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 No.1964293

Former libertarian-centrist here. Just wanting to say that I was irrationally scared of Marx and his teachings because of all the useful idiots spreading da evil marxist frankfurt school meme everywhere.

Here are some good videos about them.

hbomerguy's video is what made me realize this was all stupid. (yes i'm a retard)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veBoQJogOAk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhhGmwxZ5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYQo6LI3Y7c

 No.1964419

bump


 No.1964439

I blame the faggot foucault


 No.1964464

>>1964439

also the sad thing is the Marx and Engels where more cultured than 90% of the right wing twats.


 No.1964686

A lot of people are scared of our movement because of stupid conspiracies. You're right OP, we should always debunk them.


 No.1964764

>>1964439

that's ironic, considering Foucault was a self styled 'classical liberal' and admirer of Hayek.


 No.1964865

I agree


 No.1973104

>>1964464

b-but they were trying to destroy the white race


 No.1973114

it's been debunked a million times, but we don't own youtube and the media like the right does


 No.1973136

>>1973114

only recently found left youtube and it's great. Although their videos are usually longer than right youtubers'.

Might be good to work on short videos for people with small attention spans.


 No.1973284

I dunno, I was converted precisely because people kept parroting this obviously-propagandish phrase and it made me finally decide to go look up actual Marxism.


 No.1973302

Cultural Marxism

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gIdBuK7_g3M

Erich Fromm, Judaism and the Frankfurt School

http://pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/Illumina%20Folder/kell24.htm

Frankfurt School

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

The Frankfurt School: Conspiracy to Corrupt

http://incogman.net/2009/05/the-frankfurt-school-conspiracy-to-corrupt/

Frankfurt School of Social Research

http://jettandjahn.com/2010/10/frankfurt-school-of-social-research/

The Frankfurt School & Cultural Marxism

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ghx3d1GiAc0

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fkcy7256tBM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fG6TcYfpQOg

The Frankfurt School of Social Research and the Pathologization of Gentile Group Allegiances

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/chap5.pdf

Frankfurt School - Satanic Judaism in Action

http://www.henrymakow.com/frankfurt-school-satanic-judaism-in-action.html

Freud, the Frankfurt School and the Kabbalah

http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/blog/holiness-sin-freud-frankfurt-school-and-kabbalah

The History of Political Correctness

https://youtube.com/watch?v=acjIw7cVc2k

How a Handfull of Marxist Jews Turned Western and U.S. Culture Upside Down

http://davidduke.com/how-a-handfull-of-marxist-jews-turned-western-and-us-culture-upside-down/

The Jewish Frankfurt School and the End of Western Civilization

http://www.dailystormer.com/the-jewish-frankfurt-school-and-the-end-of-western-civilization/

The New Dark Age: The Frankfurt School and "Political Correctness"

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/921_frankfurt.html

Who Stole Our Culture?

http://www.wnd.com/2007/05/41737/


 No.1973351

>>1973302

>debunking 17 links for an audience who doesn't want to listen to commie shills

I rather not.


 No.1973490

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>terrorism-illuminati.com

>debunking

WEW


 No.1973557

File: 34cf8403fb0dc9c⋯.png (66.89 KB, 225x225, 1:1, ClipboardImage.png)

What is this even supposed to mean? I imagine even if the creator explained their intentions to me it would still be completely retarded.


 No.1974010

>>1964293

>We need to do more to end the lie of cultural marxism

that would require people to not associate marxism with satan and actually give a fuck about what's fact and what's not

even if the first condition was met the second will never be


 No.1974076

But there's a connection, no?

I mean, Marxism started the critical theory school, which is highly influential to sjw studies. Or i am wrong?


 No.1974225

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/leftypol/ has been EXPOSED as the kike communist shills they are!


 No.1974261

Why would we do this?

They keep telling themselves we are all such-and-such a thing and get bold, then get their shit pushed in when they fight us.

They keep being surprised and shocked when we don't do as they expect us to.

They are our mortal fucking enemy, don't you see the value in it to let him believe whatever bullshit he wants and remain consistently unpredictable as targets?


 No.1974279

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>>1974225

>marxism

>literal casts

these dense tinfoil stormfags are so ignorant it's barely conceivable for me


 No.1974309

>>1974279

Also bankers on the top, it's like some abstract combination of actual marxism and antisemitic nazi shenanigans what de fug


 No.1974337

>Literally trying to convince people that cultural marxism isn't real with a literal SJW.

I know the last days are being very good to you, but you may be asking for a miracle here. Can't you just pick someone who doesn't ooze with ideology?


 No.1974374

Well, Frankfurt School is a jewish product, and a lot of us are in a state of denial or suspicious dodging.


 No.1974404

>>1974309

nazbol


 No.1974631

Man, I have argued a lot of times against it, repeating the same arguments several times, and I always won the discussion for whatever it was worth, but I've never seen one of them admit to their mistake or change their opinion. They keep coming back to the same old propaganda. I have come to the conclusion that debunking reactionary bullshit is not only difficult because it takes much more time and effort to debunk bullshit than to create it. It's also pointless, because they just plain don't care about dialectics. You can't reason with people who abandoned reason. Fascists and their generic clones come to a conclusion with their guts, then use their diminutive brains to come up with sophistry, lies and even delusions to defend it. The few of them who are both smart and sane know full well they're spreading bullshit, but they don't care because that's what reactionaries do.


 No.1974649

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>>1974374

>Well, Frankfurt School is a jewish product, and a lot of us are in a state of denial or suspicious dodging.


 No.1974672

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 No.1975335

>>1974631

Good thing it's not the nazi you are arguing with you need to convince. It's everyone else that sees the argument.


 No.1975367

>>1974631

emphasise the shared interests of the working class against capitalism, avoid virtue signalling and identity politics. paint rightism and fascism as lies/divisive tactics perpetuated by the ruling classes. I've found this strategy works quite well even with right leaning edgelords and fence sitters.


 No.1975447

>>1975367

if an alt right faggot starts claiming the left is about hating/attacking whites, don't play into their game. turn the tables on them, it is the right that is being manipulated by the ruling classes. nazis tend to become outright baffled when you do this, as their whole rhetorical strategy relies on painting the left as tumblr sjw strawmen. talk about the importance of real, local sustainable community vs. the imagined community of 'race'. Don't bother defending liberals. highlight the fact the left is against liberalism.


