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File: 85adc74851fe198⋯.png (84.75 KB, 722x807, 722:807, 0bb1a0ee0d5fc2d62084dd6e6a….png)

 No.2368489

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5418556/tory-backbench-boss-sir-graham-brady-begs-angry-mps-not-to-call-leadership-contest/

"I read the news today oh boy

The tories were planning to oust her again

And then the news was rather glad

And I had to laugh

When I saw Boris in the photograph"

 No.2368556

torys in shambles, nice

side note: when you post an article in your thread, post the headline in ==Red== so that people can figure out what the thread is about without clicking.


 No.2368566

File: 1f6b11da0344dc6⋯.png (229.38 KB, 400x400, 1:1, hitchens neet.png)


 No.2368576

>>2368489

You know when even 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧The Sun🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 writes something thats not jerking the tories off they're doing bad.


 No.2368595

>>2368489

I really like this Beatles reference.


 No.2368651

File: cc00308019fc0fa⋯.mp4 (2.96 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, No plans for expenditure i….mp4)


 No.2368658

File: 7bd3f3bb86559e7⋯.png (80.25 KB, 529x327, 529:327, 1504555166589.png)

File: b7a8b3c0bf65fcf⋯.png (443.18 KB, 600x1179, 200:393, 1970 election.png)

>>2368651

>you don't live in a timeline where harold won the 1970 election


 No.2368663

File: 73d931331ae1980⋯.jpg (21.63 KB, 640x360, 16:9, tony_benn.jpg)

>>2368651

>>2368658

>You don't live in a timeline where Benn took over from Wilson instead of Callaghan


 No.2368778

File: dd5e55a106cbe59⋯.jpg (549.63 KB, 1280x1600, 4:5, labour.jpg)

>>2368663

It was always going to be Sunny Jim though the liberals of the party would of rathered the Tories won than Benn win an election.


 No.2368798

Why is it so dead in here these days


 No.2368805

>>2368798

Because BO decimated our board


 No.2368813

>>2368805

you're standing on a beach blaming canute for making all the water disappear


 No.2368830

>>2368489

Bumping cus leftybritpol threads are always quality


 No.2368831

>>2368658

(screams in Keynesian)

>>2368663

>>2368778

For all he was laughed at as unelectable in 1983, he got surprisingly close in 1976. 43.8% Foot/56.2% Callaghan. (137/176 respectively.) He's probably the more realistic leftish choice for leader.

The problem on the left is, of course, that Foot was first and foremost a party man. The conscience of that party, but a party man, where Benn was an ideological man treating the Labour party as a vehicle. Still, it would've made the late 1970s even more interesting times.

Sometimes I wonder what things would be like had we undergone the 1980s under Denis Healey as a British Bob Hawke expy. (i.e. charming funny labo(u)r man overseeing the transition to neoliberalism, with all the misery that entails.) That's less an economic question (we'd be miserable and poor while the city made bank, plus ça change.) and more a cultural one. It's hard to imagine Healey occupying the same place in the public imagination as Thatcher did, and it also raises all kinds of questions about how impregnable that administration would appear. (Do the Conservatives pivot back to Heathish paternalistic Keynesianism, or promise to be more Healeyite than Healey?)

To get that outcome you probably need Wilson to win 1970 then lose 1974, though.


 No.2368842

You lads seen the news thread?? Trump seems to think that if the government banned us protesting his arrival, that would actually stop us. How quaint.


 No.2368870

>>2368831

Eh we'd be more like France: the ideal would be betrayed a few years into the 1980s (see: Mitterand) then Labour would slowly die as neolibs took over (think Blair but Blair doesn't win anything) then we would see a popular leftist take back control in the 2010s…

Wait a second this is just our timeline with less privatised shit, wtf.


 No.2368925

>>2368842

Am I blind 'cause I can't see it. Also I think if they did that it would actually make more people go. If there are protests when he comes I'll probably go even if they are likely gonna be liberal hellholes. Maybe if they did ban it they would become more radical.


 No.2368956

>>2368842

>Implying liberal middle class fags, freaks and trannies are going to stop his visit


 No.2368964

>>2368956

Didn't you get the memo? Trump said that if your protest sign is funny enough or has a sick enough reference he'll resign.


 No.2369007

File: e2b8fd7cba754a1⋯.png (1.69 MB, 1433x746, 1433:746, When you've had a few1.PNG)

Just came back from the Labour NHS rally with Corbyn.


 No.2369038

got a feeling the tories will scrape to a win at the next election

although that's fine too. these morons are on the verge of destroying capitalism.


 No.2369062

File: 798e9fa12867e10⋯.jpg (1.1 MB, 2048x1536, 4:3, 798e9fa12867e10bb10a3156b0….jpg)

I’m a Labour party member with nuanced views – but to Momentum I’m a “Blairite”

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/01/i-m-labour-party-member-nuanced-views-momentum-i-m-blairite

Blairites on Suicide watch


 No.2369066

>>2369007

Any good?

>>2369038

Nah, and absolut deadlock that cannot be broken without a re-election on a different voting system is the only real way.


 No.2369071

>>2369062

>"I have been a Labour party member since 1996. I will never forget the feeling of elation on the morning after the landslide 1997 victory. "

He's a blairite.


 No.2369079

>>2369066

Jon Ashworth was there and was quite good speaking at some length about Labours plan to rebuild the NHS. Idea of housing, social care etc being a form of housing was mentioned throughout and later reflected by Corbyn.

As far as mentioning the dirty S word, Corbyn said that Labour is a party of 'Socialism and Social Justice' and that 'Socialism in action is the NHS'.

The whole thing felt like the NHS was a battering ram to make case for collective action and public ownership.


 No.2369090


 No.2369091

File: 3b3acd44737d30a⋯.png (323.12 KB, 576x566, 288:283, 9d5490abc31e97d2b9db546487….png)

>>2369062

>defending public-private partnerships


 No.2369100

>>2369079

Yeah, polling today shows that people think the NHS is now more important than brexit.

>>2369090

Oh look, it's muff poster.


 No.2369144

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5427253/pm-could-face-no-confidence-vote/

Three more Tory MPs call for PM to go amid fears of ‘meltdown’ in May’s local elections

ARBEITER BAUERN…


 No.2369558

What did leftists do to stop Blairs new labour from taking over? How do you think they felt when he won in 1997?


 No.2369635

>>2369558

I mean Corbyn was going around saying "Blair is a twatmonger" for most the period.

As for why he won, it's simple: The lib dems were strong and the tories were absolute fucked.


 No.2369800

File: b1a0a35e689178c⋯.png (223.04 KB, 1228x677, 1228:677, IMG_2666.PNG)

This is what right wingers actually believe


 No.2369811

>>2369800

Wow No fucking point made his entire post

What a shock

What is this "Art" he was talking about?


 No.2369814

File: 31cf56946087870⋯.png (202.61 KB, 2527x994, 361:142, Churches_of_Scotland_timel….png)

the christcom-trot synthesis


 No.2369834

>tfw work coach is making me do The Prince's Trust

Bitch


 No.2369836

Want your opinion on a matter involving an anon's encounter with monarchists in /leftytrash/.

If the English monarchy is dissolved (assume it's still liberal democracy) will the crown would be allowed to keep all the land they legally own from the 1600s (which they still own today)?


 No.2369841

>>2369836

>legally own

From my understanding the crown doesnt only own the land in theory (much like most of the English monarchy's power). The state would probably "force" the crown to sell the land to them since the state currently controls the Crowns land and receives the money it makes.


 No.2369854

>>2368956

I didn't say they'd stop it, i just mean that regardless of whether its legal, there will still be large protests.

>fags freaks and trannies

We aren't American, queers are literally some of the most class conscious people in the UK, and im not joking.


 No.2370380

>>2368964

Can we get crowds of people to make an 'orange wanker' football-style chant? Straight forward, but has some bants potential.


 No.2370518

Anons, what do you feel are the reasons for the low productivity of the UK? In my perspective I feel the low wages and poor housing prospects saps people’s incentives to work hard. What do you feel are likely reasons? How could we solve it?


 No.2370519

>>2369854

>tfw my coworker is a gay neoliberal who thinks the USSR was worse than Nazi Germany

>unironically said ‘communism doesn’t work because people don’t want to work if they all get paid the same’


 No.2370738

>>2370519

It could be partially that I live in the shithole hellscape that is Cumbria, but most good leftists i know are queer. Knowing one neoliberal queer isn't an excuse to alienate a group with huge potential to be radicalized.


 No.2370824

>>2370738

Oh, I didn’t mean to imply that, I’m trans myself. It’s just that a lot of gay people subscribe to weird conservatism. I think it’s partly a mix of ‘fuck you, i got mine’ the other groups now that homosexuality is becoming more or less accepted, and also because some wanna feel part of the traditional culture and not part of a counter-culture.


 No.2370933

>>2370824

Actually i agree with you, my fellow tranny. I think a lot of middle aged gay men find themselves falling in line with neoliberal bollocks because they want fit in. Sorry if i came of as hostile, just so many people on leftypol are anti queer its kind of hard to tell


 No.2371232

>>2370518

low investment, low skills, bad management culture, weak demand.


 No.2371485


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 No.2371494


 No.2373233


 No.2373234

>>2373233

IT'S THE BEST SYSTEM WE HAVE


 No.2373241

Also turns out young turnout didn't increase that much: the Corbyn revolution isn't just for edgy students lads.


 No.2373511


 No.2373517

>scroll through this thread

>muh NHS

>muh trannies

Should have known this shithole would be full of mentalists. Get yourselves checked out, lads.


 No.2373527

File: cdfbbddaecc4c92⋯.webm (8.97 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, happening_rate_of_profit.webm)


 No.2373551

>>2373517

You know lad, as a rugby player I am kinda a fan of a health service that is free at the point of use.

>>2373511

Tbh this is boring, it is not going to help anyone.


 No.2373588

File: c4fff01bd7ba900⋯.mp4 (2.66 MB, 600x360, 5:3, nikke.mp4)

>>2373233

Capitalism's the best and brightest when it comes to breeding its own enemies, as usual, it seems.


 No.2374610

File: 84d9b7a34987b55⋯.jpg (57.41 KB, 620x442, 310:221, Heath Resigns Death.jpg)

In the real world Heath won 1974 and oversaw a disastrous period of strikes and high inflation which lead to a period of Labour dominance through the 1980s. After taking power at the beginning of the decade, the benefits of North Sea Oil to the treasury were immense with a significant proportion being stored offshore in a sovereign wealth fund. Neoliberalism was still the dominant global paradigm, and many people will never forgive Labour for the consequences of the end of full employment, but nonetheless Britain retains railways and airlines in state ownership (albeit the latter as a for-profit state owned enterprise.) and the trade union movement remains strongly influential in the politics of the Labour party, with a majority of the last Labour cabinet having some form of association with a trades union.

We live in an alternate history dystopia to that reality where it's assumed since Labour won, we can butterfly effect Heath's corporatism and fear of unemployment out of the picture and replace him with the second or third maddest person on the Tory front bench…

We'll keep on going, of course… but in what manner?

it's actually a fun sort of "they are both the worst" situation, since if you do accept this story then Wilson only won two elections, meaning Blair beat him. Of course, a radical centrist bipartisan compromise is to have Labour win 1974a (meaning Wilson has equalled Blair), then lose 1974b (1975?) to a Con/Lib coalition that nosedives into the ground in 1979-80.


 No.2375356

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/31/shares-in-uk-government-contractor-capita-plunge-40-after-profit-warning

==

Capita: almost £1bn wiped off value of UK government contractor==

>Grim state of outsourcing firm’s financial position emerges two weeks after collapse of Carillion

Looks like another one is going down lads. Also can this thread be made cyclical yet? Leftybritpol is one of the best parts of this board.


 No.2376342

Labour plans to make landowners sell to state for fraction of value

>Exclusive: party proposes raid on private land to cut cost of building new council houses

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/01/labour-plans-landowners-sell-state-fraction-value


 No.2376833

>>2376342

Corbyn is going to make Mao look like a fucking liberal


 No.2377072

https://solidarity.scot/corbyn-moves-right/

>He was asked by Marr whether he supported recommitting Labour to socialism by once again including the phrase about public ownership of the means of production on the party card. Corbyn said no, he was quite happy with the redraft of the party card carried out by Tony Blair.

FUCK


 No.2377095

>>2377072

tbh he cant say yes can he. Most of his MPs hate him as it is and are just waiting for an opportunity to back stab him again so out right saying he is a socialist wouldn't be the best idea. Also he isnt really a true socialist, but is paving the way to a future socialist labour party. He just needs to grow some balls after the local elections and purge the party of Blairite scum


 No.2377126

File: 671aded8e44681d⋯.png (130.95 KB, 226x273, 226:273, 671aded8e44681d8f6b121c2a1….png)

>>2377072

>>2377095

https://youtu.be/5b8_rp1GY7k

TL;DR: he was opposed to it being removed, but he won't say whether he will go back. However what he suggests in the video is actually "CLAUSE IV DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH".


 No.2377137

>>2377126

>tfw jez will never ask me how my mum is

Also yeah it seems like he wants to back but doesn't want to directly say it and will get around it by making a new clause thats basically the same thing but with extra shit added.


 No.2377152

Just saw someone unironically say the UK should have an equivalent of a tea party, can't even imagine how poor that would go. At least I can live with the fact he probably lives in one of the safest Labour seats in the country so he's permanently annoyed by those around him.


 No.2377170

>>2377152

Even when things look bad here I always think about how much worse our American comrades have it. Thank god we dont have a tea party equivalent


 No.2377172

>>2377152

Dude we did: it was/is called UKIP.


 No.2377190

>>2377152

You're kidding yourself if you don't think Corbyn's (and lets be honest here) minor success isn't going to inspire a far larger far right reaction.


 No.2377200

>>2377190

It's been several months and no such reaction has happened.


 No.2377202

>>2369800

Where do right-winger get these terms from? It's like one day they just turn on a dime and all start repeating the same insult. Like cuck, snowflake, and SJW were actually kind of effective terms (though I'd never actually use any ofthem), but these new ones like soyboy, low t, bugmen etc. all just sound stupid.


 No.2377211

>>2377202

They all read the same shitty blogs and propaganda outlets.


 No.2377270

>>2377190

Lad, you have it the wrong way around: Corbyn IS the reaction. To the recent financial crash we have seen a near-universal reaction across the cultural west, that of two movements bound together: National populism (UKIP, Tea Party, Southern FN, Western AfD) and Post-Fascism (BNP, Richard Spencerites, Northern FN, Eastern AfD). The reason the UK has a large far left movement now is that 1) the post fascist movement started to gain ground in 2005 and peaked in 2010, well before most in Europe 2) the two movements never linked arms in the UK like they have done in other places (Frances, Germany and America). As such, they fell apart quite quickly. You see Corbyn is the leftist reaction to the failure neoliberalism and the inability of right wing populisms to deal with the issues of the modern age.


 No.2377274

We /Militant/ nao

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42920547


 No.2377276

>>2377274

Nah we're not: Militant never got Benn elected.


 No.2377286

>>2377274

These are the policies btw:

>Abolishing council tax entirely for low income residents

>Bringing contracts outsourced to the private sector back in-house - in line with the aims shadow chancellor John McDonnell set out at last autumn's Labour conference

>Extending free school meals to every primary school child

>Using empty council properties as homeless shelters

>Discussing the launch of a not-for-profit lettings agencies, potentially competing with the private sector, to offer homes at less than the market rate


 No.2377293

>>2377072

I've always found some irony in the way "for the many, not the few" was one of those unobjectionable Blairish phrases that came to embody Corbynism by accident.

