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 No.1941073

 No.1941136

File: cf95c69cd6b9b6f⋯.jpg (27.46 KB, 834x425, 834:425, Rojava News.JPG)

Rojava News: Turkish-backed FSA was hit by ATGM'ed by YPG in Afrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNOxHzOTODs


 No.1941697

bump


 No.1941748

>>1941136

turk roaches BTFO'd


 No.1941752

>>1941748

shit forgot to remove shitty namefag


 No.1942598

What happened to forever cycling edition?


 No.1942809

>>1942598

It was imperialist


 No.1942855


 No.1942865

>>1942855

I don't know why they bother antagonizing Iran at this point.


 No.1943426

File: bd9f1e258d94020⋯.mp4 (1.08 MB, 180x320, 9:16, sniper.mp4)

Obligatory.


 No.1943572

File: 2342ceafe8ac3f5⋯.jpg (202.39 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, PKK drink.jpg)

>Makes new Rojava thread because BO is a MİT agent who would rather have a failed cyclical thread that dies within a week than an actual successful thread.

>Thread immediately gets swarmed by endless shitting and flame wars thus drowning out real news and updates.

>Repeat

Every fucking time.


 No.1943604

>>1941073

Okay, complete noob here. Can someone explain to me what the Free Syrian Army is? I've seen some tankies and trots support them, and I don't know if they've fallen out of favor, but on what grounds did they oppose Assad? What are their actual politics?


 No.1943609

>>1943604

Salafist Mercenaries and one tiny group of trots


 No.1943615

>>1943604

I hope you are kidding because no tankie ever supported them. There were some Trot orgas that gave critical support because Trots are basically closet Neocons


 No.1943642

>>1943604

FSA is not a single army. It's a broad term for opposition fighters. We're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of militias, since the start of the war, calling themselves FSA and championing the same flag. Some are islamists, some serve foreign interest, some just want bourgeois democracy and capitalism, some fight with SDF.


 No.1943689

>>1943609

>>1943642

Thank you for the succinct answers.

>>1943615

I saw a few twitter tankies speak positively about them, particularly in counter-distinction to YPG, because apparently some were supporting Assad.


 No.1943696

>>1943689

As an anarchist, I ask you to please discard the opinions of twitter tankies. They are fucking terrible and it's unfair to associate them with our tankie friends here.


 No.1943704

>>1943696

Personally I only ever really use "tankie" as an insult when discussing that small anomaly of idiotic ultraleft "anti-revisionists" who seem to only exist on the internet. Red Kahina, Phil Greaves, etc. I'm almost convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt that they're cointelpro. Aside from that, I used to be an ML when I was younger and feel no animosity towards them, I just really don't know anything about the FSA and have a very rudimentary understanding of what's going on in the Syrian Civil War, and I figured this thread was the best place to ask.


 No.1944889

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 No.1945020

File: 75c0030eed2e0bf⋯.jpg (85.35 KB, 690x854, 345:427, 10917286_800909326634416_8….jpg)

>>1943604

>what is FSA

its a joke


 No.1945028

>>1943689

>I saw a few twitter tankies speak positively about them, particularly in counter-distinction to YPG, because apparently some were supporting Assad.

>…

>tankies supporting FSA because they fight SDF on assads behalf

my head hurts


 No.1945045


 No.1945070

File: 3f42743ee7802f3⋯.webm (9.63 MB, 640x360, 16:9, isis abu al amriki.webm)

Raqqa will not fall anytime soon, even Mosul took Iraqi gov over 6 months, and k*rds are no match when it comes to Iraqi militias both in equipment, training, willpower to fight, support etc…

Not to mention that k*rds are on sunni majority terrains right now so they will have to struggle hard to maintain the territiory.

Not only that but Iraqi gov took over 10.000 casualties taking Mosul, do you think that k*rds have willpower and manpower to take that much casualties?

And even if they win, Raqqa will be in ruins and local sunni arab population will hate kurds even more laying ground for more insurgencies ISIS style


 No.1945085

>>1945045

Calm down, bruh


 No.1945138

>>1945070

A lot wrong with this post. If the current rate of liberation keeps up, it will probably be over in a 1 to two months. The point is that Raqqa will inevitabily fall and most likely sooner then later. You might not remember or know this, but a point was made to utilize mostly arab SDF members to take raqqa. What makes you say that the YPG and SDF are less willing to fight, or less well trained when they've been more successful fighting ISIS then the Iraqi militias have? Arab majority cities like Manbij haven't been suffering from style ISIS insurrections despite being arab majority


 No.1945373

>>1945070

cmon. im dont particulary fancy the SDF and even i would say raqqa has less than two months.

the situation is very different from iraq.

iraq had years of insurgency and an established sunni community network.

insurgents there were the patriot, the defender, and sunni militias like alqeada enjoyed alot of support from some parts of the sunni population.

menawhile in syria ISIS is still an invader, and theyre fighting locals. not to mention the US has much more interest in taking Raqqa compared to Mosul.

any real effort to capture mosul by the US died when Obama saw he couldnt do it by the end of his presidency for the PR.

raqqa on the other hand plays a big part in the whole syria game for the US.


 No.1945395

File: f13b5b66c3bf76c⋯.jpg (83.82 KB, 960x960, 1:1, 16143256_10211209562936271….jpg)

>>1945045

Ah yes, a mouthpiece of the Qatari state is certainly an unbiased source of information on the conflict. /s


 No.1945741

>>1945395

>literally repeating Saudi propaganda

Hmmm.


 No.1949051

>>1945741

You're a retard


 No.1949201

File: 34b413c7d0d30cf⋯.jpg (160.23 KB, 670x445, 134:89, Jinwar Village.jpg)

Anyone else here heard of "Jinwar Village"? Apparently it's a project to create a female only village.

https://cooperativeeconomy.info/construction-work-continues-in-jinwar-the-first-womens-village-in-the-middle-east/

Thoughts on this?


 No.1949315

>>1949201

>a female only village

just why?


 No.1949330

File: 797c28f36c450c9⋯.jpg (891.27 KB, 1560x2744, 195:343, patriarchy.jpg)

>>1949201

>female only village

You mean dyke village.


 No.1949333

>>1949201

They won't last long?


 No.1949337

>>1949333

There could be immigration?


 No.1949396

File: 94a96d49a005520⋯.png (82.83 KB, 1947x447, 649:149, feminists.png)

>>1949201

Sounds good to me.

>>1949315

Why not?


 No.1949740

>>1949201

I understand the point as being to teach women how to live on their own and to build skills that encourage independence.

It's in line with what they talk about regularly and I hope it works out.


 No.1949768

File: f74c5f00ba90005⋯.jpg (37.73 KB, 595x360, 119:72, will.jpg)

>>1949201

Only if they don't get any help or training from men prior. If a group of guys say "okay do EXACTLY this for 1 year and when you don't starve to death we'll call it a woman made paradise" it doesn't count.


 No.1949775

>>1949201

It will fail like every other time something like this has been tried. Self-segregating feminists are hilarious.


