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 No.1685610

Because the Western mainstream media tends to be quite liberal and the centrist and centre-"left" portion of the capitalist establishment is a bit shit it seems plausible to many that the radical right is a threat to the establishment which is justly hated by workers. Because we on the radical Left want to stamp out the Right (in its fascist, religious conservative, and libertarian forms) it seems like some take this to mean that the Right is the real threat to the system.

It can also be hard to argue with worker's who question why the Western capitalists are bringing in more immigrants while cutting wages and imposing austerity. Because the Western capitalists, especially the European ones, are seeking immigrant labor as an answer to 1. unionized workplaces 2. a demographic crises resulting in a "slack" labor market (from their perspective) caused by the very neo-malthusian and anti-worker policies they insisted on in the first place it seems and is often framed as such by the right as main threat or simply the newest threat to worker's well-being.

Rather then repost all the PURE IDEOLOGY that /pol/-tards say I thought it would be more interesting to focus on the Right-Wing of Capital. What it is, what it does, and how it hopes to come to power. It seems we leftists often spend quite a bit of time and attention responding to the late-capitalist spectacle pumped out by the centrist/liberal establishment and less on the Right-Wing of capital. Who is behind it? What are their goals? How does the right-wing media operate? Is it really "alternative"?

Discuss also how supposedly "pro-worker" right-wing electoral blitzes like Trump and Brexit will harm workers? Who benefited?

Is there a "vast-right-wing conspiracy" to turn society further to the right. What's interesting to me is how the modern Right portrays itself as anti-establishment while making itself into a parody of the 19th/early 20th century bourgeoisie. It misleads by making out its opponents all out to be leftists and casts porky as the victim of all the changes in the past. Essentially, it seems to me (other then the far-right "anti-capitalist" fascist portion) that its Porky hiding behind the Porky mask.

 No.1685622

FUCKING VLADIMIR PUTIN!


 No.1685625

nah, the clever bourgies (gates, soros, musk) mostly support left-liberal policies; privatization, deregulation and tax evasion with a rainbow flag


 No.1685640

>MUH RIGHT

You mean moderates. Fox news is moderate. There is no right, because if they allowed right leaning opinions, then they couldn't import Taco Juarez and Chinky Chao to devalue labor, all while simultaneously exporting jobs to kill manufacturing, and hiring only those with political power to their companies.

>Because we on the radical Left want to stamp out the Right (in its fascist, religious conservative, and libertarian forms)

Lol I never understood why some of you hate libertarians, they're the quintessential, "leave me the fuck alone" guys. You'll never get rid of them, and they're not a threat. Its like waging war on grass.


 No.1685644

>>1685640

spotted a libertarian


 No.1685645

>>1685625

You realize the economic center has shifted to the right over the past 40 years? Hayek was laughed at as a far-right lunatic in the 60s but now "socially progressive and fiscally conservative" capitalists cite him as an unashamedly as an authority.


 No.1685649

>>1685640

Yeah, it's evil foreigners 'devaluing labor' and not the corporations that employ them or create literal slave labor in the form of for profit prisons that do it.


 No.1685650

>>1685645

Neo-liberalism works in fun ways, how it mixes various kinds of shit from both left and right and creates this unique sort of a mixed shit.


 No.1685656

>>1685644

Libertarians are stupid because they weaken themselves by being solitary. No I'm not a libertarian.

>>1685649

Reading comprehension. No, its not the foreigners, its U.S. based companies shaking hands with the right people in the congress to protect corporate interests above the interests of the voters. The point being, capitalism must be confined within borders, otherwise the rich can get away with not paying their dues to the under class, and the idea of circulating wealth crumbles.


 No.1685660

Porky controls both Left-wing and Right-wing capital, and it is this that people seem to not understand. The ruling class has had centuries to perfect this game of creating a problem and selling the solution and it has gotten very, very good at it. The solution can be open/closed borders, idpol/anti-idpol, etc,.

There is absolutely nothing "alternative" to news sites like Breitbart, InfoWars, and the like because they trade in one set of biases for another. 90% of their current appeal is based on being contrarian and little else. "We'll tell you the FULL story!" Yeah, for now. Once right-wing news becomes as normalized as lefty news it'll be the same lies by omission and other bullshit. They can't do that right now because their credibility is still being established, but wait, you'll see.