>>2377190

Corbyn's success followed our moment of "right-populism" though.

(In Brexit, which yeah I know wasn't strictly right wing or even undesirable, but still. That was the illusion.)

>>2377286

NEED a labour government to abolish council tax entirely and introduce something-anything less terrible.


 No.2377299

File: b72021ac999ab80⋯.png (737.29 KB, 1358x551, 1358:551, 732c60b1f3c0aad89801fe360b….png)

>>2377293

>NEED a labour government to abolish council tax entirely and introduce something-anything less terrible.

Iirc introducing a LVT to replace both council tax and dbusiness rates was in the good o' red book.


 No.2377448

>>2377270

That's when the ruling class stops pretending they were bugs, and reveals they were features and we all get to live under a dictatorship


 No.2378242

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-42925660

>Tory council runs out of money

So much for the fiscally responsable right.


 No.2378270

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/02/haringey-boss-claire-kober-the-argument-that-im-incompetent-would-not-have-been-used-if-i-were-a-man

Haringey boss Claire Kober: 'The argument that I’m incompetent would not have been used if I were a man'

Liberals man.


 No.2378304

>>2377072

Sad that Corbyn supports the Trans nonsense. He should be learning from the experienced second wavers rather than hysterical teenagers like Madigan


 No.2378375

>>2377072

lmao cockshott is a TERF

>>2378304

>what is scientific consensus


 No.2378399

>>2378375

>mao cockshott is a TERF

I think you have the wrong Cockshott, unless they are both TERFs.

>>2378304

The thing is he doesn't play it up much, he is pretty much like most britons: positively not giving a shit.


 No.2379811

I figure the fight at the Rees Mogg meeting is worth bumping this thread for. The right wing mind is a fascinating thing. They are able to carry on behaving as if it was the protestors are at fault and the RM supporters even when there is footage of the RM punching a woman in the face.


 No.2379833

>>2378375

>dsm-5 is science

an incorrect analysis


 No.2379861

>>2379811

Honestly JRM scares me: there are enough people wanting to LARP Downton Abbey in this country that he could make his way to PM.

>>2379834

There are several flaws in this analysis:

1) Polls between elections mean fuck all, Kinnock was polling over 50% in 1991.

2) As for swing seats, things are actually changing quite drastically: for starters there is no such thing as a safe seat in Scotland anymore: literally we had people with absolute majorities get kicked out last time. The next election shall see an earthquake in rural southern England: Jerusalem shall be red again.

3) He didn't have it easy last election, the tory gaffs meant jack shit: it was the early manfiesto and the hype around it created by the leak (which I am like 99% sure was deliberate).

4) On him being fuck old, honestly I don't think he will make it to 2022 either: his aim is to reform the party so whomever comes after him will carry forth his vision without moderation. We are already seeing several leftist successors come in his wake.


 No.2379998

>>2379861

It does look like we will have an election by 2019 , Richard Leonard made the point in an interview that the house of commons as it stands will never agree on the final brexit arrangement. There are enough hard brexit and pro EU torys to cause a stir and block the governments bill, unless somehow they come to an agreement parliament will end up in deadlock and would lead to another GE. Hopefully Corbyn will have sorted out the party. Does anyone have any ideas who his successor might be, Emily Thornberry seems to be the most likely choice for the soft left "unifying" candidate. I cant see John McDonnelll going for it but hopefully he stays on as Chancellor of the Exchequer for a bit. Dose anyone know any up and coming left wing candidates who could take over? Maybe Clive Lewis but he is seems too young still?


 No.2380021

>>2379998

I worry about Thornberry, she openly said she supported "reforming capitalism" on QT like a year back. There are a few names tho, Laura Pidcock (the QT that says she wouldn't be mates with any tory MPs). Chris Williamson was a favourite until he quit after saying council tax should go up 200%. Keir Starmer is a bookies' favourite, although I don't know how quality his leftist credentials are tho. A few others are Rebecca Long-Bailey; who was actually one of the 36 to nominate Corbyn in the first place, Clive Lewis as you said; (who hangs around with Varoufakis, Zizek, is a part of DiEM25 and is a vet who is anti-war), Angela Rayner; who is not really that ideological (for either blairism or Marxism-Benninism) and just wants to fix the education system she feels failed herm (while admirable I am not sure if it is what we want) and finally Richard Burgon; who has Paul Robeson, Pro-Palestinian and Momentum stuff on his twitter.

So yeah there is a crop, but at the end of the day the leader won't matter much as it is McDonnell that is doing most off the leg work at the end of the day.


 No.2380075

>>2380047

I agree. The one thing people are ignoring is that the real momentum (honhonhon) is not coming from Momentum but from leftist members joining and doing stuff. These people aren't ideologically trained, they just want shit to get fixed and they see the Labour programme as the means of doing this. They're proletarians of all stripes and are a part of the revolutionary subject: and they are being mobilised in a way not seen since perhaps the end of the second world war and the 1945 election. Time will only tell where we go from here, but if we keep the ship sailing I have hope we can fix this rotten country.


 No.2380237

File: 3432a2365c633dd⋯.png (535.09 KB, 594x608, 297:304, Which side are you on.png)

Made some OC, spread it: especially with your scottish mates.


 No.2380239

>>2380237

Fuck me just noticed the spelling errors, if someone could fix it I would be grateful.


 No.2380761

A white supremacist who plotted a machete attack on people at a gay pride event has been convicted of a terror offence.

>he was planning to use an axe and machete during the attack, but the plan was foiled after he told people about it on Facebook.

>he expressed his hatred of Muslims and Jews, and said in a WhatsApp message: "My country is being raped.I might just become a skinhead and kill people."

>The right-wing extremist had a swastika hanging on his bedroom wall and bought a new Nazi armband after his was taken by police when he was arrested.

>He claimed he posted comments on Facebook to impress far-right friends and was "ashamed" as he was bisexual.

>Stables was interested in the Columbine High School massacre

He was described by his barrister as "lonely and inadequate" and as having an autism spectrum condition.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-42944925

The absolute state of /pol/yps.


 No.2380763

File: 1519658a0ebb724⋯.png (365.87 KB, 624x351, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2380761

forgot pic


 No.2380776

>crease in the flag

Iron that shit you lazy twat.


 No.2380781

>>2380761

>He claimed he posted comments on Facebook to impress far-right friends and was "ashamed" as he was bisexual.

Of course.


 No.2380952

File: c614f7c2ada4750⋯.jpg (52.46 KB, 800x600, 4:3, 2014_cake_fieri123.0.jpg)

>>2369814

jesus christ how horrifying

>Wee Frees

>Wee Wee Frees

The greatest rivalry in history.

>>2376342

ENDLESS_EJACULATION.BMP

>>2380761

The government spends ages confiscating knives but let machetes and axes slip by. Fuck's sake bobbies, are you even trying?


 No.2381139

>>2380761

my son yuo are bisexual now, you must choose

>abandon ideology which literally considers you subhuman and thinks you should be exterminated

or

>go and murder other gays such as yourself to impress your nazi friends (?????)


 No.2381372

File: 1fef6068273c0c9⋯.png (361.84 KB, 1000x545, 200:109, g45vv.png)

Pointless twitter drama, but still bants.


 No.2381658

File: b32ad44cc50b531⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 435.9 KB, 2000x1200, 5:3, ClipboardImage.png)

with a possibility of a market crash, I hope you lads know what you duty is


 No.2382123

>>2381658

[The Union of Wales has Capitulated]


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 No.2382152

File: 449550eca8a4444⋯.jpg (11.39 KB, 236x286, 118:143, smug oswald.jpg)

>>2382123

>Union of Wales

>implying


 No.2382275

File: 1ee3c654f94a735⋯.jpg (44.63 KB, 640x400, 8:5, 1493301071009.jpg)

File: 3799e96c9cb8268⋯.jpg (123.02 KB, 896x503, 896:503, 1495285671795.jpg)

>>2382152

I need more Mosley's, Mosley posting is probably the only genuinely funny meme the British right has ever come out with and Totalist Mosley is even better


 No.2382571

Liberal centrist Jonathan Pie says antifascists are the real fascists

https://twitter.com/JonathanPieNews/status/959551793335324672


 No.2382616

>>2382275

Oswald Moonsley.


 No.2383801

>>2382275

>2nd pic

Mosley probably loved A Trip To The Moon.

>bunch of lads get in a ship

>crash into a foreign land destroying parts

>kill a few natives

>enslave one to bring home


 No.2383813

>>2382571

He's a right arrogant cunt, who gives a shit what he says


 No.2384574

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-politics-employment/uk-to-consult-on-employment-status-after-gig-economy-concerns-idUKKBN1FR015

UK to consult on employment status after gig economy concerns

Seems like they're at least trying to get somewhere with these "gig economy" companies.


 No.2384577

>>2384574

UK to consult on employment status after gig economy concerns

>tfw you spoiler instead of heading

I worry about myself sometimes.


 No.2384604

>>2384574

>>2384577

I think they are worried about the growing unionisation of the sector: with groups like the IWW (Yes, that one) and the Solidarity Federation starting to get workers organised. The irony is granting workers' rights is more likely to spur unionisation as to defend them.


 No.2384641

File: 4e6d1b199b89f4b⋯.jpg (21.29 KB, 500x273, 500:273, how do you like us now.jpg)

>>2384629

it was a simpler time


 No.2384670

File: 7ef028dce5d796e⋯.jpg (141.99 KB, 752x1063, 752:1063, 7ef028dce5d796e2803b31e1f6….jpg)

File: a67f51a38fcc2d5⋯.jpg (80.59 KB, 962x604, 481:302, 286E63AD00000578-3072723-T….jpg)

File: 2505de073fd12a3⋯.png (761.77 KB, 1000x500, 2:1, 2505de073fd12a30ac8df88219….png)

File: db65d532f5194a2⋯.jpg (80.86 KB, 625x360, 125:72, enhanced-buzz-23663-140075….jpg)

File: 4d6ba72c17083ca⋯.jpg (76.23 KB, 471x444, 157:148, red-ed.jpg)

>>2384629

I miss Ed Miliband tbh.


 No.2384674

File: 4bfb27f7ef63127⋯.jpg (47.42 KB, 576x432, 4:3, 8lapAUm.jpg)

>>2384604

Haven't been following it too closely but it's good to hear the more radical unions are getting a bit of a foothold in there then. Jobs like that are just going to become more and more common so they're going to have to do something about how shit the workers are treated.

>>2384641

I'll take any excuse to post this image


 No.2384686

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/06/momentum-network-trains-councillors-to-fight-local-elections

Momentum sets up councillor network to target local elections

Honestly I am from Toryshire and seeing some labourites win would make me break my lent: giving up pornography.


 No.2384699

File: 2e324fe6e5fe39b⋯.jpg (67.9 KB, 615x410, 3:2, Cam death.jpg)

File: 6057fb7a38f9d3c⋯.jpg (42.75 KB, 620x387, 620:387, hell yes i'm tough enough.jpg)

>>2384629

>>2384670


 No.2385212

>>2384674

>tfw just joined the IWW a couple of weeks ago

>Get the warm fuzzies seeing all the new activity its doing in the UK

>Local area group has doubled in size in the past month

Now if only the video bit of wobchat would work perfectly and we could go back to red cards that were actually red instead of the shit loads of badges design everything would be perfect


 No.2385217

>>2385212

ANON PRAY TELL US MORE!

also, r u in Bristol?


 No.2386039

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42986319

Freemasons call for end to 'discrimination' of members

Okay what is it with all this Freemason shit recently?


 No.2386187

>>2386039

No idea. Was eating breakfast this morning and heard someone on the tv spouting some weird shit but couldn't see the screen and apparently it was these lads. I always figured Freemasons was just like a LARP country club where you go to get pissed.


 No.2387544

>>2385217

Nah, I'm not in England, in one of the non anglo bits

Its nice to see these sorts of things happening, but the IWW is still virtually invisible in the uk, I literally only found out there was a group in my area because my friend sent me a youtube video of them with like 15 views, gotta start getting the word out


 No.2389936

>>2380952

>Wee Wee Frees

Sounds like some sort of piss fetish group


 No.2390106

File: 12eafeea6b01f3d⋯.jpg (38.4 KB, 533x312, 41:24, 12eafeea6b01f3dff5a6a76377….jpg)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43014861

>"We must devolve powers, we must ensure that the people who are the real experts about the service levels, the workers themselves, the passengers and the consumers and expert management are brought together."

This looks good he wants the workers to control the nationalised Industries


 No.2390109

File: 99ba9784dacfde5⋯.jpg (93.73 KB, 672x959, 96:137, grand marshall corbyn.jpg)

>>2390106

S O O N


 No.2390961

Tories back ahead in the polls. What the fuck are Labour doing? Is the media sabotage campaign in overdrive?


 No.2390962

>>2390961

Intra election polls mean fuck all: Corbyn was at 25% and Kinnock was at 52%.


 No.2390981

>>2390962

Yes they are ultimately irrelevant, but I'm wondering what caused the drop.


 No.2390991

There's been fuck all terrorism lately.

The jihadist movement's been losing steam since late-2016, maybe it's finally over?


 No.2390994

>>2384674

>tfw student

>tfw not active in any political organisations

I don't have any connections with leftists tbqh.


 No.2390999

File: e9b77c2d0bb538b⋯.png (118.25 KB, 580x1032, 145:258, 20140503_BRC807.png)

>>2390961

Labour have been not rocking the boat. To my impression we've done nothing. (But then, I don't read the news.)

The Tories are in government, so they get to go on telly to announce their response to stuff they can't bounce, like Brexit negotiations, or any other ongoing event. In consequence, their profile is higher. Doubly because people don't really care about Labour stories when they aren't negative. It's not just coincidence that Labour's opinion poll standing skyrocketed the minute they were legally mandated to give both parties equal say.

At the same time that does raise some problems, since the extraordinary result last time might engender complacency.


 No.2391002

>>2390994

>tfw sixth form dropout

>more leftist than anyone who went to uni

So much for the college campus left.


 No.2391006

>>2391002

I'm at Sussex, and the "leftists" here are just demand-side weak-Keynesians.


 No.2391068

>>2390991

pardon my tinfoil hat, but I don't think it's close enough to election time for there to be another attack


 No.2391140

EVERYONE HERE NEEDS TO WATCH THIS

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym_M1pfWBEk


 No.2391332

File: 7f016974bdc9b21⋯.jpg (63.28 KB, 394x379, 394:379, sir-oswald-mosley.jpg)

>>2391140

>getting called nazi on playground

Bullshit, any good British child would have called a brown haired German a Jew who got away.


 No.2391395

>>2391140

I want to fuck this cunt


 No.2391398

File: c7b7b829786418f⋯.jpg (78.31 KB, 1096x616, 137:77, skynews-jeremy-corbyn-labo….jpg)


 No.2391410

File: b4ed6ad08568f02⋯.jpg (13.69 KB, 480x271, 480:271, paxman.jpg)

>>2391398

While its true that when it comes to 'human rights' and the military Corbyn doesn't have a hard stance as that would be electoral stucide and would do no one any good, he has consistently advocated, especially in recent months, the exclusion of Israeli and Saudi interests from UK government and has highlighted the government's support of them. Important to note the consistent attempts by zionists to sabotage Corbyn which in themselves show he is a credible threat to their interests.

