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How can a lefty exploit this to their advantage? Is it too soon to try? DOW down about 1000 points since Thursday.
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Way to fumble at the last minute. Pluge Protection Gang btfo going into the holidays.
Also, US markets are closed tomorrow for American Superindulgence day - enjoy sitting in the red till' Friday, PPG.
LMAO @ the pic
fucking black friday and xmas shopping will save them
>American Superindulgence day
>he thinks these prices are low
When this is over you won't even be able to afford to BORROW a toothbrush.
After thanksgiving, massive sales start. Things that usually go for hundreds or thousands of dollars are slashed to a fraction of their usual price.
What follows is 48+ hours of an absolute shopping frenzy. There are stampedes. People get trampled. A year's worth of pressure under everyday capitalism is released, and the effect is explosive and devastating. You are watching people scramble for life boats that have been designed to be too few in number for everyone.
thanks for this… vivid… explanation.
>finally get fucked by porky at age 90
>rate them one out of five stars
>shorting natural gas before winter
Hey momma! Check a this outta! It's a gonna crasha.
>This year, try talking about money around the Thanksgiving table.
>Discussing finances with family and friends is rarely easy, but it can be refreshing
just crash and burn and die already
I feel really bad for them desu they got absolutly shafted by Germany and Europe and they got nothing in return.
oh and the IMF of course
Australias Property Bubble Bursting
Price falls in Sydney and Melbourne faster than during the great recession or any other event in at least 30 years: Sydney https://twitter.com/DocNicolaPowell/status/1055939261554319360 and Melbourne https://twitter.com/DocNicolaPowell/status/1055950182574055426
Only in 3 other extreme events have clearance rates been in the 30s in Sydney: https://twitter.com/LouiChristopher/status/1053585757351231488
crypto people are fucking crazy
You have to take into account that half of them are LARPers and that a lot of people in the other half have less than $100 in cold immaterial internet cash
The general rule of thumbs is that the deeper they invest the more delusional and wishful they get. These people really thought that they bought winning lottery tickets.
What's with the super autistic names
maybe they are super autists?
>Chinese porky can't use housing to hide his capital anymore
>a bad thing
Try four days ago.
It's actually gonna drop under 4k today, holy shet.
I feel love in air.
>$52 a barrell
23xxx next week, c'mon
-100 futures on black fucking friday
Holy fuck oil might legitimately go under $50
wank material right there
That like the one good line from that liberal version version.
What does that even mean? Black Friday sales reports club you over the head and rifle through your pockets for yield?
Black Friday, the day the Afrobol Gang got revenge on the Saudis for the East African Slave Trade.
They just meant that black friday sales report can't be used for stock market analysis. Not that the sales were particularly bad.
That just means they're worthless.
What does WORSE than worthless mean?
well if we take worthless to mean no (0) worth, then worse than worthless would mean less than that, ie. net negative.
Worthless : can't be used for speculation
Worse than worthless : can make you lose money
Black Friday: temporary in-store sales
Cyber Monday: temporary online sales
Well from personal experience it seems like our Black Friday was very conservative when it comes to buying things. I'm not sure if this is reflexive of everyone else's but my family hardly bought anything outside of new clothes.
We should note that Black Friday isn't what it used to be. It's becoming less of a spectacle every year. And imo the sales have consistently gotten worse as well.
>The dow has fallen over a 1000 points since monday
Wild for whoms't? I'm as cozy as possible.
For porky, when people who dont have wood stoves can't afford heating like 2008 there's gonna be hell to pay
w-why did it close early?
It has, got to about 23,580.
Even if the stock market crash, what makes you think that people just won't back Trump and become even more reactionary? The difference between Dubya and Trump is the fact that Trump is willing to go out there himself and campaign. Getting people riled up and ready to back him.
>The world is American politics inthis year
Who the hell would he blame for it? His party has control over the government and his pick for FED chair is in charge. I know that Americans can be incredibly dumb, but I highly doubt Trump would be able to deflect blame away from a financial crash.
You're right. Europe is actually considerably more likely to turn over towards reaction and fascism, though I bet their stomach for it won't be as tolerable.
Who the fuck knows, Trumpfags believe that the wildfires in California is fake somehow because fire can't burn cars.
I can't wait until this classcucked normalfag status-symbol of a brand dies.
>Who the hell would he blame for it?
The incoming Democrat-controlled House. Although they won't actually come into power until January.
>apple has lost 300 billions dollars in market value since its high in early october
welp fuck we are close to apples death bed
Yeah I don't know how people like >>2727976 don't get this yet. Trumpets don't care about reality. If the god emperor blames Dems, they'll blame Dems. If he blames China, they'll blame China. If he blames Clinton and the deep state, they'll blame Clinton and the deep state. Even if they don't REALLY believe it, they'll repeat it to themselves and each other and to anyone who will listen until they do. They're a cult.