 No.1975877

>>1975335

I guess that arguing online sort of lacks that incentive of seeing the crowd.


 No.1975898

>>1974225

It has always amazed me how they are able to make the absurd cognative leap necessary to conflate a bunch of atheists who seek the destruction of capital with religious bankers. It is a hilarious absurdity.


 No.1975916

>>1975898

it's not about religion, it's about jews being scary alien scapegoats that feel biologically compelled to destroy the white race. Nazism is a high capitalist paranoid fantasy, a malignant counterpart to David Icke's reptoid narrative. In a way it is a natural and understandable, almost instinctive reaction to accelerated deterritorialisation brought on by capitalism.


 No.1976132

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It's actually a fairly simple argument when you trim away the strawmen/kooks and ideological bias (which is to be expected when, as an identity, you are aligned with the concepts/beliefs the Western Marxists espouse). You would obviously expect a neo-conservative to be blind to a lack of substantive evidence justifying an invasion into foreign land or support for some crusade against global terrorism.

The 'kooks' and strawmen I referenced above being the whole "Jacob Schiff financed the Jews to x, y, z and you have feminism now which is why I can't get laid" or "Bush is actually a Marxist plant". It is very convenient to make gross leaps of logic and misrepresentation when it comes to framing a historical argument or to fixate on unsupported arguments steeped in some weird complex of 'everything is ___'. While it is true that Schiff did play an influential role alongside many Jews all across the globe, from a board member on the NAACP to (as the chairman of Kuhn, Loeb & Co.) an important financing agent for the Bolshevik movement (which he makes reference to here: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9B04EFDD143AE433A25753C2A9659C946696D6CF), alongside Israel Lazarevich Gelfand (through Hans Freiherr von Wangenheim). But he isn't the reason 'feminism' or 'anti-racism' exist, it is more nuanced than that.

The main argument is that critical theory exists (and is referenced/utilized as a lens of observation/analysis within the works of the Western Marxists who immigrated to the US), it is multi-faceted and observably applied to other social patterns/analysis as a school of thought, and that the founders were kicked out of Germany for two primary reasons.

To the first, it's obvious that the body of work, from 'the Authoritarian Personality' to 'Authority and the family', clearly exists. The main issue is how to interpret them and a centralized theme among them which has been applied further. That leads into the second point, which finds the answer in 'critical theory'. It's simply a cultural analysis as a means to solve the 'worker's revolution', by definition of its first usage/coinage. Examining the current social/cultural paradigms and coming to a conclusion from a Marxist lens. All 'Cultural Marxism' really 'notes' is how you can observe critical theory and its various derivatives, such as critical race theory, black feminism, gender studies, queer theory, and other forms of social criticisms (one famous example being the positivism dispute). The point isn't that 'these Marxists invented feminism'. It's simply observing the body of work and its purported goals as a derivative of critical theory/its methodology applied to cultural/societal trends (albeit with different goals). It's just pointing out that critical theory is a tool utilized by more than one revolutionary group instead of arguing out of a deliberately narrow historical mindset.

On the third, it's another historical fact that the members of the Frankfurt School were primarily Jewish and Marxist (although they fell out of favour with some Marxists for their interpretations, but that isn't the point I'm making here); this made them doubly unwelcome in the new German Reich, so they were forced to leave and settle in the US, where they operated as a 'think tank'.

It's only a 'conspiracy' if you assume it's some hidden and unpublished fact, which is not the case, and if you give credence to the kooks using the term incorrectly.


 No.1976946

>>1973351

this is why you're losing


 No.1977241

>>1976132

To add, just looking at one (as even the wiki describes him, "a leading scholar of critical race theory") example of a critical theorist (of the racial derivation, that is) like David Theo Goldberg, we can examine some of the main points raised while 'trimming the fat', like I said.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Theo_Goldberg

>David Theo Goldberg (born January 8, 1952) is a South African professor working in the United States, known for his work in critical race theory, and in more recent years, the digital humanities.

>Goldberg is a leading scholar of critical race theory and has delivered invited lectures on this subject at universities across the world (listen to a KPFA interview). His work is the subject of "On the State of Race Theory: A Conversation with David Theo Goldberg".[3] Goldberg's extensive research ranges over issues of political theory, race and racism, ethics, law and society, critical theory, cultural studies and, increasingly, digital humanities.

>Goldberg has authored a number of books, including The Threat of Race (2008); The Racial State (2002); Racial Subjects: Writing on Race in America (1997); Racist Culture: Philosophy and the Politics of Meaning (1993); and Ethical Theory and Social Issues: Historical Texts and Contemporary Readings (1989/1995).

>He has edited or co-edited several collections, including Anatomy of Racism (1990) and Multiculturalism: A Critical Reader (1995) and is the founding co-editor of Social Identities: Journal for the Study of Race, Nation and Culture.

On the critical race theory page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

>Critical race theory (CRT) is a theoretical framework in the social sciences focused upon the application of critical theory, a critical examination of society and culture, to the intersection of race, law, and power.

>According to the UCLA School of Public Affairs:

>"CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society. The individual racist need not exist to note that institutional racism is pervasive in the dominant culture. This is the analytical lens that CRT uses in examining existing power structures. CRT identifies that these power structures are based on white muh privilege and white supremacy, which perpetuates the marginalization of people of color."


 No.1977249

>>1977241

>>1976132

>Legal scholar Roy L. Brooks has defined CRT as "a collection of critical stances against the existing legal order from a race-based point of view", and says

>"it focuses on the various ways in which the received tradition in law adversely affects people of color not as individuals but as a group. Thus, CRT attempts to analyze law and legal traditions through the history, contemporary experiences, and racial sensibilities of racial minorities in this country. The question always lurking in the background of CRT is this: What would the legal landscape look like today if people of color were the decision-makers?"

Same link, the 'key elements' category really drives home the point.

>Critical race theory draws on the priorities and perspectives of both critical legal studies and conventional civil rights scholarship, while sharply contesting both of these fields. Angela P. Harris describes CRT as sharing "a commitment to a vision of liberation from racism through right reason" with the civil rights tradition.It deconstructs some premises and arguments of legal theory and simultaneously holds that legally constructed rights are incredibly important. In Angela P. Harris' view, as described by Derrick Bell, critical race theory is committed to "radical critique of the law (which is normatively deconstructionist) and … radical emancipation by the law (which is normatively reconstructionist)."

