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 No.2265496

Thread for discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions and the status and health of its socialist tradition.

Archive of first ~500 posts:

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 No.2725528

File: 9fb4a2c3b6fa92f⋯.gif (1.3 MB, 255x170, 3:2, Stalin-Clap.gif)

>>2717791

Mad lad


 No.2725570

>>2538124

Arduous march is finally over and the Best Korea is called Best Korea for a reason.


 No.2725575

I'm kinda worried about Kim's wife being shoehorned everywhere and more worrying is the fact they shove her in western clothes. Not a good sign.


 No.2725596

>>2725521

it was a counterattack so yes


 No.2725597

>>2538124

secretly implementing cybercommunism


 No.2725602

>>2725528

My professor is one of those "The Soviet Union/East Germany/East Bloc/etc was totalitarian", so I'm pretty curious to see what they'll think of it. Will update when I find out.


 No.2725651

File: 12904d584cbd397⋯.png (191.9 KB, 1187x863, 1187:863, Peoples_Republic_of_Korea(….png)

File: eeea2689d900699⋯.png (168.71 KB, 645x541, 645:541, survey korea 1946.png)

File: 980ce43a6c70b79⋯.pdf (419.26 KB, Korean War - An Unanswered….pdf)

File: 6c0ebf526a6fea9⋯.webm (1.84 MB, 480x360, 4:3, How the Korean War starte….webm)

File: 6cbf74b2acb19b3⋯.jpg (82.73 KB, 738x525, 246:175, seoul citizens welcoming k….jpg)

>>2725521

The counterattack was justified.

Even if it wasn't a counterattack, the destruction of the Syngman Rhee clique and the liberation of the South would still have been justified.

>>2725575

Meanwhile Kim Jong Un wears a Mao suit all the time.


 No.2725672

>>2725488

It's easy to find organizations in friendly contacts with the WPK, a ML party or a Korean friendship organization. If you contact them, they might fast-forward something to the WPK.

This month. in two days actually, is the IMCWP in Athens where the WPK participates, together with CPs from pretty much every country that hasn't outright banned communism.


 No.2725731

>>2725651

>counterattack

Total dumbfuck (in regards to the Korean war) here.

What actually happened? What attack was the DPRK responding to?


 No.2725749

>>2725731

>What actually happened?

the buildup to the war took a long time with South Korean elements raiding across the border multiple times justifying it as stopping banditry or suppressing pro-socialist guerilla movements


 No.2726885

File: 4210462d7b7aa4e⋯.jpg (98.51 KB, 1066x600, 533:300, rungrado_may_day_stadium26.jpg)

Today I found out North Korea has the largest stadium in the world. Pyongyang olympics when?


 No.2729683

So I've been hearing that NK has "slave labour" by sending workers to other countries, for about $10k US/year, who put their earnings in Russian and Chinese banks, where it's withdrawn as cash and physically moved to DPRK. Any debunking of this, anything they're purposefully leaving out? I honestly don't know much about the DPRK, but I for sure know that capitalist media loves to portray it as a nation run by lunatics. I just saw this on CBC I'm a Canada fag


 No.2729684


 No.2729717

>>2729683

>>2729684

It’s possible, but I don’t see how this wouldn’t effectively just be a massive tax rate. After all, the workers need to live in China, Russia, wherever while working. Some amount of their wages would have to go to buying food, clothes, lodging. Whatever is required to live. The rest go back to the state. But considering that to be the case, that is kind of how foreign labor functions for North Korea in general, I think. People go work in China on visas who are not prisoners, and they send money back. Some amount of it is taxed away, the rest is used for living expenses. Compulsory prison labor is legal here, so I don’t feel like it is the worst thing they do. The real problem there is that people can be sent to jail for political bullshit, not that they are forced to work. That isn’t specific to Korea.


 No.2729720

>>2513727

This seems completely absurd. The point of bourgeois nation-states is the protection of private property. I don't see how both "systems" could actually exist within one state without de facto still being two completely independent countries.


 No.2729732

Can someone tl;dr me on why the DPRK is so much more closed towards foreigners than Cuba? For example why can't foreigners even travel autonomously? Regardless whether the notion of the DPRK being a dictatorial police state is true or not, this policy does nothing but enforce that notion.


 No.2729758

>>2729732

I think it is transparently as it appears, they are afraid foreigners will spread dissent among the population, they’re afraid of espionage and they’re afraid that what is happening in the interior will be presented as foreign propaganda. Th DPRK is still not a nice place, but I think the goal of demystifying it is making clear that it is neither run by crazy people, nor are the people inside totally brainwashed ants, nor is the country itself some kind of incomprehensible hellscape. People live their lives in North Korea like people do anywhere else, in conditions just as hard, although different, as may be found in a garbage slum in India, or an undeveloped African city with sewage running in the streets, slavery and state or criminal violence. We make North Korea into a cartoon to fantasize about all of our worst nightmares and feel secure in our righteousness and correct way of life. The media sells this image not necessarily to be complicit in top down fleeing policy goals, but because this is an organic product of the media. They sell narratives that are succinct and understandable to the public, somewhat informative when that is the guiding brand principle of the outlet, but also evocative of pathos in order to grip consumers.


 No.2729761

>>2729758

Top down foreign policy goals* if that wasn’t clear


 No.2729763

>>2729732

I think partially this is due to Cuba being an island, which lets them passively enforce travel restrictions. DPRK has to be more active in enforcing travel restrictions.


 No.2729771

>>2729758

Good post although it's unrelated to my question


 No.2729773

How do you deal with the extreme frustration of discovering the truth about North Korea? Defending Cuba or the USSR is a titanic task as people are unironically indoctrinated to believe the most retarded lies, but North Korea is 100% a no-go even among socialists.

People don't know the truth about the korean war, about defectors, about fabricated anti-DPRK propaganda, about the south korean dictatorship, about the higher GDP per capita up to the 70s and higher lifespan up to the late 80s, about the US-enabled starvation in the 90s etc. etc.

In the end, the whole western world is brainwashed on North Korea, not the other way around.


 No.2729774

>>2729732

In order for the DPRK to continue its quasi-socialist economy, it has to have elements of a police state. If they "opened up" then Western-sponsored protests and its resulting overthrow of the government are guaranteed, and the DPRK will be integrated into the ROK much like GDR was integrated into BRD, and the Kim family will be exiled to Russia, China or Cuba.


 No.2729809

>>2729773

>How do you deal with the extreme frustration of discovering the truth about

>People don't know the truth about […]

Based on the kind of language you're using, I can assume that you have a personal attachment to believing it really matters what the masses think. This is a common trait of utopian socialists and idealists. A scientific socialist who follows a materialist philosophy is more likely to accept that the masses are cogs in a wheel, and that people who are "too far gone" should be viewed only as a potential obstacle (or tool of chaos) to the political aim of establishing socialism. So no, I don't have any frustration because I couldn't care less what a marijuana-smoking cheeseburger-eating MSNBC/FOX-watching anti-intellectual first-worlder in imperialist country X thinks about quasi-socialist nuclear-armed country Y.


 No.2730076

>>2729809

I was a marijuana-smoking cheeseburger-eating MSNBC/FOX-watching anti-intellectual first-worlder in imperialist country X before I became a socialist though, changing people's minds into seeing that socialism is the way and the people defending capitalism are spreading lies about socialist states is rather important I think.

tbf I don't live in an imperialist country but it's still a bourgeois state.

and there's literally nothing wrong with marihuana.


 No.2730099

>>2729773

If they believe the stuff like everybody getting Kim's haircut or that Kim had his uncle ripped apart by rabid dogs as he watched, or that everybody eats grass, it is hopeless to change their minds in one conversation. You might as well try to make a baptist an atheist. Only months - maybe years - of being exposed to more balanced information can make an individual like that change his or her mind.

If they are somewhat curious about it, like, still thinking they are a horrible country but inform themselves with more neutral sources, you might convince them to change their mind a little bit. To give a concrete example, DemSoc01 was anti-DPRK until people sent him materials about it and then he admitted that he changed his mind. Granted, he was already a socialist and is generally a person with integrity, but it is possible. However, whenever you try to talk about socialism to people, try to avoid the DPRK as a talking point unless it is specifically brought up. You are so much better off defending East Germany or Cuba.

Anyway, Unruhe made this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXwSZCxFdgA

I think he is kinda wrong there in his conclusion. He underestimates the consciousness of the North Korean people. If you see their faces during the K-Pop perfomance, it is highly unlikely that they would succumb to South Korean consumerism without at least a big societal divide and potential unrest.


 No.2730198

>>2730099

One thing that Jason says there about B.R. Myers is absolutely right – that while Myers is anti-DPRK his analysis is smarter than pretty much any other English language commentator out there.

>>2729773

>How do you deal with the extreme frustration of discovering the truth about North Korea?

I haven't really talked about the DPRK with many people, but I take a kind of benign Anthony Bourdain-style attitude about the place. If I have to press further I'll say "well look, we're under the impression that North Koreans are still living in a famine, but that was 24 years ago. It'd be like believing that New Orleans is still flooded because of Hurricane Katrina. To be sure it's a closed society, but it's gradually opening up, in a different way than China to be sure, but things have changed a lot there."

A lot of people get their ideas about North Korea from watching films of the place during the worst years in the 1990s. A lot of their impressions are also colored by sensationalist tabloid media that often just outright makes stuff up out of whole cloth.

I don't even talk about the political system because, to be honest, I don't know what to think of it either. The personality "cult" is definitely bizarre and alien to me, although from my limited understanding, North Koreans have a very different way of looking at it – not even seeing Kim Il-sung and his progeny as "leaders" so to speak

>>2729809

Good post.


 No.2731162

French alphabet soup arrests KFA member:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/french-senate-official-arrested-for-north-korea-spying-sources-10972084

"Sensible intel", yeah I don't buy it.


 No.2731191

>>2731178

>That big-ass German documentary where they tour North Korea is also good

With the German-Korean woman who speaks the language? Fun when they showed this on German state TV (SWR) they were cutting out some positive things, it's 20min shorter in German.


 No.2731205

>>2731197

I think it's okay to cut things when they are too long, but they made a specific choice in their selections, like a scene where the manager of the water park is in his control room with modern computers and stuff, they also cut out the perspective of an old lady and her view on the Korean War.

Of course, pointing out that German public TV is nothing but state media will get you downvoted into oblivion on r/de. Honestly I am surprised at this point that they even made a balanced documentary. Really got to respect that Korean girl who made this and didn't give a shit about preconceived opinions.


 No.2732194

>>2730198

> although from my limited understanding, North Koreans have a very different way of looking at it – not even seeing Kim Il-sung and his progeny as "leaders" so to speak

It seems a little bit like a constitutional monarchy to me. The leader position is passed down through the kims practically hereditarily, but that position is just symbolic, their actual political power just comes from whatever their other political position is. Which is usually a very high one, but not supreme dictator. They're simultaneously a figurehead/mouthpiece, and a powerful politician in an entirely separate capacity not subject to dynastic descent and not far far above the rest of the government.

Thats the impression I got, anyways.


 No.2732276

>>2732194

I would argue that the "monarchich" aspect of their system is more akin to what the Roman adoptive emperors did (98 to 180 A.C.), like choosing and grooming a successor that is necessarily bound by blood. From what I can see, there is no guarantee that the next "leader" is going to be a son or whatever. I think with Kim Jong Il, who opposed succession (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12304763) it was a bit of a coincidence - he was already holding important offices under Kim Il Sung and was his right hand in most matters. And then Kim Jong Il just went with it when he ordered Kim Jong Un to come back home. But it's entirely possible that the next leader is going to be someone else and receives the same sort of adoration as one of the Kims.

The North Koreans certainly don't view it as a monarchy.


 No.2732277

>>2732276

that isn't necessarily bound by blood*


 No.2732480

>watching a video of some vlogger in Pyongyang

>it shows clean streets, markets with stocked shelves, kids laughing and playing, etc.

>the guy admits he's surprised by all this.

>scroll to the comments and it's the usual cancer. "lmao you know your tour was staged don't you?"

It's all so tiresome


 No.2732481

>>2732480

To be fair something I’d really like to see is how things are outside Pyongyang. It’s not uncommon in many countries for the countryside to be much poorer than the capital.


 No.2732499

>>2732481

From what you can gleam, typical third world stuff. No running (warm) water, frequent power outages, run down roads and buildings… not quite Africa tier but definitely poor parts of asia tier. Which, I mean, it is.


 No.2732504

>>2732481

there's this chinese guy who has this "dprk360" project, has a bunch of those videos where you can look around with your mouse

of the countryside there's just pictures though

looks just as clean

very rural, not comparable to Pyongyang but not bad at all either

i've seen way worse villages in eastern europe

pretty much >>2732499


 No.2732507

>>2732480

the worst is when they say "BRO THAT SHIT WAS SO SCARY YOUR ROOM WAS TOTALLY BUGGED!!!11"

no matter what evidence you give these people, they won't change their beliefs. anti-communists really are NPCs.


 No.2733593

Did anybody ever post that Laibach Sound of Music video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oD0W6SSBUA


 No.2733754

Could we send a letter asking the DPRK to support one big US military base in Syria like the communist governments did with revolutionary Catalonia?

(The DPRK supports the Syrian government dumbass)

 No.2733758


 No.2736760

File: eff8e79a0a8e244⋯.jpg (14.5 KB, 300x300, 1:1, kim-il-sung-9364759-1-402.jpg)

Many left liberals and "moderate" leftists (socdems, demsocs, etc.) make it a principle to oppose dictatorships and authoritarianism no matter if it's left or right wing. When they look at the DPRK, they don't see a poor socialist nation that's been targeted by imperialism (and taken measures to defend itself against it). They see the leader worship, the military parades, the censorship, etc. and conclude that it's an authoritarian state under the control of a privileged dictator which should be opposed (and possibly overthrown). They don't really care that it's socialist or provides healthcare and education to it's citizens or whatever. What arguments would you use to convince such a person that North Korea should be supported (besides debunking obvious lies such as everyone being forced to have the same haircut and similar propaganda)? Please no engels_authoritarianism.jpg or some argument that boils down to "dude authoritarianism is a spook lmao".

I think about this quite a lot myself. The cult of personality, the leader worship, hereditary leadership, and the inadequate democracy (yes it's probably impossible to know exactly to what degree the democratic institutions in the DPRK are legit but it's at least safe to say that their politics are fairly monolithic and opposition to KJU himself is unthinkable) are things that would absolutely disgust me if it was a right wing government. Yet I support the DPRK as it is a socialist state that built itself up after it was destroyed in the Korean war and has managed to provide a fairly good living standard to it's citizens considering the circumstances.


 No.2736818

File: 4d4b2376dd8ed10⋯.jpg (195.91 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, DtQIRACUwAILkkE.jpg)

File: 314cb06a2ede09d⋯.jpg (202.5 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, DtQIRAEV4AAlKJ5.jpg)

Two new high rise buildings in Pyongyang


 No.2736826

>>2736760

Because they see socialism as an ad-hoc ideal utopia emerging independently from it's material conditions out of which it emerges. This is what utopian socialism is, and what the opposite of scientific socialism is. Sure you can criticize aspects of the DPRK, but to completely discard as a genuine attempt of socialism is just idealism.

Their ideology falls apart if you ask them why never in the history of humanity has such an ideal emerged. They will answer "because ☭TANKIE☭s murdered them", which of course, gets them laughed out of the room.


 No.2737542

File: 2f80bca09ce81b6⋯.jpg (113.35 KB, 1080x568, 135:71, kim jong un internet ideol….jpg)

>>2699535


 No.2737558

File: 13e6158f845635a⋯.png (603.69 KB, 1024x676, 256:169, solidarity_with_comrades__….png)

>>2732276

It's really no worse than Raúl becoming the leader after Fidel, or Bashar becoming the leader after Hafez.


 No.2737601

>>2737558

It's bad and a sign of nepotism in those cases as well.


 No.2737829

>>2736818

What does it look like inside?


 No.2737943

>>2737558

Tbh it wasn’t good when they did it either.


 No.2738539

>>2737829

I don't know. Stop with the flat earth tier bullshit about North Koreans building empty buildings and employing 1000 actors when a single tourist is arround.


 No.2743722

File: 6a62f8daa3cd836⋯.jpg (12.68 KB, 780x520, 3:2, yq-skbirthrate-07122018_2x….jpg)

Subsidies for the rich: South Korea seeks to raise falling birth rate

South Korea issued a raft of measures on Friday (Dec 7) to try to reverse one of the world's lowest birth rates, offering potential parents increased benefits as it faces a looming population decline.

The country's fertility rate - the number of children a woman is expected to have in her lifetime - fell to 0.95 in the third quarter, the first time it has dropped below 1 and far short of the 2.1 needed to maintain stability.

There are multiple causes, including the expense of child-rearing, long working hours, limited daycare, and career setbacks for working mothers, who bear a double burden of carrying weight of household chores.

The government has spent a whopping 136 trillion won (S$166 billion) since 2005 to try to boost the birth rate, without success.

In its latest attempt to reverse the decline, Seoul said on Friday it would expand child subsidies - of up to 300,000 won a month - to the richest 10 per cent of families, who are currently excluded.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/subsidies-for-the-rich-south-korea-seeks-to-raise-falling-birthrate


 No.2746001

https://tv.nknews.org/tvhls/stream.m3u8

the way the presenters talk is insufferable

It really does feel like just a bunch of propaganda crap.

I'd rather do shit like dance too if this was on TV, which I guess is ultimately a good thing.

If you can seperate the scenes out from the saccharine music and the rosy light they try to get and the swelling intonation, there are a lot of examples of it being a relatively normal place though. Lots of mundane shit. I think the last thing was showing how some pretty stone panels and polished blocks were made from quarry to showroom.

Not that state TV would convince anyone who thinks they build entire fake cities and shit, but its just interesting in an anthropological way to me I suppose.


 No.2746013

>>2738539

The whole country is paid actors. Kim Jong Un is Danny Devito in yellowface and a wig. The military is just the extras from Rambo First Blood: Part Two.

The country itself outside of the capital is a mix of CGI and model railway buildings. When you look across the ROK-DPRK border at a building several miles away it's actually just a small model a meter in front of you.


 No.2746090

>>2738539

Produce pictures of the interior of new buildings. Until you do that you can call me Satan and it still won't prove you right and me wrong.

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 No.2748338

File: c7d451793365fc8⋯.jpg (115.24 KB, 980x551, 980:551, 5c0eaf65dda4c854378b45f2.jpg)

The US Treasury has imposed new sanctions on three top North Korean officials, including a close aide to North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.

Choe Ryong Hae, the Director of the Workers' Party of Korea, Jong Kyong Thaek, the North Korean Minister of State Security and Pak Kwang Ho, the director of the Propaganda and Agitation Department for the Worker's Party have all been added to the sanctions list.

Imposing the new sanctions, the US said they would “serve as a reminder” of North Korea’s “brutal treatment” of US citizen Otto Warmbier who was detained in the country in 2016 for attempting to steal a propaganda poster and was later allegedly tortured, dying shortly after he was returned to the US.

The Treasury department said the new sanctions were imposed on individuals “who direct departments that perpetrate the regime’s brutal state-sponsored censorship activities, human rights violations and abuses, and other abuses.”

At the G20 summit in Argentina in November, US President Donald Trump reportedly said that if North Korea fully denuclearizes, he would "make what Chairman Kim wants come true,” but decided in conjunction with South Korea President Moon Jae-in that existing sanctions against North Korea will remain in place until that happens.

https://www.rt.com/news/446103-us-sanctions-north-korea/


 No.2748402

>>2746090

There are pictures from the interior. But when I show them to you you will say that this is just one apartment and not representative, and that the people are actors, or some other shit.


 No.2748738

>>2746090

>North Koreans are so poor they eat grass

>North Koreans are so rich they build empty high rises just to own the western libs epic style via the Great Pyongyang Building Ruse

fucking moron


 No.2748740

>>2748738

They are all model railway buildings. Stupid shills like yourself never attempt to lean forward a few foot and pick them up because you are completely brainwashed.


 No.2749119

File: 399d27dd9b8093a⋯.jpg (1.42 MB, 1280x1780, 64:89, parenti on anti-communist ….jpg)

>>2748738

It never ends


 No.2749617

>>2748338

How do targeted sanctions work? Are these even real? Isn't everything in North Korea sanctioned by the US?

Also, why is Kim always surrounded by military dudes taking notes? What the fuck is he saying?


