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File: 4df8c8c6cd2569d⋯.png (961.29 KB, 800x520, 20:13, ClipboardImage.png)

 No.2263861

 No.2263882

https://twitter.com/SonKaleTurkiye2/status/932252236973072384

Seems the USA is still importing shit to over a dozen US military bases in Syria from the KRG despite the Iraqi conflict.


 No.2263885

Raqqa Finished, over a dozen US military bases in Syria has almost no where left to expand. When the Syrian Civil War ends, how much longer will we have these threads?


 No.2263888

>>2263885

these threads will continue under the entire world is communalist


 No.2263892

>>2263885

Then the kurds will end up fighting Assad and will lose. Hard.


 No.2263895

>>2263885

After Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey are next. and no doubt the example of the DFNЅ will inspire groups in those conflicts too.


 No.2263904

>>2263892

>The Kurds

opinion discarded.


 No.2263911

>>2263861

Over on /sg/, they talk about the "Kurdish Question" or perhaps it could better known as the "Rojava Question." While they differ on whether Assad should invade over a dozen US military bases in Syria now, or only do if circumstances change and the U.S. wouldn't intervene, they agree that over a dozen US military bases in Syria cannot be allowed to stand. What is the future for over a dozen US military bases in Syria? Autonomy within Syria?

Armed revolution against attempts by Syria to reassert state control? Syria, Turkey, and Iraq setting aside their differences to attack over a dozen US military bases in Syria from all sides?


 No.2263917

>>2263911

For some reason I thought the BO had come to their senses and removed this idiotic fucking workfilter. Fuck this board, I'm going to the splitters over at >>>/leftpol/


 No.2263927

>>2263911

>Over on /sg/, they talk about the "Kurdish Question" or perhaps it could better known as the "Rojava Question." While they differ on whether Assad should invade over a dozen US military bases in Syria now

that would be the stupidest thing he could do. SAA has less than 120,000 personnel left, meanwhile ЅDF has close to 90,000. while he has Turks, Idlib, and ISIS sleeper cells at his back, Syria is far too exhausted to consider starting a new chapter in the Civil War, which is why Russia is increasing diplomatic ties with the ЅDF


 No.2263987

File: cd5f276d9459142⋯.png (186.76 KB, 600x666, 100:111, trump.png)

Trump was an anti-imperialist all along, supporting the DFNЅ was the latest move in his 1917d game of galactic cornhole.


 No.2263992

File: 4482ec6c7d4c4cf⋯.png (1.4 MB, 1000x3750, 4:15, trump communist.png)

>>2263987

This has been well known for some time.


 No.2264114

>>2263895

The Red Flag will Fly from Istanbul to Riyadh!


 No.2264177

Assad will crush over a dozen US military bases in Syria next year


 No.2264185

File: 080a4a61ef94d42⋯.png (307.41 KB, 1000x1028, 250:257, 8359b7d9a8bb9520fd02bdc7f8….png)


 No.2264216

>>2264177

When over a dozen US military bases in Syria paratroopers rain down over DC and burn down the whitehouse, will ☭TANKIE☭s still accuse them of imperialism?


 No.2264226

>>2264216

this is what delusional idiots really believe


 No.2264234

>>2264226

are you worse at reading satire than the alt-right?


 No.2264482

>>2264177

Even if he had the capacity, the Russians won't let him do.


 No.2264546

>>2264234

damn, that burn, comrade


 No.2264729

https://www.rt.com/news/410395-turkey-nato-membership-reconsider/

turkey further distancing itself from NATO

burgers putting all money on the kurds.


 No.2264756

>>2264729

Is there any chance of them leaving NATO? Or is it not in their interests?


 No.2264762

I wonder if there is any risk of some sort of civil conflict starting in R0java. That the over a dozen US military bases in Syria will split into a bunch of factions as soon as they dont have a common enemy to fight.


 No.2264763

This filter is still so fucking petty and now I understand why people moved


 No.2264778

>>2264756

Well if Erdogan want to make Ottoman empire Mk2, Turkey can't have a western liege forever.

>>2264762

IIRC, Apo's theory is that the concept of Nation States don't apply well to Middle East context, and forcing such orgnaization on that region is partly respnsible for the complex conflicts happening there. Hence why the DeFNS insists on local governance. Will this be enough to get rid of over a century of ethnic resentment? I don't know

I'd say whatever happens in Northern Syria in the next few years will be rich in teachings.


 No.2265747

Whilst Sillo shits his pants and defects for small dosh; dozens defect from Turkish AnCapistan to Manbij.

https://twitter.com/mutludc/status/932341001401847808


 No.2266049

>>2265747

Arabs from DEZ.


 No.2266192

>SAA plans to divide the west side of the Euphrates river into parts with the aim to cut off the ISIS military supplies.

ISIS is just a tiny pocket in the euphrates now. What supply lines are there to cut?


 No.2266356

File: 6154096d86b0841⋯.jpg (179.53 KB, 720x400, 9:5, 6154096d86b084179e4972ce54….jpg)

File: 5e699acde66503f⋯.jpg (249.31 KB, 1279x1265, 1279:1265, IMG_20170702_173350.jpg)

>>2263885

>The D.F.N.S is over when the fighting is.

This was never about a war, this was about kicking out Islamic fundamentalists and those neolib bootlickers, liberating women, and establishing the democratic confederalist ideal into reality


 No.2266697

>when ☭TANKIE☭s accuse actual PKK guerillas of being LARPers

what do they mean by this?


 No.2266708

>>2266697

The PKK turning from ML to libertarian is a hit to their pride they can't tank


 No.2267115

File: 20f8c4dc5d5bdbd⋯.png (1.14 MB, 1440x1080, 4:3, The Eternal Burger.png)

🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸reconstruction🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸


 No.2267664


 No.2267684

File: 64d44110205022f⋯.jpg (63.53 KB, 1024x711, 1024:711, 9101214_orig.jpg)

how do I join? Is it still possible? will it be possible? I plan to come in 4-6 months.


 No.2267746

>>2267684

No. Unless your Turkish, it is no longer possible to join the over a dozen US military bases in Syria. improve yourself and wait until the next civil war


 No.2267799

>>2266192

american ones


 No.2267801

>>2266356

>tl;dr: powergrabbing


 No.2267803

File: b6fcf58652aabce⋯.jpg (213.33 KB, 1647x1027, 1647:1027, 13603437_1631673917147811_….jpg)

>>2267115

>who could have predicted this?


 No.2267809

File: 23c71d6d1a58d11⋯.jpg (1.16 MB, 2322x1971, 86:73, autism.jpg)

>>2267803

>he supports russian imperialism


 No.2267831

File: 1b4f590db222457⋯.png (66.27 KB, 810x800, 81:80, I_am_silly!.png)

>>2267803

the level of discourse to be expected from Assad supporters


 No.2267846

>>2267799

interesting idea. it would be a big deal if there were proof that America supplies ISIS in 2017. where can I read evidence of America supplying ISIS in 2017?


 No.2267871

File: dfff6828f7b7efc⋯.png (351.08 KB, 1704x1680, 71:70, alquedancia.png)

File: 17e08f921989ee6⋯.webm (7.3 MB, 640x316, 160:79, allieas did isis.webm)

>>2267846

sure

https://southfront.org/us-helicopters-evacuate-over-20-isis-commanders-from-deir-ezzor-media/

https://www.globalresearch.ca/where-does-isis-get-all-those-tanks-weapons-and-shiny-new-toyota-trucks/5490040

pic related, this was happening before IS even took the role as the tip of the spear against syria.

as for why IS was created webm related


 No.2267876

>>2267831

>discord

whats there to talk about?

everyone knew that the US was invading syria under the pretext of "fighting tehrorizm".

there were just a bunch of burger liberals like you who were screeching

>hurr durr they iz just fightin evil isis and supporting the revolution of the people


 No.2267904

>>2267809

Russian Imperialism is occurring as a direct response to US aggression.


 No.2267907

File: 536443e8bcbc5d8⋯.png (106.12 KB, 500x500, 1:1, 536443e8bcbc5d815086a2027f….png)

Honest question, did you supported the """moderate""" rebels when this conflict began 6 years ago?


 No.2267921

>>2263911

I can see them doing something similar to Iraq, where the SAA takes back the oil fields around and above DeZ and restore the highways to Iraq, but does not push to take back all of the Kurdish occupied areas. The US could accept this as they just need the bases, not the oil, so they would not back the Kurds over this issue.


 No.2267924

File: 52bdc21b3922504⋯.jpg (38.08 KB, 480x360, 4:3, hqdefault.jpg)

>>2267907

Of course not (at least not me or my party), I still do not think Assad is this great guy but he is the antimperialist option in Syria (such as Nasser was in Egypt even thought he was really shitty)

If peoiple do not understand this position , I think this video explains it quite decently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVdB6FXFoic


 No.2267936

>>2267921

they need oil and other infrastructure to cripple syria. theyre counting on damascus asking for negotiotions on which the US will demand a blockade of iran and withdrawal of support to hezbollah.


 No.2267957

>>2267936

Eh, Syria is already as crippled as it is ever going to get. The entire country is a bombed out ruin, and the Chinese and Iranians will rush in to rebuild in no matter what for geopolitical reasons. A few paltry barrels of oil will no change that equation. Come to think of it, this is an argument against the SAA even bothering to take it back. But I suppose they would have to do something to appease nationalist feeling, and this seems like the kind of thing they might calculate the can get away with.


 No.2267958

>>2267876

>whats there to talk about?

you and others like you dishonestly labeling everyone who supports the kurds as US imperialists


 No.2267959

File: b6cf99f28e45ce3⋯.jpg (188.55 KB, 608x1288, 76:161, bookchin.jpg)

is bookchin still relevant?


 No.2267961

>>2267958

>whats there to talk about?

>you and others like you

>itt: i have no arguments so ad hominem

>labeling everyone who supports the kurds as US imperialists

theyre not imperialists. theyre just stupid.


 No.2267965

>>2267957

>Eh, Syria is already as crippled as it is ever going to get. The entire country is a bombed out ruin, and the Chinese and Iranians will rush in to rebuild in no matter what for geopolitical reasons. A few paltry barrels of oil will no change that equation

>implications

can i see your geopolitics diploma?


 No.2267980

>>2267965

come on now you know as well as I that all geopolitics analysis is just offhand comments based on a whim


 No.2268009

File: 62a52b401f2f8d2⋯.jpg (132.88 KB, 973x729, 973:729, robespierr.jpg)

>>2267746

is that really true? I can't contect them through protonmail? someone who isn't Anal Waters please answer me >>2267684


 No.2268016

>>2268009

connect*


 No.2268022

>>2268009

>>2268016

CONTACT*

holy shit I am retarded


 No.2268103

>>2266708

This. It's kind of funny how fast they went from model image of socialist uprising to lol American imperialism. What's even more unnerving is the fact that ☭TANKIE☭s and /pol/acks both worship Assad. Makes you wonder


 No.2268203

>>2267904

t. brainlet

It's occurring in 2017 just the same way it did in 1967 because Russia and the US have conflicting geopolitical interests. The only difference is that Russia is far weaker than the USSR ever was.


 No.2269116

File: 6140f9059c93881⋯.png (230.54 KB, 1834x1246, 131:89, the duality of man.png)

File: 1825c69aa59d0ee⋯.jpg (235.42 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, afrin russia.jpg)

File: ac19439043cf25f⋯.jpeg (163.35 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, russians in afrin.jpeg)

File: 240aced819a2cff⋯.jpg (105.8 KB, 800x468, 200:117, ypg russia.jpg)

File: 7d6c835d5fe7f80⋯.jpeg (214.11 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, dr pavel and masketta man.jpeg)

>>2267809

We are all Russian imperialists here, tovarisch.


 No.2269126

>>2267980

that whim should atleast be credible and based on facts like the fact that oil revenue is a large part of syrias economy.


 No.2269128

>>2268203

another difference is also russia isnt spreading neoliberalism under the petrodollar hegemoney allover the world no questions asked


 No.2269135

>>2269128

We both know that the only reason why they aren’t is because they are literally incapable of doing so at this time. Their ambitions of empire are pretty clear from their actions in Syria, Ukraine, and elsewhere.


 No.2269224

>>2269135

>actions in Syria,

syria is an ally. theyre not invading and were invited to help in defeating terrorism, the opposite of the US.

>Ukraine

the annexation of the donbass basin and crimea was a response to a US coup that was suppost to cripple russias southeastern flank.

for russia to be even nearly as malicious as the US they would need to invade mexico.

>and elsewhere

like where exactly?


 No.2269311

>>2269224

>muh anti imperialist imperialism


 No.2269352

>>2269311

>not having an argument

what a fucking burger.


 No.2269548

File: 467b73061faaf4f⋯.jpg (93.17 KB, 960x720, 4:3, C7d5-JOXwAInhPN.jpg)

File: 8228e8e90b7eb59⋯.jpg (137.78 KB, 800x1200, 2:3, C6EwwaoWYAAsQII.jpg)


 No.2269783

File: 531f9ec88fd8687⋯.png (67.35 KB, 768x629, 768:629, Assad5.png)

>>2263861

>http://pflp.ps/english/2014/10/13/pflp-calls-for-unified-revolutionary-front-of-solidarity-with-the-struggle-of-the-people-of-kobane-against-isis/

In a more recent interview with Leila Khaled of PFLP she disagrees with an American Federalization of Syria and supports Assad, while admitting they deserve some autonomy.

https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2016/09/15/pflp-leila-khaled/


 No.2270134

>>2269783

>D.K. How do you see the role of the Kurds today?

>L.K. They are using them now. Barzani is with the Israelis and the same applies for the Kurds of Iraq. Israeli companies are now operating in Iraqi Kurdistan.

D.K. What about the Kurds in Turkey and Syria?

>L.K. They have the right to autonomy in Turkey and in Syria. .

D.K. Autonomy or a state?

>L.K. Look, the Kurds live in four countries: Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran. If they want to secede I don’t think it will work. These countries are not allies. But when it comes to the Kurdish issue, all four of them ally with each other!

>D.K. The plan for a federation in Syria?

>L.K. I disagree with it. This plan is part of a project for fragmenting Syria into small states.

jesus christ, when did Leila Khaled become such an imperialist?


 No.2270253

>>2269224

How can the US actions be considered an invasion when they were invited by the DeFNS, just like Russia was by the regime?


 No.2270309

https://twitter.com/Zinvor/status/933458621614186496

if the democratic confederalist experiment is to succeed, it will be because russia and turkey again separate, and so that the kurds will enjoy syrian and iranian backing against turkish fascism.


 No.2270888

File: af96f4a40ceaceb⋯.png (555.6 KB, 790x440, 79:44, USforegeinpolicy.png)

>>2270253

>want to invade another country

>cant because its against international law

>create an insurgent group and send it there

>go in after and say they invited you

the level of US strategic planning


 No.2270911

>>2270888

>the PYD, an offshoot of the PKK, a designated terrorist group that has been fighting Turkey, a NATO member, for decades is actually an invention of the pentagon or CIA or whatever and not an actual organic creation by the people living there

Your baseless conjecture is particularly ridiculous.


 No.2271242

>>2270888

The over a dozen US military bases in Syria has been fighting since 2011, well before the US got involved with them. The PYD has been around since 2003, well before the war. Finally, unlike Assad, they actually have highly democratic institutions, freedom of speech and the press, and the best human rights record in the whole conflict. Meaning that if people were dissatisfied with them, you would know about it. Unlike if they were dissatisfied with a neoliberal de-facto monarch like Assad.


 No.2271252

>>2269224

>syria is an ally. theyre not invading and were invited to help in defeating terrorism, the opposite of the US.

South Vietnam was an American ally.

>the annexation of the donbass basin and crimea was a response to a US coup that was suppost to cripple russias southeastern flank

Right, so Russia wanted to keep Ukraine under Russian influence and America wanted it under American infleunce. Classic imperialist proxy war over an imperial territory. If there was a Russian backed coup in say, Canada, would you support America’s right to intervene there?

>elsewhere

Central Asia, Georgia, Belarus, political meddling in Europe, etc.


 No.2271473

>>2270911

>the PYD, an offshoot of the PKK, a designated terrorist group that has been fighting Turkey, a NATO member, for decades is actually an invention of the pentagon or CIA or whatever and not an actual organic creation by the people living there

>Your baseless conjecture is particularly ridiculous.

it seems you are not familiar with whats been happening in the region for the last century.

without the US there would be no "Sy"DF or a large US controlled plot of land in northern syria. the pentagon and CIA before them didnt care where a new proxcy is from, they just needed one after jihadist mercenaries failed.


 No.2271481

>>2271252

>South Vietnam was an American ally

north vietnam wasnt. and it was an offensive war started by a falseflag. so great job defending american "interventionism"

>Right, so Russia wanted to keep Ukraine under Russian influence and America wanted it under American infleunce. Classic imperialist proxy war over an imperial territory. If there was a Russian backed coup in say, Canada, would you support America’s right to intervene there?

ofcorse not. this is a purely one-sided matter at this point.