"Alternative" news sites have no interest in being such, otherwise they wouldn't be adopting and cultivating a snarky, edgy, anti-establishment image. For example, wait until these prominent anti-feminists get their first major break on some talk show or book deal. The nature of capital, which they don't understand, will wrest any and all authenticity from out of their souls and they become the typical "Well, I guess it's not THAT bad" type Liberal.

Tl;Dr it's all controlled opposition and money-making schemes.


 No.1685672

Got pdfs for those books?


 No.1685679

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>>1685656

>capitalism must be confined within borders

When did that ever happen? Even when the US was "literally the most protected economy in the world" during the 19th century to use the words Ha-Joon Chang it was trading all over the world and getting in on some quite profitable action in the Opium trade, the illicit slave trade, and the imperialist actions of early multi-nationals like United Fruit. Britain also allowed America a bit more laterality in trading with its colonies in return for America not restricting its capital-inflow into the US too much. Those who support protection often just think its a matter of protecting this or that industry when capital inflow and outflow is much harder to stop and is quite superior to both labor-mobility and trade policy in its effect.

Kinda funny that Australia belonged to the free-market Brit Empire and had higher wages then America. Almost as if the expected/historical living standard and militancy of the working class determines the average wages and not this or that policy prescription.

>otherwise the rich can get away with not paying their dues to the under class,

Protectionist America was quite shit when it came to paying its dues to the underclass. So was Not-Soc Germany and Fascist Italy and they all followed the "Nationalist and a Globalist" strategy of Trump in practice No, I'm not saying Trump is literally Hitler which translates into imperialism with more restricted trade policy and border control.


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 No.1685718

>>1685679

>Protectionist America was quite shit

Protectionist America was the height of Cronyism and corruption in America. Not only that, it was the middle of an industrial boom, so of course worker wages were in the shitter. Also, even in protectionist America, there were still thousands of immigrants let in legally and illegally for man power. You can't call that 'protectionist' at all.

>When did that ever happen?

Hardly ever, because there isn't any political system which exists in a pure form. Not globalizing puts a country in a weak position. To put in a different way, capitalism allowed outside the borders will begin to quickly effect domestic enterprises adversely. This translates to less money for the little guys. Sometimes, it is worth it for the total wealth of a country to offset that adverse effect with social programs, and accept the benefits that allowing offshore enterprises brings. However, the extent of globalism today has allowed the top to thrive off the money of the nation, without spending in turn for the good of the nation. Its worth more to line a congress man's pockets for a policy, than to line an american producer's pockets for a product.


 No.1685725

>>1685625

>This

The last thing they want is their cheap migrant workers getting the rope.


 No.1685755

>>1685718

I think that's why fascism and Nazi were called bourgeoise petite ideologies, since they, and other economically protectionist ideas, are based on small bourgeous and middle class interests of not losing their positions to lower paid labor and big bourgeous that profits from them.

Basically this is what all the right wing based on - small and medium bourgeouse, not big enough to rip the fruits of the international labor.

The point of Trump focusing on "creating jobs" - to please the businesses that are reliant on local production and would be out of jobs with cheaper overseas competition.

I mean I don't know many other big moneys outside of Trump who support such right wing policies and even then he doesn't profit from it directly.


 No.1685776

>>1685625

Who would have thought that onr day we would have Capitalism under a rainbow banner?


 No.1685781

>>1685776

Adam Smith for one:

>'There is a flipside to this tradition of seeing sodomy as the enemy of the natural economy of the household: The counter-tradition of liberal economics founded by Adam Smith challenged the household model by seeing economics as rooted in the free trade of goods between households and nations. Precisely because Smith was more receptive to previously condemned or taboo economic activities like trade and manufacturing, he was also more open to sexual liberalism.

>Smith’s friend Alexander Dalrymple is now thought to have written an anonymous tract, Thoughts of an Old Man (1800), recalling that the founder of modern economics believed that “sodomy was a thing in itself indifferent”—a radical thing to say even in private at a time when sodomy was a capital offence, condemned by church and state. Interestingly, Smith was more reluctant to challenge the traditional prejudice against usury, although his students would conclude that the normalization of usury was the rational outcome of Smithian economics.


