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"I read the news today oh boy

The tories were planning to oust her again

And then the news was rather glad

And I had to laugh

When I saw Boris in the photograph"


torys in shambles, nice

side note: when you post an article in your thread, post the headline in ==Red== so that people can figure out what the thread is about without clicking.


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You know when even 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧The Sun🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 writes something thats not jerking the tories off they're doing bad.



I really like this Beatles reference.


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>you don't live in a timeline where harold won the 1970 election


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>You don't live in a timeline where Benn took over from Wilson instead of Callaghan


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It was always going to be Sunny Jim though the liberals of the party would of rathered the Tories won than Benn win an election.


Why is it so dead in here these days



Because BO decimated our board



you're standing on a beach blaming canute for making all the water disappear



Bumping cus leftybritpol threads are always quality



(screams in Keynesian)



For all he was laughed at as unelectable in 1983, he got surprisingly close in 1976. 43.8% Foot/56.2% Callaghan. (137/176 respectively.) He's probably the more realistic leftish choice for leader.

The problem on the left is, of course, that Foot was first and foremost a party man. The conscience of that party, but a party man, where Benn was an ideological man treating the Labour party as a vehicle. Still, it would've made the late 1970s even more interesting times.

Sometimes I wonder what things would be like had we undergone the 1980s under Denis Healey as a British Bob Hawke expy. (i.e. charming funny labo(u)r man overseeing the transition to neoliberalism, with all the misery that entails.) That's less an economic question (we'd be miserable and poor while the city made bank, plus ça change.) and more a cultural one. It's hard to imagine Healey occupying the same place in the public imagination as Thatcher did, and it also raises all kinds of questions about how impregnable that administration would appear. (Do the Conservatives pivot back to Heathish paternalistic Keynesianism, or promise to be more Healeyite than Healey?)

To get that outcome you probably need Wilson to win 1970 then lose 1974, though.


You lads seen the news thread?? Trump seems to think that if the government banned us protesting his arrival, that would actually stop us. How quaint.



Eh we'd be more like France: the ideal would be betrayed a few years into the 1980s (see: Mitterand) then Labour would slowly die as neolibs took over (think Blair but Blair doesn't win anything) then we would see a popular leftist take back control in the 2010s…

Wait a second this is just our timeline with less privatised shit, wtf.



Am I blind 'cause I can't see it. Also I think if they did that it would actually make more people go. If there are protests when he comes I'll probably go even if they are likely gonna be liberal hellholes. Maybe if they did ban it they would become more radical.



>Implying liberal middle class fags, freaks and trannies are going to stop his visit



Didn't you get the memo? Trump said that if your protest sign is funny enough or has a sick enough reference he'll resign.


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Just came back from the Labour NHS rally with Corbyn.


got a feeling the tories will scrape to a win at the next election

although that's fine too. these morons are on the verge of destroying capitalism.


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I’m a Labour party member with nuanced views – but to Momentum I’m a “Blairite”


Blairites on Suicide watch



Any good?


Nah, and absolut deadlock that cannot be broken without a re-election on a different voting system is the only real way.



>"I have been a Labour party member since 1996. I will never forget the feeling of elation on the morning after the landslide 1997 victory. "

He's a blairite.



Jon Ashworth was there and was quite good speaking at some length about Labours plan to rebuild the NHS. Idea of housing, social care etc being a form of housing was mentioned throughout and later reflected by Corbyn.

As far as mentioning the dirty S word, Corbyn said that Labour is a party of 'Socialism and Social Justice' and that 'Socialism in action is the NHS'.

The whole thing felt like the NHS was a battering ram to make case for collective action and public ownership.



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>defending public-private partnerships



Yeah, polling today shows that people think the NHS is now more important than brexit.


Oh look, it's muff poster.



Three more Tory MPs call for PM to go amid fears of ‘meltdown’ in May’s local elections



What did leftists do to stop Blairs new labour from taking over? How do you think they felt when he won in 1997?



I mean Corbyn was going around saying "Blair is a twatmonger" for most the period.

As for why he won, it's simple: The lib dems were strong and the tories were absolute fucked.


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This is what right wingers actually believe



Wow No fucking point made his entire post

What a shock

What is this "Art" he was talking about?


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the christcom-trot synthesis


>tfw work coach is making me do The Prince's Trust



Want your opinion on a matter involving an anon's encounter with monarchists in /leftytrash/.