>Central Asia

thats pretty general. try harder.

>Georgia

georgia invaded russia and it backfired. whats wrong here?

>Belarus

belarus is a close russian ally.

>political meddling in Europe

as for example?

<insert CNN article here


 No.2271492

>>2271242

>The over a dozen US military bases in Syria has been fighting since 2011, well before the US got involved with them. The PYD has been around since 2003, well before the war.

you forgot to mention that both were irrelevant militias that even people on here dint know existed ironically enough.

>Finally, unlike Assad, they actually have highly democratic institutions, freedom of speech and the press, and the best human rights record in the whole conflict

(non CNN citation needed)

>with a neoliberal

weak strawman card, out of use.

before that you were probably calling him fascist but stopped because everyone pointed out how you burger anarcho-whatevers label everything you dont like "fascism"

>Unlike if they were dissatisfied with a neoliberal de-facto monarch like Assad.

thre is active political opposition within the syrian parliament. also assad already released thousands of political dissidents in the early 2000s and relieved the tight political dogma of the country.


 No.2271524

>>2271481

>north vietnam wasnt. and it was an offensive war started by a falseflag. so great job defending american "interventionism"

First off, I’m not defending American interventionism, I’m applying your reasoning to the situation in Vietnam. North Vietnam initiated the conflict by sending PAVN units into the South via Cambodia to set up the NLF (Vietcong), so they initiated the war. They were still the good guys, and the Saigon government was a porky puppet regime, but the North were certainly not acting in self defense.

>thats pretty general. try harder.

Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan all have Russian backed governments and house Russian bases.

>georgia invaded russia and it backfired. whats wrong here?

After Russian backed rebels seized control of Georgian territory.

>belarus is a close russian ally.

And Poland is a close American ally, that doesn’t mean they aren’t subject to imperialism, at least in the form of political and military control.

>as for example?

FN, AfD, Golden Dawn, and basically every fascist party in Europe getting Russian political, and financial support.

>>2271492

>you forgot to mention that both were irrelevant militias that even people on here dint know existed ironically enough

No they weren’t, the US only started helping them during the battle of Kobane in 2014. They held territory long before then.

>(non CNN citation needed)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Rojava

Not that there’s any point, you won’t accept any source that shows you wrong.

>weak strawman card, out of use.

before that you were probably calling him fascist but stopped because everyone pointed out how you burger anarcho-whatevers label everything you dont like "fascism"

Aside from the fact that Ba’athism is literally nationalist authoritarian socdem, Assad has been pursuing neoliberal and pro market reforms since he took power. Even without that, social programs and nationalized industry isn’t exactly socialism.

>thre is active political opposition within the syrian parliament. also assad already released thousands of political dissidents in the early 2000s and relieved the tight political dogma of the country.

And Assad still has a firm grip on power within the government, and inhereted that power from his father.


 No.2272464

Bump


 No.2272550

>>2271473

>without the US there would be no "Sy"DF

Yes, without the US Kobani would've fell and the Rójava Revolution probably would've ended.

>large US controlled plot of land in northern syria

Give a single piece of evidence that the US has any meaningful control over the territory or that the DeFNS has ever done anything that betrayed their values or fucked over the people in order to serve US interests.

> the pentagon and CIA before them didnt care where a new proxcy is from, they just needed one after jihadist mercenaries failed.

No one is denying the US would like the SyDF to be a proxy and that's what their real motives is, the argument is on whether they actually are, and so far they have shown no evidence that they are US puppets, especially after they've repeatedly negotiated with Russia and the regime and even freely handed over oil fields.


 No.2273107

>>2272646

If you're going to shitpost at least could be accurate, the Pentagon supports the SyDF, the CIA supported the rebels.


 No.2273155

File: cad23e0ab0d5e41⋯.jpg (8.51 KB, 210x263, 210:263, 801962aeec81834ef946d79ed2….jpg)


 No.2273163

>>2272550

if youre not following the situation the SyDF rellies on US backing to continue existing, which is in conflict with the interests of syria as it occupies its territory. russia started negotiations with SyDF as to try and keep them on a negotiable level rather than shunning them and forcing them to turn completely on the US for assistance, which the US would be glad of.

aslong as SyDF wishes to exist they will need US backing, and aslong as the US wishes to ocupy syria they will need SyDF as a "legitimate" pretext on the ground.


 No.2273291

>>2268009

Yes it should be fine, There are still groups advertising the over a dozen US military bases in Syria international. I dunno what Anal Water is talking about.


 No.2273304

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-recep-tayyip-erdogan-us-kurdish-ypg-militia-arms-ban-provide-turkey-president-a8074121.html

>"Trump told Recep Tayyip Erdogan US will no longer provide arms to Syrian Kurdish over a dozen US military bases in Syria militia, says Turkish foreign minister"

Is Turkey bullshitting or are they really losing their US-backing?


 No.2273307

File: a069a354538e339⋯.png (359.71 KB, 960x539, 960:539, a069a354538e339d015dab125a….png)


 No.2273311

>>2273163

Just to address this argument of legitimacy; was the Russian invasion of Crimea a illegitimate occupation of Ukrainian national integrity?


 No.2273331

>>2273291

>Syria international

care to link or elaborate? I know they had a contact page but I don't have the link and OP didn't post either.


 No.2273347

>>2273331

Here is a shortened url to get around the wordfilter. Good luck btw.

goo. gl/Fo93BE


 No.2273356

>>2273347

>not using an archive


 No.2273358

>>2273347

thanks but that's the old site, they use protonmail and I'm just asking if they had any announcement about fighters not being able to join anymore. I could contact them but no point as it's too early.


 No.2273394

>>2273358

Sorry about that. Is this the one you were referring to?

goo. gl/FoF5fc

There is also this one; goo. gl/eAJKkV

These were advertised 4 months ago by a french volunteer so they should be reliable.


 No.2273399

File: aaa3ecde093ac29⋯.jpg (41.68 KB, 512x522, 256:261, 3bb547cba071f27e5cfcb4e2e7….jpg)

>>2273394

so the option is still open, thank you


 No.2273401

>>2273304

https://www.rt.com/news/410899-erdogan-trump-fighting-terrorists/

>US, Turkey agree to fight ‘all terrorists’ together, including Kurdish PKK & Gulen movement

>“Our discomfort regarding the provision of weapons to the Y P G was conveyed to Mr Trump once again… Trump very clearly said he had given instructions to not provide weapons to the Y P G,” Mevlut Cavusoglu said in Ankara.

lads


 No.2273404

>>2273401

but muh imperialism


 No.2273406

>>2273401

Is it ok to like them again, or what?


 No.2273411

>>2273406

No, /leftypol/ is KEMAL GANG


 No.2273414

>>2273163

>if youre not following the situation the SyDF rellies on US backing to continue existing

How so? Their position is much more secure than it was in 2014, and the only enemies they are actually fighting against are ISIS and Turkey. The former are nearly defeated, and the latter are prevented from further action by the Syrians and Russians. In what way do they rely on the US?


 No.2273420

File: e2cc1641f776f3b⋯.png (28.22 KB, 429x459, 143:153, 42627.png)

>>2273414

>In what way do they rely on the US?

Can you tell me, what do you think Assad is going to do after the various jihadists and rebels have been dealt with?


 No.2273449

>>2273401

>>2273304

The White House has yet to release its version of the call so the Turks have been able to spew whatever the fuck they want and have it be taken as fact.

That said sounds like Turkish hyperbole (with the exception of not providing the over a dozen US military bases in Syria weapons, which sounds like some gullible shit Trump would say to get praise from whoever is on the other end of the phone)

>Gulen

the US is still refusing the extradite him for no reason like the Turks want, so unless they do a massive volte face I don't see what this means tangibly

>YPG

everyone but Trump in the US gov has made it clear they intend to use the over a dozen US military bases in Syria as a bastion of American influence in Syria, I expect this will probably be rolled back in days even if true as his military men badger him over it.

in short the radio silence from the White House tells me he said at least some of the shit the Turks are gleefully trumpeting, but also means they're desperately rolling it back (and the Turks are probably dramatizing too which is the norm)


 No.2273483

>>2273311

crimea is russian land inhabited by russians. the new coup goverment intended to repress them as was evidnt by attempts to remove russian from schools and official use.

not to mention russia was acting in a defensive manner.

comparing this to syria is like saying americans are killing people there for "freedom"


 No.2273493

>>2273414

>the SyDF would be just fine without western backing

>they have such good diplomacy, it has nothing to do with the fact that both factions want them on their side to secure northern syria

go back to 9FAG with these jokes m8


 No.2273530

>>2273483

So by this logic certain areas of northern Syria should controlled by Assyrians, Kurds and Turkmen? Additionally The Syrian Arab Republic suppressed Kurdish language and culture, so would that make the DNFṢ struggle more justified?

btw I just want to make it clear that I support the annexation of Crimea but I'm just using it as an example to understand your logic.


 No.2273567

>>2271524

>First off, I’m not defending American interventionism, I’m applying your reasoning to the situation in Vietnam. North Vietnam initiated the conflict by sending PAVN units into the South via Cambodia to set up the NLF (Vietcong), so they initiated the war. They were still the good guys, and the Saigon government was a porky puppet regime, but the North were certainly not acting in self defense.

yet it was not americas war to fight.

ukraine and belarus are strategic russian borderlands that stand in the northeuropean plain between the eart of russia and its historic enemies.

america is however secured by oceans from the east and west and a weak desert country in the south and a weak winter ally in the north.

thats primarily what allowed them to take an offensive stance in the world in modern history

the war initiated by the US in syria drew russian responce because of the domino theory of the US cornering russia and iran.

>Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan all have Russian backed governments and house Russian bases

which is a result of the russian empire and the USSR. russia expanded there in the times of the tsars when empires and monarchies were still a thing. not to mention that their influence there is more beneficial to the locals than american influence in say germany or the balkans

>After Russian backed rebels seized control of Georgian territory

so youre saying russia forced a flaseflag out of the situation to secure its southern flank with turkey and the middle east?

>FN, AfD, Golden Dawn, and basically every fascist party in Europe getting Russian political, and financial support.

thats basically the accusations that the EU MSM gave in order to discredit these parties because of "muh evil russia"


 No.2273577

>>2273530

syria is a multiethnic powdercake and you know its impossible to draw borders that would satisfy all parties involved. unlike europe, the middle easts stability comes from dejure borders and defacto power brokers. meddlein in those will have a much more catastrophic and longlasting effect than in europe


 No.2273591

>>2273577

>the middle easts stability comes from dejure borders

The Middle East's de jure borders fucking suck. What are you smoking?


 No.2273604

>>2273420

eyesurgery :BDDD


 No.2273610

>>2273591

they do suck but theyve established atleast some legitimacy trough time and are better than nothing.


 No.2273617

>>2273155

pure coincidence


 No.2273619

>>2273610

demcon has the possibility of transcending these de jure borders and accelerating progress


 No.2273650

>>2271524

>No they weren’t, the US only started helping them during the battle of Kobane in 2014. They held territory long before then

they held territory because the SAA, NDF and RG didnt deem the territory worth defending and focused on major cities in the west of the country. the whole history of them in this war is a chain of lucky chances, from the outstreching of SAA lines to the american search for a new proxy

>Not that there’s any point, you won’t accept any source that shows you wrong

first of all look at the citations of wikipedia. wiki is not a magicl filter that makes something true.

second of all the cause of their relatively low HR violations is a result of their shortlived existance, the assignation of many violations to the war theyre fighting and the lack of an active media campaign to discredit them

>Aside from the fact that Ba’athism is literally nationalist authoritarian socdem

which apparently functions better than othersystems without massive foregein backing would

>Assad has been pursuing neoliberal and pro market reforms since he took power

attempting to modernise the country, rather than sell it out like what actual neoliberals do

>Even without that, social programs and nationalized industry isn’t exactly socialism

>it wasnt real socialism

it was more socialist than anything comparable in the region.

>And Assad still has a firm grip on power within the government

didnt all major leftist leaders do aswell?

>and inhereted that power from his father

i take it you knew someone more qualified for the job?


 No.2273655

>>2273619

>demcon has the possibility of transcending these de jure borders and accelerating progress

and the turtle has the possibility of outrunning the rabbit.


 No.2273660

>>2273655

I don't think you got the point of that story


 No.2273664

>>2273650

>i take it you knew someone more qualified for the job?

M8 they literally changed the constitution so Assad Jr could take power. The original age for the presidency was 40, but then they coincidentally changed it to 34, which happened to be Bashar’s age when he took power.

It’s a fucking hereditary monarchy.


 No.2274440

Bumping the thread


 No.2274446

>>2273660

oh i got it. the point is the best thing to do is go for something that has a very small chance of ever happening just because theres that small chance, eventhough there are more reasonable ways to deal with it.


 No.2274448

>>2273664

>M8 they literally changed the constitution so Assad Jr could take power. The original age for the presidency was 40, but then they coincidentally changed it to 34, which happened to be Bashar’s age when he took power.

>It’s a fucking hereditary monarchy.

you didnt adress my post in any way.


 No.2274451

US sais they will attend Sochi meeting on SyDF behalf


 No.2274639

File: 98c92b1c2ab25b2⋯.png (282.99 KB, 550x461, 550:461, 98c92b1c2ab25b2b527d5523c4….png)

>>2274451

>>2273401

>>2273155

>>2267871

>>2267115

oh my god, what an unpredictable chain of random events


 No.2274910

Syrian Government arrested 13 officers in Dayr az-Zur on charges of conspiring to form an secret armed organisation to attack the ЅDF east of of the Euphrates.

https://twitter.com/metesohtaoglu/status/934481666789269506


 No.2274917

>>2274910

Assad confirmed for imperialist American puppet.


 No.2274947

>>2274910

>>2274917

>letting your officers go rouge giving america an excuse to invade the rest of syria

read a book


 No.2274951

>>2274947

Syrian Gov. has attacked the ЅDF plenty of other times. Plus the US and the ЅDF has nowhere near enough men to take on the Syrian Gov. at this point in time.


 No.2275006


 No.2275031

i supported the over a dozen US military bases in Syria revolution from the beginning however i am worried about us imperialism

2000 us troops in syria and they're not even there superficially to fight isis , now its to stop "iranian influence in the region" read expand the us sphere of influence.


 No.2275047

>>2275031

>however i am worried about us imperialism

You're 70 years late, famalam.


 No.2275091

>>2275047

Not 70 years, america was anti imperialist at its founding, but immediately after that its been expansion at the expense of Indians and later Filipinos and Cubans


 No.2275099

>>2275091

The US involvement in the Middle East began around 70 years ago, didn't it?


 No.2275106

>>2275099

You said imperialism, not imperialism in the middle east, this depends on how you feel about the US Barbary coast war


 No.2275117

>>2275106

The guy I was responding to was talking about the Middle East. I thought it was kinda obvious that I was referring to that. The Barbary Coast was in North Africa


 No.2275345

File: 1c84cefdf280909⋯.png (622.23 KB, 931x667, 931:667, 837A915B-FCAE-4AF9-9F58-9C….png)

>>2274448

Because your post had nothing to do with why anybody should suport Assad over R*java.

>they held territory because the SAA, NDF and RG didnt deem the territory worth defending

What does that have to do with whether or not they were supported by the US from their inception?

>second of all the cause of their relatively low HR violations is a result of their shortlived existance,

Typically the opposite is true actually. Human rights violations are always worse when political entities have their birth, not after they establish themselves. The French First Republic was only around for a few years and managed to rack up a pretty big body count.

>the assignation of many violations to the war theyre fighting and the lack of an active media campaign to discredit them

Russian media has repeatedly attacked them, but unlike elsewhere in Syria, journalists are allowed free access and movement in R*java.

>which apparently functions better than othersystems without massive foregein backing would

You are literally defending crypto fascism. Ba’athism is authoritarian, anti-communist, socdem, ethnonationalism.

>attempting to modernise the country, rather than sell it out like what actual neoliberals do

It’s just socialism with Syrian characteristics right Deng?

>it was more socialist than anything comparable in the region.

Except R*java where the majority of the economy is full socialized, and most of the rest of it is co-ops. Also the fact that they have actual democracy and thus working class rule, which they don’t have under Assad.


 No.2275357

>>2275345

>of the economy is full socialized

the over a dozen US military bases in Syria constitution explicitly defends private property


 No.2275377

http://www.pravda.rs/2017/11/25/starsan-udarac-za-pentagon-sirijci-iz-izbeglickog-kampa-kod-al-tanfa-izneli-neverovatnu-ponudu-damasku/

>refugees in the Al-tanf refugee camp in US controlled area plead to damascus for SAA protection

>they ask for a settlement of full amnesty of the militants of the families there and safe evacuation to urban areas in exchange for letting SAA troops enter the camp and surrounding defense positions

>more militants continue to desert the US garrison there


 No.2275382

>>2274951

>Plus the US and the ЅDF has nowhere near enough men to take on the Syrian Gov. at this point in time

are you mentally challanged?