>CRT's theoretical elements are provided by a variety of sources. Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic have documented the following major themes as characteristic of work in critical race theory:

>A critique of liberalism: CRT scholars favor a more aggressive approach to social transformation as opposed to liberalism's more cautious approach, favor a race-conscious approach to transformation rather than liberalism's embrace of color blindness, and favor an approach that relies more on political organizing, in contrast to liberalism's reliance on rights-based remedies.

>Storytelling/counterstorytelling and "naming one's own reality"—using narrative to illuminate and explore experiences of racial oppression.

>Revisionist interpretations of American civil rights law and progress—criticizing civil rights scholarship and anti-discrimination law. An example is Brown v. Board of Education. Derrick Bell, one of CRT's founders, argued that civil rights advances for blacks coincided with the self-interest of white elitists. Mary Dudziak performed extensive archival research in the US Department of State and US Department of Justice, as well as the correspondence by US ambassadors abroad. She found that passing of the laws in the US was not because people of color were discriminated against, rather it was to improve the image of the US to Third World countries that the US needed as allies during the Cold War.

>Applying insights from social science writing on race and racism to legal problems


 No.1977253

>>1977249

>The intersections theory is the examination of race, sex, class, national origin, and sexual orientation, and how their combination plays out in various settings, e.g., how the needs of a Latina female are different from those of a black male and whose needs are the ones promoted.

>Essentialism philosophy—reducing the experience of a category (gender or race) to the experience of one sub-group (white women or African-Americans). Basically, all oppressed people share the commonality of oppression. However, that oppression varies by gender, class, race, etc., so the aims and strategies will differ for each of these groups.

>Non-white cultural nationalism/separatism, Black nationalism—exploring more radical views arguing for separation and reparations as a form of foreign aid.

>Legal institutions, critical pedagogy, and minority lawyers in the bar.

>The concept of structural determinism, or how "the structure of legal thought or culture influences its content," is a mode of thought or widely shared practice which determines significant social outcomes. Usually this occurs without conscious knowledge and because of this, our system cannot redress certain kinds of wrongs.

>White muh privilege refers to the myriad of social advantages, benefits, and courtesies that come with being a member of the dominant race, such as a clerk not following you around in a store or not having people cross the street at night to avoid you.

>Microaggression refers to the sudden, stunning, or dispiriting transactions that mar the days of oppressed individuals. These include small acts of racism consciously or unconsciously perpetrated and act like water dripping on a rock wearing away at it slowly. Holocausts are based on the assumptions about racial matters that are absorbed from cultural heritage.

>Empathic fallacy is the belief that one can change a narrative by offering an alternative narrative in hopes that the listener's empathy will quickly and reliably take over. Empathy is not enough to change racism as most people are not exposed to many people different from themselves and people mostly seek out information about their own culture and group.

>Cheryl I. Harris and Gloria Ladson-Billings add the theoretical element of whiteness as property. They describe whiteness as the ultimate property which whites alone can possess. It is valuable and is property. The 'property functions of whiteness'—rights to disposition, rights to use and enjoyment, reputation and status property, and the absolute right to exclude—make the American dream a more likely and attainable reality for whites as citizens. For a CRT critic, the white skin color that some Americans possess is like owning a piece of property. It grants muh privileges to the owner that a renter (or a person of color) would not be afforded.

It goes on, but to dissociate critical theory and claim its analysis has only been used in one sense (i.e. not derived and further utilized as a tool that is fluid, used for cultural analysis) is not supported by any evidence.


 No.1977259

>>1964293

Just like Darwinism can be applied to a hundred different things, so can Marxism.

Its straightforward and bland enough to fit a lot of issues, so people use it.

I don't get your issue, just say you are an economic Marxist or whatever.


 No.1977279

>>1977259

'economic' marxism is the only marxism thats actually marxism, if you want to call adorno a marxist even tho he didnt even believe in the LTV or that capitalism exploited workers, you might as well call spinoza and hegel and aristotle 'proto marxists' or 'idealist marxists'. see how stupid that sounds? For that matter by their own logic the alt right is derived from post modernism(of nick land, etc) and therefore they are by their own logic cultural marxists. see how stupid that is?


 No.1977284

>>1977259

plus darwininism can't be applied to many things its to explain evolution 'Social darwininism' is just a retarded attempt to map biology onto social issues, it doesn't work and its not darwinism


 No.1977542

>>1977279

>>1977284

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism#Distinctive_elements

>Although there have been many schools of Marxist thought that are sharply distinguished from Marxism–Leninism—such as Austromarxism or the Left Communism of Antonie Pannekoek or Rosa Luxemburg—those theorists who downplay the primacy of economic analysis are considered Western Marxists, as they concern themselves instead with abstract and philosophical areas of Marxism. In its earliest years, Western Marxism's most characteristic element was a stress on the Hegelian and humanist components of Karl Marx's thought.

>Western Marxism often emphasises the importance of the study of culture for an adequate Marxist understanding of society. Western Marxists have thus elaborated often-complex variations on the theories of ideology and superstructure, which are only thinly sketched in the writings of Marx and Engels themselves.

That's because they aren't "Marxists" (if by that you mean to equate Luxemburg with Adorno), there is a nuance when it comes to analyzing the viewpoints these individuals/groups held. They were referred to as "Western Marxists". If you ideologically disagree with their viewpoints because they weren't "true Marxists" like "__", that's fine, but you cannot dispute the terminology as it is apt considering the origin/influence on the school of thought.

Just because an individual is not perfectly aligned with a set of ideals doesn't mean that he cannot be aligned with such a platform. For example, you can support gay marriage but disagree with marijuana legalization, that will still make you pro-gay marriage (and, to an extent, in favour of the government letting marriage proceed without restriction). You just have to analyze the nuance, like the Western Marxist positions regarding various concepts/beliefs.

To the same point, the 'alt-right' is also a very broad term and there is some nuance that is dismissed. It can just as equally contain paleo-conservatives as it can neo-conservatives. You have to examine what specific viewpoints you're discussing and how they can relate to post-modernist schools of thought.

