"I read the news today oh boy
The tories were planning to oust her again
And then the news was rather glad
And I had to laugh
When I saw Boris in the photograph"
torys in shambles, nice
side note: when you post an article in your thread, post the headline in ==Red== so that people can figure out what the thread is about without clicking.
You know when even 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧The Sun🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 writes something thats not jerking the tories off they're doing bad.
I really like this Beatles reference.
>you don't live in a timeline where harold won the 1970 election
>You don't live in a timeline where Benn took over from Wilson instead of Callaghan
It was always going to be Sunny Jim though the liberals of the party would of rathered the Tories won than Benn win an election.
Why is it so dead in here these days
Because BO decimated our board
you're standing on a beach blaming canute for making all the water disappear
Bumping cus leftybritpol threads are always quality
(screams in Keynesian)
For all he was laughed at as unelectable in 1983, he got surprisingly close in 1976. 43.8% Foot/56.2% Callaghan. (137/176 respectively.) He's probably the more realistic leftish choice for leader.
The problem on the left is, of course, that Foot was first and foremost a party man. The conscience of that party, but a party man, where Benn was an ideological man treating the Labour party as a vehicle. Still, it would've made the late 1970s even more interesting times.
Sometimes I wonder what things would be like had we undergone the 1980s under Denis Healey as a British Bob Hawke expy. (i.e. charming funny labo(u)r man overseeing the transition to neoliberalism, with all the misery that entails.) That's less an economic question (we'd be miserable and poor while the city made bank, plus ça change.) and more a cultural one. It's hard to imagine Healey occupying the same place in the public imagination as Thatcher did, and it also raises all kinds of questions about how impregnable that administration would appear. (Do the Conservatives pivot back to Heathish paternalistic Keynesianism, or promise to be more Healeyite than Healey?)
To get that outcome you probably need Wilson to win 1970 then lose 1974, though.
You lads seen the news thread?? Trump seems to think that if the government banned us protesting his arrival, that would actually stop us. How quaint.
Eh we'd be more like France: the ideal would be betrayed a few years into the 1980s (see: Mitterand) then Labour would slowly die as neolibs took over (think Blair but Blair doesn't win anything) then we would see a popular leftist take back control in the 2010s…
Wait a second this is just our timeline with less privatised shit, wtf.
Am I blind 'cause I can't see it. Also I think if they did that it would actually make more people go. If there are protests when he comes I'll probably go even if they are likely gonna be liberal hellholes. Maybe if they did ban it they would become more radical.
>Implying liberal middle class fags, freaks and trannies are going to stop his visit
Didn't you get the memo? Trump said that if your protest sign is funny enough or has a sick enough reference he'll resign.
Just came back from the Labour NHS rally with Corbyn.
got a feeling the tories will scrape to a win at the next election
although that's fine too. these morons are on the verge of destroying capitalism.
Nah, and absolut deadlock that cannot be broken without a re-election on a different voting system is the only real way.
>"I have been a Labour party member since 1996. I will never forget the feeling of elation on the morning after the landslide 1997 victory. "
He's a blairite.
Jon Ashworth was there and was quite good speaking at some length about Labours plan to rebuild the NHS. Idea of housing, social care etc being a form of housing was mentioned throughout and later reflected by Corbyn.
As far as mentioning the dirty S word, Corbyn said that Labour is a party of 'Socialism and Social Justice' and that 'Socialism in action is the NHS'.
The whole thing felt like the NHS was a battering ram to make case for collective action and public ownership.
>defending public-private partnerships
Yeah, polling today shows that people think the NHS is now more important than brexit.
Oh look, it's muff poster.
Three more Tory MPs call for PM to go amid fears of ‘meltdown’ in May’s local elections
What did leftists do to stop Blairs new labour from taking over? How do you think they felt when he won in 1997?
I mean Corbyn was going around saying "Blair is a twatmonger" for most the period.
As for why he won, it's simple: The lib dems were strong and the tories were absolute fucked.
This is what right wingers actually believe
Wow No fucking point made his entire post
What a shock
What is this "Art" he was talking about?
the christcom-trot synthesis
>tfw work coach is making me do The Prince's Trust
Want your opinion on a matter involving an anon's encounter with monarchists in /leftytrash/.
If the English monarchy is dissolved (assume it's still liberal democracy) will the crown would be allowed to keep all the land they legally own from the 1600s (which they still own today)?
From my understanding the crown doesnt only own the land in theory (much like most of the English monarchy's power). The state would probably "force" the crown to sell the land to them since the state currently controls the Crowns land and receives the money it makes.
I didn't say they'd stop it, i just mean that regardless of whether its legal, there will still be large protests.
>fags freaks and trannies
We aren't American, queers are literally some of the most class conscious people in the UK, and im not joking.
Can we get crowds of people to make an 'orange wanker' football-style chant? Straight forward, but has some bants potential.
Anons, what do you feel are the reasons for the low productivity of the UK? In my perspective I feel the low wages and poor housing prospects saps people’s incentives to work hard. What do you feel are likely reasons? How could we solve it?
>tfw my coworker is a gay neoliberal who thinks the USSR was worse than Nazi Germany
>unironically said ‘communism doesn’t work because people don’t want to work if they all get paid the same’
It could be partially that I live in the shithole hellscape that is Cumbria, but most good leftists i know are queer. Knowing one neoliberal queer isn't an excuse to alienate a group with huge potential to be radicalized.
Oh, I didn’t mean to imply that, I’m trans myself. It’s just that a lot of gay people subscribe to weird conservatism. I think it’s partly a mix of ‘fuck you, i got mine’ the other groups now that homosexuality is becoming more or less accepted, and also because some wanna feel part of the traditional culture and not part of a counter-culture.
Actually i agree with you, my fellow tranny. I think a lot of middle aged gay men find themselves falling in line with neoliberal bollocks because they want fit in. Sorry if i came of as hostile, just so many people on leftypol are anti queer its kind of hard to tell
low investment, low skills, bad management culture, weak demand.
IT'S THE BEST SYSTEM WE HAVE
Also turns out young turnout didn't increase that much: the Corbyn revolution isn't just for edgy students lads.
>scroll through this thread
Should have known this shithole would be full of mentalists. Get yourselves checked out, lads.
You know lad, as a rugby player I am kinda a fan of a health service that is free at the point of use.
Tbh this is boring, it is not going to help anyone.
Capitalism's the best and brightest when it comes to breeding its own enemies, as usual, it seems.
In the real world Heath won 1974 and oversaw a disastrous period of strikes and high inflation which lead to a period of Labour dominance through the 1980s. After taking power at the beginning of the decade, the benefits of North Sea Oil to the treasury were immense with a significant proportion being stored offshore in a sovereign wealth fund. Neoliberalism was still the dominant global paradigm, and many people will never forgive Labour for the consequences of the end of full employment, but nonetheless Britain retains railways and airlines in state ownership (albeit the latter as a for-profit state owned enterprise.) and the trade union movement remains strongly influential in the politics of the Labour party, with a majority of the last Labour cabinet having some form of association with a trades union.
We live in an alternate history dystopia to that reality where it's assumed since Labour won, we can butterfly effect Heath's corporatism and fear of unemployment out of the picture and replace him with the second or third maddest person on the Tory front bench…
We'll keep on going, of course… but in what manner?
it's actually a fun sort of "they are both the worst" situation, since if you do accept this story then Wilson only won two elections, meaning Blair beat him. Of course, a radical centrist bipartisan compromise is to have Labour win 1974a (meaning Wilson has equalled Blair), then lose 1974b (1975?) to a Con/Lib coalition that nosedives into the ground in 1979-80.
Capita: almost £1bn wiped off value of UK government contractor==
>Grim state of outsourcing firm’s financial position emerges two weeks after collapse of Carillion
Looks like another one is going down lads. Also can this thread be made cyclical yet? Leftybritpol is one of the best parts of this board.
Labour plans to make landowners sell to state for fraction of value
>Exclusive: party proposes raid on private land to cut cost of building new council houses
Corbyn is going to make Mao look like a fucking liberal
>He was asked by Marr whether he supported recommitting Labour to socialism by once again including the phrase about public ownership of the means of production on the party card. Corbyn said no, he was quite happy with the redraft of the party card carried out by Tony Blair.
tbh he cant say yes can he. Most of his MPs hate him as it is and are just waiting for an opportunity to back stab him again so out right saying he is a socialist wouldn't be the best idea. Also he isnt really a true socialist, but is paving the way to a future socialist labour party. He just needs to grow some balls after the local elections and purge the party of Blairite scum
TL;DR: he was opposed to it being removed, but he won't say whether he will go back. However what he suggests in the video is actually "CLAUSE IV DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH".
>tfw jez will never ask me how my mum is
Also yeah it seems like he wants to back but doesn't want to directly say it and will get around it by making a new clause thats basically the same thing but with extra shit added.
Just saw someone unironically say the UK should have an equivalent of a tea party, can't even imagine how poor that would go. At least I can live with the fact he probably lives in one of the safest Labour seats in the country so he's permanently annoyed by those around him.
Even when things look bad here I always think about how much worse our American comrades have it. Thank god we dont have a tea party equivalent
Dude we did: it was/is called UKIP.
You're kidding yourself if you don't think Corbyn's (and lets be honest here) minor success isn't going to inspire a far larger far right reaction.
It's been several months and no such reaction has happened.
Where do right-winger get these terms from? It's like one day they just turn on a dime and all start repeating the same insult. Like cuck, snowflake, and SJW were actually kind of effective terms (though I'd never actually use any ofthem), but these new ones like soyboy, low t, bugmen etc. all just sound stupid.
They all read the same shitty blogs and propaganda outlets.
Lad, you have it the wrong way around: Corbyn IS the reaction. To the recent financial crash we have seen a near-universal reaction across the cultural west, that of two movements bound together: National populism (UKIP, Tea Party, Southern FN, Western AfD) and Post-Fascism (BNP, Richard Spencerites, Northern FN, Eastern AfD). The reason the UK has a large far left movement now is that 1) the post fascist movement started to gain ground in 2005 and peaked in 2010, well before most in Europe 2) the two movements never linked arms in the UK like they have done in other places (Frances, Germany and America). As such, they fell apart quite quickly. You see Corbyn is the leftist reaction to the failure neoliberalism and the inability of right wing populisms to deal with the issues of the modern age.
We /Militant/ nao
Nah we're not: Militant never got Benn elected.