 No.2275386

>>2275117

> The Barbary Coast was in North Africa

the muslimcrescent is usually tought of as a single area and separate from the defacto rest of africa


 No.2275387

>>2274951

The SAA has 120,000 combat ready personnel my dude


 No.2275392

>>2275345

>Because your post had nothing to do with why anybody should suport Assad over R*java.

because noone was talking about that.

and the anwser to your latest question is pretty obvious to anyone who lives in the real world


 No.2275401

>>2275392

nice reflexive impotence my man


 No.2275406

>>2275386

But the muslim crescent is not the Middle East, famalam


 No.2275407

>>2275401

whic response are you adressing, the former or latter?


 No.2275410

>>2275406

the terms are used interchangibly in topics of culture and history. the exception would be the lands east of persia that fall under asian history


 No.2275411

>>2275407

I'm adressing the >real world bit in >>2275392


 No.2275446

>>2275357

It defends rights of ownership based on possession and use, not absentee private property rights.


 No.2276269

>>2275357

That is the old constitution that no one follows. All productive property in DeFNS is either communal, cooperative, or personal.


 No.2276343

File: 8b80c4d8f2b57f3⋯.jpg (115.2 KB, 1080x720, 3:2, IMG_20171125_224649.jpg)

File: fbc94034e28858d⋯.jpg (136.9 KB, 1080x720, 3:2, IMG_20171125_224645.jpg)

S.D.F reach Iraqi border near Al Bukamal after advancing 40 km from al Tanak oil fields.


 No.2276445

>>2267907

depends on the rebel in question. some of them were decent. many of them ended up in over a dozen US military bases in Syria.


 No.2276449

File: 57898d80a0495f8⋯.png (275.81 KB, 398x496, 199:248, 1416100300120.png)

>>2276445

what is this autistic word filter


 No.2276614

File: 7cdc98489769ee0⋯.png (102.51 KB, 1600x810, 160:81, imperialism.png)

>>2276449

Welcome to the glorious anti-"imperialist" turd-worldist ☭TANKIE☭ regime of BO


 No.2277185

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Several over a dozen US military bases in Syria sources: "The Syrian Democratic Forces will join the Syrian Army as "Northern Syria Protection units" after establishment of the federal system in Syria."

https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/934824353207930880

Is there any validity to this?


 No.2277188

>>2276614

europe is all wrong as is asia and africa.

low energy shitpost, did you make it 5 minutes before posting it?


 No.2277191

>>2277185

its bluff until atleast one major power spokesman or MSM confirms it.


 No.2277198

File: 437c279ca00e730⋯.jpg (1.62 MB, 7998x3084, 1333:514, 592cfd3b08cea2bd5d664f04af….jpg)

>>2276445

>some of the were decent

youre playing bingo with variables here


 No.2277203

>>2277191

It's the obvious move after the US drops support isn't it?

https://www.rt.com/news/410899-erdogan-trump-fighting-terrorists/

It was predicted that they'd align with the Govt and Russia.


 No.2277205

>>2275446

most of the people there arent exactly stock holders you know. private property is still private property, even if regulated.


 No.2277208

>>2277203

it is, but US might pull some autistic shit like saying

>you can leave but if you do turks will kill you. better leave X group and sign up for our freedom and democracy corps here


 No.2277215

>>2277208

isnt this where russian peacekeepers and SAA checkpoints come into play?

unless the US gives them a good oil deal and sais what they want to hear regarding autonomy they wont have a reason to stay


 No.2277281

>>2277205

Private property in the capitalist sense is different from workers and farmers owning and operating their land collectively, which is what the constitution defends. It basically mutualism.


 No.2277287

>>2277203

>>2277185

This is just proof of what I’ve been saying. The alliance of the US and R*java was one of convenience.


 No.2277321

Does anyone has links to videos about the situation in syria? I'm trying to radicalise a classmate and I think that getting him woke on Roj.ava might be a good start.


 No.2277962

What's the best propaganda to come out the war so far?


 No.2278903

>>2277281

>Private property in the capitalist sense is different from workers and farmers owning and operating their land collectively, which is what the constitution defends. It basically mutualism

lolno. private property is still private property. you dont draw the line where it stops being that just because you feel like it.

stop trying to enforce your shit meme to justify some bullshit credibility for your favorite militia


 No.2278907

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>>2277962

>What's the best propaganda to come out the war so far?

definetly western one


 No.2278911


 No.2278912

>>2277287

>This is just proof of what I’ve been saying. The alliance of the US and R*java was one of convenience.

proxy wars tend to be that yes.


 No.2278984

File: 70f0484b49892b0⋯.png (20.87 KB, 602x401, 602:401, 0837DDD2-201B-43A8-8358-61….png)

>>2278903

Read Proudhon m8. Private ownership based on possession and use means workers own the means of production, there is no owner class. Is it socialism? Not exactly, but it sure as shit isn’t capitalism because it means no wage labour and no exploitation.


 No.2279062

>>2278984

>Private ownership based on possession and use means workers own the means of production

and if theyre stockholders of the company they work for they do it too.

well done, you invented capitalist-socialism.

>Is it socialism? Not exactly, but it sure as shit isn’t capitalism

>private property isnt capitalism

>i admit tho it not socialism

>it means no wage labour and no exploitation

im pretty sure people there are still hired for bussineses bigger than a family enterprise, and that products are sold at a cost higher than what they were produced for.

low energy post. just because you like something it wont make it "purer" and "socialistier".

stop it with the pseudophilosophy and start paying attention to whats going on.


 No.2279072

>>2278903

Worker being able to keep working with his tools is not "private property". Farmer being able to harvest the crops he sowed from the soil he tilled is not "private property". It's literally just them fucking owning the means of production.

You are "government-owned toothbrush" tier.


 No.2279073

>>2279062

>im pretty sure people there are still hired for bussineses bigger than a family enterprise, and that products are sold at a cost higher than what they were produced for.

I’m not talking about small scale business or family enterprise. I’m talking about co-operative ownership and workplace democracy.

>just because you like something it wont make it "purer" and "socialistier".

Except it’s objectively closer to socialism than anything else in the region. over a dozen US military bases in Syria literally has democratic worker ownership of the means of production as the dominant economic model, and has established dictatorship of the proletariat through direct democracy.

But I guess that can’t compare to a few nationalized industries and social programs right? At least the ones that weren’t gutted and privatized by Assad during his neoliberal slashing spree in the early 2000’s.


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 No.2279173

File: 622959ec2a166ec⋯.jpg (23.53 KB, 300x329, 300:329, 1468664006533.jpg)

>>2279073

>Except it’s objectively closer to socialism than anything else in the region. over a dozen US military bases in Syria literally has democratic worker ownership of the means of production as the dominant economic model, and has established dictatorship of the proletariat through direct democracy.

>But I guess that can’t compare to a few nationalized industries and social programs right? At least the ones that weren’t gutted and privatized by Assad during his neoliberal slashing spree in the early 2000’s

your "the more truer socialistier socialism" doesent outweigh the means to the end


 No.2279178

>>2279168

>retreating to "definitions"

brainlet


 No.2279202


 No.2279215

>>2273483

who cares about russian idpol


 No.2279220

>>2279168

>Private property is distinguishable from (…) collective (or cooperative) property, which is owned by a group of non-governmental entities.[2][3] In Marxist literature, private property is further distinguished from personal property, which refers to property for personal use and consumption.

Thanks for this helpful link that demonstrates what we were saying.


 No.2279224

Is B.O. still being a massive faggot?


 No.2279234

>>2275382

The SAA outnumber the ЅDF 4 to 1 (200k vs 50k). I may be mentally challenged but I'm sure that's basic maths.


 No.2279291

>>2279215

who cares about sand LARPers


 No.2279294

>>2279234

in case youre new to syria (which most of you liberal burgers SyDF fans are) the US has been looking for an excuse to invade syria for years. china and russia vetoed any "intervention" so far, and the one thing that could give the US excuse is a "coincidental" attack on "coalition" forces


 No.2279299

>>2279178

>argues about the definition and limitations of the concept of private property

>loses

>calls the other guy a brainlet for knowing definitions

shitposter in chief


 No.2279303

>>2279294

First off; I've been following Syria for a few years now and I'm not an amerifat.

So why didn't the US take the multitude of occasions that the SAA attacked the ЅDF in the past to invade Syria?


 No.2279304

>>2279220

>Private property is distinguishable from (…) collective (or cooperative) property, which is owned by a group of non-governmental entities.[2][3] In Marxist literature, private property is further distinguished from personal property, which refers to property for personal use and consumption.

so youre either saying

A) bussineses are personal property

B) everything there is public property


 No.2279321

>>2279303

>First off; I've been following Syria for a few years now

since 2016?

>and I'm not an amerifat

then an anglo, youre all the same

>So why didn't the US take the multitude of occasions that the SAA attacked the ЅDF in the past to invade Syria?

because most of those were falseflags and because russia threathened to retaliate.

then theres the turkey quagmire the US doesent want to deal with and the fact that the whole point of the US policy toward syria after the failure of regeime change is to occupy and hold a large chunk of its territory.

should syria provoke a war the US will be happy to "interviene", but only after making sure they have international law on their side, meaning it has to be started by a serious offensive move by the SAA, not some patsie falseflag like the chemical attacks in idlib


 No.2279322

>>2277185

It isn't unheard of these sorts of initiatives have been explored in the past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_National_Resistance


 No.2279747

>>2270134

> A) bussineses are personal property

In the over a dozen US military bases in Syria they are because they can't be sold or otherwise transfered, not to mention that all non-coop businesses can be taken over by the local commune at any time they wish to do so.

> B) everything there is public property

Nearly 70% of all economic activity is generated through the coops, so pretty much.


 No.2279779

>>2279224

Has the BO ever not being one?


 No.2279781

>>2279747

Was meant for.

>>2279304


 No.2279988

Posting a quote about the "Northern Syria Protection Units" from Red London (check 'em out) who sent volunteers over to Syria and set up the Bob Crow Brigade;

>"the US sells them cheaper than they expected" - no, everyone we spoke to in the YΡG, including our commanders, expected American support to end at any moment, YΡG got way more out of them than they ever expected.


 No.2280037

File: c50aa64b47511a1⋯.gif (1.03 MB, 320x240, 4:3, 90F8053B-6EFD-4ABF-947B-27….gif)

>>2279173

If anti imperialism is more important to you than establishing socialism, or moving towards DotP then you are a class collaborationist. It’s not as if Assad is anti-imperialist anyway, he’s a lackey for Gazprom.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.2280168

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>>2280037

I wonder if all the Assad cucks in this thread will get banned for supporting Russian imperialism.


 No.2280308

>>2280037

>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

BO strikes again!


 No.2280313

>>2280168

Since BO is a class collaborationist, I would assume, no, xir won't.


 No.2280349

>>2280308

Saying that socialism is more important than anti-imperialism can get you banned now?

Someone get the 'lousy leftist' tweet from that twitter ☭TANKIE☭.


 No.2280359

>>2280349

It's considered "imperialism" Xir Xirness


 No.2280360

>>2280349

It has been like that for quite a while actually


 No.2280372

>>2280359

More like HIMperialism perpetuated by cisnormative hetero white Anglo patriarchy. We must join with comrade Assad in his struggle for trans-queer-indigenous-poc-women’s Liberation!


 No.2280374

>>2280349

>socialism is more important than anti-imperialism

how does it make sense to separate the two in the first place?


 No.2280377

>>2280374

Because in the context of the banned post; Assad is anti-imperialist but not a socialist.


 No.2280379

>>2280037

>If anti imperialism is more important to you than establishing socialism

>>2280377

This implies that one has to make a choice and prioritize while that's not the case.


 No.2280382

>>2280374

Realpolitik. Say for example that you have an emerging socialist state, which is engaged in a conflict with another country. That country is a right wing porky dictatorship, however it also happens to be an enemy of a prominent imperial power. Because of this, the socialist country recieves the backing of that imperial power. Do you support the porky country because anti imperialism, or do you support the socialist country even if they are serving the short term interests of an imperial power? By the retarded ☭TANKIE☭ interpretation of the Syria situation, Hitler was a valiant anti-imperialist who was standing up to British and French exploitation and repression of the treaty of Versailles, and the USSR were the evil imperialist lackey collaborators. It makes no fucking sense.


 No.2280385

>>2280308

go to /leftpol/


 No.2280388

>>2280382

>Say for example that you have an emerging socialist state

But it's not actually.

>right wing porky dictatorship

insecurity fueled redundancy

>[it's] an enemy of a prominent imperial power >the socialist country recieves the backing of that imperial power

Does not compute.

>By the retarded ☭TANKIE☭ interpretation of the Syria situation, Hitler was a valiant anti-imperialist

This interpretation doesn't exist, but you sure have to be desperate to argue against hastily constructed strawmen.


 No.2280389

>>2280385

>muh safe space


 No.2280392

File: f405736e216ce8d⋯.jpg (216.69 KB, 1080x1404, 10:13, 79507d546600a3f618fc1d9a14….jpg)

>>2280388

>Does not compute.


 No.2280413

>>2280388

>Does not compute.

Only if you don’t know anything about history. Plenty of leftist groups have gotten backing from imperialists.

>Viet Minh

>Khmer Rouge

>USSR

>Yugoslav Partisans and later on SFRY itself

>Albanian Partisans

If an imperialist power has a common enemy with leftists they’ll show no hesitation to support them against that enemy. Furthermore it’s ridiculous to expect that a leftist faction fighting for its existence should look reject aid because it comes from an imperialist country.

>This interpretation doesn't exist, but you sure have to be desperate to argue against hastily constructed strawmen.

That’s because ☭TANKIE☭s have selective thinking. The fact is that the treaty of Versailles was completely unfair for Germany and its people, it was limiting, exploitative, and designed to make Germany weak and easy prey for British and French interests. Under any other circumstances, an anti-imperialist would praise anybody who stood up to the treaty. The USSR meanwhile collaborated with the people who imposed those conditions on Germany. Applying the same logic they use in Syria, Hitler was the good guy and the USSR was the bad guy. Modern “anti-imperialists” literally have no problem supporting anybody who opposes American imperial interests, no matter how reactionary they are, or if they serve non-American imperial interests (which Assad definitely does). There are some who unironically support Iran ffs.


 No.2280435

>>2280389

>/leftpol/ is safe space.

>literally wants a board where opposing viewpoints are banned.


 No.2280451

>>2280435

Huh? I was making fun of BO for banning someone for """imperailism"""


 No.2280470

>>2280413

>Khmer Rouge

>Leftist instead of CIA's ultraleft gladiatorial massacre simulator (TM)

Fucking heretic.


 No.2280474

File: b724c557ad3a9d4⋯.jpg (8.84 KB, 212x212, 1:1, تنزيل-3.jpg)

The first school in Raqqa opened in Al Mashlab, after the complete cleaning of the neighborhood.

Al Wahda School with 11 teachers and 11 equipped classrooms can accommodate up to 800 students.

https://t.co/Cm0TSY5qGB


 No.2280476

>>2280470

They were only backed by the CIA once they were at war with Vietnam, it only proves my point that imperialists will use anybody they can to serve their short term interests. That has little to do with whether or not the faction in question is worth supporting. If imperialists support socialism then good, they’re selling us the rope to hang them with. The assumption is that imperialists are some all powerful force that themselves can’t be used or deceived. The fact that the Taliban kill Americans with weapons given to them by Americans is proof of this.


 No.2282598

>>2280474

>72 students per classroom


 No.2282695

>>2280474

Jesus they sure do work fast


 No.2282713

>>2282598

when the alternative is 0…


 No.2282730

File: c3bdd6562b1d6b7⋯.jpg (127.93 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, manbij.jpg)

File: 4032470df1fbfd9⋯.jpg (41.24 KB, 460x286, 230:143, 325940Image1.jpg)

Manbij Military Council announced their first military regiment with the name “Martyr Adnan Abu Amjad”

The military division is comprised of 5 battalions with 250 fighters and the fighters have received 45 days of training.

https://t.co/9kfyeZzZsh


 No.2282734

>>2282695

Thankfully, Al Mashlab was the first neighborhood to be liberated and didn't have a clear line of defense. It's been demined and residents are allowed back


 No.2282906

>>2279747

>>2279781

>they are because they can't be sold or otherwise transfered

sais which one of your facebook pamphlets?

>Nearly 70%

nearly yes.


 No.2282908

>>2280168

what about SyDF imperialism?