If the English monarchy is dissolved (assume it's still liberal democracy) will the crown would be allowed to keep all the land they legally own from the 1600s (which they still own today)?



>legally own

From my understanding the crown doesnt only own the land in theory (much like most of the English monarchy's power). The state would probably "force" the crown to sell the land to them since the state currently controls the Crowns land and receives the money it makes.



I didn't say they'd stop it, i just mean that regardless of whether its legal, there will still be large protests.

>fags freaks and trannies

We aren't American, queers are literally some of the most class conscious people in the UK, and im not joking.



Can we get crowds of people to make an 'orange wanker' football-style chant? Straight forward, but has some bants potential.


Anons, what do you feel are the reasons for the low productivity of the UK? In my perspective I feel the low wages and poor housing prospects saps people’s incentives to work hard. What do you feel are likely reasons? How could we solve it?



>tfw my coworker is a gay neoliberal who thinks the USSR was worse than Nazi Germany

>unironically said ‘communism doesn’t work because people don’t want to work if they all get paid the same’



It could be partially that I live in the shithole hellscape that is Cumbria, but most good leftists i know are queer. Knowing one neoliberal queer isn't an excuse to alienate a group with huge potential to be radicalized.



Oh, I didn’t mean to imply that, I’m trans myself. It’s just that a lot of gay people subscribe to weird conservatism. I think it’s partly a mix of ‘fuck you, i got mine’ the other groups now that homosexuality is becoming more or less accepted, and also because some wanna feel part of the traditional culture and not part of a counter-culture.



Actually i agree with you, my fellow tranny. I think a lot of middle aged gay men find themselves falling in line with neoliberal bollocks because they want fit in. Sorry if i came of as hostile, just so many people on leftypol are anti queer its kind of hard to tell



low investment, low skills, bad management culture, weak demand.









Also turns out young turnout didn't increase that much: the Corbyn revolution isn't just for edgy students lads.



>scroll through this thread

>muh NHS

>muh trannies

Should have known this shithole would be full of mentalists. Get yourselves checked out, lads.


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You know lad, as a rugby player I am kinda a fan of a health service that is free at the point of use.


Tbh this is boring, it is not going to help anyone.


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Capitalism's the best and brightest when it comes to breeding its own enemies, as usual, it seems.


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In the real world Heath won 1974 and oversaw a disastrous period of strikes and high inflation which lead to a period of Labour dominance through the 1980s. After taking power at the beginning of the decade, the benefits of North Sea Oil to the treasury were immense with a significant proportion being stored offshore in a sovereign wealth fund. Neoliberalism was still the dominant global paradigm, and many people will never forgive Labour for the consequences of the end of full employment, but nonetheless Britain retains railways and airlines in state ownership (albeit the latter as a for-profit state owned enterprise.) and the trade union movement remains strongly influential in the politics of the Labour party, with a majority of the last Labour cabinet having some form of association with a trades union.

We live in an alternate history dystopia to that reality where it's assumed since Labour won, we can butterfly effect Heath's corporatism and fear of unemployment out of the picture and replace him with the second or third maddest person on the Tory front bench…

We'll keep on going, of course… but in what manner?

it's actually a fun sort of "they are both the worst" situation, since if you do accept this story then Wilson only won two elections, meaning Blair beat him. Of course, a radical centrist bipartisan compromise is to have Labour win 1974a (meaning Wilson has equalled Blair), then lose 1974b (1975?) to a Con/Lib coalition that nosedives into the ground in 1979-80.




Capita: almost £1bn wiped off value of UK government contractor==

>Grim state of outsourcing firm’s financial position emerges two weeks after collapse of Carillion

Looks like another one is going down lads. Also can this thread be made cyclical yet? Leftybritpol is one of the best parts of this board.


Labour plans to make landowners sell to state for fraction of value

>Exclusive: party proposes raid on private land to cut cost of building new council houses




Corbyn is going to make Mao look like a fucking liberal



>He was asked by Marr whether he supported recommitting Labour to socialism by once again including the phrase about public ownership of the means of production on the party card. Corbyn said no, he was quite happy with the redraft of the party card carried out by Tony Blair.




tbh he cant say yes can he. Most of his MPs hate him as it is and are just waiting for an opportunity to back stab him again so out right saying he is a socialist wouldn't be the best idea. Also he isnt really a true socialist, but is paving the way to a future socialist labour party. He just needs to grow some balls after the local elections and purge the party of Blairite scum


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TL;DR: he was opposed to it being removed, but he won't say whether he will go back. However what he suggests in the video is actually "CLAUSE IV DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH".