 No.1949779

File: 68cd9b9e7a16d67⋯.png (35.63 KB, 224x322, 16:23, crooked and immature ideas.png)


 No.1949787

>>1945395

There's no such thing as an unbiased source of information


 No.1949891

>>1949201

wtf I hate Rojava now.


 No.1949892

File: fa3813c09882ac7⋯.jpg (29.69 KB, 500x408, 125:102, ToKeepYouIsNoBenefitToDest….jpg)


 No.1950282

File: f0fd2ad4f0dd3b2⋯.jpg (58.74 KB, 850x433, 850:433, Rojava News.JPG)

Apparently Daesh is now using gunners when using VBIEDs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASKXDDAZnS8


 No.1950413

>>1949201

At first I thought it was kinda a silly idea, but that it might be useful to help women become more independent, and if it was a commune for adults that that's their business and I don't really care. But then I read this:

>Everything has been thought of for life in the village. One of these is education. Mentioning that schools will be built in the village, Emîne said, “Work for building the school has been started. The children can stay in the village until they are 15 or 16 years old. When the construction of the village is completed and the village commune is formed, the age of the children will be discussed and how old children can stay in the village will be decided. First we decided the children could stay in the village until a certain age, but this will ultimately be the decision of the village commune when it is formed.”

They actually plan on raising children here, which not only sounds really shitty to raise children without any adult males at all (and it does raise the question of how the women will get pregnant) but it also talks about making the children leave at a certain age, presumably just the male children. That sounds fucking horrible and barbarous, you become 16 or whatever and you're forced out of your home, community, and family solely because you're a man. Segregationism, even self-imposed, is reactionary and destructive, and this just trades a patriarchy for a matriarchy. And what about sex and relationships? They're an extremely important part of human life and general wellbeing. I can understand why a revolutionary needs to be celibate, but the same ideology shouldn't spread beyond that.

The whole mindset behind this seems regressive. There's a difference between being autonomous and independent and believing that half of the population isn't needed or important and it's best to live without them.

>>1949396

>Why not?

Because it fixes nothing and if anything promotes a misandrist attitude.


 No.1950444

>>1943704

I like Phil Greaves, he really seems to rile up weird Twitter so I'm curious why you think he's bad.


 No.1950451

File: f82c1fd1ca0946e⋯.jpg (5.8 KB, 205x205, 1:1, 1411437139844.jpg)

>>1950444

>literally thinks PPG is a cia spy

>"what's wrong with him?"


 No.1950453

>>1950451

Why does he think that…..sheesh.


 No.1950456

>>1950453

He believes it because he's an insane "anti-imperialist" who believes Rojava is just a burger tool, which means that PPG must be some kind of CIA plant of course


 No.1950590

>>1950413

Everything in this post is ridiculous.


 No.1952748

Bump


 No.1952764

>>1950413

Good analysis.

>>1950590

>t. feminist


 No.1952831

>>1952764

>t. feminist

Yeah? And?


 No.1952841

>>1950413

>>1952764

Doesn't seem to be enough information available at the moment. I mean, I'm not entirely convinced that being raised by a village of women is necessarily a bad thing, but it does raise questions regarding what rights a father has towards their children.


 No.1952849

>>1950590

women cannot raise psychologically healthy children without men. this is just a simple fact of life.

it goes both ways. a man cannot raise a child without women either.


 No.1952876

>>1943604

It's more of a brand now. The title FSA is just given to opposition forces who aren't affiliated with al Nusra or whatever name they are now.


 No.1952877

does anybody have a good documentary on rojava I can watch?


 No.1952879

>>1945045

What is this trash?


 No.1952949

>>1952849

citation needed


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 No.1953415

>>1950590

Your opinion is noted, as is the absence of your argument.


 No.1953637

bump


 No.1955379

>>1952953

I just finished watching this, it's amazing that they were able to pull this off.

But I'm just wondering, how close are they to achieving self-sustenance in the event that imperialist powers pull out of economic aid?

It's fairly obvious they are getting their weapons and ammo from outside, do they plan on working on manufacturing it themselves in the future?


 No.1955466

>>1955379

>But I'm just wondering, how close are they to achieving self-sustenance in the event that imperialist powers pull out of economic aid?

>It's fairly obvious they are getting their weapons and ammo from outside, do they plan on working on manufacturing it themselves in the future?

They'll procure it from the black market like they have been for years. Not hard to get either weapons or ammo in the ME


 No.1956063

Why are tankies so split on Rojava? Some support it (and the MLKP), others see it as an Israeli-US project and support Assad instead.


 No.1956194

>>1956063

Actually politically active tankies support it, it's the internet armchair tankies like Phil Greaves that don't


 No.1957092

>rojava claims to be anti-imperialist while taking support from the U.S and an actual apartheid state

>rojava sends men over each other corpses into raqqa to get torn to shreds

>rojava had a LGBT unit in raqqa that was so fucking useless that it got disbanded and the org that organized them kicked from rojava

>rojava uses women soldiers for the sole reason of propaganda but lies and pretends that the women are frontline soldiers

>rojava is an openly nationalist concept but socialists and even anarchist still support it

>people un-ironically support these people


 No.1957096

>>1956063

You can support both. Don't buy into the liberal framing of the issue. Assad is not bad and neither is Rojava. Now if they started openly calling for secession I would love to watch them get crushed but they aren't doing that so they are still deserving of support as an experiment in leftist political organization.


 No.1957104

>>1957092

>thinking you'll convince anyone with all these hot takes

0/10 are you even trying?


 No.1957106

>>1957092

You know very little about Rojava are are very mistaken on multiple points.


 No.1957418

File: 73dca4f737fad26⋯.jpg (46.89 KB, 640x404, 160:101, C_URADZW0AAaREg.jpg orig.jpg)

>>1957092

troll harder


 No.1959085

File: 2e25cb6a1027f0e⋯.jpg (35.35 KB, 600x443, 600:443, 2e25cb6a1027f0e4ef2411f323….jpg)

>>1956063

because one side only cares about ideology and the supposed revolution, while the other only cares about geopolitics and the longterm effects on the region.

simple as that


 No.1959152

>>1957418

>>1957106

>>1957104

all this is true though


 No.1959198

>>1959085

You say this like supporting revolution is a bad thing, and maintaining the capitalist status quo is good. Why even call yourself a leftist then?


 No.1959603

>>1959198

if a revolution does more bad than good to its surroundings and doesent spread then the ends do not justify the means.


 No.1959741

>>1959198

Because communists don't just support any kind of revolution, they only support communist revolution, and they are vehemently against opportunism.

YPG is not communist, it's influenced by the idiot Murray Bookchin. His ideas are opportunist, idealist, utopian, and explicitly anti-communist and anti-Marxist. Moreover, the YPG is allowing dozens of US bases in their region, and is likely carrying out US geopolitical aims. They have also recently taken to complementing Saudi Arabia.


 No.1959770

File: d85c8263cd97acc⋯.jpg (48.95 KB, 960x603, 320:201, 21511636_0.jpg)

>K*rds are tottaly winning in Raqqa guys!