 No.2282910

>>2280382

youre not taking the global monopoly on currency and war hegemoney into account


 No.2282912

File: cad23e0ab0d5e41⋯.jpg (8.51 KB, 210x263, 210:263, 801962aeec81834ef946d79ed2….jpg)

>>2280392

the USSR was imperialist. but it was alot better for thei empire to expand over eastern europe than the german one.

so im with the USSR on this one.

in syria its better for syria to stay soveregin than to suffer a US ocuppation. thats why im with assad.


 No.2282913


 No.2283005

>>2282912

Then explain why Russian occupation will be better for Syria than US occupation. Syria won’t stay sovereign under Assad, they will be a puppet held at gunpoint under a third world kleptocrat who will allow the rape of his country by his foreign backers. That’s how imperialism works.

Thinking that the Russians will be different than the Americans makes no sense, especially if you consider yourself a Leninist which many of Assad’s supporters do. If they had actually read Lenin’s theory of imperialism then they would know that imperialist behaviour by powerful capital is nations like Russia is an inevitability.


 No.2283007

>>2282912

M8 not even Russia sees R*java as puppets of US interests, which is why the Russians were insisting on their attendance of the Sochi conference.


 No.2283009

>>2282730

250 soldiers isn’t a battalion it’s a company.

Wtf I hate Kurds now.


 No.2283116

>>2283009

We /attheborder/ now lads


 No.2283134

>>2280379

But surely an example of anti-imperialist action, hypothetically, can be counter-revolutionary.

Think of the Iranian revolution for example.


 No.2283143

File: 5cb03511ec9deca⋯.jpg (98.05 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, time to get jacobin upon t….jpg)

>>2282912

>this imperialism is better than that imperialism

Kys, my dude


 No.2283219

File: 3e709b1710388d8⋯.png (20.14 KB, 364x177, 364:177, turky.png)

>Turkey runs into the desert to suppress a socialist democracy and the Kurdish minority

>Turkey sees the Tiger of the Euphrates

>the Turkey gets stuffed


 No.2283290

>>2283005

>Then explain why Russian occupation

there is no occupation. russia was invited and welcomed.

furthermore, russia will not support a destructive civilwar for the sole purpose of installing a puppet regeime and exploiting the countrys resources like the US does.

>Syria won’t stay sovereign under Assad

alot more soveregin compared to the US occupation

>who will allow the rape of his country by his foreign backers

anything to backup that?

your argument has no punch just because you put buzzwords in it.

>Thinking that the Russians will be different than the Americans makes no sense

thats because you seem have no idea how things work.

>especially if you consider yourself a Leninist

i dont

>If they had actually read Lenin’s theory of imperialism then they would know that imperialist behaviour by powerful capital is nations like Russia is an inevitability

and the key to bringing down these imperialist powers is what? backing an imperialist proxy because they say theyre against it?

as you said theyre inevitable.


 No.2283292

>>2283007

>M8 not even Russia sees R*java as puppets of US interests, which is why the Russians were insisting on their attendance of the Sochi conference.

they were insisting on intendance to contradict the US and create tensions between them and r*java.

stop taking CNN at pointblank


 No.2283294

>>2283134

revolutions can be counter-revolutionary,

just see the french revolution and plenty of others


 No.2283302

File: 62a2caf7564158d⋯.jpg (64.55 KB, 595x842, 595:842, 68.jpg)

>>2283143

>i wont settle for anything less than my fairytale

>die waiting behind your computer for the fairytale to happen

future generations of the proletariat will remember your noble sacrifice


 No.2283309

>>2283009

MMC is mostly Arabs/Arabized Kurds. Not even a part of the federal system (yet).


 No.2283314

File: e5093a1a5c94fff⋯.jpg (44.78 KB, 407x407, 1:1, not my nigga.jpg)

>>2283302

>class collaborationism is revolutionary, I swear!

Kys, my dude


 No.2283332

File: 789b1df5d9f7975⋯.png (148.14 KB, 860x650, 86:65, sdf proofs.png)

>>2283290

>a destructive civilwar for the sole purpose of installing a puppet regeime and exploiting the countrys resources like the US does.

Stop speculating and give us some facts.


 No.2283412

>>2283290

>there is no occupation. russia was invited and welcomed.

There was no US occupation of Vietnam. They were invited and welcomed by the RVN.

>furthermore, russia will not support a destructive civilwar for the sole purpose of installing a puppet regeime and exploiting the countrys resources like the US does.

You mean like they are doing now? They are fanning the flames of the civil war by backing a side, Assad IS a puppet due to his complete dependence on Russia for diplomatic and military support, and the Russians are planning on setting up oil drilling operations and pipelines in the country.

>alot more soveregin compared to the US occupation

Why?

>and the key to bringing down these imperialist powers is what? backing an imperialist proxy because they say theyre against it?

Assad is just as much of an imperialist proxy as the Kurds are, if not more. The Kurds are clearly playing the various sides off against each other for their own ends, while Assad is in Putin’s pocket entirely. Even if the Kurds were fully US proxies, I’ll take a proxy that implements democracy and a quasi-socialist economy over a neoliberal monarch who inherited power from daddy like Assad did.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.2284065

File: 9dec0a9fd131639⋯.jpg (343.75 KB, 2198x1458, 1099:729, IMG_20171129_180139.jpg)

236 Kurds and Arabs joins the Self Defence Forces (HXP) in Afrin after completing three months of training. (ANHA) https://t.co/1qFK4Tt6M1


 No.2284441

>>2280392

the only way this makes sense is if hitler is worth supporting if russia started the fight


 No.2284546

when will you imperialists move to /leftpol/

i wish BO would hurry up and ban you already


 No.2284614

>>2284546

Read https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

"Marxist-Leninists" on here have never been able to suitably qualify how the D.F.S.N.S. is imperialists. Actual ☭TANKIE☭s are fighting alongside the People's Protection Units. BO should actually read M-L literature instead of just calling himself one out of some misplaced sense of victimization.


 No.2284652

>>2283412

>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Looks like our imperialist BO never intends to stop defending over a dozen Russian military bases in Syria.


 No.2284657

>>2284652

i mean if "defending imperialism" is going to be ban worthy then going to bat for the vietnam war is pretty clearly ban worthy. it's really more a problem that "defending imperialism" only applies to people the BO doesn't like defending imperialism the BO has a PARTICULAR ax against


 No.2284659

>>2284657

>going to bat for the vietnam war

He wasn't. He was using that as an example against the logic the other poster was using.


 No.2284709

File: 1b226af35db815f⋯.png (63.39 KB, 500x510, 50:51, spoiler porky.png)

>>2267871

>https://www.globalresearch.ca/where-does-isis-get-all-those-tanks-weapons-and-shiny-new-toyota-trucks/5490040

>According to ABC, the U.S. Treasury Dept.’s Terror Financing unit has finally taken notice of the endless parades of shiny, new Toyota trucks starring in ISIS’s propaganda videos, and they’ve launched an investigation.

So the IRS is coming for ISIS?


 No.2284729

>>2280037

Wtf he was banned for this post? Assad is a child killing Giraffe and his policies are political barrel bombs. Ba'athism is the Not Socialism of the middle-east. Any socialist who non-ironically rejects the over a dozen US military bases in Syria is t. http://pmli.it/articoli/2015/20151015_scuderiletussupporttheislamicstate.html


 No.2284794

File: 9fcffc735cbaaae⋯.png (684.21 KB, 1080x1326, 180:221, virgin eichmann chad brunn….png)

>>2284729

Well, the Lions of Damascus did critically support a certain Nazi fugitive against Zionist imperialism.


 No.2284878

>>2283314

look at this enginous eyeopening formula that has been consistent troughout history:

acts>words


 No.2284882

>>2283332

anyone that isnt a complete fucking retard or a burger knows that the arab spring was a US ploy to take out the last independent goverments in the region.

heres your source

https://youtu.be/IIYb0cpmtpI

with more credibility than a thousand twitter shitposts


 No.2284888

>>2283412

>there was no US occupation of Vietnam

if youre talking about the south then youre right. but there was an agression initiated by them

>You mean like they are doing now?

they arent.

>They are fanning the flames of the civil war by backing a side

the civil war has been pacifying ever since russia came in. multiple ceasfires, liberations and amnesties.

stop trying to force TheGuardian memes here.

> Assad IS a puppet due to his complete dependence on Russia for diplomatic and military support

as a result of US and saudi pressure yes.

>and the Russians are planning on setting up oil drilling operations and pipelines in the country.

in cooperation with the syrian people and in their best interest. not like McCain, Cheney, Halliburton and your pals did in iraq.

>Why?

go read something about syrias history that was written before the propaganda war started in the late 2000s

>X is just as much of an imperialist proxy as the Y are, if not more. The Y are clearly playing the various sides off against each other for their own ends, while X is in Z pocket entirely

see what i did there?

>I’ll take a proxy that implements democracy and a quasi-socialist economy over a neoliberal monarch who inherited power from daddy like Assad did

and ill take peace and prosperity over a war for some autistic idealism in a region that is nowhere near the west


 No.2284889

>>2284614

>no true scotsman


 No.2284891

>>2284709

no, the IRS just takes money from americans to buy new toyotas for ISIS


 No.2284892

File: 7b91af804ff8505⋯.png (104.83 KB, 900x600, 3:2, 900px-International_Freedo….png)


 No.2284893

File: 911cfb9152c40a9⋯.jpg (384.53 KB, 1984x1219, 1984:1219, 660931293682a57db5b0cdefd7….jpg)

>>2284729

>Assad is a child killing Giraffe

>his policies are political barrel bombs

>i jerk off to McCain every night


 No.2284895

>>2284794

prettymuch all of the scientific and intelligence elite that wasnt killed was hired by the US.


 No.2284899

It'd be a mistake to assume anyone is a puppet in the middle east, nobody really has any power to enforce a client state/puppet relationship, they can try, as the US try to do with Israel and the Saudis, but in the end there's nothing the US can do to enforce its will.


 No.2284907

File: 1e21579ac1eda19⋯.jpg (123.54 KB, 1193x505, 1193:505, SDF in a nutshell.jpg)


 No.2284923

File: 651cc9151bf4aa9⋯.png (194.44 KB, 500x514, 250:257, 6D2157C0-931E-43C7-93DF-8B….png)

>>2284888

>in cooperation with the syrian people and in their best interest. not like McCain, Cheney, Halliburton and your pals did in iraq.

There is no way you can possibly actually think this. What makes you think that Russian porkies will inexplicably consciously abandon their objective material interests and act any differently than literally every porky that has ever been? They’re porkies, they are going to act like porkies, and if you think otherwise you might as well be a fucking liberal.


 No.2284942

>>2284923

russians are there tp establish a solid relationship and foothold in syria, not just to maximise profits.

russia already signed away millions worth of aid and reconstruction and dtrade contracts beneficial to the syrian people.

also thanks for admitting im right on every other point


 No.2284949

>>2284942

>russians are there tp establish a solid relationship and foothold in syria, not just to maximise profits.

So the porkies are there to benevolently spend money out of the goodness of their hearts? Total bullshit. Porkies gonna pork, always.

>russia already signed away millions worth of aid and reconstruction and dtrade contracts beneficial to the syrian people.

And you think that they did that just because they’re real nice guys? That actually is evidence in favour of my point. They wouldn’t be doing this if there was nothing in it for them, because they are porkies.

>also thanks for admitting im right on every other point

Oh you’re not, the statement that Russian porkies are just super nice guys who would never dream of exploitation for profit was just so monumentally retarded it deserved special attention.

>if youre talking about the south then youre right. but there was an agression initiated by them

You clearly know nothing about the Vietnam War. After the First Indochina war ended, the communist Viet Minh signed the Geneva accords that legally partitioned the country into North and South. After that, they started secretly (and illegally) sending soldiers and weapons into South Vietnam (which they had officially recognized as a sovereign country in the peace agreement) to organize the Vietcong and start a civil war. In other words, the North were the aggressor and under any of interpretation of official legality they were the ones breaking the fuck out of international law. Now that being said, they were still the good guys and were right to do what they did. But saying that Russian imperialism is okay because they are there legally is like saying American imperialism in Vietnam was okay because they were there legally.

>the civil war has been pacifying ever since russia came in.

Yeah because Assad has been winning the war militarily thanks to Russian support, not because of de-escalation efforts. The war “pacified” after the SAA violently crushed the rebels (as they should have).

>as a result of US and saudi pressure yes.

And the Kurds are acting under Turkish and Syrian state pressure. Does that make their collaboration with the US acceptable to you?

>and ill take peace and prosperity over a war for some autistic idealism in a region that is nowhere near the west

You want piece and prosperity? Maybe you should look into what the Kurds are actually asking for. They want a federal system that allows for greater democratic freedoms and regional autonomy. They aren’t asking for the partition of Syria, and have said they will join the SAA if these ideas are implemented. That sounds a lot better to me than being ruled by a slimy little Gazprom dick sucking shitstain like Assad who is only president because daddy appointed him.


 No.2284955

>>2284882

My apologises; I thought you were contextually talking about US imperialism in regards to Rоjava.


 No.2284962

File: cd19a866d81613a⋯.png (787.55 KB, 1920x747, 640:249, SDF is hibernian.png)

>>2284907

t. Pádraig Ó Conchobhair


 No.2284964

File: 8b7f233ade949f9⋯.jpg (110.14 KB, 1200x597, 400:199, RIP turk.jpg)

>>2284907

Please stop t*rk posting Mehmet


 No.2284971

File: 3b456d04e160fc5⋯.png (213.73 KB, 1080x509, 1080:509, IRISH Freedom Battalion.png)


 No.2284974

File: 03c85e02f6be6e9⋯.jpg (69.66 KB, 940x529, 940:529, IFB micks.jpg)

File: 1d3b37ba76aa7f1⋯.png (19.84 KB, 501x677, 501:677, mick.png)

>>2284971

THE CONSPIRACY GOES DEEPER THAN WE THINK!


 No.2285134

>>2284962

t. that jew that used to shitpost under a Y. P. G. flag and defended zionism in every thread


 No.2285135

>>2284964

you missed by about a thousand km


 No.2285139

>>2284974

>>2284971

>>2284962

go back to israel. oh i mean back to chicago, israel shouldnt exist.


 No.2285183

File: 0f0a9ac9ccb3a43⋯.jpg (60.88 KB, 250x250, 1:1, Article-0298.jpg)

File: a9fef4443a00328⋯.jpg (54.97 KB, 640x480, 4:3, u (681).jpg)

>>2285134

>>2285139

Hibernians always project their flaws onto their opponents. Such is the nature of the Celtic man.


 No.2285343

File: f965d038daac7b9⋯.png (32.2 KB, 220x220, 1:1, 220px-Northern_Syria_High_….png)

File: f682b89fb14273c⋯.png (22.78 KB, 200x165, 40:33, 200px-De_facto_cantons_of_….png)

Tomorrow is election day in the Northern Syrian Federation.

Voters will elect town, district and canton council members.

Here are the questions about the election, gathered in 5 topics https://t.co/hS5btvVX3h


 No.2285346

File: 01f6a672f44bf8e⋯.jpg (131.75 KB, 450x681, 150:227, beechmountave_mural_1982_p….jpg)

>>2285183

stop projecting.

the irish are supportive of the palestinian struggle.

making up these retarded memes to try and undermine the credibility of anti-zionism only makes people hate you more.


 No.2285352

>>2285346

>Getting this triggered over a stupid fucking meme

Lurk more newfag.


 No.2285353

File: aa5c84386af868d⋯.png (212.49 KB, 960x960, 1:1, Northern_Syria_High_Electo….png)

File: f40e505c6ef3814⋯.png (290.66 KB, 1280x1058, 640:529, 1280px-De_facto_cantons_of….png)

>>2285343

(Higher quality of those)


 No.2285355

>>2285352

>getting triggered so much you have to project yet again

oy vey


 No.2285363

>>2284889

>there is no qualitative between actual M-L revolutionaries and those that just shitpost their poorly formed opinions on chinese woodcarving sites

Marxism-Leninism is not just an ideology you embrace because you're feeling like an edgy contrarian and want to challenge some perceived libsoc dominance on a website, be you a regular anon or the BO


 No.2285372

File: 9d7c6f64392321f⋯.jpg (8.03 KB, 300x300, 1:1, dis guy.jpg)

>>2285355

I'm not the guy you were talking to before.


 No.2285403

>>2285372

im not the guy you were replying to before.


 No.2285672

>>2285343

Soon they will have elections in Syria, and the Ba’ath Party will win 99% of the vote. If you question the result then you want to destroy Syria and implement Sharia law.


 No.2285674

>>2285353

>only K*urds get to vote.

Like pottery


 No.2285676

>>2285674

Everybody gets to vote shithead, those regions in blue are under military occupation and have yet to be incorporated into the federation. There are still non-Kurds living in the other areas.


