn until these two things in the past week or so:

- tuition fees/debt thing

- comments about immigration (and relation to brexit)

What's going on?


 No.1899948

>>1899873

The Discourse. my friend. the idea that at the end of the day we all want the same thing (technocratic liberalism) and if we could just respect each other hard enough we can reach across the aisle and achive it throught compromise.


 No.1899977

>>1899936

It depends on what places. Subs like r/politics or r/news etc are completely overrun with bots and the Chair Force's shitposting battalion.

I wouldn't doubt that they've been ordered to shift their attention from libeling Bernie to try and stamp out any embers of support for Corbyn too


 No.1900054

>>1898099

Wait if this is calculated by percentage? Then

>highest number of tory males and candidates in Commons

>highest amount of abuse

If anything the disproportion is UKIP then Tory


 No.1900476

Good post by Craig Murray if it ain't posted already

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/07/beware-bewildered-blairites/


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 No.1900827

>>1900607

I'm going to say no, at least not in the short-mid term. Maybe in the longish term something desirable could arise, but the best way to do it would (amusingly) be to drop the pretence at independence and make it an explicit branch office. Good governance is better than self governance…

Though I'm more-than-slightly miffed at the move to campaigning in SNP seats, since SNP seats have little to no impact on the practical mathematics of minority governance while Tory gains are the reason we're not sitting with a Labour government right now. I'll tell myself that "Scottish Labour put him up to this", but only because I want to assume good faith.

I mean, lines like

"The only way to remove the Conservatives from Downing Street, and have a government that works for the many, not the few, is to back Labour in Scotland."

Are simply not materially true. The only way to remove the Conservatives from downing street is to find any combination of 323-odd MPs who want someone else there. It's blinding that Labour can run on this line when the first Labour government was only the (distant) second largest party in the commons.

Cheering up time:

>Damian McBride recalls in his memoirs that in the 2002 reshuffle "Tony forgot Home Office minister Angela Eagle existed, gave someone else her job and effectively sacked her from the Government by mistake – and without informing her."


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 No.1901753

>>1901713

What a den of communists, decrying the social order like that!


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 No.1906315

https://vimeo.com/227094885

pretty anti-climatic video but at least they kicked em out


 No.1907288

File: f01dd124c22953e⋯.mp4 (915.66 KB, 480x480, 1:1, laughing fox.mp4)

File: 6e6e84ae0c3e0a2⋯.pdf (1.47 MB, Project_Fear_-_Joe_Pike.pdf)

While Dalgety’s desk radiated neatness and order, McTernan, a Chelsea fan, plastered his office walls with photos of the club’s players celebrating goals, with Tony Blair’s head photoshopped onto them.

HOWLING

While irritating to run back over the painful parts of the referendum (including just seeing the phrase "No Thanks"), highly recommend pdf related. (It's even <200 pages!)

Though it does give the worrying sense that any second referendum may have trouble if the Tories were to take the lead, since a lot of the incompetence seems rooted in Scottish Labour and their chronic infighting and disorganisation. Whether such trouble would be mitigated by the optics of "Vote No: Vote Conservative." would be interesting to see.


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 No.1907536

File: f2edf567a6c10d2⋯.jpg (108.26 KB, 1024x779, 1024:779, 1450997286092.jpg)

>>1907498

>Published on 9 May 2017

CREASING


 No.1907614

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40747241

Pretty interesting if they actually do go ahead with it. It will probably lead to more anger against the Tory's in the process


 No.1908087

>>1829682

sad thing is charlie gard is now actively memed by the right wing, because some putz in the us claimed he can treat his illnessin a private practice but the ebin ebil "socialized medicine" in england would not let him work his magic tricks.

>this is why single payer is bad, proles!


 No.1909660

>>1829682

Its seems like another case of parents thinking they know more than doctors.


 No.1910109

>>1909660

Happens all the time. It's pretty much the ultimate feels > reals case. Even though this child is basically a breathing vegetable the parents will do anything to keep him longer even if it means months of pain for this dying child just because some bloke in America said he can fix it even though there is no proof he can do a thing.


 No.1910196

>>1910109

its just sad it happens to often, and it always seems to be "some guy in America" willing to sell some "miracle" cure


 No.1910451

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/charlie-gard-dies-after-life-10872550

Charlie Gard has died: Parents say 'our beautiful little boy has gone' after his life support was turned off

Thank fuck for tha-

<Charlie's dad Chris said: "Put simply, this is about a sweet, gorgeous, innocent little boy who was born with a rare disease who had a real, genuine chance at life and a family who loved him so very dearly - and that's why we fought so hard for him.

<"We are so sorry that we couldn't save you.

Oh boy here we go again.


 No.1910539

File: e5a6bb39a88753a⋯.jpg (19.83 KB, 620x465, 4:3, vampirewelfareman.jpg)

>>1898035

>get 250,000 NEETS off benefits and into work

Exactly the same fucking way as this cunt


 No.1910600

>>1910539

Off benefits and """"""""into work""""""""




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