Social Darwinism isn't actually really just 'mapping biology onto social issues', that's an over-simplification. It's basically pointing out that societies can be dysgenic in what they promote/dismiss. Arbitrarily maintaining people with learning disabilities through means of taxpayer dollars (i.e. providing healthcare to them in order to allow for their survival) is a manipulation of the events as they would unfold without the aforementioned restriction (imposed on the taxpayer). Those traits are societally selected to survive, even if it is for one generation, even though without the lifeboat providing assistance, they would not be around for long. Welfare is another example. Any societal safety net or collective fund is allowing for the promotion of those who are disenfranchised instead of letting them fail. It's wrong to do so just as it was wrong to bail out the banks during financial crises: let them fail as they should. That's the position. If you let them fail, it will be for the best on a long-term time scale.


 No.1977587

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>>1977542

>if by that you mean to equate Luxemburg with Adorno

Luxemburg actually was a marxist she belived in the LTV and died fighting in a communist revolution.

Furthermore the reason we are so triggered by this retarded everything i don't like is marxism meme is that rightist usually try to say not merely that the frankfurt school existed but that its part of some grand probably jewish conspiracy to degrade culture and the Hwhite race. Its to the fucking point where we're getting into debates with retarded rightists where they claim miley cyrus twerking her ass to degenerate Hwhite society = """Marxism""". Its fucking infuriating, none of this shit has anything to do with anything marx remotely wrote!

Adorno is just neohegelian trash and any connection he had with marx is tenuous at best. He rejected the enlightenment while marx/engels saw socialism as a fulfillment of liberal values where capitalism couldn't actually do it. He rejected the LTV, he rejected exploitation theory and thought capitalism was good for workers, and that its true crime was degrading authentic pre capitalist culture (which is basically an inversion of marx as well) Face it, if /pol/ wasn't so obsessed with jerking off to the fact that he was an evol joo, they would realize that his ideas are actually proto fash and pretty far removed from 'marxism'. Richard Spencer is basically a fucking adornoist


 No.1977608

>>1977587

>ass twerking will destroy america and the white race and by logical extension, capitalism

LONG LIVE THE IMMORTAL SCIENCE OF MARXISM-LENINISM-CYRUSISM! All hail chairman miley!


 No.1977646

>>1977587

>Luxemburg actually was a marxist she belived in the LTV and died fighting in a communist revolution.

Another inconsistent set of beliefs. Then the criteria include: dying in a revolution and believing in the LTV. That doesn't make somebody a Marxist. You do not have to be in unanimous decision with an ideology or set of beliefs/principles to believe in it, in part. You can believe in small government but also believe in large government intervention, that doesn't mean you can't be described as a small-government advocate when it comes to, for example, gay marriage but also described as a big-government advocate when it comes to things like marijuana. Those two things can be true at the same time because in reality, individual opinions and beliefs are inter-connected and exist on a spectrum, not mutually exclusive at all times.

>the reason we are so triggered by this retarded everything i don't like is marxism meme is that rightist usually try to say not merely that the frankfurt school existed but that its part of some grand probably jewish conspiracy to degrade culture and the Hwhite race

You're missing the main point I just emphasized: the Western Marxists were not Marxist in the same sense that Luxemburg was a Marxist. Read the excerpts I linked here and the full page, there is a clear distinction that I made from the link itself: >>1977542

You're also missing the three central points I made on the argument itself here: >>1976132

It's not so much "Marxism" itself because I've already explained the school of thought known as Western Marxism and what it purports to examine/how it does so (i.e. conflating my assessment as equating the point to Marxism as a whole is a strawman). It's critical theory and its derivatives. That's the entire point and origin/influence I was referencing. Again, by definition, it isn't a conspiracy because it isn't some unpublished and hidden issue: it's clear as day and free for everyone to see. If by 'degrade', you mean promote concepts like reparation payments, black nationalism, white muh privilege, and so on, then yes, critical theoretical derivatives, such as critical race theory, purported by prominent scholars within the field (such as David Theo Goldberg) are, in part, influenced by Jews and 'degrading' the white race. The creation of the 'tool', as I call it, was overwhelmingly Jewish. That lies on the third point I made.

>miley cyrus twerking her ass to degenerate Hwhite society = """Marxism""".

Can you provide me an example of such a statement, where somebody said that CM is Miley Cyrus twerking? What should be said is that gender studies, critical of traditional culture setting societal standards of male/female sexuality, has resulted in behaviors like Miley Cyrus being able to twerk on national television. It's not calling that 'Marxism', it's pointing out that Western Marxists developed the tool that is utilized to examine/analyze culture and extrapolate conclusions based on who/what is oppressing a group of people/by what means.


 No.1977676

>>1977587

>Its fucking infuriating, none of this shit has anything to do with anything marx remotely wrote!

I know, I'm not saying it did. Unless you can show me where I referenced such a conclusion, it's just your implications run wild. Within the first paragraph, I made it clear that the 'kooks' making such weird comparisons ought to be dismissed upfront.

>He rejected the LTV, he rejected exploitation theory and thought capitalism was good for workers, and that its true crime was degrading authentic pre capitalist culture (which is basically an inversion of marx as well)

That doesn't mean he wasn't a Western Marxist. This assertion that schools of thought cannot be moulded by different time periods and influenced by different environments is preposterous. Neo-liberals are not equivalent to liberals, but that doesn't mean that, in part, neo-liberalism does not draw its origin/influence from the original liberal movements (for example, the principles of French liberalism). It's simply a remodelled movement with a different viewpoint with common ancestry to the starting point (in my example, liberalism).

>to the fact that he was an evol joo

This flies in the face of the conspiracy point you made above. By definition of a conspiracy, the average Joe like you or me would not even have the slightest clue that he was Jewish or what his motivations/beliefs were. That's the point of a conspiracy: that it's some grand scheme under the covers to rule over something/someone that the general public is kept in the dark about. The literature/its influences is public knowledge.

>actually proto fash and pretty far removed from 'marxism'

You mean 'proto fascist'? I thought you were sitting here talking about how remodelling a set of beliefs that take partial influence from an original set of beliefs was not possible, or that a set of beliefs could not evolve over time and adapt to a set of various climates/societal changes? Please explain, with proper citations with respect to the historical context, the difference/application of 'fascism' and 'proto-fascism'. In what way can you categorize Adorno as the precursor to the fascist movement (as a 'proto' fascist) if the movement predates him?


 No.1977864

>>1977542

muh sjw idpol has nothing to do with western marxists or the frankfurt school and everything to do with for profit corporate 'diversity consultants' in post 60s USA.