 No.1686021

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 No.1686364

At least in the US, the right wing of capital tends to be more religious, nationalist, and tied in with the defense establishment. The right-wing of capital also has a huge alternative media arm that churns out conspiracies about the liberal wing of capital, see: muh CFR, Trilateral Commisson, and so on. For example, Alex Jones' father was literally a CIA dentist and he openly plugs the John Birch Society on his show. Alex himself is probably some kind of intelligence asset.

Left out of this narrative is that the right-wing of capital has its own equivalents of these groups that can be more nefarious and better hidden. Look into groups like the American Security Council, Center for National Policy, World Anticommunist League, Le Cercle (lots of pedo involvement in this one), and the like. There are also religious nutcase organizations with tons of power in Washington like the Family/Fellowship. Many of Trump's people have backgrounds connected to the CNP in particular.


 No.1686378

>>1686364

I forgot to add that this really started to coalesce after WW2, and that there are/were a ton of Nazi sympathizers/collaborators involved.


 No.1686381

>>1685640

>Lol I never understood why some of you hate libertarians, they're the quintessential, "leave me the fuck alone" guys. You'll never get rid of them, and they're not a threat. Its like waging war on grass.

The only difference between a libertarian and a fascist is that the libertarians don't feel like they need the help of the state in order to lord over everyone else.

That's it. Otherwise, both ideologies are dedicated tirelessly to the supremacy of property over humanity.


 No.1686491

an someone show me where -How does the right-wing media operate?-

actually exists, where is quote/endquote right wing media.

FYI it died with the cold war, ur establishment is now broadly liberal, its the the way we modernist are, why aren’t you listening to music that hasn’t been invented yet you looser. Why aren’t you cool like me hmm?


 No.1686535

>>1686378

>>1686364

These are good posts. Can you add a little more plus some good dox/PDFs?


 No.1686605

>>1685776

Adam Curtis on reactionary oil baron HL Hunt, you might find this interesting too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/9849ae28-a4f7-3020-995f-1d07c4250d7a


 No.1686633

>>1685645

that's what I meant, the modern 'progressive' is economically right but completely pro-abortion, gay rights, feminism and so on

>>1685776

not surprised to be honest


 No.1686635

>>1686605

Who cares, this is minutiae.


 No.1686638

>>1686605

Fuck him, why should i give a shit about this one its name rhymes with, you practitioner of autism.


 No.1686679

>>1686633

What the Right understands (and the majority of the Left is unclear on) is that the economy is what matters and that economic base determines culture.

The Left is afraid to push on economic issues because these far-right economic ideas have a good deal of traction all across society. Is it any wonder that the far-right economic drift has coincided with the creation of a legion of far-right retards who are viciously opposed to mild progress in the cultural sphere.


 No.1686690

>>1686679

Nutter,

i suppose Dung Chaou Ping is a cool guy.


 No.1686731

>>1686690

Where are the arguments tho? A lot of right-wing shilling in this thread tbh

WEZ DA NU PUNC RAWK!


 No.1686765

>>1686731

Because it aint worth it, you fucks are so stuck up your asses,

Fun things to look at: dynamic systems: why: cause they are dynamic shithead.


 No.1686768

You’re''''

fuckoff


 No.1686774

File: 5a3902021a8b653⋯.jpg (73.59 KB, 800x502, 400:251, IMG_5408.JPG)


 No.1686794

>>1686774

What, a projector, wtf am i projectin except invective against you load of dumb ass soft handed layabouts!


 No.1686916

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>>1686794

>dumb ass soft handed layabouts

>only posts I am very smart posts

>no arguments

What could be the meaning of this?


 No.1686929

>>1686916

Oh wow, you are so intellectual.


 No.1686972

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>>1686929

At least I'm not a pseud who only posts insults to save face in the hopes of distracting idiotic lurkers so I'll look like I'm winning the argument.

I doubt anyone who whines about dynamic systems and shills for radical centrism and the Right has hard hands tbh. Hokey affectations, righteous indignation, and "witty one-liners" doesn't make anything you say somehow more authentically working class either.


 No.1686990

>>1686>>1686972

heh, up yours.save face, no. Sure I fuck up here but shoot myself


 No.1686993

>>1686990

I had a hilarious did from one of you knobs, apparently i should go to mommys basement

Ayy

Most of you are alrite, dont go toilet tomorrow.