 No.2750779

File: 1f20a05b9b7afe7⋯.jpg (428.5 KB, 766x1024, 383:512, corn 17.jpg)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/30/south-korea-to-investigate-north-korean-womens-defection

first time I see bourgeois media acknowleding that SK kidnaps north koreans


 No.2753502

2 questions.

1) Why did they remove portraits of Marx and Lenin from the main square in Pyongyang?

2) Why does Kim Jong-Un own a yacht?


 No.2753515

>>2753502

1)Marx and Lenin were revisionists.

2)Because why not?


 No.2753562

>>2753515

I don't know if you're joking or not.


 No.2753564


 No.2753565

File: 1ce39f392725980⋯.jpg (66.4 KB, 690x360, 23:12, kim-jong-un-yacht-revealed….jpg)


 No.2753586

File: d85f1e3a7f3b170⋯.png (51.25 KB, 324x681, 108:227, 1971 jvp.png)

File: 10555117c490f60⋯.jpg (20.58 KB, 289x343, 289:343, Rohana_Wijeweera_(1943-198….jpg)


 No.2753588

>>2753586

>Soviet Union and China supporting Ceylon

what? i thought Wijeweera was aligned with China? why would they oppose the insurrection?


 No.2753631

>>2753565

This picture is going to get ignored. Just like the Ryugyong hotel.


 No.2753646

>>2753631

>There are boats in North Korea. OMG ☭TANKIE☭s BTFOd!!1!


 No.2753652

>>2753565

Wasn’t this known? Kim Il Sung had a yacht that he passed to Kim Jong Il as well.


 No.2753681

>>2753565

>there are boats in the dprk

pack it you godless gommies, america won


 No.2753705

File: c4a20af52b53a92⋯.jpg (75.09 KB, 250x270, 25:27, pho_general_15.jpg)

>>2753646

>>2753681

There were boats in Yugoslavia as well.

Titoists btfo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeb_%28yacht%29


 No.2753758

>>2753705

>comparing DPRK and Yugoslavia

OK, now I'm laffin. If you think Kim Jong-Un is like Tito, who fought and bled against the fascists, who organised the Partisans and the Yugoslavian anti-fascist council, who ensured that universities, schools, hospitals, get built. Tito, who was a leader on the world stage, led the Non-Aligned Movement.

Kim Jong-Un is just a rich, fat kid, who got educated in Switzerland and then inherited a country from his dad after assassinating his brother and uncle.

But yeah, let's pretend Un and Broz are exactly the same.

Also, Tito's yacht was built in Yugoslavia, Kim used State money to buy a foreign-made yacht.

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 No.2753766

Thanks for this thread bros


 No.2753984

>>2753758

>education is bad

>kim jong-un didn't kill fascists with his own hands so he's bad

epic post my liberal friend


 No.2753988

File: 9eff1cc6df0f693⋯.jpg (57.51 KB, 750x858, 125:143, LOL.jpg)

File: a783d1b2dc670ca⋯.png (691.85 KB, 1080x1859, 1080:1859, envy of the developing wor….png)

File: a901cc710ce7f04⋯.jpg (179.29 KB, 900x578, 450:289, multi_photo_2017-04-20_dn2….jpg)

File: 68e84a757126dbc⋯.jpg (104.79 KB, 1000x496, 125:62, sc07.jpg)

File: fc387f789cee607⋯.png (168.26 KB, 1080x320, 27:8, kim jong un 7th congress.png)

>>2753758

The Jang Song Thaek faction and Kim Yong Nam supported capitalist restoration and paid the price for it.

>ensured that universities, schools, hospitals, get built

<implying that doesn't happen in DPRK


 No.2754019

>>2753988

>tfw you will never be a North Korean schoolgirl

Why even live?


 No.2754028

>>2753502

Why not? Whether he owns a yacht or jot is irrepevant to whether the DPRK is Socialist.


 No.2754793

>>2754019

Tankie twitter in a nutshell


 No.2754836

File: 7f7918c78741ee7⋯.png (587.13 KB, 772x832, 193:208, 1af2ed2e85a4652bc61040f209….png)

The UK got a new ambassador to the DPRK.


 No.2756049

>>2753988

That "WHO document" is fake. It reads as if it were written by a high school ☭TANKIE☭.

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 No.2756051

>>2753984

>education is good

>I think it's good DPRK blocks outside influence

Which is it?


 No.2756055

>>2756051

Not mutually exclusive, fuck off retard.


 No.2756057

File: 650f3dd00700c4c⋯.jpg (17.31 KB, 260x273, 20:21, 1542337203044.jpg)


 No.2756158


 No.2756369

File: 0be32234949272a⋯.jpg (138.64 KB, 821x1024, 821:1024, 821px-Margaret_Chan_-_Worl….jpg)

>>2756049

>>2756057

Pic related: high school ☭TANKIE☭.


 No.2756371

>>2753758

omegalul, based post. fuck the mods


 No.2756376

a lot of the MSM's criticisms of the DPRK are wholly retarded but these incel ☭TANKIE☭s who obsess over romanticism hurt their own cause.


 No.2756386

File: e9d99eeaa1af903⋯.jpg (55.52 KB, 916x872, 229:218, tomoko_kuroki_by_sjao_datb….jpg)

>>2756376

>a lot

all of it

>of the MSM's criticisms

>criticism

yeah, no.

>of the DPRK are wholly retarded

>but

ah, the relativizing of the bootlicker

"but!!!"

>these incel ☭TANKIE☭s

ah, here comes a great argument and not just some bitter fag without argument trying to vent with some ad hominem poorly covering it up

>who obsess over romanticism

yes, that's what the thread is totally about

"obsessive romanticism"

totally not hurting your liberal feelings by taking your retarded hot takes apart and forcing you to be confronted with you being a useless shittalking little libshit fag

>hurt their own cause.

them delivering arguments that drive you fags into posts like yours are totally hurting themself

you on the other hand just did yourself a huge favor, i suppose?


 No.2756397

File: 70c9bffd72f84e6⋯.png (612.62 KB, 800x1099, 800:1099, purged.png)

File: bfe1f3927cd5e5d⋯.png (930.85 KB, 1720x895, 344:179, 25 december 1995 respectin….png)

>>2756371

<purging traitors to the revolution is a bad thing

>based post


 No.2757713

>inb4 I’m permanently banned

This is a serious question to all of those who would like to answer; what are your thoughts on the North Korean defectors and are there any known instances not censored instances of South Korean defectors?


 No.2757842

>>2757713

Disregard the last part of my question, I just researched it a bit.

From the Wikipedia article on South Korean defectors:

>The propaganda value of defectors has been recognized even right after the Division of Korea in 1945. Defectors were used as tools to prove the superiority of the political system of the country of destination.

Sounds familiar…


 No.2758035

File: 0a0d0a7148e222c⋯.png (19.41 KB, 470x269, 470:269, 4c72d9e96597d5465cba44e28a….png)

>>2756386

you ought to be killed for saying such things. an endearing, futile attempt at acting confident all while utilizing an intellectual ocean of blissful ignorance. explain to me how your whore of a mother wasn't repulsed enough to choke you in the motherfucking crib. It is now clear to me why a species as handicapped and infertile as you can so repetitively struggle to view anything outside of arbitrary dichotomies.


 No.2758140

>>2753586

Why are China and the USSR on the same side as each other and the United Sates? Also, why are they both opposed to a communist insurrection and why is North Korea supporting it? Can someone give me a quick rundown?


 No.2758194


 No.2758208

>>2757713

see >>2684982


 No.2758209

>>2758140

There's some Cold War conflicts which are really weird. I think there was this conflict in Africa with the USSR and DDR on opposing sides.


 No.2758245

File: e9cda985ac25f03⋯.jpeg (150.91 KB, 1200x628, 300:157, Dus3LaaXcAEx4r0.jpeg)

Man I love the DPRK as much as the next guy but this kind of stuff they write can get weird sometimes


 No.2758266

>>2758245

>Implying there's a single lie


 No.2758273

>>2725526

rofl, I love it.

north koreans are fucking based


 No.2758282

File: 8982e1d29bf39df⋯.pdf (105 KB, ABUSES OF SOCIALISM ARE IN….pdf)

File: 74628ed6d157df7⋯.pdf (177.43 KB, SOCIALISM IS A SCIENCE.pdf)

File: 3560be50ea6d43e⋯.png (267.57 KB, 1200x269, 1200:269, marx engels lenin stalin k….png)

File: bc8f55013bef1e2⋯.webm (13.4 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Song of General Kim Jong ….webm)

>>2758245

pdfs of the immortal classical works


 No.2758318


 No.2758336

>>2758245

That's just how Asian languages are structured. Japanese also sounds bizarre translated.


 No.2759139

File: 6a9cc7996ad126f⋯.jpg (341.94 KB, 980x551, 980:551, 221b9ef2-028f-11e9-b0d2-cf….jpg)

Can Kim Jong-un become North Korea’s Deng Xiaoping? Only if Donald Trump doesn’t get in the way

Yoon Young-kwan says the North Korean leader has shown reformist instincts, much like a certain Chinese leader from the late 1970s, but he needs security before he can move forward

Kim has already allowed Moon to address 150,000 North Koreans, decided on an unprecedented visit to Seoul, and invited Pope Francis to Pyongyang. These gestures suggest that he may want to become North Korea’s Deng Xiaoping.

Deng was able to concentrate on economic development only after diplomacy with the US had created a more favourable external environment for China. If there is even the slightest chance that Kim is serious about moving towards a normal state and a 21st-century economy, the international community must not stand in his way.

https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/asia/article/2178504/can-kim-jong-un-become-north-koreas-deng-xiaoping-only

If Trump truly intends to achieve the complete, verifiable, and irreversible denuclearisation of North Korea, he needs to offer Kim a comprehensive package deal that he cannot refuse.

Such an offer, however, must ensure a “brighter future” for all of the stakeholders and their respective security interests — denuclearisation accompanied by rapid economic modernisation and market-oriented reform, which together would ensure permanent peace, stability and lasting prosperity on the Korean peninsula.

Together, in the face of debilitating economic sanctions and pressure enforced by China and Russia, nuclear deterrence and diplomatic isolation, the prospect of receiving an economic development fund from the collective stakeholder nations, infrastructural support from South Korea to transition to a market-oriented economy, the normalisation of diplomatic relations with the US and Japan, and firm security guarantees and reassurances of alliances would become evermore appealing to a country that prioritises survival above all else.

https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/united-states/article/2172033/trump-can-make-deal-century-kim-if-he-offers


 No.2759170

File: cccca422c887e2e⋯.jpg (99.08 KB, 1024x683, 1024:683, 19nkorea-jumbo.jpg)

North Korea, Fearing K-Pop and Porn, Warns Against Smartphones’ Influence

K-pop. Cheating on exams. Even pornography.

North Korea on Tuesday warned against the disruptive influence it said smartphones could have on its isolated population, as the devices have begun to expose young people in particular to information and trends from the outside world.

In the hermetically sealed North, South Korean officials estimate that the number of mobile phones has risen to six million since 2008, when cellular phone service began as a joint venture between the Egyptian telecommunications firm Orascom and the North’s communication ministry. The country has a population of 25 million.

On Tuesday, the North’s main state-run newspaper, Rodong Sinmun, published an article listing what it called “negative repercussions” from the introduction of smartphones in schools around the world, including the use of phones during classes, cheating during exams and the circulation of pornographic material.

“This proves that mobile phones have become an avenue to instill students with unhealthy ideology,” it said. “Most educators and parents around the world believe that various corrupt and reactionary cultures spreading through mobile phones are confusing students as they shape their lives’ values.”

“More serious is the fact that erotic messages, novels and video files, as well as electronic games with violent content, are spreading unlimited through mobile phones,” the article said.

The article did not say what actions, if any, North Korea planned to take.

With smartphones proliferating, the North Korean authorities have struggled to maintain their tight control over what information the population receives, even as the country’s leader, Kim Jong-un, has helped to encourage the use of the devices, according to North Korean defectors and South Korean officials.

But Mr. Kim’s government has also recently begun blocking North Korean smartphones’ Bluetooth capabilities to prevent file sharing. It is also installing software in smartphones that makes it difficult to open outside files and enables the authorities to track what users have been watching, according to defectors and South Korean officials.

North Korea is also cracking down on the use of cellphones smuggled from China to gain access to the internet and global telephone networks.

When used near the Chinese border, such phones can connect to Chinese mobile networks. North Koreans use them to coordinate smuggling operations across the border and exchange text messages and even video files, as well as voice calls, with relatives who have fled to South Korea.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/world/asia/north-korea-smartphones.html


 No.2759176

>>2759170

>educators and parents around the world believe that various corrupt and reactionary cultures spreading through mobile phones are confusing students as they shape their lives’ values

muh tradition!


 No.2759202

>>2725526

Magnificent. Each and every member of that audience is fully equipped. They can all deconstruct what they see, they are aware of its hollow nature, they are aware of the political significance of everything occurring. They can not be swayed.


 No.2759211

File: 62ea037c6153494⋯.png (55.99 KB, 491x585, 491:585, computer.png)

>>2759139

>Kim has already allowed Moon to address 150,000 North Koreans, decided on an unprecedented visit to Seoul, and invited Pope Francis to Pyongyang.

>These gestures suggest that he may want to become North Korea’s Deng Xiaoping.


 No.2759229

>>2759170

phoneposters btfo

smartphones are cancer


 No.2759231

>>2759139

Fuck.

Ah well.


 No.2759233

>>2725526

>>2569250

why can't my country be like this


 No.2759256

>>2759233

Hypothetically speaking, how hard is it to move to North Korea (language barrier aside)?


 No.2759520

File: a5fdaa167a0a54d⋯.jpeg (78.33 KB, 1200x630, 40:21, jang song thaek removed.jpeg)

>>2759139

>byungjin is literally dengism :DD

Then I guess even Kim Il Sung was a Dengist.

Kim Jong Un already eliminated the Korean Deng in 2013.

>>2759211

At least it's not as retarded as the McDonald's meme.


 No.2759603

>>2759170

>according to North Korean defectors and South Korean officials

yawn


 No.2759633

>>2759170

>On Tuesday, the North’s main state-run newspaper, Rodong Sinmun, published an article listing what it called “negative repercussions” from the introduction of smartphones in schools around the world, including the use of phones during classes, cheating during exams and the circulation of pornographic material.

>“This proves that mobile phones have become an avenue to instill students with unhealthy ideology,” it said. “Most educators and parents around the world believe that various corrupt and reactionary cultures spreading through mobile phones are confusing students as they shape their lives’ values.”

North Korea: *be sane*

Rest of the World: "REEEEEEEEEEEE"


 No.2762625

File: 725f336dbfcdd32⋯.webm (8.59 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Worker Deputy.webm)


 No.2762628

>>2762625

this is the most wholesome thing i've seen all week.


 No.2762635

>>2759170

>On Tuesday, the North’s main state-run newspaper, Rodong Sinmun, published an article listing what it called “negative repercussions” from the introduction of smartphones in schools around the world, including the use of phones during classes, cheating during exams and the circulation of pornographic material.

Totally correct by the way. Children and uneducated people should not be allowed near smartphones


 No.2763642

>>2762635

I also agree, pornography addiction often begins at a young age.


 No.2763663

>>2725526

This reminds me of the 90's in Hungary: the majority of the population were totally unprepared for the cultural shock that was coming due to the regime change. When families sat down to watch TV they actively argued with the fucking TV and one by one denounced the idiocy of the programme. As time went by, however, the culture industry has won.

>>2759202

>Each and every member of that audience is fully equipped.

Let us not be naive, all right? I lived through this as a kid, and now as a Marxist I can reflect on it: the very problem was that people's reaction was ultimately moral in nature and not theoretical/critical. They reacted to the shock instinctively. Nobody went beyond calling it "degeneracy" (which it was and is to this day) because the communist regime -- for very good reasons of their own -- didn't gave them the critical tools to be able to dissect them.


 No.2763719

File: 10b30ecd387dfd6⋯.jpg (148.43 KB, 1024x674, 512:337, the absolute state of amer….jpg)

>>2759170

>according to defectors


 No.2765928

Any good korean war docos?


 No.2765940


 No.2765941

Just a question, why do they kill people who try to leave the country? It doesn't do very well for their image. Same with the whole Berlin wall thing


 No.2765948

>>2765941

>why do they shoot people who try to run across a military ceasefire line

The ROK does the same thing.

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/09/17/2013091700718.html


 No.2765951

>>2765948

Still, they actively disallow people crossing the border to the north as well.


 No.2765962

What was that doco where that dude talked to north koreans trapped in the south?


 No.2765981

>>2765941

They don't.


 No.2765993

File: dedf0592f145bc2⋯.webm (2.51 MB, 480x360, 4:3, DPR Koreans teach Finns T….webm)

>>2765962

Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktE_3PrJZO0

See:

>>2709198

>>2709194

>>2709196

>>2684751

for .webms from that documentary

>>2765941

They are allowed to visit other countries as long as they do it legally. There are plenty of DPRK citizens visiting China for various reasons.

Kim Ryon Hui was tricked into going to the ROK while she visited China.


 No.2765994

>>2759520

The killing of fellow members of the Socialist Party for Arguing for different paths towards socialism being taken goes against Socialist-Democracy and Democratic Centralism


 No.2766155

>>2765994

It doesn't when the party member tries to create his own faction and plots a coup to overthrow the government.


 No.2767546

File: ce7918196a6349b⋯.webm (4.69 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Jingle Balls - Pochonbo.webm)


 No.2767759

>>2765994

>The killing of fellow members of the Socialist Party for Arguing for different paths towards socialism

Mate, even the Wikipedia article (though this is buried and easily missed) states that there was more than just arguing:

>According to the New York Times, the final straw came from a dispute over control of North Korea's west coast fisheries. These had been partly taken from the military by Kim Jong-un in 2011, but later this decision was reversed and the fisheries were ordered returned to the military. Forces loyal to Jang defied the transfer, leading to a confrontation in late 2013, in which several North Korean soldiers loyal to Kim Jong-un were killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_Song_Thaek

Doing stuff like that carries the death penalty in pretty much any country that has the death penalty, don't you think?


 No.2768065

File: 64b7bc4577f370b⋯.jpg (27.45 KB, 700x394, 350:197, 39340917_303.jpg)

What do you think happened to Otto Warmbier? He had brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation but showed no signs of torture and seemed otherwise healthy. The DPRK's claim that he had botulism was not corroborated by the American doctors but was not contradicted either. So the DPRK's story is plausible but it does seem really suspicious that a healthy young guy would turn into a vegetable while in their care.


 No.2768077

>>2768065

It's been speculated that he tried to kill himself


 No.2768079

>>2768065

imo it's most likely that his brain damage was due to a asuicide attempt

I wrote 20 page research paper on the history of Americans imprisoned in the DPRK several months ago

suicidal thoughts and suicide attempts are fairly frequent among Americans imprisoned in the DPRK, including after they return home

>inb4 ☭TANKIE☭s to show up to shill for the DPRK narrative

their official narrative regarding Warmbier was whack AF from the beginning, they are not credible on this subject


 No.2768081

>>2768077

>>2768079

Makes sense I guess. I suppose the DPRK wouldn't want to admit that because it would raise questions about why he became suicidal. Are conditions for American prisoners bad?


 No.2768091

>>2768081

from what I understand they are not tortured, but they are coerced into making campy false confessions implicating themselves in elaborate treasonous plots

the sentences of hard labor are apparently quite hard

you can buy this guy's book to read about it

https://www.amazon.com/Violence-Humanity-Aijalon-M-G-ebook/dp/B00YFOH07S


 No.2768202

>>2706617

>Attack Japan

The fuck?


 No.2768952

>>2768202

America is attacking the North? Lets get this shit going lads, pleasure women didn't exist my fucking ass. We are finally taking these otaku shitheads out while daddy isn't in the house.


 No.2769220

Sounds like the rail and road ties are going forward despite American interference


 No.2771482

File: 0cba25cdc6cc35b⋯.jpg (100.9 KB, 751x960, 751:960, 48383208_316419335637130_7….jpg)


 No.2774070

File: 8cf51cb355a2145⋯.jpg (152.26 KB, 975x600, 13:8, winter13.jpg)

File: fd013a6ec8ea506⋯.jpg (74.51 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, C40830A4-A5AD-446E-A880-68….jpg)

새해 복 많이 받으십시오!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDbiPlN2TlY

Full concert of Moranbong Band for New Year of 2013 in HD.