 No.1959859

File: cb1406fe0c4ebd8⋯.png (490.41 KB, 589x391, 589:391, Screenshot 2017-08-11 at 8….png)

File: 999afef000515c1⋯.png (749.35 KB, 838x468, 419:234, Screenshot 2017-08-11 at 8….png)

File: 285ca677ba992fa⋯.png (445.4 KB, 667x374, 667:374, Screenshot 2017-08-11 at 8….png)

>>1959741

>YPG is not communist

Why lie.

>>1959741

>t's influenced by the idiot Murray Bookchin. His ideas are opportunist, idealist, utopian, and explicitly anti-communist and anti-Marxist.

Can i see the evidence for that statement.


 No.1959904

>>1959859

Literally a show of Appearing > Being.


 No.1959944

>>1959904

They are being back by the International leftist community it they were not communist or any form of leftism they would not be supporting them.


 No.1960023

>>1959770

>literally posting amaq propaganda

I fucking hate this board


 No.1960083

>>1960023

>propaganda

>fucking hate this board

good fie you, now leave like many of time you did leave before you fuking pedo using flag as avatarfaging attention whore.


 No.1960098

>>1959859

Dude Apo became a Bookchinite in prison. Probably as some kind of MKULTRA experiment for all we know. But either way, the PKK and YPG don't adhere to communist theory any more.


 No.1960125

>>1959603

And who are you to say that this revolution is causing more harm then good? This revolution has done more to abolish accumulation of capital and empowerment of the people then any the Syrian government has

>>1959741

Serious communists like the mlkp support and actively participate in the revolution. Are they not true communists now compared to you, who probably hasn't done anything really to support communist struggle


 No.1961059

>>1960125

>Serious communists like the mlkp

A small gang of fringe Hoxhaists. The Syrian communist party supports the Syrian government.

>>1960508

>how the fuck are they not?

>communism=/=marxism btw

How are you so fucking clueless about the thing you fetishize so much? They themselves will tell you that Rojava is "democratic confederalist," "cantonalist," "communalist," or some such. However, it is not communist and is not the result of praxis informed by Marxist theory. AND fuck off with your revisionism. The only worthwhile theory of socialism and communism is Marxism, period, the end.


 No.1961091

>>1961059

>A small gang of fringe Hoxhaists. The Syrian communist party supports the Syrian government.

MLKP is actually active in a people's war against the Turkish government, which is a lot more then some controlled opposition party.

>supporting Assad, a neo-liberal, while calling other people revisionists

Glass houses etc. Communalism is built off of an understanding and critique of Marx's theories, but you've never read any communalist theory so you wouldn't know that.


 No.1961130

>>1961091

>>supporting Assad, a neo-liberal, while calling other people revisionists

Why even bother calling him a neo-liberal? You think this is some magic word that Marxists are supposed to be scared of? He's bourgeois, we get it: that's why all genuine Marxists support him and the Syrian government wholeheartedly against the medieval reactionaries that the USA, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and others have sent into Syria to destroy everything. This is basic Marxism. Capitalism is preferred over feudalism.

Moreover, it's rich calling him a neo-liberal when Syrians STILL have social support and welfare systems that people from all over the world, including the West, would salivate over. Just because he made some attempts at reforms to keep NATO off his back? Fuck off.

>Communalism is built off of an understanding and critique of Marx's theories

No, COMMUNISM is built off of an understanding of Marx's theories. COMMUNISM is an ever-evolving concept. Communalism is built off of an explicit rejection and revision of the most important and indispensable aspects of Marxism. READ MARX, READ ENGELS, READ LENIN.


 No.1961175

>>1961130

>He's bourgeois, we get it: that's why all genuine Marxists support him and the Syrian government wholeheartedly against the medieval reactionaries that the USA, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and others have sent into Syria to destroy everything.

This is so factually incorrect that it almost doesn't even warrant a response, but I'll respond nevertheless. All of those countries are "bourgeois" or capitalist. None of them are "medieval", all of them are part of the modern capitalist system just as much as Syria is. Literally none of these countries has a feudalistic mode of production. I can't believe I actually have to point this out to you.

>Moreover, it's rich calling him a neo-liberal when Syrians STILL have social support and welfare systems that people from all over the world, including the West, would salivate over.

This is like calling Sweden socialist. Assad privatized a lot of the industry in Syria, and if that doesn't constitute neo-liberalism then what does?

>No, COMMUNISM is built off of an understanding of Marx's theories. COMMUNISM is an ever-evolving concept. Communalism is built off of an explicit rejection and revision of the most important and indispensable aspects of Marxism. READ MARX, READ ENGELS, READ LENIN.

Top kek. Not sure if genuinely retarded or just a troll. The fact that you're saying we should support one bourgeois against the other while telling us to read Lenin of all people is absolutely hysterical. Anyways, please do point out the differences between Dialectical Naturalism and Dialectical Materialism, and how Dialectical Naturalism isn't built off of an understanding and critique of Dialectical Materialism.


 No.1961182

>>1961175

>All of those countries are "bourgeois" or capitalist. None of them are "medieval", all of them are part of the modern capitalist system just as much as Syria is. Literally none of these countries has a feudalistic mode of production

You fucking imbecile, Al Qaeda is the most clear-cut case of feudal reactionary ideology living today. And they have demonstrably attempted to push Syria back into the stone age by selling off all of the factory equipment to Turkey, not to mention the massive destruction to infrastructure and buildings.

>This is like calling Sweden socialist.

I never did, you are willfully misinterpreting what I said.

>etc

Wow, it's almost like I'm arguing with Bookchin himself! Nothing but willful misinterpretation, lies, and idiocy.


 No.1961191

>>1961182

>You fucking imbecile, Al Qaeda is the most clear-cut case of feudal reactionary ideology living today. And they have demonstrably attempted to push Syria back into the stone age by selling off all of the factory equipment to Turkey, not to mention the massive destruction to infrastructure and buildings.

Literally has nothing to do with DFSNS, nor why we should support Assad over them. This is all ultimately a moot point anyways considering the two aren't explicitly enemies.

>all this butthurt

ayy lmao. Stay mad buddy


 No.1961203

>>1961191

>Literally has nothing to do with DFSNS, nor why we should support Assad over them.

We got on the topic of Assad because I mentioned that the real Syrian communists support his government. You, in your infinite wisdom, proceeded to argue that Al Qaeda wasn't a reactionary force against which it is correct to support a bourgeois state.

The Syrian communists support the Syrian government and DON'T support Rojava because Rojava is in a mutual relationship with the USA, which is the country ultimately responsible for sending in the legions of Al Qaeda in the first place. There are dozens of US bases in Rojava, including air strips which the USAF may have already used to launch attacks directly on SAA forces, and which they are guaranteed to have used to attack Syrian infrastructure. On top of this, major YPG officials have been making overtures to Saudi Arabia. Rojava has become the backup plan for the USA's attempt to break up Syria.


 No.1961222

>>1961203

>We got on the topic of Assad because I mentioned that the real Syrian communists support his government. You, in your infinite wisdom, proceeded to argue that Al Qaeda wasn't a reactionary force against which it is correct to support a bourgeois state.

You created a false dichotomy by implying it's either a choice between Al Qaeda or the Syrian Government, and it's not. Mind you, you said nothing about Al Qaeda but instead implied that the US and it's allied were medieval and operating as feudalistic economies. Your failure to make yourself clear is your own, not mine.