There will be some who abandon ship if the market crashes, but it's probably an 80/20 split between "cultists" and "supporters of convenience." Funny thing? Once that 20% is gone, the other 80% will get even crazier and become even more divorced from reality. Expect them to start building Trump temples soon after a market crash to keep the faith up.
>Can we have a Zizekian analysis of the Trump cult?
Eh. I will give him this. The Gen Z/Millenial contingent of Trumpfaggotry will probably wither away and die.
>Press C to give Apple CEOs Cansor
And S to shit on his fallen from skyscraper body.
Even if there is no crash, I just want to see them gone so I can laugh at all the isheep on suicide watch.
Could we strike back at porky by convincing enough people to pull all their savings from the bank?
I doubt it. I don't think things really work that way any more.
Maybe if it were a mass, simultaneous withdrawal, but
Tbh with the huge crisis coming there is a significant incentive for that. Maybe if a massive amount of propaganda was deployed at a specific time to tell people that :
>1. banks will collapse and the states wont bail them
>2. there won't be enough money for everyone once it happens
>3. better withdraw before credit cards, checks etc. no longer work
Don't make it a political statement against the bourgeoisie, make it a self-preservation thing.
also if the message is really convincing enough, it will start to spread virally like crazy because if I pulled my savings from the banks [i actually did], I'd want my family and friends to do the same because I wouldn't want them to be ruined, especially if they're working class.
So can we at this point safely say that of the various bubbles that have built up, the tech one has now burst? Question is, what will now be the effects down the line.
It's going to spread to other sectors of activity, the systemic risk is huge and the entire thing is extremely fragile. It's going to spread to the student debt, to emerging countries' debts, to real estate, to basically the entire world economy. The wheels are already in motion and the states are weaker than ever to deal with this.
this gonna be worse than 2008?
Oh yes. French economist Frederic Lordon already made that very clear, we're headed for a 2008-like crisis on steroids.
lol whats gonna happen? fascism?
It's actually very simple. Banks hold the payment infrastructure. Basically the entire backend of payments is going to be paralyzed.
Basically the state cannot allow this to happen else it's pretty much civil war.
Not sure how good the automatic CC are.
A potential problem with that is if people know or understand what FDIC means
Well, if credit is paralyzed, it would mean credit cards wouldn't work, even if you can withdraw your savings. most people don't have much savings at all.
That's never going to be enough for a total systemic disruption (ie what we're headed for). Lordon specifically adresses this point.
What would you do with your savings? Surely you're not hoarding cash?
I bought physical gold but at this point even food, medicine, water and basic supplies are decent investments.
Pictured: Marx pulling Dems to the left kicking and screaming.
how bout buying an iphone, tho?
>mfw all the early adopter right wing e-celebs are going to have to get real jobs
So bitcoin just fell 10% to 3700.
Friendly reminder that a lot of students have been using their student loans to invest in bitcoin, can't wait for the student loan crash.
And antibiotics. In a SHTF scenario, you need antibiotics.
I buy Leagoo and agitate my friends do the same or buy other cheap smartphone.
>Friendly reminder that a lot of students have been using their student loans to invest in bitcoin
And wave of suicides.
it's actually quite unfortunate student loans are mostly held by the government, thus limiting the default contagion. The bigger issue it might cause is that none of these people will be buying homes, thus crashing the housing market.
Oh shit I made that thread and forgot about it yeet.
This shit isn't going to work. Koch has way more resources when it comes to influencing people's opinion. I'm surprised that Trump's approval rating is like 40-45% at this point, but I highly doubt you could convert 4channalers into fucking communists.
its best that we at least try anon
I mostly just try to make anons purchase shitty purchases so that I can laugh at them later.
>the people that want to be the next Koch brothers will become communists
You are giving them way too much credit. /biz/ is like 60% teenagers who put their allowance into shit coins.
I think you mean they're adults who put their allowance into shit coins.
do you honestly believe the uber wealthy give .0002% of a shit about bitcoin
it's a bunch of neets and wagies that got burned by it, the rich got richer off it if they even attempted to get into it when it was rising
>tfw waiting for years now for it all to come crashing down
>tfw economic collapse=SHTF=mass death, including probably your own
>tfw actually feeling hopeful for the first time in over a decade, at the thought of it finally all being over, like if the team in charge of The Simpsons announced the show was finally going to end
>mining is industrial labor
the SNLT that gets put into producing the electrical energy as well as the maintenance of clusters can be classified as industrial labor.
of course bitcoin itself not SNLT, but bitcoin is backed by many corporations and thus it maintains exchange-value.
more like the Apple bubble. Tim Cook completely overvalued the Apple brand (assuming he even bothered doing financial evaluation at all)
>a lot of students have been using their student loans to invest in bitcoin
Sauce? This sounds so pathetic that it's probably true.
I wish something would happen so I'm not forced to wagecuck but I'm sceptical. Nothing good ever happens when other people are responsible for it.
depends how much stock you put in reddit posts and tabloid news articles.