These are the policies btw:
>Abolishing council tax entirely for low income residents
>Bringing contracts outsourced to the private sector back in-house - in line with the aims shadow chancellor John McDonnell set out at last autumn's Labour conference
>Extending free school meals to every primary school child
>Using empty council properties as homeless shelters
>Discussing the launch of a not-for-profit lettings agencies, potentially competing with the private sector, to offer homes at less than the market rate
I've always found some irony in the way "for the many, not the few" was one of those unobjectionable Blairish phrases that came to embody Corbynism by accident.
Corbyn's success followed our moment of "right-populism" though.
(In Brexit, which yeah I know wasn't strictly right wing or even undesirable, but still. That was the illusion.)
NEED a labour government to abolish council tax entirely and introduce something-anything less terrible.
>NEED a labour government to abolish council tax entirely and introduce something-anything less terrible.
Iirc introducing a LVT to replace both council tax and dbusiness rates was in the good o' red book.
That's when the ruling class stops pretending they were bugs, and reveals they were features and we all get to live under a dictatorship
>Tory council runs out of money
So much for the fiscally responsable right.
Sad that Corbyn supports the Trans nonsense. He should be learning from the experienced second wavers rather than hysterical teenagers like Madigan
lmao cockshott is a TERF
>what is scientific consensus
>mao cockshott is a TERF
I think you have the wrong Cockshott, unless they are both TERFs.
The thing is he doesn't play it up much, he is pretty much like most britons: positively not giving a shit.
I figure the fight at the Rees Mogg meeting is worth bumping this thread for. The right wing mind is a fascinating thing. They are able to carry on behaving as if it was the protestors are at fault and the RM supporters even when there is footage of the RM punching a woman in the face.
>dsm-5 is science
an incorrect analysis
Honestly JRM scares me: there are enough people wanting to LARP Downton Abbey in this country that he could make his way to PM.
There are several flaws in this analysis:
1) Polls between elections mean fuck all, Kinnock was polling over 50% in 1991.
2) As for swing seats, things are actually changing quite drastically: for starters there is no such thing as a safe seat in Scotland anymore: literally we had people with absolute majorities get kicked out last time. The next election shall see an earthquake in rural southern England: Jerusalem shall be red again.
3) He didn't have it easy last election, the tory gaffs meant jack shit: it was the early manfiesto and the hype around it created by the leak (which I am like 99% sure was deliberate).
4) On him being fuck old, honestly I don't think he will make it to 2022 either: his aim is to reform the party so whomever comes after him will carry forth his vision without moderation. We are already seeing several leftist successors come in his wake.
It does look like we will have an election by 2019 , Richard Leonard made the point in an interview that the house of commons as it stands will never agree on the final brexit arrangement. There are enough hard brexit and pro EU torys to cause a stir and block the governments bill, unless somehow they come to an agreement parliament will end up in deadlock and would lead to another GE. Hopefully Corbyn will have sorted out the party. Does anyone have any ideas who his successor might be, Emily Thornberry seems to be the most likely choice for the soft left "unifying" candidate. I cant see John McDonnelll going for it but hopefully he stays on as Chancellor of the Exchequer for a bit. Dose anyone know any up and coming left wing candidates who could take over? Maybe Clive Lewis but he is seems too young still?
I worry about Thornberry, she openly said she supported "reforming capitalism" on QT like a year back. There are a few names tho, Laura Pidcock (the QT that says she wouldn't be mates with any tory MPs). Chris Williamson was a favourite until he quit after saying council tax should go up 200%. Keir Starmer is a bookies' favourite, although I don't know how quality his leftist credentials are tho. A few others are Rebecca Long-Bailey; who was actually one of the 36 to nominate Corbyn in the first place, Clive Lewis as you said; (who hangs around with Varoufakis, Zizek, is a part of DiEM25 and is a vet who is anti-war), Angela Rayner; who is not really that ideological (for either blairism or Marxism-Benninism) and just wants to fix the education system she feels failed herm (while admirable I am not sure if it is what we want) and finally Richard Burgon; who has Paul Robeson, Pro-Palestinian and Momentum stuff on his twitter.
So yeah there is a crop, but at the end of the day the leader won't matter much as it is McDonnell that is doing most off the leg work at the end of the day.
I agree. The one thing people are ignoring is that the real momentum (honhonhon) is not coming from Momentum but from leftist members joining and doing stuff. These people aren't ideologically trained, they just want shit to get fixed and they see the Labour programme as the means of doing this. They're proletarians of all stripes and are a part of the revolutionary subject: and they are being mobilised in a way not seen since perhaps the end of the second world war and the 1945 election. Time will only tell where we go from here, but if we keep the ship sailing I have hope we can fix this rotten country.
Made some OC, spread it: especially with your scottish mates.
Fuck me just noticed the spelling errors, if someone could fix it I would be grateful.
A white supremacist who plotted a machete attack on people at a gay pride event has been convicted of a terror offence.
>he was planning to use an axe and machete during the attack, but the plan was foiled after he told people about it on Facebook.
>he expressed his hatred of Muslims and Jews, and said in a WhatsApp message: "My country is being raped.I might just become a skinhead and kill people."
>The right-wing extremist had a swastika hanging on his bedroom wall and bought a new Nazi armband after his was taken by police when he was arrested.
>He claimed he posted comments on Facebook to impress far-right friends and was "ashamed" as he was bisexual.
>Stables was interested in the Columbine High School massacre
He was described by his barrister as "lonely and inadequate" and as having an autism spectrum condition.
The absolute state of /pol/yps.
>crease in the flag
Iron that shit you lazy twat.
>He claimed he posted comments on Facebook to impress far-right friends and was "ashamed" as he was bisexual.
jesus christ how horrifying
>Wee Wee Frees
The greatest rivalry in history.
The government spends ages confiscating knives but let machetes and axes slip by. Fuck's sake bobbies, are you even trying?
my son yuo are bisexual now, you must choose
>abandon ideology which literally considers you subhuman and thinks you should be exterminated
>go and murder other gays such as yourself to impress your nazi friends (?????)
Pointless twitter drama, but still bants.
with a possibility of a market crash, I hope you lads know what you duty is
[The Union of Wales has Capitulated]
>Union of Wales
I need more Mosley's, Mosley posting is probably the only genuinely funny meme the British right has ever come out with and Totalist Mosley is even better
Liberal centrist Jonathan Pie says antifascists are the real fascists
Mosley probably loved A Trip To The Moon.
>bunch of lads get in a ship
>crash into a foreign land destroying parts
>kill a few natives
>enslave one to bring home
He's a right arrogant cunt, who gives a shit what he says
UK to consult on employment status after gig economy concerns
Seems like they're at least trying to get somewhere with these "gig economy" companies.
UK to consult on employment status after gig economy concerns
>tfw you spoiler instead of heading
I worry about myself sometimes.
I think they are worried about the growing unionisation of the sector: with groups like the IWW (Yes, that one) and the Solidarity Federation starting to get workers organised. The irony is granting workers' rights is more likely to spur unionisation as to defend them.
it was a simpler time
I miss Ed Miliband tbh.
Haven't been following it too closely but it's good to hear the more radical unions are getting a bit of a foothold in there then. Jobs like that are just going to become more and more common so they're going to have to do something about how shit the workers are treated.
I'll take any excuse to post this image
Momentum sets up councillor network to target local elections
Honestly I am from Toryshire and seeing some labourites win would make me break my lent: giving up pornography.
>tfw just joined the IWW a couple of weeks ago
>Get the warm fuzzies seeing all the new activity its doing in the UK
>Local area group has doubled in size in the past month
Now if only the video bit of wobchat would work perfectly and we could go back to red cards that were actually red instead of the shit loads of badges design everything would be perfect
ANON PRAY TELL US MORE!
also, r u in Bristol?
Freemasons call for end to 'discrimination' of members
Okay what is it with all this Freemason shit recently?
No idea. Was eating breakfast this morning and heard someone on the tv spouting some weird shit but couldn't see the screen and apparently it was these lads. I always figured Freemasons was just like a LARP country club where you go to get pissed.
Nah, I'm not in England, in one of the non anglo bits
Its nice to see these sorts of things happening, but the IWW is still virtually invisible in the uk, I literally only found out there was a group in my area because my friend sent me a youtube video of them with like 15 views, gotta start getting the word out
>Wee Wee Frees
Sounds like some sort of piss fetish group
>"We must devolve powers, we must ensure that the people who are the real experts about the service levels, the workers themselves, the passengers and the consumers and expert management are brought together."
This looks good he wants the workers to control the nationalised Industries
Tories back ahead in the polls. What the fuck are Labour doing? Is the media sabotage campaign in overdrive?
Intra election polls mean fuck all: Corbyn was at 25% and Kinnock was at 52%.
Yes they are ultimately irrelevant, but I'm wondering what caused the drop.
There's been fuck all terrorism lately.
The jihadist movement's been losing steam since late-2016, maybe it's finally over?
>tfw not active in any political organisations
I don't have any connections with leftists tbqh.
Labour have been not rocking the boat. To my impression we've done nothing. (But then, I don't read the news.)
The Tories are in government, so they get to go on telly to announce their response to stuff they can't bounce, like Brexit negotiations, or any other ongoing event. In consequence, their profile is higher. Doubly because people don't really care about Labour stories when they aren't negative. It's not just coincidence that Labour's opinion poll standing skyrocketed the minute they were legally mandated to give both parties equal say.
At the same time that does raise some problems, since the extraordinary result last time might engender complacency.
>tfw sixth form dropout
>more leftist than anyone who went to uni
So much for the college campus left.
I'm at Sussex, and the "leftists" here are just demand-side weak-Keynesians.
pardon my tinfoil hat, but I don't think it's close enough to election time for there to be another attack
EVERYONE HERE NEEDS TO WATCH THIS
>getting called nazi on playground
Bullshit, any good British child would have called a brown haired German a Jew who got away.
I want to fuck this cunt
While its true that when it comes to 'human rights' and the military Corbyn doesn't have a hard stance as that would be electoral stucide and would do no one any good, he has consistently advocated, especially in recent months, the exclusion of Israeli and Saudi interests from UK government and has highlighted the government's support of them. Important to note the consistent attempts by zionists to sabotage Corbyn which in themselves show he is a credible threat to their interests.
The points on the Iraq war and Ireland are pretty bullshit. Corbyn did everything he could as an MP to oppose the war and condemning the soldiers rather than the government does absolutely nothing of value while giving his critics extra ammo and it doesn't take a genius to see that privately Corbyn supports a unified Ireland and Gerry Adams' constant endorsement reinforces that.
Pacifism is liberal bullshit.
So friends how can we assure Labour won't become another SYRIZA once in power
From my understanding SYRIZA was fucked hard by the IMF and the EU, they cant legally make any laws that would effect Greece's economy without going past them first and they just dont have the energy or will to fight back. Labour wont have those problems and will be pretty much free to do what it wants to do (once the purge the scum from the party)
Labor just had an "Alternative Models of Ownership Conference".