>The Syrian communists support the Syrian government and DON'T support Rojava because Rojava is in a mutual relationship with the USA, which is the country ultimately responsible for sending in the legions of Al Qaeda in the first place.

The Syrian Communist party supports Assad because they're controlled opposition existing in a defacto hereditary Monarchy. As it currently stands, SDF and SAA have a joint operations room and both occupy the same territory in many places. US aid says nothing regarding the socialistic character of the DFSNS and Revolution in general mind you.


 No.1961237

>>1945070

>do you think that k*rds have willpower

How anyone can ask this after Kobane is beyond me


 No.1961258

>>1961222

>You created a false dichotomy by implying it's either a choice between Al Qaeda or the Syrian Government, and it's not.

It fucking is. It's literally the Syrian government or Al Qaeda, literally everyone in Syria other than SDF says so. The Syrian government is the only force in the region capable of standing up to Al Qaeda.

>Mind you, you said nothing about Al Qaeda but instead implied that the US and it's allied were medieval and operating as feudalistic economies. Your failure to make yourself clear is your own, not mine.

Your confusion is only the result of your blatant cluelessness about the situation in Syria. You should research the topic more and talk about it much, much less.

>The Syrian Communist party supports Assad because they're controlled opposition

Weird how this critique applies to communists who oppose imperialism, but not the YPG, which is cooperating directly with the USA. Watch your fucking tongue.

>SDF and SAA have a joint operations room and both occupy the same territory in many places.

This aspect of the conflict is ambiguous as it stands. US and Russia also do deconfliction, and the DOD was sharing intel with the SAA at one point (against the wishes of other US agencies). However, if you are arguing that Rojava will just get folded back into the Syrian state, then why do you even care about it?


 No.1961274

>>1961258

>It fucking is. It's literally the Syrian government or Al Qaeda, literally everyone in Syria other than SDF says so. The Syrian government is the only force in the region capable of standing up to Al Qaeda.

DFSNS has done more to fight Islamic extremists actually. Just look at the amount of land liberated vs the amount of land SAA has liberated.

>Your confusion is only the result of your blatant cluelessness about the situation in Syria. You should research the topic more and talk about it much, much less.

No, u

>Weird how this critique applies to communists who oppose imperialism, but not the YPG, which is cooperating directly with the USA. Watch your fucking tongue.

Look at the internet tough guy over here. Can't you make an argument without using shitty logical fallacies like tu quoque?

>This aspect of the conflict is ambiguous as it stands. US and Russia also do deconfliction, and the DOD was sharing intel with the SAA at one point (against the wishes of other US agencies). However, if you are arguing that Rojava will just get folded back into the Syrian state, then why do you even care about it?

DFSNS shouldn't be folded back into the Syrian state. Rather, it's much preferable that the system be expanded to the rest of Syria existing as a dual power alongside the Syrian Government.


 No.1961403

>>1957092

>rojava had a LGBT unit in raqqa that was so fucking useless that it got disbanded and the org that organized them kicked from rojava

Wow a faked tweet really convinced me.


 No.1961411

File: 90493869ce6f1b6⋯.jpg (379.52 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, IRPGF3.jpg)

Where the fuck did the IFB and IRPGF Facebook pages go? They disappeared at the same time.


 No.1961564

>>1961130

ok this is just bait


 No.1962904

>>1960125

>And who are you to say that this revolution is causing more harm then good?

how can drawing new borders and pouring in new militant grouos and weapons be good for the region in any way?

it doesent take a single year of foregein politics or history study to know that if kurdistan appears aout of all his that its just gonna be a shitstorm in the region for another couple of decades.

>This revolution has done more to abolish accumulation of capital and empowerment of the people then any the Syrian government has

any revolution can outpreform an already established goverment administrative complex in the fields of local/personnal/social liberty.

the reason states are so oppressive is because thats the price of keeping it all in order and one piece.


 No.1962911

>>1961091

>muh neoliberal assad

saddam was better, youre right.


 No.1962922

>>1961175

>Assad privatized a lot of the industry in Syria, and if that doesn't constitute neo-liberalism then what does?

neoliberalism is a freemarket free4all.

most of the provate sector in syria is oned by a nomenoclature of baathist officials and associates, giving the economy much more flexibility, but not alienating goverment control.

read a book before you spew bullshit.


 No.1962943

>>1961274

>DFSNS has done more to fight Islamic extremists actually.

>than the SAA

absolutely retarded.

>Just look at the amount of land liberated vs the amount of land SAA has liberated

>just look at all this barren desert, who needs those worthless populated areas and industrial zones

kys now

>Rather, it's much preferable that the system be expanded to the rest of Syria existing as a dual power alongside the Syrian Government

im sure the retard fairy is working on your wish right now because noone else is.


 No.1962975

>>1961411

facebook regulary delelets all "unapproved of" pages these days, be it leftist, right-wing, just plane opposition, not-PC humour, anything.


 No.1962987

>>1962935

its not the faceless neoliberalism youre trying to portray it to be with your strawman fallacies


 No.1963127

>>1961274

>DFSNS has done more to fight Islamic extremists actually

That is complete bullshit. And most of the land in SDF territory is just farmlands and desert.

>the rest of your bullshit

just kys


 No.1963358

>>1963001

yes, it works like this

>syria privatise some of the economy to step up with the developed world

>hurr durr assad is a neoliberal ancapistan dictator

>a drought hits syria in early 2010s

>hurr durr its assads neoliberal policys fault

>something bad happens in syria

>hurr durr its all assads fault because hes a dictator and i dont like him


 No.1963849

>>1963805

>Assad is a neoliberal

1. no.

2. who cares anyway.

3. you have been repeatedly BTFO and proven to be utterly clueless about Syria. fuck off.


 No.1963914

>>1963849

>>syria privatise some of the economy to step up with the developed world

>not a neoliberal


 No.1964029

>>1963914

see >>1962922

then compare to the US and former socialist states in eastern europe.


 No.1964033

>>1963805

elaborate on how is assad a neoliberal


 No.1964057

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>>1961274

holy shit youre retarded. youre one of those millenial faggots that started following some random twitter accounts in 2016 when he saw some facebook post about rojava.

you dont know shit about whats going on down there.


 No.1964142

>>1964057

but you do?


 No.1964157

>>1964142

we know more than you, dipshit. STFU and don't talk unless you know what you're talking about.


 No.1964336


 No.1964410


 No.1966522

>>1964029

That's retarded though. It implies that only an ancap's paradise is constitutes neo-liberalism and none of the policies that lead up to that, privatization of nationalized industries, have anything to do with that.


 No.1966543

>>1962943

>absolutely retarded.

Not an argument

>>just look at all this barren desert, who needs those worthless populated areas and industrial zones

Manbij, Al-Thawrah, and soon Raqqa as well as other towns and hundreds of villages have been liberated by SDF. Stay mad though

>im sure the retard fairy is working on your wish right now because noone else is.

Not an argument either.


 No.1966550

>>1962904

>how can drawing new borders and pouring in new militant grouos and weapons be good for the region in any way?