Does Ben Garrison really believe the shit he draws? The man truly does come off as legitimately deranged with a clear amount of weird psychosexual issues to boot
>a clear amount of weird psychosexual issues to boot
As far as conservatives go, he doesn't seem that bad. Disregarding his depictions of Trump.
>Disregarding his depictions of Trump.
But you can't.
No way he isn't gay
The Dow 30 is down almost to the same levels we saw at the beginning of the year when Trump was threatening China with tariffs.
Just because one lazy strongman cartoon? Cmon…
Did he really, or is that just a meme?
based zion ben
>mfw remembering that I was considering buying some bitcoin 2 weeks ago
It took 2 more days, but it did go under 4k leading up to "cyber monday." Can't wait for 3k.
Be glad you didn't, holy fuck.
On the bright side though when it stabilizes I might throw some in to just sit on. I have a feeling this isn't the last we've seen of faggot coin.
>trump still hasn't delivered his rhetoric about locking Clinton up
no need to remind me ben
>the lotr comic
okay, that was epic
the lotr image is beyond cursed
All corporations are cancer, but Apple proves that some are more cancerous than others.
>U.S. stock futures pointed to gains at the start of the week for Wall Street on Monday, with that boost possibly driven by climbing oil prices. Dow Jones Industrial Average futures YMZ8, +1.08% rose 275 points, or 1.2%, to 24,542, while S&P 500 index futures ESZ8, +1.16% gained 33 points, or 1.3%, to 2,662.75 and Nasdaq-100 futures nzz8 jumped 109.50 points, or 1.7%, to 6,640.75. Gains come on the heels of the worst Thanksgiving week since 2011 for U.S. indexes, with all three logging losses of at least 3.5%. Stocks were pressured by falling oil prices, but the commodity was clawing back some gains on Monday. After losing 7.7% in Friday's session alone, U.S. crude futures CLF9, +1.43% rose 1.6% to $51.23 a barrel, while Brent crude uk:lxof9 jumped 2% to $59.98. Europe stocks also bounced at the open, and along with U.S. stock futures gains, suggest a "potential reversal for the global stock markets but after the steep losses seen earlier in the month it will take a lot of effort to reverse the bias," said Konstantinos Anthis, head of research at ADSS, in a note to clients.
That LotR one is like when some basic bitch says they love a band and when you ask which song is their favorite they accuse you of gatekeeping. Comparing politics to movies is retarded, but thinking Aragorn of all people would approve of Trump shows just how disconnected from reality (and fantasy in this case) Garrison is. It's the most telling of all his comics I've seen.
CYBER MONDAY ON ACTION
CAPITALISM WINS AGAIN
It's like it's a cycle or something…
WE'RE BACK LEFTY PROLES
-400 point in under a day. 3k, here we come.
Get outta here gaylord
It's back commie.
The final crash won't come until inflation and the effects of the rate hikes gets fully priced into the market, be patient people.
Rate hikes cause deflation you economic illiterate.
No shit, but the effect of rate hikes generally lags behind inflation. The inflation is being caused by the tight labor market, the hot economy, and the trade war. These things put downward pressure on profit regardless of the inflation.
Rate hikes also put a downward pressure on profits by increasing the cost of borrowing and that's the essence of what I'm talking about.
LOL when typing "dow jones" into the chrome address bar it puts the state of the index next to the url if it's in the green, but not when it's in the red
wonder if they're going to hit the big Trillion this year.
>CHARLES PAYNE (FOX BUSINESS HOST): And again, it's not like they're in dire straits. Now, they're trying to get ahead of things, they want a big fat cash flow. But this is why, I think, capitalism in and of itself is in a lot of trouble in the country. Because, you know, these companies keep posting record earnings and they keep firing people. They keep posting record earnings and they buying back billions of dollars of their own stock. The American public is going to get hip to this and my fear is that they're going to end up electing, not a democratic socialist, just a straight-up socialist because of these kind of shenanigans. They should have saw this coming a long time ago.
Well someone's getting scared here.
Showing the state of the market when it's down is an ethical conundrum because on the one hand honesty should require it but on the other showing people it's down pushes it down further.
Tesla sales in China plummet 70% as Sino-US trade war drags on
Beijing’s counter-tariffs have hurt Tesla’s vehicle sales in China. They are down by 70 percent in October against the same period a year ago, according to China’s automotive body. The latest data from the industry body revealed that the US automaker sold just 211 cars in China last month.
Tesla announced plans to slash prices of its electric vehicles, including the Model X and Model S, in China by 12 percent to 26 percent respectively. The step will reportedly make the cars more affordable and will help to absorb more of the hit from tariff hikes.
“We are absorbing a significant part of the tariff to help make our cars more affordable for customers in China,” the statement reads.
YIELD CURVE GOING FLAT
It hasn't gone negative quite yet, but it's getting there. This tells us two things:
1. The big crash is coming soon.
2. Until the curve inverts and a couple months have passed, screaming "THIS IS IT!!!" whenever a dip occurs is just shitposting.