>tfw jez will never ask me how my mum is

Also yeah it seems like he wants to back but doesn't want to directly say it and will get around it by making a new clause thats basically the same thing but with extra shit added.


Just saw someone unironically say the UK should have an equivalent of a tea party, can't even imagine how poor that would go. At least I can live with the fact he probably lives in one of the safest Labour seats in the country so he's permanently annoyed by those around him.



Even when things look bad here I always think about how much worse our American comrades have it. Thank god we dont have a tea party equivalent



Dude we did: it was/is called UKIP.



You're kidding yourself if you don't think Corbyn's (and lets be honest here) minor success isn't going to inspire a far larger far right reaction.



It's been several months and no such reaction has happened.



Where do right-winger get these terms from? It's like one day they just turn on a dime and all start repeating the same insult. Like cuck, snowflake, and SJW were actually kind of effective terms (though I'd never actually use any ofthem), but these new ones like soyboy, low t, bugmen etc. all just sound stupid.



They all read the same shitty blogs and propaganda outlets.



Lad, you have it the wrong way around: Corbyn IS the reaction. To the recent financial crash we have seen a near-universal reaction across the cultural west, that of two movements bound together: National populism (UKIP, Tea Party, Southern FN, Western AfD) and Post-Fascism (BNP, Richard Spencerites, Northern FN, Eastern AfD). The reason the UK has a large far left movement now is that 1) the post fascist movement started to gain ground in 2005 and peaked in 2010, well before most in Europe 2) the two movements never linked arms in the UK like they have done in other places (Frances, Germany and America). As such, they fell apart quite quickly. You see Corbyn is the leftist reaction to the failure neoliberalism and the inability of right wing populisms to deal with the issues of the modern age.


We /Militant/ nao




Nah we're not: Militant never got Benn elected.



These are the policies btw:

>Abolishing council tax entirely for low income residents

>Bringing contracts outsourced to the private sector back in-house - in line with the aims shadow chancellor John McDonnell set out at last autumn's Labour conference

>Extending free school meals to every primary school child

>Using empty council properties as homeless shelters

>Discussing the launch of a not-for-profit lettings agencies, potentially competing with the private sector, to offer homes at less than the market rate



I've always found some irony in the way "for the many, not the few" was one of those unobjectionable Blairish phrases that came to embody Corbynism by accident.


Corbyn's success followed our moment of "right-populism" though.

(In Brexit, which yeah I know wasn't strictly right wing or even undesirable, but still. That was the illusion.)


NEED a labour government to abolish council tax entirely and introduce something-anything less terrible.


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>NEED a labour government to abolish council tax entirely and introduce something-anything less terrible.

Iirc introducing a LVT to replace both council tax and dbusiness rates was in the good o' red book.



That's when the ruling class stops pretending they were bugs, and reveals they were features and we all get to live under a dictatorship



>Tory council runs out of money

So much for the fiscally responsable right.



Haringey boss Claire Kober: 'The argument that I’m incompetent would not have been used if I were a man'

Liberals man.



Sad that Corbyn supports the Trans nonsense. He should be learning from the experienced second wavers rather than hysterical teenagers like Madigan



lmao cockshott is a TERF


>what is scientific consensus



>mao cockshott is a TERF

I think you have the wrong Cockshott, unless they are both TERFs.


The thing is he doesn't play it up much, he is pretty much like most britons: positively not giving a shit.


I figure the fight at the Rees Mogg meeting is worth bumping this thread for. The right wing mind is a fascinating thing. They are able to carry on behaving as if it was the protestors are at fault and the RM supporters even when there is footage of the RM punching a woman in the face.



>dsm-5 is science

an incorrect analysis


As you've all seen polls mean very little especially in Britain where it is dependent on a small amount of swing constituencies who wins, concentrated support means nothing unless it spreads to those areas. Corbyn won't win, he had it easy at the last election as there were several Tory gaffes and when people are faced with the reality of a hard left government they will go for the more centrist approach, also he will be old as fuck come 2022.



Honestly JRM scares me: there are enough people wanting to LARP Downton Abbey in this country that he could make his way to PM.


There are several flaws in this analysis:

1) Polls between elections mean fuck all, Kinnock was polling over 50% in 1991.