 No.2774292

>>2774070

The British ambassador posted a couple of pictures from the crowd on twitter too. I'm to lazy to just save them and post them here right now.


 No.2774319

File: d001b910c1dc797⋯.png (450.43 KB, 696x391, 696:391, ClipboardImage.png)

Happy New Year from Kim Jong Un

The first thirty seconds of this was kino. Kim strikes out at those who wish to divide the North and South and denounces US efforts to unilaterally impose things on the DPRK


 No.2774320


 No.2776665

File: 26c4d55cfdc804a⋯.jpg (45.21 KB, 613x451, 613:451, The comparison of the GDP ….jpg)

File: 7d69b42da14da3c⋯.jpg (207.31 KB, 1541x781, 1541:781, The historical GDP per cap….jpg)

File: 8192befc272e22d⋯.png (82.82 KB, 1165x397, 1165:397, Cuba GDP.png)

Why did North Korea's gdp stopped to grow in the 1970's? Why doesn't it grow anymore at all?


 No.2776667

>>2726885

They'd probably be a good nation to host the WC.


 No.2779421

bump


 No.2779719

Daily Juche-pill, America btfo’d as literal hell on Earth

Open Questionnaire to Human Rights Schemers Issued

>The Korea Association for Human Rights Studies on Sunday raised an open questionnaire, in which it said that this year 2018 has witnessed a great change in the world political trend and in particular, warm wind of peace swept the Korean Peninsula and the region, drawing the public attention.

>The association, on behalf of the Korean people and the conscience of mankind, made the following questions to the U.S. and its vassal forces hell-bent on turning black into white and the UN playing a role of rubber stamp for the U.S. against the international justice and impartiality:

>1. Is there any country on the earth like the DPRK where the people fully enjoy political freedom and democratic rights as masters of the society?

>2. Can you pick out any country like the DPRK that has no jobless person and vagabond?

>3. Can you imagine such social policies of the DPRK for its people as free education, free medical treatment and free provision of dwelling houses from the state?

>4. Have you ever heard about the country where all the members of society are trained to be highly civilized and creative beings under the slogan of making all the people well versed in science and technology?

>Fin-de-siecle ways of life like misanthropy, contempt, violence, pornography and corruption afflict the sound souls and bodies of people, driving them into the abyss of ignorance, in the U.S. and other Western countries. Those countries had better understand where they live in, the sunny world or the dark world and the civilized world or the barbarous world, before talking about someone's performance of "human rights".

>5. Can you pinpoint any land of human love, except the DPRK, in the world map?

>6. It is just the time for the U.S.-led hostile forces and the UN to throw away the old drum of "human rights" racket against the DPRK, isn't it?

Falsity gives in to truth and darkness to brightness.

>Nothing can cover up the brilliant reality of the DPRK where the people enjoy genuine rights at the highest level as real masters of the state and society and no one on earth can block the bright path ahead of the DPRK, no matter how rampant all sorts of lies, deceptions, tricks and plots are in the world.


 No.2779792


 No.2779912

File: cd7768df9669d30⋯.jpg (148.13 KB, 960x684, 80:57, chartoftheday_10380_north_….jpg)

>>2776665

>Why did North Korea's gdp stopped to grow in the 1970's?

Lots of answers here:

>>2772123

Also, in that time they started focusing on military development due to the increasing imperialist threat.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/north-korea-and-the-cuban-missile-crisis

>Why doesn't it grow anymore at all?

It is in fact growing despite the sanctions.


 No.2779913


 No.2779961

File: 4c02a541d6ac12c⋯.png (2.31 MB, 900x1365, 60:91, patriots traitors and empi….png)

File: b11e964e3ad027e⋯.pdf (3.28 MB, Stephen Gowans - Patriots,….pdf)


 No.2785516

File: f9e69086cd2bd61⋯.webm (4.61 MB, 640x360, 16:9, 60th anniversary of Cuban….webm)


 No.2785538

>>2724119

Why do you need that anyway?


 No.2785642

>>2699535

>culture war and public opinion means nothing

>resisting North Korea for any reason at all


 No.2785660

>>2785538

>he doesn't know the DPRK started hiring foreigners and encouraging immigration

You won't hear about it on Facebook, that's for sure. They don't want mass immigration, or those who would seek to work against them. Mainly they're looking for young, impressionable M-Ls who they don't need to re-educate, but can put to immediate use/work with only some Juche and history of Korea classes.


 No.2785678

>>2567096

The people are too polite to say anything bad or harass you, they are just gonna look you and think to themselves "capitalism, not even once"


 No.2785684

>>2725602

Any update to this or did the poster win a permanent vacation to one of U.S. Military's overseas resorts?


 No.2787232

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBDlWsm0nQE

Apparently this conditioning program has been out for a couple years. How many more months before a 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧preemptive invasion🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧?


 No.2787265

>>2779912

What is DPRK gdp anyway?


 No.2787313

>>2787232

God, this game really looks like shit. Everything from the gameplay, the environment, the dialogue and the story is like Call of Duty but worse. I for one am scared of the future of state department funded video games.


 No.2790442

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-missiles/north-korea-deemed-extraordinary-threat-in-trump-missile-defense-review-idUSKCN1PB04V

>President Donald Trump was unveiling a revamped U.S. missile defense strategy on Thursday that singles out North Korea as an ongoing and “extraordinary threat,” seven months after he declared the threat posed by Pyongyang had been eliminated.

>The Missile Defense Review is a sweeping examination of efforts to shield the United States from missile threats. It singles out concerns about advancing capabilities by North Korea, Iran, Russia and China.

>Acting U.S. Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan acknowledged the threat from those countries, and noted that North Korea’s missiles remain a “significant concern.”


 No.2792053

Is the thing about North Koreans being malnourished and shorter than South Koreans true? They do look kinda malnourished to me.


 No.2792055

File: c706dbe75d62edc⋯.png (62.71 KB, 1123x503, 1123:503, life expectancy2.png)

>>2792053

There was a famine after Soviet Union was betrayed, but North Korea is slowly recovering.


 No.2792097

Is it true the North killed most of their prisoners but wanted the South to give up their (alive) North Korean prisoners during the Korean War?


 No.2792331

>>2792097

I am pretty fucking sure the South killed far more prisoners and communist sympathisers. Google Bodo League Massacre


 No.2795766

File: 09dc6b44a55244d⋯.jpg (68.08 KB, 989x829, 989:829, life expectancy.jpg)

>>2787265

$30.7 billion in 2017 according to their own sources.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/10/13/asia-pacific/north-koreas-economy-grew-3-7-2017-pyongyang-professor-estimates/

Outside estimates are highly varied.


 No.2795773

File: e76269858f57337⋯.jpeg (191.92 KB, 1451x764, 1451:764, socialism far superior.jpeg)

File: c3e84db801a6e5a⋯.png (63.34 KB, 964x512, 241:128, capitalist society no futu….png)

File: 8377737e7754bec⋯.png (65.45 KB, 968x496, 121:62, bourg democracy is phony.png)

File: 43707b097c5834e⋯.png (68.67 KB, 959x546, 137:78, concession national ruin.png)

File: 1ee391bf0f1f5e9⋯.png (69.06 KB, 963x501, 321:167, great party.png)

>>2758245

Ri Hak Nam is based


 No.2795780

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziqq5gUXu8g

>North Korea is bad because this man was tortured

Rebuttles?


 No.2795806

>>2795780

Never trust defectors at their word alone. They are paid by the media and occupied Korean government in the south

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apart


 No.2796142

Why doesn't the leadership give up some of their luxuries to the people? Kim Jong-un is pretty fat and apparently spends a lot on cheese and wine – the rest of the country is rather malnourished and I can imagine the infrastructure is less than great across the country. Why not show some solidarity with the people and cut back on the personal expenses?


 No.2796189

>>2795806

Why are there defectors in the first place, especially if people have little knowledge of how the outside world is like?


 No.2796308

>>2779719

How's Cuba comparing to the DPRK? I'm guessing they have some unemployment and there's no free housing, the rest is the same. Is this correct?


 No.2796344

>>2796308

Article 9 of the Cuban constitution guarantees that the State will work "to achieve that no family lacks a comfortable home" but I have no idea what that means in practice. Besides that both do have free education and free healthcare. Both Cuba and the DPRK's healthcare have been praised by Western organizations, saying that for a developing country, the healthcare system of the DPRK is something to be envied. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-north-idUSTRE63T3TW20100430


 No.2796362

>>2796142

>Kim Jong-un (…) apparently spends a lot on cheese and wine

Source


 No.2796383

>>2796189

Check out this documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktE_3PrJZO0

TLDR: A lot of North Koreans are basically tricked into defecting with the promise of work, have their passports taken, are locked up in isolation for up to several months, and then indoctrinated. Defectors are given a shitload of money to tell harrowing stories about North Korea, sometimes just reading from a script given to them. Also, they're sponsored by the Koch Brothers and other organisations linked to, among other things, the Venezuelan opposition.

Bit of a long TLDR


 No.2796397

>>2796362

“it was real in my mind”


 No.2796457


 No.2796468

>>2796457

Fucking kek. Didn't these guys also post that article about everyone in NK having the same haircut?


 No.2796487

>>2796468

You can explain a poster not describing mandatory hair styles but in fact examples but not the guy literally spending lavishly on himself. Can't deny him gaining a lot of weight.


 No.2796573

>>2796457

there are plenty of chubbies in the DPRK


 No.2796585

>>2796487

>being a fatty means your country isn’t socialist


 No.2796627

>>2796585

That's not what I'm saying, it's that KJU isn't pulling his end of the deal. Rule of law (or theory) does not apply to him, evidently, since he doesn't suffer the same as his countrymen and women.

>>2796573

Any pictures?


 No.2796669

I don't get it, so Socialism is when you don't consume cheese?


 No.2797842

I heard the claim that North Korea hates the US despite receiving food aid from it. Is that true?


 No.2797846

>>2797842

every decent person on earth hates the US


 No.2797924

>>2797842

The implications of this question are absurd and I'm not sure if you're just dishonest or an idiot.

I bet you could convince most americans that North Korea is dependent on american food aid and they'd believe it.


 No.2799540

What's with the crying people at Kim il-Sung's funeral? No way they were all heartfelt, right?


 No.2799556

>>2799540

>>2797842

Same retard?


 No.2799583

>>2799556

Just answer the question. Explain this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RfKXLFT3wU


 No.2799606

>>2799583

That's not Kim il-Sung's funeral.

Anyways I don't know what to tell you, cult of personality is a real thing. One assumption we like to make is that people in socialist countries (USSR, DDR, Cuba, DPRK) are/were extremely cynical and discontent which is pure projection. Kim il-Sung is an actual hero, he's a figure of national liberation and post-war reconstruction. I don't know enough about Jong-il but the arduous march happened in the 90s and was long over when he died. He actually requested to join the world bank and the IMF and institute china-style reforms but got denied and the US kept north korea fully sanctioned.

Watch this to get an understanding of how and why people starved in the 1990s: https://youtu.be/ktE_3PrJZO0


 No.2803025

File: 58512aa15d9ba31⋯.png (155.17 KB, 381x412, 381:412, when_someone_is_posting_re….png)

>>2605948


 No.2803122

File: ce34d35ceaa5425⋯.jpg (7.77 KB, 299x302, 299:302, 1548211403973.jpg)

>>2715769

>find job where you're mostly left to be self-directing most of the day

>bust ass first month to build trust of management

>spend the rest of your time afterwards only working the bare minimum to not flag you

That's what I did when I used to work hotel maintenance. Most of the day I just bullshitted on my phone and did a few room inspections/carpet cleanings.


 No.2803179

>The prison work schedule is a fake and North Korean propaganda

Response?


 No.2803191


 No.2805302

File: 98cc3b4e81574d4⋯.png (1.7 MB, 854x1232, 61:88, socialist korea cover.png)

File: e462e2b37a2db13⋯.png (1.32 MB, 1088x1216, 17:19, socialist korea flap.png)

File: c9733e41371b02c⋯.pdf (10.34 MB, Socialist Korea - Monthly ….pdf)


 No.2805319

File: a41860bba271b14⋯.png (99.48 KB, 968x636, 242:159, communism mentioned in rod….png)

so much for them supposedly "not mentioning communism anymore"


 No.2805329

>>2805319

>Fairyland

Sounds like they're mocking it


 No.2805336

File: 2aa5582e80a747e⋯.png (88.21 KB, 417x413, 417:413, understanding korea 5 pg 6….png)

File: 8994887f1e312b1⋯.pdf (1.77 MB, Understanding Korea 5 - Ec….pdf)

>>2805329

DPRK translators sometimes make unusual choices of words when translating from Korean.

They use that word in reference to socialism as well.


 No.2805341

>>2803179

CNN is North Korean propaganda?


 No.2805343

>>2805341

Can you source the segment from CNN where they show this? Perhaps they were disparaging it or something?


 No.2805384


 No.2805428

>>2805336

lol the DPRK is literally elves vs orks


 No.2805431

>>2805384

This is just a lie cooked up by Norkea to feed CNN. In reality when the TV crews go away they torture people just like many defectors say. Why do you think they are so secretive? It's to feed their king and his cronies while the rest of the people hunger. Show me an independent investigation into the DPRK and I'll believe you (not that you have any other sources on the North other than what they show the world).


 No.2805496

File: d99b33c50d28a1f⋯.jpeg (149 KB, 797x703, 797:703, DvhOuuwUwAA0trB12345abcde….jpeg)

File: 581908dd52454f4⋯.png (566.79 KB, 800x1015, 160:203, propaganda contradiction.png)

File: 09cc60bb56e690d⋯.jpg (57.92 KB, 1080x572, 270:143, poisonous mushroom.jpg)

File: 08c919ce3208c0f⋯.png (155.19 KB, 424x212, 2:1, metro conspiracy theory.PNG)

File: 4c68f6ce20ac9c4⋯.png (179.51 KB, 580x447, 580:447, imperialist backpedal.png)

>>2805431

<DPRK put up a schedule on the wall betting entirely on the chance that CNN would take notice of it and display it

>they are tortured

After being released, the guy in the video only mentioned experiencing physical pain from hard labor and verbal abuse.

https://archive.fo/ewjIX

Even Otto Warmbier showed no signs of torture.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/28/otto-warmbier-torture-north-korea-coroner

>as many defectors have said

More like the ones who are paid to lie and read from scripts, not the ones who want to go back.

>North Korea: Defectors and their skeptics

https://thediplomat.com/2014/10/north-korea-defectors-and-their-skeptics/

>Why do North Korean defector testimonies so often fall apart?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apart

>Seoul to quadruple reward fee for North Korean defectors - CNN

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/05/asia/south-korea-reward-defectors/

>Why South Korea is offering more money to North Korean defectors

http://www.newsweek.com/why-south-korea-offering-more-money-north-korean-defectors-564330

>Why do North Korean defectors keep changing their stories?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkegD7V9E6g

>Prominent North Korean defector recants parts of his story

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/world/asia/prominent-north-korean-defector-shin-dong-hyuk-recants-parts-of-his-story.html

>The strange tale of Yeonmi Park

https://thediplomat.com/2014/12/the-strange-tale-of-yeonmi-park/

>Hoping to Lure High-Level Defectors, South Korea Increases Rewards

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/world/asia/hoping-to-lure-high-level-defectors-south-korea-increases-rewards.html

After fleeing North Korea, some defectors want to go back to life under Kim Jong Un

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-15/north-korean-defectors-returning-to-the-hermit-kingdom/9254654

>Korea’s hidden problem: suicidal defectors

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34710403

>Defector wants to return to North Korea - CNN

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/23/asia/north-south-korea-defector-family/index.html

>South Korea bans North Korean defector from repatriation - UPI.com

http://www.upi.com/%E2%80%A6/Seoul-rejects-North-Kor%E2%80%A6/7441442934149/

>North Korean Defector, ‘Treated Like Dirt’ in South, Fights to Return

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/world/asia/north-korea-defector-south-korea.html

>Defectors think most North Koreans approve of Kim Jong-Un

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/08/30/217186480/defectors-think-most-north-koreans-approve-of-kim-jong-un

>Why two North Korean defectors want to go back

https://www.nknews.org/2017/09/why-two-north-korean-defectors-want-to-go-back/

>North Korean defector says she feels “trapped” in the South

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUMtDlusNUs&feature=youtu.be

>Why does this North Korean defector want to return home? (mixed short video from the BBC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKYqtKZ_8eA

>South Korea shoots dead defector fleeing to the North

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10312221/South-Korean-army-shoots-dead-defector.html

>South Korea shoots dead man swimming to the North

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24105977

>North Korean defector interrupts UN Human Rights event, pleads to return home

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/14/north-korean-defector-interrupts-un-human-rights-event-plead/

>if they are secretive it must be something sinister

They said the same shit about the Pyongyang Metro. Tourists being restricted to two stations somehow meant that those were the only two real stations.

>king

Kim Jong Un isn't even the fucking head of state (President of SPA Presidum).

>the people hunger

It's not the 90s anymore. The Arduous March is long past, and nobody is starving to death although there is some level of malnutrition. And the effects of sanctions, especially fuel sanctions as well as natural disasters are hardly their fault.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/north-koreas-food-situation-stable-and-improving

>show me an independent investigation

<implying you wouldn't dismiss it as supposedly being what the DPRK cleverly manipulated and allowed the investigation to see


 No.2805504

>>2805496

15 years hard labour for stealing a poster is harsh, don't care who you are or what kind of country it is. Socialists should aim for rehabilitation, not punishment. That's what capitalists do.

The kid would have benefited from an education, and perhaps once released would be a vocal supporter of the DPRK because of the human me treatment compared to what the US does. But alas, statists gonna state.


 No.2805505

>>2805504

There has to be more to his crime.


 No.2805512

File: 4f71e0f5378dda6⋯.png (271.53 KB, 766x1410, 383:705, Screenshot-2019-2-2 Did Ot….png)

>>2805504

>>2805505

WARMBIER DESERVED WORSE


 No.2805524

>>2805504

The length is more symbolic than anything else. In practice, American prisoners in DPRK are freed by an agreement or due to some other reason long before the sentence duration is reached.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_nationals_detained_in_North_Korea


 No.2805527

>>2805505

There are strenuous links to a Methodist church that apparently he stole the poster for, going as far as to trespass into explicitly restricted areas to do so. I also heard something about him likely attempting suicide after getting caught, hence the oxygen deprivation in his brain as the coroner found on top of the lack of beating marks on his body.

>North Korea would later release grainy CCTV camera footage of an unidentifiable figure removing a framed propaganda poster from a wall in a restricted area of the hotel, claiming it was Otto. During the televised confession, Otto would read from a handwritten script that he had put on his “quietest boots, the best for sneaking” and attempted the theft at the prompting of a local Methodist church, a university secret society, and the American administration, “to harm the work ethic and motivation of the Korean people” and bring home a “trophy.” Many of the confession's details didn't square—for one, Otto was Jewish, not affiliated with a Methodist church—making experts suspect the words weren't originally Otto's. Whatever happened during those lost hours, when Gratton returned to his and Otto's room, around 4:30 A.M. on January 1, Otto was already snoozing.

>The following morning at the airport, the two tired friends were the last Young Pioneers to present their passports, side by side at a single desk. After an uncomfortably long time, Gratton noticed that the officers were intently scrutinizing the documents. Then two soldiers marched up, and one tapped Otto on the shoulder. Gratton thought the authorities just wanted to give the Imperial Enemy a hard time, and jested, “Well, that's the last we'll ever see of you.”

https://www.gq.com/story/otto-warmbier-north-korea-american-hostage-true-story


 No.2805532

>>2805496

More info on the metro? Is it really composed of more than two stations?


 No.2805645

File: ee1e88cd57a0cde⋯.png (263.51 KB, 2000x2000, 1:1, 2000px-Pyongang_metro_EN.s….png)

File: 3fdecd731eaaa06⋯.jpg (105.45 KB, 1080x1077, 360:359, 47357575_203336827220180_7….jpg)

>>2805532

Yeah, there are 16 stations, most of which were built in the 1970s. But before 2010 tourists were only allowed in two of them. Before that point, some people were claiming that the other stations didn't actually exist and that the DPRK was lying about them.

Even now, there are absurd conspiracy theories that it only operates when tourists are there, or that all the people in it are actors.

https://www.uritours.com/blog/virtual-tour-through-all-stops-pyongyang-metro-north-korea/


 No.2805877

What's the state of LGBT rights in the DPRK?