It is an year late, comrade.
>2. Until the curve inverts and a couple months have passed, screaming "THIS IS IT!!!" whenever a dip occurs is just shitposting.
Look like market wait friday with great hope.
Well it seems as if the Fed isn't very interested in raising up interest rates anymore. Seems like they pussied out. Here we come inflation.
Explain yeild curve pls.
One reliable signal for this in the past has been the inversion of the bond yield curve. The interest rate for borrowing money for one year is much lower usually than the rate for borrowing for ten years for obvious reasons (the lender gets paid back quicker). So the yield curve between the ten-year rate and the one year rat is normally positive (say 4% compared to 1%).
The general idea is that a steepening yield curve, where long rates are rising faster than short rates, indicates that credit is easy to access and profits are high enough from faster economic growth. But when short-term yields rise above the prevailing long-term bond rate it indicates credit conditions have become unusually restrictive compared to profits and that there is a very high probability that a recession will arrive within about a year.
RBC investment strategist, Jim Allworth reckons that: “There hasn’t been a recession in more than 60 years that wasn’t preceded by an inversion of the yield curve. On average, the yield curve has inverted 14 months prior to the onset of a recession (median 11 months). The shortest “early warning” was eight months. We are not there yet in the US and certainly nowhere near in Europe. But the US curve is going in that direction.”
Trump bullied the Fed into backing down on rate hikes. Now comes the inflation
The federal reserve deemed that the economy is "just below" what is necessary to keep it healthy. Trump has also been shitting on Jerome Powell for raising up interest rates, and I believe that yesterday Trump was getting incredibly irate at the federal reserve too.
Explains the situation well enough. My favorite part is that Trump hired him because he was tall.
> Trump hired him because he was tall.
Tall people are the real Jews.
6'1 here, can confirm as the jewest goy you can find.
>implying he didn't save the economy
what economy? we are living in a bubble.
the wojak economy
>forecasting the stock market based on the shape of the chart
hedge funds are able to do a bit of this with super computers, but it's never as simplistic as the first image would indicate
most of this stuff is essentially astrology, it has no empirical backing
The front page of market watch is pretty wild today
>the main proponent of radical saving to retire early is named Mr Money Mustache
haha what the fuck
>falling for the basic economics meme this easily
Look like traders wait for results of G20, or not?
how would we experience a market crash if the private debt/GDP isn't growing nearly as much as it was in 2008?
>how would we experience a market crash if the private debt/GDP isn't growing nearly as much as it was in 2008?
Because capitalism never solves its crisis problems: it just moves them around. In this case it moved its problems to China which has seen explosive growth in its private debt/GDP ratio.
I'm not really sure, though. Hard to say what will happen. It's also difficult to track private debt/GDP. The FT had an article today saying the private debt/GDP levels in the U.S. have reached 2008 levels. Maybe the growth rate has slowed down relative to the runup before 2008, but the U.S. economy is still overburdened with private debt because it never restructured.
>In the large US market, corporate debt as a percentage of gross domestic product is at a record high, breaching even the previous top in 2008, according to Edward Marrinan, head of credit strategy for North America at HSBC.
>He pointed out that the “bigger concern”, however, was the “degraded credit portfolio” of the US non-financial investment grade arena. About half of the debt capitalisation of a Bloomberg basket of the asset class carries a triple-B rating, according to Mr Marrinan, the lowest possible investment grade rung.
>“In an adverse economic environment or in the event of an exogenous shock, we believe further downgrades to the constituents of this segment would present a serious challenge to the broader US dollar credit complex,” he said. “Hence, discretion is advised.”
>China which has seen explosive growth in its private debt/GDP ratio
I thought China was still central planning, which means they wouldn't even have a credit/debt system.
>I thought China was still central planning, which means they wouldn't even have a credit/debt system.
They do, the banks are just state owned. China has been basically splurging on private debt which is why they have those ghost cities with tens of millions of empty homes. It's the biggest private debt bubble in history, has kept the global economy propped up since 2008, and now you're seeing this rapid deceleration.
This doesn't mean the end of the world or anything. Don't really know. The actual amount of "bad debt" in China might not be so high. They'll just slow way down and get stuck in the low-growth doldrums like the rest of us because they have built way too much capacity. But this could have all kinds of knock-on effects elsewhere, like emerging markets blowing up suddenly. The global economy will enter into a recession, which is inevitable anyways. Or it could all collapse you never know
And when I say private debt I mean loans to consumers and business – particularly the latter – and it goes "bad" when borrowers can't repay. I think the big problem in the U.S. economy as well is too much corporate debt without the earnings to show for it. It'll all come due.
From what I've read, central planning has been de-emphasized in some sectors to allow for more 'market driven' growth.
unfortunately that hasn't yet correlated to a decrease in mining. In fact it has been increasing as price has been decreasing all year. Which shouldn't happen, afaik.