The points on the Iraq war and Ireland are pretty bullshit. Corbyn did everything he could as an MP to oppose the war and condemning the soldiers rather than the government does absolutely nothing of value while giving his critics extra ammo and it doesn't take a genius to see that privately Corbyn supports a unified Ireland and Gerry Adams' constant endorsement reinforces that.


 No.2391416

>>2391398

Pacifism is liberal bullshit.


 No.2391527

So friends how can we assure Labour won't become another SYRIZA once in power


 No.2391536

>>2391527

From my understanding SYRIZA was fucked hard by the IMF and the EU, they cant legally make any laws that would effect Greece's economy without going past them first and they just dont have the energy or will to fight back. Labour wont have those problems and will be pretty much free to do what it wants to do (once the purge the scum from the party)


 No.2391537

File: 4751b277d3cb264⋯.jpg (22.46 KB, 480x469, 480:469, stutter.jpg)

>>2391527

Leave the EU


 No.2391538

Labor just had an "Alternative Models of Ownership Conference".

https://labour.org.uk/issues/campaigns/alternative-models-ownership-conference/

Read a summary from a Marxist economist participant here:

https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2018/02/10/models-of-public-ownership/

>However, the issues for me remain the ones that I first raised in considering ‘Corbynomics’ back when Jeremy Corbyn first won the leadership of the Labour Party in 2015. If public ownership is confined to just the so-called natural monopolies or utilities and is not extended to the banks and financial sector and to key strategic industries (the ‘commanding heights’ of the economy), capitalism will continue to predominate in investment and employment and the law of value and markets will still rule. Labour’s plan for a state investment bank and state-induced or run investment spending would add about 1-2% to total investment to GDP in the UK. But the capitalist sector invests nearer 12-15% and would remain dominant through its banks, pharma, aerospace, tech and business service conglomerates.

>There was no talk of taking over these sectors at the conference. That was not even talk of taking over the big five banks – something I have raised before in this blog and helped to write a study, on behalf of the Fire Brigades Union (and which is formally British Trade Union Congress policy). Without control of finance and the strategic sectors of the British economy, a Labour government will either be frustrated in its attempts to improve the lot of “the many not the few” (Labour’s slogan), or worse, face the impact of another global recession without any protection from the vicissitudes of the market and the law of value.


 No.2391551

File: 6dac9e8701d491e⋯.png (127.41 KB, 283x240, 283:240, armjohnmcdonell.png)

>>2391538

Good post and an important issue. However while it is important that expropriation takes place and we can hope that a Labour government would bring it about as unlikely as it seems, they would have to be entirely suicidal to detail a plan to expropriate the city finance and industrial capital.

Insofar as we are trusting in what is at heart a socdem party recovering from decades of neoliberal rule we can only hope that a Corbyn/McDonnell government would take radical action if push came to shove.


 No.2391564

>>2390961

>>2390962

These polls arent important, the local bi-elections in the coming months will be a better insight into whats happening, currently there hasnt been enough this year to see a clear trend but there are alot coming up next Thursday. More importantly the local elections in May will be a good time to see how Labour has improved


 No.2391574

>>2391536

I unironically wanna move to Britain so I can join the Blarite pruge gangs


 No.2391577

>>2391574

I wish I had more spare time so I could join take part in the Momentum purging but I have a Maths degree to do. Even though it makes the Labour party look worse I love it when blarites complain on the news about being deselected. The revolution will be fed with Blarite tears


 No.2391578

>>2391398

>the country you're from has had dumbass imperialist in the past who did mean shit and even though you're ideologically opposed to these people you still literally can't criticize any other country for doing mean shit

what sort of twisted fucking logic is this?


 No.2391586

>>2391398

>He doesn't understand one of the best ways to end imperialism is to end the imperial policy of first world stats.

Corbyn has consistently throughout his life be anti-imperialist: be it anti-apartheid, anti-settlement, anti-Vietnam [insert Wilson.mp3 here], against the Iraq & Afghanistan wars and finally pledging to introduce BDS for both Israel & Saudi Arabia and stop the atrocities in Yemen. He will be the first proper anti-imperialist PM this country has ever had.

>>2391537

This tbh.

>>2391564

Eh even the locals in May are iffey: remember the 2017 locals? Still, the ones to watch are: Haringey, Preston and Salford. These are the three Momentum are targeting to introduce "municipal socialism" and if they win big we will have three 1980s Liverpool councils again.

>>2391574

>>2391577

Eh the removal of Blairism isn't actually that active: it is more subtle. They aren't being kicked out, they are just leaving. And in their wake they are being replaced by either legitimate marxist-socialists or genuine proletarians who while not up on theory just want a country that fucking works and is decently left wing. My CLP is a good example of that tbh, we doubled in size since the election and most of the new lot are at-least Wilsonites.

>>2391578

Tanks and MLMs gonna do what they do.


 No.2391609

>>2391586

Yeah I agree the problem with locals, especially one off ones, is that local problems can be very different to national ones. 2014 local elections are another example of not to look at them too much. They showed a clear swing to Labour but didnt show the collapse of Labour in Scotland


 No.2391725

File: 132bf793f1027f5⋯.png (286.47 KB, 665x754, 665:754, wp_ss_20180129_0001 (2).png)


 No.2391731

>>2391609

Tbh I think we should less at if this will reflect nationally, and more if our agenda can be implemented locally.

Also would be interseting to see how well labour does in staunch tory areas, we have hope in area of the home counties for at-least a few more cllrs.


 No.2391783

>>2391731

>Also would be interseting to see how well labour does in staunch tory areas

It would also be interesting if Labour can hold its seats in the north (especially the north east) where the did loose some support in the General election (ex-ukip voters going more towards Torys than Labour).


 No.2392172

>>2391725

Underrated post


 No.2392243

File: f1ccaf49ddff710⋯.jpg (55 KB, 624x485, 624:485, Layla_Moran.jpg)

who /libdem/ here

we're centre-left, so we're on-topic


 No.2392247

>>2392243

>Soc Dem Poster

<Lib Dem

Get the fuck off my board.


 No.2392372

>>2392243

Does anyone actually know any libdem voters? I know one, they're rich which probably is part of it.


 No.2392397

File: 213c899643b60b7⋯.jpg (4.48 KB, 255x210, 17:14, 52f00062ec8870d9929c43ced6….jpg)

>>2392243

GET OUUUT


 No.2392407

>>2392372

Tbh all my mates voted lib dem last time (mostly because they are upper middle class people who are class conscious enough to see the tories are against their own interests but fell for the "muh magic money tree" meme).


 No.2392408

the real question is what constituency you're voting lib-dem in.


 No.2392418

won't labour just keep capitalism going though? isn't it a good thing that the tories are breaking the system?


 No.2392458

>>2392408

Sheffield Hallam


 No.2392480

File: a84e11a1a227ee8⋯.jpg (38.31 KB, 227x323, 227:323, Wilson STOP.jpg)


 No.2392499

File: 123af68b14edf58⋯.jpg (23.2 KB, 500x380, 25:19, 1463260561541.jpg)

>>2391398

>If you want to spend 2 percent of funding on the army then you want to invade every country in the middle east

Wow great thinking lads not a single hole in that argument


 No.2393763

Lads, we are about to face the longest walk-outs in universities for nearly 50 years, Who else is ready for some shit?


 No.2393777

>>2393763

Just got back from the student strike support meeting, this ought to be good famrade.


 No.2393801

File: 02364b4e9d83607⋯.jpg (14.84 KB, 318x340, 159:170, karl_marx_mask2_xlarge.jpg)

>>2393763

>tfw the labour aristocracy are now the most class-conscious elements

W-E-W


 No.2393813

>>2393801

tbf this strike doesn't just cover the lecturers but the Librarians, admin staff and PhD student-teachers as well. Lets not forget also the strikes that have taken place in other sectors as well like the bus drivers and train drivers, factory workers, shipyard workers and truck drivers. McDonalds workers unionised sucessfully last year and the CWU voted to take strike action but weren't allowed to go out due to some legal fuckery. Local council workers may end up going out on stike later in the year as well.


 No.2393819

How do the Tories have any support at all? Are Brits just natural classcucks?


 No.2393861

>>2393801

There is something that an American pointed out to me on here a few weeks back: Doctors in the US are petit.bourgeois because they buy shares in their hospitals: while Doctors in the UK tend to have a far more proletarian mind-set (being unionised and such) because there is a strict employer-employée relationship in the NHS.

Now the irony is that with the nature of new public management: the guy in charged turned from a bureaucrat in a grey suit (who was a part of the government) into effectively a capitalist boss. The marketisation of public services has in effect, turned those employed by them into proletarians in effectively all aspects. So, now we have mass unionised doctors, lecturers and teachers: all of whom are now acting out of class consciousness. It is yet another beautiful proof of the self-destructive nature of capitalism.


 No.2393867

>>2393861

so will Labour's plans for alternative models of ownership turn workers into porkies and further entrench capitalist ideology


 No.2393870

File: c0bb2e5c00483d7⋯.png (400.67 KB, 712x978, 356:489, SSGFs.png)

>>2393867

No they shall introduce De Leonism and issung dishing out State-Supplied GFs.


 No.2393885

>>2393870

incredible policy


 No.2393933

File: e46d2a4fe661808⋯.jpg (2.77 MB, 2400x1350, 16:9, Mao as the Sun 2400x1300 p….jpg)

What does LeftyBritPol think of Mao?


 No.2393984

File: 4b6b2f38aba34d2⋯.jpg (13.63 KB, 212x271, 212:271, MAO.jpg)

>>2393933

He was daddy.

On a real, Chiang Kai would have killed more, but Chen Duxiu was infinitely better than Mao. Mao was pretty incompetent in a lot of things, although Zhou Enlai would have been worse: since he would have killed all those people deliberately and without remorse..


 No.2394732


 No.2394744

File: ad0469f9b6325ee⋯.jpg (38.44 KB, 400x336, 25:21, f8ac4ac63fc3ff8d8f008729ce….jpg)

>>2394732

>“Everything is all fucked. And until Trump leaves the Oval Office, I will not think we are not fucked,” he says.

I want the 'everything was fine but then everything changed when the trump nation attacked' meme to die


 No.2394770

>>2393984

Chiang Kai-shek was a traitor to the chinese people but Zhou Enlai was a pragmatist and wasn't a revolutionary as Mao. Why would he have been bad? Most of his career was spent being the voice of reason to Mao.


 No.2394773

>>2394770

Zhou Enlai was basically the Chinese Beria: concerned with power and as you said: an unideological pragmatist. Instead of a cultural revolution he would have just purged people straight up.


 No.2394909

>>2393819

Birts used to be naturally left wing but since Blair thats not the case anymore. I think a big part to it is people want someone leftwing like Corbyn but keep buying into the "magic money tree" "loony lefty" meme. We need to remind people that they are in fact left wing and support left wing policy


 No.2396138

>>2394909

Problem is the left fell hard for the multiculturalism and identity politics meme. Normal British people don't want this. If Labour dropped it they'd be far more popular.


 No.2396195

>>2396166

Is he though? Youth Labour and Momentum love it and they're his power base.


 No.2396203

>>2396138

Go back to /pol/


 No.2396213

File: e86660106d14fd4⋯.png (613.17 KB, 800x1237, 800:1237, c6e229210d99c207c45906a7c6….png)

File: 4f9dd6b8084abc6⋯.jpg (58.12 KB, 634x547, 634:547, CrM6t7WWcAAU7bb.jpg)

>>2396195

Really? Because the Red libs are the one autistically screeching about him.


 No.2396218

File: feccb94a7abdcc7⋯.jpg (970.36 KB, 3916x1752, 979:438, based corbo.jpg)

>>2396213

this tbh

Blairites and the Labour right-wing are the idpol vanguard.


 No.2396226

>>2370933

Half the gay men i know are liberal and that was before gay marriage was legalised. 1 in 5 gay men in france vote national front.

Truth is gays are bourgie. Maybe once they start getting married and adopting itll change


 No.2396242

>>2377200

He has to be in power and then the economy has to tank for that to come to pass


 No.2396357

File: 9361109aee8e221⋯.jpg (78.08 KB, 668x644, 167:161, Capture.JPG)

#LateStage


 No.2396365

>>2394773

I've never heard of this take on Zhou Enlai. Zhou's policies provided Deng with inspiration for 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧reform and opening up🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧. Zhou was a rightist, Beria seems to be an actual commie, well, more so than any other potential successor to Stalin.


 No.2396376

>>2396365

>Zhou was a rightist

He was one of the founding members of the CCP and one of the key players in the communist revolution.


 No.2396377


 No.2396431

>>2396377

Autoloan crisis incoming.


 No.2396791

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/14/homeless-man-dies-on-doorstep-of-houses-of-parliament

Homeless man dies on 'doorstep' of Houses of Parliament

>MPs criticise government policies after rough sleeper pronounced dead in Westminster area, London

People are fucking dying on the steps of bloody Westminster Station: honestly we have reached a point that is too far.


 No.2398408

UK Prime Minister May calls for fight to “defeat socialism”

>Prime Minister Theresa May pledged a renewed fight to “defeat socialism” before an audience of ultra-wealthy donors last week at the Conservative Party’s annual fundraising dinner.

>“Around the world, we see a rise of populism, nationalism and protectionism. We see the great positive forces of free trade, economic liberalism and the rules-based order which sustains them under threat.”

>There was no reference to the leading source of this instability in the shattering of the “rules-based order”—US imperialism—nor to the “terror threat”, which for almost two decades has been presented as the gravest challenge to British and international security.

>Instead, almost 40 years after Thatcher vowed to “roll back the tide of socialism,” and more than 25 years since the liquidation of the Soviet Union was given as definitive proof of the triumph of capitalism, May declared the task at hand was a “renewed mission … to defeat socialism today as we have defeated it before.”

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/02/15/spee-f15.html

What did she mean by this?


 No.2398416

File: 1338e49884ea833⋯.png (266.92 KB, 576x698, 288:349, 8260e3331204f1b009a7cc8deb….png)

>>2398408

What does this mean? I means porky is immensely spooked. Keep up the good work lads.


 No.2398431

File: 3b3acd44737d30a⋯.png (323.12 KB, 576x566, 288:283, 9d5490abc31e97d2b9db546487….png)

>>2398408

So much for meeting triumph and disaster and treating those two impostors just the same.


 No.2398437

File: 5292a1ab81da1f3⋯.png (590.55 KB, 624x794, 312:397, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2398408

May trying to go full Red Scare 3.0


 No.2398451

>>2398437

>Czech agents

There is actually a really good story about how a minister of technology and post-master general was actually a British spy for the Czechs during the cold war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stonehouse


 No.2398453

>>2398451

Just the Czechs?


 No.2398463

>>2398453

Yes, specifically just the czechs.


 No.2398561

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/964195272095092747

>Excluding DKs 54% of those polled supported the reintroduction of national service.

Just watch them fucking do it.


 No.2398584

>>2398561

PURGE OLDS NOW


 No.2398805


 No.2398807

File: ef91929bc327ec5⋯.jpg (2.22 MB, 3288x2301, 1096:767, 1russ.jpg)

>>2398408

>40 years after Thatcher vowed to “roll back the tide of socialism”

The tide goes out before it comes in, Mrs. Thatcher.