 No.2805879

File: 01272b45480b81b⋯.png (80.7 KB, 400x400, 1:1, ponder.png)

>>2805527

>Otto was Jewish

Who's gonna tell /pol/?


 No.2805882

>>2805645

Why allow only two though? Were the rest closed down for maintenance or something?


 No.2805884

File: eb2c0f85e5e7ea6⋯.jpeg (298.01 KB, 1096x731, 1096:731, 324255.jpeg)

>>2805877

They have no laws regarding LGBT.

This is what the KFA had to say about it back when their site had an FAQ:

>Due to tradition in Korean culture, it is not customary for individuals of any sexual orientation to engage in public displays of affection. As a country that has embraced science and rationalism, the DPRK recognizes that many individuals are born with homosexuality as a genetic trait and treats them with due respect.

>Homosexuals in the DPRK have never been subject to repression, as in many capitalist regimes around the world. However, North Koreans also place a lot of emphasis on social harmony and morals. Therefore, the DPRK rejects many characteristics of the popular gay culture in the West, which many perceive to embrace consumerism, classism and promiscuity.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090826062040/http://www.korea-dpr.com/faq.htm

>>2805882

The other stations were running but they were only allowed for DPRK citizens.


 No.2805885

>>2805884

thanks bro


 No.2805890

>>2805884

>The other stations were running but they were only allowed for DPRK citizens.

Is there any reason given for this? They kind of set themselves up for conspiracy theories otherwise.


 No.2806378

>>2805884

When I was in the DPRK, I asked my guide about LGBT rights and he seemed confused for a little bit. He then told me that being gay is illegal in the country. The fact that he seemed a little confused may mean he wasn't sure what I mean, like maybe he thought I was referring to marriage or something. But just something I felt may be note-worthy.


 No.2807225

File: 70edd263f5bf119⋯.png (331.59 KB, 702x432, 13:8, kim il sung university roo….png)

File: 8579ae74be15a07⋯.pdf (385.86 KB, The Criminal Law of the De….pdf)

File: 9984f9795265c87⋯.mp4 (4.34 MB, 640x360, 16:9, intro- Homegrown Outcasts ….mp4)

File: 6b06467d305abf0⋯.mp4 (7.69 MB, 640x360, 16:9, japanese colonialism - Hom….mp4)

>>2805890

Small correction there. Foreign citizens who actually lived in the country, like exchange students were allowed to use those stations at that time.

It was probably part of the general restrictions on the movement of tourists. Before the 90s, they were more open in this regard, but after some began deliberately seeking out the worst looking areas to take pictures for use in propaganda, these restrictions were put into place.

It is clear that conspiracy theories arise regardless of what they do. "it's a potemkin village", "it's just for 'the elite'" and so on. As Michael Parenti said:

>In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a non-falsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/10/06/left-anticommunism-the-unkindest-cut/

>>2806378

According to this pdf from a anti-DPRK source:

Article 194 outlaws decadent culture.

Article 195 outlaws sexually explicit media.

Article 262 outlaws obscene acts.

There is no mention of LGBT however.

>>2807092

The stories behind it are very far-fetched. Why would they need to kidnap people to find Japanese teachers for spy schools, when they already have thousands of Zainichi Koreans who lived and were born in Japan, and later moved to the DPRK in the 60s and 70s? Not to mention the few Japanese Red Army members in exile there.

Also, in the Cold War, there were plenty of southern defectors to the DPRK. Some of these were called "abductions" by the ROK regime.


 No.2809054

Speaking of foreign prisoners etc.

Does anybody know anything about Matthew Todd Miller? The guy went to North Korea intending to get arrested because he wanted to see what was going on there. He said he ultimately felt bad about what he did because it was a waste of everybody's time, and in retrospect seemed disrespectful to North Korea. He said he came to that conclusion because he wasn't tortured, the labor camp he was sent to wasn't especially harsh, and he ended up making friends with some North Koreans.

His reflection on the experiences in NK were published after his release in 2014, but it seems no news ever really followed up. This wouldn't be very interesting, except for the fact that in the two most comprehensive articles (published in NKnews and The Guardian), towards the end he mentions how he became friendly with some Koreans and spoke with them extensively, which fulfilled one of his original goals in intentionally getting arrested, but said that he was undecided on if he would ever talk much more about those experiences he had with average Koreans. To me that seems very interesting, I would have liked to hear more about that, but apparently nobody ever asked him anything further or he declined any other interviews. He seems to have just disappeared. I wondered if it was possible to track him down and ask him if he'd be willing to share anything else in particular about his time there as a prisoner. You'd really think with western media obsession about these kinds of things he would have already been tracked down for further interviews.


 No.2809094

>>2725526

Is it possible for a burger to move to NK?


 No.2809141

>>2785660

Please give a source. This could potentially be a dream come true if you're not bullshitting.


 No.2809254

>>2809141

His ass.


 No.2809256

>>2809141

There are foreign companies that put workers there, mostly from China, though those Chinese companies that have connections to Europe will sometimes move Europeans into NK. I doubt it's anything like you just show up and say you want to work in a factory. They'll think you're a spy.


 No.2809280

>>2809054

He may not want to get the people he talked to into trouble. I mean, I doubt there is some great mystery behind this - average North Koreans might not be different than average people elsewhere, with rather apolitical concerns and interests.

Still, the Guardian article is useful to bring up when the whole propaganda about North Korean "concentration camps" are brought up.


 No.2809282

>>2809256

You can still work as an English teacher but as a Westerner they'll think you are a spy because they have a reason to think that. Even ML parties - or should I say, especially ML parties - are filled with cops, they have no reason to trust these people, but they do trust people from non-aligned countries from the Global South. There quite a bit of pictures of African English teachers, and I know this sounds stupid, but if aren't white you might have better chances to work in North Korea.

Also, today I found out that North Korea has build a famous fountain in my city, Frankfurt. Kinda funny.


 No.2809284

>>2807306

Not counting re-defectors who go back to the DPRK, there are several instances listed here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Bloc_defectors

Mostly ROK Army soldiers, but also a former ROK Foreign Minister, and a chemist known for the invention of vinalon. General Choi Hong Hi, who is regarded as the founder of Taekwondo was also a defector to the DPRK.

Trying to do this today will most likely get you deported back to the south.


 No.2810480

>>2809282

>Also, today I found out that North Korea has build a famous fountain in my city, Frankfurt. Kinda funny.

I didn't know this. It's called Frankfurter Märchenbrunnen and North Koreans reconstructed it the same year they participated in the Frankfurt Book Fair in 2004.

Also, hello fellow Frankfurt comrade. It's cool seeing someone from around here. I thought I was the only Frankfurter on leftypol. Being an actual communist feels lonely when you're surrounded by shitlibs and anarkiddies.


 No.2810958

File: be5bcc67056a56e⋯.png (42.2 KB, 1317x1034, 1317:1034, dprk planning and supply.png)

File: a38778598395fb8⋯.png (36.53 KB, 1292x990, 646:495, dprk education system 1972….png)

File: cc055b824c06111⋯.png (93.65 KB, 1458x1365, 486:455, dprk agrarian and industri….png)

File: bad4752323daca3⋯.png (21.36 KB, 971x636, 971:636, dprk superstructure.png)

>>2805302

Charts from the book


 No.2810989

>>2810480

Sadly I don't live there anymore as I moved last year! But I still consider it "my city" since the majority of my friends are there. And yeah, almost every "leftist" I meet there is AntiD. Sage for off-topic


 No.2811725


 No.2812667

>>2812661

There is no evidence that the DPRK bans gays. It's probably correct that they aren't big on it either but people pull it out of their asses when they say that gay people are oppressed in the DPRK.

It's correct that they have pruder morals, you won't find a couple kissing each other in public - that goes for straight and gay people. AFAIK the laws also state that sexual freedom is guaranteed.


 No.2812682

https://youtu.be/_IcJPCo3bMY

I love this guy's videos but he did a shit job on this one


 No.2812687

File: 068affff9bc07a3⋯.png (774.09 KB, 636x474, 106:79, 0% interest in people.png)

Documentary on slavery of mentally disabled people in South Korea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNb-twWyEz8

CaPiTaLiSm Is ThE mOsT mOrAl SyStEm GuYz

but seriously it's pretty hilarious how the slavers will just talk to him openly, that's how tolerated it is.


 No.2812867

>>2812687

This is the kind of people who would cry about commies freeing their slaves


 No.2816200

File: 227c19e233878f9⋯.jpg (56.77 KB, 1065x738, 355:246, 52111513_2267816466809257_….jpg)

File: b7c471cb41c78d6⋯.jpg (39.86 KB, 560x960, 7:12, 52451533_2267816890142548_….jpg)


 No.2816204

>>2812687

the ROK is fascist


 No.2816209

>>2816204

Agreed. Everything is aethetics for them.


 No.2816214

>>2816200

El oh el come on dude. Is she already that spent as a public figure? I have some sympathy for these people and their terror at possibly falling into the ditch of poverty in SK should they just become a nobody defector, but at least get some independent book deal or something so you can collect checks forever. Otherwise you’re rendered to this, talking about how the DPRK of all places doesn’t have museums!


 No.2816269

If North Korea practices Juche why does it seem so reliant on China for trade? Why did they take such a massive hit when the USSR dissolved?


 No.2816314

File: a48dc2e639ee63f⋯.jpg (173.08 KB, 900x710, 90:71, snap.jpg)

>>2816269

>if North Korea practices self-reliance then why do they trade with China and why weren't they self-reliant when the USSR fell?


 No.2816585

File: 5abaaabb2c6ef42⋯.jpg (1.29 MB, 5542x1575, 5542:1575, kim jong il on independent….jpg)

File: eb7704456e2e27c⋯.pdf (578.28 KB, ON THE JUCHE IDEA.pdf)

>>2816269

>>2816314

They are self sufficient in most things besides oil and fuel, which they cannot obtain within their own borders. So they have to rely on their allies for this resource.

And Juche does not mean "self-reliance", it means "subject". As in the proletariat as the revolutionary subject and man as the post revolutionary subject. Self-reliance to the maximum possible extent is a part of it, but it isn't all there is to it.


 No.2816622

>>2592993

based north korea, Ño!, un cubano en leftypol.


 No.2816626

>>2816622

Introduce cuban leaders to cockshott and his economic cyber-planning mi amigo

Por favor, introduzca a los líderes cubanos en la planificación cibernética económica de Cockshott y proyecto SYNCO de Chile.


 No.2816635

>>2803025

Witout a selfith idustry for building GPUs, Cpus, and chips, we cannot make the hardware, and the software is half made it (open sourse and free software system like freeBSD or GNU/Linux already used in the public administration), so, I don't see how the efford in this can be driven for our revolution, those theories only work in a industralizen country without sactions.


 No.2816657

>>2816635

>Witout a selfith idustry for building GPUs, Cpus, and chips, we cannot make the hardware,

The planning algorithms can run on a desktop computer or a modern cell phone. The data can be stored on a modest server, for an economy Cuba's size. The data can be entered through computers in workplaces or public access, gradually if needed.

>the software is half made it

You should get in touch with some smart programmer friends or students. Since Cockshott has put his algorithm out there (not the only one that could work, but a good example), the rest of the implementation is trivial. A team of five or ten could very quickly put together a working system.

>those theories only work in a industralizen country without sactions.

Sanctions give all the more reason to use resources most efficiently. The whole purpose of Kantorivich's method, and the modern estimation technique that Cockshott is proposing.


 No.2816715

>>2816585

>oil and fuel

Isn't North Korea's biggest industry mining, especially in coal? How can they not be self-sufficient in oil and fuel?


 No.2816720

>>2816715

wdhmbt


 No.2816731

File: 36426f54fa8406a⋯.jpeg (2.4 MB, 3872x2592, 121:81, siniuju coal.jpeg)

>>2816715

DPRK has a lot of coal but they don't have any oil or gas to extract.

They are carrying out and developing coal liquefaction and gasification to some extent though.

https://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/dprk-investments-in-coal-gasification-driven-by-long-run-juche-and-and-sanctions-proofing/


 No.2818036

File: b4c7134ef55ff59⋯.jpg (40.98 KB, 935x257, 935:257, DyxOvDzVYAAOpBw.jpg)

File: 420112a682b1ea3⋯.jpg (149.24 KB, 939x1200, 313:400, DyxOulxU0AEDjVh.jpg)

File: d5206d29a25a3d1⋯.jpg (24.67 KB, 452x446, 226:223, 52635787_10156965668472731….jpg)

File: 02cb11528dae495⋯.png (205.43 KB, 723x827, 723:827, 5cb5897a5f34ffb6e2e3fadd95….png)

>>2816221

Be sure to add this to your bourgeois media collection


 No.2818114

File: cca7bc47a059d70⋯.png (152.17 KB, 571x1750, 571:1750, Screenshot_2019-02-18 Jaka….png)

>>2818036

Couldn't the second image be that guy's Indonesian friends, or are those North Koreans? Also someone commented that sidewalks have no ramps for the disabled and buildings don't have wheelchair access, and that this image is of one of the few people in wheelchairs in the entire city. Is this true?


 No.2820648

File: f54f284e274eec1⋯.png (187.1 KB, 1980x1324, 495:331, Screenshot_2019-02-21 How ….png)

Didn't North Korea develop faster than the South did up til the 70s? What happened after?


 No.2822112

So this anarcho-liberal "NonCompete" has made a video about North Korea:

https://youtu.be/z8LocJ7hcDk

He's saying that they US is bad but his takes about the DPRK are pretty bad.


 No.2823916

>>2820648

couple factors

>Massive American investment

>decline and collapse of USSR

>Japan stagnates leaving a hole for S.Korea to fill


 No.2823944

File: ac89e4f05b3c8ce⋯.jpg (127.78 KB, 1600x1005, 320:201, infographicx1600.jpg)

File: 558a277ab70de63⋯.jpg (54.48 KB, 638x479, 638:479, economic-study-of-south-ko….jpg)

File: 64b7151f4fcc590⋯.jpg (124.27 KB, 630x731, 630:731, south-korea-graphic-patent….jpg)

File: 4ed30d6e467ee62⋯.jpg (145.42 KB, 960x720, 4:3, sk-economy.jpg)

>>2820648

If your only trading partners are basically just the USSR and China then don't expect your GDP to rise as fast as similar countries who get to also trade with Japan, USA, Canada, Australia, Europe et al. Today more than 80% of North Korean trade is with China.


 No.2823982

>it’s another “surely Kim will unilaterally denuclearize and liberalize” episode

Trump truly is a retard. Kim’s probably building more nukes as they talk in Hanoi.

BUILD MORE KIM


 No.2823986

>>2823982

Kim Jong-un - The Art of the Deal


 No.2823988

>>2823944

>The Netherlands and Luxembourg

what in the goddamn


 No.2823994

>>2823982

I think there's a materialism vs idealism joke in here.


 No.2823999

File: 9dbd337579885a3⋯.png (416.31 KB, 778x1200, 389:600, 2A717D1D-B85E-4395-A2B4-BD….png)

>>2823986

Well, /leftypol/, would you read it?


 No.2824003

Over time I've come to take genuine delight in some of the trite put out by hawkish pundits. Here's a nice excerpt:

>The summit alone is a public-relations coup for Kim. A one-on-one meeting with the U.S. president has been a long-held North Korean goal. The TV images beamed into North Korea will show the leader of a small totalitarian rogue nuclear state on an apparently equal footing with the leader of the free world. That already would be a significant diplomatic and domestic political win for Kim.

Just imagine how seething some of these people are. They know North Korea has always had a spine of steel and it bothers them. They couldn't and still can't break North Korea like they've done to dozens of other countries. They know the sanctions don't work as intended. They know the nukes change the playing field. They know Kim Jong-un keeps coming home with a victory at every summit and meeting. And all they can do is rattle about it.


 No.2824009

>>2824003

I was hearing stuff like that on MSNBC today while I was driving home. It’s pretty funny how helpless America and all of the hawks were rendered as soon as the DPRK began building nuclear weapons and ICBMs. I did notice they’re still holding out hope for some sort of denuclearization with security guarantees but they’re honestly delusional if they think that would work, especially after stuff like Libya’s ending of its WMD program and the aftermath of that combined with Trump’s JCPOA pullout.


 No.2824040

>>2824009

How is the DPRK's nuclear threat supposed to work? Doesn't America have better anti-missle defenses than the DPRK has offenses? Or is just the thread of the annihilation of Seoul enough for them?


 No.2824045

>>2824040

>How is the DPRK's nuclear threat supposed to work?

I assume it’s more deterrence-oriented than anything. From what I know, even without nukes the DPRK could devastate Seoul pretty quickly through shelling alone. Nuclear weapons are the best guarantee of the country’s survival and no one really wants to be the one to start launching nukes, though I have no doubt Kim would retaliate if the US overstepped. Too bad they don’t have to resources to read MAD levels


 No.2824238

>>2824040

It is to vaporize an aircraft carrier rather than make few holes in it with anti-ship missiles and make it sink.

An aircraft carrier has 10 000 people crew and those would be exposed to quite a lot of radiation and would die quickly.

Only pity is about the cooks, cleaners and other civilian personell. But they should not have signed up to be servants of imperialism.

>>2824045

Seoul is full of korean people, the DPRK has no interest in causing civilian casualties. Neither has any normal south korean person if they really think about it and are asked in a specific manner which presses the question instead of merely inducing it through speculation.

USA does not particularly care about the well being of the 10 million gooks huddled in high rise apartment buildings along the Han river. They are all goddamn gooks to them. Chinky, flat faced yellow bastards they appear to the american military. Speaking in weird language and writing in weird moon runes.


 No.2824242

>>2824238

>Only pity is about the cooks, cleaners and other civilian personell.

no civvies on an aircraft carrier


 No.2824309

>>2823982

Why wouldn't he denuclearise? All he wants is the sanctions relieved and a peace treaty and no presence of US troops on the peninsula. The same thing that happened to Gaddafi also wouldn't be happening as the DPRK would obviously increase ties with the RoK, and then everything hurting the DPRK would hurt the South too, and don't forget China.

He won't liberalise though except special economic zones.


 No.2824310

>>2824040

The US does not' have a 100% reliable deterrent against ICBMs. These things go through space. In fact even Russia and Israel have tested far more elaborate interception deterrences. It doesn't matter if the North Korean ICBMs are crap, they still pose a threat.


 No.2824326

File: a82685020ca13f1⋯.png (88.75 KB, 460x258, 230:129, 5c7517eafc7e93027a8b45a4.png)

jesus christ how CHAD can Kim Jong Un even get?

https://www.rt.com/news/452437-kim-jong-un-cigarette-break/


 No.2824422

File: e28bf85f06d16f3⋯.jpeg (52.77 KB, 640x960, 2:3, 20230356-8983-4B6D-90E1-F….jpeg)

>>2824326

Kim Jong Un is actually harming his chad-potential. He looks even heavier in that pic, not to mention the long-term effects of smoking. Imagine if Kim was ripped and fit.

>stoic

>deep voice

>chiseled body

>young

He’d be philosopher-king tier and loved worldwide, making Trump look like an old, fat orange man with alzheimers


 No.2824437

File: 65cd49fd75864f7⋯.jpg (38.09 KB, 225x225, 1:1, 1431662416746-0.jpg)

>>2824040

>anti-missle defenses

those are memes for the most part, especially when referring to ICBMs


 No.2824446

>>2824309

>Why wouldn't he denuclearise?

because it's a hilariously dumb move, especially in return for sanctions that would simply be restored by a later or even same administration should the DPRK refuse to follow China's lead in going full capitalist

possessing nuclear arms are what forced the US to the bargaining table after decades, to give those up is naive beyond belief


 No.2824452

>>2824422

lol calm your peepee homo


 No.2824478

>>2824452

t. fatty


 No.2824482

File: bb0c90d968d92f8⋯.jpg (20.2 KB, 484x298, 242:149, yg7shngj1ioz.jpg)

>>2824422

>ywn slim kim


 No.2824967

Bump for news


 No.2824979

File: b23082a15d2117d⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 29.36 KB, 960x848, 60:53, 289f55a2ff618f54fc56e5c57b….jpg)

>>2824482

Exercise is capitalist

Kim would fucking explode in popularity if he became ripped.


 No.2824980

>>2824482

god i fucking wish


 No.2825010

>>2824482

North Korea, led by a K-pop idol, singing about how awesome Juche is, when?