2) As for swing seats, things are actually changing quite drastically: for starters there is no such thing as a safe seat in Scotland anymore: literally we had people with absolute majorities get kicked out last time. The next election shall see an earthquake in rural southern England: Jerusalem shall be red again.

3) He didn't have it easy last election, the tory gaffs meant jack shit: it was the early manfiesto and the hype around it created by the leak (which I am like 99% sure was deliberate).

4) On him being fuck old, honestly I don't think he will make it to 2022 either: his aim is to reform the party so whomever comes after him will carry forth his vision without moderation. We are already seeing several leftist successors come in his wake.



It does look like we will have an election by 2019 , Richard Leonard made the point in an interview that the house of commons as it stands will never agree on the final brexit arrangement. There are enough hard brexit and pro EU torys to cause a stir and block the governments bill, unless somehow they come to an agreement parliament will end up in deadlock and would lead to another GE. Hopefully Corbyn will have sorted out the party. Does anyone have any ideas who his successor might be, Emily Thornberry seems to be the most likely choice for the soft left "unifying" candidate. I cant see John McDonnelll going for it but hopefully he stays on as Chancellor of the Exchequer for a bit. Dose anyone know any up and coming left wing candidates who could take over? Maybe Clive Lewis but he is seems too young still?



I worry about Thornberry, she openly said she supported "reforming capitalism" on QT like a year back. There are a few names tho, Laura Pidcock (the QT that says she wouldn't be mates with any tory MPs). Chris Williamson was a favourite until he quit after saying council tax should go up 200%. Keir Starmer is a bookies' favourite, although I don't know how quality his leftist credentials are tho. A few others are Rebecca Long-Bailey; who was actually one of the 36 to nominate Corbyn in the first place, Clive Lewis as you said; (who hangs around with Varoufakis, Zizek, is a part of DiEM25 and is a vet who is anti-war), Angela Rayner; who is not really that ideological (for either blairism or Marxism-Benninism) and just wants to fix the education system she feels failed herm (while admirable I am not sure if it is what we want) and finally Richard Burgon; who has Paul Robeson, Pro-Palestinian and Momentum stuff on his twitter.

So yeah there is a crop, but at the end of the day the leader won't matter much as it is McDonnell that is doing most off the leg work at the end of the day.



In the end, it's mass popular involvement and a radicalized street level base that will play the deciding role. The liberal media loves headlines about Momentum thugs and far left activists threathening people, I think that's a good sign.



I agree. The one thing people are ignoring is that the real momentum (honhonhon) is not coming from Momentum but from leftist members joining and doing stuff. These people aren't ideologically trained, they just want shit to get fixed and they see the Labour programme as the means of doing this. They're proletarians of all stripes and are a part of the revolutionary subject: and they are being mobilised in a way not seen since perhaps the end of the second world war and the 1945 election. Time will only tell where we go from here, but if we keep the ship sailing I have hope we can fix this rotten country.


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Made some OC, spread it: especially with your scottish mates.



Fuck me just noticed the spelling errors, if someone could fix it I would be grateful.


A white supremacist who plotted a machete attack on people at a gay pride event has been convicted of a terror offence.

>he was planning to use an axe and machete during the attack, but the plan was foiled after he told people about it on Facebook.

>he expressed his hatred of Muslims and Jews, and said in a WhatsApp message: "My country is being raped.I might just become a skinhead and kill people."

>The right-wing extremist had a swastika hanging on his bedroom wall and bought a new Nazi armband after his was taken by police when he was arrested.

>He claimed he posted comments on Facebook to impress far-right friends and was "ashamed" as he was bisexual.

>Stables was interested in the Columbine High School massacre

He was described by his barrister as "lonely and inadequate" and as having an autism spectrum condition.


The absolute state of /pol/yps.


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forgot pic


>crease in the flag

Iron that shit you lazy twat.



>He claimed he posted comments on Facebook to impress far-right friends and was "ashamed" as he was bisexual.

Of course.


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jesus christ how horrifying

>Wee Frees

>Wee Wee Frees

The greatest rivalry in history.




The government spends ages confiscating knives but let machetes and axes slip by. Fuck's sake bobbies, are you even trying?



my son yuo are bisexual now, you must choose

>abandon ideology which literally considers you subhuman and thinks you should be exterminated


>go and murder other gays such as yourself to impress your nazi friends (?????)


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Pointless twitter drama, but still bants.