 No.2398808

File: 5cbde565c2290ef⋯.png (1.03 MB, 960x720, 4:3, lxOghC4.png)

>>2398561

Actually why though? Even from an army perspective all you need to do in a war now is to get some lad to pilot an army of drones to bomb a school and soon enough a robot will do that for him. Their only arguement is calling younger generations pussies for not wanting to kill people in the name of the state and porkies interes which is purely feels > reals.

Honestly hope I don't turn out like that when I'm older and if I do throw me in the fucking gulag.


 No.2398864

>>2398808

Well it's for sure the Army doesn't want to have to deal with a load of younguns. The only kind of people that want these are those who want the youffs of the streets and think it will deal with the "snowflakes". The irony is that they would be teaching a generation that hates them how to use weaponry.


 No.2400141

File: a29af1c4cfc25da⋯.png (87.26 KB, 629x314, 629:314, Screen Shot 2018-02-16 at ….png)

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH


 No.2400945

File: afd689b14cc9900⋯.png (252.71 KB, 500x618, 250:309, 7984b0ae00c3f92db759132631….png)

>>2400141

>Blairite defends PFIs

OUT OUT OUT


 No.2400950

File: 2e25e66dc481ec5⋯.jpg (406.21 KB, 2193x2617, 2193:2617, Boy if you don't.jpg)

>>2400141

>The grauniad

Their "Vote Liberal Democrat" headline of 2010 and the constant Obama dicksucking should be enough to put anyone else off.


 No.2401275

Apocalypse now for Britain’s retailers as low wages and the web cause ruin

>Big-name stores are teetering on the brink. Without radical action to bring back shoppers, UK high streets will be wrecked

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/feb/17/uk-retail-industry--gloom-high-street-shift-consumers

Today on this episode of "Marx is proved right yet again": The falling rate of profit as applied to consumer retail.


 No.2401289

>>2401275

The high street deserves nothing more than a painful death. Just walking down them makes me depressed.


 No.2401909

File: 79c13e1f81b9d2b⋯.png (248.51 KB, 1211x1157, 1211:1157, IMG_3017.PNG)

>Comrade Rosen is spreading class consciousness amongst the future proletarians

Based.


 No.2401921

>>2401909

*Click*

Noice.


 No.2402369

File: f91f0624fa7dd63⋯.png (24.28 KB, 714x164, 357:82, Screen Shot 2018-02-18 at ….png)

>Imagine being this delusional


 No.2402436

>>2401909

I don't get it, is he taking the piss out of lolberts?


 No.2402457

>>2402436

Yes and no: he is more highlighting the inherent aristocracy that exists in Britain.


 No.2402460

>>2402436

he kind of is

the third one is the most obvious one probably


 No.2402474

Honestly I am just fucking hope they lower interest rates on tution fees: fuck 3% on 9 grand that I can't even pay back.


 No.2402506

File: 75c9202cec9fb3a⋯.png (410.51 KB, 720x605, 144:121, ClipboardImage.png)

I wanna live in the Daily Mail's fantasy world to be honest


 No.2402524

>>2402506

This makes no-sense as the capital of the Soviet Union doesn't have -grad in it. If anything like Manchester or Liverpool would be Jeremygrad.


 No.2402527

>>2402506

are they even being serious at this point or have they been reduced to shitposting


 No.2402528

>>2402524

of course it doesn't make sense it's the fucking daily mail


 No.2402530

>>2402506

Wouldn't it make more sense if it was Corbyngrad, since Lenin was his last name, Stalin was the last name etc.


 No.2402531

>>2402506

Tbh the Daily Mail make good fanfiction.


 No.2402919

File: 41575cc72f0692b⋯.png (409.08 KB, 384x600, 16:25, BeardedMary.png)

Why's everyone mad at Mary Beard?


 No.2403545

>>2402524

>Why isn't the Daily Mail making sense?


 No.2403558

>>2402919

She had the balls to defend Oxfam and said someone along the lines of "tbh it is hard to keep up civilised behaviour in a disaster zone".

This whole scandal reeks of "let's cut the foreign aid budget through sneaky methods" tbh.


 No.2403581

>>2403558

>This whole scandal reeks of "let's cut the foreign aid budget through sneaky methods" tbh.

I wouldn't go that far. The current infrastructure of NGO's and foreign aid actually undergirds globalizing capitalism: it provides the first world with indulgences, tax-breaks, and also serves as a job-creation machine for the managerial class, so I don't think the elite wants to get rid of it.

On the point of what the Oxfam people did, it is bad: they are supposed to use their resources to help people, and some of it ended up going to buy under-age prostitutes. They fucked the people they were supposed to help. But otoh, she is also right; it is a disaster zone inside of a country that had already disintegrated under imperialist preasures. The people working in it are going to get desensitized and act out even of they weren't crooks to start out with. And there's also the power relation that arises between them and the locals who are dependent on them. UN missions run into this kinda stuff all the time, where peacekeepers and aid workers end up abusing the local people. Things like this scandal are unavoidable. It does not suddenly turn Oxfam into some more evil organization - it's entirely a systemic problem.


 No.2403583

>>2403581

Oh I agree with that analysis, but the specific thing about Oxfam is that it has been hitting out against globalism and neoliberalism and has criticised austerity: so suddenly some dirt arises and boom their funding goes strikes me as immensely fishey.


 No.2404325

File: b7c7f5494b7d845⋯.png (72.78 KB, 540x510, 18:17, jeremy english.png)

State of Cuckbyn.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.2404331

>>2404325

I'm gonna guess you're the same salty /pol/yp. Ask yourself one question, if Corbyn is in league with the ebul establishment why do Tories, Lib Dems and Blairites try to take him down? He is the only person critical of Israel in British politics atm and has the balls to stand up to the puppet masters of western arms manufacturing: the Sauds.


 No.2404375

File: 7dd2da2bb32165f⋯.jpg (12.41 KB, 284x276, 71:69, 7dd2da2bb32165fb322543a6ad….jpg)

>>2404325

>we don't believe the MSM's lies

>JEZZA'S A COMMIE SPY DESPITE THE FACT THE DIRECTOR OF THE CZECH SECURITY FORCES ARCHIVE HERSELF SAID THE STORY IS UTTER BULLSHIT, ADMIT IT YOU'RE ALL CUCKS

The absolute state of /pol/yps


 No.2404412

File: 38c1afad4ad475e⋯.jpg (41.94 KB, 400x586, 200:293, 38c1afad4ad475ec31197f9914….jpg)

>>2404325

fucking pathetic mate


 No.2404709


 No.2405174

File: 13f1b0edaaed476⋯.jpg (82.21 KB, 800x600, 4:3, 13f1b0edaaed4765707b6a557c….jpg)

>>2404709

I swear these articles always have a picture of Corbyn on a bike for some reason.


 No.2405227

File: cdbe908b43eab17⋯.png (607.32 KB, 800x536, 100:67, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.2405228

>>2405227

>>2405174

it's because bikes are actually existing socialsm


 No.2405229

File: e26875e72e227a7⋯.jpg (18.77 KB, 450x73, 450:73, 24Pnl_rfL7uljZ-E3SVkL90Y0v….jpg)

>>2405174

Does this answer your question?


 No.2405262

File: 62a88d666764628⋯.jpg (31.7 KB, 500x329, 500:329, 1293120863991.jpg)

>>2405238

>Why would anyone be against an ideology that wants to force unwanted sexual activity on others?


 No.2405266

File: b9479d35e30d21c⋯.jpg (62.04 KB, 619x613, 619:613, comrade stef.JPG)

>>2401909

Reminds me of Comrade Robbie Rotten


 No.2405278

File: 4ff360ef002f483⋯.jpg (74.75 KB, 634x560, 317:280, 4ff360ef002f4833511961849f….jpg)

https://www.ncpolitics.uk/2018/02/%E2%80%8Bno-there-really-really-really-really-really-wasnt-a-youthquake.html/

No, there really, really, really, really, REALLY wasn’t a youthquake

TL;DR: in the 20 seats with the largest turnout upswings, they have average 18-24 turnout but the 25-44 turnout increased massively. Basically the Millennials aren't maoists: everyone that isnt a boomer is.

>>2405174

It is to do with the "Chairman Mao Bike" thing. Legit. Also I believe it is to make him look less "statesmen like".


 No.2405282

>>2405229

>>2405278

Thats real stupid for so many reasons. It's weird how negatively they treat it anyway as if bikes are some kinda demon.

>fuck you for having less emissions, less space and getting exercise. Stay couped up in a car like the rest of us you fuckin' commie

>>2405228

The revolution will arrive on a bike.


 No.2405286

>>2405282

Well you see bikes are things of the "urban liberal metropolitan elite": the REAL WORKING CLASS drive 4X4s around the home counties.


 No.2405297

>>2405266

I mean I wouldn't expect Stefan to be right wing. Guy lives in Iceland.


 No.2405311

>>2405286

I think my mind is broken trying to figure out the thought process that could lead someone to actually believe this. Surely a bike is the ultimate working class transport? Cheap and reliable. I fondly remember riding with my nan on her bike through the town to the local shop, sounds like a tradcucks dream.

The only ways I can think how people get to this is bikes are for pussies and liberals are pussies thus bikes are for liberals. Either that or companies convincing people that bikes are shit so they buy their overpriced cars.

I know this is pointless but I need something to do at work


 No.2405317


 No.2405669

>>2405311

Bikes are simultaneously popular with the poor, with the young and with stereotypical arty, smelly leftist types and very, very unpopular with the rural and suburban middle and upper class, at least as a form of transport, as even a very poor person can afford quite a good one and they don't really function as status symbols in the same way a really nice car does, a nice bike is only really a status symbol in cyclist subculture and then only when married with ability and in fact the bikes that the average person will likely find the most appealing and nice looking are the most utilitarian ones


 No.2407059

File: 6d64584f1bcc7db⋯.png (38.43 KB, 604x476, 151:119, 159a67a8dae04c99495ec033ae….png)

>54% share has only been beaten once, by the Conservatives in 1968 with 60%. They won all but 4 boroughs. Labour's highest share was 53% in 1971.

Corbyn is about to outdo Wilson. SocDem gang just can't stop winning.


 No.2407070

>>2407059

Hopefully the mask will slip and we can see DemSucc arise from Succdem after the election


 No.2407073

>>2407070

Well Haringey and Hackney are having campaigns literally being run by Momentum so we will see at-least some Sewer socialism.

Also Barnet will be an interesting one to watch: it has the largest jewish population in London.


 No.2407099

>>2407059

from this "graph", did green voters start supporting Labour? Or did people who didn't vote before started actually participating? Also where the fuck did that 7% UKIP went?


 No.2407105

>>2407099

Anon, a lot of that 7% from UKIP went to labour.


 No.2407108

>>2407105

…really?


 No.2407113

>>2407108

And here you have fallen for the "Purple is closer to blue" fallacy: a lot of UKIP voters were labour voters who didn't like Blairism and wanted to leave the EU. Now Labour has its red balls back they are coming back to the party.


 No.2407195

Is anyone in the know on the National Youth elections for the Labour Party, who are \ourguys its always impossible to tell from the candidate statements they always word them to appeal to as many people as possible without giving a good insight in their political beliefs


 No.2407204

>>2407195

Momentum says: Leigh Drennan for chair, Lara McNeill for NEC.


 No.2407306


 No.2407326

File: 4aeec34dfb19520⋯.jpg (12.15 KB, 290x159, 290:159, ANDREW-NEIL-ALEX-JONES.jpg)

>>2407306

I do love a good Aneiling


 No.2407327

File: 4aeec34dfb19520⋯.jpg (12.15 KB, 290x159, 290:159, ANDREW-NEIL-ALEX-JONES.jpg)

>>2407306

I do love a good Aneiling


 No.2407473

File: 6185a8fb234a33d⋯.jpg (25.87 KB, 615x415, 123:83, TOPSHOT-British-Prime-Mini….jpg)

>In a speech in Derbyshire, the Prime Minister admitted the "competitive market" in tuition fees had not emerged, and most universities charge the maximum

wow what a surprise

>Theresa May has admitted Tory tuition fees policy has made British universities among the most expensive in the world.

>The Prime Minister will launch a year-long review of higher education funding, just six years after they tripled tuition fees limit to £9,000 a year.


 No.2407540

>Meanwhile in NI

https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/02/20/who-benefits-from-the-collapse-of-power-sharing/

I;m always interested in what people from the mainland think of our little shit hole, things are getting really weird here


 No.2408098

The uni strikes start today, remember not to cross the picket lines.

https://youtu.be/ojPTz4VAOMA


 No.2409319

File: cde6f896fb6e08a⋯.png (400.18 KB, 580x450, 58:45, HENRY IS COMING FOR THAT U….png)

Labour says land value tax would boost local government budgets

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/22/labour-says-land-value-tax-would-boost-local-government-budgets

LVT IS COMING LADS.


 No.2409331

I asked this like half a year ago but I think I should ask it again.

What does the average brit think about May and the Tories.

What about Corbyn and labour?


 No.2409341

>>2409331

What is an "average brit"? I don't even know anymore…


 No.2409342

File: 5932d34151866c7⋯.webm (1.92 MB, 709x435, 709:435, modern british lad.webm)


 No.2409349

File: 34947a807049a50⋯.gif (108.69 KB, 403x360, 403:360, 34947a807049a500abb6936f99….gif)

>>2409342

Leave.


 No.2409388

>>2409319

>A land tax, where a percentage of the value of the land is levied annually

that's peak fucking socdem. It sounds nice though but I doubt the tories and the libdems or even the snp would ever agree to this


 No.2411848

File: a2ae4fee4863801⋯.jpg (165.07 KB, 2048x692, 512:173, DW1YU_BWsAY-3iO.jpg large.jpg)

https://twitter.com/bbradleymp/status/967526680188375040

hahahahahahahaahahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


 No.2411855

File: 53d14c8567cd286⋯.png (120.32 KB, 400x267, 400:267, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2411848

>Please Retweet

Thank you for posting this. It made my day.


 No.2412075

File: feaed35b3f745e5⋯.jpg (97.48 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, feaed35b3f745e582ffac8e5ed….jpg)

>>2411848

>Please retweet.


 No.2412100

File: 3cfb11026566284⋯.gif (755.36 KB, 250x203, 250:203, jezza.gif)


 No.2412103

File: f246596b6ba79ef⋯.png (256.47 KB, 463x376, 463:376, nut.png)

>>2411848

fucking terrific mate


 No.2412548

File: 671aded8e44681d⋯.png (130.95 KB, 226x273, 226:273, 671aded8e44681d8f6b121c2a1….png)

>>2409388

Actually this has been Lib Dem Policy (lowkey) for a while, there are sympathetic tories and iir SNPers too. LVT is weirdly universally popular, especially considering it comes from a branch of economics that literally no governments have ever actually implemented (although Sun-Yat Sen tried).

>>2411848

JUST

Also I saw some polling in the Times: literally no one gives a shit about the Czech thing. 64% of people feel the same, only 6% of people think worse of Corbyn. The best part of it though is that 6% of Britons also feel BETTER about Corbyn after the Czech spy allegations.


 No.2412550

File: 66040fd90972648⋯.png (50.99 KB, 450x768, 75:128, 1507945588905.png)

>>2412548

6% of Britons are KGB agents?