 No.2825253

File: 9583dacb4410479⋯.png (554.84 KB, 1240x687, 1240:687, 5c7516e4dda4c8f21b8b4587.png)

File: c52a8202cf36561⋯.jpg (199.77 KB, 800x926, 400:463, img_20180320134546_1260706….jpg)

File: 949e3d9dd07c00c⋯.png (516.09 KB, 960x720, 4:3, Snímek z Moranbong Band - ….png)

>>2824326

Regarding the article, they might have a small mistake, if someone has a signature hairstyle, and is speaking to women with short hairstyles, then it is Hyon Song Wol. Also the face fits Hyon Song Wol rather than Ri Sol Ju.

And the women with short hairstyles are probably members of Moranbong Band. So a concert in Hanoi is planned.


 No.2825300

>>2824309

>Why wouldn't he denuclearise?

Wait are you serious? Because the nukes are the only thing keeping N. Korea alive.


 No.2825386

Is there any truth to the claims made by this article?

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/north-korea-defector-reveals-horror-details-of-kim-jonguns-torture-and-execution-methods/news-story/42bee7653900320970d245053c626480

As much as I know not to trust defector claims and also know to recognize that the DPRK has at some point committed "human rights violations" I am genuinely curious.


 No.2825399

>>2825386

It's true, I spent 20 years in Kim Jong-il's cock and ball torture pit.


 No.2825409

File: 6e4950a69c50eaa⋯.jpg (25.6 KB, 474x266, 237:133, temp.jpg)

>>2825399

>It's true, I spent 20 years in Kim Jong-il's cock and ball torture pit.

I dunno why but I find this fucking hilarious.


 No.2825425

File: e398edb465dd194⋯.jpg (151.04 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, moranbong.jpg)

>>2825253

The Moranbong Band is a total MILF fantasy. Especially when there's giant rockets going whoosh on a video screen in the background.


 No.2825446

File: 99a396b07af4710⋯.jpeg (152.46 KB, 639x425, 639:425, DF48F4DC-1755-4C09-AB39-1….jpeg)

>>2825425

Someone needs to make one of those “soul : soulless” memes between the Moranbang Band and South Korean K-pop

>ywn see them sing about the joy of building socialism IRL

https://youtu.be/rCQ3iJLuw8M


 No.2825459

File: 908007e412190b7⋯.png (1.24 MB, 851x851, 1:1, LMAO.png)

>>2825386

MFW DPRK is so poor that it starves its citizens but uses anti-aircraft shells to execute individual people.


 No.2825473

File: 9591e02df1012e6⋯.jpeg (97.46 KB, 735x490, 3:2, 9C10CD85-5B0E-44E5-8DCA-B….jpeg)

>>2825386

Every country commits “human rights violations”, but the only ones held accountable are outside of the imperial core. Any article from the bourgeois press starting with “a North Korean defector says….” should be totally ignored. North Korea has always stood against war, advocated for nuclear disarmament and provides its citizens with quality health care, working rights, housing, maternity rights and education for all. Compared to America, the DPRK is a veritable utopia


 No.2825495

>>2825459

It's telling how Americans buy into retarded rumors like this. After all, THEIR government starves them to fund the military and literally execute individual people with drone strikes, so why wouldn't DPRK? I guess there's this cognitive dissonance going on in the American brain at all times between "America good" and reality, so they need rumors like this to stay sane.


 No.2825502

>>2825386

>executed with anti aircraft guns

based and redpilled


 No.2825503

File: 985378fabce3bfe⋯.jpg (80.62 KB, 1440x1080, 4:3, cpc mao.jpg)

>>2825495

JUST IN

DPRK's elite uses political prisoners in "gladiator like" games, where they fight to the death, leap over lava and at the end the losers get executed by ballistic missiles.

source: the new york times


 No.2825898

File: ef5c637da8d5b47⋯.jpg (147.57 KB, 500x330, 50:33, 14501.jpg)

File: d7a529195f0033a⋯.jpg (59.82 KB, 235x352, 235:352, Hyon_Song-wol.jpg)

File: e2d9036238c1384⋯.jpg (67.43 KB, 636x421, 636:421, Hyon-Song-Wol-2018.jpg)

>>2818114

Yeah, those are Koreans. The claims of repression against disabled people in the DPRK, like not being allowed to live in Pyongyang or being sent to camps have no basis in fact.

There are international organizations such as Handicap International and the Red Cross working in the DPRK and aiding the KFPDP in their efforts to improve the lives of disabled people. They have reported no such thing.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120702152154/http://www.handicap-international.org.uk/where_we_work/asia/north_korea

http://www.naenara.com.kp/ch/order/kfpd/index.php?lang=e&page=0

http://www.embracingdiversity.net/statements/the-situation-of-persons-with-disabilities-in-north-korea-preliminary-findings-_1026

>>2825425

>>2825446

The leader of the Moranbong Band, Hyon Song Wol is also a member of the Central Committee of the Workers Party of Korea


 No.2826026

I love looking at the difference between hypersexualized Occupied Korean mass-produced garbage music and Moranbang’s great music. The first link is worth little more than as something to jerk off to but the second one is genuinely good. Capitalism destroys everything

Soulless:

https://youtu.be/co8uxwGtcLk

Soul:

https://youtu.be/i4NgkxkBZi0

Which is truly “empowering”?


 No.2826063

>>2825503

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

NORTH KOREA PARTICIPATES IN THE ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE???

anonymus sources claim that the petty dictator of north korea, Kim Jong Un (hair lmao XDDDD) is importing black slaves from the african countries of Angola, Nigeria and Benin. The slaves arrive on ships bearing the flags of the Iberian union every month in a small port, ~50 miles away from Pyongyang.

source: daily mail.


 No.2826085

>>2826026

I like the Pochonbo Electronic Ensemble. Good North Korean music. The Moranbang band had a great New Year's performance as well this year.

This Pochonbo song is pretty incredible: https://youtu.be/5u2UhBMZdjc

This one also totally jams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4vZFpGMS0g

Listen to it while running errands or shopping for groceries or something. Some of it still feels a little too golden oldies for me, though.

As far as South Korea, my only observation is that Korea itself seems like a place of extremes, between hyper-communist and hyper-capitalist with no middle ground. K-Pop tends to make me sick to my stomach, especially when reading about the abuse that the performers are subjected to, and also how disposable they are.

On the other hand, there's one K-Pop song I liked recently which was "No" by CLC. But the song is pretty dark and almost like a gothic-industrial song at least in the mood and in terms of the sonic atmosphere of the track, which is more fitting for the environment that produced it, in my mind: https://youtu.be/ZvhpjERxJlQ


 No.2826088

>>2826085 (me)

I would add though that one trick about K-Pop is that whatever they're singing about, the opposite is the case in actual fact. So in that song they're going "I Like Me" which means that, in reality, the performers hate themselves; are suicidally depressed, etc. That is what is so disgusting about capitalism: it makes a liar out of everyone.


 No.2826207

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITDoVi0VJV4

Where did he get all of this information from ?


 No.2826213

>>2826207

>Joe Rogan

Tards gonna tard. I already know everything he'll say in this video. It's like arguing with normies who have no clue what Marxism is


 No.2826220

>>2826207

I feel compelled to respond to some of this stuff just because I'm a dipshit on a couch with nothing better to do.

The first real anecdote he mentions is the wealthy Pyongyangite on the phone rolling her eyes at a soldier/cop and flashing her ID at him when he asks for papers. He says this is an example of how wealthy people now run the country and flout the law.

What is funny to me is I don't doubt that wealthy people in the DPRK indulge in public corruption or have some priviledges. It happens in literally every country. But you can see his assumptions right away, or the assumptions he presumes the audience has (or Joe). People assume that you couldn't possibly show some discontent with a soldier in North Korea without immediately being carted off to a camp somewhere along with your family and house plants. So naturally, the only reason she can do this is because she is wealthy. But it seems just as likely that this was a woman who was talking with someone on the phone, got a routine ID check that is probably at least somewhat mundane in Pyongyang, and so not appreciating the cop's disinterest in her phone call rolled her eyes to show that he was bothering her. The cop, possibly spending most of his time in the military patrolling, doing drills, possibly being used for other work like farming or assisting in construction or whatever, was a normal guy that wasn't looking to cause a scene and so begrudgingly nodded her along and continued monitoring the street till he could end his workday.

Additionally, he goes on to talk about how the country has become more of a fascist state than a communist one because there are a ton of black markets that create rich people, who then "bribe their way out of anything", effectively having free reign while everyone else is subjugated by the totalitarian machine. But right after that Joe asks where they keep their money, and then my man just says "that's interesting you see, because at first they kept it under their matresses but the government figured out and changed the currency, and everyone went broke. It figures out what they're doing and fucks them over every step of the way". What the fuck dude, you were just describing how they can get away with anything and they're the backbone of the economy that the government tolerates, but then you describe how the government tries to disempower them. Then he talks about how the government allowed border guards to keep their bribes as long as they turned in people running back and forth across the border. So apparently they don't completely abide black market activity.

Anyways, this is getting long but that was the first five minutes.


 No.2826277

>>2826220

I'd imagine they keep dollars, euros, yuan and yen if the DPRK changes its currency often.


 No.2826279

>>2826277

I'm sure they do, there are reports that NK has been going through a long anti-corruption campaign for the past couple of months that it is speculated is meant to root out hidden foreign currency reserves to meet import needs through China. Supposedly all the smugglers, embezzlers and company owners are feeling really nervous.


 No.2826378


 No.2826381

File: 4c2976abb8cdaaf⋯.png (334.35 KB, 615x301, 615:301, man down.PNG)


 No.2826391

File: 4988b46cc7e3a0f⋯.gif (3.01 MB, 384x212, 96:53, miyamotos judgementu.gif)

They're having a press conference in about 20 mins. I bet it's nothing. Trump is going to say they had a good talk and he hopes to speak again. Although I'd be a little surprised if Kim was the one who dropped it with no progress, it seems like he has been gunning to get sanctions drawn down.


 No.2826395

>hire Bolton

>talks literally go nowhere

Wow it's like he wants this meeting to fail


 No.2826409

Sounds like the US tried to sell them on "economic investments" again and were told to fuck off

https://twitter.com/nktpnd/status/1101017809138737152


 No.2826410


 No.2826411

File: 3dc4abc7a053940⋯.jpg (197.38 KB, 980x551, 980:551, 5c77871cdda4c8e9228b462f.jpg)

'No agreement was reached' at Trump, Kim summit - White House

The White House has said that no deal was reached during the summit between Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un in Hanoi. Their meeting was cut short, with both leaders leaving early without holding a signing ceremony.

Trump and Kim were seen leaving the Metropole hotel separately, almost two hours before they were expected to conclude their meeting and hold a signing ceremony.

Speculation over what transpired was quickly put to rest after the White House stated that no deal had been reached.

“No agreement was reached at this time,” press secretary Sarah Sanders confirmed. However, a seemingly mixed message was also sent by Washington, claiming that the meeting between the two leaders was “good” and “constructive.”

https://www.rt.com/news/452620-kim-trump-summit-no-deal/


 No.2826412

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1100895627997794305

>US negotiators no longer demanding North Korea agree to disclose full accounting of nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs as part of talks between President Trump and Kim Jong Un, according to current and former US officials.

SO MUCH WINNING

DEALS DEALS DEALS DEALS DEALS DEALS DEALS DEALS


 No.2826413

>they wanted sanctions lifted in their entirety

>in return DPRK would have reduced most of their nuclear sites

>Trump started attacking reporters


 No.2826415


 No.2826419

This press conference is hilarious damage control


 No.2826423

File: c2ddde365891ca6⋯.png (781.51 KB, 1078x1021, 1078:1021, 1549735911686.png)

File: 871261a80b8e39a⋯.jpg (61.96 KB, 570x428, 285:214, 1550897106738.jpg)

>>2826419

This, now let's see how the pedes manage to justify this one.


 No.2826551

File: 9dbd337579885a3⋯.png (416.31 KB, 778x1200, 389:600, 61764830-191D-48B7-ABE1-3F….png)


 No.2826627

>take your sweet time enjoying the Chinese countryside by train

>cut first meeting short by 2 hours

>reject american investment yet somehow manage to make them drop disclosure of their nuclear arsenal as a demand

chad


 No.2826636

File: 3b92950e278c36a⋯.jpg (53.58 KB, 750x375, 2:1, 5b6b33e3959f345d118b4.jpg)

>>2826627

Juche wins again.


 No.2826641

File: 175bf9ea23b39ec⋯.jpeg (82.07 KB, 611x404, 611:404, 603BD9ED-A55D-44CB-8396-C….jpeg)

>when the president of the US learns the truth and the media goes insane

Otto Warmbier: Trump defends Kim over US student's death

>US President Donald Trump has defended North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in the case of an American college student who died after being jailed by North Korea.

>Speaking in Hanoi after his summit with Mr Kim broke down, Mr Trump said he did not believe the North Korean leader was aware of Otto Warmbier's ordeal.

>Mr Trump said: "He tells me he didn't know about it, and I will take him at his word."

>The US president said: "I did speak about it, and I don't believe that he would have allowed that to happen.

>"It just wasn't to his advantage to allow that to happen. Prisons are rough, they're rough places, and bad things happened."

>He said Mr Kim "felt very badly about it", adding: "He knew the case very well, but he knew it later. In those prisons, those camps, you have a lot of people."

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-47404629

Daily reminder that the thief Otto Warmbier was not harmed by the DPRK. It was a suicide attempt.


 No.2826800

File: d86c6c7ec18eaf1⋯.jpg (58.67 KB, 286x323, 286:323, d86.jpg)

>>2826641

literally everybody is mad at trump for telling them the truth lmao


 No.2826820

>>2826641

It's gonna be hard for the "Socialist" candidates running in twenty-twenty to convince people to hate this man.

I unironically like Donald Trump. That doesn't change my hardcore economic beliefs, but it's impossible not to like him.

What i would do if i was one of those so-called "Socialist" candidates running next year is that i would run against Trump in a "mutual-respect" sort of way. I'd act skeptical about shit-flinging from other candidates toward him, in the hopes that he would do the same for me.

It would sort of be like, "I respect Trump, he does what he thinks is right for the country and he does it to the best of his ability - it hasn't been easy for him to become president, it hasn't been easy for him to BE president, due to the neo-liberals in congress attacking him from every angle, but i disagree with his solutions. I know he hates the "swamp" very much, but he hasn't been able to deal with them - i am very willing to get rid of them for good. As for his policies, he has tried to make this country right but i disagree with his policies, his economic policies especially. While i respect him, i don't think he's going to fulfill his promises to you, the American people."

Then i would proceed to attack everyone else but him, in the hopes that me and him would have a mutual respect for each-other, making each-other much more popular among the masses while at the same time dealing with the rest of the candidacy. Not that i'm a candidate, but if i did run that's exactly what i'd do.


 No.2826867

>>2826820

americucks: not even once


 No.2826926

File: 456145286983eeb⋯.jpg (190.63 KB, 1056x704, 3:2, kim il sung and kim jong i….jpg)

>>2826820

>Trump

Yes, we communists should respect an anti-proletarian, pro-big business, red-baiting Zionist warhawk who pays pornstars hush-money that can't even bring himself to condemn literal fascists.

If there is anything or anyone to respect on the campaign trail it would be Juche and the Kim family. They, together with the Korean proletariat, liberated their nation from Japanese imperialism, gave their people democracy, women equal rights, health care, education, employment. Trump stands for none of those things. He is the enemy of the proletariat, whether American or not


 No.2826967

File: 49ab859d4d582ff⋯.png (500.88 KB, 2218x1090, 1109:545, 49a.png)

File: 7168135a6d09561⋯.mp4 (2.67 MB, 512x640, 4:5, 7168135a6d09561e5d3028d344….mp4)

>America lost in Vietnam

>Again


 No.2826972

File: 663cdc49a871ccd⋯.png (163.3 KB, 364x473, 364:473, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2826967

*laughs in Ho Chi Minh*


 No.2826978

>>2826967

>that Undyne

Sauce?


 No.2827012

File: 67cafd9cc5edca8⋯.jpg (25.12 KB, 400x400, 1:1, ZPLzCNlt_400x400.jpg)

>>2826978

https://twitter.com/Haaru11311778/status/1071144643188928512

Looks like it's mostly NSFW, so be careful have fun, comrade.


 No.2827129

File: c19b5297b6a56a4⋯.png (528.49 KB, 688x568, 86:71, 3e0.png)

>>2826641

The truth slips through the cracks in the imperialist propaganda narrative once again.

Otto Warmbier Likely Died of Suicide Attempt, Not North Korean Torture

>2018.07.27

>He died six days after his return to Ohio, but his parents insisted that this was because he suffered through horrific physical torture at the hands of the North Koreans. They said his teeth looked as though “someone had taken a pair of pliers and re-arranged” the bottom row, and said his arms and legs were “totally deformed.”

>But this new reporting refutes that, detailing interviews with everyone from Otto’s post-mortem medical examiner to Joseph Yun, the U.S. special rep for North Korea policy who took office with President Trump. It paints a picture of a devastated young man and a political agenda that intersect to create the story the public is most familiar with today.

>Dr. Michael Flueckiger, who was in charge of removing Otto from North Korean custody, told Clark: “The staff at Friendship Hospital said they received Otto the morning after the trial and that when he came in he was unresponsive,” Dr. Flueckiger said. “They had to resuscitate him, then give him oxygen and put him on a ventilator, or he would die.”

>Yun corroborated this claim, telling Clark: “The doctors were clear that he had been brought to the hospital within a day of his trial, and that he had been in that same room until I saw him.”

>Clark writes that because of the likely timing of Otto’s brain damage, the possibility of attempted suicide is raised.

>“I don’t believe Otto was physically tortured,” Andrei Lankov, director of the Korea Risk Group, told Clark in his office in Seoul. “The campaign to make Otto a symbol of North Korea’s cruelty was psychological preparation to justify military operations.”

http://www.realclearlife.com/daily-brief/investigative-reporter-otto-warmbier-likely-died-of-suicide-attempt-not-north-korean-torture/

https://www.gq.com/story/otto-warmbier-north-korea-american-hostage-true-story


 No.2828049

Can't remember what the video was, does anyone have the documentary of someone actually visiting the DPRK with one of the farmers they meet talking about how everyone receives food based on how much they work/harvest? If I remember they were talking in front of a field of wheat.


 No.2828052

File: ca61e547e4b579a⋯.jpg (69.2 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, ca61e547e4b579a563e3abd06c….jpg)

File: 2968dfb1c1e4c34⋯.jpg (75.16 KB, 964x1037, 964:1037, 37761466_625522387819549_7….jpg)

>>2828049

It was this one:

My Brothers and Sisters in the North

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSd48emp0lI


 No.2828055

File: d16c2a6c0d1f3c7⋯.jpg (106.2 KB, 592x950, 296:475, park yeon mi australia afr….jpg)

File: 5f0e765bc840d0b⋯.png (107.24 KB, 597x584, 597:584, park response to xiangyu.png)

File: d2e7f64572a6118⋯.jpg (97.56 KB, 508x1200, 127:300, D0dnlq4VsAAKSR3.jpg)

File: b303ccd442656ef⋯.jpg (134.23 KB, 752x1199, 752:1199, D0dnmUHU8AAT_xq.jpg)

File: 09cc60bb56e690d⋯.jpg (57.92 KB, 1080x572, 270:143, poisonous_mushroom.jpg)

>>2816200

>lies about DPRK citizens not knowing that Australia and Africa exist

>someone calls out her bullshit

<"lmao why don't you just move to the DPRK"

https://twitter.com/YeonmiParkNK/status/1100481000990277634


 No.2828074

>>2828055

Yeonmi Park's lies are so over the top I believe she's secretly KIM GANG, looking to provide opportunities for grorious e-defenders of the DPRK to step up and disprove her obviously bullshit claims while exposing the media that praises her unwarranted.


 No.2828078

>>2828074

That's a nice idea if it weren't for the fact that people really are brainwashed on the DPRK and eat that shit up anyways.


 No.2828318

File: 1c4b404712e0f1a⋯.png (422.3 KB, 500x715, 100:143, footprint america foot.png)

Would there be any merit in making pro-DPRK videos for American audiences? I was toying with the idea of drawing up some comparisons of America and the DPRK and leaving the audience to draw conclusions (on issues of health care, rights to housing, etc – shit that Burgers will eat up). I have a decent microphone and with a little research I'm sure I could make something decent. Is it worth the time? Is it worth the risk if I want to get into Burger politics one day?