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with a possibility of a market crash, I hope you lads know what you duty is



[The Union of Wales has Capitulated]



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>Union of Wales



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I need more Mosley's, Mosley posting is probably the only genuinely funny meme the British right has ever come out with and Totalist Mosley is even better


Liberal centrist Jonathan Pie says antifascists are the real fascists




Oswald Moonsley.



>2nd pic

Mosley probably loved A Trip To The Moon.

>bunch of lads get in a ship

>crash into a foreign land destroying parts

>kill a few natives

>enslave one to bring home



He's a right arrogant cunt, who gives a shit what he says



UK to consult on employment status after gig economy concerns

Seems like they're at least trying to get somewhere with these "gig economy" companies.



UK to consult on employment status after gig economy concerns

>tfw you spoiler instead of heading

I worry about myself sometimes.




I think they are worried about the growing unionisation of the sector: with groups like the IWW (Yes, that one) and the Solidarity Federation starting to get workers organised. The irony is granting workers' rights is more likely to spur unionisation as to defend them.


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I'm starting to miss David Cameron.


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it was a simpler time


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you still think you can control them, dave?


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I miss Ed Miliband tbh.


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Haven't been following it too closely but it's good to hear the more radical unions are getting a bit of a foothold in there then. Jobs like that are just going to become more and more common so they're going to have to do something about how shit the workers are treated.


I'll take any excuse to post this image



Momentum sets up councillor network to target local elections

Honestly I am from Toryshire and seeing some labourites win would make me break my lent: giving up pornography.


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>tfw just joined the IWW a couple of weeks ago

>Get the warm fuzzies seeing all the new activity its doing in the UK

>Local area group has doubled in size in the past month

Now if only the video bit of wobchat would work perfectly and we could go back to red cards that were actually red instead of the shit loads of badges design everything would be perfect




also, r u in Bristol?



Freemasons call for end to 'discrimination' of members

Okay what is it with all this Freemason shit recently?



No idea. Was eating breakfast this morning and heard someone on the tv spouting some weird shit but couldn't see the screen and apparently it was these lads. I always figured Freemasons was just like a LARP country club where you go to get pissed.



Nah, I'm not in England, in one of the non anglo bits

Its nice to see these sorts of things happening, but the IWW is still virtually invisible in the uk, I literally only found out there was a group in my area because my friend sent me a youtube video of them with like 15 views, gotta start getting the word out



>Wee Wee Frees

Sounds like some sort of piss fetish group


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>"We must devolve powers, we must ensure that the people who are the real experts about the service levels, the workers themselves, the passengers and the consumers and expert management are brought together."

This looks good he wants the workers to control the nationalised Industries


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Tories back ahead in the polls. What the fuck are Labour doing? Is the media sabotage campaign in overdrive?



Intra election polls mean fuck all: Corbyn was at 25% and Kinnock was at 52%.



Yes they are ultimately irrelevant, but I'm wondering what caused the drop.


There's been fuck all terrorism lately.

The jihadist movement's been losing steam since late-2016, maybe it's finally over?



>tfw student

>tfw not active in any political organisations

I don't have any connections with leftists tbqh.


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Labour have been not rocking the boat. To my impression we've done nothing. (But then, I don't read the news.)

The Tories are in government, so they get to go on telly to announce their response to stuff they can't bounce, like Brexit negotiations, or any other ongoing event. In consequence, their profile is higher. Doubly because people don't really care about Labour stories when they aren't negative. It's not just coincidence that Labour's opinion poll standing skyrocketed the minute they were legally mandated to give both parties equal say.

At the same time that does raise some problems, since the extraordinary result last time might engender complacency.



>tfw sixth form dropout

>more leftist than anyone who went to uni

So much for the college campus left.



I'm at Sussex, and the "leftists" here are just demand-side weak-Keynesians.



pardon my tinfoil hat, but I don't think it's close enough to election time for there to be another attack





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>getting called nazi on playground

Bullshit, any good British child would have called a brown haired German a Jew who got away.


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>Some lady


>Race IS Real




I want to fuck this cunt


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While its true that when it comes to 'human rights' and the military Corbyn doesn't have a hard stance as that would be electoral stucide and would do no one any good, he has consistently advocated, especially in recent months, the exclusion of Israeli and Saudi interests from UK government and has highlighted the government's support of them. Important to note the consistent attempts by zionists to sabotage Corbyn which in themselves show he is a credible threat to their interests.

