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File: 3073f19ae5b444b⋯.png (66.36 KB, 542x411, 542:411, 1494214035469.png)

 No.1684892

 No.1684894

🍀🍀🍀Economic freedom🍀🍀🍀


 No.1684898

Surely even communist countries should be performing better than this guys….


 No.1684905

File: 472b6c0ac3c604f⋯.jpg (38.6 KB, 360x235, 72:47, HongKongCageHousing.jpg)

>muh GDP


 No.1684908

>>1684905

>muh underperforming countries

Give me a reason why communist countries are performing so poorly


 No.1684911

>>1684908

>>1684905

In reference to GDP*


 No.1684916

>>1684908

>communist countries

Can't give a reason for something that doesn't even exist.


 No.1684923

File: 471b1b8304ccf86⋯.jpg (88.87 KB, 1200x1200, 1:1, hdi.jpg)

small government BTFO


 No.1684927

>>1684916

Nice shifting the goal posts

Fine, why are countries with less economic freedom doing better than ones with tighter restrictions (similar to communism)?


 No.1684933

Somalia had greater economic freedom than Zimbabwe and a lower GDP per capita


 No.1684934

>>1684905

>Cherrypicked image of chinese immigrants to Hong Kong

OMG see how bad cappitalism is


 No.1684938

>>1684933

Someone needs to create a nigger index


 No.1684940

Wtf I love capitalism now


 No.1684941

Okay let's face it. Capitalism is infinitely a better system than communism.


 No.1684943

>>1684933

As an average, it would appear the tighter the restrictions, the worse an economy does.

>>1684940

>>1684941

We're learning


 No.1684944

>>1684908

Most of the world is "underperforming" retard. If you'd ever been to a Third World country you'd know they typically have less regulations and more "market freedom" then America but their still poor as fuck wonder why 🤔


 No.1684945

>>1684892

Lol, the U.A.E. uses literal debt slavery to build their gleaming towers.


 No.1684946

>Economic freedom

Well I'll be damned if that isn't the most objective measurement ever. Or should I say… objectivist?

"Mr president, our freedumbs are quickly approaching 700 gigahayeks!"


 No.1684947

>>1684927

Read a fucking book, communism is not "when the government does stuff" you ulliterate retard. We want the means pf production to be publicly owned, (no, not state ownef you dipshit) and abolish production for exchange, regulating the market does not make a country "more communist" or "closer to communism".


 No.1684948

>>1684927

Doing better to whom exactly?

What difference does it make for the average american to have a bigger gdp than Cuba if he can't even have basic medical treatment or go to college without drowning in debts?

In the end GDP is just an insignificant measure, something like an e-penis that is used by countries to show how good their economy is when in reality it doesn't really mean anything.


 No.1684949

>>1684944

Yeah, most of the world might be underperforming, but the ones with more economic freedom would appear to be better than the ones who who's government are interfering in their economy.


 No.1684954

>>1684947

>means of production to be publicly owned

That seems to be the government interfering in the economy to me you fuck

>>1684948

If the average american has a bigger GDP then it is likely they will be able to afford healthcare, and education, whereas in Cuba they may have healthcare and education but they are less likely to have a wage to pay for food.


 No.1684955

>>1684949

So the conclusion then must be that capitalism cannot be fixed, as trying to fix it by government intervention only makes it worse, and thus it needs to be destroyed?


 No.1684959

>>1684945

Saudi Arabia uses slave labor too, but that's not much of a surprise. Qatar and Bahrain too, right?


 No.1684960

>>1684954

Can you read?

>We want the means pf production to be publicly owned, (no, not state owned you dipshit)

>(no, not state owned you dipshit)

>not state owned

By this I obviously mean controlled by the people, not the state nor capitalists.


 No.1684963

>>1684947

>>1684954

The term is collectively owned. "Publicly" does imply "nationally owned".


 No.1684966

>>1684954

>That seems to be the government interfering in the economy to me you fuck

You really need to read a book, nigger.