Dow started at 400 but is falling quickly
Dow has lost half of their opening gains
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE RIDE HAS JUST STARTED
>Global order collapsing
>Uprising in France
>Crisis of capitalism imminent
This is the best Christmas present ever
low key kind feel like we're just gonna get fascism unfortunately
Socialists need to get their ass in gear and start mass organizing before its too late and we have nothing to show for when the time comes.
in McCarthyized neoliberal hellholes like America where Marx is demonized in every public school, for sure.
Russian workers tore up socialist pamphlets and spit on them before October of '17, have some hope.
a small group of people doing something doesn't mean they all collectively thought Socialism was bad
Welp. Expect the crash in about a year.
I honestly feel like America is fucked, and I should just leave and organize somewhere else.
There's nothing more damaging to the cause than expats trying to convert native normies
Just change your name, pound the local language and dialect into your head, and dose yourself with melanotan II and you'll be fine.
No no, America will be fine for another 30 years or so. It's Europe's post-imperial decline phase which is really starting to kick off. The US will begin the same soon, but it is a stage
All indicators point to a rapid decline in the US. True brainlet analysis.
S&P 500 is about to deathcross. The real panic starts then. The crash will happen sooner than you think.
By January, the wheels will come off.
Good, good, very good
The entire U.S. economy was actually propped up by Tumblr porn futures. What have they done
BUT TRUMP XI CHINA TRADE TRUCE!
It just keeps tumbling down. Tumbling down. Tumbling down~
>Implying crashes can happen.
Holy fuck you /leftypol/ folks sure are pathetic. It seems someone who has actually studied BASIC ECONOMICS and not your methaphysical black marxist bible (also known as Das Kapital) has to show you what's going on.
The markets has ups and downs, but ultimately, it goes up. When it's red, you buy because you know and trust that the market will go green again, and it goes green again. You just need to trust in the invisible hand (the market) and you will be fine.
This is just a
and I REPEAT,
opportunity to buy some stock, as the prices are down.
What happens is that we're entering the post-obama market, where the up and downs are more, let's say, "accentuated".
When will you learn, you dirty commies?
There's no crash coming in.
Capitalism is just winning again, and you just don't know about it.
>DOW has flatlined for a whole year
<it'll go back up we promis!
if it does go back up it'll be from inflation or some other bullshit, not your magical invisible hand (which always pulls down, by the way)
>just trust in the invisible hand of the market lol
This is a disgusting parody of Adam Smith who you fucks pretend to follow so your ideology can appear to have a precedent, fuck off and go deepthroat your corporate overlords.
Is there anything worse in this world than bourgeois economists?
bourgeois economists are fine, the dishonest ones who have no fucking idea what they're talking about are not.
lol plunge protection gang is just a funny RP guy. He's one of us.
Please God let this be it. I'm so tired and I just want it to end.
The stock market is negative for the year lol
2-10 yield curve has been closing to within 0.1%
Actually it's not crashing, it's merely bowing its head in memorial for its loyal servant, the imperialist running dog George H.W. Bush
-2 and a half percent and it's not even 3pm lmao
10-2 year curve atm at .15%
There's no way porky can spin that one. Crash fucking confirmed. You better get prepared, anons.
Where will we land today boys?
can I see the link to this?
That's a wrap then, crash is pretty much guaranteed with a year now.
made it into 4th place lads.
non state solutions when?
>mfw I had a small inheritance and spent it all to buy physical gold
>gold prices hiking up
>meaning trust in banking institutions is going down
oh shit it's happening for real
Thank you Plunge-kun.
>mfw I chose being a class traitor over gambling on PSLF but capitalism's going to be in flames before I pay my loans off anyway
God fucking dammit
>3-5 Year Yield curve is inverting.
What does this mean?
Recession next year, every recession in the 2nd half of the 20th and 21st centuries had an inverted yield curve
Pull your savings from the bank and tell your friends and family to do the same, there won't be enough for everyone. We're headed for 2008 on steroids.
That bad, huh?
Yes and probably worse, it's hard to tell how much damage will be done. This can even very quickly lead to widespread hunger riots as the payment infrastructure of banks collapse.
If the banks default and the state cannot bail them, it means you can't pay with check or credit card. You're going to be left with whatever pocket change you have, which means you're going to be fine for maybe a week if you don't mind eating a lot of rice or potatoes.
In places with high population density, a complete systemic failure of the banking infrastructure would spell armageddon lest the state take exceptionnal measures.
Yes, it is that bad and barely anyone has a clue what's going on, if they knew, it would only precipitate it.
NIKKEI DOWN 520 POINTS -2.4%
>This can even very quickly lead to widespread hunger riots as the payment infrastructure of banks collapse
no it fucking won't, be real.
shit will get more expensive but that's about it.
where on the scale are we?
For your own sake you best hope you are correct
>you can't stop it
Bordering on "it's too late"
If states bail out the banks like they did in 2008, sure.