The points on the Iraq war and Ireland are pretty bullshit. Corbyn did everything he could as an MP to oppose the war and condemning the soldiers rather than the government does absolutely nothing of value while giving his critics extra ammo and it doesn't take a genius to see that privately Corbyn supports a unified Ireland and Gerry Adams' constant endorsement reinforces that.



Pacifism is liberal bullshit.


So friends how can we assure Labour won't become another SYRIZA once in power



From my understanding SYRIZA was fucked hard by the IMF and the EU, they cant legally make any laws that would effect Greece's economy without going past them first and they just dont have the energy or will to fight back. Labour wont have those problems and will be pretty much free to do what it wants to do (once the purge the scum from the party)


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Leave the EU


Labor just had an "Alternative Models of Ownership Conference".


Read a summary from a Marxist economist participant here:


>However, the issues for me remain the ones that I first raised in considering ‘Corbynomics’ back when Jeremy Corbyn first won the leadership of the Labour Party in 2015. If public ownership is confined to just the so-called natural monopolies or utilities and is not extended to the banks and financial sector and to key strategic industries (the ‘commanding heights’ of the economy), capitalism will continue to predominate in investment and employment and the law of value and markets will still rule. Labour’s plan for a state investment bank and state-induced or run investment spending would add about 1-2% to total investment to GDP in the UK. But the capitalist sector invests nearer 12-15% and would remain dominant through its banks, pharma, aerospace, tech and business service conglomerates.

>There was no talk of taking over these sectors at the conference. That was not even talk of taking over the big five banks – something I have raised before in this blog and helped to write a study, on behalf of the Fire Brigades Union (and which is formally British Trade Union Congress policy). Without control of finance and the strategic sectors of the British economy, a Labour government will either be frustrated in its attempts to improve the lot of “the many not the few” (Labour’s slogan), or worse, face the impact of another global recession without any protection from the vicissitudes of the market and the law of value.


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Good post and an important issue. However while it is important that expropriation takes place and we can hope that a Labour government would bring it about as unlikely as it seems, they would have to be entirely suicidal to detail a plan to expropriate the city finance and industrial capital.

Insofar as we are trusting in what is at heart a socdem party recovering from decades of neoliberal rule we can only hope that a Corbyn/McDonnell government would take radical action if push came to shove.




These polls arent important, the local bi-elections in the coming months will be a better insight into whats happening, currently there hasnt been enough this year to see a clear trend but there are alot coming up next Thursday. More importantly the local elections in May will be a good time to see how Labour has improved



I unironically wanna move to Britain so I can join the Blarite pruge gangs



I wish I had more spare time so I could join take part in the Momentum purging but I have a Maths degree to do. Even though it makes the Labour party look worse I love it when blarites complain on the news about being deselected. The revolution will be fed with Blarite tears



>the country you're from has had dumbass imperialist in the past who did mean shit and even though you're ideologically opposed to these people you still literally can't criticize any other country for doing mean shit

what sort of twisted fucking logic is this?



>He doesn't understand one of the best ways to end imperialism is to end the imperial policy of first world stats.

Corbyn has consistently throughout his life be anti-imperialist: be it anti-apartheid, anti-settlement, anti-Vietnam [insert Wilson.mp3 here], against the Iraq & Afghanistan wars and finally pledging to introduce BDS for both Israel & Saudi Arabia and stop the atrocities in Yemen. He will be the first proper anti-imperialist PM this country has ever had.


This tbh.


Eh even the locals in May are iffey: remember the 2017 locals? Still, the ones to watch are: Haringey, Preston and Salford. These are the three Momentum are targeting to introduce "municipal socialism" and if they win big we will have three 1980s Liverpool councils again.



Eh the removal of Blairism isn't actually that active: it is more subtle. They aren't being kicked out, they are just leaving. And in their wake they are being replaced by either legitimate marxist-socialists or genuine proletarians who while not up on theory just want a country that fucking works and is decently left wing. My CLP is a good example of that tbh, we doubled in size since the election and most of the new lot are at-least Wilsonites.


Tanks and MLMs gonna do what they do.



Yeah I agree the problem with locals, especially one off ones, is that local problems can be very different to national ones. 2014 local elections are another example of not to look at them too much. They showed a clear swing to Labour but didnt show the collapse of Labour in Scotland


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Tbh I think we should less at if this will reflect nationally, and more if our agenda can be implemented locally.