Read a summary from a Marxist economist participant here:
>However, the issues for me remain the ones that I first raised in considering ‘Corbynomics’ back when Jeremy Corbyn first won the leadership of the Labour Party in 2015. If public ownership is confined to just the so-called natural monopolies or utilities and is not extended to the banks and financial sector and to key strategic industries (the ‘commanding heights’ of the economy), capitalism will continue to predominate in investment and employment and the law of value and markets will still rule. Labour’s plan for a state investment bank and state-induced or run investment spending would add about 1-2% to total investment to GDP in the UK. But the capitalist sector invests nearer 12-15% and would remain dominant through its banks, pharma, aerospace, tech and business service conglomerates.
>There was no talk of taking over these sectors at the conference. That was not even talk of taking over the big five banks – something I have raised before in this blog and helped to write a study, on behalf of the Fire Brigades Union (and which is formally British Trade Union Congress policy). Without control of finance and the strategic sectors of the British economy, a Labour government will either be frustrated in its attempts to improve the lot of “the many not the few” (Labour’s slogan), or worse, face the impact of another global recession without any protection from the vicissitudes of the market and the law of value.
Good post and an important issue. However while it is important that expropriation takes place and we can hope that a Labour government would bring it about as unlikely as it seems, they would have to be entirely suicidal to detail a plan to expropriate the city finance and industrial capital.
Insofar as we are trusting in what is at heart a socdem party recovering from decades of neoliberal rule we can only hope that a Corbyn/McDonnell government would take radical action if push came to shove.
These polls arent important, the local bi-elections in the coming months will be a better insight into whats happening, currently there hasnt been enough this year to see a clear trend but there are alot coming up next Thursday. More importantly the local elections in May will be a good time to see how Labour has improved
I unironically wanna move to Britain so I can join the Blarite pruge gangs
I wish I had more spare time so I could join take part in the Momentum purging but I have a Maths degree to do. Even though it makes the Labour party look worse I love it when blarites complain on the news about being deselected. The revolution will be fed with Blarite tears
>the country you're from has had dumbass imperialist in the past who did mean shit and even though you're ideologically opposed to these people you still literally can't criticize any other country for doing mean shit
what sort of twisted fucking logic is this?
>He doesn't understand one of the best ways to end imperialism is to end the imperial policy of first world stats.
Corbyn has consistently throughout his life be anti-imperialist: be it anti-apartheid, anti-settlement, anti-Vietnam [insert Wilson.mp3 here], against the Iraq & Afghanistan wars and finally pledging to introduce BDS for both Israel & Saudi Arabia and stop the atrocities in Yemen. He will be the first proper anti-imperialist PM this country has ever had.
Eh even the locals in May are iffey: remember the 2017 locals? Still, the ones to watch are: Haringey, Preston and Salford. These are the three Momentum are targeting to introduce "municipal socialism" and if they win big we will have three 1980s Liverpool councils again.
Eh the removal of Blairism isn't actually that active: it is more subtle. They aren't being kicked out, they are just leaving. And in their wake they are being replaced by either legitimate marxist-socialists or genuine proletarians who while not up on theory just want a country that fucking works and is decently left wing. My CLP is a good example of that tbh, we doubled in size since the election and most of the new lot are at-least Wilsonites.
Tanks and MLMs gonna do what they do.
Yeah I agree the problem with locals, especially one off ones, is that local problems can be very different to national ones. 2014 local elections are another example of not to look at them too much. They showed a clear swing to Labour but didnt show the collapse of Labour in Scotland
Tbh I think we should less at if this will reflect nationally, and more if our agenda can be implemented locally.
Also would be interseting to see how well labour does in staunch tory areas, we have hope in area of the home counties for at-least a few more cllrs.
>Also would be interseting to see how well labour does in staunch tory areas
It would also be interesting if Labour can hold its seats in the north (especially the north east) where the did loose some support in the General election (ex-ukip voters going more towards Torys than Labour).
who /libdem/ here
we're centre-left, so we're on-topic
>Soc Dem Poster
Get the fuck off my board.
Does anyone actually know any libdem voters? I know one, they're rich which probably is part of it.
Tbh all my mates voted lib dem last time (mostly because they are upper middle class people who are class conscious enough to see the tories are against their own interests but fell for the "muh magic money tree" meme).
the real question is what constituency you're voting lib-dem in.
won't labour just keep capitalism going though? isn't it a good thing that the tories are breaking the system?
>If you want to spend 2 percent of funding on the army then you want to invade every country in the middle east
Wow great thinking lads not a single hole in that argument
Lads, we are about to face the longest walk-outs in universities for nearly 50 years, Who else is ready for some shit?
Just got back from the student strike support meeting, this ought to be good famrade.
>tfw the labour aristocracy are now the most class-conscious elements
tbf this strike doesn't just cover the lecturers but the Librarians, admin staff and PhD student-teachers as well. Lets not forget also the strikes that have taken place in other sectors as well like the bus drivers and train drivers, factory workers, shipyard workers and truck drivers. McDonalds workers unionised sucessfully last year and the CWU voted to take strike action but weren't allowed to go out due to some legal fuckery. Local council workers may end up going out on stike later in the year as well.
How do the Tories have any support at all? Are Brits just natural classcucks?
There is something that an American pointed out to me on here a few weeks back: Doctors in the US are petit.bourgeois because they buy shares in their hospitals: while Doctors in the UK tend to have a far more proletarian mind-set (being unionised and such) because there is a strict employer-employée relationship in the NHS.
Now the irony is that with the nature of new public management: the guy in charged turned from a bureaucrat in a grey suit (who was a part of the government) into effectively a capitalist boss. The marketisation of public services has in effect, turned those employed by them into proletarians in effectively all aspects. So, now we have mass unionised doctors, lecturers and teachers: all of whom are now acting out of class consciousness. It is yet another beautiful proof of the self-destructive nature of capitalism.
so will Labour's plans for alternative models of ownership turn workers into porkies and further entrench capitalist ideology
No they shall introduce De Leonism and issung dishing out State-Supplied GFs.
What does LeftyBritPol think of Mao?
He was daddy.
On a real, Chiang Kai would have killed more, but Chen Duxiu was infinitely better than Mao. Mao was pretty incompetent in a lot of things, although Zhou Enlai would have been worse: since he would have killed all those people deliberately and without remorse..
>“Everything is all fucked. And until Trump leaves the Oval Office, I will not think we are not fucked,” he says.
I want the 'everything was fine but then everything changed when the trump nation attacked' meme to die
Chiang Kai-shek was a traitor to the chinese people but Zhou Enlai was a pragmatist and wasn't a revolutionary as Mao. Why would he have been bad? Most of his career was spent being the voice of reason to Mao.
Zhou Enlai was basically the Chinese Beria: concerned with power and as you said: an unideological pragmatist. Instead of a cultural revolution he would have just purged people straight up.
Birts used to be naturally left wing but since Blair thats not the case anymore. I think a big part to it is people want someone leftwing like Corbyn but keep buying into the "magic money tree" "loony lefty" meme. We need to remind people that they are in fact left wing and support left wing policy
Problem is the left fell hard for the multiculturalism and identity politics meme. Normal British people don't want this. If Labour dropped it they'd be far more popular.
Is he though? Youth Labour and Momentum love it and they're his power base.
Go back to /pol/
Really? Because the Red libs are the one autistically screeching about him.
Blairites and the Labour right-wing are the idpol vanguard.
Half the gay men i know are liberal and that was before gay marriage was legalised. 1 in 5 gay men in france vote national front.
Truth is gays are bourgie. Maybe once they start getting married and adopting itll change
He has to be in power and then the economy has to tank for that to come to pass
I've never heard of this take on Zhou Enlai. Zhou's policies provided Deng with inspiration for 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧reform and opening up🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧. Zhou was a rightist, Beria seems to be an actual commie, well, more so than any other potential successor to Stalin.
>Zhou was a rightist
He was one of the founding members of the CCP and one of the key players in the communist revolution.
Autoloan crisis incoming.
Homeless man dies on 'doorstep' of Houses of Parliament
>MPs criticise government policies after rough sleeper pronounced dead in Westminster area, London
People are fucking dying on the steps of bloody Westminster Station: honestly we have reached a point that is too far.
UK Prime Minister May calls for fight to “defeat socialism”
>Prime Minister Theresa May pledged a renewed fight to “defeat socialism” before an audience of ultra-wealthy donors last week at the Conservative Party’s annual fundraising dinner.
>“Around the world, we see a rise of populism, nationalism and protectionism. We see the great positive forces of free trade, economic liberalism and the rules-based order which sustains them under threat.”
>There was no reference to the leading source of this instability in the shattering of the “rules-based order”—US imperialism—nor to the “terror threat”, which for almost two decades has been presented as the gravest challenge to British and international security.
>Instead, almost 40 years after Thatcher vowed to “roll back the tide of socialism,” and more than 25 years since the liquidation of the Soviet Union was given as definitive proof of the triumph of capitalism, May declared the task at hand was a “renewed mission … to defeat socialism today as we have defeated it before.”
What did she mean by this?
What does this mean? I means porky is immensely spooked. Keep up the good work lads.
So much for meeting triumph and disaster and treating those two impostors just the same.
May trying to go full Red Scare 3.0
There is actually a really good story about how a minister of technology and post-master general was actually a British spy for the Czechs during the cold war.
Just the Czechs?
Yes, specifically just the czechs.
>Excluding DKs 54% of those polled supported the reintroduction of national service.
Just watch them fucking do it.
>40 years after Thatcher vowed to “roll back the tide of socialism”
The tide goes out before it comes in, Mrs. Thatcher.
Actually why though? Even from an army perspective all you need to do in a war now is to get some lad to pilot an army of drones to bomb a school and soon enough a robot will do that for him. Their only arguement is calling younger generations pussies for not wanting to kill people in the name of the state and porkies interes which is purely feels > reals.
Honestly hope I don't turn out like that when I'm older and if I do throw me in the fucking gulag.
Well it's for sure the Army doesn't want to have to deal with a load of younguns. The only kind of people that want these are those who want the youffs of the streets and think it will deal with the "snowflakes". The irony is that they would be teaching a generation that hates them how to use weaponry.
>Blairite defends PFIs
OUT OUT OUT
Their "Vote Liberal Democrat" headline of 2010 and the constant Obama dicksucking should be enough to put anyone else off.