Nothing to do with DFSNS

>kurdistan

Nobody, especially not the PYD, is talking about creating a kurdish state.

>any revolution can outpreform an already established goverment administrative complex in the fields of local/personnal/social liberty.

It's almost like the status quo is repressive and should be abolished

>the reason states are so oppressive is because thats the price of keeping it all in order and one piece.

Might as well come out as a sucdem tbh


 No.1967979

>>1966522

its not retarded when you try to pull off a slippery slope just to make someone look bad so he wont seem a better option thant what youre rooting for.


 No.1967994

>>1966543

>even attempting to imply that DFSNS has fought half the battles the SAA did

fucking FSA fought against ISIS longer than they did.

>Manbij, Al-Thawrah, and soon Raqqa as well as other towns and hundreds of villages have been liberated by SDF

should i start counting all major cities, towns, industrial centers and villages liberated by goverment forces?

you probably wouldnt want that because it would make someone look like a bunch of nobodies with a city or two in the desert.

>Not an argument either

>implying theres an argument needed to refute the claim that DFSNS will spread anywhere else than whats left of that ISIS held desert and a few villages along the Euphrates

yeah, shit try m8, ill rate it bad/10


 No.1968021

>>1966550

>how can drawing new borders and pouring in new militant grouos and weapons be good for the region in any way?

>Nothing to do with DFSNS

yeah because they jut moved to africa a minute ago right

>Nobody, especially not the PYD, is talking about creating a kurdish state

im using kurdistan as a generalised term for any new state or "autonomous" area that might spring up with any given alphabet soup militant organisation on top

>It's almost like the status quo is repressive and should be abolished

its should be, but not where it would enable a global hegemony power to enforce their franchise of status quo, which seems to be so subtly repressive that classes under it dont eve know theyre being repressed

>Might as well come out as a sucdem tbh

not an argument.


 No.1969121

>>1967979

That's a strawmen though. I never implied any "slippery slope", I merely pointed out that privatization of industry is a neoliberal policy, and to say otherwise if factually incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Why do you, as a supposed leftist, feel the need to defend someone who is in essence the latest in a relatively new line of hereditary monarchs?

>>1967994

>fucking FSA fought against ISIS longer than they did.

I'm talking in terms of results. FSA and SAA haven't been liberating land and people like the SDF has, in the sense of the quantities of both

>should i start counting all major cities, towns, industrial centers and villages liberated by goverment forces?

Yes please do. Just remember to not count areas they've held onto this entire time.

>you probably wouldnt want that because it would make someone look like a bunch of nobodies with a city or two in the desert.

Do it anyways :^)

>>implying theres an argument needed to refute the claim that DFSNS will spread anywhere else than whats left of that ISIS held desert and a few villages along the Euphrates

Considering the amount of people that flee to DFSNS territory when the government takes new land, I don't see it as very unlikely.

>yeah, shit try m8, ill rate it bad/10

No u

>>1968021

>yeah because they jut moved to africa a minute ago right

What are you even trying to say here?

>im using kurdistan as a generalised term for any new state or "autonomous" area that might spring up with any given alphabet soup militant organisation on top

You don't have any proof that alphabet soup are controlling the DFSNS. If all you can do is make baseless smears then why bother posting at all?

>its should be, but not where it would enable a global hegemony power to enforce their franchise of status quo, which seems to be so subtly repressive that classes under it dont eve know theyre being repressed

False dichotomy. There's nothing about DFSNS that would mean such a thing, their poltical and economic system is completely their own, and you have no proof to the contrary. The best thing you have is speculation to how things *might* turn out in the future, but this speculation doesn't have really any leg to stand on at the moment besides a clearly temporary and purely military alliance against between the DFSNS and US against ISIS.

>not an argument.

My argument is that you're no better then a sucdem who wants to maintain the status quo because revolution might be unpleasant.


 No.1969135

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>>1969121

forgot to include pic


 No.1971352

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>>1961411

just a reminder the irpgf was responsible for this travesty…..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Queer_Insurrection_and_Liberation_Army


 No.1972302

>>1969121

>That's a strawmen though. I never implied any "slippery slope", I merely pointed out that privatization of industry is a neoliberal policy…

it is. if youre trying to take one flaw and downplay it as the whole essence of someone its a slippery slope fallacy. its on the same level as saying that YPG is a bunch of CIA agents with facepaint because theyre backed by the US.

>Why do you, as a supposed leftist, feel the need to defend someone who is in essence the latest in a relatively new line of hereditary monarchs?

because i know enough about the region to know that the wars and sectarian violence will never stop if foregein powers continue to incurse there and if new borders and goverments are created every few months.


 No.1972336

>>1969121

>I'm talking in terms of results. FSA and SAA haven't been liberating land and people like the SDF has, in the sense of the quantities of both

FSA has held areas with greater population than the current SDF areas. and saying that taking control of a strip of desert is like saying the US did 80% of the fighting in WW2 because they crosed such a large area of the ocean.

>Yes please do. Just remember to not count areas they've held onto this entire time.

ok. Aleppo, Palmyra, Wadi Barada, Damascus Suburbs all have plenty times the more population than SDF areas. thats dismissing all the "towns and villages" and suburbs liberated too. And if you count all that desert area you think is so important then its obvious.

>Considering the amount of people that flee to DFSNS territory when the government takes new land, I don't see it as very unlikely

those are the pople that are afraid of reperations. theyre sceptical of the whole "full amnesty or if you want an evacuation to rebel held areas with green buses" deal because if they take either of those they admit defeat.

>No u

how old are you


 No.1972351

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>>1969121

>What are you even trying to say here?

<a notion is made that further carving up the region and creating new actors wont help the region to stabilise

>hurrr durr that has nothing to do with DFSNS

>You don't have any proof that alphabet soup are controlling the DFSNS

no, ofcourse not, those YPG or SDF or whatever gunmen walking around are just tourists.

> If all you can do is make baseless smears then why bother posting at all?

ok, from now on instead of kurdistan ill say "SDF/YPG/DFSNS/BFI/BBC/CBS/PCP/XTC/WTF/OMG/BRB"

>False dichotomy. There's nothing about DFSNS that would mean such a thing, their poltical and economic system is completely their own, and you have no proof to the contrary.

it gives a certain world power another backdoor to the region doesent it?

>The best thing you have is speculation to how things *might* turn out in the future

id say its pretty fucking obvious if youve been paying attention to the world instead of circlejerking in fanfiction

>a clearly temporary and purely military alliance against between the DFSNS and US against ISIS

pic related

>My argument is that you're no better then a sucdem who wants to maintain the status quo because revolution might be unpleasant.

im better because im not retarded enough to push for something that wont help at all in the long run and then just say "oh well, better luck next time" from some laptop in a starbucks thousands of miles away from where people are actually doing the fighting.


 No.1973486

>>1962904

>kurdistan kurdistan kurdistan

When are people going to stop shouting this shit like a broken record? Why are these threads so repetitive? YPG et al do not want a new state. See: Öcalan's wishes.

YPG continue to worship Öcalan and have refused to pretend otherwise when asked by the west to do so. YPG are also aware that Öcalan was captured by Turkey with help from the CIA and Mossad, and won't have forgotten this bit of history. They are not zionist sleeper agents trying to install Kurdisrealistan.