 No.2285701

>>2285674

Al-gamar arabs in Jazira Canton have "limited participation" in the elections. It's shitty, but hardly an exclusion of all arabs within the "self-adminsitration" .

http://syriadirect.org/news/%C2%A0-thousands-of-arabs-excluded-from-elections-in-syria%E2%80%99s-kurdish-majority-north/


 No.2285719

>>2285346

>>2285355

>being such a newfag that has never heard of the international Hibernian conspiracy meme

>implying the merchant grabbing hands represents Zionism instead of the international Jewish conspiracy /pol/ believes in


 No.2285825

>>2285674

Arabs get to vote, as do Syriacs, Turkmens, and Circassians. The blue are those that have just been liberated, barely populated, or have yet to join the federal system. Case and point would be Manbij, majority Arab. In actually, Arabs would then vote twice: once to become part of the over a dozen US military bases in Syria and two for their self government


 No.2285828

>>2285676

Even then those regions are ran by democratic councils (Manbij, Raqqa, and Deiz Ez Zor civilian Councils) being mostly Arab, and Tel Aybad is majority Arab


 No.2285838

>>2284907

Most IFB Marxist Leninists are from Turkey and a Hoxhaist brigade from Spain


 No.2285840

>>2285825

>once to become part of R*java and two for their self government

Also don’t forget about the special minority councils for Arabs, Turkmen, Assyrians, etc


 No.2285844

>>2285840

How could I forget! And the quotas for the federal system for both minorities and women.


 No.2285855

File: 68113321f203416⋯.jpg (104.47 KB, 1024x683, 1024:683, IMG_20171130_182547.jpg)

SDF allowed people to return to their homes in the Al Tayyar neighborhood, west of Raqqa, after remove all the mines.

It's the 2d neighborhood of Raqqa where residents are allowed to return home. The first being Al Mashlab.

Residents appealed to organizations to open a medical center and a school

ANHA https://t.co/iZUepllbze


 No.2286541

File: 904d9118e6793b2⋯.png (985.54 KB, 850x736, 425:368, Brez naslova.png)


 No.2286544

>>2285838

most LARPers are from america.


 No.2286545

>>2285719

go back to shitposting on /pol/ JIDF, there on your level


 No.2286648

File: a65033d77a712f0⋯.png (45.51 KB, 598x447, 598:447, 1a393a8664051d49e77fd39991….png)


 No.2286654

>>2286541

Pretty good, now hopefully he’ll leave the Kurds alone.


 No.2286947

>>2286541

>>2286648

>>2286654

The article makes a good point. There won't be peace in Syria unless there's recognization of the "self administration".


 No.2287102

>>2286541

Can't Mossad the Assad haha am I right fellow leftists?


 No.2287920

File: d33aa039274aa0f⋯.jpg (138.84 KB, 1024x683, 1024:683, IMG_20171130_182555.jpg)

File: aa5c84386af868d⋯.png (212.49 KB, 960x960, 1:1, Northern_Syria_High_Electo….png)

The second stage of the federal democratic elections in northern Syria began today in the 3 regions of northern Syria (Afrin, Euphrates and al Jazeera) which includes 6 cantons: al Hasakah, Qamishlo, Kobanê, Gire Sipi (Tal Abyed), Afrin and al Shabah https://t.co/rnALcmeQ5q


 No.2287922

>>2287920

Counting the votes of local administration elections in the Afrin, Firat and Cizire cantons began and is overseen by members of the higher electoral commissions and teachers

ANHA https://t.co/c7ftYIk4J9


 No.2287927

File: 4c6d54ab434d852⋯.jpg (133.15 KB, 1024x683, 1024:683, IMG_20171202_000010.jpg)

File: 79510fc0f7768a7⋯.jpg (123.89 KB, 1024x683, 1024:683, IMG_20171202_000013.jpg)

Also today over a dozen US military bases in Syria representatives and DeZ civil council joint chairman met with tribal leaders/residents of DeZ countryside to talk about the situation of civilians.

It was pointed out over a dozen US military bases in Syria rescued many civilians especially women and they're doing everything to transfer civilians to safe areas. Marqada and surrounding villages have already been cleared and residents are returning.


 No.2287933

And last but not least:

Internationalist commune of Rójava is a place to Learn, Support and Organize within and from the Rojavâ Revolution. The aim is to spread the ideas of democratic confederalism arround the world

https://t.co/QDRkdn9UiN

Learn more about them here:

internationalistcommune.com/about-us/


 No.2287955

And for our pro-Russian friends:

Representive of Russian Army in Syria the General "Alexi Kim" was in visit to one election center in Qamishli City

Fedralisem Elections for North Syria. https://t.co/oXt6MlEysT


 No.2288073

>>2287102

>he barrelbombs last bakeries


 No.2288591

http://www.pravda.rs/2017/12/02/kurdski-prebeg-otkrio-ovo-je-pakleni-plan-amerike-za-razbuktavanje-novog-rata-na-severu-sirije-video/

>US is changing its role in syria after the fall if IS sais Mattis

>turk reports claim that the US is increasing its supply of arms to its allies in northern syria in contrast to official US DoD statements

>SDF defectors claim the over a dozen US military bases in Syria is run by US agencies on an infrastructulal and technical level, while political figures and public image are given to local militias to maintain credibility

>the creation of over a dozen US military bases in Syria was said to be the result of the US needing to bypass turkeys condemnation of direct US support to PKK affiliated over a dozen US military bases in Syria


 No.2288596

>>2288591

all thats been pretty common knowlidge to anyone who isnt living under a rock really.

also i bet removing those dumb wordfilters would save alot of space if nothing else.


 No.2288691

>>2288596

What’s annoying is that they apply the same filter to multiple words which makes it hard to understand if somebody is talking about Y P G, the P Y D, or R*java.


 No.2289073

>>2283009

In Syria "division" means brigade, "brigade" means battalion, and "battalion" means company.


 No.2289078

File: 7266311a534a741⋯.jpg (36.81 KB, 400x400, 1:1, glasses.jpg)

>>2263861

You have been visited by

Based sunglasses APO

Democratic confederalism will come to you, but only if you say

BIJI SEROK APO


 No.2289082

File: 3885bf55d4f1911⋯.jpg (132.52 KB, 1280x992, 40:31, IMG_20171022_184035.jpg)

>>2289078

BIJI SEROK APO


 No.2289115

>>2282713

actually the alternative is 0-71 students per classroom. may next time you'll be allowed to sit at the big kid's table.


 No.2289128

>>2289115

The students have the alternative of either studying with 72 people per class or not studying and growing up uneducated and illiterate.


 No.2289159

File: 97ea14f316f1b8c⋯.jpg (26.8 KB, 620x364, 155:91, IMG_20171202_200513.jpg)

Fierce clashes continue in the village of Suwaidan.

After 3 days of fighting, 72 IS members were killed and 5 were taken prisoner.

ANHA

https://t.co/3B5e3JdaPW


 No.2289274

>>2289159

this doesn't invalidate the news that PKK had a ceasefire alliance with ISIS. obviously it ended, but it still existed. and don't be suprised if it begins again.


 No.2289313

>>2289274

Ah, but my friend:

“We [SDF] deny all allegations and lies spread by those who try to distort the victories of Syrian Democratic Forces by fabricating lies to raise the morale of the collapsed terrorists and to abuse us,” said Mustafa Bali, a spokesperson, a spokesperson for the over a dozen US military bases in Syria.

http://www.basnews.com/index.php/en/news/middle-east/396095

Also: over a dozen US military bases in Syria has resumed military operations against ISIS,and have began shelling Abu Hamam and Al-Kushkiyeh,in preparations to storm the villages of Shaitat clan region

https://twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/936306941462278146

Fake news fam. Why on Earth would they have a truce? It's all just desert territory and hamlets.


 No.2289326

File: e2c5601fd45df70⋯.jpg (231.99 KB, 1164x1981, 1164:1981, IMG_20171202_221506.jpg)

>>2289274

This is all that remains of Daesh in Syria. A lull in the fighting + a picture of a scrap of paper on SyriaLiveMap doesn't = a truce.


 No.2289827

>>2289326

>hurr durr because it's on paper doesn't mean it's true.


 No.2289976

>>2288591

>SDF defectors claim

Stopped reading right there.


 No.2290026

>>2289976

They mean the former spokesperson for the Syrian Democratic Forces. Poor guy, actually. The Turks threatened his kids so now he reads off scripts produced by the MIT.


 No.2290172

>>2289976

then how come

>IS defectors claim

>FSA defectors claim

>goverment defectors claim

are ok then?


 No.2290222

>>2290172

They mean this guy. There's defectors then there's Turkish Intel Ops trying to undermine and justify it's attacks https://twitter.com/EndiZentarmi/status/937270957940592641?s=09


 No.2290229

File: 2852ec282c7ebac⋯.jpg (116.75 KB, 1008x567, 16:9, IMG_20171203_123418.jpg)

File: 83b100dc7ecf743⋯.jpg (272.51 KB, 1242x1223, 1242:1223, IMG_20171203_123416.jpg)

YP.G General Command stated Deir Al Zour countryside was fully liberated from IS with the cooperation of the tribal clans, and the support of the Coalition and Russian forces.

They are ready to form a joint operation room with their partners to fight IS

ANHA

https://t.co/GxDN80BNTN


 No.2290252

File: 654e5145434b9a7⋯.jpg (138.11 KB, 2000x1333, 2000:1333, IMG_20170101_051454.jpg)

>>2290229

From SyriaCivilWarMap:

"Asked a S.DF soldier about the meeting between S.DF officials and Russian officials

His answer: 'Cooperation between Russia and the Syrian Democratic Forces is improving. The Russians started with air strikes against ISIS positions in support of the Syrian Democratic Forces' " https://t.co/7rsRCTR0r1


 No.2290272

>>2290252

>mfw russia is working with a US puppet

>mfw that means russia is imperialist

>mfw that means ISIS are the only anti-imperialists in the region

>mfw we must critically support ISIS against Atlanticist and Russian Imperialism


 No.2290292

File: 6d94312707d6fb4⋯.png (744.52 KB, 929x891, 929:891, Screenshot_20170313-144326.png)


 No.2290349

File: d377603b2fc89d3⋯.jpeg (13.53 KB, 160x160, 1:1, E2AE5307-7B37-49E5-B962-6….jpeg)

>>2290272

>working with the Y P G makes Russia imperialist but stationing troops in Syria, having the Syrian gov guarantee Gazprom oil rights, and building pipelines doesn’t

Almonds = activated


 No.2290359

>>2290222

but all sides exploit defectors and hostages for their propaganda.

be the iraqi gzy that "told" german intel services about saddams WMDs to get a nice apartment or a ISIS hostage infront of a camera


 No.2290367

>>2290272

>>2290349

>>2290292

it was never about some abstract "imperialist" label tho.

it was about ensuring peace, stability, prosperity and integrity of the peoples in the region,


 No.2290389

>>2290367

>>2290367

Reported for minimizing/supporting imperialism


 No.2290399

>>2290367

And this is what the Democratic Federation or Northern Syria provides


 No.2291666

>>2290389

but i dont support r0java


 No.2291670


 No.2291671

File: e9b54645708f830⋯.jpg (17.05 KB, 438x511, 6:7, pvt pile.jpg)

>>2290399

>peace, stability, prosperity and integrity of the peoples in the region

>this is what the Democratic Federation or Northern Syria provides


 No.2291786

>>2291666

Assad is an imperialist proxy.


 No.2291908

Rojava shouldn't exist. period.


 No.2291943

>>2291786

everyone is.


 No.2292023

>>2291908

t. butthurt keyboard ☭TANKIE☭


 No.2292090

>>2291671

>peace

Without the SyDF Northern Syria would probably still be controlled by ISIS.

>stability

They don't have a civil war or ethnic conflict in their territory.

>prosperity

As prosperous as a region intentionally left undeveloped.

>integrity of the peoples of the region

All ethnicities are treated equally and protected, as opposed to Assad literally ethnic cleansing the Kurds.


 No.2292273

>>2292090

>Without the SyDF Northern Syria would probably still be controlled by ISIS

wiped out in a matter of weeks, months at best.

all S.DF has done is cockblock the SAA

>They don't have a civil war or ethnic conflict in their territory.

neither do syrian govt controlled areas.

not to mention they are creating a powdercake with their quasi-state

>All ethnicities are treated equally and protected, as opposed to Assad literally ethnic cleansing the Kurds

disregarding the Washington Post (no pun intended), US presence in the region goes against all four of those qualities.


 No.2292307

>>2292273

Without the SyDF the SAA would probably still be trying to capture Raqqah at best, while all of northern Syria would probably be occupied by Turkey instead of a small part by Al-Bab. The only time that SyDF could've be said to have cockblocked SAA was by capturing Tabqah before them.

>neither do syrian govt controlled areas.

Which used to be the entire country before the war; that's my point.

>US presence in the region goes against all four of those qualities.

The US presence has so far led to nothing except ending ISIS sooner. The US is trying to make a puppet out of a faction that clearly knows the US' intentions and has no desire to be their puppet. Right now the US is giving aid to a faction that has done nothing for them that they weren't going to do already in the hope they can puppeteer a faction that knows the US is their capitalist, imperialist enemy. I doubt a single person in the SyDF believes the US is anything except a momentary helpful enemy.


 No.2292407

>>2292307

>Without the SyDF the SAA would probably still be trying to capture Raqqah at best, while all of northern Syria would probably be occupied by Turkey instead of a small part by Al-Bab. The only time that SyDF could've be said to have cockblocked SAA was by capturing Tabqah before them.

the whole reason turkey went in was to cockblock and counter the kurds. ISIS is just a patsy like with the US invasion. If the US didnt make SyDF what it is today the turks would be still backing rebels and making deals with IS to hand over territory in exchange for oil money and arms.

>Which used to be the entire country before the war; that's my point

so your point is that countries attacked by the US are bad?

>The US presence has so far led to nothing except ending ISIS sooner.

the US literally bombed forces succesfully combating IS and gave the terrorists equipment and evacuated their commanders when neccessary.

they created a proxy to blockade syrian forces from advancing and continued to support non-IS terrorists.

you must be joking

>The US is trying to make a puppet out of a faction that clearly knows the US' intentions and has no desire to be their puppet.

sorryto inform you that needs preceede desires

>Right now the US is giving aid to a faction that has done nothing for them

you dont know what the pentagons endgame here is do you?

>a faction that knows the US is their capitalist, imperialist enemy

>great enemies

>work for eachother

this is a bigger oxymoron than the molotov-ribbentrop pact

>I doubt a single person in the SyDF believes the US is anything except a momentary helpful enemy.

i have assumptions too


 No.2292539

>>2292407

>the whole reason turkey went in was to cockblock and counter the kurds

You think Turkey's imperialistic aspirations ends with fucking over Kurds? The very fact that they're supporting the rebels shows that's not true.

>If the US didnt make SyDF what it is today the turks would be still backing rebels and making deals with IS to hand over territory in exchange for oil money and arms.

When did ISIS ever hand over territory?

>so your point is that countries attacked by the US are bad?

My point is the Syrian Government wasn't capable of keeping their country peaceful. There's plenty of countries under attack by the US that hasn't devolved into civil war. Assad wasn't a good boy and he didn't dindu nuffin.

>the US literally bombed forces succesfully combating IS and gave the terrorists equipment and evacuated their commanders when neccessary.

What are you talking about?

>they created a proxy to blockade syrian forces from advancing and continued to support non-IS terrorists.

I'm talking about in the DeFNS.

>sorryto inform you that needs preceede desires

And the SyDF is well aware of that, which is why they're constantly negotiating with the government and Russia. They're not dumb enough to think they have any friends that aren't the mountains.

>you dont know what the pentagons endgame here is do you?

I'm well aware of what is it. I'm saying the Pentagon isn't some 34d chessmaster who can see the future. They're desperately hoping that the SyDF will give them what they want but there's no guarantee they will.

>this is a bigger oxymoron than the molotov-ribbentrop pact

The SyDF literally had no choice. The US was the only thing that prevented Kobane from falling along with the rest of Rójava. Ideological purity is for those who aren't facing genocide.

>i have assumptions too

There's countless videos and personal testimonies of people talking about it. They'd have to be literally retarded to think the US is a genuine ally of a socialist movement.


 No.2292630

File: ac8167adc137725⋯.jpg (48.54 KB, 620x350, 62:35, 58d2f0ad67b0a9319caa3818.jpg)

File: 467b73061faaf4f⋯.jpg (93.17 KB, 960x720, 4:3, C7d5-JOXwAInhPN.jpg)

Russian soldiers celebrating Newroz in Afrin.