I also had the idea of making 2 to 3 minute long sourced videos on certain topics aimed at normalfags


 No.2828319

>>2828318

>Is it worth the risk if I want to get into Burger politics one day?

You should always consider this, in the sense that you should never give up on the idea that you might be an influential speaker for the left. You shouldn't really give a shit, go there and tell them why North Korea is best Korea.


 No.2828324

>>2828319

I guess you're right, it's not like I'll be lying about the DPRK anyway. In the event that I got flak for truth I'd proudly defend it. I'll keep playing with the idea and see if I can edit footage to look somewhat professional


 No.2828733

File: 85e9fe4d7953105⋯.jpg (190.33 KB, 1200x1092, 100:91, A kemono friends rehash pt….jpg)

>>2828052

Thanks anon


 No.2829202

File: 8e127fdc209031a⋯.png (1.47 MB, 1523x599, 1523:599, ClipboardImage.png)

File: b5049a91598b99c⋯.png (566.04 KB, 564x592, 141:148, ClipboardImage.png)

File: f5930df4315748a⋯.png (2.56 MB, 1754x770, 877:385, ClipboardImage.png)

File: e00237a4fc543d3⋯.png (570.37 KB, 419x885, 419:885, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 5f0bef229aac956⋯.png (855.87 KB, 913x511, 913:511, ClipboardImage.png)

>Juche 108

>still living in a society founded on exploitation

Top kek


 No.2829219

I’ve filed a claim on /juche/. The board was abandoned and never picked up any steam. I have some experience with moderating in the past so if I get the board I’ll start working on the board, giving it a unique look, flags, rules, etc. I’ll post back here if I get it, I think advertising a bit on the lefty boards could do it good


 No.2829233

File: 0a611e5ed53466d⋯.jpg (373.24 KB, 1600x900, 16:9, 170413170520-17-ryomyong-n….jpg)

File: 86fd3638edf05f7⋯.jpg (181.63 KB, 1024x1024, 1:1, 22409866395_f11e833e31_b.jpg)

>>2829202

>university student uniforms

Those look really great although the young men should get them tailored, or get a more flattering cut. The young ladies look amazing in those uniforms. One could imagine how this could instill the subconscious understanding of the equality of sexes under socialism and instill the proper self-confidence and self-assurance of a socialist woman.

The confidence and self-esteem of western women is constantly under assault of advertisement with unattainable beauty standards.


 No.2829248

File: d53ea034fec2e59⋯.jpeg (229.54 KB, 970x1455, 2:3, dprk woman bike.jpeg)

File: 0be494edd11f5e9⋯.jpeg (73.15 KB, 970x646, 485:323, dprk woman.jpeg)

File: 0723f597e37c629⋯.jpeg (154.76 KB, 970x1455, 2:3, woman kim il sung pin.jpeg)

File: 9b47be32bea5d25⋯.jpeg (106.81 KB, 970x646, 485:323, student pyongyang.jpeg)

File: 9e14c602a50c7a3⋯.jpeg (66.67 KB, 970x646, 485:323, hotel worker sinuiju.jpeg)

>>2829233

The women of the DPRK are very fortunate to live in a society absent of the rampant objectification and hypersexualization of capitalism. I only wish the west could have as progressive an attitude towards women as the DPRK does. If I had a daughter I would want her to grow up in a society free of the problems described above and fully protecting her rights.


 No.2830522

Come check out /jucheidea/ for the discussion of the Kim family, Juche and the DPRK. Board is in its early stages so suggestions are welcome!


 No.2831764

File: 23792663ba032a4⋯.jpg (25.4 KB, 650x365, 130:73, 990b625c-5484-44f6-b896-73….jpg)

Bolton warns North Korea of more sanctions if it does not denuclearize

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/03/06/590284/US-North-Korea-john-bolton-

US national security adviser John Bolton warns of tougher sanctions on North Korea if it does not scrap its nuclear weapons program.

Speaking on Fox Business Network Tuesday, Bolton said the United States would see whether Pyongyang was committed to giving up its “nuclear weapons program and everything associated with it.”

However, he said, “If they’re not willing to do it, then I think President Trump has been very clear … they’re not going to get relief from the crushing economic sanctions that have been imposed on them and we’ll look at ramping those sanctions up in fact.”

The new threat came after the second summit between President Donald Trump and the North’s leader Kim Jong-un in Hanoi, Vietnam ended without any agreement late last month.

The summit collapsed over differences on how far Pyongyang was willing to limit its nuclear program and the degree of US eagerness to ease sanctions. Trump abruptly walked away from the talks and held a press conference shortly afterward.


 No.2831800

>>2831764

>implying sanctions hamper the independent stance in the realms of economics and defence of Juche thought

It’s like these morons know nothing about the North. Kim has them dancing in the palm of his hand


 No.2831803

File: 8f98aebe17e8731⋯.jpeg (521.9 KB, 2000x2440, 50:61, 1DFCB823-A080-42B4-93E6-2….jpeg)

KIM, NOOOOO!

Trump would be 'disappointed' in Kim if reports about North Korea launch site true

>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday he would be disappointed in North Korean leader Kim Jong Un if reports about rebuilding at a rocket launch site in North Korea were true.Two U.S. think tanks and South Korea’s Yonhap News Agency reported on Tuesday that work was underway to restore part of North Korea’s Sohae Satellite Launching Station even as Trump met with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un at a second summit in Hanoi last week.

>Satellite images seen by 38 North, a Washington-based North Korea project, showed that structures on the Sohae launch pad had been rebuilt sometime between Feb. 16 and March 2, Jenny Town, managing editor at the project and an analyst at the Stimson Center think tank, told Reuters.

>The Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank released a separate report, also citing satellite imagery, that concluded North Korea was “pursuing a rapid rebuilding” at the site.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-trump/trump-would-be-disappointed-in-kim-if-reports-about-north-korea-launch-site-true-idUSKCN1QN2JF


 No.2832806

File: 604946e71f8e77c⋯.jpg (45.57 KB, 780x438, 130:73, 180517153001-01-donald-tru….jpg)

Full obedience or tougher sanctions: US says N. Korea’s ‘step-by-step’ denuclearization unacceptable

https://www.rt.com/news/453304-north-korea-denuclearization-sanctions/

The US administration will not accept any gradual denuclearization of North Korea, a senior State Department official said, just as John Bolton threatened Pyongyang with tougher sanctions, following the unproductive Hanoi summit.

After threatening to ramp up “crushing economic sanctions,” National Security Advisor John Bolton urged Kim Jong-un to ditch any idea of a step-by-step denuclearization of his country.

“The North Koreans, obviously, would like to give up as little of their nuclear, biological and chemical weapons and ballistic missile programs as they could, in exchange for a very broad sanctions relief,” Bolton told Fox News on Thursday, stressing that Donald Trump “wasn't buying” such an approach during the negotiations at the Hanoi summit last week.

The United States still hopes that Pyongyang will be completely denuclearized before the end of Donald Trump’s term in 2021, a State Department official told reporters, insisting that the incremental approach has been rejected by the administration.


 No.2832815

File: 5b694c5c4de1fee⋯.jpeg (471.84 KB, 1000x1332, 250:333, 6435807B-F694-4FEB-A872-1….jpeg)

>>2832806

Is this the power of US diplomacy? This is a literal farce, the Trump administration seems to have zero clue what Kim means by “denuclearization” and its certainly not what the imperialists think it means. How dumb do they think the North is to give up literally everything that secures Korean socialism in rapid denuclearization in exchange for sanctions relief after the fact?

>plz give up your defences, Kim, you could be an 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧economic powerhouse🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 if you liberalized and joined the international community! Just don’t forget that we fucked over Libya after they gave up their WMD program and unilaterally left the JCPOA!!

What an absolute Chad Kim is. He takes a slow train trip through China, enjoying the scenery before entering Vietnam, pays respects to Ho Chi Minh during his visit, shakes hands with Trump and smiles for the camera, refuses all one-sided agreements, making Trump look like a weakling in the process before heading back home on his train to begin reconstructing his missile site in response. Songun is invincible


 No.2832820

File: 54a9030c6722570⋯.jpg (174.41 KB, 1563x819, 521:273, hoverhand.jpg)

>>2832815

VIRGIN Trump vs. CHAD Kim pls.


 No.2832823

What's the truth about claims that North Koreans believe Kim Jong-il invented the hamburger and never had to use a toilet?


 No.2832833

File: c1f9d387bf50b1c⋯.png (169.49 KB, 2768x1256, 346:157, 7DF47448-F8E5-419E-B5B0-CD….png)

>>2832820

This was from the period where they were shooting missiles off every few weeks

>>2832823

It’s obvious bullshit. Even as a Juchefag I’m not going to deny that’s there’s a major cult of personality around the Kims, but every actual work from the DPRK I’ve read (e.g. from sites like this http://www.korean-books.com.kp) and in their newspapers (Rodong Sinmun, etc) that I regularly it never goes beyond things like massive respect for the leaders, lauding them as great revolutionaries and theorists for formulating Juche and Songun, wearing pins with their faces on it, making songs and statues to them, etc. They’re seen as great men but not gods or kings


 No.2834381

File: 20b37b773c79b4c⋯.jpeg (314.86 KB, 2060x1236, 5:3, 34CE00D7-9A9E-4DE3-9F8A-F….jpeg)

/juche/ is under new leadership, come check it out comrades


 No.2834544

>>2832823

>western propaganda makes us believe things north koreans supposedly believe but actually don't

>they're the brainwashed ones

hmmm…. really makes you think


 No.2835358

File: 6a992ca2f4223c9⋯.jpg (28.12 KB, 560x400, 7:5, 2019-03-11-1-1398-1.jpg)

Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un Takes Part in Election of Deputies to SPA

>Kim Jong Un, chairman of the Workers' Party of Korea, chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and supreme commander of the Korean People's Army, took part in the election of deputies to the 14th Supreme People's Assembly at Sub-constituency No. 40 of Constituency No. 10 on Sunday.

>At 11:00 a.m., Supreme Leader of the Party, state and army Kim Jong Un arrived at the polling station set up in Kim Chaek University of Technology.

>He met with Hong So Hon, president of the university, and Ri Song Uk, chairman of its party committee.

>The teaching staff and students of the university enthusiastically welcomed him, offering the highest glory and warmest greetings.

>He headed toward the polling station, waving back to the voters in acknowledgement.

>He received a vote from the chairman of the election committee at Sub-constituency No. 40 of Constituency No. 10 for the election of deputies to the SPA and cast it for Hong So Hon, a candidate for a deputy to the SPA.

>Talking to Hong, the Supreme Leader said that Kim Chaek University of Technology plays a very important role in all key sectors of socialist economic construction. He gave a pep-talk to him, asking him to work well so that the university could fulfill its responsibility and obligation as the eldest son most trusted by the Party to make a breakthrough in improving science and education, invigorating economy and bettering the standard of the people's living, and as a locomotive leading science, education and economic construction of the country.

>Emphasizing once again the position and importance of the university in building a powerful socialist country, the Supreme Leader clearly indicated the direction and ways for it to follow and conferred a benefit for the education of the university and modernization of its scientific equipment and IT.

http://www.rodong.rep.kp/en/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2019-03-11-0005

https://archive.fo/t8u88


 No.2835714

>>2834544

It's like 1984, a book that talks about itself.


 No.2835907

>>2666049

>When the choice of a woman is

>Entertaining me

>Death by firing squad


 No.2835909

>>2835714

1984 has a book within a book but the book doesn't self reference


 No.2836241

>>2835714

tfw 1984 is actually about the rationing, propaganda and press censorship of britain during WW2


 No.2836246

>>2836241

I mean Orwell was literally subject to state survallience pre and during WWII: his mail used to get opened before he read it. One thing people dont realise about 1984 is that it is much a warning about technology allowing for such a regime than just "totaliterianism bad".


 No.2836252

>>2836246

the technological aspect of 1984 is very mundane, see isaac asimov's review of it

but you can find references of almost everything described in 1984 in orwell's wartime essays, whether it's about mass produced smut, televisions, scarcity of certain goods, unability to get certain things published, sudden shifts in the popular press on geopolitical issues etc.


 No.2836253

>>2836252

Yeah, Orwell's wartime essays are quality: its a shame we dont read them in Lit at school tbh.

Also ive seen it said fhat 1984 is how he thought WWII would end-up with: the nazis being so hard to beat that it would require the western allies to become totalitarian states to do so. Thus you get Oceania (which is the british empire plus the americas really). Obs the neobolsheviks are meant to be permanant war communism and Eastasia is what Japan/the ROC would become. I mean it makes sense from his time. In a world without nukes permanant war seems likely.


 No.2836265

Why did the DPRK not wage a geurilla campaign in the South like Vietnam did? I remember hearing about how Kim Il Sung met with Ho Chi Minh to discuss geurilla tactics as a means to liberate the South.


 No.2836274

>>2836265

Actually between 1946-53 there was an active pro-Communist insurgency in SK lead by the "Civic" or "Domestic Faction" of the WPK: which was mostly made-up of anti-Japanese resistance members in Korea itself (as opposed to Kim in Manchuria, the Chinese Yan'an faction, or the "Moscow" faction).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_Party_of_South_Korea

They were repressed by the Americans before the war, although still undertook operations during the War to a pretty effective degree. After the war they had been severely weakened, and the final blow came when Kim purged the Domestic Faction from the WPK in 1953.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Workers%27_Party_of_Korea#Purge_of_the_%22Domestic_faction%22

WIthout Kim's purge, it is perfectly possible that an anti-Rhee guerilla movement like the Vietcong could have developed.


 No.2836282

>>2836253

Isn't part of the premise of 1984's world that the nuclear superpowers are unable to attack eachother and instead of just bicker in conventional warfare in their periphery?

Honestly the more I think about it in retrospect the worse 1984 seems.


 No.2836290

>>2836274

>WIthout Kim's purge, it is perfectly possible that an anti-Rhee guerilla movement like the Vietcong could have developed.

That's gonna be a big oof from me fam, talk about a big fuck up. We could have embarrassed the US in Asia three times in the span of 30 years.


 No.2836294

>>2836290

I mean it would have been a lot harder since there wouldn't have been jungle to run a "Kim Il-Sung trail" through, and the Southern cells had taken a hard hit but yeah.


 No.2836296

>>2836290

>>2836294 (me)

Also the Yan'an faction (which was purged in '56) were a bunch of Maoists with experience of the Chinese civil war so NK may have had an advantage in the sense of having people experienced in fighting as mountain guerillas.

But yeah, Kim took a taste of that sweet sweet factionalism and nothing ever satisfied him again.


 No.2837075

https://twitter.com/Megankstack/status/1105726925266280448?s=19

CIA abducted North Korean embassy stuff in Spain


 No.2837410

File: 7a6ab3621c8f8ed⋯.jpg (187.93 KB, 1710x660, 57:22, Kim Il Sung on eliminating….jpg)

>>2836265

They did attempt this in the 60s, but it largely failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_DMZ_Conflict

>>2836296

The Soviet Korean and Ya'nan factions allied in an attempt to overthrow Kim Il Sung. Pulling shit like that will generally get you purged.


 No.2837482

>>2837075

This happened back in February and apparently was a joint operation with worst korean intelligence services, since the men identified as the perps are described as koreans in the spanish piece of El Pais.

Apparently, they were looking for some info about Kim Hyok Chol, previously the ambassador of the DPRK in Spain.

>Kim Hyok Chol, who was declared persona non grata by Spain and was invited to leave the country before the end of the month, is currently one of Kim Jong-un’s highly trusted diplomats, and one of the architects of the failed nuclear summit between US President Donald Trump and Kim Jon-un in Vietnam. The meeting, aimed at securing North Korea’s nuclear disarmament, ended in failure without any agreement on a timetable for disarmament or on future negotiations.

>In February, Kim Hyok Chol also led the North Korean delegation that negotiated a nuclear disarmament plan with US special envoy Stephen Biegun in exchange for sanctions to be lifted.

https://web.archive.org/save/https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/03/13/inenglish/1552464196_279320.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20190313192727/https://elpais.com/politica/2019/03/12/actualidad/1552422470_906307.html?id_externo_rsoc=TW_CC (Spanish)


 No.2837603

>>2837075

Better article on it: https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/03/13/inenglish/1552464196_279320.html

>CIA implicated in attack on North Korean embassy in Madrid

Someone should archive this because I can't rn.


 No.2837644

What interests, exactly, does America/South Korea/the West have in dispersing misinformation against the DPRK? Is it to justify an invasion or regime overthrow by sanctions? Why are they putting so much energy into sanctions if they don't work all that well and only need a small justification, and why prepare for war if they probably couldn't win?


 No.2837717

>>2837644

all the reasons you mentioned plus dissuading other countries from trading with them and hindering their tourism industry


 No.2837810

>>2837644

>sanctions don't work all that well

That's actually another lie peddled by hawks.


 No.2837820

File: 3c058ce528fe233⋯.mp4 (890.39 KB, 400x400, 1:1, soy_zombies.mp4)

>>2837810

Hey look it's an antifa faggot. They are easy to knock unconscious IRL if I recall correctly.


 No.2837823

>>2837644

America's goal is to prevent DPRK from becoming a regional geopolitical rival. It was once an economic powerhouse and it could be again if the sanctions are lifted, and if that happened the US would start to lose control over South Korea and Japan. As long as the DPRK remains weak and isolated it isn't really a problem. Collapsing the country for a regime change would just be a nice bonus.


 No.2837827

>>2837820

The fact you rightwing faggots are so blatantly scared by a limpdicked halfassed antifa movement is an endless source of amusement to me


 No.2837833

File: abbb817a4f2b369⋯.png (695.6 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, it's afraid.png)

>>2837827

So you finally admit that ANTIFA is a bunch of limpdick half-assed fuck ups? Alright. Not bad.


 No.2837855

File: 2dfe2c3757f6ac0⋯.webm (311.84 KB, 294x240, 49:40, dealing with fascists 101.webm)

>>2837833

Only in US.


 No.2837863

>>2837833

And yet you're the one scared of them.


 No.2837875

File: 0b9d02b252a814a⋯.jpg (230.64 KB, 1500x900, 5:3, 280.jpg)

>>2837871

You can stop projecting any time.


 No.2842599

File: 467798328a39740⋯.png (49.88 KB, 451x503, 451:503, 2019 dprk election.png)

>>2835358

Apparently Kim Jong Un did not participate as an SPA candidate this time.


 No.2842922

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ZkqfSpbg4

Wow so terrible. North Korea denying Hiroshima and Nagasaki, claiming they won World War II, spying on people, brutally arresting them within seconds of even daring to call the country a "shithole", and pretending that the world cared about their wrestling event when really nobody did. How sad, it seems the DPRK is predicated on lies, corruption, and deceit after all.


 No.2842953

>>2842922

It's really strange how the majority of north koreans can be so brainwashed and believe all those outrageous claims they're being told by their government. Just critically thinking for a second should make it clear to anyone that it's all highly unlikely and they're being lied to.


 No.2842969

>>2842599

>>2835358

Whi is the DPRK still having bourgeois political party elections? Is this meant as a PR show directed as so-called democratic states like the USA? Because if it is, it's counter-productive as no one will ever believe in it (in regards to active propaganda against the DPRK).


 No.2842976

>>2842953

They raise them from birth to believe in the propaganda and enforce it with super-strict punishments. It's like religion; people laugh it off in adulthood but if they are raised from childhood to believe in it unquestioningly then they will obey. Even better their god is right in front of them and delivers very real, very visceral punishments. Their evil regime is making them believe all this weird BS while hiding the truth about everything from them to keep them in chains.


 No.2843210

File: ef984ba2fcadc48⋯.jpg (177.49 KB, 1280x1706, 640:853, 1280px-Liberation_Monument….JPG)

>>2842922

>denying Hiroshima and Nagasaki

They show it in official documentaries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Klm9tUEpM4

>claiming they won WW2 on their own

Their official history books mention the role of the Soviet Army and there are monuments to Soviet soldiers in the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Monument


 No.2843233

File: 7d0e5e9cfe1d5e3⋯.png (449.38 KB, 480x978, 80:163, kim jong il golf.png)

>>2842953

Ah yes, those "outrageous claims" which they don't even actually make.


 No.2843354

I dreamt I was in the DPRK last night. Had a pink car I was driving around the airport because I took a wrong turn. I was trying to find a flight to Pyongyang. Korea was beautiful and full of friendly people.