 No.1978092

>>1977646

>It's not calling that 'Marxism', it's pointing out that Western Marxists developed the tool that is utilized to examine/analyze culture and extrapolate conclusions based on who/what is oppressing a group of people/by what means.

>tool that is utilized to examine/analyze culture and extrapolate conclusions based on who/what is oppressing a group of people/by what means

Then that's not fucking Marxism. Yes it was a tool used by Marxists who let go of many core principles of Marxism but are still regarded as Marxists. That doesn't mean that they are literally the same as the academic "left". On the other hand, people like Gramsci and members of the Frankfurt school started a longer process of moving away from Marxism by focusing more on culture and thus the superstructure. This went so far later, the term Marxism itself was ditched and the whole base-superstructure relationship which is the basis of the Marxist and thus materialist view of society with people like Foucault who wanted to free our worldview from Hegel, which of course means Marx too. The postmodernists totally broke away from Marxism and did a great job of eradicating from academia, and they are the ones who are still defining it.

Let's say you have a 0,5 liter glass. You pour 0,1 liter vodka and 0,05 liter cola in it. Now you have a pretty thick vodka cola. Now you pour 6 liters of cola in the glass. Let me tell you one thing: I'm sure that now the drink has nothing to do with vodka.


 No.1979448

>>1978092

>Then that's not fucking Marxism.

I think you're missing the point I'm making. I'm not saying that it is "Marxism" in the sense that you are: it is an 'off-shoot', so to speak. Western Marxism has a "common ancestor" in Marxist ideology. If you are ideologically opposed to them, that is besides the point to the similarities, in terms of worker's plights (only dealing with it in different ways and approaching the issue from with different viewpoints than yours).

>Yes it was a tool used by Marxists who let go of many core principles of Marxism but are still regarded as Marxists.

Sure, but that doesn't mean it isn't a branch of Marxist thought. For reference: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Marxism/Variants-of-Marxism

>Western Marxism, however, can be seen as a repudiation of Marxism-Leninism, although, when it was first formulated in the 1920s, its proponents believed they were loyal to the dominant Soviet Communist Party. Prominent figures in the evolution of Western Marxism included the central Europeans György Lukács, Karl Korsch, and Lucien Goldmann; Antonio Gramsci of Italy; the German theorists who constituted the Frankfurt School, especially Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno, Herbert Marcuse, and Jürgen Habermas; and Henri Lefebvre, Jean-Paul Sartre, and Maurice Merleau-Ponty of France.

>Western Marxism has been shaped primarily by the failure of the socialist revolution in the Western world. Western Marxists were concerned less with the actual political or economic practice of Marxism than with its philosophical interpretation, especially in relation to cultural and historical studies. In order to explain the inarguable success of capitalist society, they felt they needed to explore and understand non-Marxist approaches and all aspects of bourgeois culture. Eventually, they came to believe that traditional Marxism was not relevant to the reality of modern Western society.

>Marx had predicted that revolution would succeed in Europe first, but, in fact, the developing world proved more responsive. Orthodox Marxism also championed the technological achievements associated with capitalism, viewing them as essential to the progress of socialism. Experience showed the Western Marxists, however, that technology did not necessarily produce the crises Marx described and did not lead inevitably to revolution. In particular they disagreed with the idea, originally emphasized by Engels, that Marxism is an integrated, scientific doctrine that can be applied universally to nature; they viewed it as a critique of human life, not an objective, general science. Disillusioned by the terrorism of the Stalin era and the bureaucracy of the communist party system, they advocated the idea of government by workers’ councils, which they believed would eliminate professional politicians and would more truly represent the interests of the working class. Later, when the working class appeared to them to be too well integrated into the capitalist system, the Western Marxists supported more anarchistic tactics. In general, their views are more in accord with those found in Marx’s early, humanist writings rather than with his later, dogmatic interpretations.

>Western Marxism has found support primarily among intellectuals rather than the working class, and orthodox Marxists have judged it impractical. Nevertheless, the Western Marxists’ emphasis on Marx’s social theory and their critical assessment of Marxist methodology and ideas have coloured the way even non-Marxists view the world.


 No.1979449

>>1979448

>>1978092

>That doesn't mean that they are literally the same as the academic "left"

Never claimed such a thing.

>people like Gramsci and members of the Frankfurt school started a longer process of moving away from Marxism by focusing more on culture and thus the superstructure

Well, that's not honest. They didn't "move away" from it, they approached the issue at a different angle. Again, it is not uncommon for a set of beliefs to adapt with respect to dynamic environments/over time, and simply because you ideologically reject the revised set of beliefs does not mean that they are not influenced by some original movement.

Are you the same person who called Adorno a 'proto-fascist'? If so, respond to the point I made about your judgement on why you can call him a 'proto-fascist'.

>This went so far later, the term Marxism itself was ditched

In what way?

>The postmodernists totally broke away from Marxism and did a great job of eradicating from academia, and they are the ones who are still defining it.

According to? If you mean that they are not Marxists like the individuals you agree with, then that's what I've been saying this entire time. Doesn't mean they don't constitute a revised variant of Marxism.

>Let's say you have a 0,5 liter glass. You pour 0,1 liter vodka and 0,05 liter cola in it. Now you have a pretty thick vodka cola. Now you pour 6 liters of cola in the glass.

Do you understand how dilution works? You will still have 100 mL of vodka, so when you finish the 6.15 L of vodka/coke, you will still consume 100 mL, it will just be watered down and you'll have to go to the bathroom. A more apt analogy would be to compare the divide between paleo-conservatives and neo-conservatives. Both are still 'conservative' (in that they follow a conservative set of principles), they just disagree on how to reach common goals.


 No.1980840

>>1979449

>they just disagree on how to reach common goals.

postmodern liberals are not commies, they are capitalists who have nothing close to the same goals as communism. They think Marx was another dead white male and his historical theories are eurocentric


 No.1980960

>>1980840

>postmodern liberals are not commies

I never called them Communist. Stop putting words in my mouth.

>they are capitalists who have nothing close to the same goals as communism

If you ideologically disagree with their revised approach and methodology, that's fine. It doesn't mean that Western Marxism isn't a variant of Marxism. I've already addressed the point on societal/cultural changes when approaching a new set of principles over time. I'm not calling neo-libs equivalent to libs, I'm examining the common ancestry in both viewpoints.