 No.2412570

File: 4f5afbc226ccda0⋯.jpg (70 KB, 1000x541, 1000:541, We're coming bucko.jpg)

>>2412550

No, 6% of Britons are leftypol lurkers.


 No.2412579

File: 061e4904e97039b⋯.jpg (60.38 KB, 335x640, 67:128, IMG_2935.JPG)

>Explosion on immigrant street

What are the odds this is a far-rightist?


 No.2412589

>>2412579

>>Explosion on immigrant street

Sounds like the name of a really dodgy R L Stein book. I'm just looking forward to seeing who /pol/ tries to blame it on this time.


 No.2412864

>>2412589

Seriously though, I'm pretty sure every sizeable urban area these days has an incredibly depressing set of shops around the "ethnic areas". londis, costcutter, maybe some polish shops, some halal shops, a black barber's, carribean grocer, some greasy takeaways, and a betting shop seems to be the general structure, give or take a few elements.

I do get depressed looking at some of the deprivation around my town tbqh. The utter state of these outlets, their clientele, and the housing is truly dire.

When the government tries to do something about shite areas, they just "move the problem around" (Nothing has changed since Engels made the observation in the 19th century!)


 No.2412870

>>2412589

By the way, just so you don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying the prescence of shops catering to minorities is depressing, I'm talking more about the dilapidated nature of the streets.


 No.2413019

>>2409319

LABOUR

IS

GEORGIST

MADE BY GEORGIST GANG


 No.2413543

Jeremy Corbyn makes Unite's Andrew Murray a part-time consultant

>Former communist, loathed by those on Labour’s right, will help hone party’s Brexit strategy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/26/jeremy-corbyn-makes-unites-andrew-murray-part-time-consultant

Why does Labour keep on trying to make be break not fapping to porn for lent?


 No.2413550

>>2413543

from wiki

>Murray joined the Communist Party of Great Britain in 1976 and became associated with its Straight Left faction. At this time, Murray became a close friend of Seumas Milne, who was also active in Straight Left.[7] Murray's allies during the period have been described by Francis Beckett as "more extreme than most of the Stalinists I knew. The Stalinists were known as ☭TANKIE☭s, but Murray’s lot were super-tankies".[7]

lmfao


 No.2413560

>>2413550

As I said on the Corbyn thread, I don't understand the ☭TANKIE☭s on Leftypol that spend their time whining about Labour.


 No.2413576

>>2413550

>"Next Tuesday is the 120th anniversary of the birth of Josef Stalin. His career is the subject of a vast and ever expanding literature. Read it all and, at the end, you are still left paying your money and taking your choice. A socialist system embracing a third of the world and the defeat of Nazi Germany on the one hand. On the other, all accompanied by harsh measures imposed by a one-party regime. Nevertheless, if you believe that the worst crimes visited on humanity this century, from colonialism to Hiroshima and from concentration camps to mass poverty and unemployment have been caused by imperialism, then [Stalin’s birthday] might at least be a moment to ponder why the authors of those crimes and their hack propagandists abominate the name of Stalin beyond all others. It was, after all, Stalin's best-known critic, Nikita Khrushchev, who remarked in 1956 that 'against imperialists, we are all Stalinists'."

Holy shit is he Hoxha-poster?


 No.2413654

So Corbyn has come out in support of the Customs Union, thoughts? I agree it is a pragmatic move but I am worried it will cuck us out of being able to make proper trade deals to support leftist nations.


 No.2413657

>>2413654

He has sort of said nothing though. It seems he wants "a" customs union not "the" customs union so at the moment it doesn't really mean anything without the details of what the customs union he wants. Which seems to not really be much different to what is being offered by the Torys its just the wording. So it seems just to please the moderate pro-Eu labour voters as well as give the pro-EU tory MPs more of a reason to vote against the final Brexit agreement. This speech is more to do with trying to make the current government fail then actually Brexit policy I guess he wants to try and get a general election as quick as he possibly can.


 No.2413660

File: 2678db8ce264c97⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 83.99 KB, 1024x682, 512:341, DCXcWTyWAAAZKMP.jpg)

>>2413657

I can see the first one, tbf a Norway style deal with regards to trade (not hte single market) where we are join on some issues but on others we are not could work in the medium term: at-least until someone like Melenchon takes power in France and decides to shake the whole thing up. One other thing is that it needs to allow us to make our own sanctions so we can deal with certain nations Turkey and remove sanctions on others Venezuela.

As for political savviness, I think it is a good move, we will need to see how it plays out with leave voters but eh.

As for heading for a new election ASAP, I think that is a bad move tbh. Labour is still sorting itself out internally and I think a few more pieces need to fall into place before we can get the train rolling at top speed. I would say give it until just after brexit has been negotiated tbh.


 No.2413689

>>2413660

I think this would take effect on the final vote on brexit which would be early 2019. We kind of need an election soonish since Corybn is getting old and there inst really anyone good with enough experience and credibility to take over.So it seems the plan is play the long game: put pressure on the Torys in these Local elections (which could lead to Labour nearly having complete control of London) as well as make every brexit vote as difficult as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Tory leadership bid after the elections in May followed by a even bigger split over Brexit with a possibility of an General election late 2018 early 2019. We could even see some soft Torys like Anna Mary Soubry maybe going Libdem


 No.2413694

>>2413576

That seems a perfectly sensible assessment of Stalin.

What's with the "lmfao"?


 No.2413704

>>2413689

The problem is if we do have an election before brexit: what the fuck happens then? How is a deal going to be made unless they reset everything? The brexit deal made will still be the tory's.


 No.2413726

>>2413560

They are fucking idiots that think you can have an All-Union Communist Party without having a Russian Social Democratic Labour Party first.


 No.2413748

>>2413704

Well the deal for the 2 year transition period will probably end up being the same but what will happen after that could be changed considering if the government fails to win a vote on the final agreement then its not legally binding in the UK but we have to leave the EU after triggering article 50 so who knows what happens then


 No.2413757

>>2413726

>>2413560

The real problem you're forgetting is that most of the posters, ☭TANKIE☭s included, are yanks and thus have neither any conception nor experience of working class politics.


 No.2413766

>>2413757

Ameritanks are the worst tbf.


 No.2413913

File: e9396a533c1c51d⋯.png (897.41 KB, 1137x640, 1137:640, e9396a533c1c51d36cced8329c….png)

>>2413550

>>2413543

>Jeremy Corbyn makes Unite's Andrew Murray a part-time consultant

>Murray’s lot were super-tankies


 No.2413963

>>2413543

why are people still talking about "soft" and "hard" brexit? Does it really fucking matter what you call it? I think it's pretty obvious what Britain can and cannot affor if they don't want to go bankrupt in four days.


 No.2413971

>>2413963

They had no meanings to begin with, it started with "HARD = GOOD SOFT = WEAK" but then switch around in terms of positivity and now nobody fucking knows.


 No.2413980

>>2413971

the nobody fucking know part kinda characterizes brexit as whole in my opinion


 No.2413987

>>2413980

I agree. I mean it is seen perfectly with this announcement: Corbyn said he doesn't want to join the customs union, he wants to HAVE a customs union with Europe. The nuance of this entire situation just cannot be handled by the media of this day and age: all of this was designed for a time period where shit was done behind closed doors and that was that.

In other news:

Jon Lansman tipped to stand for role of Labour general secretary

>Momentum activist expected to be popular grassroots candidate to replace departing Iain McNicol

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/26/jon-lansman-set-to-stand-for-role-of-labour-general-secretary

Laughs maniacally


 No.2414281

>>2413963

Burger here, where do ya'll stand on Brexit? Maybe I'm stupid but it seems doing Bexit seems that ya'll will be chaining yourself to the U.S as a trading partner as well as more politically.As much as I would like to see a leftist Alliance between the U.S and U.K trusting Americans seems pretty foolish. I mean I'm American and I barely trust us.


 No.2414527

>>2414281

Answered your own question. I'm considering moving if UK goes down any further. Might turn way too neoliberal to live in once brexit happens


 No.2414846

>>2414281

Was tempted to vote to leave (the EU is a capitalist hellhole), but voted remain in the end (the only alternative was to align closer with the US).

I think leaving the EU had definitely polarised British politics to the degree where Corbyn has a shot at forming a government, but I'm sort of worried the economy will crash quite shortly, and if Labour's in power they'll wind up blamed for it.


 No.2414850

>>2414281

Well that's the thing: upper class brexiteers want to get closer to the US, but most working class brexiteers want either protectionism or the ability to self-manage the economy. The two stances are going to butt heads sooner or later and it will take the wind out of the tories' sails for a long time.

But regardless, you cannot implement democratic socialism in on countryside inside the EU unless you are Germany or France so leaving is the best thing for now.


 No.2415043

File: dff84b862796d53⋯.png (1.2 MB, 768x1024, 3:4, ClipboardImage.png)

File: fc0f55ac21d7bd0⋯.png (1.52 MB, 766x1024, 383:512, ClipboardImage.png)

Leaked images of Corbyn mercilessly sniping tories from his balcony.


 No.2415066

>>2415043

Honestly I will die a happy man if I ever get the chance to have a pint with Jez.


 No.2415068

File: 36bd6bea7181c28⋯.jpg (31.3 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, excellence.jpg)

>>2415043

He can't keep getting away with it.


 No.2415077

>>2415066

I've been in the pub with him (before he was leader though). AMA.


 No.2415081

>>2415077

Did he ask how your mum was?

On a real, is he that nice in RL, or is it an act? how competent do you think he is, do you think him naive or is he really aware of the threat of coup against him.


 No.2415091

>>2415081

>Did he ask how your mum was?

Nah. Said I had a good hat though (I had a ushanka at the time).

>On a real, is he that nice in RL, or is it an act?

He's really nice, from what I remember he spent most of the time talking to his old Trade Union and LRC mates. Bought a bunch of the younger people that were hanging around pints though. Absolute unit.

>do you think him naive or is he really aware of the threat of coup against him.

This was about 2013-14, so well before all that would have even come up (and most of the chat was about the independence referendum). I know people in LOTO & Momentum HQ spend a fair amount of time thinking about things like that, not sure they've ever really come up with a practicable response if it were to happen.


 No.2415099

>>2415091

> Bought a bunch of the younger people that were hanging around pints though

God I wish that was me


 No.2415103

unrelated to everything, but why do LeftyBritPol threads never become cyclical?


 No.2415104

File: c09bc4d3db86aba⋯.jpg (59.73 KB, 720x588, 60:49, 7f767feb620c4d69fa8972f05b….jpg)

>>2415103

They used to before the leftpol split: we are "ebul liberals" now.


 No.2415110

>>2415103

They're very on and off so they go dead until a big news story pops up


 No.2415111

>>2415110

but there's a lot of quality discussion in these threads. Also a lot less amerifags so it's a lot more civil


 No.2415126

>>2415111

Well I guess all those constant flag threads can't help


 No.2416522

File: 2d045c9d5d66ff6⋯.jpg (349.69 KB, 1024x1200, 64:75, DO YOU ENJOY J A Z Z.jpg)

https://twitter.com/EvanHD/status/968830895594622977

TL;DR: literally we either get a topaz brexit under someone like Gove or Mogg, or a national government will have to be formed of soft brexit tories, lib dems, SNP and blairites…


 No.2416557

>>2368798

cause plenty of people moved to /leftpol/


 No.2416558

>>2368798

cause plenty of people moved to /leftpol/>>2368798


 No.2417173

thought: is the LGBT+ rights movement in the UK less bourgeois than that of the USA?

partially just thinking of Lesbians and Gays Support the Miners but it would seem like there's probably a plausible historical narrative to that idea. the underlying conditions of British society and politics would seem to lend to a more genuine alliance between the desire for social liberalisation and the implementation of social-democratic economics in the Labour party than what you'd find in the US Democratic party, which can much easier afford to place all their eggs in the first basket.

maybe it's something to do with top-down leadership vs bottom-up activism. or maybe it's just the fact that your average Genderqueer Palo Alto Google employee holds more wealth than the bloody Rees-Moggs.


 No.2417184

File: eaa24005add2d87⋯.jpg (20.44 KB, 446x251, 446:251, 129df00f9724b4f3341aed2115….jpg)

>>2417173

Well I mean it WAS Wilson that decriminalised homosexuality, but that is neither here nor there.

Tbh, I think a lot of the L&GStM has to do with Maggie's anti homo policies.

But there is also a lot of bourgie stuff in the modern movement: has a lot to do with its Americanisation.


 No.2422388

File: fe7d62e903125cf⋯.jpg (28.66 KB, 315x359, 315:359, leon-trotsky.jpg)

*sells you a newspaper*

What are the tier lists for British Socialist papers? I don't know much about them. There are a lot of organisations nowadays

>Socialist Worker (Trots)

>Socialist Appeal (Trots)

>The Socialist (Trots)

>Workers Hammer (allegedly Trots but seem to be more edgy and have more retarded positions like supporting ISIS)

>A bunch of others

Are they mostly just the same? Are any of the Trot splits in the UK actually significant?


 No.2422392

File: 22d7b2c349bcd47⋯.jpg (63.35 KB, 1200x420, 20:7, DVSuqbFX4AgKtoi.jpg)

>>2422388

I know there's also Solidarity (paper of the AWL, Trots), The Clarion (paper of momentum, AWL front?), Morning Star (CPGB, probably the closest to mainstream)


 No.2422400

>>2422388

>>2422392

>Morning Star

Is the only one I've ever actually seen sold myself in recent years but then again I don't really check very often.


 No.2422409

>>2422400

Same you can find it in most Co-ops even if your living in the south and are a lot more common in the North


 No.2422413

>>2422409

They sell it in tescos where I live


 No.2422414

>>2422388

what is it with trots in particular and having such a huge focus on selling papers

I mean there are worse things to do, but


 No.2422424

>>2422388

from my understanding Appeal (IMT) and Worker (IST) split because the IMT are enryist and accuse the IST of being ultraleft in militant tendency days


 No.2422456

>>2422414

if you think about it it's pretty obvious. Trotsky mostly operated in the west during the 30's. He was a communist, so of course he wanted to target workers with his writings. Radio did exist, but many poor people didn't own one. The only way he could reach out to workers was through newspaperssince it was a cheap and easily accessable medium.


 No.2422465

>>2422409

>Co-ops

wait are there actaully co-ops in Britain? What are they like? I'd love to know. Things like this are considered "bolshevism" where I live.


 No.2422469

>>2422465

Co-op is just a supermarket chain in the UK, its not reffering to actual Co-op/


 No.2422474

>>2422465

Yeah there just like a normal shop but give some money to charity more. I believe the workers get a cut of the profits at the end of the year as well. Histrionically we did have more proper Co-ops but they have faded away. We do still have a "co op" party still but it is merged with Labour (more or less they are still separate but in terms of elections the same) I dont know if they actually are for proper co-ops or not though


 No.2422950

>>2422465

The "Co-OP" is a chain of supermarkets, its not a full on co-op, it still has a hierarchical structure etc. but the workers do have more say in how things are run than usual and get a cut of the profits at the end of the financial year, IIRC they also have some better conditions and benefits and more say in how those conditions and benefits evolve compared to the average workplace


 No.2423573

Christ lads, why are most left-wingers on the internet so fucking snarky and unpleasant? Not you lot though, you're alright


 No.2424128

I am a card-carrying Tory.