US soldiers and Y.PG fighters dancing together in Rojavâ. https://t.co/UlK8A3wBqs


 No.2292714

File: 988b92dc2086ac0⋯.jpg (76.16 KB, 680x529, 680:529, IMG_20171204_170457.jpg)

File: 834d7ba9f6ba155⋯.jpg (58.47 KB, 740x476, 185:119, IMG_20171204_170455.jpg)

"In order to support the offensive conducted by the people’s militia formed by the eastern Euphrates tribes and the Kurdish militias, the Russian Aerospace Force carried out 672 sorties, hitting more than 1,450 targets,"

https://t.co/HL8Vhg7zeF https://t.co/Lh54NzutB7


 No.2292870

File: 74a89cb1b098c06⋯.jpg (80.88 KB, 534x1024, 267:512, 0d4e6a92b9eceae0f877c6b90d….jpg)

>>2292630

Many on the left have problems with this but I don't really. Military people actually interacting with Socialists is a good thing and hopefully combats a lot of the right wing propaganda that pervades the Military. Like it or not, sections of the Military will have to switch left to join the Revolution.


 No.2292893

>>2292870

Why would Leftists have a problem with conscripts fraternizing with other proles?


 No.2292921

>>2292893

Tankies have been losing their shit over it for ages. "Waah the over a dozen US military bases in Syria are traitors to socialism"


 No.2292932

>>2292921

It’s not even all ☭TANKIE☭s. There are lots of MLs and Maoists fighting for R*java.


 No.2293004

Stop supporting imperialism u bitch


 No.2293048

File: 84ecf0eb96c688a⋯.png (84.9 KB, 1425x651, 475:217, leftyposting.png)


 No.2293068

>>2293048

America is literally satanic and needs to be forced down from the world stage. There is no future for a world ruled by the US.


 No.2293197

>>2292539

>They're not dumb enough to think they have any friends that aren't the mountains.

This. There’s a reason they have that saying. They know from their own history that nobody helps them without an ulterior motive, and that they only people they can trust are themselves. If they are working with the US it’s because they are using them, and they are in a position to manipulate both the US and Russia to their ends. If anybody is playing 4D chess it’s the Kurds.


 No.2293211

File: 71ec348d8dbf28d⋯.jpg (50.85 KB, 850x400, 17:8, Satanic Stalin.jpg)

File: 1c87ba93fbb962a⋯.png (173.74 KB, 820x420, 41:21, 1c87ba93fbb962a1a4f2e1d5c8….png)

File: 67b9c09bf9f70e8⋯.jpg (71.9 KB, 500x500, 1:1, avatars-000130322944-m3sep….jpg)

>>2293068

No, America is representative of the Tyrant Demiurge, Anti imperialists/MLs are more akin to Lucifer/Sathanas as we are the dialectical adversary to the current world order


 No.2293222

>>2292870

It's not a problem at all. I posted it to show that through all the bullshit going on, people are still people. Russian, Kurd, and burger :^)


 No.2293954

File: 1549c3d1f3047ee⋯.png (2.6 MB, 1493x723, 1493:723, snake.png)

How can we educate Assad and putin about imperialism so they don't keep making these infantile blunders.

https://twitter.com/leventkemaI/status/937998728107118593


 No.2293988

>>2293954

>good for preventing an invade from mongol invaders

Lmao based Hzrvan


 No.2293989

File: fbcbe54cfd4a55b⋯.jpg (255.77 KB, 1241x1651, 1241:1651, IMG_20171205_121934.jpg)

File: fd980d4f0f0c50d⋯.jpg (32.53 KB, 620x364, 155:91, IMG_20171205_121935.jpg)

The High Electoral Commission disclosed the outcomes of the Local Administration’s elections of the second stage of the Democratic North-Syria Federation elections during a press conference

ANHA

https://t.co/RWNmpbqD6V


 No.2293994

File: cd26b72f6bd5bbe⋯.jpg (74.4 KB, 960x540, 16:9, IMG_20170627_050509.jpg)

Syrian Democratic Forces fighters foiled an IS attack in the Abu Hammam and Sawidah villages and killed 46 IS members.

There are still sporadic clashes near Abu Hammam.

Unfortunately, 2 Syrian Democratic Forces fighters were martyred fighting heroically against IS terrorism

ANHA

https://t.co/i1FMosST7m


 No.2294373

>>2275091

>america was anti imperialist at its founding

Buddy have you ever fucking heard of settler colonialism?

Or the Barbary War?


 No.2294379

>>2275091

>Not 70 years, america was anti imperialist at its founding

>intentionally spreading disease and regularly going to war with or backstabbing native americans since literally day one is not imperialism

Nice one


 No.2294467

>>2293989

Does anybody have any info on the different parties in R*java? What policies they support, their political alignment, etc.


 No.2294509

>>2294467

Yes!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Rojava

I know it's Wikipedia but the primary sources are with in Arabic, Syriac, or Kurdish which translates horribly.


 No.2294934

>>2293211

why would anyone chose the left hand path?


 No.2295275

File: 801215518ddb7fe⋯.gif (2.9 MB, 309x313, 309:313, wah.gif)

>>2292714

So are you telling me that the Russian airforce was a part of the American imperialist project all along?


 No.2295303

>>2294509

Doesn’t this kind of BTFO the ☭TANKIE☭ argument that the Bolsheviks couldn’t hold new elections to the Soviets during the civil war?


 No.2295359

>>2294373

>>2294379

>revolutionary breakaway against greatest empire in world is imperialist due to colonialism

>moribund imperial successor state reconquering and subverting its former holdings isn't imperialist

>especially not when propping up ethnoreligious minority supremacist regime


 No.2295363

>>2295303

the bolsheviks never intended to have a multi party goverment.

back then one party systems were still relavant. today tho most goverments relly on farce democracies to D&C the stupid masses.


 No.2296115

>>2295303

Yup. Also dispels the myth that it's a single party set up by the PYD.


 No.2296170

>>2295303

no, because over a dozen US military bases in Syria is an American puppet.


 No.2296354

File: 333a0cf5a233c95⋯.jpg (103.96 KB, 960x720, 4:3, IMG_20170606_093552.jpg)

The Syrian Democratic Forces again thanks Russian army and air support for its support in Deir ar-Zour campaign that was completely recently. https://t.co/HS3KSpzPg8


 No.2296416

>>2296170

How so? They collaborate with America’s regional enemies and fight against its treaty allies.


 No.2296421

>>2296170

>American puppets

>actively collaborating with America’s enemies

>waging open war against America’s treaty allies

Truly Trump is playing 10^12968 D chess.


 No.2296623

File: 710d05fa73924ca⋯.jpg (1.73 MB, 4632x2692, 1158:673, go to island vaccation.jpg)

>>2296421

>>2296416

>i take dejure news at face value


 No.2296636

>>2295303

The Bolsheviks were on their own fighting against a dozen other countries. PYD is supported by the biggest imperialist power and was therefore never in serious danger.

PYD did not only get supported by the USA, also subtly by Turkey, who established agreements over a gas pipeline with the PYD. They are being pushed to secure oil and gas fields for foreign capital interests, acting effectively as the left-wing of capitalist imperialism. Kurdish politics have always been extremely opportunistic in the past, so this doesn't come as a surprise. It's not a proletarian movement or ideology whatsoever.


 No.2296637

>>2296623

How long before the over a dozen US military bases in Syria demesne gets too big and they get negative vassal opinions?


 No.2296643

>>2296637

There is literally no reason for them to do that. Öcalan's entire ideology is based on "westernization" and "democratization", it's not about class. The USA is going to stay there for a while, and will gladly support the Kurds as long as they have access to the fossil fuels there. There are already talks about this.


 No.2296646

>>2296636

Is the PYD-Turkish Gas pipeline agreement recognized as factual by respected journalists and observers?


 No.2296658

>>2296646

https://www.txfnews.com/News/Article/6194/Southern-Gas-Corridor-Pipe-dream-to-pipe-reality

It's basically obvious at this point. There is big money behind this, they would never accept to such an investment if the PYD were some unreasonable socialist ideologues. Turkey and the PYD are not that much at odds as it is usually stated by the opportunist left, Turkey has even helping the PYD by taken care of injured soldiers and the such. Talks between Turkey, USA and PYD are being constantly held as we speak. The PYD is the leftist face of the inevitable totalitarianism of capital.

Even Öcalan himself has made concessions to Turkey, and is more under house arrest as he is a prisoner, he said in 1998:

>The dialogue between Turkey and the PKK, then the agreement would be good for Turkey and would make it stronger. All we ask for is real democracy in Turkey. I am more of a Turk than the Turkish leaders! … It is not possible for us to be communists. Why the Soviet Union collapsed and the United States did not? Because in communism the government is everything but a human being is nothing. USA is development.

Öcalan was always in favor of NATO, USA and Turkish imperialism.

>>2296645

No you red liberal, cooperatives are not socialism, socialism is proletarian abnegation not self-exploitation. PYD says:

>Who should own the means of production? The state, the cantons, the capitalists? In general we have to protect private property. However, the property of the people must also be protected.

Öcalan himself has stated that class isn't important anymore through technology. He negates the economic contradictions of class society. It's not about socialism. You'll find as much socialism im R*ojava as you can find in Donbass.


 No.2296668

>>2296665

Better in what sense?


 No.2296677

>>2296658

The Southern Gas Coridor doesn't go through Syria. The article you posted doesn't mention anything about Syria. Worth noting that even the DPRK and Cuba utlize cooperatives, with the latter utilizing them more as of late. Ocälan said this before he was arrested, and before actually formulating his own theory of "Democratic Confederalism". I assume that at the time, with the fall of the USSR, he believed the PKK's best chance was to become another sucdem party. History didn't turn out like that and PKK is still waging a people's war against turkey.


 No.2296775

>>2296677

Also when he said it wasn’t the PKK in peace talks with the Turks? It’s not surprising that he would be a little more cordial at such a time.


 No.2296776

>>2296636

R*java was almost wiped out by ISIS, so yes, they were in “real danger”. To my knowledge the Bolsheviks never came as close to defeat during the civil war as the Kurds did in Kobane. Of course they only held elections once their position was secure and ISIS was on the ropes, but that’s still more than you can say for the Bolsheviks, who didn’t bother holding them even after they were established.


 No.2296777

>>2296676

Also I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to call direct democracy plus workplace democracy DotP at the very least.


 No.2296782

File: 17bcf5c9db6a755⋯.jpg (54.23 KB, 381x493, 381:493, stalin-vote_whocounts-coun….jpg)

>>2296645

>we will abolish classes!

>just makes everything into two classes; the people and the warlords


 No.2296786

>>2296782

The fuck are to talking about? How does a bottom up direct democracy have warlords?


 No.2296871

>>2296776

>the Bolsheviks didn't hold elections after the Civil War

… wow.

>>2296777

No, for a DotP you need proletarians in power. Mixed economy with private entrepreneurs and co-ops is not a fucking DotP. Looks like modern China is a DotP after all.


 No.2296942

>>2296871

>No, for a DotP you need proletarians in power.

They have that through the commune and council systems. The bourgeoisie in the country consists of a few independent farmers and businesses, the majority of industry is collectivized either through socialization or as coops. The porkies aren’t nearly powerful enough to hijack the electoral system the way they can in western countries, and so their democracy is dictatorship of the proletariat.


 No.2296950

File: b485ed79e9d1c33⋯.png (114.9 KB, 681x383, 681:383, YOU HAD ONE JOB.png)

>>2290272

All Putin had to do was listen to Dugin, now look at what's happened.

ISIS are the true NAZBOL Eurasianists fucking confirmed

DEATH TO ATLANTICISM


 No.2296953

>>2296658

oh wow, this is just pathetic.


 No.2296991

>>2290367

You sound like any run of the mill liberal politician


 No.2297020

File: 6850dfa197b8bd8⋯.gif (2.84 MB, 310x232, 155:116, 1450436882505.gif)

>>2296786

>How does a bottom up direct democracy have warlords?

>w-what?! what is happening?! where am i?! real world!? whats that!?


 No.2297021

>>2296991

except liberals dont know whats happening in the real world, much like most other anglosphere posters on here


 No.2297027

>>2297020

Where are the proofs billy?


 No.2297039

File: ea1b56814d1abab⋯.jpg (80.51 KB, 599x313, 599:313, Southern_Gas_Corridor.jpg)

>>2296658

Your link is just talking about a Azerbaijani-Turkish pipeline which is nothing to do with Rоjava. Just tell me at which point in this map does the pipeline across through Syria at all.

>Turkey has even helping the PYD by taken care of injured soldiers and the such.

Need some citation on that and please don't post another unrelated article.

>Talks between Turkey… and PYD are being constantly held as we speak.

Proofs needed again.

I swear 90% of shit thrown at Rоjava is propaganda and lies. Can it really be that hard to think of some legitimate criticism for once? Decent arguments can and have been made about the US' role in Syria but there is no need to make shit up to make a point.


 No.2297050

File: 4db141954f21f77⋯.jpg (164.21 KB, 990x500, 99:50, IMG_20171207_103806.jpg)

A new mass grave from 2014 has been discovered in Qebir Imi village 22 km east of Manbij

A Manbij Military Council commander stated there were 15 bodies in a grave, 20 in the 2nd and 200 in the 3rd.

Corpses belong to local people who were taken captive and tortured to death by IS

This is only one of many recently discovered. Just days ago Yezidi graves were found in Iraq.

ANF

https://t.co/J9F5UMJ70V


 No.2297056

>>2296871

>Mixed economy with private entrepreneurs and co-ops is not a fucking DotP.

Genuine question; was the Soviet Union under the NEP a DotP?


 No.2297104

File: 36da04deb66eca4⋯.png (782.33 KB, 2500x1474, 1250:737, kurdistan-map.png)

>>2297039

>hurr durr De jure borders

anarkiddies can't face the fact that it goes directly through De facto Rоjava.


 No.2297106

>>2297027

where are your proofs? and dont expect me to take some propaganda at face value


 No.2297107

>>2297106

>Make positive claim

>Demand others provide proof contrary.

I thought you guys were supposed to be good with Logic. Looks like you need to read more Hegel.


 No.2297120

File: 440707e8e050e3d⋯.png (346.31 KB, 1190x792, 595:396, de facto MENA map.png)

>>2297104

My good lord above; you are as thick as pig shit.

Firstly Rоjava means West Kurdistan; that is Northern Syria which the aforementioned pipeline does not cover.

Also de facto means that of which exists in reality. So, de facto, Turkey controls controls the pipeline, not the Kurds in the picture you have shown. De facto, Kurds have no say in this agreement.

Now point to me on this de facto map of where the pipeline crosses through de facto Rоjava.


 No.2297128

File: 4b5941e636f0b98⋯.png (651.22 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2297120

>Firstly Rоjava means West Kurdistan

that's what it means De Jure. We're having an adult conversation here, try to keep up.


 No.2297138

>>2297039

Oh so THAT'S why Erdogan is the first Turkish President to go to Greece in 65 years, gotcha.


 No.2297160


 No.2297202

>>2297128

I was stating that Rоjava does not de facto control de jure Bakur. Hence why I implied that Rоjava de facto controls Northern Syria.

So is it being implied that Rоjava does not de facto control Northern Syria? Or that that Rоjava de facto controls Bakur?

If not; I don't know why we are arguing other semantics.


 No.2297229

>>2297202

look at the map, idiot.


 No.2297251

>>2297229

From the map (>>2297120) I see that Rоjava does not control any land in which the pipeline goes through so I don't know what >>2296658 is talking about when the Rоjava de facto controls said land.


 No.2297373

File: e9db84c70c9d879⋯.png (149.41 KB, 600x859, 600:859, Untitled.png)

>>2297251

Rоjava is a puppet of Nato. Guess which countries are in Nato?


 No.2297375

File: b9cf0ed709bb7c9⋯.png (2.51 KB, 882x52, 441:26, Untitled.png)

>>2297373

wrong pic


 No.2297503

>>2297373

>>2297375

Even if that were true; that does prove anything >>2296658 said to be valid. Rоjava is still nothing to do with the pipeline.

Also NATO is a military defence organisation and has little apposite relation with the pipeline plans.


 No.2297518

>>2297503

Not even mentioning the US will help the Turks crush the over a dozen US military bases in Syria when the opportunity arises.


 No.2297533

File: af4caf2b04e0fc8⋯.jpg (33.33 KB, 220x294, 110:147, IMG_1961.JPG)

>>2297373

>Labour creates all wealth

Nigga don't test me.


 No.2297650

>>2297039

>Just tell me at which point in this map does the pipeline across through Syria at all.

Are you really being this delusional? To have a complacent, pacified West Kurdistan is obviously a major goal of the imperialist powers.

>So the absolute majority of Syrian Kurds have been neutral; no support for Turkish (or Saudi) puppets, all power to the pan-Kurdish cause. PYD leader Salih Muslim Muhammad has summed it all up: "What is important is that we Kurds assert our existence."