>how can new militant groups and weapons be good for the region

New groups like ISIS? Oh that's right, they've been cleaned up by Kurds.

With ISIS removed, the CIA no longer have a ground army of sunni stooges to try and crush Assad. Why do you people fear that the Kurds will be the ones to suddenly break Assad's back? What does a US presence in the north matter right now when they do not have actual ground forces (like ISIS) willing (like ISIS) to run in and attack Assad? Why keep yelling about geopolitics when the Turkey-Qatar pipeline is probably off the table anyway until someone really does kill Assad? Even if the Kurds DID want to kill Assad, why would they risk it? Why would they piss off Russia, when Russia helps keep Turkey in check? Why do you think any US bases are permanent when people have told them to fuck off from their bases plenty of times in the past two decades, pretty much driving the US out of central asia?

Anyway, Marxist-leninist fellow PPG talks about Rojava from first-hand experience in the podcast known as Delete Your Account, episode 49. According to him, the Kurds are dead fucking serious. They're not going to stop displaying Öcalan's image everywhere, regardless of what the west thinks. And yes, PPG was aware that their ideologies don't align perfectly. Do you think PPG sperged out, dropped his AK and refused to cooperate any further because the Kurds do not share the exact same ideas? Do you think he interrupted meetings, wagging his finger while telling his hosts how they should be running the place?


 No.1974003

>>1949330

so… whats the solution then? Sex separation? It's not at all like this are just averages andthat there is far ,more to society than just building a shelter.


 No.1974043

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>>1973486

good post


 No.1974231

>>1973486

>When are people going to stop shouting this shit like a broken record? Why are these threads so repetitive? YPG et al do not want a new state. See: Öcalan's wishes

you really show how disconnected you are from the material world here. any faction that wants to control a certain area can either choose between creating a defacto state or being a guerilla insurgency. theres no such thing as a special snowflake not state state.

>muh ocalan wishes

and marx said the state would be abolished. that went well in the USSR.

>New groups like ISIS? Oh that's right, they've been cleaned up by Kurds.

<new groups like FSA? oh thats right, theyve been cleaned up by ISIS.

<new groups like al-qaeda? oh thats right theyve been cleaned up by shia militias.

<new groups like X1? oh thats right, theyve been cleaned up by X2

>With ISIS removed, the CIA no longer have a ground army of sunni stooges to try and crush Assad

that was the FSA. ISIS is a strawman/pretext for the US to have boots on the ground.

>Why do you people fear that the Kurds will be the ones to suddenly break Assad's back?

they wont, theyll just hold important areas north of euphrates.

>What does a US presence in the north matter right now when they do not have actual ground forces (like ISIS) willing (like ISIS) to run in and attack Assad?

because of salami tactics and having foward bases.

>Why keep yelling about geopolitics when the Turkey-Qatar pipeline is probably off the table anyway until someone really does kill Assad?

because its not just about the pipeline, its about russia and iran establishing their power in the region and the iran-iraq-syria-lebanon axis

>Even if the Kurds DID want to kill Assad

irellevant, they dont and thats not the strategy the US is attempting with SDF.

>Why do you think any US bases are permanent

because the US can play the endangered ally card here in the region, the situation in central asia is radically different.

>They're not going to stop displaying Öcalan's image everywhere, regardless of what the west thinks

the "west" on the ground doesent give a single crap about symbolism.

>Do you think PPG sperged out, dropped his AK and refused to cooperate

no because this is the real world and people on the spot there reconsider when some idealism doesent go with the situation at hand.

i suggest you read this post 3-5 times, because im assuming youll forget most of the points i made because of your cognitive bias.


 No.1974264

>the bases are just temporarily guys!

>imperialist army on your territory is just the same as lend lease, it's literally the same thing if you think about it!

>trust the americans, they and the EU are a mediating partner in the fight against terror!

ok.


 No.1975286

>>1972302

>it is. if youre trying to take one flaw and downplay it as the whole essence of someone its a slippery slope fallacy. its on the same level as saying that YPG is a bunch of CIA agents with facepaint because theyre backed by the US.

If a politician can't be defined by his policies then what does define him? Just because he hasn't dismantled the welfare state in the country or completely privatized it doens't mean that his policies haven't been neo-liberal. My point ultimately regarding Assad is that there's nothing legitimate about him besides his last name, and his position as the head of the Syrian government is one that he's inherited not gained through support of the people or merit.

>because i know enough about the region to know that the wars and sectarian violence will never stop if foregein powers continue to incurse there and if new borders and goverments are created every few months.

Foreign powers will continue to incurse there even if the Syrian government takes back everything. Besides, the desire for "stability" is absurd considering that socialism/communism requires violent revolution to be achieved. It's conservative at best and at worst reactionary.

>>1972336

>FSA has held areas with greater population than the current SDF areas. and saying that taking control of a strip of desert is like saying the US did 80% of the fighting in WW2 because they crosed such a large area of the ocean.

Holding areas =/= liberating.

>ok. Aleppo, Palmyra, Wadi Barada, Damascus Suburbs all have plenty times the more population than SDF areas. thats dismissing all the "towns and villages" and suburbs liberated too. And if you count all that desert area you think is so important then its obvious.

Aleppo was never fully under the control of the rebels, Palmyra was lost twice and these areas that are taken back usually come with a mass exodus from the populace because they fear the Government. Not really liberating the populace if most of them flee the area in fear of you

>those are the pople that are afraid of reperations. theyre sceptical of the whole "full amnesty or if you want an evacuation to rebel held areas with green buses" deal because if they take either of those they admit defeat.

Civilians don't care about "admitting defeat", they're afraid of being punished by the government because it's an authoritarian state ruled by a defacto monarch.

>how old are you

Same age as you probably. You expected me to respond seriously to that?

>>1972351

><a notion is made that further carving up the region and creating new actors wont help the region to stabilise

Neither will trying to revert back to a flawed status quo that's bound to result in the same instability eventually. You can't just pretend that the Syrian Government's policies had nothing to do with the civil war.

>no, ofcourse not, those YPG or SDF or whatever gunmen walking around are just tourists.

>ok, from now on instead of kurdistan ill say "SDF/YPG/DFSNS/BFI/BBC/CBS/PCP/XTC/WTF/OMG/BRB"

Try to make coherent points. The mere existence of the YPG and SDF does not necessitate their control of by the US intelligence services.

>it gives a certain world power another backdoor to the region doesent it?

By accepting military help, none of which has translated to economic of political ties? How is this a backdoor when the US has no way of actually maintaining these bases without the consent of the DFSNS.

>id say its pretty fucking obvious if youve been paying attention to the world instead of circlejerking in fanfiction

>pic related

Not an argument.

>im better because im not retarded enough to push for something that wont help at all in the long run and then just say "oh well, better luck next time" from some laptop in a starbucks thousands of miles away from where people are actually doing the fighting.

Literally can make the same argument for why every revolution that has so far happened is bad and should be condemned. I don't see how this proves to be that you're not just as bad as sucdems


 No.1975385

>>1975286

>My point ultimately regarding Assad is that there's nothing legitimate about him besides his last name

Do you support the US overthrowing him?