 No.2424380

File: 9dccd1e7e65f918⋯.jpg (152.5 KB, 960x720, 4:3, 28660446_10213839436036868….jpg)

Has anyone been getting involved in the uni lecture strikes this week? Its pretty good opportunity to talk to lefty's and bring them further left. Also fun to find out your lecture is a proper socialistic.

>>2424128

>Tory

No one cares


 No.2424510

>>2424380

You care enough to reply.


 No.2424712

100 Labour members are threatening to leave over the ruling about transwomen in the party. That's 0.016% of all current members.

How will Labour recover?


 No.2425585

File: 92bd4a6dfebbd51⋯.png (928.19 KB, 800x1237, 800:1237, ClipboardImage.png)

Jeremy Corbyn blasted for 'mansplaining' International Women’s Day at PMQs

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-blasted-for-mansplaining-international-women-s-day-at-pmqs-a3784001.html

The absolute boy is at it again.


 No.2425625

File: e9396a533c1c51d⋯.png (897.41 KB, 1137x640, 1137:640, e9396a533c1c51d36cced8329c….png)

>>2425585

Blairites on fucking suicide watch


 No.2425629

File: 863288328f9f916⋯.png (891.7 KB, 900x600, 3:2, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2425585

>The Prime Minister fired back at the Labour leader after he said the day was a chance to celebrate and reflect on women’s rights and consider the abuse of human rights in Saudi Arabia.

>Leaning across the despatch box, Mrs May quipped: “Can I thank the right honourable gentleman for telling me that is it International Women’s Day tomorrow. I think that’s what’s called mansplaining.”

>She said: “Labour backbenchers are shouting shame. The link that we have with Saudi Arabia is historic, it is an important one and it has saved the lives of potentially hundreds of people in this country.”

>Mr Corbyn said she must call for the end of “shocking abuse of human rights” in Saudi Arabia at her meeting with Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman.

>She replied: “I welcome the fact the Crown Prince will be sitting down with a female Prime Minister.”

Absolutely livid right now. I wish someone fucking shoots the bitch and the saudi faggot while they're at it.


 No.2425630

File: 5384fe8cce6db51⋯.jpg (85.85 KB, 512x768, 2:3, absolute.jpg)


 No.2425633

File: 38e82889cb3ea96⋯.jpg (93.04 KB, 960x720, 4:3, 38e82889cb3ea96601613ce5cf….jpg)

>>2425585

When the tories start attacking you from the liberal-left, you know victory is at hand.


 No.2425652

>>2425629

Corbyn still refuses to say that Saudi Arabia and Britain are committing genocide in Yemen.


 No.2425698

>>2425652

>Mr Corbyn added that 600,000 children in Yemen had cholera "because of the US-Saudi bombing campaign and the blockade", and asked why British arms sales to Saudi Arabia had "sharply increased".

>"Germany has suspended arms sales to Saudi Arabia but British arms sales have sharply increased, and British military advisers are directing war," he said.

>"It cannot be right that her government is colluding in what the United Nations says is evidence of war crimes. Will you use your meeting today with the crown prince to halt the arms supplies and demand an immediate ceasefire in Yemen?"

He's literally said today that both are actively committing war crimes, a starvation campaign and should stop.


 No.2425811

>>2425698

He won't call it genocide. Everything is "war crimes," the imperialists are deliberately committing genocide.


 No.2426067

File: b18eeee850083b2⋯.webm (2.16 MB, 640x360, 16:9, corbyn bling.webm)


 No.2426249

File: 52703ca9bdc3259⋯.jpg (96.03 KB, 620x387, 620:387, Fuck sakes Buzz.jpg)

>>2425629

Good God she really is insufferable


 No.2426529

File: 96fbfef245e2cfd⋯.jpg (4.8 MB, 3968x2976, 4:3, IMG_20180308_124533.jpg)

Walked past the UCU strike picket today. Anyone involved at all? Hope they get on well though.


 No.2426543

>>2426532

Wasn't expecting that. I guess it answers my question though. Didn't realise it was on until I saw you guys. Always nice to see some red flags on my lunch break though.


 No.2428167

File: 0a39bbbe09c8866⋯.jpg (50.16 KB, 480x480, 1:1, state of this country.jpg)


 No.2428174

>>2428167

>that picture

Correction, there shouldn't be such thing as British cuisine.


 No.2428188

>>2428174

>He dosen't like monster munch and black pudding

Look at the state of you


 No.2428202

>>2426529

I was on there too, I was one of the guys selling papers. It's good to see a strike so solid and confident. I always get bored during rallies, I prefer the marching and chanting.


 No.2428215

Corbyn opposes Momentum leader Jon Lansman’s bid for Labour’s general secretary post…http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/09/lans-m09.html

Is this just wooswoos the splitters' paper of note being contrarian Trot cunts, or is there something to this?


 No.2428328

>>2428215

I think its too do with Corbyn wanting a women to have the role and since the women standing cant remember her name is pretty left wing then it makes sense. I dont really understand why he doesn't want Lansman to run maybe to not split the left vote?


 No.2428350

File: b8c96534f5c86cd⋯.png (1.37 KB, 44x47, 44:47, thinking.png)

>>2426532

>centre left

>ancom flag


 No.2428352

>>2428350

fuck me, what happened to that pic


 No.2428386

>>2368489

Imagine being this delusional


 No.2429553

File: e6774113ca47114⋯.jpg (624.81 KB, 2192x2372, 548:593, corbyn freddos.jpg)

YES, PRIME MINISTER.


 No.2429595

>>2428167

>heinz baked beans

>pizza

is this real? please be real

i have to find out if they're selling this here


 No.2429651

Is it worth reading neoclassical economic theory?

It seems so fucking boring.


 No.2430377

File: 3efb56eeefbe94e⋯.jpg (1.21 MB, 1600x900, 16:9, 20180310_BRD000_0.jpg)

>One threat to the liberal order comes from Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party. Mr Corbyn is a classic left-wing populist, convinced that life is a never-ending struggle between the virtuous masses and the wicked elites. Some of his main advisers are Marxists who regard political institutions as instruments of class power. Mr Corbyn became leader by bypassing Labour MPs and appealing to party activists. He has warned right-wing newspapers that “change is coming”. John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, called for a million people to take to the streets to protest against the result of last year’s general election. High among Labour’s priorities is repealing legislation that prevents co-ordinated strikes

https://www.economist.com/news/britain/21738377-british-institutions-may-not-withstand-authoritarian-populist-wave-it-could-happen-britain

What did The Economist mean by this?


 No.2430380

File: 5780b8ed0002b2a⋯.pdf (2.71 MB, Fine - Microeconomics.pdf)

>>2429651

Yeah but from a Marxist professor.


 No.2430414

File: 5b7c2a70c81af07⋯.jpg (152 KB, 900x1200, 3:4, 296.jpg)

>>2430377

>shitting yourself over a kindly old SocDem


 No.2430465

>>2430377

>High among Labour’s priorities is repealing legislation that prevents co-ordinated strikes

As it fucking should be.

And another thing: Companies should have to pay their striking employees. Not the full pay rate* - but say 50-70% of normal wage. If you provoke your workers into a strike, you should pay regardless. The stability of their conditions is more important than the stability of enterprise cash-flow.

*I mean while I'd personally like people to go on strike just because it's summer and it's more comfortable on the picket line than in the office, it might make the policy too easy to repeal…


 No.2430488

>>2424380

I've been going in to help strik on the days I've had lectures. I'd go in everyday but I'm sadly doing an MA so I need to dedicate an ungodly amount of time to researching my final dissertation. The strike seems to have been relatively successful here, although its week 4 now (the final week to my knowledge) and a lot of people are starting to get sick of it. Still we have managed to convince rather a few people to either join the picket or go home.


 No.2430490

>>2430488

As an additional, someone keeps scrawling 'Scab Receptacle' on the dustbins near my Uni.


 No.2430502

>>2430377

>Mr Corbyn is a classic left-wing populist

what? How? Why do liberals love calling evrybody who has actual political stances a populist?


 No.2430529

>>2430502

Whilst I'm willing to admit he has 'popular' policies, some of them are popular for legitimate reasons. Again, Liberals can't seem to fathom that people want actual economic change instead of limp-wristed social policy that promises much but delivers little.


 No.2430647

File: 130a4c4167fc64d⋯.mp4 (8.95 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Mark Blyth Trump Story.mp4)

>>2430502

>>2430529

populism is a specific thing where you posit the existence of an elite that is controlling everything to the detriment of the common/ordinary man.

this should stand out particularly to the left because it's particularly apparent from the right, where they try to paint Labour as the party of gays, weirdo trade unionists, feminists, communists, vegans, animal rights clubs, doleys and immigrants. who are of course either part of the liberal elite, or their playthings. (so naturally we should vote for a derivatives trader from south of watford to depose those elites and rule in the interest of the REAL common man, namely Richard Littlejohn.)

while the forces that propel Corbyn probably have in large part a populist root - that is, the same undercurrent force that propels populists to power, Corbyn is an interesting case because he's not really a populist at all, he lacks the personal demagoguery, and his narrative has significantly greater vintage than "NAFTA means we're being ripped off in trade". Much like the SNP, he's been an interesting relic of the prior order thrust into an advantageous position.

the problem with liberals is that liberals don't do politics. but there's another one - and this one is more baseline, and perhaps why Corbyn can appear populist, and where he comes closest to populism: He has a story he can tell you. mp4 related. What was Clinton's "story"? What was May's story? Cameron had a story - the last government spent too much, we're going to have to do hard things to make it better. Blair had a story. The leave campaign had a story. The Scottish 'Yes' movement had a story. The 'No' campaign had scare stories but no story.


 No.2430702

Reminder of the latest election polls

- LAB: 44% (+1)

- CON: 37% (-3)

- LDEM: 9% (+1)


 No.2430751

File: 7fb3495c047e7e7⋯.png (23.94 KB, 1024x600, 128:75, trotskyist_soviet_flag_by_….png)

If you support Corbyn and you're not a Trotsky you're not even entry level labour.


 No.2430766

>>2430751

>t.SWP Memeber


 No.2430788

>>2430766

>Join labour

>Take part in voting via e-mail

>Vote against al lthe blairite peices of shit

>???

>Profit


 No.2430797

>>2430377

>VOTING FOR CORBYN WILL LITERALLY BRING STALIN BACK FROM THE DEAD TO PERSONALLY EXECUTE THE ROYAL FAMILY AND STOMP OVER LONDON WITH HIS IRON BOOTS, USHERING AN AGE OF EXTREME ISLAMIC COMMUNISM

L M A O


 No.2431527

File: 868d69abe6f4867⋯.png (14.74 KB, 717x367, 717:367, ClipboardImage.png)

>put up this statue of thatcher or you're a sexist

Whew lads. It would be mildly entertaining to see how fast it got vandalised if they did put one up though.


 No.2431565

>>2431527

They had to put the last one in Parliament to stop people. If it's not under guard I bet a tenner someone will having her head as a doorstop in a week.


 No.2431613

>>2431527

it looks like british liberals are worse than burger ones…


 No.2436195

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLp7LtXmy68

they invited Farage to "diss" the EU. Fucking Farage. PragerU is the single worst thing on youtube. And the retarded amerifats are praising him in the comments, saying shit like "My favourite thing about this channel is they don't get some random guy to talk about the issue, not even someone who studies the subject, but someone who has first hand experience on the issue and can give insider information." Like holy shit why are ameircans so fucking dumb


 No.2436214

does anyone have some good IRA memes for St st Patrick's day tomorrow?


 No.2436235

File: d2aa5fcc7ffec6e⋯.jpg (16.24 KB, 479x199, 479:199, 1455410243739-1.jpg)

File: 08771d8f55832d5⋯.png (75.29 KB, 480x360, 4:3, Smug O'Neil.png)

File: fd5daaba21e5e60⋯.jpg (58.8 KB, 374x767, 374:767, 37a0ff3eff985c9d643c2401c4….jpg)

>>2436214

Here's your Republican meme starter part.


 No.2436236

File: 86b2085d59763ff⋯.png (215.08 KB, 480x360, 4:3, 1497424377533.png)

File: 6499300dd76be4e⋯.jpg (22.19 KB, 303x413, 303:413, DKdAvAZWkAAqAwU.jpg)

File: 3ad3172ba8212b1⋯.jpg (64.58 KB, 800x600, 4:3, based padraig.jpg)

File: c773a0c91a6e93c⋯.jpg (165.15 KB, 1072x1094, 536:547, connect 32.jpg)

File: 045610046418cd2⋯.jpg (55.26 KB, 633x758, 633:758, ira feels.jpg)


 No.2436238

>>2436236

>>2436235

Thanks comrades


 No.2436251

File: 24eced7872ded40⋯.mp4 (10.81 MB, 720x480, 3:2, MGZ IRA 2.mp4)

Little homemade edit from a Mechagamezilla video


 No.2436362

god 2016 was a trip


 No.2439521

When Blair (pink) says he wants to "reclaim the middle ground"


 No.2442102

>>2436251

>MKZ love on /leftypol/

VERY tasteful


 No.2443654

File: 7ba198376b46555⋯.png (5.18 MB, 2048x1536, 4:3, ClipboardImage.png)

>what level of political spectacle are you on

>maybe like 3 or 4 my dude

>watch this

<throws fish in the thames as a form of protest


 No.2443656

>>2443654

it amazes me how Farage manages to stay so fucking irrelevant after basically getting the UK the leave the EU


 No.2443676

From the right, looking left, Corbyn offers real solutions to three serious problems: housing, health and wages. He is also up against a very weak government that is incapable of delivering on these same three issues for complex reasons.

If you're hurting in this country, and in desperate need of an alternative, Corbyn is the only "make it stop" candidate. "Strong and Stable", on top of being a fraud, also meant more of the same.

Corbyn's best chance for a governable majority with a leftist agenda is for Theresa May's negotiation to collapse. "Brexit" has become a lose-lose situation for the Tories. Victory in a GE depends on people loathing the Tories more than Corbyn. That means getting liberals, brexiteers, globalists on board.

Don't fool yourselves into thinking there has been a far-left revival, until 2017, nobody with national platform has been making the case for that. Corbyn benefits from a referendum crisis and almost a decade of austere neoliberal government. Future public support for socialism will depend on Corbyn making good on government "for the many". Should Labour succeed, he will then be in the position to entrench a permanent realignment that could unwrite Thatcherism and its children.


 No.2443948

>>2443676

if this left resurgence will have any chance of survival in the UK the tories MUST be the ones doing Brexit

brexit will be utter shit any which way, and the average voter will only remember the guy who's in charge while it's all going down, not the retards who actually pulled it off


 No.2444384

Crime is one of the issues that interest me, the way its been surging for the last year or so is a really interesting measure of how much things are going to shit at the moment. Any London fags here to comment on this? The news is going apeshit about crime in London right now, does it feel as bad as they say it is? I know theres definately more shootings and stabbings going on than uual here in Liverpool.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/charity-warns-stabbing-epidemic-will-get-worse-before-it-gets-better-as-figures-reveal-number-of-a3795096.html


 No.2444808

File: e2995014edbb3c0⋯.jpg (50.1 KB, 730x413, 730:413, 767df3be97bafc16fd41c67687….jpg)

>>2443676

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Now get off the computer Tony.


 No.2444810

Anyone else waiting for some big pedophile scandal for the Tory's


 No.2444949

>>2444808

ahahaha fuck me

now just put tony blair's head on the little guy (morty?) instead of the us flag


 No.2445006

Fucking hell the tories are trying to one up eachother on "NO IM ARDER ON RUSSIA", pretty entertaining.