If they don't, brace for impact.
you can't stop it
But any time can be rushed to its habbening.
why fucking wouldn't they?
There is hardly any more money to steal from the proletariat. By the nature of the markets, they cannot function if the lower classes have no money, as it ends all consumption which would destroy capitalism. Not to mention the possibility of uprising.
Because we're already reaching the breaking point. They only have so much money to work with, intentionally lower their budgets due to austerity, the working class is getting impoverished and taking more from them will kill markets by driving consumers' purchasing power through the ground.
how is this necessarily bad? it dipped below 0 in 2000 and there was no 2000 market crash
I understand that the inversion of the yield curve is bad, but can someone explain why?
it's not, the Fed will just make interest rate increases.
I mean if they don't, it's bad, but they will.
The dotcom bubble popped.
Then you're looking at a dollar crisis and the consequences will be worldwide.
We're at You Can't Stop It.
Yield curve tells us what the returns on long and short term investments are. When short term investments are more profitable than long term, it means long term investment has somehow turned shit, indicating that a crash is coming. The reason this inversion happens is that profitability in general has turned shitty. Bigger/longer investments require more capital outlay as well. Basically, the inversion is a symptom of the underlying profitability crisis, and a very reliable one.
>The Federal Reserve can create money out of thin air.
They'll run out of other people's labor value eventually. No matter who prints the money, it's inescapable that printing money without a corresponding increase in labor inputs is useless and causes inflation. The fed just gets to print more because the USA commands/imperializes way more labor than other countries.
>They'll run out of other people's labor value eventually.
he said, desperately.
One reason is that investors are expecting a downturn, or they're expecting the fed to lower interest rates in the near future (because of a slowdown) and want to lock in interest rates for longer term bonds while they're still high. Doing this drives down the interest rates on long term bonds, causing an inversion to happen: where short term bonds have higher interest rates than long-term.
Uh, logically wouldn't its value increase as it approached zero?
Start shorting everything you can now, you'll thank me in 8 1/2 months.
Ladies and gentlemen, let the games begin
Thank you based anon, I will leverage my LA condo right now.
It might cost you a lot to short if the collapse takes 14 months to come lol
I don't have any damn money, and you can't just short random shit, you have to actually figure out which bubbles will collapse and how to short them
>Weak Euro-Area Growth Is Here to Stay as Italy Recession Looms
Shit's really about to hit the fan all around the globe isn't it
>ftse finally below 7000
I been waiting motherfucker
I just buy month out SPY and QQQ puts every time there's a bounce and average down the way up
free money every time, bought a fuckton extra when I saw the tariff man tweet yesterday
Is there a reason the DOW didn't open today?
national day of mourning in muttland for Bush
Didn't they hold a memorial for Bush?
Quick question, has anyone tried to meme the stock market into crashing before?
Meme magic is idealism and should be avoided lest you go to gulag.
I'm guessing the Fed picked up on this already
>there's no money you can still
<really? then why are you people here?
Take a loan and look up stock options. Buy puts on SPY/QQQ and enjoy your free money poorfag.
Also, use robinhood
Dow futures well below 25000. Should be a good one.
8 billion dollas buyback coming thru
Is there some kind of graph that shows buybacks over time? I'd love to watch it spike.
EU ongoing, US futures, ponzi coins.
WE ARE ARRIVING AT THE STATION
Market open for 2 minutes.
Drops 450 points.
Buybacks happen when you have excess cash in the economy, or in other words when interest rates are low. Since, they are raising interest rates it's less likely this will happen.
WTF THE DOW JONES JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't get it, don't these have to go into negative before we can say they are inverted? Why is everyone getting hyped up ?
Yields on 5 year notes have already fallen below 2 and 3 yield notes. People seem to think the 10 year inversion is a better predictor of a recession. That’s what the image you’re referring to shows. And it’s about to invert also pretty soon it looks like.
“2 and 3 *year* notes”
Slight typo. But anyway the point is that some other measures are already negative. Just not this one, which people seem to think is a better indicator of a recession.
>claim you made a deal with China
>next day arrest major Chinese business executive under "muh Iran" claims
What's SPY and QQQ, and how much money have you made off this?
poosh eet sidewaees
you're going to have to explain what this means friend.
I wonder how the Chinese population feels about having the daughter of a beloved public figure kidnapped from a Canadian airport. I'm sure it's getting the same spin that Fox News would give Steve Jobs daughter kidnapped from a South Korean airport and extradited to a Chinese prison in order to strongarm American economic ambitions.
>a-actually /leftypol/ got BTFO today because the DOW went down ONLY 370 instead of the initial 600!