 No.2843367

>>2842969

The elections aren't bourgeois. All these parties are part of an united front, just like East Germany had it. Do you think the GDR had bourgeois elections?


 No.2843379

>>2837855

What is the contex of this video?


 No.2843385

>>2684761

I don't like this, why did Un invite the head of pedophile church to his country?


 No.2843390

>>2843379

Two Golden Dawn (Greek fascist party) members were eliminated in 2013. A previously unknown anti-fascist group claimed responsibility and this was their only claimed action.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Neo_Irakleio_Golden_Dawn_office_shooting


 No.2843440

File: 3a720f1f5ec5c9a⋯.png (84.68 KB, 491x942, 491:942, koreadivisionandtruth37-39.png)

File: 78b569f22980643⋯.pdf (623.35 KB, Koreas Division and Its Tr….pdf)

File: 68b87e11fd2048f⋯.png (77.71 KB, 492x895, 492:895, koreanquestionandusfsk12-1….png)

File: 364b21a26c2abc9⋯.pdf (327.91 KB, Korean Question and USFSK.pdf)

>>2843210

From their official history books


 No.2843447

>>2843367

But why do they need differents parties? Isn't Leninism arguing against this? Why allowing a "social-democratic" party? Party rules over parlementarism is often counter-productive.


 No.2843679

File: 91713e3ecbcb957⋯.png (2.4 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Untitled.png)

>>2829248

look at this cutie


 No.2843682

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizens

North Korea stealing people in order to compensate for their own inadequacies, very, very sad. What a bunch of terrorists they are.


 No.2843747

>>2843682

That's because the DPRK is so poor their population keeps starving all the time, so they need to replace them in some way.


 No.2843883

>>2843747

This porky even deserve gulag, deserve bullet.


 No.2844283

File: 854f70932e31591⋯.jpg (41.8 KB, 660x371, 660:371, _106002250_052646646.jpg)

Trump's CIA agents caught in North Korean embassy break-in in Madrid

A Spanish newspaper alleges that the CIA worked in tandem with South Korean intelligence to execute the crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtLXM3sD1NA

Spain investigates possible CIA links to embassy break-in

Spanish intelligence officials believe at least two of the 10 attackers who broke into the North Korean embassy in Madrid last month, holding staff hostage and making off with computers, are linked to the CIA, according to a report in El País.

Police and Spain’s national intelligence centre (CNI) are investigating the unusual robbery, which took place on 22 February in the west of the capital.

The online newspaper El Confidencial, which broke the news of the raid, reported that the group of men tied up and threatened staff, fleeing only after a woman managed to free herself and raise the alarm.

Through an interpreter, she told the police: “A group of men came into the embassy and has gagged the staff.”

El Confidencial said a police officer dispatched to the embassy was told everything was fine by a man who answered the door, but moments later, “the gates swung open … and two high-end cars came out at great speed, leaving the area within seconds”.

On Wednesday, El País said Spanish investigators had studied CCTV footage of the intruders, questioned embassy staff and examined the cars used in the getaway.

“Although most of the [attackers] were Korean, at least two of them have been identified by Spanish intelligence services as having links to the US CIA,” it said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/13/spain-investigates-possible-cia-links-to-north-korea-embassy-break-in-madrid


 No.2847961

>Kim Jong Un left off list of officials elected to 14th Supreme People’s Assembly

https://www.nknews.org/2019/03/kim-jong-un-left-off-list-of-officials-elected-to-14th-supreme-peoples-assembly/

Can someone explain the significance of this?


 No.2847993

Zizek recent remarks on NK: https://youtu.be/MTtwrqtBI00?t=3995


 No.2848028

>>2847993

let me guess

>sniff they are both worse

>dprk is fascist but what if that's ok???

>tramp is accelerationist

fuck zizek


 No.2848033

>>2847993

this made me very sad do i trust zizek or respected supreme leader great comrade un?

I cant tell. Zizek is very charismatic, but dprk has those musical females and i have always believed music can not be faked.


 No.2848644

>>2848033

Who knows who are this people who approach him to do a talk in NK. Plus Zizek is not to be trusted, always with that gulag talk, stalinist control and so on.


 No.2848776

File: 12904d584cbd397⋯.png (191.9 KB, 1187x863, 1187:863, Peoples Republic of Korea2.png)

File: c2226e4e47bb17d⋯.png (507.61 KB, 1080x1040, 27:26, korean genocide 1950 1953.png)

File: 6b374036f62d207⋯.png (1.54 MB, 1202x1080, 601:540, MacArthur korean war.png)

File: fd3d869ea7fc53e⋯.jpg (79.65 KB, 732x785, 732:785, kim il sung on anti war am….jpg)

File: e2bf6c45b5391b2⋯.jpg (51.47 KB, 540x333, 60:37, kim jong il on americans.jpg)

>>2848770

Why shouldn't they hate the US government? It is the same entity behind the sanctions undermining their agricultural output.

And no, this is not extended to the people.


 No.2849099

>>2824482

Kim should really consider gastric bypass for his own health and image.


 No.2849348

>>2847961

pls respond ;_;


 No.2849370

>>2849099

My life goal is to give KJU a big fat hug


 No.2849464

File: 0184ee67a72eab6⋯.jpg (180.41 KB, 1024x565, 1024:565, 1541834897756.jpg)

>>2706617

>Attack Japan

Kek


 No.2849586

>>2843746

Great work. If this is OC, please make more.


 No.2849589

Any comrades here know anything about the DPRK's drug laws? Is it true drugs of all kinds are legal?


 No.2849883

File: 9e32020a1455f3f⋯.png (11.13 KB, 654x523, 654:523, luxembourg.png)

>>2823944

Going to second this anon's confusion.


 No.2849911

>>2849883

Luxembourg produces fucking what again?

I compared them to the county I live in and I guess it works out in terms of land area, population.


 No.2850087

>>2849608

Thanks. Any info on their policy towards psychedelics?


 No.2850089

how many work free days does a nomral worker have in the DPRK


 No.2855380

Does anyone have that pic of the Korean peninsula from space where it actually shows North Korea lit up?


 No.2855520

File: eca0d5b10286839⋯.jpg (59.47 KB, 612x816, 3:4, korea from space.jpg)

>>2855380

found it


 No.2855808

>>2855532

There's a common satellite picture taken right after the collapse of the USSR. Perhaps you are thinking of that.


 No.2855813

>>2855520

>>2855532

>>2855380

Sorry to break it to ya lads but it is actually a fake.


 No.2855902

>>2855813

source needed


 No.2855919

>>2855813

Yeah seconding that, hit me with that spicy source motherfucker.


 No.2857521

File: 2b4c22ffa5787c4⋯.jpg (2.83 MB, 1068x3468, 89:289, question of leadership.jpg)

File: 2f2608d88f9a325⋯.png (43.76 KB, 619x476, 619:476, dprk holidays.png)

>>2849348

>>2847961

Each leader of the DPRK has had less power than the previous leader. Kim Il Sung was the President of the Republic, and after his death, the powers of the President were divided among the National Defence Commission, the Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly which became head of state, and the Premier of the Cabinet which became head of government. Kim Jong Il was head of the NDC. He was not head of state or head of government, but rather the head of the party and the army. With the 2016 Constitution, the NDC was replaced by the State Affairs Comission which has mostly civilian members and over which the leader has less authority. Now with the 2019 SPA election, the leader no longer has a seat in the SPA which is a continuation of this process.

>>2850089

15 days a year not counting national holidays and Sundays.


 No.2859089

Does someone have any sources on the democratic socialist system implemented in North Korea?


 No.2860080

>North Korean defectors like Yeonmi Park don't lie but instead on occasion have poor memories due to the trauma they faced

How do you refute this?


 No.2860086

File: c9733e41371b02c⋯.pdf (10.34 MB, Socialist Korea Monthly Re….pdf)

File: 094e0574bf9e8f6⋯.jpeg (1.2 MB, 1280x1800, 32:45, jo kil nyo.jpeg)

>>2859089

Socialist Korea: A Case Study in the Strategy of Economic Development

pdf related

Also:

>Socialism and Democracy in the DPRK

https://writetorebel.com/2017/03/28/socialism-and-democracy-in-the-dprk/

>Elections in the “socialist motherland”: democracy in the DPRK

https://leftistcritic.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/elections-in-the-socialist-motherland-democracy-in-the-dprk/

>>2860080

>false memory of there being "only one channel on TV'

>false memory of seeing someone executed for watching a western film when in reality they literally show dubbed western films on national TV

>false memory of there being no natural history museums or art museums in DPRK when there are dozens across the country

>false memory of DPRK citizens not knowing about Australia or Africa despite national media mentioning them and world maps featuring these continents

It seems like more than just "poor memory". Not to mention that she actually claims the contradictions were due to a "language barrier", yet inconsistencies in her story are so great that it can't be just that.


 No.2860136

>>2754836

My man looking British as hell


 No.2860141

>>2825386

>AA gun for execution

Bullshit


 No.2860285

>>2860080

>How do you refute delusion?

Why the fuck should I care? If people want to stay in their fantasy world where they acknowledge defectors don't keep their story straight but still speak the truth then there's nothing I can do.


 No.2860290

File: e51d3284159af5a⋯.jpg (284.94 KB, 1024x669, 1024:669, dprk film poster.jpg)

File: d9bdd90ed9b917d⋯.png (254.96 KB, 800x606, 400:303, western movies dprk.png)

>>2860266

That is what was reported by an American who taught computer science at a DPRK university.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ucl11/iama_american_who_spent_the_fall_teaching/

They also show dubbed Soviet films and international football matches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edKDpK5Yh3Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXAlpv5tS3g

There's also an international film festival held in Pyongyang every two years. The vast majority of viewers are DPRK citizens and the majority of films screened are foreign films.

http://www.pyongyanginternationalfilmfestival.com/

http://www.thatsmags.com/shanghai/post/15016/a-guide-to-the-15th-pyongyang-international-film-festival


 No.2860294

File: 5874dfcc0a04ac0⋯.jpg (150.13 KB, 852x1280, 213:320, ceb power cut schedule.jpg)

File: d2d9a0359a42939⋯.jpg (63.68 KB, 850x400, 17:8, quote-they-talk-about-the-….jpg)

>>2855532

>tfw I have dealt with this for the past month but it's the DPRK which the the "failure" for being denied oil and fuel to keep its lights on


 No.2860752

An important new video made by Tubusshow

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VFx4rxMYEg

This detailed self-made documentary goes over the Jeju massacre (1949-1954) in which, citizens of the island of Jeju, protesting against the South Korean government instigating war and selling out to the USA. The result was a brutal massacre of unspeakable horrors that make even the tortures of the Holocaust pale in comparison. I suggest watching this video with auto-translate CC or if you are able, write an English CC for the video, it is singlehandedly one of the most condemning occurrences under capitalism.


 No.2861175

File: 5832bdb6c8a2096⋯.jpg (7.39 KB, 271x186, 271:186, hillary.jpg)

File: fcfc44f3db1b6d6⋯.png (45.05 KB, 400x400, 1:1, dprk-flag_400x400.png)

"DPRK News Service" on Twitter is run by a Hillary supporter.

https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/1116393226796261376


 No.2861189

>>2861175

I hate this autistic type of humour these people have


 No.2861201

File: 7e21426250a57ae⋯.png (26.03 KB, 381x280, 381:280, serious_spurdo.png)

>>2861189

Was it supposed to be funny at all?


 No.2863753

File: d7eccd2c7a2a626⋯.jpg (152.01 KB, 997x1440, 997:1440, 20745945_760971357442985_2….jpg)


 No.2863756


 No.2863867

>>2863753

>tfw there are people who seem to unironically believe that nothing normal ever happens in your country unless it is staged for a camera or the eyes of a foreign visitor


 No.2870168

File: c2abc3251ee07d8⋯.jpg (184.14 KB, 1300x956, 325:239, pyongyang-13th-sep-2016-ph….jpg)

Bumping so all the /pol/acks who came here from the debate can get redpilled on DPRK


 No.2870271

File: d3400cfb1707153⋯.jpg (52.36 KB, 616x368, 77:46, ´Espinas-y-rosas´-vida-de-….jpg)


 No.2871237

File: 6cfa946ef4c0fcb⋯.jpg (256.85 KB, 1411x2034, 1411:2034, 44390068 179745492953593 2….jpg)

WPK’s political line remains steadfast

>The Workers’ Party of Korea reaffirmed that it is its political line to build a socialist power under the uplifted banner of self-reliance at the Fourth Plenary Meeting of the Seventh Party Central Committee on April 10.

>At the meeting WPK Chairman Kim Jong Un said that self-reliance and independent national economy are the basis of the existence of Korean-style socialism, the dynamic of its progress and development and the eternal lifeline deciding the future of the revolution.

>The decades-long course of the Korean revolution can rightly be claimed to be the history of overcoming the multitudes of trials and ordeals by dint of self-reliance.

>The spirit of self-reliance which was created in the period of the anti-Japanese revolutionary struggle has always served as the banner of struggle and driving force of great leaps forward during the whole periods of several stages of social revolution and socialist construction.

>The Korean people did not rely on others but built a new society by their own efforts after Korea’s liberation from Japanese military rule under which the country was reduced to poverty and backwardness, and after the Korean war during which the country was reduced to ashes.

>In the period of the Chollima leap forward the DPRK made lorries, tractors, bulldozers, excavators and electric locomotives by its own efforts and achieved socialist industrialization in a matter of 14 years.

>It laid the solid foundations of an independent national economy by relying on its strength, technology and natural resources and built a socialist state which is independent in politics, self-sufficient in the economy and self-reliant in defence.

>In the vortex of complicated world politics the DPRK held higher the banner of self-reliance and self-development to push ahead with the programme of making the national economy Juche-based, modern, informatized and scientific, establishing the Juche iron, fibre and fertilizer production systems one after another.

>It also grasped space technology based on its own brains and made marked progress in the field of science and technology including core, basic technologies even under the decades-long blockade imposed by the hostile forces.

>The Korean people have made phenomenal achievements by bringing about a great upsurge and leap forward in production under the banner of self-reliance and self-sufficiency in recent years after the Seventh Congress of the Workers’ Party of Korea.

>Their will to solve all problems by their own efforts gets firmer with the passage of time and as the situations and conditions change.

>The DPRK has an independent national economy unaffected by the outside world, a powerful army of scientific and technical personnel and abundant natural resources.

>They serve as a reliable guarantee for the country to solve all problems arising in building a powerful socialist country by its own efforts.

>It is the unanimous desire of the Korean people to compete with the world by making continuous innovations in their own development mode with pride in their efforts and creations and high self-esteem.

>They will create a new history of bringing prosperity by holding higher the banner of self-reliance.

http://www.pyongyangtimes.com.kp/?bbs=29809

https://archive.is/a4Qq0


 No.2871429

File: e8e33dbbe01620d⋯.jpeg (98.73 KB, 960x960, 1:1, jaka parker.jpeg)

>>2871297

People who are actually live in or work in the DPRK (not just visiting) don't have any guards or minders following them. A lot of anti-DPRK propagandists like to claim tourists are restricted in their movements and can't see every part of the country, or that everything tourists see is faked. But there is no way that such a deception would work for foreign workers and students. If there was such a conspiracy to make the country look better than it actually is, they would have exposed it a long time ago.

Jaka Parker, an Indonesian embassy worker who lived in DPRK from 2012 to 2018 has uploaded many videos from the DPRK:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzvCf_q10UZkUJE0lOav0ag

Also reminder that the DPRK sends doctors around the world just like Cuba does.

>N. Korea to send 30 doctors to Angola

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2016/04/485_203038.html

>Three North Korean doctors killed by suspected Islamists in Nigeria

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/10/south-korea-doctors-nigeria-killed


 No.2871731

>>2870168

>that pic

fuck, don't eat the corn kim!


 No.2871824

>>2871429

>Guardian URL mentions south korea

what the fuck


 No.2872578

>>2871824

They probably assumed they were south koreans, then changed the headline afterwards.


 No.2872719

>>2711700

If he was so against chauvinism, why is North Korea so chauvinistic today?


 No.2872766

File: 8f7678bedbd7137⋯.png (50.94 KB, 1037x266, 1037:266, dresnok wife and children.png)

File: e90433dcde304e2⋯.jpeg (54.44 KB, 636x382, 318:191, dresnok.jpeg)

>>2872719

It isn't really. The nationalism in the DPRK is as he described it. It is similar to the socialist patriotism of other socialist states and in no way promotes racial or ethnic supremacism.

Anti-DPRK propaganda is filled with tales of them supposedly "banning race mix!ng", however there is no proof of this and there are several counter examples.

There's also a book titled The Cleanest Race which claims that the DPRK is secretly Korean supremacist and is hiding this from the rest of the world. But the author has to resort to mistranslating the word for "nation" as "race" and retarded speculation about the supposed hidden meaning of propaganda posters to come to this conclusion.


 No.2872842

>>2872766

I've seen documentaries where the DPRK officials got super pissed at the camera crew for sitting near a statue. Also a bunch of people were cured of eye problems by doctors brought into DPRK but they all had to praise glory to the dear leader when they were healed and not the doctors… I am familiar with a lot of the antiDPRK propaganda but I think its undoubtedly chauvinistic.


 No.2874703

File: 09eccdcbc9c7856⋯.png (162.43 KB, 971x937, 971:937, 2289007.png)

>>2872842

A lot of those documentaries are selectively edited, filled with distortions and made to push an anti-DPRK narrative.

These ones are much better:

>My Brothers and Sisters in the North:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSd48emp0lI

>Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktE_3PrJZO0


 No.2874704

File: 02e23925470b273⋯.png (364.42 KB, 521x486, 521:486, choe deok sin.png)


 No.2874708

File: 0716512fd08a84a⋯.mp4 (2.9 MB, 822x360, 137:60, OClHsR_WGwIwpLQ8.mp4)

File: 37609a71451a301⋯.jpg (155.47 KB, 980x551, 980:551, 5cc14480dda4c8895f8b45f5.jpg)

> Leaders of Russia and North Korea sat down for a historic summit in Vladivostok, expressing hope it will revive the peace process in the Korean Peninsula and talks on normalizing relations with the US.

>The summit on Russky Island, just off Vladivostok, started a little late because President Vladimir Putin’s flight was delayed. North Korean leader Kim Jong-un had made the trip by train, arriving on Wednesday.

>In brief public remarks before the talks, the two leaders expressed hope the summit will help move forward the reconciliation process in the Korean Peninsula. Putin welcomed Kim’s contributions to “normalizing relations” with the US and opening a dialogue with South Korea.

https://www.rt.com/news/457477-kim-putin-normalize-relations/


 No.2878747

File: 9feeaf4232f33da⋯.jpg (26.97 KB, 389x271, 389:271, 1 (2).jpg)

BUMP


 No.2880421

File: 8bf94a4bbe0ccbe⋯.jpg (32.94 KB, 600x623, 600:623, 58751201_637327966693727_4….jpg)


 No.2881660

File: ca982b325e49e86⋯.png (190.15 KB, 480x365, 96:73, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.2881666

Anti-imperialism aside, why does /leftypol/ support North Korea?


 No.2881669

>>2881666

I'm not trying to be malicious by any means, I'm just curious as to why there's a north korea general and not a Cuban one.


 No.2881670

>>2881669

I mean, I support Cuba too, but for some reason most American leftists are pretty good on Cuba, but hate the DPRK.


 No.2881682

>>2881666

Because it's socialist


 No.2881717

>>2881666

because its socialist

>>2881669

cuba's not in the news as often. also there have been cuba generals. the DPRK just requires more refutations.


 No.2882112


 No.2882120

>>2881682

if the DPRK is socialist then China is socialist, hell even Norway is fucking socialist


 No.2882153

>>2882120

>He hasn't researched the DPRK's economy


 No.2882171

>>2816585

>They are self sufficient in most things besides oil and fuel and modern construction materials and small appliances and light machinery and heavy machinery and pretty much anything regarding electronics, optoelectronics etc before assembly and computer aided production

Fixed that for you. Stop being delusional.

Even the machines in their showcase shoes factories are just old stuff imported from China and they openly admitt that.

inb4

>muh old Chinese assembly line and packaging photo set from JVs! amazing!