For example, on the same link I referenced above on Maoism:

>When the Chinese communists took power in 1948, they brought with them a new kind of Marxism that came to be called Maoism after their leader Mao Zedong. The thought of Mao must always be seen against the changing revolutionary reality of China from 1930 onward. His thought was complex, a Marxist type of analysis combined with the permanent fundamentals of Chinese thought and culture.

>One of its central elements has to do with the nature and role of contradictions in socialist society. For Mao, every society, including socialist (communist) society, contained “two different types of contradictions”: (1) antagonistic contradictions—contradictions between us (the people) and our enemies (the Chinese bourgeoisie faithful), between the imperialist camp and the socialist camp, and so forth—which are resolved by revolution, and (2) nonantagonistic contradictions—between the government and the people under a socialist regime, between two groups within the Communist Party, between one section of the people and another under a communist regime, and so forth—which are resolved by vigorous fraternal criticism and self-criticism.

>The notion of contradiction is specific to Mao’s thought in that it differs from the conceptions of Marx or Lenin. For Mao, in effect, contradictions were at the same time universal and particular. In their universality, one must seek and discover what constitutes their particularity: every contradiction displays a particular character, depending on the nature of things and phenomena. Contradictions have alternating aspects—sometimes strongly marked, sometimes blurred. Some of these aspects are primary, others secondary. It is important to define them well, for if one fails to do so, the analysis of the social reality and the actions that follow from it will be mistaken. This is quite far from Stalinism and dogmatic Marxism-Leninism.


 No.1980961

>>1980960

>>1980840

>Another essential element of Mao’s thought, which must be seen in the context of revolutionary China, is the notion of permanent revolution. It is an old idea advocated in different contexts by Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky but lacking, in Mao’s formulation, the international dimension espoused by his predecessors. For Mao it followed from his ideas about the struggle of humans against nature (held from 1938, at least); the campaigns for the rectification of thought (1942, 1951, 1952); and the necessity of struggling against bureaucracy, waste, and corruption in a country then possessing 600 to 700 million inhabitants, where very old civilizations and cultures still permeated both the bourgeois classes and the peasantry, where bureaucracy was thoroughly entrenched, and where the previous society was extremely corrupt. It arose from Mao’s conviction that the rhythm of the revolution must be accelerated. This conviction appeared in 1957 in his speeches and became manifest in 1958 in the Great Leap Forward, followed in 1966 by the Cultural Revolution.

>Mao’s concept of permanent revolution rests upon the existence of nonantagonistic contradictions in the China of the present and of the future. The people must be mobilized into a permanent movement in order to carry forward the revolution and to prevent the ruling group from turning bourgeois (as he perceived it had in the Soviet Union). It is necessary to shape among the masses a new vision of the world by tearing them from their passivity and their century-old habits. This is the background of the Cultural Revolution that began in 1966, following previous campaigns but differing from them in its magnitude and, it would seem, in the mobilization of youth against the cadres of the party. In these campaigns Mao drew upon his past as a revolutionary Marxist peasant leader, from his life in the red military and peasant bases and among the Red Guards of Yen-an, seeking in his past experience ways to mobilize the whole Chinese population against the dangers—internal and external—that confronted it in the present.

It continues within the link above. Like I said before, the societal/cultural environment and context in which the principles are applied may have just cause to revise said beliefs in certain ways while still maintaining the analogous nature (with respect to the 'original set of beliefs'). Maoism isn't not a variant of Marxism just because you disagree with their revised application for the same reason that Western Marxism cannot be dismissed as a variant of Marxism.

>They think Marx was another dead white male and his historical theories are eurocentric

That's great, I'm not berating Marx's ideas: they were. My point has already been stated, quite clearly if I might say.


 No.1980997

>>1973302

>>1976946

Targeting hardened ideological opponents for conversion is a waste of time and resources.


 No.1981025

>>1980997

I've demonstrated my arguments clearly and presented supporting evidence for the claims precisely because it's common knowledge. You're more than welcome to address what reasonable issues you have with the three main points I've raised. At a cursory glance, Duke's link also discusses the main issue I raised: the derivatives of political correctness and its usage as a tool first developed by Western Marxists.


 No.1984517

>>1964764

source?


 No.1984769

File: d0e44b67a927d1d⋯.png (365.97 KB, 640x480, 4:3, 1445472779710.png)

Probably retarded idea but asking doesn't hurt.

Start and update a large online FAQ/question database elucidating common misconceptions of leftism or bullshit peddled by reactionaries regarding leftism. Question would be polled,and answers would be "crowdsourced" to avoid misinformation or bias, in a cycling thread for example.

So when you run into some dumbass in the wild spouting idiocy, instead of getting into the argument for the millionth time or just plain cussing at them, just politely send the link. If they have any interest in dialogue, they'll get back to you, if they don't you just saved youself a lot of time.


 No.1984836

>>1984769

It sounds good in theory but probably almost pointless in practice. People who have any intention to change their mind and inform themselves already have almost limitless options. People who don't will look into alternative facts.


 No.1984862

File: 9f6785bbb70bcaf⋯.png (59.17 KB, 793x588, 793:588, martinjay.png)


 No.1985092

>>1984862

>"The excerpt published by Castro suggested that the esoteric Frankfurt School of socialist academics worked with members of the Rockefeller family in the 1950s to pave the way for rock music to 'control the masses' by diverting attention from civil rights and social injustice."

>It was here that the techniques for mind control via pop music had been developed.

Nobody believes this and opting to examine unverifiable claims that can easily be dismissed doesn't actually demonstrate the non-existence of critical theory as it has been applied to other fields. This is exactly what I warned of above: guilt by association and dismissal of the central points on the basis of the unverifiable conspiracies. And I don't mean 'conspiracy' as a pejorative, I mean the exact definition. How do you prove the Bohemian grove or whatever rules over the world? What does it mean to rule over the world and how do they do it, with examples that are properly cited? The response will always be appealing to the unknowable because it's under the covers: making it a conspiracy to scheme that can't be proven. But that's not the central argument. The main point can really be condensed into an observation that critical theory is a tool for cultural/societal analysis and doesn't necessarily have to be restricted to one niche.


 No.1985123

To be truthful, I have no idea what the fuck "cultural Marxism" is suppose to mean or what people are even trying to say when they say it.

I unironically support whatever it is though, sounds sick.