Apocalypse now for Britain’s retailers as low wages and the web cause ruin
>Big-name stores are teetering on the brink. Without radical action to bring back shoppers, UK high streets will be wrecked
Today on this episode of "Marx is proved right yet again": The falling rate of profit as applied to consumer retail.
The high street deserves nothing more than a painful death. Just walking down them makes me depressed.
>Comrade Rosen is spreading class consciousness amongst the future proletarians
>Imagine being this delusional
I don't get it, is he taking the piss out of lolberts?
Yes and no: he is more highlighting the inherent aristocracy that exists in Britain.
he kind of is
the third one is the most obvious one probably
Honestly I am just fucking hope they lower interest rates on tution fees: fuck 3% on 9 grand that I can't even pay back.
I wanna live in the Daily Mail's fantasy world to be honest
This makes no-sense as the capital of the Soviet Union doesn't have -grad in it. If anything like Manchester or Liverpool would be Jeremygrad.
are they even being serious at this point or have they been reduced to shitposting
of course it doesn't make sense it's the fucking daily mail
Wouldn't it make more sense if it was Corbyngrad, since Lenin was his last name, Stalin was the last name etc.
Tbh the Daily Mail make good fanfiction.
Why's everyone mad at Mary Beard?
>Why isn't the Daily Mail making sense?
She had the balls to defend Oxfam and said someone along the lines of "tbh it is hard to keep up civilised behaviour in a disaster zone".
This whole scandal reeks of "let's cut the foreign aid budget through sneaky methods" tbh.
>This whole scandal reeks of "let's cut the foreign aid budget through sneaky methods" tbh.
I wouldn't go that far. The current infrastructure of NGO's and foreign aid actually undergirds globalizing capitalism: it provides the first world with indulgences, tax-breaks, and also serves as a job-creation machine for the managerial class, so I don't think the elite wants to get rid of it.
On the point of what the Oxfam people did, it is bad: they are supposed to use their resources to help people, and some of it ended up going to buy under-age prostitutes. They fucked the people they were supposed to help. But otoh, she is also right; it is a disaster zone inside of a country that had already disintegrated under imperialist preasures. The people working in it are going to get desensitized and act out even of they weren't crooks to start out with. And there's also the power relation that arises between them and the locals who are dependent on them. UN missions run into this kinda stuff all the time, where peacekeepers and aid workers end up abusing the local people. Things like this scandal are unavoidable. It does not suddenly turn Oxfam into some more evil organization - it's entirely a systemic problem.
Oh I agree with that analysis, but the specific thing about Oxfam is that it has been hitting out against globalism and neoliberalism and has criticised austerity: so suddenly some dirt arises and boom their funding goes strikes me as immensely fishey.
State of Cuckbyn.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
I'm gonna guess you're the same salty /pol/yp. Ask yourself one question, if Corbyn is in league with the ebul establishment why do Tories, Lib Dems and Blairites try to take him down? He is the only person critical of Israel in British politics atm and has the balls to stand up to the puppet masters of western arms manufacturing: the Sauds.
>we don't believe the MSM's lies
>JEZZA'S A COMMIE SPY DESPITE THE FACT THE DIRECTOR OF THE CZECH SECURITY FORCES ARCHIVE HERSELF SAID THE STORY IS UTTER BULLSHIT, ADMIT IT YOU'RE ALL CUCKS
The absolute state of /pol/yps
fucking pathetic mate
I swear these articles always have a picture of Corbyn on a bike for some reason.
it's because bikes are actually existing socialsm
Does this answer your question?
>Why would anyone be against an ideology that wants to force unwanted sexual activity on others?
Reminds me of Comrade Robbie Rotten
No, there really, really, really, really, REALLY wasn’t a youthquake
TL;DR: in the 20 seats with the largest turnout upswings, they have average 18-24 turnout but the 25-44 turnout increased massively. Basically the Millennials aren't maoists: everyone that isnt a boomer is.
It is to do with the "Chairman Mao Bike" thing. Legit. Also I believe it is to make him look less "statesmen like".
Thats real stupid for so many reasons. It's weird how negatively they treat it anyway as if bikes are some kinda demon.
>fuck you for having less emissions, less space and getting exercise. Stay couped up in a car like the rest of us you fuckin' commie
The revolution will arrive on a bike.
Well you see bikes are things of the "urban liberal metropolitan elite": the REAL WORKING CLASS drive 4X4s around the home counties.
I mean I wouldn't expect Stefan to be right wing. Guy lives in Iceland.
I think my mind is broken trying to figure out the thought process that could lead someone to actually believe this. Surely a bike is the ultimate working class transport? Cheap and reliable. I fondly remember riding with my nan on her bike through the town to the local shop, sounds like a tradcucks dream.
The only ways I can think how people get to this is bikes are for pussies and liberals are pussies thus bikes are for liberals. Either that or companies convincing people that bikes are shit so they buy their overpriced cars.
I know this is pointless but I need something to do at work
Bikes are simultaneously popular with the poor, with the young and with stereotypical arty, smelly leftist types and very, very unpopular with the rural and suburban middle and upper class, at least as a form of transport, as even a very poor person can afford quite a good one and they don't really function as status symbols in the same way a really nice car does, a nice bike is only really a status symbol in cyclist subculture and then only when married with ability and in fact the bikes that the average person will likely find the most appealing and nice looking are the most utilitarian ones
>54% share has only been beaten once, by the Conservatives in 1968 with 60%. They won all but 4 boroughs. Labour's highest share was 53% in 1971.
Corbyn is about to outdo Wilson. SocDem gang just can't stop winning.
Hopefully the mask will slip and we can see DemSucc arise from Succdem after the election
Well Haringey and Hackney are having campaigns literally being run by Momentum so we will see at-least some Sewer socialism.
Also Barnet will be an interesting one to watch: it has the largest jewish population in London.
from this "graph", did green voters start supporting Labour? Or did people who didn't vote before started actually participating? Also where the fuck did that 7% UKIP went?
Anon, a lot of that 7% from UKIP went to labour.
And here you have fallen for the "Purple is closer to blue" fallacy: a lot of UKIP voters were labour voters who didn't like Blairism and wanted to leave the EU. Now Labour has its red balls back they are coming back to the party.
Is anyone in the know on the National Youth elections for the Labour Party, who are \ourguys its always impossible to tell from the candidate statements they always word them to appeal to as many people as possible without giving a good insight in their political beliefs
Momentum says: Leigh Drennan for chair, Lara McNeill for NEC.
I do love a good Aneiling
I do love a good Aneiling
>In a speech in Derbyshire, the Prime Minister admitted the "competitive market" in tuition fees had not emerged, and most universities charge the maximum
wow what a surprise
>Theresa May has admitted Tory tuition fees policy has made British universities among the most expensive in the world.
>The Prime Minister will launch a year-long review of higher education funding, just six years after they tripled tuition fees limit to £9,000 a year.
>Meanwhile in NI
I;m always interested in what people from the mainland think of our little shit hole, things are getting really weird here
The uni strikes start today, remember not to cross the picket lines.
I asked this like half a year ago but I think I should ask it again.
What does the average brit think about May and the Tories.
What about Corbyn and labour?
What is an "average brit"? I don't even know anymore…
>A land tax, where a percentage of the value of the land is levied annually
that's peak fucking socdem. It sounds nice though but I doubt the tories and the libdems or even the snp would ever agree to this
Thank you for posting this. It made my day.
fucking terrific mate
Actually this has been Lib Dem Policy (lowkey) for a while, there are sympathetic tories and iir SNPers too. LVT is weirdly universally popular, especially considering it comes from a branch of economics that literally no governments have ever actually implemented (although Sun-Yat Sen tried).
Also I saw some polling in the Times: literally no one gives a shit about the Czech thing. 64% of people feel the same, only 6% of people think worse of Corbyn. The best part of it though is that 6% of Britons also feel BETTER about Corbyn after the Czech spy allegations.
6% of Britons are KGB agents?
No, 6% of Britons are leftypol lurkers.
>Explosion on immigrant street
What are the odds this is a far-rightist?
>>Explosion on immigrant street
Sounds like the name of a really dodgy R L Stein book. I'm just looking forward to seeing who /pol/ tries to blame it on this time.
Seriously though, I'm pretty sure every sizeable urban area these days has an incredibly depressing set of shops around the "ethnic areas". londis, costcutter, maybe some polish shops, some halal shops, a black barber's, carribean grocer, some greasy takeaways, and a betting shop seems to be the general structure, give or take a few elements.
I do get depressed looking at some of the deprivation around my town tbqh. The utter state of these outlets, their clientele, and the housing is truly dire.
When the government tries to do something about shite areas, they just "move the problem around" (Nothing has changed since Engels made the observation in the 19th century!)
By the way, just so you don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying the prescence of shops catering to minorities is depressing, I'm talking more about the dilapidated nature of the streets.
MADE BY GEORGIST GANG
Jeremy Corbyn makes Unite's Andrew Murray a part-time consultant
>Former communist, loathed by those on Labour’s right, will help hone party’s Brexit strategy
Why does Labour keep on trying to make be break not fapping to porn for lent?
>Murray joined the Communist Party of Great Britain in 1976 and became associated with its Straight Left faction. At this time, Murray became a close friend of Seumas Milne, who was also active in Straight Left. Murray's allies during the period have been described by Francis Beckett as "more extreme than most of the Stalinists I knew. The Stalinists were known as ☭TANKIE☭s, but Murray’s lot were super-tankies".
As I said on the Corbyn thread, I don't understand the ☭TANKIE☭s on Leftypol that spend their time whining about Labour.
>"Next Tuesday is the 120th anniversary of the birth of Josef Stalin. His career is the subject of a vast and ever expanding literature. Read it all and, at the end, you are still left paying your money and taking your choice. A socialist system embracing a third of the world and the defeat of Nazi Germany on the one hand. On the other, all accompanied by harsh measures imposed by a one-party regime. Nevertheless, if you believe that the worst crimes visited on humanity this century, from colonialism to Hiroshima and from concentration camps to mass poverty and unemployment have been caused by imperialism, then [Stalin’s birthday] might at least be a moment to ponder why the authors of those crimes and their hack propagandists abominate the name of Stalin beyond all others. It was, after all, Stalin's best-known critic, Nikita Khrushchev, who remarked in 1956 that 'against imperialists, we are all Stalinists'."
Holy shit is he Hoxha-poster?
So Corbyn has come out in support of the Customs Union, thoughts? I agree it is a pragmatic move but I am worried it will cuck us out of being able to make proper trade deals to support leftist nations.