There is no state in communism.

>If the average american has a bigger GDP then it is likely they will be able to afford healthcare, and education

And yet, more and more americans seem to be unable to afford shit.


 No.1684969

>>1684892

>Mercatus

So it's okay to accuse people of being Soros shills but if someone posts something from a Koch funded agitprop think-tank then we take it as sincere?

Seriously, two of the largest funders of shills and combat scientists never get attention. Fuck the Kochs.


 No.1684973

>>1684954

If I got a million dollars and you got zero, the average between us is 500 thousand. Averages mean shit. The fact is that more than 50% of americans are not able to afford a surprise medical expence of 5000 dollars without gping into debt, while all norwegians get the same treatment for free if they get injured.


 No.1684974

>>1684955

I disagree, if anything, it shows that small government works, its not perfect but its the best system we have. What we can deduce from this graph however, is that government intervention in the economy most certainly IS harmful to a country.

>>1684960

I do apologize for not making myself clearer.

You are still interfering in the economy am I correct, as it is not allowing "capitalists" to control the means of production. This would still in theory put you at the bottom of the graph.


 No.1684975

>>1684892

Once you get out of third world shitholes that can't afford to enforce meme property rights, the correlation is incredibly weak.

(Also fucking lol at the UAE being equal with the UK and Norway. They have literal fucking slavery right under the noses of the administration and no serious attempt is made to counter it.)


 No.1684978

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>>1684974

>small government works

:^)


 No.1684980

>>1684974

Why is capitalism the "natural" state of things while people control is the "unnatural" one?

Also "a small state" does not fix the problem that fuckers can get rich as shit off other peoples work.


 No.1684982

>>1684960

Under your definition it would be state owned you hypocrite. Just your version of state is so realistically unobtainable that you conveniently forget to mention it, because you need to commit yourself to doublethink just to get your argument across.


 No.1684983

>>1684973

Can I get a source for that average for healthcare?

Again, what use is healthcare if they cannot afford the basic living needs such as food and water? A basic medium must be found.


 No.1684984

>>1684892

Didn't Luxembourg caught laundering 4 billion dollars from North Korea? Rly made me think about what economic freedom entails.


 No.1684985

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>>1684982

>the state is whatever i don't like

the absolute fucking state of you.


 No.1684987

>>1684982

>the workers who work at the factory democratically decide what is to be done at the factory

>somehow this qualifies as a state

I guess walmart is a monarchy as well then?


 No.1684990

>>1684984

Didn't Venezuela just have massive protests were they threw shit at police, because they weren't getting enough food? Really makes me think about what restricting the market would do…


 No.1684991

File: cf059cc9ea778bb⋯.jpg (64.39 KB, 680x479, 680:479, porky1.jpg)

>>1684974

Shooting porky scum isnt perfect but its the best option we have.


 No.1684992

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>>1684983

>A basic medium must be found.

i.e. norway, the example he gave.

but that means big bad gubmint interfering in the perfect fuh-ree muh-arket!

read steve keen.


 No.1684993

>>1684969

>we take it as sincere

I'm taking a guess here but I have the feeling you didn't read the thread.


 No.1684997


 No.1685001

Ok guys, lets allow slavery, we shouldn't restrict the market


 No.1685003

>>1684985

No dipshit, the state would be the "WE" you said earlier

>We want the means of production to be publicly owned

Well you have an X and a Z but you conveniently forget about Y, which in this case would be "WE" forcibly removing the MOP and instead redistributing that system to a public enterprise. That requires a means that carries force, can act out violence, can take wealth against the will of the holder and creates systems to divert assets. That sounds like a state to me.


 No.1685004

>>1685001

You don't have to allow slavery, if more nations were to use the free market, they would impose trade restrictions on countries that were imposing slavery.


 No.1685009

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>>1685003

I said fuck all, you dumb cunt. Unless you're blind and using a text-reader you have no reason not to notice the flag.