 No.2882328

File: d2c1e8f1343a814⋯.png (206.32 KB, 691x883, 691:883, pyongyang pharmaceutical.png)

>>2882171

>muh total dependence on China

Earlier in the thread it was shown that trade with China was 18 percent of their GDP and now it is even lower at around 9 percent, as China participates in and votes for sanctions.

https://www.northkoreaintheworld.org/china-dprk/total-trade

>they openly admitt that.

When and where?


 No.2882332

File: 1ed4a8b39e24d78⋯.png (247.17 KB, 688x798, 344:399, footwear production goes u….png)

>>2882328

Self reliance is improved day by day


 No.2883056

>>2882328

>>2882332

>went full muh old Chinese assembly line

>muh GDP

Do you just parrot what some official dprk prospect tells you without using your brain? All the electronics and most industrial machines North Korea has received trough China, but never should have had under the sanctions regime, never even registered in your trade and economic stats and continue to do so. Just like Kims fleet of Mercedes limousines was never imported.

You know where all the monitors, keyboards, mouses, phones, the god fucking chairs they are sitting on, any delicate laboratory equipment, the solar panels, CAM modules, industrial fans etc depicted and mentioned in your

>look we selfreliant but not really

pictures come from from?

Protip: Not North Korea

And are you unironically impressed with the stuff you cherrypicked? Do you even realize they are just desperately using overly bloated technobabel to impress completely clueless people?

5 sentences to point out the fact they have rudimentary R&D facilities and research going on?

"Invention" of a polyvinyl chlorid synthesis with supercritical carbon dioxide? Do you even know what that is? Thats PVC. Plastic. High temp and high pressure CO2 as a blowing agent. Blowing CO2 at PVC foam was invented and industrialized in the very early 90s. Liquifying the gas has been around the last decade. Its just oldschool plastic soles.

Crafting a fricking industrial mixer. I can guess where the motor, and controll panel was manifactured,

Installing Made in China solar panels on a bath?

Everything they actually point to have built themself is just crude handcrafts or assembling stuff made in China.

Im not even asking for semiconductor wafer or diode or PCB factories to make all those computers and screens they are using. Show me a factory that produces some basic capacitator and resistors to build a simple switch on the level of the Soviet Union in the 50s to turn on the conveyor belt on your assembly line. Show me a factory building electric motors outside a JV to run it. Show me a lab producing lenses outside a JV to make a camera to take photos of it. Im not even sure if they even produce their own lightbulbs outside of JVs.

You talk stuff about selfsufficiency then drop a pile of things North Koreans made or are trying to do that relies entirely on supply of parts and devices and machinery from China.


 No.2883448

Anyone has any pdfs/Epubs on north korean lit or studies on north korean lit?


 No.2883622


 No.2883817

File: 28fa95836131ae7⋯.png (7.52 KB, 331x331, 1:1, 28f.png)

>>2883056

>everything they have is made in China or the components of it are made in China and smuggled in

Proofs?


 No.2883836


 No.2884484

>>2883836

>>2883622

Thank you anon(s)

By any chance would you know where I could find the works of authors like Han Sorya and the like?


 No.2886146

File: b1e20c550f186fd⋯.jpg (55.42 KB, 720x784, 45:49, 59832031_619688175178496_6….jpg)

what the hell does she think ads are


 No.2886154

>>2886146

There is no ads, just ads.


 No.2886167

File: 53d4d96275f927a⋯.jpg (46.04 KB, 700x394, 350:197, 38664815_303.jpg)

File: 253a926471defef⋯.jpg (142.82 KB, 1000x666, 500:333, C9RCjjzU0AEb3v0.jpg)

File: 9de35cd12a08997⋯.jpg (120.66 KB, 1000x666, 500:333, C9RCk-pUAAE-6HD.jpg)

File: 7fa34ac08faa8af⋯.jpg (117.33 KB, 1000x666, 500:333, C9RCmmZVYAABG7-.jpg)

File: ec0d0f4e656558f⋯.jpg (115.23 KB, 1000x666, 500:333, C9RCpoLUAAAvtP6.jpg)

>>2886157

Her idea of "liberty and justice" includes capitalist propaganda signs (ads) being displayed everywhere instead of nice artwork.


 No.2886416

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/09/us/politics/wise-honest-north-korea-ship-seized.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

U.S. has seized a North Korean shipping vessel for violating U.S. sanctions. It was carrying coal. Apparently they've never done that before?


 No.2886477

>>2886416

I FUCKING HATE THE USA SO MUCH, ONE DAY THESE CRIMINAL BANDITS WILL BE PUNISHED


 No.2887131

>>2886157

The opposite of propaganda is investigative journalism, not advertisement.

Advertisement isn't all that different from propaganda. Given how in your face, and omnipresent corporate advertisement can be, it certainly doesn't seem any less totalising.


 No.2887143

>>2886157

>there are no ads

>this is somehow a bad thing

how does she not even realise the pure, brainwashed stupidity of what she is saying? fuck yeonmi park and her ever changing sob story. every time someone confronts her bullshit she falls back on excuses or outright avoidance of the question and resorting to "if u like nk so much why dont u go there???". imagine being such a traitorous scumbag that you promote sanctioning and intervention against your own people for money, while having the gaul to say that you are only doing what is in the korean's best interests?


 No.2887175

>>2886167

I NEED MY ADS REEEEEEEEEEEE COMMIE SCUM

>>2886416

What are some good sites again that let you bypass paywalls?


 No.2887188


 No.2887196


 No.2887243

>>2886477

Clam your self, this doesn't mean they loose the ability to have blockade runners, it just means they have to pay for running their ships under somebody else's flag


 No.2887254

>>2763663

nazbol gang assemble!


 No.2894251

File: 7ef578ed8a134c8⋯.jpg (247.23 KB, 1910x1273, 1910:1273, 105914372-1557922677185rtx….jpg)

North Korea urges UN chief to address ship seizure by ‘gangster’ US

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/18/north-korea-urges-un-chief-to-address-ship-seizure-by-gangster-us.html

North Korea has asked United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres to deal with the “illegal” seizure of one of its cargo ships by the United States, state media said on Saturday.

“This act of dispossession has clearly indicated that the United States is indeed a gangster country that does not care at all about international laws,” the North Korean ambassador to the United Nations said in a letter sent to Guterres dated Friday, according to North Korea’s KCNA news agency.

Pyongyang’s protest to the United Nations over the seizure comes amid mounting tensions since a second summit between North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and U.S. President Donald Trump, aimed at bringing about the denuclearization of the North, broke down in Hanoi in February.

The letter also called for “urgent measures” by Guterres and claimed that Washington infringed the North’s sovereignty and violated U.N. charters.

With the denuclearization talks stalled, North Korea went ahead with more weapons tests this month. The tests were seen as a protest by Kim after Trump rejected his calls for sanctions relief at the Hanoi summit.

North Korea has said the ship seizure violated the spirit of the summit and demanded the return of the vessel without delay.


 No.2894254

>>2894251

They should seize Guam and another ditzy college student in return.


 No.2894278

>>2894251

>>2894254

how about they take back their ship


 No.2894282

File: 6991f1e95d5d5ad⋯.jpg (256.43 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, mbelzak-20130808185135.jpg)

File: e7738e1057f0266⋯.jpg (514.26 KB, 684x1024, 171:256, amazing_photo_of_qwest_fie….jpg)

File: e33cd56db9e9346⋯.jpg (653.36 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, Estadio_Azteca_07b.jpg)

File: 74fc464e1aaaf90⋯.jpg (107.32 KB, 900x542, 450:271, tottenham_hotspur_stadium_….jpg)

>>2726885

God, that's an awful stadium design. The upper deck is so far back that all the folks in the nosebleeds would need a telescope to see anything. The accoustics are directed straight upward. The field is a goddamn city block away from the stands. The scoreboard is hardly even visible. There are no standing room areas, no club seating for large parties, no bleachers, no pit for the die-hards, no open-air bars for the casuals, no cabanas–it's like one of those early-twentieth century college stadiums.

Good stadiums make everyone feel like they are right on top of the action, not mere casual observers. The fans who are screaming and chanting in the upper decks know that they are being heard, and the guys down below feel like they are surrounded by energy. There are options for how a fan wishes to experience the event, and he can move quickly and freely from one distinct area to another. If he wants to paint himself in team colors and wave banners there is a place for that. If he wants to get drunk and shout himself hoarse then there is a place for that. If he wants to chill with his buddies and eat friend food while discussing the intricacies of the game there is a place for that. If he wants to bring the whole family and enjoy the spectacle there is even a place for that. Big uniform bowls just do not offer that.


 No.2900407

File: c0174cf8b824517⋯.mp4 (3.44 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Choe Ryong Hae Meets Deleg….mp4)

File: 459e354f144978c⋯.jpg (55.25 KB, 400x298, 200:149, 2019-05-25-0008-1.jpg)

>Choe Ryong Hae, member of the Presidium of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea, first vice-chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the DPRK and president of the Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly, met and had a talk with the delegation of the Palestine National Liberation Movement led by Vice-Chairman Mahmoud O.R. Al Aloul that paid a courtesy call on him at the Mansudae Assembly Hall on Friday.

http://www.rodong.rep.kp/en/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2019-05-25-0006


 No.2904732

It would be cool to study at Kim Il Sung university. Does anyone know if the DPRK accept Western exchange students?


 No.2904803

>>2904677

>according to Choson Ilbo

Kim will magically bring them back to life in like a month and they will be publicly seen at some party meeting.


 No.2904807

>>2837855

>Only in US.

Everywhere, antifa are bourgie footsoldiers bankrolled by bourgie Soros


 No.2904817

>>2843390

>golden dawn

Fascists always have the best names smh


 No.2904823

>>2904807

Shouldn't you be supporting Soros for helping destroy the opportunist "communists" in Eastern Europe?


 No.2904854

File: 425b2bb373bf1ab⋯.jpg (6.67 KB, 225x225, 1:1, images.jpg)

>>2904823

>implying accelerationism???


 No.2905517

REMINDER TO NEVER BELIEVE AMERICAN, SOUTH KOREAN OR OTHER PROPAGANDA ABOUT THE DPRK

>>2905497

1 . Hyong Song Wol:

2013 - Kim Jong Un's girlfriend shot by firing squad - http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/08/29/2013082901412.html

2014 - North Korean singer rumored to have been executed appears alive and well - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/17/north-korean-singer-rumoured-executed-appears-tv

Back from the dead: An 'executed' North Korean pop diva takes the Olympic Spotlight - https://nationalpost.com/news/world/executed-north-korean-pop-diva-takes-olympic-spotlight

>PYONGYANG, Korea, Democratic People’s Republic Of — Just a few years ago, she was reportedly executed by a North Korean firing squad. Now, Pyongyang’s top pop diva is a senior ruling party official and a surprise headliner in the run-up to the South Korean Winter Olympics.

>Hyon Song Wol, the photogenic leader of Kim Jong Un’s hand-picked Moranbong Band, has made two excursions across the Demilitarized Zone as a negotiator and advance team leader working out the details of Kim’s surprise offer for the North to participate in the Pyeongchang Games.

2 . Ri Yong Gi:

Feb 2016 - Kim Jong Un just executed the chief of his own military - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-executes-chief-of-military-on-corruption-charges-a6864571.html

May 2016 - North Korean general rumored to have been executed turns up alive at Congress - https://www.rt.com/news/342612-north-korea-general-congress/

3 . Kim Kyong Hui:

May 2015 - Kim Jong Un ordered his own aunt to be poisoned: defector claims - https://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/11/asia/north-korea-kim-aunt-poisoned/index.html

2017 - Kim Kyong Hui alive, receiving medical treatment - https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20170831011000315

4 . Jang Song Thaek's execution:

Jan 3rd 2014 - Strved, stripped and Fed to dogs - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/kim-jong-uns-executed-uncle-jang-song-thaek-stripped-naked-fed-to-120-dogs-as-officials-watched-9037109.html

Jan 6th 2014 - Not fed to dogs - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/06/story-kim-jong-un-uncle-fed-dogs-made-up


 No.2907949

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48493702

>Kim Yong-chol: 'Purged' N Korean diplomat appears with Kim

That did not take long.


 No.2907985

>>2907949

Fucked up how often Kim Jong-un uses his necromancy abilities just to save face. We need to invade North Korea as soon as possible, and not forget to bring a couple of priests too.


 No.2908342

File: 8c0ef8c2e48c26b⋯.jpg (173.14 KB, 1000x541, 1000:541, North-Korea-DPRK-Kim-Jong-….jpg)

Top US journalists spread fake news claiming North Korean official was ‘purged’ – then he shows up on TV

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/06/03/us-journalists-fake-news-north-korean-official-purged/

Virtually every major Western corporate media outlet and a who’s who of pundits circulated a blatantly false report that North Korean nuclear negotiators were killed and imprisoned, exposing their non-existent editorial standards on Official Enemies.

The corporate media’s editorial standards for reporting on Official Enemies of the US government, especially North Korea, are as low as ever. Blatantly false stories are regularly circulated by leading news outlets without any kind of accountability.

In the latest example of fake news disseminated without any hint of skepticism by America’s top journalists, virtually every major media outlet reported that a senior North Korean official named Kim Yong-chol was supposedly forced into a “labor camp,” as part of a larger deadly “purge.”

Two days later, that same official turned up alive at a public art performance, seated next to North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.

This obvious lack of evidence did not stop credulous reporters from jumping on the sensationalist propaganda. The false story was circulated by The New York Times, Reuters, The Wall Street Journal, The Hill, The Daily Beast, Fox News, CNBC, TIME, ABC News, The Financial Times, The Telegraph, VICE, Rolling Stone, The Independent, The Washington Times, The New York Post, HuffPost, France 24, The Japan Times, Haaretz, The Times of Israel, the US government’s Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty, and many more.


 No.2909603

File: 96162cc5b45bea8⋯.jpg (92.09 KB, 684x960, 57:80, D8PJvU4WkAICxcN.jpg)


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 No.2909647

It is funny how every media outlet just outright lies about stuff, but people still read and believe them.

"Yes, they did lie about North Korea that 5 times, but surely they are telling us the truth about X and Z"


 No.2909665

>>2909647

The worst part is they don't even correct it when the allegedly purged official comes back to life. The Guardian sometimes does it, but the burger outlets never do. At this point they should not be allowed to point the finger at RT everytime they fuck something up (which happens surpsingly less often than it happens with the MSM).


 No.2909667

>>2909665

CNN admitted it in a way that deflected any and all blame from western news sources.


 No.2909686

>>2909667

The evil North Koreans didn't show this guy often enough so of course we were forced to pronounce they executed him. If they showed their folks around more, we wouldn't have to report their deaths.


 No.2909688

File: 9b1c3963bc0b9d8⋯.png (93.34 KB, 192x335, 192:335, kim jong il golf.png)

>>2909647

The coverage is so shit that even the Wikipedia article admits it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage_of_North_Korea


 No.2909690


 No.2910496

>>2849911

>Luxembourg produces fucking what again?

mostly bankers and tax evasion schemes, with some corrupt EU officials


 No.2910500

File: 05084096a14ecf6⋯.png (405.9 KB, 568x508, 142:127, D8V95NUX4AAwAxk.png)


 No.2910505

>>2883056

>they can make nuclear icbm but chairs, basic glassware, electric motors, phones, keyboard are out of reach

are you genuinely retarded ? only high end processors would be out of their reach, everything else is doable pretty easily.


 No.2910507

>>2887131

advertisement was literally called corporate propaganda when modern ads were created and theorized


 No.2913174

File: 732ccd9cb3ee5ac⋯.png (47.06 KB, 1252x371, 1252:371, kim piranha.png)


 No.2913184

File: e39c76bec25faa7⋯.jpg (274.05 KB, 835x1119, 835:1119, Screenshot_20190609-141425….jpg)

File: fb2aa1b46bc6c68⋯.jpg (401.2 KB, 1439x1316, 1439:1316, Screenshot_20190609-140937….jpg)


 No.2913207

>>2913174

TBH he would really be based if he did that.


 No.2913212

What browser do North Koreans use?


 No.2913215

>>2913212

I've seen them use chrome on videos which is pretty retarded considereing that it is proprietary and american. Maybe it was a chromium fork but I doubt it as it was windows too.


 No.2913229

File: 5ef601d49304e76⋯.jpg (81.4 KB, 842x792, 421:396, 1539366205068.jpg)

North Korea actually DID execute all those people, and DID bring them back to life. It's all part of the plot to resurrect Lenin, Stalin and Mao. Stay woke.


 No.2913297


 No.2913304

>>2913229

They're practicing so that they know they get it right.


 No.2913310

we must unconditionally support the deformed worker's state of north korea


 No.2913356

>>2913310

This, unironically.


 No.2914332

>>2884484

Im the anon who was asking for north korean lit; I talked with a professor who specialized in North Korean literature and cinema and he told me that there was basically no literary northkorean fiction translated into English. Nevertheless, I was able to find one epic poem and some classic stories translated into English. Additionally, I found a bunch of academic works on the country's literature which are surprisingly good. If anyone is also interested on this stuff I can post the PDFs in here.


 No.2914456

File: 1a2fe9fb006fce8⋯.jpg (34 KB, 650x365, 130:73, ef0241a4-918a-442b-ac9a-5f….jpg)

North Korea leader’s slain step brother was a CIA agent: WSJ report

>The Wall Street Journal says North Korean leader Kim Jong-un’s half-brother, who was allegedly poisoned on a trip to Malaysia in 2017, had been “a CIA informant.”

>The daily made the allegation on Monday, citing a person with knowledge about the matter. The source claimed there had been “a nexus” between the US spy agency and Kim Jong-nam.

>The Journal, itself, however, cast doubt over the half-brother’s usefulness for the United States. Citing several former US officials, it said he had had “no known power base in [the North Korean capital of] Pyongyang” and “was unlikely to be able to provide details of the secretive country’s inner workings.”

>The same officials purported, though, that Kim Jong Nam had been “almost certainly” in contact with security services of other countries, particularly China.

>A Malaysian investigation into the case concluded last year that the half-brother had met a United States national, possibly an intelligence agent, at a hotel in Malaysia four days before his death on February 9, 2017.

>Wan Azirul Nizam Che Wan Aziz, senior police investigator, made the remarks during the trial of two women accused of killing Kim Jong-nam.

>Indonesian Siti Aisyah and Vietnamese Doan Thi Huong were accused of poisoning Kim Jong-nam with a chemical agent at Kuala Lumpur airport. Both were, however, released by Malaysia earlier this year.

>Washington and Pyongyang have shared historic animosity featuring bitter recriminations and threats. Kim and US President Donald Trump met last year on the latter’s initiative in Singapore to pave the way for possible normalization and Pyongyang’s denuclearization. They met again in Hanoi, Vietnam earlier this year, but the talks signally failed, with the North accusing Washington of blowing a rare opportunity for détente.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/06/11/598208/North-Korea-leader-brother-CIA-agent-report

https://archive.is/6mdSz


 No.2914550

>>2914456

haaahahaha


 No.2914915

>>2914456

People pointed out that he allegedly met with the CIA before getting killed ages ago.


 No.2915162

*ahem*

if you're in the CIA, you're gonna end up as piranha prey


 No.2917135

File: e5e649be88cce06⋯.jpg (27.25 KB, 372x425, 372:425, thae hyong chol.jpg)

File: 2173cbc9053b305⋯.jpeg (42.04 KB, 451x525, 451:525, DMoL6M8WAAAAmTC.jpeg)

Central Election Guidance Committee Formed in DPRK

>The Central Election Guidance Committee for the election of deputies to provincial (municipality), city (district) and county people's assemblies was organized in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

>The Central Election Guidance Committee is made up of Chairman Thae Hyong Chol, Vice-Chairman Kim Phyong Hae, Secretary General Jong Yong Guk, members Choe Pu Il, Kim Yong Ho, Pak Chol Min, Ju Yong Gil, Kim Chang Yop and Jang Chun Sil, according to a decision of the Presidium of the DPRK Supreme People's Assembly announced on Thursday.

http://www.rodong.rep.kp/en/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2019-06-15-0004

https://archive.fo/afJA1

Thae Hyong Chol is actually the elder brother of Thae Yong Ho, a defector who used to work at the DPRK embassy in London. This traitor falsely claimed that his relatives in the DPRK had been arrested and sent to labour camps after his betrayal. Similarly there are several myths that the DPRK sends families of defectors to the camps along with claims of a "three-generation punishment". Clearly this is not the case as shown by the example of Thae Hyong Chol who remains a free high ranking official in the SPA Presidium as well as being the president of Kim Il Sung University.




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