He has sort of said nothing though. It seems he wants "a" customs union not "the" customs union so at the moment it doesn't really mean anything without the details of what the customs union he wants. Which seems to not really be much different to what is being offered by the Torys its just the wording. So it seems just to please the moderate pro-Eu labour voters as well as give the pro-EU tory MPs more of a reason to vote against the final Brexit agreement. This speech is more to do with trying to make the current government fail then actually Brexit policy I guess he wants to try and get a general election as quick as he possibly can.
I can see the first one, tbf a Norway style deal with regards to trade (not hte single market) where we are join on some issues but on others we are not could work in the medium term: at-least until someone like Melenchon takes power in France and decides to shake the whole thing up. One other thing is that it needs to allow us to make our own sanctions so we can deal with certain nations Turkey and remove sanctions on others Venezuela.
As for political savviness, I think it is a good move, we will need to see how it plays out with leave voters but eh.
As for heading for a new election ASAP, I think that is a bad move tbh. Labour is still sorting itself out internally and I think a few more pieces need to fall into place before we can get the train rolling at top speed. I would say give it until just after brexit has been negotiated tbh.
I think this would take effect on the final vote on brexit which would be early 2019. We kind of need an election soonish since Corybn is getting old and there inst really anyone good with enough experience and credibility to take over.So it seems the plan is play the long game: put pressure on the Torys in these Local elections (which could lead to Labour nearly having complete control of London) as well as make every brexit vote as difficult as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Tory leadership bid after the elections in May followed by a even bigger split over Brexit with a possibility of an General election late 2018 early 2019. We could even see some soft Torys like Anna Mary Soubry maybe going Libdem
That seems a perfectly sensible assessment of Stalin.
What's with the "lmfao"?
The problem is if we do have an election before brexit: what the fuck happens then? How is a deal going to be made unless they reset everything? The brexit deal made will still be the tory's.
They are fucking idiots that think you can have an All-Union Communist Party without having a Russian Social Democratic Labour Party first.
Well the deal for the 2 year transition period will probably end up being the same but what will happen after that could be changed considering if the government fails to win a vote on the final agreement then its not legally binding in the UK but we have to leave the EU after triggering article 50 so who knows what happens then
The real problem you're forgetting is that most of the posters, ☭TANKIE☭s included, are yanks and thus have neither any conception nor experience of working class politics.
Ameritanks are the worst tbf.
>Jeremy Corbyn makes Unite's Andrew Murray a part-time consultant
>Murray’s lot were super-tankies
why are people still talking about "soft" and "hard" brexit? Does it really fucking matter what you call it? I think it's pretty obvious what Britain can and cannot affor if they don't want to go bankrupt in four days.
They had no meanings to begin with, it started with "HARD = GOOD SOFT = WEAK" but then switch around in terms of positivity and now nobody fucking knows.
the nobody fucking know part kinda characterizes brexit as whole in my opinion
I agree. I mean it is seen perfectly with this announcement: Corbyn said he doesn't want to join the customs union, he wants to HAVE a customs union with Europe. The nuance of this entire situation just cannot be handled by the media of this day and age: all of this was designed for a time period where shit was done behind closed doors and that was that.
In other news:
Jon Lansman tipped to stand for role of Labour general secretary
>Momentum activist expected to be popular grassroots candidate to replace departing Iain McNicol
Burger here, where do ya'll stand on Brexit? Maybe I'm stupid but it seems doing Bexit seems that ya'll will be chaining yourself to the U.S as a trading partner as well as more politically.As much as I would like to see a leftist Alliance between the U.S and U.K trusting Americans seems pretty foolish. I mean I'm American and I barely trust us.
Answered your own question. I'm considering moving if UK goes down any further. Might turn way too neoliberal to live in once brexit happens
Was tempted to vote to leave (the EU is a capitalist hellhole), but voted remain in the end (the only alternative was to align closer with the US).
I think leaving the EU had definitely polarised British politics to the degree where Corbyn has a shot at forming a government, but I'm sort of worried the economy will crash quite shortly, and if Labour's in power they'll wind up blamed for it.
Well that's the thing: upper class brexiteers want to get closer to the US, but most working class brexiteers want either protectionism or the ability to self-manage the economy. The two stances are going to butt heads sooner or later and it will take the wind out of the tories' sails for a long time.
But regardless, you cannot implement democratic socialism in on countryside inside the EU unless you are Germany or France so leaving is the best thing for now.
Leaked images of Corbyn mercilessly sniping tories from his balcony.
Honestly I will die a happy man if I ever get the chance to have a pint with Jez.
He can't keep getting away with it.
I've been in the pub with him (before he was leader though). AMA.
Did he ask how your mum was?
On a real, is he that nice in RL, or is it an act? how competent do you think he is, do you think him naive or is he really aware of the threat of coup against him.
>Did he ask how your mum was?
Nah. Said I had a good hat though (I had a ushanka at the time).
>On a real, is he that nice in RL, or is it an act?
He's really nice, from what I remember he spent most of the time talking to his old Trade Union and LRC mates. Bought a bunch of the younger people that were hanging around pints though. Absolute unit.
>do you think him naive or is he really aware of the threat of coup against him.
This was about 2013-14, so well before all that would have even come up (and most of the chat was about the independence referendum). I know people in LOTO & Momentum HQ spend a fair amount of time thinking about things like that, not sure they've ever really come up with a practicable response if it were to happen.
> Bought a bunch of the younger people that were hanging around pints though
God I wish that was me
unrelated to everything, but why do LeftyBritPol threads never become cyclical?
They used to before the leftpol split: we are "ebul liberals" now.
They're very on and off so they go dead until a big news story pops up
but there's a lot of quality discussion in these threads. Also a lot less amerifags so it's a lot more civil
Well I guess all those constant flag threads can't help
TL;DR: literally we either get a topaz brexit under someone like Gove or Mogg, or a national government will have to be formed of soft brexit tories, lib dems, SNP and blairites…
cause plenty of people moved to /leftpol/
cause plenty of people moved to /leftpol/>>2368798
thought: is the LGBT+ rights movement in the UK less bourgeois than that of the USA?
partially just thinking of Lesbians and Gays Support the Miners but it would seem like there's probably a plausible historical narrative to that idea. the underlying conditions of British society and politics would seem to lend to a more genuine alliance between the desire for social liberalisation and the implementation of social-democratic economics in the Labour party than what you'd find in the US Democratic party, which can much easier afford to place all their eggs in the first basket.
maybe it's something to do with top-down leadership vs bottom-up activism. or maybe it's just the fact that your average Genderqueer Palo Alto Google employee holds more wealth than the bloody Rees-Moggs.
Well I mean it WAS Wilson that decriminalised homosexuality, but that is neither here nor there.
Tbh, I think a lot of the L&GStM has to do with Maggie's anti homo policies.
But there is also a lot of bourgie stuff in the modern movement: has a lot to do with its Americanisation.
*sells you a newspaper*
What are the tier lists for British Socialist papers? I don't know much about them. There are a lot of organisations nowadays
>Socialist Worker (Trots)
>Socialist Appeal (Trots)
>The Socialist (Trots)
>Workers Hammer (allegedly Trots but seem to be more edgy and have more retarded positions like supporting ISIS)
>A bunch of others
Are they mostly just the same? Are any of the Trot splits in the UK actually significant?
I know there's also Solidarity (paper of the AWL, Trots), The Clarion (paper of momentum, AWL front?), Morning Star (CPGB, probably the closest to mainstream)
Is the only one I've ever actually seen sold myself in recent years but then again I don't really check very often.
Same you can find it in most Co-ops even if your living in the south and are a lot more common in the North
They sell it in tescos where I live
what is it with trots in particular and having such a huge focus on selling papers
I mean there are worse things to do, but
from my understanding Appeal (IMT) and Worker (IST) split because the IMT are enryist and accuse the IST of being ultraleft in militant tendency days
if you think about it it's pretty obvious. Trotsky mostly operated in the west during the 30's. He was a communist, so of course he wanted to target workers with his writings. Radio did exist, but many poor people didn't own one. The only way he could reach out to workers was through newspaperssince it was a cheap and easily accessable medium.
wait are there actaully co-ops in Britain? What are they like? I'd love to know. Things like this are considered "bolshevism" where I live.
Co-op is just a supermarket chain in the UK, its not reffering to actual Co-op/
Yeah there just like a normal shop but give some money to charity more. I believe the workers get a cut of the profits at the end of the year as well. Histrionically we did have more proper Co-ops but they have faded away. We do still have a "co op" party still but it is merged with Labour (more or less they are still separate but in terms of elections the same) I dont know if they actually are for proper co-ops or not though
The "Co-OP" is a chain of supermarkets, its not a full on co-op, it still has a hierarchical structure etc. but the workers do have more say in how things are run than usual and get a cut of the profits at the end of the financial year, IIRC they also have some better conditions and benefits and more say in how those conditions and benefits evolve compared to the average workplace
Christ lads, why are most left-wingers on the internet so fucking snarky and unpleasant? Not you lot though, you're alright
I am a card-carrying Tory.
Has anyone been getting involved in the uni lecture strikes this week? Its pretty good opportunity to talk to lefty's and bring them further left. Also fun to find out your lecture is a proper socialistic.
No one cares
You care enough to reply.
100 Labour members are threatening to leave over the ruling about transwomen in the party. That's 0.016% of all current members.
How will Labour recover?
Blairites on fucking suicide watch
>The Prime Minister fired back at the Labour leader after he said the day was a chance to celebrate and reflect on women’s rights and consider the abuse of human rights in Saudi Arabia.
>Leaning across the despatch box, Mrs May quipped: “Can I thank the right honourable gentleman for telling me that is it International Women’s Day tomorrow. I think that’s what’s called mansplaining.”
>She said: “Labour backbenchers are shouting shame. The link that we have with Saudi Arabia is historic, it is an important one and it has saved the lives of potentially hundreds of people in this country.”
>Mr Corbyn said she must call for the end of “shocking abuse of human rights” in Saudi Arabia at her meeting with Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman.
>She replied: “I welcome the fact the Crown Prince will be sitting down with a female Prime Minister.”
Absolutely livid right now. I wish someone fucking shoots the bitch and the saudi faggot while they're at it.
When the tories start attacking you from the liberal-left, you know victory is at hand.
Corbyn still refuses to say that Saudi Arabia and Britain are committing genocide in Yemen.
>Mr Corbyn added that 600,000 children in Yemen had cholera "because of the US-Saudi bombing campaign and the blockade", and asked why British arms sales to Saudi Arabia had "sharply increased".
>"Germany has suspended arms sales to Saudi Arabia but British arms sales have sharply increased, and British military advisers are directing war," he said.