 No.1975410

>>1975385

Not in the least. I support a dual power, though. I think the system the DFSNS is creating is much more legitimate and empowering the people, which doesn't mean abolishing the syrian government but creating something that does empower the people


 No.1977595

>>1975410

>dual power

take a map and look where syria is.


 No.1977668

>>1975286

>If a politician can't be defined by his policies then what does define him?

when your cherrypicking macroeconomic actions youre not making a good case. if anything hes (post)bathist.

>Just because

works both ways

>My point ultimately regarding Assad is that there's nothing legitimate about him besides his last name

if that were true syria would have already fallen in 2011

>and his position as the head of the Syrian government is one that he's inherited not gained through support of the people or merit.

he was selected by his father after the death of Basil, and in favor of his two other brothers that had much more military and strongman experience for a reason.

prettymuch all states in the status quo have inherent power, somewhere more obvious somewhere less.

and if an honest election was held today, who do you think would win?

>Foreign powers will continue to incurse there even if the Syrian government takes back everything

exactly my point with syria being split between syrian and rojava areas.

>Besides, the desire for "stability" is absurd considering that socialism/communism requires violent revolution to be achieved

about as absurd when your revolution creates another caliphate

>It's conservative at best and at worst reactionary

how about dragging the status quo untill the local society is on the proper level? marx didnt intend a revolution to happen in kingdoms of religious radicalsand powerhungry warlords.

>Holding areas =/= liberating.

liberating is a strong word with the FSA. and still, from 2011 the areas they captured trough the years were still as densely populated as im suggesting

>Aleppo was never fully under the control of the rebels

most of it was. its like saying that DFSNS didnt liberate anything because there were still some pockets of resistance somewhere.

>Palmyra was lost twice and these areas that are taken back usually come with a mass exodus from the populace because they fear the Government

they fear war dumbass. civillians retreat from any frontline, sometimes to behind lines sometimes they try to go over them like in Aleppo

>Not really liberating the populace if most of them flee the area in fear of you

not really counting as populce when you count jihadist supporters, fighter and their families while dismissing everyone else because it wasnt in some biased news source

>Civilians don't care about "admitting defeat"

but fighters and radicals do, so they flee and take their families with them.

>they're afraid of being punished by the government

which is redundant because of the amnesties and ceasfires the goverment offers them on a silver plate but they reject

>because it's an authoritarian state ruled by a defacto monarch

you mean because they fear punishment for the attrocities they comitted. those folks dont know or give a shit about political classifications.

>Same age as you probably. You expected me to respond seriously to that?

why not


 No.1977690

>>1974231

>either choose between creating a defacto state or being a guerilla insurgency

I don't understand why you hold this black and white view and disparage anything in between. So there can never be a transition phase to a new kind of society?

>and marx said the state would be abolished. that went well in the USSR.

Okay, so Öcalan's followers should just give up then because the USSR fucked up Marx's wishes? That's kinda ironic coming from an anti-imperialist tankie, don't you think?

>all these groups are mere pawns being put against each other!

Yeah, so I guess the Kurds have it coming then when they get bombed by NATO-ally Turkey. They're just pawns and so no different from ISIS and Al-queda. At all.

>because its not just about the pipeline, its about russia and iran establishing their power in the region and the iran-iraq-syria-lebanon axis

Can you explain this idea to me about supporting this axis at all costs? How many journalistic outlets support this notion? Where did it originally come from? I've seen one of you types trying to convince someone on lainchan that he should try to join hezbollah instead of the kurds. I'm pretty sure hezbollah do not accept random international volunteers, especially not atheist internet memers, so that makes me a little worried. Are you going to recommend that board users try to join the islamic revolutionary guard corps? Where do you draw the line for this anti-imperialism purity contest?

>the "west" on the ground doesent give a single crap about symbolism.

They care what Erdogan thinks, and he does give a crap. The AKP hates YPG so much that they gave half a million funbux to Michael Flynn to have him delay American support for any kind of Kurdish invasion of Raqqa. They don't want Kurds to have that symbolic honor.

>because the US can play the endangered ally card here in the region

Not when the Syrian government leaves Rojava alone. You could maybe imagine a scenario where Turkey bombs a Kurdish town and somehow tries to blame it on Assad but I doubt the Kurds themselves will actually fall for it and then just go along with a yankee invasion.


 No.1977720

>>1975286

>Neither will trying to revert back to a flawed status quo

as cynical as it sounds, that status quo held up alot better than what you have today in iraq, syria, libya, yemen….

>that's bound to result in the same instability eventually

US invasions, muslim brotherhood and the arab spring werent random coincidences, you know that right?

>You can't just pretend that the Syrian Government's policies had nothing to do with the civil war

actually assads "liberal" policies that easened the strict goverment control grip on social and political aspects of citizens life and the release of hundreds of dangerous political prisoners did. oh, and then theres those policies that werent approved of by the US, israel, gulf states, EU and turkey.

>The mere existence of the YPG and SDF does not necessitate their control of by the US intelligence services

youre right, its vice versa

>By accepting military help, none of which has translated to economic of political ties? How is this a backdoor when the US has no way of actually maintaining these bases without the consent of the DFSNS

the US has "consent" and they have bases. and they can just make them consent more by showing them the other option which is the danger from their local neighbours.

>Not an argument

let me rephrase it

<considering the chain of events, tendencies and rethorics of involved powers it is safe to speculate towards my point

and

>taking the official narrative without a boatload of salt

now thats just plain apeal to authority

>Literally can make the same argument for why every revolution that has so far happened is bad and should be condemned

except youre not taking into consideration the conditions and contexts present with specific revolution. its one thing to challange the status quo where it must be challanged but its another when anykind of chaos is the norm

> I don't see how this proves to be that you're not just as bad as sucdems

socdems are usually passive centrist cunts that want to hold power at the expense of the working class support and play pretend.

just because i might appear wanting to maintain a status quo (for the longterms sake) doesent mean id even associate with them. the socdems in my country are a bunch of EU patsies that are only useful for keeping some seats in tha parliament away from the right wing parties.


 No.1979036

>>1977720

I still don't see any reason to support Assad's government over the YPG.


 No.1980800

bump


 No.1980968

>>1979036

cuz the YPG are backed/controlled by the U.S and and a certain apartheid state


 No.1981014

The Rojava Revolution: The Revolution of Economic Achievements and Return to Communal Economy

>What distinguish the Rojava revolution from some other revolutions are the difference in the mentality; the mindset; the self administration that has been working since its onset to satisfy the needs of citizens, protect the land and safeguard the rights of the people as much as possible, in spite of the limited resources.

>As the revolution enters its sixth year, we would like to shed some light on the achievements of this revolution in the public service sector, the economy and the environment.

>The Ba’ath party adopted many policies in building factories in Rojava, never giving permission to build any unless it suited its own agendas and interests, and that made the regions of Rojava reliant on imports of manufactured products from the interior cities of Syria, like Aleppo and Damascus, or from abroad, which led the prices to go up, and caused unemployment and emigration. These policies were made systematically in order to subordinate and undermine people.