 No.1986884

File: 37358638a964ffe⋯.pdf (611.63 KB, culturalmarxismdebunked.pdf)

>>1985123

It's the most intellectually dishonest fallacy in the right, and that's saying something. Just check Youtube for it and I'll see.


 No.1989231

>>1986884

Have you read your own link? It expands on the definition and precursors. It's an assessment, not a refutation. If it's a refutation, presupposing the conclusion and working backwards is intellectually dishonest. For example, "The definition subscribers of the conspiracy present is often rather crude: cultural Marxism is Marxism transposed from the domain of economics to that of culture. Such a proposition, at first glance, appears preposterous to those even vaguely familiar with Marxist theory."

"It's a conspiracy because it isn't Marxism" isn't an argument. None of the terms are even properly defined. By definition, it isn't a conspiracy: it's a method of cultural analysis by means of a tool (namely, critical theory). Reducing the conclusion to the extreme, it's simply claiming that Marxism is static and unchanging, as it is an ideology without nuance or dynamic elements that revise themselves depending on the circumstance/era. I've already addressed the ridiculousness of this argument by pointing out that the Western Marxists were not "Marxist" in the classical and restrictive sense of the phrase here: >>1977542

In your link, another preposterous and biased passage: "But such a conclusion is unjustifiable considering Moses

Hess’s nationalism was not as a doctrine of ethnic chauvinism. On the contrary, Hess was a lifelong

humanist who believed that national identity, while a legitimate source of self-identification,

in no way eclipsed one’s ethical commitments to members of other nationalities."

Hess was THE proto-Zionist. From his wiki: "You may don a thousand masks, change your name and your religion and your mode of life, creep through the world incognito so that nobody notices that you are a Jew yet every insult to the Jewish name will wound you more than a man of honour who remains loyal to his family and defends his good name."

"From 1861 to 1863 he lived in Germany, where he became acquainted with the rising tide of German antisemitism. It was then that he reverted to his Jewish name Moses (after apparently going by Moritz Hess) in protest against Jewish assimilation. He published Rome and Jerusalem in 1862. Hess interprets history as a circle of race and national struggles. He contemplated the rise of Italian nationalism and the German reaction to it, and from this he arrived at the idea of Jewish national revival, and at his prescient understanding that the Germans would not be tolerant of the national aspirations of others and would be particularly intolerant of the Jews. His book calls for the establishment of a Jewish socialist commonwealth in Palestine, in line with the emerging national movements in Europe and as the only way to respond to antisemitism and assert Jewish identity in the modern world."

I fail to see how "the establishment of a Jewish socialist commonwealth in Palestine" is humanist in any sense of the word, as it is fundamentally racialist and nationalist.


 No.1989245

>>1986884

The conclusion is just as flawed, too.

"In the final analysis, the conservatives heretofore critiqued have matters exactly backwards:

cultural liberalism (deceptively termed “cultural Marxism”), at least in its current incarnation, is

not corrosive to capitalism; it is its ideological compliment. It accommodates and expands the

opportunities for accumulation, while contributing to the mass delusion that all things are possible

in life except transcending class relations and generalized commodity production."

'Cultural liberalism' could not exist, what with its white guilt and female emancipation narrative, without the critical theory (as a derivation to that specific field). I've expanded on that point above. In summation, critical theory is not static and evolves to revive itself as a tool for cultural examination within a society to push a victim-complex on groups.

For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Theo_Goldberg

>David Theo Goldberg (born January 8, 1952) is a South African professor working in the United States, known for his work in critical race theory, and in more recent years, the digital humanities.

>Goldberg is a leading scholar of critical race theory and has delivered invited lectures on this subject at universities across the world (listen to a KPFA interview). His work is the subject of "On the State of Race Theory: A Conversation with David Theo Goldberg".[3] Goldberg's extensive research ranges over issues of political theory, race and racism, ethics, law and society, critical theory, cultural studies and, increasingly, digital humanities.

>Goldberg has authored a number of books, including The Threat of Race (2008); The Racial State (2002); Racial Subjects: Writing on Race in America (1997); Racist Culture: Philosophy and the Politics of Meaning (1993); and Ethical Theory and Social Issues: Historical Texts and Contemporary Readings (1989/1995).

>He has edited or co-edited several collections, including Anatomy of Racism (1990) and Multiculturalism: A Critical Reader (1995) and is the founding co-editor of Social Identities: Journal for the Study of Race, Nation and Culture.

On the critical race theory page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

>Critical race theory (CRT) is a theoretical framework in the social sciences focused upon the application of critical theory, a critical examination of society and culture, to the intersection of race, law, and power.

>According to the UCLA School of Public Affairs:

>"CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society. The individual racist need not exist to note that institutional racism is pervasive in the dominant culture. This is the analytical lens that CRT uses in examining existing power structures. CRT identifies that these power structures are based on white muh muh privilege and white supremacy, which perpetuates the marginalization of people of color."


 No.1989275

>>1986884

>>1989245

It is also fundamentally opposed to capitalism. Pushing towards social equality is absolutely opposed to capitalism, by every definition. It relies on an authority to act as an "equalizer" of sorts, to break down the alleged 'structure of oppression' keeping the minority/dispossessed groups down. So, examining the cultural impacts and the origins of those stereotypes against blacks, then enacting social programs aimed at arbitrarily inflating their worth in a marketplace, is fundamentally opposed to capitalism.

Another point of contention: Hence we find that the purportedly “Marxist” element of cultural Marxism solely concerns its emphasis on struggle—in contradistinction to conservative theories of class collaboration and hierarchical social harmony. Yet analysts have examined cultural matters from a Marxist perspective for well over a century; there is nothing particularly unique about the Frankfurt school in this regard, sans the relative weight its theoreticians placed on culture as an explanatory factor for social behavior and the broadly Freudian theory of mind they upheld. This, on its own, is of no societal consequence."

Just a side-note, "yet analysts" is a perfect example of the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word. There is no citation afterwards, either. Who, and on what grounds is their conclusion legitimate?

The entire premise is a conflation of Western Marxism with Marxism, something that is not done beyond the strawman that is set up. It's simply an ideological disagreement, not actually a substantive refutation of anything. If I want to debate the principle of neo-liberalism, I don't just attack it for not being as liberal as I want it to be. The entire issue at-hand is that their existence as a think tank and the subsequent influence was of societal detriment because of the precedents set forth after their arrival. It's missing the entire point of the argument.