>"It cannot be right that her government is colluding in what the United Nations says is evidence of war crimes. Will you use your meeting today with the crown prince to halt the arms supplies and demand an immediate ceasefire in Yemen?"
He's literally said today that both are actively committing war crimes, a starvation campaign and should stop.
He won't call it genocide. Everything is "war crimes," the imperialists are deliberately committing genocide.
Good God she really is insufferable
Walked past the UCU strike picket today. Anyone involved at all? Hope they get on well though.
Wasn't expecting that. I guess it answers my question though. Didn't realise it was on until I saw you guys. Always nice to see some red flags on my lunch break though.
Correction, there shouldn't be such thing as British cuisine.
>He dosen't like monster munch and black pudding
Look at the state of you
I was on there too, I was one of the guys selling papers. It's good to see a strike so solid and confident. I always get bored during rallies, I prefer the marching and chanting.
Corbyn opposes Momentum leader Jon Lansman’s bid for Labour’s general secretary post…http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/09/lans-m09.html
Is this just wooswoos the splitters' paper of note being contrarian Trot cunts, or is there something to this?
I think its too do with Corbyn wanting a women to have the role and since the women standing cant remember her name is pretty left wing then it makes sense. I dont really understand why he doesn't want Lansman to run maybe to not split the left vote?
fuck me, what happened to that pic
Imagine being this delusional
>heinz baked beans
is this real? please be real
i have to find out if they're selling this here
Is it worth reading neoclassical economic theory?
It seems so fucking boring.
>One threat to the liberal order comes from Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party. Mr Corbyn is a classic left-wing populist, convinced that life is a never-ending struggle between the virtuous masses and the wicked elites. Some of his main advisers are Marxists who regard political institutions as instruments of class power. Mr Corbyn became leader by bypassing Labour MPs and appealing to party activists. He has warned right-wing newspapers that “change is coming”. John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, called for a million people to take to the streets to protest against the result of last year’s general election. High among Labour’s priorities is repealing legislation that prevents co-ordinated strikes
What did The Economist mean by this?
Yeah but from a Marxist professor.
>shitting yourself over a kindly old SocDem
>High among Labour’s priorities is repealing legislation that prevents co-ordinated strikes
As it fucking should be.
And another thing: Companies should have to pay their striking employees. Not the full pay rate* - but say 50-70% of normal wage. If you provoke your workers into a strike, you should pay regardless. The stability of their conditions is more important than the stability of enterprise cash-flow.
*I mean while I'd personally like people to go on strike just because it's summer and it's more comfortable on the picket line than in the office, it might make the policy too easy to repeal…
I've been going in to help strik on the days I've had lectures. I'd go in everyday but I'm sadly doing an MA so I need to dedicate an ungodly amount of time to researching my final dissertation. The strike seems to have been relatively successful here, although its week 4 now (the final week to my knowledge) and a lot of people are starting to get sick of it. Still we have managed to convince rather a few people to either join the picket or go home.
As an additional, someone keeps scrawling 'Scab Receptacle' on the dustbins near my Uni.
>Mr Corbyn is a classic left-wing populist
what? How? Why do liberals love calling evrybody who has actual political stances a populist?
Whilst I'm willing to admit he has 'popular' policies, some of them are popular for legitimate reasons. Again, Liberals can't seem to fathom that people want actual economic change instead of limp-wristed social policy that promises much but delivers little.
populism is a specific thing where you posit the existence of an elite that is controlling everything to the detriment of the common/ordinary man.
this should stand out particularly to the left because it's particularly apparent from the right, where they try to paint Labour as the party of gays, weirdo trade unionists, feminists, communists, vegans, animal rights clubs, doleys and immigrants. who are of course either part of the liberal elite, or their playthings. (so naturally we should vote for a derivatives trader from south of watford to depose those elites and rule in the interest of the REAL common man, namely Richard Littlejohn.)
while the forces that propel Corbyn probably have in large part a populist root - that is, the same undercurrent force that propels populists to power, Corbyn is an interesting case because he's not really a populist at all, he lacks the personal demagoguery, and his narrative has significantly greater vintage than "NAFTA means we're being ripped off in trade". Much like the SNP, he's been an interesting relic of the prior order thrust into an advantageous position.
the problem with liberals is that liberals don't do politics. but there's another one - and this one is more baseline, and perhaps why Corbyn can appear populist, and where he comes closest to populism: He has a story he can tell you. mp4 related. What was Clinton's "story"? What was May's story? Cameron had a story - the last government spent too much, we're going to have to do hard things to make it better. Blair had a story. The leave campaign had a story. The Scottish 'Yes' movement had a story. The 'No' campaign had scare stories but no story.
Reminder of the latest election polls
- LAB: 44% (+1)
- CON: 37% (-3)
- LDEM: 9% (+1)
If you support Corbyn and you're not a Trotsky you're not even entry level labour.
>Take part in voting via e-mail
>Vote against al lthe blairite peices of shit
>VOTING FOR CORBYN WILL LITERALLY BRING STALIN BACK FROM THE DEAD TO PERSONALLY EXECUTE THE ROYAL FAMILY AND STOMP OVER LONDON WITH HIS IRON BOOTS, USHERING AN AGE OF EXTREME ISLAMIC COMMUNISM
L M A O
>put up this statue of thatcher or you're a sexist
Whew lads. It would be mildly entertaining to see how fast it got vandalised if they did put one up though.
They had to put the last one in Parliament to stop people. If it's not under guard I bet a tenner someone will having her head as a doorstop in a week.
it looks like british liberals are worse than burger ones…
they invited Farage to "diss" the EU. Fucking Farage. PragerU is the single worst thing on youtube. And the retarded amerifats are praising him in the comments, saying shit like "My favourite thing about this channel is they don't get some random guy to talk about the issue, not even someone who studies the subject, but someone who has first hand experience on the issue and can give insider information." Like holy shit why are ameircans so fucking dumb
does anyone have some good IRA memes for St st Patrick's day tomorrow?
Here's your Republican meme starter part.
Little homemade edit from a Mechagamezilla video
When Blair (pink) says he wants to "reclaim the middle ground"
>MKZ love on /leftypol/
>what level of political spectacle are you on
>maybe like 3 or 4 my dude
<throws fish in the thames as a form of protest
it amazes me how Farage manages to stay so fucking irrelevant after basically getting the UK the leave the EU
From the right, looking left, Corbyn offers real solutions to three serious problems: housing, health and wages. He is also up against a very weak government that is incapable of delivering on these same three issues for complex reasons.
If you're hurting in this country, and in desperate need of an alternative, Corbyn is the only "make it stop" candidate. "Strong and Stable", on top of being a fraud, also meant more of the same.
Corbyn's best chance for a governable majority with a leftist agenda is for Theresa May's negotiation to collapse. "Brexit" has become a lose-lose situation for the Tories. Victory in a GE depends on people loathing the Tories more than Corbyn. That means getting liberals, brexiteers, globalists on board.
Don't fool yourselves into thinking there has been a far-left revival, until 2017, nobody with national platform has been making the case for that. Corbyn benefits from a referendum crisis and almost a decade of austere neoliberal government. Future public support for socialism will depend on Corbyn making good on government "for the many". Should Labour succeed, he will then be in the position to entrench a permanent realignment that could unwrite Thatcherism and its children.
if this left resurgence will have any chance of survival in the UK the tories MUST be the ones doing Brexit
brexit will be utter shit any which way, and the average voter will only remember the guy who's in charge while it's all going down, not the retards who actually pulled it off
Crime is one of the issues that interest me, the way its been surging for the last year or so is a really interesting measure of how much things are going to shit at the moment. Any London fags here to comment on this? The news is going apeshit about crime in London right now, does it feel as bad as they say it is? I know theres definately more shootings and stabbings going on than uual here in Liverpool.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Now get off the computer Tony.
Anyone else waiting for some big pedophile scandal for the Tory's
ahahaha fuck me
now just put tony blair's head on the little guy (morty?) instead of the us flag
Fucking hell the tories are trying to one up eachother on "NO IM ARDER ON RUSSIA", pretty entertaining.
May trying to do her psudo-Iron Lady Thatcher rip off is embarrassing it would be nice if we didn't try and restart the Cold War again.
Thing is they are trying it at a time when we are most isolated and our army is dogshite: and they literally cant win becuase there is nothing TO win. The Falklands worked because it was a short snappy war, this is a slow burn crisis at best. It has already faded from the news.
Why are there only Trot organisations that are prominent and doing anything in the UK (at least among students)?
Should I join one despite not really being a Trot?
to clarify, I am aware of the existence of the CPGB-ML and such, but their membership size seems insubstantial and are usually very old
I went in on his Patreon, the podcast that came with it is comfy as hell, and I'm saying that as someone who couldn't get into Mean Bean Machine.
lmao jezza sacked owen smith
Nah, most form losey goosey broadfronts that are behind labour now anyways. There used to be the SWP, but they turnednout to be rapists. Best trot group is either AWL, Communist League or just momentum.
Twatmonger deserved it.
they are compete shit.tbh Momentum if you are in the right place can be proper lefty and is the currently the best organization at promoting the left. The only probably is converting center left people into social democrats, but I find this isnt too hard among young people and students, might struggle a bit with older members.
He had it coming I just cant wait for mandatory re selection.
Is anyone here know how the deselection of candiates like Ben Bradshaw, Chuka Umunna and Owen Smith is going?
Bit trickey atm, not much change on deselection. Most efforts have been on locals recently: a blairite bourgh mayor in London got deselected and Haringey may elect a socialist council again.
I heard about the mayor thing, I think where I am still has big support for Blairites even with a student population
Jewish groups attack Jeremy Corbyn over anti-Semitism
Jews going into panic mode about Corbyn again.
>The far lefts obsessive hatred of zionism
Can someone fill me on what the fuck the Labour antisemitism scandal is actually about, I was a liberal when corbyn was elected leader and missed the start
Is it literally just opposition to zionism or has it something to do with all the trots in the labour party?
its just cause of opposition to apartheid/zionism
anyone on the left who isn't anti-zionist isn't on the left
You mean a single member was involved but some in the disputes committee who oversaw the case knew the man involved personally. Also, to put things into context, the dispute was brought forward a certain time after the fact which alters the effectiveness of the police. Since then the SWP have completely revamped their procedures to focus on independent inquiries.
Google Bex Bailey
It is hypocrisy to suggest anything to do with Labour. People just don't shit the bed when they see Labour, Catholics or Conservatives organize students. There are many more cases of rape and assault within these groups.
I heard a lot of momentum groups end up talking way too much about internal party conflicts. Is this true?
Literally just "stop being mean about Israel, you are clearly just ANTISEMITES!"
original guy asking about trot groups here.