 No.2445015

>>2445006

May trying to do her psudo-Iron Lady Thatcher rip off is embarrassing it would be nice if we didn't try and restart the Cold War again.


 No.2445021

>>2445015

Thing is they are trying it at a time when we are most isolated and our army is dogshite: and they literally cant win becuase there is nothing TO win. The Falklands worked because it was a short snappy war, this is a slow burn crisis at best. It has already faded from the news.


 No.2445787

Why are there only Trot organisations that are prominent and doing anything in the UK (at least among students)?

Should I join one despite not really being a Trot?


 No.2445880

>>2445787

to clarify, I am aware of the existence of the CPGB-ML and such, but their membership size seems insubstantial and are usually very old


 No.2445907

>>2442102

I went in on his Patreon, the podcast that came with it is comfy as hell, and I'm saying that as someone who couldn't get into Mean Bean Machine.


 No.2447143

lmao jezza sacked owen smith


 No.2447992

>>2445787

Nah, most form losey goosey broadfronts that are behind labour now anyways. There used to be the SWP, but they turnednout to be rapists. Best trot group is either AWL, Communist League or just momentum.


 No.2447996

>>2447143

Twatmonger deserved it.


 No.2448225

>>2447992

>AWL

they are compete shit.tbh Momentum if you are in the right place can be proper lefty and is the currently the best organization at promoting the left. The only probably is converting center left people into social democrats, but I find this isnt too hard among young people and students, might struggle a bit with older members.

>>2447143

He had it coming I just cant wait for mandatory re selection.

Is anyone here know how the deselection of candiates like Ben Bradshaw, Chuka Umunna and Owen Smith is going?


 No.2448234

>>2448225

Bit trickey atm, not much change on deselection. Most efforts have been on locals recently: a blairite bourgh mayor in London got deselected and Haringey may elect a socialist council again.


 No.2448269

>>2448234

I heard about the mayor thing, I think where I am still has big support for Blairites even with a student population


 No.2450853

Jewish groups attack Jeremy Corbyn over anti-Semitism

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43536830

Jews going into panic mode about Corbyn again.


 No.2450860

>>2450853

>The far lefts obsessive hatred of zionism

Can someone fill me on what the fuck the Labour antisemitism scandal is actually about, I was a liberal when corbyn was elected leader and missed the start

Is it literally just opposition to zionism or has it something to do with all the trots in the labour party?


 No.2450882

>>2450860

its just cause of opposition to apartheid/zionism

anyone on the left who isn't anti-zionist isn't on the left


 No.2450889

>>2445787

>>2447992

>SWP

You mean a single member was involved but some in the disputes committee who oversaw the case knew the man involved personally. Also, to put things into context, the dispute was brought forward a certain time after the fact which alters the effectiveness of the police. Since then the SWP have completely revamped their procedures to focus on independent inquiries.

>Suggests momentum

Google Bex Bailey

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/28/dossier-on-sexual-misconduct-in-labour-party-sent-to-corbyn

It is hypocrisy to suggest anything to do with Labour. People just don't shit the bed when they see Labour, Catholics or Conservatives organize students. There are many more cases of rape and assault within these groups.

_

I heard a lot of momentum groups end up talking way too much about internal party conflicts. Is this true?


 No.2450943

>>2450860

Literally just "stop being mean about Israel, you are clearly just ANTISEMITES!"


 No.2451112

>>2450889

original guy asking about trot groups here.

>I heard a lot of momentum groups end up talking way too much about internal party conflicts. Is this true?

yes. I went to a few meetings with some trot pals from uni and almost all of it was this. Also, almost everyone in the room was aged like 60+ and they seemed very gracious for our attendance.

>>2447992

isn't being behind labour and critically supporting corbyn the best position atm?


 No.2452503

Since there haven't been any opinion polls since the whole antisemitism thing does anyone think it will actually make a difference. People don't really pay attention to politics outside of elections and local elections are still a month away. I have a horrible feeling Corbyn's ability to resit attacks by the media are going to start to fail


 No.2452507

>>2452503

Polling from the Livingstone case shows the public don't thin Corbyn is an antisemite, but I am seeing a v interesting counter reaction going on to all pf this: almost Trumpian in a way. Jewish people coming out in support of Corbyn v explicitly. And with supporters like the Jewish Voice paper, there is an interesting counter reaction.

Still tho, I hope at least some of the actual anti semites (who are mostly memeri tier wanks or de facto nazbols) get purged: they are as much cancer as the blairites.

Oh also John Woodcock is a snake.


 No.2452638

>>2452507

You could be right, I wouldn't be surprised in a week that everyone has forgotten about this.

Purging anti-Semites is pretty easy but purging blairites is seeming a lot harder. I think Momentum is now officially campaigning for mandatory re-selction. I guess when you could have a general election any time in the next 4 years you dont want to rock the boat too much.


 No.2452701

>>2452638

One way to ensure reselection is to go to the 600 boundaries.


 No.2452739

>>2452701

They almost certainly wont go to 600 MPs, the boundary changes are kind of fucked because they took so long to work out the data is now pretty old (2011 I think) and unfairly helps the Tory's. Also no MP is going to agree to cutting the numbers they dont want to loose their job


 No.2453713

>watching Peep Show on 4OD (yeah I know I know, I don't torrent on my PC)

>ad break

>figure I'll tab out and wait for them to run through

>realise five minutes later that the fucking ads pause if you leave the tab

For fuck's sake.


 No.2453978

File: 6a2735531668050⋯.png (381.54 KB, 429x563, 429:563, save our bacon.png)

>>2452503

I honestly think the opposite. Just like the boy who cried wolf every time a ridiculous unsubstantiated smear is made against him that's forgotten about a week later it makes it even harder for any genuine criticism or a non-ridiculous smear to stick.

If the man can survive "he was a COMMUNIST SPY" AND "he hates Jewish people" what chance does a Milliband-style bacon sarnie pic have?


 No.2453992

File: 97eed9abf8e7a7c⋯.png (1.26 MB, 1920x1200, 8:5, Screenshot_20180328-020038.png)

>>2453713

On this note: Super Hans was in Doctor Who.

>>2453978

This tbh. He has reached "trump level" teflon.


 No.2454002

>>2453713

have the tabs you wont to look at in a separate window on one half of the screen and then ads in the other half, then mute the ads.

>>2453978

His base supports is pretty strong idk if that's enough to win a general election by itself though


 No.2454438


 No.2454448

>>2454438

>John Woodcock

Fuggin anglos


 No.2454546

Thoughts on Blue Labour?


 No.2454553

>>2454546

Originally thought they were a blairite outfit, but the stuff i've seen seems to be pretty decent.


 No.2454557

Hey Brits, Kraut here. Recently the whole "Corbyn = Antisemite" gained traction in our media, how do I argue against liberals who are convinced that Corbyn and the Labour Party are raging antisemites? I was linked this as "proof":

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mendelpol/status/978009855477809153?s=19

I know nothing about Brit politics but from an outsiders perspective Corbyn seems to be pretty cool and this sounds like your same old smearing campaign. Is there a compilation of debunking this shit or proof that Corbyn is not an antisemite?


 No.2454563

>>2454557

I wish he was an antisemite. Alas, as you suspected, it's just the usual slander against those who dare to challenge neoliberal economics (not that Corbyn is even particularly extreme in that sense).

Unbelievably, the media over here are still going on about the whole "Hitler was a zionist" fiasco.


 No.2454973

>>2454557

This is literally just a shift in tactics by blairites and conservatives

They tried smearing him as a pinko commie that wanted to cut Richard Branson's hands and feet off and throw him in a small room with a starving pig but then it turned out that young people liked that sort of thing, so now they're going after him for being an antisemite because he doesn't like Zionism

The entire crux of the controversy rests on him speaking up for an artist being censored for anti capitalist art that featured a figure that kind of sort of looked like the happy merchant if you squinted

Also bring up that one of the Jewish pressure groups that responded specifically mentioned "the far left's outrageous hatred of zionism" in their open letter about it


 No.2455314

>>2454973

The issue is that there are actual anti semites in labour, but this is being turned into a witch hunt.

The tories have fucked up though, they called for a day of debte on it in the commons: which will alienate normal jews that just don't want to be harassed since it overtly been made party political.


 No.2455329

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/03/combat-left-anti-semitism-corbynism-must-change-way-it-sees-world?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Good take from the NS: people are applying right wing conspiracy theories to leftwing anti-cap, muh joos results from this.


 No.2458992

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43605840

They have got fucking Eddie Izzard on the NEC

I think this antisemitism thing has worked Corbyn is fucked and with no one good to replace him.

I guess we wont know how badly this has effected Labour until May's local elections so you never know


 No.2458998

>>2458992

Eh the NEC is still majority leftist.

The anti-semitism thing is not going to impact things that much, it is mostly liberals and conservatives reeing on twitter: the general public honestly don't care (although unfortunately he is likely to gain the support of actual anti-semites now).

As for people to replace him, there are actually quite a few: Lisa Nandy, Clive Lewis, Chris Williamson all spring to min. At the end of the day the brains of the operation is John McDonnell: if he is still shadow chancellor the ideological basis of the movement is secure.

As for the local elections: it will have zero impact outside of barnet (which has the highest jewish population of any local gov district in the country). The tories were fucked from the get-go, this crisis, if it has an impact, will swing people towards the lib dems, not to the tories. And besides, national politics tends to have v little impact on local elections most of the time: my CLP has found only one person in all our canvassing that mentioned the anti-semitism row. This is a major moment in the party, but honestly I think we will come out of it stronger than before, not weaker.


 No.2459166

https://skwawkbox.org/2018/04/01/exclusive-interview-with-new-nec-member-izzard/]

Want some fucking rage fuel? He is now on the lab NEC. You know what pisses me off? He mentions his fucking marathons more than actual cocking policy. He isn't a blairite because he has no fucking convictions, just feelings about shit. Fuck me sideways.


 No.2459192

>>2458992

I just don't get it

surely they needed to hold an election to fill the spot

I mean clearly they didn't, but why?


 No.2459204

>>2459192

The reason is because he was next in line in the list. Despite its rapid growth into a mass membership movement: the Labour party's institutions are still keyed towards oligarchy and 200k members (this is one of the reasons why it takes months for some anti semitism claims to be dealt with, the mechanism isn't designed to handle this many people). As such, despite the radical move to make members of the NEC elected, they didn't create any casual vacancy procedure besides "the next in line gets it".

Considering Labour is a party that is unique in Europe in terms of its composition, these are teething problems that will need to be dealt with .


 No.2460350

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/apr/02/teachers-warn-of-growing-poverty-crisis-in-british-schools

>“We have a food bank, so we give out food parcels, particularly on Fridays, we buy clothing, we do a lot of buying, particularly coats in winter and shoes,” Regan said. “We’ve had children who haven’t come to school because they didn’t have shoes. We’ve gone and bought shoes, taken them to their house and brought the child into school.”

jfc, this is some 1900s-tier shit man.


 No.2460365


 No.2460522

>>2460350

Parents are a big problem in this. For example I have known parents who were drug users and didn't feed their children because they spent all their money on drugs, so the school had to. The social services didn't care either because they did not consider the children at risk because they were not at threat of violence.

I'd estimate that about 70% of children in dire need come from families were the parents are too irresponsible/incompetent to care for them properly rather than it being an issue of poverty.

t. teacher


 No.2460688

>>2460522

Nice statistic can I have a sauce with that?


 No.2460694

>>2460522

Joking aside alot of my family works in social services and they would disagree with you about this. Saying that poverty does often leave to drug abuse, moreover its hard to look after your kids if your working 60+ hour weeks on minimum wage


 No.2461110

>>2460688

I did say that it was from my own experience. I work in a very deprived area so I think I see a lot of the reality of it.

>>2460694

Drug abuse leads to poverty, the other way is not so clear cut. Also it is not just drug abuse, it is just parents being downright terrible at being parents.

>60+ hour weeks on minimum wage

Please bare in mind that where I work most of the children come from families were people have not worked in decades.


 No.2461241

Holy fuck

New Guido hit piece

https://order-order.com/2018/04/02/corbyn-last-night-met-far-left-group-who-attacked-his-jewish-critics-as-non-jews/

>Jeremy Corbyn attended an event tonight hosted by a far-left group that has called for the destruction of Israel, dismissed the Labour anti-Semitism scandal as a “cynical manipulation” and labelled Corbyn’s Jewish critics “non-Jews”.

>Jewdas describes itself as a “radical” group that “opposes capitalism” and wants to “overthrow the state”

>It has tweeted that “Israel is itself a steaming pile of sewage which needs to be properly disposed of”

>It is viciously critical of mainstream Jewish groups. Last week it attacked the Board of Deputies of British Jews and the Jewish Leadership Council response to the Labour anti-Semitism scandal as “playing a dangerous game with people’s lives”

>It dismissed the Labour anti-Semitism scandal as a “bout of faux-outrage”

>It claimed the anti-Semitism row “is the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party”

>In a blog post on its website four days ago, it labelled Jewish Chronicle editor Stephen Pollard a “non-Jew”

>Corbyn could have chosen to meet with the Board of Deputies, the Jewish Leadership Council, the Jewish Labour Movement or another mainstream Jewish group. Instead he went to Seder with Jewdas, a far-left group which is shunned by mainstream Jews, called for the Israel to be “disposed of” and has launched vitriolic attacks against Corbyn’s Jewish critics. For Corbyn to meet such a group is outrageous, but to do so after everything that has happened over the last two weeks shows a complete contempt for mainstream British Jews. This is going to be very, very difficult for Jezza to explain…

I'm honestly very upset right now, this could potentially end Corbyn's leadership. If the media spins it that Jewdas is an anti-Semetic group then Corbyn is finished.

I'm especially worried about the Isreal tweet. That is going to be used as evidence that Jewdas is anti-semetic.

I don't think Jewdas are anti-Semitic and I don't see anything particularly objectionable here myself apart from the Isreal tweet, but fucking why would he attend this meeting in the midst of this media shitstorm around anti-Semitism. The absolute fucking madman just gave the blarites fucking dynamite.


 No.2461692

>>2461241

The group is a Jewish group its not antisemitic at all.


 No.2461711

>>2461241

if the media manages to label a jewish group as anti semitic I'm gonna fucking lose my shit.


 No.2461718

File: ee4188b463ae828⋯.jpg (36.73 KB, 547x692, 547:692, c65.jpg)

>>2461241

>Jewish group is now anti-semitic for criticising Israel


 No.2461720

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43624231

At least the bbc says they are a Jewish group. Which is pretty surprising considering how openly anti labour they have become this past month or so


 No.2461745

>>2461241

As I said in the thread about this: it is backfiring and the actual jewish community is getting tired of this shit.

https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/980942124362366977

To note, he wrote a v good piece in the Guardian about the concepts of anti-semitism and is not a rabid Corbynite whatsoever. The best part is Eagle and Woodcock described this as anti-semitic, and now a load of people are tweeting quotes from members of the Jewish community saying "lol no this is actually kinda a good thing".

There is going to be a debate on anti-semitism on the 4th, I think for the tories it is not going to go as well as they would have hoped. I hope Ed Miliband pipes up, would be entertaining.