>France is going through a political crisis
>On going trade war between China and the US creates complications in their relationships
>Russia is acting more boldly on the Ukraine-Russia border
>Saudi Arbia gets away with murder because they spent and lot of money on weapons and his hotels
>UK is set to leave the UK in March, disaster is pretty much guaranteed to happen
>Looming economic crisis
The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters /leftypol/.
shit i guess i did a sage goes in all fields thing at some point and forgot to delete the name
100% natty green fed markets here folks absolutely no federal market intervention here folks
move along prole
in order to kill monsters, you have to become a monster, the war is coming and it's bigger than any of us
Is there any way to exacerbate the crisis?
Take a shit on the head of the little girl bronze statue on Wall Street. Capitalism will be canceled.
>PPG couldn't even get it back above 25k
Take out a bunch of credit and don't pay it back.
Better yet, destroy the records of other credit holders if possible. That's even worse than debt unpaid: no debt at all.
>BY THE END OF THE YEAR!!
my bet: bitcoin under 3k next week
3 billion buyback comin thru
put options basically means you're betting against a stock to fall.
I can't believe that page is real. It's quite blunt isn't it?
600 more down please
Inb4 the dow falls by 600 points or more
HOLY FUCK WE HAVE A GOD DAMN DEATH CROSS
purple means 50 day average and red is the 200 day average
SPY and QQQ are the ETFs for the S&P500 and Nasdaq 100 respectively.
I've made a couple thousand doing this (I'm a poorfag, started with a few hundred dollars) the past few months.
Theres no denying it now we're officially heading towards disaster
maybe today then :^)
How long until they close? Maybe we get a new record for this year.
in about 2 hours so
Buckle the fuck up bucko
3 points less than yesterday
less than ten points to go
Now at 11 and dropping.
haha, they believe it was merely a "correction"
As a poor person… let the ass-rape begin.
Tbf death is the ultimate form of correction. No money, no problem.
n-next y-y-year will be f-fine
Dave, is capitalism going to wake up?
No, capitalism is dead comrade.
They're probably right. Crash won't happen until late 2020, so expect one more run-up to the bubble popping. It's going to be like 2008 all over again.
I'm quite confident that this is it. This feels exactly like 2007 prior to Lehman collapse when the economy started stuttering.
Yeah, I've heard that it takes a year for two for shit to really hit the fan after the yield curve inverts, but no harm in hoping for the fun to start a little earlier.
The number I heard was between 6 and 14 months. So… Kinda quick on a historical timeframe but fristratingly slow when you're waiting for it.
It will happen sooner than experts expect. There are macroeconomic effects that paralyse it much faster, see how late did mainstream expert notice how bad shit was in 2008. Only a handful of unorthodox ppl had predicted it.
This is really it, they can only delay it for so long and we're talking about an absolute financial meltdown.
>Crash won't happen until late 2020
That is absolute bullshit, most crashes happen a year after the yield curve inversion, and we just began inverting. So late 2019/early 2020 is most likely.
Can't wait to see Asian markets fucking tank overnight.
I have a feeling that this Christmas is going to be very disappointing to stockholders.
This is from after the French riots.
The timing is great, first Black Friday now the riots. Remind me again though how Black Friday caused a dip this time?
Holy fuck, I checked investing.com because sometimes MarketWatch is not really accurate, but this time it is accurate.
Nikkei and Hang Seng cratering. Shanghai not quite as bad but still bad.
I like my yield curves like I like my nipples…
WE'RE ALL TRAPPED IN THE BELLY OF THIS HORRIBLE MACHINE
AND THE MACHINE IS BLEEDING TO DEATH
>nipland getting another lost decade
they really can't catch a break, this will be what, 30 years lost?
Asian markets treading water in the negative since they opened. Wonder what European markets are gonna do, especially France.
America is following the exact same trajectory of Japan too:
1. Adult cartoons
2. Weird sex shit
4. Rising suicides
5. Falling birth rates
6. Incels/adult virgins
7. Zero work/life separation
It's all there. 2008 was the beginning of America's lost decade, and now we're going to turn it into a lost score, and it's going to last forever until we're marrying our waifu pillows and living entirely in VR.
Thats not a thing in japan, dumbass.
Obsession with sex as status/rite of passage isn't a thing there. There are virgins who wish they werent, but no close parallel to incel ideology thats comparably as popular.
Also, what adult cartoons does america have other than comedy shit? Unless you're characterizing capeshit and other normie tv as equivilant to anime, which might actually be a fair comparison.
Otherwise all good.
Adult virgins are DEFINITELY a thing in Japan, dumbass. They've just given up on being mad at women and have degenerated into fucking their body pillows.
And yeah, I'm characterizing capeshit as American anime/manga. It was for kids and weirdos, and now it's normal.
Can we just get a crash please? The angry mood of the masses is still there since 2008, but we need the crash till the end of the decade
Angry masses are caused by bad economical conjonctures, they don't cause them. Although the rioting might actually have minor impact.
It's about that unlike in 2008 (2012 in my country) we didn't have any structures to guide the mass anger towards something else than pure smashing of stuff in the streets (neocuck unions don't count). But since then a lot of movements organized and are still being active - they could guide the anger towards something more fruitful this time. A) crash B) people pissed C) organised groups exist that would be able to steer the pissed folk D) something fruitful
It's coming anyway, it's too late to stop it and the systemic fragility is as high as its ever gotten.