Also would be interseting to see how well labour does in staunch tory areas, we have hope in area of the home counties for at-least a few more cllrs.



>Also would be interseting to see how well labour does in staunch tory areas

It would also be interesting if Labour can hold its seats in the north (especially the north east) where the did loose some support in the General election (ex-ukip voters going more towards Torys than Labour).



Underrated post


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who /libdem/ here

we're centre-left, so we're on-topic



>Soc Dem Poster

<Lib Dem

Get the fuck off my board.



Does anyone actually know any libdem voters? I know one, they're rich which probably is part of it.


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Tbh all my mates voted lib dem last time (mostly because they are upper middle class people who are class conscious enough to see the tories are against their own interests but fell for the "muh magic money tree" meme).


the real question is what constituency you're voting lib-dem in.


won't labour just keep capitalism going though? isn't it a good thing that the tories are breaking the system?



Sheffield Hallam


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>If you want to spend 2 percent of funding on the army then you want to invade every country in the middle east

Wow great thinking lads not a single hole in that argument


Lads, we are about to face the longest walk-outs in universities for nearly 50 years, Who else is ready for some shit?



Just got back from the student strike support meeting, this ought to be good famrade.


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>tfw the labour aristocracy are now the most class-conscious elements




tbf this strike doesn't just cover the lecturers but the Librarians, admin staff and PhD student-teachers as well. Lets not forget also the strikes that have taken place in other sectors as well like the bus drivers and train drivers, factory workers, shipyard workers and truck drivers. McDonalds workers unionised sucessfully last year and the CWU voted to take strike action but weren't allowed to go out due to some legal fuckery. Local council workers may end up going out on stike later in the year as well.


How do the Tories have any support at all? Are Brits just natural classcucks?



There is something that an American pointed out to me on here a few weeks back: Doctors in the US are petit.bourgeois because they buy shares in their hospitals: while Doctors in the UK tend to have a far more proletarian mind-set (being unionised and such) because there is a strict employer-employée relationship in the NHS.

Now the irony is that with the nature of new public management: the guy in charged turned from a bureaucrat in a grey suit (who was a part of the government) into effectively a capitalist boss. The marketisation of public services has in effect, turned those employed by them into proletarians in effectively all aspects. So, now we have mass unionised doctors, lecturers and teachers: all of whom are now acting out of class consciousness. It is yet another beautiful proof of the self-destructive nature of capitalism.



so will Labour's plans for alternative models of ownership turn workers into porkies and further entrench capitalist ideology


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No they shall introduce De Leonism and issung dishing out State-Supplied GFs.



incredible policy


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What does LeftyBritPol think of Mao?


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He was daddy.

On a real, Chiang Kai would have killed more, but Chen Duxiu was infinitely better than Mao. Mao was pretty incompetent in a lot of things, although Zhou Enlai would have been worse: since he would have killed all those people deliberately and without remorse..



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>“Everything is all fucked. And until Trump leaves the Oval Office, I will not think we are not fucked,” he says.

I want the 'everything was fine but then everything changed when the trump nation attacked' meme to die



Chiang Kai-shek was a traitor to the chinese people but Zhou Enlai was a pragmatist and wasn't a revolutionary as Mao. Why would he have been bad? Most of his career was spent being the voice of reason to Mao.



Zhou Enlai was basically the Chinese Beria: concerned with power and as you said: an unideological pragmatist. Instead of a cultural revolution he would have just purged people straight up.


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kinda, the big right wing papers have an ironclad grip on much of the population



Birts used to be naturally left wing but since Blair thats not the case anymore. I think a big part to it is people want someone leftwing like Corbyn but keep buying into the "magic money tree" "loony lefty" meme. We need to remind people that they are in fact left wing and support left wing policy



Problem is the left fell hard for the multiculturalism and identity politics meme. Normal British people don't want this. If Labour dropped it they'd be far more popular.



Corbyn is trying tbh, he can't go full on blast but he hasn't said anything crazy like Clinton/Bernie did in the US



Is he though? Youth Labour and Momentum love it and they're his power base.



Go back to /pol/


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Really? Because the Red libs are the one autistically screeching about him.


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this tbh

Blairites and the Labour right-wing are the idpol vanguard.



Half the gay men i know are liberal and that was before gay marriage was legalised. 1 in 5 gay men in france vote national front.