>What Ankara could do to minimise its nightmare is to discreetly help the Syrian Kurds economically - ranging from aid to investments in infrastructure - via its good relations with Iraqi Kurdistan.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/201285133440424621.html

Imperialism is foreign capital. All you need to do is follow the flow of money. Erdogan is not an idiot, he knows that he needs to pacify R*ojava that's why he secretly helps them. Kurds have always been extremly opportunistic in their politics, and in the end, are more concerned about ethnic autonomy:

>“One day those Arabs who have been brought to the Kurdish areas will have to be expelled,” said Muslim in an interview with Serek TV. The PYD leader said that the situation in Qamishli and Hasakah is particularly explosive and that “if it continues the same way, there will be war between Kurds and Arabs.” Qamishli is the largest Kurdish city in Syria and Hasakah boasts most of the country’s oil wealth.

http://www.mesop.de/pyd-leader-warns-of-war-with-arab-settlers-in-kurdish-areas/

Western capital mostly enters R*java through a underlying cooperation between the PYD and the KRG:

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2013/05/eu-decision-lift-oil-embargo-misguided-syria-war.html

>Need some citation on that and please don't post another unrelated article.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/barzani-says-turkey-sent-arms-to-krg-pyd-members-treated-in-turkey--72924

>Meanwhile, Turkey is treating some 422 PYD members injured in ISIL’s attacks, in the Suruç district of the southeastern province of Şanlıurfa. In addition to the civilians who fled from Kobane to Turkey, members of the PYD who have fought against ISIL since Oct. 4 and have been wounded in Kobane were also treated in Turkish hospitals.

>We would have expected it from Turkey too, and Turkey sent [arms] later but asked us not to announce it due to domestic conjuncture.

This all compared with the long-term US presence going in there makes it clear what's the game here. An argument could be made if you say that the PYD are socialist, but they are not.

>>2297056

Was the bourgeoisie in the government? No. Is the bourgeoisie excluded from the government in R*java? No. It's class collaborationism. Seriously, read what Ocalan wrote himself.


 No.2297672

>>2297650

>Is the bourgeoisie excluded from the government in R*java? No. It's class collaborationism. Seriously, read what Ocalan wrote himself.

It’s true that the bourgeoisie aren’t explicitly excluded, but they are such a small portion of the population, and not nearly as wealthy as western porkies. They don’t have the power to hijack elections or buy politicians the way they do in the west, and so the sheer numbers of the workers easily defeat them. It practice it is worker’s self government and dictatorship of the proletariat.


 No.2297682

>>2297672

Again, reading your post you could make the argument that China is still a DotP. It's the seed for more capital accumulation in R*java, especially when western investments ramp up after the war. There have been many revolutions in history that worked together with the small national bourgeoisie and petit bourgeoisie and they've all succumbed to capitalism in the end. It's one thing to form a temporary alliance with the bourgeoisie but to constitutionally include them in the decision-making bodies will undermine whatever you define as a DotP.


 No.2297687

>>2297682

>Again, reading your post you could make the argument that China is still a DotP.

No, because China has a class of super porkies that can hijack any election, and China doesn’t have much in the way of democratic institutions anyway.

>It's the seed for more capital accumulation in R*java, especially when western investments ramp up after the war. There have been many revolutions in history that worked together with the small national bourgeoisie and petit bourgeoisie and they've all succumbed to capitalism in the end. It's one thing to form a temporary alliance with the bourgeoisie but to constitutionally include them in the decision-making bodies will undermine whatever you define as a DotP.

I agree with you there, I will admit that R*java is in serious danger of falling victim to imperialism and turning into capitalism. But that isn’t what they are at the current moment, and I think that it’s quite possible that if they make the right decisions they could easily maintain the integrity of their movement.


 No.2298062

>>2297650

I don't understand, are you trying to present an opinion piece on Al Jazira (Written by a Brazillian who?) as evidence for your claims?

>Erdogan is not an idiot, he knows that he needs to pacify R*ojava that's why he secretly helps them.

fucking source? you've been asked directly a dozen times now, and all you've brought forward is an article about a pipeline that doesn't involve Syria.

I was going to respond to your other points, but I realize you'll just nitpick those and ignore the first part of what I said, and I really want an answer to that. Where are the sources that agree with you? Why do you think we should weigh your opinion when you obviously haven't even read the articles you're claiming cite?


 No.2298310

>>2297107

the thesis is that rohjava is a US proxy.

then you pull out an antithesis that is just a bunch of apologism and whataboutism.

the synthesis would then be that its still best for the region to have them steamrolled.


 No.2298311

>>2297373

>>2297375

>dejure

yes, and the US is there to bring peace and democracy and to defend your freedom to shitpost on here


 No.2298321

>>2298310

>the thesis is that rohjava is a US proxy.

Lots of other things we've supported were also US proxies, you need to actually prove why R0java is a bad thing

>the synthesis would then be that its still best for the region to have them steamrolled.

Why?


 No.2298347

>>2298321

>Lots of other things we've supported were also US proxies

first of all dont use "we" on here without being a little more specific with who "we" is.

second of all that support is usually purely ideologically fueled and often with little longterm underdstanding.

>why R0java is a bad thing

because, if you have not, in all your wisdom, come to the finding, that further western meddleing and proxy wars in the region are not exactly a humanitarian blessing


 No.2298359

>>2298347

>first of all dont use "we" on here without being a little more specific with who "we" is.

Burger influence on the world has been so far-reaching, and so schizophrenic, that the only people who don't support any American proxies are either nose-upturned turbo-armchairs, or willfully flipflopping contrarians.

>western meddling

Surely you don't imagine "eastern" meddling would be any better?


 No.2298362

>>2298359

>Burger influence on the world has been so far-reaching, and so schizophrenic, that the only people who don't support any American proxies are either nose-upturned turbo-armchairs, or willfully flipflopping contrarians

thats why were focusing on the post-soviet world and the american end-of-history concept

>Surely you don't imagine "eastern" meddling would be any better?

count to me three cases of modern invasion or coups sponsored by china or russia in the middle east?


 No.2298458

>>2298310

What makes them a US proxy? The fact that the US helps them? Then that also makes them a Russian proxy, but they can’t be both at the same time. They are clearly playing both sides against one another for their own ends.


 No.2298589

>>2297650

>To have a complacent, pacified West Kurdistan is obviously a major goal of the imperialist powers.

This still has absolutely nothing to do with the damn pipeline.

>Syrian Kurds have been neutral; no support for Turkish (or Saudi) puppets… "What is important is that we Kurds assert" our existence

Nothing wrong with this.

>What Ankara could do to minimise its nightmare is to discreetly help the Syrian Kurds economically

The key word here is could . Turkey does not economically aid Rоjava.

>that's why he secretly helps them.

Some real citation would be nice.

I'm just going to straight up say that Muslim's comments on Qamishli Arabs is sectarian and backwards. I only hope they settle this peacefully and the Arabs get to stay in their homes.

>Western capital mostly enters R*java through a underlying cooperation between the PYD and the KRG

That is an inaccurate interpretation of the article. The article talks about (former) ordinary trade between the two states which involved exchanged refined gasoline and diesel fuel, that is, not "western capital". Also Rоjava has been under blockage from the KRG since 2014.

>[Barzani] also said Turkey is treating more than 400 people from the Democratic Union Party

> On our first night when we were attacked by ISIL, Iran sent us two airplanes full of weapons. This was a great help for that moment … We would have expected it from Turkey too, and Turkey sent [arms] later

I'll take Hürriyet Daily News' actual professional news reporting over Barzani getting assmad that he didn't receive enough aid from Turkey and then resorting to autistic screeching about Rоjava;

>Syrian Kurds accuse Turkey of refusing to transfer injured fighters to hospitals at border

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syrian-kurds-accuse-turkey-of-refusing-to-transfer-injured-fighters-to-hospitals-at-border-72966

>Was the bourgeoisie in the government?

During the NEP, in fact, they did.

According to Linda Randall's book 'Reluctant Capitalists: Russia's Journey Through Market Transition' in 1919 over half of top officials in the Soviet government departments dealing with production were bourgeois specialists who continued to run businesses well into the 1920s.

According to Stéphane Courtois; 80% of the members of the senior servants of the People's Commissariat of Finance worked under the old regime.

In Kozhevnikov's book 'Stalin's Great Science' the monarchist and Tsarist general Vladimir Ipatieff was appointed Chief of Soviet Chemical Industry.

As stated by Adam Curtis; These Bourgeois engineers made up over three quarters of Gosplan.

Sound fairly bourgeois to me.


 No.2298596

>>2298310

Thesis: Making claims based on links you haven't read and literal making things up

Antithesis: having beliefs informed by evidence and rationality

Synthesis: destroy /leftypol/ with butthurt shitposting and projection.


 No.2299951

File: e10213c9634a79d⋯.jpg (254.48 KB, 1383x936, 461:312, IMG_20171209_000137.jpg)

Turkish Army & proxy forces shelled Manbij Military Council positions in Qurt Wêrana, just north of Arima in the western Manbij countryside. This is the first major shelling in the region since the buffer zone was established with Russian and Syrian Border Guards.


 No.2299954

File: 583011409cc2aaf⋯.jpg (266.3 KB, 1520x1312, 95:82, IMG_20171209_000749.jpg)

Meanwhile, the Syrian Democratic Forces advanced in the Sh'eital Tribal Region along the Euphrates, making two pockets of IS resistance.


 No.2300048

How do you respond to the claims of Talal Silo that the over a dozen US military bases in Syria is a scam organization to make it look like it isn't dominated by Kurds when in fact only the Kurds have access to good weapons and leadership positions, that commanders and leaders are appointed or dismissed on US approval, that there is popular dissent against forced conscriptions?


 No.2300053

>>2300048

>Taking the Claims of one man as proven fact

Thats taking NK defector statements as gospel tier

<only the Kurds have access to good weapons and leadership positions,

The over a dozen US military bases in Syria Are overwhelmingly Arab

<that commanders and leaders are appointed or dismissed on US approval,

No Evidence has ever been provided for this

<that there is popular dissent against forced conscriptions?

While i think forced conscription is bad literally all factions in the conflict use it to some extent and the over a dozen US military bases in Syria cant be singled out


 No.2300073

>>2300048

He went from being a US puppet to a Turkish puppet. Considering that he was a leader of an FSA group that defected, I would not be surprised if he was a CIA asset that has turned over to turkish intelligence.


 No.2300078

>>2300073

>Turkey

>Not a US lapdog


 No.2300081

>>2300078

Turkey has it's own imperialist ambitions, and frankly resents a lot of the US's actions including but not limitied to keeping Gülen Hareketi safe, supplying the over a dozen US military bases in Syria with arms, supporting Iraqi-Kurdistan's independence etc.


 No.2300088

>>2298347

What imaginable argument is there against forced conscription in a young nation, at war, landlocked on all sides with enemies? I mean, sure, an all-volunteer force is desirable, but I don't think you can really rely on that in such a precarious situation.


 No.2300097

>>2300088

An anarchist for forced conscription?

Jesus fuck, the absolute state of anarchism.


 No.2300100

>>2300097

>What is Pragmatism

No on got anywhere by being a Ideological puritan


 No.2300103

>>2300100

It's that exact pragmatism that keeps communism from being real.


 No.2300113

>>2300097

I'm opposed to the slavery communists imposed in ML states because it forced people to do things nobody should be doing (working without compensation or representation, supporting the unelected bureaucratic aristocracy, etc.). Military conscription during such a desperate war is different, because it removes the perverse incentive of some people who avoid something everyone should be doing (fighting for survival).


 No.2300116

>>2300097

Let me guess you're one of thoise people who, for some reason, still consider anarchism to mean; "fuck you! don't tell me what to do!".


 No.2300124

File: 564012a4b33312b⋯.jpg (90.34 KB, 516x622, 258:311, communist_party_mask.jpg)

>>2300113

>red fashies=communists

Good one BO


 No.2300162

File: 9197b67ad802e8d⋯.jpg (226.46 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, YPG-Russia.jpg)

>>2299951

>Turks and "F"SA proxies attack buffer zone

>Kills ММC, Russian and Syrian Gov troops.

>Triggers joint ЅDF-SAA offensive to drive out the Turk

>Syria unified by both parties.


 No.2300260

>>2300048

The Turks threatened his kids. They're using him to justify their attacks against the over a dozen US military bases in Syria by saying all the lines MIT wants him to say. Sad on his part, even more proof that turkey is a fucking shit hole


 No.2300264

File: 654e5145434b9a7⋯.jpg (138.11 KB, 2000x1333, 2000:1333, IMG_20170101_051454.jpg)

>>2300260

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 No.2300267

File: c29b880ac9b297e⋯.jpg (171.84 KB, 1023x578, 1023:578, IMG_20170906_123447.jpg)

File: 8228e8e90b7eb59⋯.jpg (137.78 KB, 800x1200, 2:3, C6EwwaoWYAAsQII.jpg)

>>2300162

We can only hope the Turks fuck up that badly because now it's not so far fetched


 No.2300338

>>2300116

Didn't show now anarchism is about supporting a state with literal forced conscription.

>>2300113

What the fuck happened to no gods, no masters?

What the fuck happened to horizontal organization?


 No.2300353

>>2300338

North Syria/S.D.F. isnt Anarchist though…

Its democratic confederalism


 No.2300370

>>2300338

If the community decides it's going to war, tolerance for cowards will boil away like morning rain.


 No.2300656

File: 2b201f94be437f6⋯.png (680.69 KB, 1620x1080, 3:2, VICTORY IN IRAQ.png)


 No.2300697

File: a7e75eb270a6ec2⋯.jpg (88.76 KB, 499x562, 499:562, 360.jpg)


 No.2300851

>>2298458

the fact that they are enabling US military and political presence in a soveregin country effectively causing firther perpetual war and ruin in the region.


 No.2300866

>>2298596

exactl! finnaly someone who understands whats wrong with r*java supporters


 No.2300868

>>2300088

>What imaginable argument is there against forced conscription in a young nation

where did you pull forced conscription out of?


 No.2300872

>>2300103

in case you havent noticed humans have always tended to do what they beleived to be more pragmatic


 No.2300886

>>2300162

>>2300267

the turks know what theyre doing. theyre trying to make russia want a closer relationship with them because of their geopolitical importance and inturn want to make america compensate for it in both the south and in relation to the EU.

so far roachking managed to play off all sides in everything from al-bab to the ankara coup and never risked his entire existance on it, like the SyDF


 No.2300890

>>2300656

lets wager

>iran gains critical influence in iraq and the US sponsors a sunni opposition and an insurgency

>the US thinks they can handle it but end up spilling sphagetti anyway as iraqi govt drifts away slowly

pick one


 No.2300941

File: 292c48fc600961e⋯.jpg (160.1 KB, 784x1199, 784:1199, ASALA.jpg)

Armenian Secret Liberation Army (ASALA newspaper), featuring an ASALA and PKK member demonstrating their alliance against the Turkish state in 1980.


 No.2300996

File: c3978997e04ffd9⋯.png (600.75 KB, 484x1422, 242:711, flood.png)

SAA personnel comment SyDF flooding the euphrates to prevent syrian advance


 No.2301030

>>2300996

they pumped water into the river? from like irrigation channels or released Tabqa dam?


 No.2301043

>>2301030

apparently first from the smaller channels in the north and then backed it up with the bigger dams


 No.2301057

>>2300996

>Who would win?

>The Syrian Arab Army, led by President Bashar Al-Assad, the Lion of Damascus, Hero and Defender of the Syrian People

>or one moistboi


 No.2301065

>>2300851

They are also enabling Russian military presence, as are the Syrian Ba’athists. How is that different?

>inb4 the Russians were invited

By that logic the Vietnam War was okay because the Saigon Government invited the US. Anything you say about the Kurds applies equally to Assad, except that the Kurds actually practice democracy, both political and economic, making them easily the only remotely socialist or leftist faction in the region.


 No.2301652

>>2300996

This is old news. This came from the SAA when they were mad that the Syrian Democratic Forces were taking the oilfields east of the Euphrates. Same time Russia bombed the DMC and the SAA crossed the river. But since the Russia/SDF meeting things have not only cooled but cooperation between the two is better than ever.


 No.2301757

>>2300088

You're a bad Anarchist. Even Makhno was against conscription (although he might have compromised a few times) and he probably knew more about war than you. Conscription is bad pragmatically because you have people fighting only because they didn't want to get shot or go to jail, not because they actually believe in what they're fighting for. This creates shitty moral and makes the revolution look pathetic if it needs to force people to defend their own homes.

>>2300097

He's a bad anarchist.

>>2300113

Just become a Libertarian Leninist already.

>>2300370

Rule by the majority is still rule. An anarchist society cannot coerce people into doing something. Read Malatesta.


 No.2301779

>>2301757

Mahkno had his own secret police and kekalonia had prison camps. Stop being infantile.


 No.2301822

>>2301779

>secret police

How does the icepick feel?

>prison camps

I'm unsure of the circumstances surrounding them, whether they really were necessary or not. During war you can't really do anything with PoWs or traitors except imprisoning them, or worse and just summarily executing them.