 No.2461756

>>2461745

It does seem this is a all guns blazing to undermined Corbyn, with even the BBC taking party. Corbyn is certainly weakened by whats going on and could have dealt with it better but does seem to have survived it. Who knows what the next attack will be, I hope Labour gets some plans on how to cope with these attacks.


 No.2461759

>>2461720

they don't mention it in the headline which is the only thing a lot of people read.


 No.2461762

>>2461756

I have seen so many non-jews shout this is offensive and actual jews say this is fine, the house of cards is coming down. The locals will be fine and the liberals will have an aneurysm trying to work out how.


 No.2461767

>>2461762

I'm expecting (and hoping) a similar thing to the General Election. That week of liberals being interviewed trying to explain how they got it so wrong


 No.2461811

>>2461241

>this could potentially end Corbyn's leadership

Okay I completely wrong about this.

The absolute boy has just played a blinder.

He's literally just baited blairites into criticising him for attending a jewish event, thereby exposing their hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of the smear campaign against him.

He's a fucking genius master of 10D chess


 No.2461823

>>2461811

I think the real brains is McDonnell or Lansman but this is turning out a pretty good move


 No.2461852

>>2461811

John Woodcock and Stella Creasy have been reported to teh whips office: this could literally get them kicked out of the PLP. Fucking hell Jez never stop you are a fucking hero.

>>2461823

Actually apparently this was an event he was going to anyways, just turned out to be a fucking absolute blinder.


 No.2461853

File: c4d98d08957dbc5⋯.jpg (141.26 KB, 590x782, 295:391, DZ3AwDGXkAITUxA.jpg)

Holy fucking shit Jewdas as based as fuck.


 No.2461855

File: 71f8cf989b5500c⋯.jpg (6.76 KB, 300x168, 25:14, an excited anime.jpg)

>>2461852

>John Woodcock and Stella Creasy have been reported to teh whips office: this could literally get them kicked out of the PLP.

PLEASE


 No.2461857

>>2461852

Being kicked out of the PLP doesn't mean a bi-election does it? Do you have a link to this


 No.2461858

>>2461855

They probs won't: but John Woodcock has talked of walking already. I really fucking hope he joins the tories: a blairite joining the conservatives would end the project once and for all.

The icing on the cake would be beating him in the subsequent by-election.


 No.2461864

>>2461857

It doesn't have to, but in the case Woodcock resigns the whip, its customary but not required for MPs to resign and fight a by-election.


 No.2461866

>>2461864

This. His seat is nearly a pure lab-con marginal, so it is difficult to see where he would go. Even if he is an independent, the tories need the seat so I imagine they would nominate someone still. Now I have heard (any local anons to Cumbria correct me) but that he is personally unpopular, so it is possible if he were indy/lib dem that either him, the tories or lab could win. Would be fun to watch.


 No.2461867

File: 358a294ee88e381⋯.jpg (14.85 KB, 320x322, 160:161, wiseau.jpg)

>>2461853

>passing on memes which we recieve from God


 No.2461871

File: 8fa89ef06fe97bf⋯.jpg (67.75 KB, 630x630, 1:1, absoluteboy.jpg)


 No.2461876

>>2461866

The General rule is opposition wins bi-elections, and considering how quickly Labour could flood the area with activist compared to the conservatives it will almost certain stay Red. The question is who Labour nominates to stand


 No.2461877

>>2461876

Eh these are weird times: also if Woodcock goes Lib dem (or they run in alliance with him) it could just-as-well go to them.

Will be fun to watch regardless.


 No.2462044

Holy shit, it turns out Port Down can't even fucking prove the Nerve Agent was produced by Russia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43633694

THE ABSOLUTE BOY WAS RIGHT AGAIN

You know what fuck it he is the next Lenin: he has just absolutely destroyed the two last attempts to destroy him.


 No.2462070

File: 88222e2d50ccf4e⋯.jpg (161.52 KB, 1000x830, 100:83, 1485833334788.jpg)

File: 2f89e7abcd135dd⋯.png (520.33 KB, 599x667, 599:667, 1491444425354.png)

File: 084305e84221aae⋯.jpg (300.66 KB, 898x1909, 898:1909, 1485833334789.jpg)

>>2461718

>criticizing giving Ethiopian Jews birth control without their knowledge or consent is now anti-Semitic

>not condoning genocide of jews is anti-semitic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYx5mphHAiw


 No.2462927

>>2461853

God damn


 No.2462930

File: 64384b26ceb6b9a⋯.jpg (50.32 KB, 437x616, 437:616, absolutely disgusting.jpg)

>>2462926

>brit/pol/


 No.2462954

>>2461241

This won’t hurt Jeremy. None of his supporters think he’s anti-semtic. And the people who currently don’ support him don’t care if he was.


 No.2463100

https://twitter.com/geoffreyjewdas/status/981449303553175552

>"They raised a beetroot and shouted 'fuck capitalism' "

Honestly Jewdas are my new favourite group they're beyond based, we need a new term for them.


 No.2466665

Anyone else think this recent hysteria of knife crime in london is a pretext for something?

It went down to its lowest in 2014 only to "suddenly" spike up then after. I'm thinking it's a pretext for another huge wave of gentrification and social cleansing. Whip up enough fear among the middle classes who are already living in london and none of them will care will "problem people" are forced out into the outer rim.

I distinctly remember in 2006-2010 the same mass fear about knife crime, and I can also remember a huge flood of middle class people moving into london soon after.

I mean, we only really know what the media permits us to know, they are the narrative. And when they want us to know of another social plague - whether it be terrorism, benefit thieves, young people; they will.

It just seems like we ALWAYS have some big fear gripping the country, or some social illl that needs immediate addressing.

Yet in this case, I'm certain that it's all a justification to push the remaining poors out of london, to go forth with more redevelopment and to meet the demand for housing in the city (for wealthy people).


 No.2466667

>>2466665

http://www.ukcrimestats.com/Subdivisions/GLA/2247/

Crime has been sort of stable for a while, there's nothing freakish about the recent string of deaths save their coverage.


 No.2466720

>>2466665

Nothing to do with housing, those goals are too abstracted from simple crime/object control. The end state of this will probably be checkpoints inside major government buildings (already the case in America), hospitals, stores and apartment buildings. A knife ban will extend to all types of knives, except ones with a rounded tip to prevent stabbing (without modification). This will obviously be done to oppress people and control them.

This isn't even the end of it, the true end of this road are battery bans and controls over cleaning chemicals to thwart acid attacks.


 No.2467255

>>2466665

I've seen a couple of anti-knife posters up in town recently so it's obviously something they're trying to push. Obviously think that we're going to lead a revolution wit a couple of knifes.

Mostly unrelated but I read today that suberbs outside the city in the US are considered areas where the rich live wheras here thats where most concil estates are with the poorer population.


 No.2467360

The nation that invented liberal capitalism… is a whore to American capitalism.


 No.2467667

>>2466665

>Anyone else think this recent hysteria of knife crime in london is a pretext for something?

>conspiratorial thinking

it's just your standard alarmist news exaggerating the scale of the problem to sell to outrage junkies. Who knows, it could lead to social cleansing by whipping up fears, but I highly doubt it's intentional.

>It just seems like we ALWAYS have some big fear gripping the country, or some social illl that needs immediate addressing.

I'm sure this is right though, it's a way for society to collectively project its existential fears onto something.


 No.2468122

Westminster voting intention: CON: 42% (-1) LAB: 41% (+2) LDEM: 7% (-1) via @YouGov, 04 - 05 Apr

The jew thing really didn't work did it


 No.2468126

>>2468122

I personally don't see it as that insomuch as it is Lab infighting allowing the Tories to continue being shit, worthless and incompetent. There is absolutely no fucking reason why May should continue being in power but she is because half of Lab has their heads up their asses over Brexit.

Like seriously let's sit here and imagine a scenario where Lab (Corbyn or otherwise) leans 100% into Brexit, at least saying that it should happen. May would suddenly have to deliver a hard Brexit a thing most Tories do not want. The tables would be flipped and we'd get a nice fat Lab majority. But nooooo this can't happen because half of Labor is so utterly cucked by idpol and wants another Blair or god forbid a Macron.


 No.2468133

>>2468122

The salt on twitter is going to be great.

>>2468126

Eh nah, remember even during the poll tax and the Maastricht crises neither Kinnock nor Smith nor Blair could oust the gov. Governments fall because their backbenchers rebel, not because the opposition is especially good.

Also on the Macron thing, this hype around David Miliband is starting to worry me a smidge…


 No.2468142

>>2468126

>>2468122

>>2468133

I was right, the twitter salt is glorious.

In other news the BNP is officially dead as anelectoral force.


 No.2468169

>>2468142

The BNP were dead the moment a remotely competent party, UKIP, came along. And even UKIP leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to being a functional organization.


 No.2468183

>>2468169

And UKIP is dead now


 No.2468342

>>2422414

Former SWP here. It became part of their business model once they started shedding members even before the whole comrade delta scandal. The routine goes a little bit like this:

>hopeful member buys papers

>induct him/her into party since papers are only available from SWP stalls

>member becomes fee paying (the emphasis on signing up quickly and efficiently with handing over credit card info is scary here)

>induct new member to sell papers

>6 months later now grizzled and cynical trot splits/leaves party in disgust, hopefully he/she recruited more than 1 member to replace

OR

>new member embraced the cult, they will now sell papers forever = PROFIT

Brit trots are basically bottomfeeders. Half the party is oriented around the paper because of how much cash rolls in, it's easy to peddle the papers away (or at least it was) at any big demo or march that happens bringing in loads of cash. And the overheads for the paper are tiny because they use their own members as unpaid staff and even transport. I have a story about how an organiser called me up to take a train down to Manchester to pick up stacks of papers and deliver them all the way up to Glasgow. This is apparently how they distribute them across the country. They even asked me if I could pay for my own ticket, but I was getting disillusioned by that point so I insisted they cover it.

tl;dr brit trots are a failed pyramid scheme


 No.2468351

>>2453713

>>realise five minutes later that the fucking ads pause if you leave the tab

>black mirror irl


 No.2468584

File: 61eddf4d9ed55a4⋯.gif (3.14 MB, 333x250, 333:250, 1496958810987.gif)

>>2468142

Post yfw Labour mops up the BNP vote thanks to the anti-Semitism smear


 No.2468688

>>2468342

Holy shit…

Kinda makes sense why they target uni students though, they're in it for 3 years and in that time they recruit enough people.

>>2468584

Half the salt on twitter was "hurr durr BNP voters joining labour"


 No.2468701

File: caf1bff5cf6394f⋯.webm (3.64 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RT.webm)


 No.2468707

>>2468701

I think that this rappresents really well neo liberal globalist ideology. If this women was a muslim there would be (fake) indignation all over european media. But she is a russia, so evil, so fuck her remeber tho, corbyin is a fascist because he doesn't want unlimited and uncontrolled immigration


 No.2468710


 No.2468721

File: a932c6c46a7f7b5⋯.gif (3.45 MB, 377x372, 377:372, laughing.gif)

>>2468710

wonderful


 No.2468724

>>2468710

Oh god please let this happen. I want the tories to get their own SDP


 No.2468726

File: f5e6b803bb3fdad⋯.jpg (11.72 KB, 250x201, 250:201, 2ae4bcdf810f39ee7caebcc417….jpg)

>>2468724

There are actually viable replacements for May now? What's going on?


 No.2468733

>>2468724

Well the thing is, if the London tories go: the Scottish ones won't be far behind…

>>2468726

Literally the top three replacements in terms of bookies' odds are: Rees-Mogg, boris and Gove. The tories are fucked.


 No.2468735

>>2468733

>Literally the top three replacements in terms of bookies' odds are: Rees-Mogg, boris and Gove. The tories are fucked.

Are they actually more popular alternatives to May? Last I checked nobody liked May, but they liked all alternatives even less.


 No.2468742

File: d22f24c8a8b7932⋯.jpg (65.81 KB, 800x600, 4:3, nuclear apocalypse.jpg)

>brexit deadline is now less than a year away

who's prepared for the absolute carnage that will result from it? can't wait


 No.2468743

>>2468735

Amidst the members "none of the above" is literally the most popular among members. Only two people could run the tories well enough not to have it die totally: Ruth Davidson and Rees-Mogg. The former would lead the party into a new era of effectively blue blairism, bringing it into the centre. The latter would either be the tory Corbyn or the tory Foot: a radical that would either flop or attract massive support. However, much like Foot, Mogg has the potential to split the party also: moderates hate him, the Scottish tories hate him (he is avidly anti-devolution) and he would never get a deal with the DUP (he is catholic).


 No.2468754

>>2468742

The world economy will have crashed harder than 1929 by then and all the absolute geniuses in this country will blame brexit for it just like they did labour for 2008.


 No.2468857

>>2468743

Mogg is hated by everyone in and out of the party. Philip Hammond is the most likely candidate as Ruth Davidson wouldn't be able to run (she would have to be a MP) but is fairly popular. The Tory's are fucked May is useless but anyone else could end in a split of the party. If the local elections go really badly for them we could see May kicked out. I think its pretty unlikely it would have to be a pretty bad result.

>>2468710

>log in to read rest of article

no thanks

This would be great if it happened though


 No.2468859

We have reached the bump limit haven't we?


 No.2468876

File: 06263e63274a2bc⋯.png (301.23 KB, 300x439, 300:439, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2468859

Looks like its time for a new /leftybrit/ thread some time soon


 No.2468886

File: 58f81182d521fb4⋯.jpg (123.61 KB, 882x731, 882:731, reallystrainsthenoggin.jpg)

N E W C E N T R I S T P A R T Y

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/07/new-political-party-break-mould-westminster-uk-brexit

>While figures from across the political spectrum are said to be involved in Franks’s project, much of its policy platform appears to be aimed mainly at a liberal, centre-left audience. Potential policy proposals include asking the rich to pay a fairer share of tax, better funding for the NHS and improved social mobility. However, it also backs centre-right ideas on wealth creation and entrepreneurship, and is keen to explore tighter immigration controls.


 No.2468894

File: ce4ce46fd8399b2⋯.png (75.72 KB, 880x492, 220:123, spooky.PNG)

>>2468876

Here you go

>>2468893

Hope it's actually reached bump limit, otherwise this is awkward


 No.2468897

>>2468886

>get their retarded neolib policies rejected wholesale by the electorate

>"lets make another 'centrist' party"

they just don't give up do they?


 No.2468904

>>2468897

I've no idea why they don't just rebrand the Liberal Democrats (which is what Tim Farron wanted to do), and pour the money into that.

Tony Blair and Nick Clegg were supposedly meeting quite frequently over it, suppose it all went to shit after the 2017 GE.


 No.2469074

>>2468743

Ruth Davidson could crush Corbyn to be honest. She'll appeal to the bourgeois lib dem voters and ardent remainer neolibs. Especially if she goes for soft brexit. Heck she'd probably attract a few right wing Labour MPs to join the Tories.

On the other hand, while I expect Mogg wouldn't be that popular amongst the public, if he appealed to enough people to get elected then he'd fucking destroy this country. Endless and harder austerity than even Greece endured. Mogg youth thugs marching in the streets and beating up muslims. It's horrible to imagine.


 No.2469713

>>2468904

Because a "sexy new party" gets headlines. What they will do, if they get any traction whatsoever, IS form an alliance with the lib dems and eventually consume them.

Now how about John Woodcock jojns the and we get a thrilling byelection, eh?




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