>I heard a lot of momentum groups end up talking way too much about internal party conflicts. Is this true?
yes. I went to a few meetings with some trot pals from uni and almost all of it was this. Also, almost everyone in the room was aged like 60+ and they seemed very gracious for our attendance.
isn't being behind labour and critically supporting corbyn the best position atm?
Since there haven't been any opinion polls since the whole antisemitism thing does anyone think it will actually make a difference. People don't really pay attention to politics outside of elections and local elections are still a month away. I have a horrible feeling Corbyn's ability to resit attacks by the media are going to start to fail
Polling from the Livingstone case shows the public don't thin Corbyn is an antisemite, but I am seeing a v interesting counter reaction going on to all pf this: almost Trumpian in a way. Jewish people coming out in support of Corbyn v explicitly. And with supporters like the Jewish Voice paper, there is an interesting counter reaction.
Still tho, I hope at least some of the actual anti semites (who are mostly memeri tier wanks or de facto nazbols) get purged: they are as much cancer as the blairites.
Oh also John Woodcock is a snake.
You could be right, I wouldn't be surprised in a week that everyone has forgotten about this.
Purging anti-Semites is pretty easy but purging blairites is seeming a lot harder. I think Momentum is now officially campaigning for mandatory re-selction. I guess when you could have a general election any time in the next 4 years you dont want to rock the boat too much.
One way to ensure reselection is to go to the 600 boundaries.
They almost certainly wont go to 600 MPs, the boundary changes are kind of fucked because they took so long to work out the data is now pretty old (2011 I think) and unfairly helps the Tory's. Also no MP is going to agree to cutting the numbers they dont want to loose their job
>watching Peep Show on 4OD (yeah I know I know, I don't torrent on my PC)
>figure I'll tab out and wait for them to run through
>realise five minutes later that the fucking ads pause if you leave the tab
For fuck's sake.
I honestly think the opposite. Just like the boy who cried wolf every time a ridiculous unsubstantiated smear is made against him that's forgotten about a week later it makes it even harder for any genuine criticism or a non-ridiculous smear to stick.
If the man can survive "he was a COMMUNIST SPY" AND "he hates Jewish people" what chance does a Milliband-style bacon sarnie pic have?
On this note: Super Hans was in Doctor Who.
This tbh. He has reached "trump level" teflon.
have the tabs you wont to look at in a separate window on one half of the screen and then ads in the other half, then mute the ads.
His base supports is pretty strong idk if that's enough to win a general election by itself though
Originally thought they were a blairite outfit, but the stuff i've seen seems to be pretty decent.
Hey Brits, Kraut here. Recently the whole "Corbyn = Antisemite" gained traction in our media, how do I argue against liberals who are convinced that Corbyn and the Labour Party are raging antisemites? I was linked this as "proof":
I know nothing about Brit politics but from an outsiders perspective Corbyn seems to be pretty cool and this sounds like your same old smearing campaign. Is there a compilation of debunking this shit or proof that Corbyn is not an antisemite?
I wish he was an antisemite. Alas, as you suspected, it's just the usual slander against those who dare to challenge neoliberal economics (not that Corbyn is even particularly extreme in that sense).
Unbelievably, the media over here are still going on about the whole "Hitler was a zionist" fiasco.
This is literally just a shift in tactics by blairites and conservatives
They tried smearing him as a pinko commie that wanted to cut Richard Branson's hands and feet off and throw him in a small room with a starving pig but then it turned out that young people liked that sort of thing, so now they're going after him for being an antisemite because he doesn't like Zionism
The entire crux of the controversy rests on him speaking up for an artist being censored for anti capitalist art that featured a figure that kind of sort of looked like the happy merchant if you squinted
Also bring up that one of the Jewish pressure groups that responded specifically mentioned "the far left's outrageous hatred of zionism" in their open letter about it
The issue is that there are actual anti semites in labour, but this is being turned into a witch hunt.
The tories have fucked up though, they called for a day of debte on it in the commons: which will alienate normal jews that just don't want to be harassed since it overtly been made party political.
They have got fucking Eddie Izzard on the NEC
I think this antisemitism thing has worked Corbyn is fucked and with no one good to replace him.
I guess we wont know how badly this has effected Labour until May's local elections so you never know
Eh the NEC is still majority leftist.
The anti-semitism thing is not going to impact things that much, it is mostly liberals and conservatives reeing on twitter: the general public honestly don't care (although unfortunately he is likely to gain the support of actual anti-semites now).
As for people to replace him, there are actually quite a few: Lisa Nandy, Clive Lewis, Chris Williamson all spring to min. At the end of the day the brains of the operation is John McDonnell: if he is still shadow chancellor the ideological basis of the movement is secure.
As for the local elections: it will have zero impact outside of barnet (which has the highest jewish population of any local gov district in the country). The tories were fucked from the get-go, this crisis, if it has an impact, will swing people towards the lib dems, not to the tories. And besides, national politics tends to have v little impact on local elections most of the time: my CLP has found only one person in all our canvassing that mentioned the anti-semitism row. This is a major moment in the party, but honestly I think we will come out of it stronger than before, not weaker.
Want some fucking rage fuel? He is now on the lab NEC. You know what pisses me off? He mentions his fucking marathons more than actual cocking policy. He isn't a blairite because he has no fucking convictions, just feelings about shit. Fuck me sideways.
I just don't get it
surely they needed to hold an election to fill the spot
I mean clearly they didn't, but why?
The reason is because he was next in line in the list. Despite its rapid growth into a mass membership movement: the Labour party's institutions are still keyed towards oligarchy and 200k members (this is one of the reasons why it takes months for some anti semitism claims to be dealt with, the mechanism isn't designed to handle this many people). As such, despite the radical move to make members of the NEC elected, they didn't create any casual vacancy procedure besides "the next in line gets it".
Considering Labour is a party that is unique in Europe in terms of its composition, these are teething problems that will need to be dealt with .
>“We have a food bank, so we give out food parcels, particularly on Fridays, we buy clothing, we do a lot of buying, particularly coats in winter and shoes,” Regan said. “We’ve had children who haven’t come to school because they didn’t have shoes. We’ve gone and bought shoes, taken them to their house and brought the child into school.”
jfc, this is some 1900s-tier shit man.
Parents are a big problem in this. For example I have known parents who were drug users and didn't feed their children because they spent all their money on drugs, so the school had to. The social services didn't care either because they did not consider the children at risk because they were not at threat of violence.
I'd estimate that about 70% of children in dire need come from families were the parents are too irresponsible/incompetent to care for them properly rather than it being an issue of poverty.
Nice statistic can I have a sauce with that?
Joking aside alot of my family works in social services and they would disagree with you about this. Saying that poverty does often leave to drug abuse, moreover its hard to look after your kids if your working 60+ hour weeks on minimum wage
I did say that it was from my own experience. I work in a very deprived area so I think I see a lot of the reality of it.
Drug abuse leads to poverty, the other way is not so clear cut. Also it is not just drug abuse, it is just parents being downright terrible at being parents.
>60+ hour weeks on minimum wage
Please bare in mind that where I work most of the children come from families were people have not worked in decades.
New Guido hit piece
>Jeremy Corbyn attended an event tonight hosted by a far-left group that has called for the destruction of Israel, dismissed the Labour anti-Semitism scandal as a “cynical manipulation” and labelled Corbyn’s Jewish critics “non-Jews”.
>Jewdas describes itself as a “radical” group that “opposes capitalism” and wants to “overthrow the state”
>It has tweeted that “Israel is itself a steaming pile of sewage which needs to be properly disposed of”
>It is viciously critical of mainstream Jewish groups. Last week it attacked the Board of Deputies of British Jews and the Jewish Leadership Council response to the Labour anti-Semitism scandal as “playing a dangerous game with people’s lives”
>It dismissed the Labour anti-Semitism scandal as a “bout of faux-outrage”
>It claimed the anti-Semitism row “is the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party”
>In a blog post on its website four days ago, it labelled Jewish Chronicle editor Stephen Pollard a “non-Jew”
>Corbyn could have chosen to meet with the Board of Deputies, the Jewish Leadership Council, the Jewish Labour Movement or another mainstream Jewish group. Instead he went to Seder with Jewdas, a far-left group which is shunned by mainstream Jews, called for the Israel to be “disposed of” and has launched vitriolic attacks against Corbyn’s Jewish critics. For Corbyn to meet such a group is outrageous, but to do so after everything that has happened over the last two weeks shows a complete contempt for mainstream British Jews. This is going to be very, very difficult for Jezza to explain…
I'm honestly very upset right now, this could potentially end Corbyn's leadership. If the media spins it that Jewdas is an anti-Semetic group then Corbyn is finished.
I'm especially worried about the Isreal tweet. That is going to be used as evidence that Jewdas is anti-semetic.
I don't think Jewdas are anti-Semitic and I don't see anything particularly objectionable here myself apart from the Isreal tweet, but fucking why would he attend this meeting in the midst of this media shitstorm around anti-Semitism. The absolute fucking madman just gave the blarites fucking dynamite.
The group is a Jewish group its not antisemitic at all.
if the media manages to label a jewish group as anti semitic I'm gonna fucking lose my shit.
>Jewish group is now anti-semitic for criticising Israel
At least the bbc says they are a Jewish group. Which is pretty surprising considering how openly anti labour they have become this past month or so
As I said in the thread about this: it is backfiring and the actual jewish community is getting tired of this shit.
To note, he wrote a v good piece in the Guardian about the concepts of anti-semitism and is not a rabid Corbynite whatsoever. The best part is Eagle and Woodcock described this as anti-semitic, and now a load of people are tweeting quotes from members of the Jewish community saying "lol no this is actually kinda a good thing".
There is going to be a debate on anti-semitism on the 4th, I think for the tories it is not going to go as well as they would have hoped. I hope Ed Miliband pipes up, would be entertaining.
It does seem this is a all guns blazing to undermined Corbyn, with even the BBC taking party. Corbyn is certainly weakened by whats going on and could have dealt with it better but does seem to have survived it. Who knows what the next attack will be, I hope Labour gets some plans on how to cope with these attacks.
they don't mention it in the headline which is the only thing a lot of people read.
I have seen so many non-jews shout this is offensive and actual jews say this is fine, the house of cards is coming down. The locals will be fine and the liberals will have an aneurysm trying to work out how.
I'm expecting (and hoping) a similar thing to the General Election. That week of liberals being interviewed trying to explain how they got it so wrong
>this could potentially end Corbyn's leadership
Okay I completely wrong about this.
The absolute boy has just played a blinder.