 No.1690694

A book on labor conditions and capitalist policies in Nazi Germany.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1ZP6ZurgOg-ZThWZFN1bm1aeGc/view


 No.1694916

bump


 No.1694944

>…over one year later, it looks as though Abenomics is failing, at least the Japanese people. … The Japanese yen has fallen in value and the Japanese stock market has boomed, but Japan’s economy continues to crawl along. Japan’s economy has expanded at no more than 1% a year since the Great Recession ended. Under Abe, the growth rate has risen to 1.8%, but still no better than before the crisis.

>inflation has risen as a deliberate policy of the government, designed to ‘stimulate’ businesses to invest on the expectation of higher profits. As a result, real incomes for the average Japanese household have fallen significantly. The so-called misery index (the sum of inflation and unemployment rates) is at a 33-year high!

>So what has happened under Abenomics is a sharp rise in the rate of exploitation of Japanese workers and a fall in their living standards in order to boost profitability.

https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2014/07/30/abenomics-raises-profitability-and-misery/


 No.1695285

>>1686765

>Fun things to look at: dynamic systems: why: cause they are dynamic shithead.

Jesus christ mate learn to use punctuation.


 No.1695600

>>1685610

The history department chair at my uni has a background in post WW2 American politics as well as anticommunist sentiment in the USA. Here are some of her books as well as the course list for her graduate level specialty class:

Her books:

Right Out of California: The 1930s and the Big Business Roots of Modern Conservatism

Challenging the Secret Government: The Post-Watergate Investigations of the CIA and FBI

Real Enemies: Conspiracy Theories and American Democracy, World War I to 9/11

Course List:

Empire's Workshop: Latin America, the United States, and the Rise of the New Imperialism (American Empire Project)

One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America

The Cold War and the Color Line: American Race Relations in the Global Arena

Invisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal

Fear Itself: The New Deal and the Origins of Our Time

From Munich to Pearl Harbor: Roosevelt's America and the Origins of the Second World War (American Ways Series)

The Great Exception: The New Deal and the Limits of American Politics (Politics and Society in Modern America)

A Superpower Transformed: The Remaking of American Foreign Relations in the 1970s

The Origins of the Urban Crisis: Race and Inequality in Postwar Detroit (Princeton Classics)

Cold War Crucible: The Korean Conflict and the Postwar World

Chain Reaction: The Impact of Race, Rights, and Taxes on American Politics


 No.1695767

File: 397883aa8195c16⋯.pdf (1 MB, PowellMemorandumTypescript.pdf)

I'm surprised there's no talk about the Powell Memorandum here.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/

Y'know, that time a corporate executive/lawyer wrote a secret letter to his fellow bourgeoisie on how to seize control of Television, Universities, and High Schools, in order to crush criticism of capital and capitalism, and the Porkies loved it so much they sent him back all these nice letters then made him a supreme court Justice, and then someone leaked a bunch of the documents?


 No.1695775

One of the most hilarious thing about the alt-right is the Soros shit, considering that pretty much every single one of the "alt-right" figure heads is attached to a Koch funded organization and it's literal fact the tea party and alt-right were funded by the same think tanks.


 No.1695783

>>1695775

Would you mind taking the time to demonstrate some of the connections so any lurkers can see them?


 No.1695797

>>1695783

www.sourcewatch.org

Here is an entire website dedicated to tracking that shit.


 No.1696339

>>1695767

I'd never heard of it before. Thanks anon


 No.1699416

File: 57b80823715acc8⋯.png (411.8 KB, 654x886, 327:443, firstthinktankrightwing.png)

First Modern Think Tank Was Right-Wing– it's Founder set up more then 150 similar think tanks in his lifetime.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/fdb484c8-99a1-32a3-83be-20108374b985


 No.1699417

>>1695600

This is a really excellent list, thanks comrade. I'm digging into Right Out of California… right now.


 No.1701084

File: 35e494e99d4537f⋯.png (127.64 KB, 901x292, 901:292, Saskawa.png)


 No.1701094

File: 3a71fab685a77b6⋯.png (156.48 KB, 580x657, 580:657, Hitlerbillionaire.png)


 No.1701095

Weren't the French capitalist class planning on supporting Le Pen had Melenchon and not Macron made it to the final?


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 No.1701275

>>1701095

No fucking shit? If Bernie had made it in against Trump (or Jeb, kek), I don't think he would've had as much backing as Shillary did.

On a less inane note, what's the British Labour Party's lobbyist support been like since the IRA/Putin/ISIS sleeper agent's coup?


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