>The economic situation deteriorated in most regions of Syria, due to the path that the Syrian revolution took: foreign aggression, the repressive policies of the regime, the brutality of the mercenaries of Daesh [ISIS], the exploitation of the situation for private gain in the vacuum in security by certain individuals who hid behind the disguise of the ‘revolution’ and stole the natural resources. People in Syria suffered in combat zones; where the economy collapsed; diseases and famine became widespread, and hundreds of thousands of people emigrated to safe areas in Rojava, where the situation was still under control with the efforts of the people who kept it safe, and deterred attacks of the mercenaries. After the announcement of the Democratic Self Administration in 2014, institutions were organised and local councils and committees were formed, which concentrated their efforts on the economic situation in the region. One of the missions of the economic committee was to support the agricultural, industrial and commercial projects throughout Rojava, with the aim of reaching self-sufficiency, curbing monopoly and exploitation, reducing unemployment and activating the work force, both male and female.

https://cooperativeeconomy.info/the-rojava-revolution-the-revolution-of-economic-achievements-and-return-to-communal-economy/


 No.1981019

>>1980968

I understand that, but what about the off change they succesfully become and independent state? They've gotten farther than anybody else in the world so far towards actual Socialism, at this point it's a bet I'm willing to make.


 No.1981546

This used to be the best general on this board, with acctual discusion, news and shit. Now its just the tankie sperg out thread.


 No.1981675

>>1981546

Blame the BO


 No.1981944

>>1981675

BO you fuggin thot I cant belive you've done this


 No.1981950

>>1981546

because this is becoming a tanky board


 No.1981977

>>1981950

I feel its becoming more of a Leftcom board tbh.

But regarding Rojava; you guys think they will "spread" the revolution in any way after the war? To Iraq or Tureky perphaps?


 No.1982116

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>>1943604

Noone supports them. /pol/ got Assad and lefty/pol/ got YPG (though many of us also support Assad). The only people supporting FSA unironically are liberals who believe in CNN and shit. They also still believe the FSA to be "moderate". They are jihadis and were all along.


 No.1982157

>>1982131

>STUPID SHIT

When you take it to the context of the middle east it ain't really so


 No.1982200

>>1981977

if the day ever comes that DFNS becomes an official entity and no longer has to spend half its income on defense then the number one priority will become the arming, funding and training of PKK fighters for operations in Iraq and Turkey.

This is the one thing Turkroaches are actually completely justified in being paranoid about - the DFNS administration absolutely has the long term goal of destabilising Turkey as much as possible, though obv they have to deny this for diplomatic reasons.

Iraqi Kurdistan will be the next stop on this neverending carnage train, after the referendum there will be a power struggle between nationalists (KDP) backed by Turkey and leftists backed by PKK, YPG and possibly Baghdad.


 No.1982277

>>1982200

how strong is the rad left in Iraqi Kurdistan is? I know the nationalists are the ruling party there, but are there any major DemCon parties there?


 No.1982302

>>1982157

not if you're a newly converted /pol/fag that still likes to imagine everything lgbt related is tumblr girls screeching about anita sarkeesian.


 No.1982442

>>1979036

becuz less people die in future


 No.1982446

>>1981546

>from circlejerk to shitfest

oh well


 No.1982454

>>1981977

turkey will have same territorial results as till now. also the US will pressure not to do that.

iraq will be a gunpowder barrel when youll have kurd ministates in the north and iran backed goverment in the rest of the country.


 No.1982480

>>1982277

KDP is the "ruling" party of President Barzani and is anti-PKK and is a Turkish shill. Theres also the PUK who are friendly with the PKK and Iran. The KDP control the NW and the PUK the SE, they share power and most Peshmerga units are party aligned. Then you have Gorran who formed a few years ago from PUK and a few KDP members and became the second biggest party after the KDP in the last elections, they are friendly with the PKK also. On paper the KDP are tribalist/conservative and PUK and Gorran are centre-left.

The PUK and KDP are corrupt af and basically give everyone oil money while taking more from themselves and building shopping malls, worked fine until the oil prices fell right after ISIS invaded, was so bad that peshmerga where leaving the front to work because they hadn't been paid. This was part of the reason Gorran formed back in 2009. I think there's an internal rift inside the PUK with some wanting to form an alliance with Gorran but then they made an agreement with the KDP, their leader has been ill for a few years now, also Gorran's leader just died a few months ago so they may of weakened. Also the KDP have expelled Gorran from parliament and the capital and refuse another general election even though it's years late then went and called for an independence referendum as a distraction that could piss off Turkey, Baghdad and maybe Iran and the US.

The PUK and Gorran definately have people who are sympathetic to DemConfed and PUK Peshmerga special forces trained and fought along side the YPG, I've heard that Gorran's now deceased leader, former PUK commander against Saddam, was the one who put the US in contact with the YPG to get airstrikes in Kobane. The PKK have gained a huge amount of respect and support since 2014 and more Iraqi Kurds started joining them as they seen them as more motivated, less corrupt, fighting for a cause, etc. People seem generally pissed cause the economy's gone to shit and the KDP cracked down hard on protests in the capital. As well as their stronghold in Sinjar with the YBS the PKK are in Makhmour refugee camp and alongside PUK peshmerga around the Kirkuk front.

TBH this doesn't even scrape the surface of what I know and I still don't understand Kurdish politics or have any idea what's going to happen after 2 to 3 years of daily lurking on twitter and reddit


 No.1982512

>>1980968

>da joos

>>pol

Seriously though I don't know if Israel considers Turkey too good of an ally to get involved with Rojava or is scared of them arming Hamas, probably the latter since the head of Iran's army just visited Turkey


 No.1982665

>>1982480

So if I understood this correctly, Rojava dont have any concrete allies in Iraq, but there are a bunch of people that would fight with Rojava/the YPG if shit went down


 No.1982706

>>1982512

who sais israel refuses to get involved with rojava?


 No.1983527

>>1982665

YBS/YJS are concrete allies and they've sent units to help with YPG in Raqqa.


 No.1983536

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 No.1983628

>>1942865

the hate for iran is getting pretty autistic

like yeah its an islamist shithole but why that specific islamist shithole?


 No.1983648

>>1981546

all thanks to BO for not logging off while having a severe mental breakdown. thanks BO


 No.1983684

>>1949051

>it's saudi propaganda to think that the qatar state is bad

yeah and it's qatari propaganda to think the saudi state is bad. They're laughably similar.

>>1949330

>why won't m'lady swallow the redpill, l've destroyed feminisim with my libertarian logical thought

we don't do idpol here

also there is no way OP could realisitically hang about with a girl

>>1950413

I agree. a sort of temporary commune where people live as like a sort of right of passage, or for weirdos to self segregate, would be useful. But just making a small scale male aparthied is like the cringiest tumblr fetish thing I can think of.

but anyone who's defending the Kurds out of their "Communist Ideals" and not a respect for the right to self determination is an idiot. Their revolution hasn't really done any of the things a revolution to predate communism.

>>1959741

there is no such thing as a communist revolution. Revolutions are borne of material conditions, not ideology. it is up to communists to "build" communism through the revolution.




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