He's literally just baited blairites into criticising him for attending a jewish event, thereby exposing their hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of the smear campaign against him.
He's a fucking genius master of 10D chess
I think the real brains is McDonnell or Lansman but this is turning out a pretty good move
John Woodcock and Stella Creasy have been reported to teh whips office: this could literally get them kicked out of the PLP. Fucking hell Jez never stop you are a fucking hero.
Actually apparently this was an event he was going to anyways, just turned out to be a fucking absolute blinder.
Holy fucking shit Jewdas as based as fuck.
>John Woodcock and Stella Creasy have been reported to teh whips office: this could literally get them kicked out of the PLP.
Being kicked out of the PLP doesn't mean a bi-election does it? Do you have a link to this
They probs won't: but John Woodcock has talked of walking already. I really fucking hope he joins the tories: a blairite joining the conservatives would end the project once and for all.
The icing on the cake would be beating him in the subsequent by-election.
It doesn't have to, but in the case Woodcock resigns the whip, its customary but not required for MPs to resign and fight a by-election.
This. His seat is nearly a pure lab-con marginal, so it is difficult to see where he would go. Even if he is an independent, the tories need the seat so I imagine they would nominate someone still. Now I have heard (any local anons to Cumbria correct me) but that he is personally unpopular, so it is possible if he were indy/lib dem that either him, the tories or lab could win. Would be fun to watch.
>passing on memes which we recieve from God
The General rule is opposition wins bi-elections, and considering how quickly Labour could flood the area with activist compared to the conservatives it will almost certain stay Red. The question is who Labour nominates to stand
Eh these are weird times: also if Woodcock goes Lib dem (or they run in alliance with him) it could just-as-well go to them.
Will be fun to watch regardless.
Holy shit, it turns out Port Down can't even fucking prove the Nerve Agent was produced by Russia.
THE ABSOLUTE BOY WAS RIGHT AGAIN
You know what fuck it he is the next Lenin: he has just absolutely destroyed the two last attempts to destroy him.
>criticizing giving Ethiopian Jews birth control without their knowledge or consent is now anti-Semitic
>not condoning genocide of jews is anti-semitic
This won’t hurt Jeremy. None of his supporters think he’s anti-semtic. And the people who currently don’ support him don’t care if he was.
>"They raised a beetroot and shouted 'fuck capitalism' "
Honestly Jewdas are my new favourite group they're beyond based, we need a new term for them.
Anyone else think this recent hysteria of knife crime in london is a pretext for something?
It went down to its lowest in 2014 only to "suddenly" spike up then after. I'm thinking it's a pretext for another huge wave of gentrification and social cleansing. Whip up enough fear among the middle classes who are already living in london and none of them will care will "problem people" are forced out into the outer rim.
I distinctly remember in 2006-2010 the same mass fear about knife crime, and I can also remember a huge flood of middle class people moving into london soon after.
I mean, we only really know what the media permits us to know, they are the narrative. And when they want us to know of another social plague - whether it be terrorism, benefit thieves, young people; they will.
It just seems like we ALWAYS have some big fear gripping the country, or some social illl that needs immediate addressing.
Yet in this case, I'm certain that it's all a justification to push the remaining poors out of london, to go forth with more redevelopment and to meet the demand for housing in the city (for wealthy people).
Crime has been sort of stable for a while, there's nothing freakish about the recent string of deaths save their coverage.
Nothing to do with housing, those goals are too abstracted from simple crime/object control. The end state of this will probably be checkpoints inside major government buildings (already the case in America), hospitals, stores and apartment buildings. A knife ban will extend to all types of knives, except ones with a rounded tip to prevent stabbing (without modification). This will obviously be done to oppress people and control them.
This isn't even the end of it, the true end of this road are battery bans and controls over cleaning chemicals to thwart acid attacks.
I've seen a couple of anti-knife posters up in town recently so it's obviously something they're trying to push. Obviously think that we're going to lead a revolution wit a couple of knifes.
Mostly unrelated but I read today that suberbs outside the city in the US are considered areas where the rich live wheras here thats where most concil estates are with the poorer population.
The nation that invented liberal capitalism… is a whore to American capitalism.
>Anyone else think this recent hysteria of knife crime in london is a pretext for something?
it's just your standard alarmist news exaggerating the scale of the problem to sell to outrage junkies. Who knows, it could lead to social cleansing by whipping up fears, but I highly doubt it's intentional.
>It just seems like we ALWAYS have some big fear gripping the country, or some social illl that needs immediate addressing.
I'm sure this is right though, it's a way for society to collectively project its existential fears onto something.
Westminster voting intention: CON: 42% (-1) LAB: 41% (+2) LDEM: 7% (-1) via @YouGov, 04 - 05 Apr
The jew thing really didn't work did it
I personally don't see it as that insomuch as it is Lab infighting allowing the Tories to continue being shit, worthless and incompetent. There is absolutely no fucking reason why May should continue being in power but she is because half of Lab has their heads up their asses over Brexit.
Like seriously let's sit here and imagine a scenario where Lab (Corbyn or otherwise) leans 100% into Brexit, at least saying that it should happen. May would suddenly have to deliver a hard Brexit a thing most Tories do not want. The tables would be flipped and we'd get a nice fat Lab majority. But nooooo this can't happen because half of Labor is so utterly cucked by idpol and wants another Blair or god forbid a Macron.
The salt on twitter is going to be great.
Eh nah, remember even during the poll tax and the Maastricht crises neither Kinnock nor Smith nor Blair could oust the gov. Governments fall because their backbenchers rebel, not because the opposition is especially good.
Also on the Macron thing, this hype around David Miliband is starting to worry me a smidge…
I was right, the twitter salt is glorious.
In other news the BNP is officially dead as anelectoral force.
The BNP were dead the moment a remotely competent party, UKIP, came along. And even UKIP leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to being a functional organization.
And UKIP is dead now
Former SWP here. It became part of their business model once they started shedding members even before the whole comrade delta scandal. The routine goes a little bit like this:
>hopeful member buys papers
>induct him/her into party since papers are only available from SWP stalls
>member becomes fee paying (the emphasis on signing up quickly and efficiently with handing over credit card info is scary here)
>induct new member to sell papers
>6 months later now grizzled and cynical trot splits/leaves party in disgust, hopefully he/she recruited more than 1 member to replace
>new member embraced the cult, they will now sell papers forever = PROFIT
Brit trots are basically bottomfeeders. Half the party is oriented around the paper because of how much cash rolls in, it's easy to peddle the papers away (or at least it was) at any big demo or march that happens bringing in loads of cash. And the overheads for the paper are tiny because they use their own members as unpaid staff and even transport. I have a story about how an organiser called me up to take a train down to Manchester to pick up stacks of papers and deliver them all the way up to Glasgow. This is apparently how they distribute them across the country. They even asked me if I could pay for my own ticket, but I was getting disillusioned by that point so I insisted they cover it.
tl;dr brit trots are a failed pyramid scheme
>>realise five minutes later that the fucking ads pause if you leave the tab
>black mirror irl
Post yfw Labour mops up the BNP vote thanks to the anti-Semitism smear
Kinda makes sense why they target uni students though, they're in it for 3 years and in that time they recruit enough people.
Half the salt on twitter was "hurr durr BNP voters joining labour"
I think that this rappresents really well neo liberal globalist ideology. If this women was a muslim there would be (fake) indignation all over european media. But she is a russia, so evil, so fuck her remeber tho, corbyin is a fascist because he doesn't want unlimited and uncontrolled immigration
Oh god please let this happen. I want the tories to get their own SDP
There are actually viable replacements for May now? What's going on?
Well the thing is, if the London tories go: the Scottish ones won't be far behind…
Literally the top three replacements in terms of bookies' odds are: Rees-Mogg, boris and Gove. The tories are fucked.
>Literally the top three replacements in terms of bookies' odds are: Rees-Mogg, boris and Gove. The tories are fucked.
Are they actually more popular alternatives to May? Last I checked nobody liked May, but they liked all alternatives even less.
>brexit deadline is now less than a year away
who's prepared for the absolute carnage that will result from it? can't wait
Amidst the members "none of the above" is literally the most popular among members. Only two people could run the tories well enough not to have it die totally: Ruth Davidson and Rees-Mogg. The former would lead the party into a new era of effectively blue blairism, bringing it into the centre. The latter would either be the tory Corbyn or the tory Foot: a radical that would either flop or attract massive support. However, much like Foot, Mogg has the potential to split the party also: moderates hate him, the Scottish tories hate him (he is avidly anti-devolution) and he would never get a deal with the DUP (he is catholic).
The world economy will have crashed harder than 1929 by then and all the absolute geniuses in this country will blame brexit for it just like they did labour for 2008.
Mogg is hated by everyone in and out of the party. Philip Hammond is the most likely candidate as Ruth Davidson wouldn't be able to run (she would have to be a MP) but is fairly popular. The Tory's are fucked May is useless but anyone else could end in a split of the party. If the local elections go really badly for them we could see May kicked out. I think its pretty unlikely it would have to be a pretty bad result.
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This would be great if it happened though
We have reached the bump limit haven't we?
Looks like its time for a new /leftybrit/ thread some time soon
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>While figures from across the political spectrum are said to be involved in Franks’s project, much of its policy platform appears to be aimed mainly at a liberal, centre-left audience. Potential policy proposals include asking the rich to pay a fairer share of tax, better funding for the NHS and improved social mobility. However, it also backs centre-right ideas on wealth creation and entrepreneurship, and is keen to explore tighter immigration controls.
Here you go
Hope it's actually reached bump limit, otherwise this is awkward
>get their retarded neolib policies rejected wholesale by the electorate
>"lets make another 'centrist' party"
they just don't give up do they?
I've no idea why they don't just rebrand the Liberal Democrats (which is what Tim Farron wanted to do), and pour the money into that.
Tony Blair and Nick Clegg were supposedly meeting quite frequently over it, suppose it all went to shit after the 2017 GE.
Ruth Davidson could crush Corbyn to be honest. She'll appeal to the bourgeois lib dem voters and ardent remainer neolibs. Especially if she goes for soft brexit. Heck she'd probably attract a few right wing Labour MPs to join the Tories.
On the other hand, while I expect Mogg wouldn't be that popular amongst the public, if he appealed to enough people to get elected then he'd fucking destroy this country. Endless and harder austerity than even Greece endured. Mogg youth thugs marching in the streets and beating up muslims. It's horrible to imagine.
Because a "sexy new party" gets headlines. What they will do, if they get any traction whatsoever, IS form an alliance with the lib dems and eventually consume them.
Now how about John Woodcock jojns the and we get a thrilling byelection, eh?