 No.1989299

>>1986884

Another misrepresentation: "Given his outspoken opposition to finance capital in general, and Jewish financial practices in particular, it is a mystery how Nazi ideologues like Anton Drexler and Dietrich Eckart—and indeed many neo-fascist adherents of the cultural Marxism conspiracy theory—could seriously accuse Karl Marx, or his subsequent followers, of being in league with those very banking dynasties."

Again, with no supporting citation to prove such a claim is made. It's kind of odd that this piece is lauded around as an academic work if it does not bother to properly cite the allegations it raises against the "neo-fascists". Where are the citations that Drexler has claimed that Marx is both the wealthy Jewish financier and the dishevelled Jewish socialist?

Another example: "In truth, the only individual with whom Marx was capable of maintaining steady and amicable dialog was Friedrich Engels, a German gentile—who the ‘left-wing’ Nazi Otto Asser once alluded to in a futile effort to convince Adolf Hitler that the origins of socialism were not at all Jewish, incidentally. Engels’s critical role in the development of Marxism as a distinct school of thought is, as one might expect, frequently omitted by those who would have people believe Marxism is a Semitic instrument of domination. In the few instances Engels is mentioned without being trivialized, it is not uncommon for him to be accused of having also been a Jew, albeit of the crypto variety."

Who is claiming that the "origins of socialism were all Jewish"? This is a childish misrepresentation of factual information. By pointing out Jewish individuals within a group, that does not equate to the organization being "all Jewish". It is an observation of a pattern. This is, quite literally, a "not all" argument, and a poor one at that. "Look, Engels isn't a Jew!" That's fine, but that isn't actually the assertion. The assertion is that Marx is of ancestrally Jewish descent. That statement makes no claims on behalf of Engels' ancestry. Stating that Marxism was of Jewish origin in that it was the result of Jewish political philosophers doesn't mean that non-Jews were not involved, like Engels. Of course Engels played a relevant role, but the point is to examine Marx and the influence other ancestral Jews had. Claiming that other people also existed and were relevant doesn't negate the central point.


 No.1989318

>>1986884

On the following point: "Mass immigration’s benefit is obvious: it saturates the domestic market with surplus labor, thereby putting downward pressure on wages in certain sectors of the economy and erecting barriers to the formation of class solidarity. Speech codes, affirmative action, multiculturalism, and general ‘political correctness’ can best be understood as liberal mechanisms to regulate behavior in a manner which fosters racial tolerance while simultaneously solidifying the belief that capitalism’s class divisions are structured along genuinely meritocratic lines—meritocracy being the bourgeoisie’s principal self-legitimating ideological construct in the 21st century."

Mass migration is only beneficial if you believe that the alleged 'mutualist' nature of migration is actually mutualist, which it is not. The entire premise purported above is that mass migration is meant to be continual: a brain drain from the third world, drawing out their vital resources that they need to benefit their own nation. If you simply import all the engineers from some foreign land, you are never alleviating the conditions that promoted the migration in the first place, you're just siphoning brains that could be put to better use in solving the main problem, like a lack of education or proper healthcare. The argument is also pro-slavery, because importing slaves to work will also depress wages, next to nothing, so that the businesses will thrive. But that isn't capitalist because the work is meant to be voluntary. It also completely bypasses the issue of what the work is worth with respect to the economy of the region. The 'sweat shop' jobs are in high demand because it is labour that is better than the other job prospects in the region. They lift people out of poverty, and act as intermediaries between economic growth and failure.

The intellectual dishonesty is really made clear, as the author lacks knowledge of a free market and freedom of association. If I force you to higher somebody, are you free to do as you please? If you don't want to hire Asian people, that is your choice. If I force you otherwise, you are not operating in a free market. Quotas and diversity hires under affirmative action are not a part of free markets no matter how hard you want to strawman it. By any stretch of the definition, they are not "free" to do as they please, unless you think subservience is freedom.


 No.1989335

>>1986884

On the following point: Hypersexualization is another feature of contemporary culture groundlessly accredited to

cultural Marxism. Interestingly, Freudianism does bear some accountability in this development, although definitely not in its quasi-Marxian, Frankfurt school manifestation. Instead it can be traced to Sigmund Freud’s nephew, Edward Bernays. Often heralded as the “father of public relations,” Bernays was hired by several large corporations throughout the course of his life to consult on ad campaigns, and one of his main contributions was to recommend that these companies appeal to mankind’s baser instincts in order to more effectively instill in the public a desire for their commodities. His advice resulted in greater sales, and since then sexual themes have become a cornerstone in the capitalist marketing effort. But this Freudian connection is purely coincidental, as the commodification of sex—horrendously inhumane and distorting as it is— was just as inevitable a development of capitalism as labor power being mediated through the cash nexus. Nothing is sacred before the laws of accumulation…"

Again, misrepresenting critical theory and its derivatives as being one and the same. Interestingly enough, Bernays was also Jewish. I guess the author glossed over that fact, now he will follow up with all the non-Jews who also assisted in the field of public relations (so I guess calling him "the father of public relations" is bad because of the generalization, until you learn that he is Jewish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays#Family_and_education).

In fact, prior to lax sexual morals and the breakdown of traditional views on marriage, these views were not commonplace. The entire point is that these morals were subverted and replaced, and that these events were accelerated with the analysis of structures of oppression against minority groups (in this case, females and sexual liberation acting to free them from archaic views of sex and marriage, replacing female sexuality with male sexuality). Prior to, as the author's point, a Jewish "father of public relations", these advertisements were not acting in the hyper-sexual role. That isn't related to 'cultural Marxism' or critical theory, it's just a Jewish person utilizing, as his wiki says, "the masses as irrational and subject to herd instinct".


 No.1989380

>>1986884

All in all, a poorly structured examination more concerned with the history of Marx's colleagues/their anti-Semitism than it is with the work of the Frankfurt school/critical theory, as well as its subsequent derivations, like gender studies and critical race theory. It seems to be attacking a strawman nobody actually asserts while taking tangents that eat up most of the work. The only 'substantive refutations' occurred when the author called people anti-Semites and racists. Isn't exactly making the case that leftists are distinct from the socially progressive narrative of modern liberals, but I digress. I suggest engaging in debate that is relevant to the issue at-hand for future reference.


 No.1990318

>>1974279

You failed to understand the picture

It's a caste system for the capitalist society (which these cultural marxists are trying to overthrow)




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