>infantile

I'm merely being consistent and principled.


 No.2301904

>>2301822

Your principles are completely irrational and self contradicting. Consensus democracy will easily lead to a small minority filibustering whatever they dislike. At least memechin has the good sense to recognize this and include social contracts as part of his theories.


 No.2301913

HDP denounces Trumps Jerusalem move:

http://www.hdp.org.tr/en/english/statements/president-trump-is-trying-to-fire-a-regional-war-with-the-decision-of-jerusalem/11307

>We invite the US President Trump to repeal this irresponsible and dangerous decision and call upon the United Nations and the international community to take an active stance against it. Our historical solidarity with the Palestinian people and their struggle also determines our attitude towards such unilateral decisions. Jerusalem and the entire geography of the Middle East have different cultures, peoples, beliefs and languages. All historical, political, social and peaceful solutions can only be built on a negotiated understanding of this reality.

Guess this debunk ☭TANKIE☭s who scream about ethnonationalism and zionism


 No.2301982

>>2301904

I never said anything about consensus democracy, I said majoritarian rule is still rule.


 No.2301983

>>2301982

Then rule is literally impossible to avoid. Power exists no matter what anarkkiddie comrade


 No.2302007

File: 1a393a8664051d4⋯.png (50.69 KB, 598x447, 598:447, undefeated.png)

>>2301057

>Who would win?

>The Syrian Arab Army, led by President Bashar Al-Assad, the Lion of Damascus, Hero and Defender of the Syrian People

>or one global superpower that has ruined countless nations via wars and subversion to establish a global hegemoney


 No.2302008

>>2301652

>This is old news

it is, but alot of liberals on here were autistically screeching and calling it false when it was happenng


 No.2302012

>>2301065

>They are also enabling Russian military presence

which is negligable, as syria has already invited the russian forces to aid them in combating terrorism

>as are the Syrian Ba’athists

who have been pushed this far by US agression

>By that logic the Vietnam War was okay because the Saigon Government invited the US

yet the vitenam war was the US attempting to stop the spread of soviet influence with the support of the local regeime, whereas syria and other arab spring states were an act of invasion via unconventional means

>Anything you say about the Kurds applies equally to Assad

i didnt know the kurds managed to run syria prosperously like their father and were targeted by the US

>except that the Kurds actually practice democracyso does the syrian goverment.

everyone there knows that assad would win an election against any other candidate thanks to his popularity in liberated areas, so there were never any real political ambitions by anyone else to run for president.

the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

>making them easily the only remotely socialist or leftist faction in the region

and what is the point of socialism if the means outweigh the ends?


 No.2302014

File: 303de5a255d7154⋯.png (189.83 KB, 848x643, 848:643, powerscombined.png)

>>2301983

>Then rule is literally impossible to avoid. Power exists no matter what

<insert idealistic hypothesis here


 No.2302025

>>2302012

>who have been pushed this far by US agression

So? Does that excuse them being tools of Russia’s imperial ambition? Why do the pressures of war excuse the Syrians from collaboration with imperialists but not the Kurds?

>yet the vitenam war was the US attempting to stop the spread of soviet influence with the support of the local regeime, whereas syria and other arab spring states were an act of invasion via unconventional means

So half a million US troops in South Vietnam, incursions into Cambodia, as mass bombing of the North don’t count as an invasion? Face it, “they were invited” is a bullshit excuse. Of course they were fucking invited, Assad is an imperial proxy who will invite his imperial benefactors to prop up his regime. The South Vietnamese Government invited the US, does that make the Vietnam War not an act of imperialism?

>i didnt know the kurds managed to run syria prosperously like their father and were targeted by the US

The Kurds didn’t gain power solely because they were daddy’s boys and then use it to bring in sweeping neoliberal reforms. Assad was basically porky jr inheriting daddy’s dividendies. They took it at gunpoint from FSA and Daesh and used it to implement democracy and socialism.

>everyone there knows that assad would win an election against any other candidate thanks to his popularity in liberated areas, so there were never any real political ambitions by anyone else to run for president.

Yeah and Pinochet was just so popular he didn’t even need to run for an election right? You can’t possibly actually believe this, you can apply that to literally every third world dictator. Assad is a porky, his regime is filled with porkies. He isn’t socialist, and he isn’t democratic. Your only argument for supporting him is that he is “anti-imperialist” except he fucking isn’t because he is selling off oil rights to Gazprom and letting Russian soldiers run all over his country.

>and what is the point of socialism if the means outweigh the ends?

What are you a fucking liberal? Are you seriously suggesting that the stability of a bourgeois dictatorship is more important than establishing socialism? Of course socialism means the collapse of the Syrian state, it means the collapse of all bourgeois states. That’s the entire fucking point.


 No.2302263

>>2302012

>i didnt know the kurds managed to run syria prosperously like their father and were targeted by the US

Assad didn't run Syria prosperously, his neoliberal reforms tanked the economy and contributed significantly to the revolt.

>In response to a debt crisis in the 1980s the government announced an era of economic pluralism (ta’addudiyya), which meant further liberalizing the economy by opening it more to the private sector. This move appeased business interests and government aligned Sunni ‘ulama whose religious organizations and charitable works were increasingly dependent upon patronage from the private sector.[3] 

>Liberalization of the economy through privatization continued piecemeal throughout the 1990s but was openly adopted by Bashar al-Assad in several policy changes initiated in the early years of his presidency. Most notably, the “social market economy” was adopted as the new economic model for Syria in June of 2005 during the 10th regional congress of the Ba’ath party. This model, however, was “social” in name only. In practice it signaled a full-scale adoption of neoliberal economic policies absent of state-supported measures to provide welfare protections. As a result, these policies led to a dramatic rise in unemployment, an increase in those living below the poverty level,and the concentration of the nation’s wealth in the hands of an increasingly smaller percentage of its citizens.[4]

https://rlp.hds.harvard.edu/economic-policies-ideologies-1#_ftn4


 No.2302625

>>2302025

do you have a twitter account?


 No.2303076

>>2297650

>>We would have expected it from Turkey too, and Turkey sent [arms] later but asked us not to announce it due to domestic conjuncture.

>Barzani told Sky News Arabic that Turkey was also among the countries that sent arms to the region when ISIL attacked Iraqi Kurdistan, adding that Turkey did not want this news to be announced.

bazani said it


 No.2303078

>>2300048

>that there is popular dissent against forced conscriptions?

didn't they cave and stop conscriptions in at least one city? also I as understand it they get conscripted into a local militia for basically police duties, so as to free up volunteers for front line duties


 No.2303080

>>2300941

>Armenia secret liberation army

this is unironically the coolest name for any insurgent group I've heard


 No.2303200

File: 88ab90b26ef8005⋯.jpg (78.44 KB, 990x500, 99:50, 20171210-20171210-img-0277….JPG)

Officials from the Syrian Democratic Forces and the Iraqi army held a meeting on Sunday and agreed to establish a joint coordination center for border security and information flow.

Unprecedented as both the PMU and the Iraqi army have been ambivalent or hostile to the over a dozen US military bases in Syria.

https://t.co/85gskajdvr

The article:

https://anfenglish.com/news/sdf-iraqi-army-to-establish-joint-coordination-center-at-border-23591


 No.2303206

File: 34d640b68633ffd⋯.jpg (564.31 KB, 2048x1536, 4:3, IMG_20171211_022951.jpg)

Meeting of Syrian Democratic Forces Command in Deir-ez-zor. Coalition officials met with tribal leaders, sheikhs, and the civilian council in the region and assessed the situation.

https://t.co/BRtGlrynjV


 No.2303275

File: 17d3ad4de7e24b2⋯.png (120.92 KB, 1080x989, 1080:989, 1982.png)

>>2300941

Also united against Zionist imperialism


 No.2303309

>>2302025

>Does that excuse them being tools of Russia’s imperial ambition?

>Why do the pressures of war excuse the Syrians from collaboration with imperialists but not the Kurds

because collaboration with the US is what started all the troubles in the region

>So half a million US troops in South Vietnam

you said yourself they dejure dont

>incursions into Cambodia, as mass bombing of the North don’t count as an invasion?

that does tho. but if i said it you would come up with something like "escalation"

>The South Vietnamese Government invited the US, does that make the Vietnam War not an act of imperialism?

it does on the part of both blocs actually.

>The Kurds didn’t gain power solely because they were daddy’s boys

bashar had more experienced and militarised brothers. he was called upon from his surgeon study in england for a reason.

> to bring in sweeping neoliberal reforms

and lets see where US backed forces time will take

>They took it at gunpoint from FSA

no they didnt. they were surrounded by IS. by the time they met a different group they were already fighting turk proxies

>and used it to implement democracy and socialism

which is alot easier to do with a total war policy than with a state

>Yeah and Pinochet was just so popular he didn’t even need to run for an election right?

there were no elections in chile

>you can apply that to literally every third world dictator

i tought you were all about dejure?

>Assad is a porky, his regime is filled with porkies socialist, and he isn’t democratic

>no true scotsman we shall play

>Your only argument for supporting him is that he is “anti-imperialist”

wrong

>Are you seriously suggesting that the stability of a bourgeois dictatorship is more important than establishing socialism?

this debate is really going khmer rouge

anyway isnt the point of socailsim to make life better and more equal for everyone?

>it means the collapse of all bourgeois states

>implying it will spread

thats not how the world works. if anything you could atleast do something for socialism in your home country instead of being a hypocrite.


 No.2303312

>>2302263

>Assad didn't run Syria prosperously, his neoliberal reforms tanked the economy and contributed significantly to the revolt

wonder why the same didnt happen in other countries that were doing the same but happened to be US allies?


 No.2303352

new southfront

https://youtu.be/gnyl2zWTlJo

>Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon highway established

>SyDF claims they received no Russian support because US is on damage control

>israel wants to act against iran now


 No.2303370

>>2303312

But it did. Both the Tunisian and Egyptian presidents where US allies and they where overthrown. But I guess the unwashed masses rising up against their neoliberal oligarchs where all US plants subverting their own allies.

>Following the peace treaty with Israel, between 1979 and 2003, Egypt acquired about $19 billion in military aid, making Egypt the second largest non-NATO recipient of U.S. military aid after Israel. Also, Egypt received about $30 billion in economic aid within the same time frame. In 2009, the U.S. provided a military assistance of US$1.3 billion (inflation adjusted US$ 1.45 billion in 2017), and an economic assistance of US$250 million (inflation adjusted US$ 279.1 million in 2017).[4] In 1989 both Egypt and Israel became a Major non-NATO ally of the United States.


 No.2303387

>>2303370

egypt was targeted by the muslim brotherhood, a turk-qatar backed clique which acted with the blessing of the US govt and inturn intended to bring egypt closer to the gulf and further from syria.


 No.2303408

File: 28e898b526da23d⋯.png (557.86 KB, 866x750, 433:375, iran-leban.png)

>>2303352

seems like SyDF failed one of its main purposes


 No.2303432

>>2303387

Egypt could very well have been targeted by the muslim brotherhood. That same group was also purged by the military. Does not mean that the revolt didn't have a materialist basis.


 No.2303492

>>2303309

>because collaboration with the US is what started all the troubles in the region

The Arab Spring started in Tunisia and spread from there. The current unrest is unrelated to US involvement. Regardless, you can’t “well he started it” imperialism, so Russia’s involvement to protect their imperial influence in Syria doesn’t make them any better than the US trying to acquire imperial influence in Syria.

>you said yourself they dejure dont

Yes they fucking do, I was mocking your assertion that the Russians haven’t invaded Syria. They have. I’m not suggesting that Vietnam wasn’t imperialism, it’s what you are suggesting. In Vietnam, the fact that the government in Saigon invited the US presence didn’t mean anything, it was still imperialism. Syria is a similar situation. Just because Assad invited Russia doesn’t make it not imperialism, unless you are willing to deny that the Vietnam War was an imperialist war.

>bashar had more experienced and militarised brothers. he was called upon from his surgeon study in england for a reason.

But it was still a hereditary system rather than one based on inherently merit. They changed the fucking constitution just so he could become president. He is only president because of who his father was. That’s a monarchy.

>and lets see where US backed forces time will take

That’s speculation. As of right now the Kurds are practicing socialism and Assad is a neoliberal reformer. You can’t call yourself a socialist if you support him over the Kurds because that means you are prioritizing the territorial integrity of a bourgeois republic over the survival of a socialist experiment. That makes you a class collaborationist.

>there were no elections in Chile

Of course not, and the elections in Syria automatically allocated two thirds of the seats for the Ba’ath Party, which generally also won the rest of the seats because opposition was suppressed. It is not a democratic system.

>no true scotsman we shall play

What no true Scotsman? Explain to me how he is even remotely socialist? His dad was more to the left than he is and the most he did was social democracy and some nationalized industry while brutally repressing actual communists.

>this debate is really going khmer rouge

anyway isnt the point of socailsim to make life better and more equal for everyone?

Don’t try to change the subject. Tell me, why do you support a bourgeois state against a socialist state despite them both working with imperialist forces? If anti imperialism is more important to you than socialism then fine, but at least be consistent and oppose imperialism wholesale, don’t pick and choose which imperialism is okay and which isn’t based arbitrary bullshit. If you really want to impose imperialism then you would oppose all sides in the war.


 No.2303587

>>2303432

>Egypt could very well have been targeted by the muslim brotherhood. That same group was also purged by the military. Does not mean that the revolt didn't have a materialist basis

>muslim brotherhood was about ideology

are you retarded?


 No.2303724

>>2302008

I have never seen any discussion nor any autistic screeching about river rising magic on the Rоjava general. So I'm calling bullshit on that.


 No.2303733

>>2303587

It was not about ideology, it was about the working poor finally having enough with their despotic rulers :^)


 No.2303743

>>2303408

Yeah, they failed to take al-Bab


 No.2303750

>>2303724

either youre new here or you were one of the monkeys crying that the reports about flooding the river and deals with IS were false.


 No.2303751

>>2303733

th arab spring ahd nothing to do with democracy and social justice unless you were cannonfodder.


 No.2303753

>>2301983

Obviously power exists, the point is to create a society where it doesn't. Rule is not impossible to avoid and you'd know this if you actually read absolutely any anarchist theory.


 No.2303757

File: bcdbe693981eb9f⋯.jpg (152.05 KB, 584x1480, 73:185, 15192552_675984555897549_3….jpg)

>>2303753

this is western anarchism in a nutshell


 No.2303763

>>2303757

I don't understand what you're implying.


 No.2303771

>>2303763

im implying thats practically nearly impossible to create a larger anarchist society within the urban areas of the western world both because of the reactionary response it would get and the lack of effort put in by anarchists


 No.2303774

>>2303750

I'm getting a bit of deja vu here; Are you the guy that was saying that people in the Rоjava thread was going full autist when the Raqqa deal was happening?


 No.2303778

>>2303771

Those criticisms go for all current Leftist groups.


 No.2303900

>>2303408

dumb carpet niggers, you can just drive south, there's your road to the sea.


 No.2304264

File: 94a0105fa36ea44⋯.jpg (144.26 KB, 1024x682, 512:341, IMG_20171211_163904.jpg)

File: f045f625ff59633⋯.jpg (113.45 KB, 836x563, 836:563, IMG_20171211_163903.jpg)

>>2303200

More pictures of the Iraqi-Syrian Democratic Forces link up at the border.


 No.2304346

>>2300370

>If you don't want to fight for U.S imperialism we'll FORCE you to fight

Yeah, fuckoff anytime.


 No.2304387

>>2303753

And I'm telling you that it's impossible to have a society were power doesn't exist. You're avoiding elaborating on how such a system would exist because frankly you can't. If a minority tries to enact their will in contrast to the will of the majority, then a majority can just as easily organize their collective will against the minority. Both are more or less expressing their power.


 No.2304421

>>2304264

>Biji Barzani!

>Biji America!

>Biji Israel!!


 No.2304905

>>2303774

no, but i might have backed up that guy if that thread was like a month or two ago


 No.2304906

>>2303778

<radical leftism is futile


 No.2304907

>>2303900

nah, its better to fuck israel, saudis and america in the ass while doing it


 No.2306074


 No.2306434

new southfront

https://youtu.be/LQ_xZu2FJTE

>russia declares withdrawal of major forces from syria after their mission to combat IS was deemed completed

>US sais they will not remove forces from syria

>russia eliminated over 30000 terrorists, 400 armored vehicles, and 13000 other eqipment

>US bombed syrian forces a few times to allow an IS advance

>IBN4 RUSSIA AND US IMPERIALISM IS THE SAME WHY SUPPORT ASSAD?!?!?


 No.2306441

File: ae51cfa324b80cf⋯.png (1.31 MB, 994x1082, 497:541, iraq2elecronicboogaloo.png)

File: d6fbc1b2f13ee89⋯.webm (1.54 MB, 480x480, 1:1, DO_IT.webm)




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