 No.1685010

>>1684992

There are always an outliers.

However Norway does pose an interesting country to look at.


 No.1685017

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>>1685004

>muh free market would work if people imposed trade restrictions


 No.1685018

>>1685003

Yes a state is necessary, however I don't see how statistics about states intervening in the economy in compleatly different ways is at all releveant


 No.1685020

>>1684992

Ah, the wonders of deindustrialization. I wonder if their food market is self-sufficient, at least.


 No.1685032


 No.1685037

>>1684990

>this lack of an argument

You can't fathom the fact that the "Left-wing" of capitalism in North Korea (and Venezuela) along with brutal right-wing dictatorships are perfectly integrated into the economically liberal world you fetishize so went straight for memezuela. Sad.

You know the opposition there isn't all right-wing? There's been a left-wing opposition to the PSUV since Chavez was elected but it doesn't get much press in the West. Venezuela is basically a Third World Norway. If there was a communist revolution in Venezuela tmrw the whole West would change their tune and welcome all the ex-PSUV staff responsible for this massive crisis as freedom fighters and "true socialists" with the communists being pure evil


 No.1685041

>>1685032

>be porky

>want to import computer chips from the slave factory in Ruritania

>gubmint says no because slavery is bad

>have to pay greedy workers to manufacture chips instead

>somehow that is acceptable interference in the market, while setting an acceptable level of mercury to dump into the local water supply was rightly recognized as oppressive nanny-state nonsense since people can just move if they don't like their children having 3 eyes.


 No.1685049

>>1685041

Three eyes? That means they have better eyesight than me! Lucky Duckies!


 No.1685050

>>1685004

>free market

>restrictions


 No.1685058

>>1685037

If this is true that the opposition isn't all right wing in memezuela then I feel bad for them. Not saying that right-wing politics are perfect, but they are certainly better than what that country has just been through, and I unfortunately do not believe that another left wing politician could pull venezuela out of its current state, but that is my opinion.


 No.1685061

>>1684978

Do you have any soc dem gang memes?


 No.1685067

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>>1684892

>the second highest rated country is a literal monarchy built on migrant slave labor

That's one more in the win column.


 No.1685074

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>>1685061

only this one


 No.1685077

>>1685067

Considering how the UAE leads on the HDI in the region I don't really see how this is a win. But OK.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/politics/uae-leads-region-on-un-human-development-index


 No.1685081

>>1685003

Statelessness does not preclude organization or governance.


 No.1685102

File: 2b2037190fffe7a⋯.png (76.94 KB, 200x230, 20:23, 26c.png)

>>1684974

literally every single major developed economy in the world was developed through heavy government intervention. This is not even disputed - the UK, USA, France, and especially Japan are all examples of countries that used heavy government intervention for things like infrastructure projects (public sector), tariffs, subsidies and protective legislation for weak industries (textiles in the USA, for example), and imperialist military policies to gain more and more land and resources.

Even the so called "asian tigers" didn't use anything "small government" to develop. Taiwan was highly industrialized under the Japanese using the same intervention they did, South Korea used aggressive export-oriented industrialization policies where they taxed the shit out of imports to help develop comparative advantages against other countries.

Then take a look at countries forced by the WB and IMF to develop using free market liberalism - places like central and south america, africa - pretty much every poorly developed area of the world has gotten nowhere with these policies. Free market principles are just something developed economies like the USA want to impose on other countries in the name of "freedom and democracy" so that they can access their markets better.


 No.1685195

>forcefully trying to interpolate a exponential function in data that doesn't fit it

Also, could it be that there is some historical/social context behind Luxembourg having a high GDP? Something, something, Banking?


 No.1685227

>>1684892

Can I see all those blue squares under the US?


 No.1685569

>>1684892

🍀🍀🍀economic freedom🍀🍀🍀


 No.1685747

>>1685077

>all of this built on the backs of migrant slave labor

You just keep digging that hole of yours.




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