Truth is gays are bourgie. Maybe once they start getting married and adopting itll change



Youth Labour is a bit more dicey but Momentum is largely guided by the mentality of the old union boys from the Old Left, as anon points out the Blairites are far more invested in idpol shit.


>Truth is gays are bourgie.

it never ends this shit



He has to be in power and then the economy has to tank for that to come to pass


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I've never heard of this take on Zhou Enlai. Zhou's policies provided Deng with inspiration for 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧reform and opening up🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧. Zhou was a rightist, Beria seems to be an actual commie, well, more so than any other potential successor to Stalin.



>Zhou was a rightist

He was one of the founding members of the CCP and one of the key players in the communist revolution.




Autoloan crisis incoming.



Homeless man dies on 'doorstep' of Houses of Parliament

>MPs criticise government policies after rough sleeper pronounced dead in Westminster area, London

People are fucking dying on the steps of bloody Westminster Station: honestly we have reached a point that is too far.


UK Prime Minister May calls for fight to “defeat socialism”

>Prime Minister Theresa May pledged a renewed fight to “defeat socialism” before an audience of ultra-wealthy donors last week at the Conservative Party’s annual fundraising dinner.

>“Around the world, we see a rise of populism, nationalism and protectionism. We see the great positive forces of free trade, economic liberalism and the rules-based order which sustains them under threat.”

>There was no reference to the leading source of this instability in the shattering of the “rules-based order”—US imperialism—nor to the “terror threat”, which for almost two decades has been presented as the gravest challenge to British and international security.

>Instead, almost 40 years after Thatcher vowed to “roll back the tide of socialism,” and more than 25 years since the liquidation of the Soviet Union was given as definitive proof of the triumph of capitalism, May declared the task at hand was a “renewed mission … to defeat socialism today as we have defeated it before.”


What did she mean by this?


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What does this mean? I means porky is immensely spooked. Keep up the good work lads.


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So much for meeting triumph and disaster and treating those two impostors just the same.


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May trying to go full Red Scare 3.0



>Czech agents

There is actually a really good story about how a minister of technology and post-master general was actually a British spy for the Czechs during the cold war.




Just the Czechs?



Yes, specifically just the czechs.



>Excluding DKs 54% of those polled supported the reintroduction of national service.

Just watch them fucking do it.






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>40 years after Thatcher vowed to “roll back the tide of socialism”

The tide goes out before it comes in, Mrs. Thatcher.


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Actually why though? Even from an army perspective all you need to do in a war now is to get some lad to pilot an army of drones to bomb a school and soon enough a robot will do that for him. Their only arguement is calling younger generations pussies for not wanting to kill people in the name of the state and porkies interes which is purely feels > reals.

Honestly hope I don't turn out like that when I'm older and if I do throw me in the fucking gulag.



Well it's for sure the Army doesn't want to have to deal with a load of younguns. The only kind of people that want these are those who want the youffs of the streets and think it will deal with the "snowflakes". The irony is that they would be teaching a generation that hates them how to use weaponry.


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>Blairite defends PFIs



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>The grauniad

Their "Vote Liberal Democrat" headline of 2010 and the constant Obama dicksucking should be enough to put anyone else off.


Apocalypse now for Britain’s retailers as low wages and the web cause ruin

>Big-name stores are teetering on the brink. Without radical action to bring back shoppers, UK high streets will be wrecked


Today on this episode of "Marx is proved right yet again": The falling rate of profit as applied to consumer retail.



The high street deserves nothing more than a painful death. Just walking down them makes me depressed.


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>Comrade Rosen is spreading class consciousness amongst the future proletarians







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>Imagine being this delusional



I don't get it, is he taking the piss out of lolberts?



Yes and no: he is more highlighting the inherent aristocracy that exists in Britain.



he kind of is

the third one is the most obvious one probably


Honestly I am just fucking hope they lower interest rates on tution fees: fuck 3% on 9 grand that I can't even pay back.


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I wanna live in the Daily Mail's fantasy world to be honest



This makes no-sense as the capital of the Soviet Union doesn't have -grad in it. If anything like Manchester or Liverpool would be Jeremygrad.



are they even being serious at this point or have they been reduced to shitposting



of course it doesn't make sense it's the fucking daily mail



Wouldn't it make more sense if it was Corbyngrad, since Lenin was his last name, Stalin was the last name etc.



Tbh the Daily Mail make good fanfiction.


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Why's everyone mad at Mary Beard?

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