IDK man. Economy is fragile, okay, but the state is still powerful. Macaroni is still leading the nation and neofeudalisation is still going on around the globe, more or less unopposed.
Word salad devoid of any substance.
This is kind of tangential, but does anyone have that one falling rate of profit webm?
The Dow is down for the year
here's the mini version
And below 24000, yikes!
>market not even open for two hours yet
Is this it?
It's been down for almost a week. They blame it on different shit every day. It's already had a trend all year of being dragged down. There's global political crisis, there's trade war
Does anyone honestly think this could last without effecting the market in some way
j-just a correction.
>not buying on the dip.
you commies are so naive.
Bitcoin more like bitchcoin
It's not the fucking dip until you can look at it and it's gone back up into a recovery though is it you fucking mong.
What is it that you have for me to buy, that hasn't been losing value all year, hasn't been making you lose money all year, and is being carved up by overheating gpus across the planet
Is there anything you have that won't be worth a penny by the time this is all over
Let's face it, you're asking me to lose money. How about this, why don't you save money and quit buying your Charles Entertainment Cheese Tokens, it's more embarrassing than the Iraqi Dinar at this point
Cease this fear mongering, as an anon already pointed out this is just a daily correction and nothing to worry about. I'm already putting in the buy orders!
Honestly it's the best time to get into the market, I'd encourage you to start buying before the institutional investors snag everything when we get to today's low, think about how much that'll boost your 401k!
This guy gets it.
I don't know what to buy either because everything is bad and dumb and risky, so I got out of the market.
I don't normally buy individuals stocks bought some shares in a REIT for like… retirement homes. I'm betting that this will go up over the long term because of retiring boomers (who have all the money) are going to dump it in assisted living facilities.
It's up for the year.
>I don't know what to buy
Piggy your time comes soon
Puts sound great until a rogue wavs gets you and then you go broke and become a world-class joke.
I love that video so much, it brings me such joy
>check out DB and GE stock
>turning into penny stocks
literally on the verge of bankruptcy, this is hilarious
It's going to be a total meltdown and you know it. I wish I could tell all working-class people to pull out at the same time before it really goes down.
Keep spreading the truth about the market, anon.
As I said everytime, the markets has ups and downs, what happens is that, in France, YOU communists are fucking up, and because of that, YOU'RE are causing the world to STOP since all of you dirty proles don't actually know any better about how to get rich in the market.
IT'S SUPER EASY
IF YOU AREN'T RICH IS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE POOR
What you need to do to get rich is just to put your money into the stocks, and then just wait. I just got 10.000.000 dollars thank to the money my parents gave me that I putted into Stocks. Is real easy!
If today we're seeing the markets in red (doesn't mean that much, the markets go down to jump even higher, every time) is because you don't TRUST in the system, something similar happened to the Soviet Union, didn't you know?
I mean, you're BRAINDEAD COMMIES, so how would you know
Also I'm putting this pieces of truth in spoiler to not DAMAGE and TRIGGER all of you :)
The people, seeing through the propaganda that the evil soviet empire brainwashed them with saw how the west was getting food, but as they were their enemies, they continued to work in the factories of DEATH AND DESTRUCTION.
But all of this ended, when the BRAVE RÉVOLUTIONNAIRE FOR LIBERALISM BORIS YELTSIN went into the rescue, and people stopped believing in the malignant school of witchcraft and wizardry of FRANKFURT and to believe into the best system, the best working one not like communism L O L, and then developed and brought upon a decade of peace, until that meanie putin SHITHEAD become president.
So, when you start not trusting in a system, is when it fails, see the soviet union (even, then, it was also because it was shit L M A O).
So this is not the fault of capitalism, this is your FAULT.
Even then, like, the new up is down, and losing is now winning because the markets always goes up!
You just need to
BUY THE DIP
And all of you…
WILL BE RICH
Also the market is going up now :D
Literally anything is better than putting money into the stock market, go buy some paintings or something.
Are investors reacting to the UK parliament meeting going on right now or something?
AAAAND We're back at 24000+200 points.
WE'RE BACK AT BUSINESS, BABY
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU INVEST IN THE MARKET=
>AAAAND We're back at 24000+200 points.
you and the reggaeton baboon guy might be the best gimmicks on leftypol
lmao Plunge Protection Gang
No, it's a dead cat bounce due to everything being oversold as fuck. I don't even know if they keep the text analysis algos on anymore given the past two months.
Fear & Greed Index now at 9.
Is this the lowest it has ever been?
Economic collapse ultimately means nothing. If the elites want capitalism to keep going, it will keep going. All that's needed is another false flag and another war, which they can easily pull off again. It may be even easier for them this time since there's scores of radicalized pro-establishment idiots who would gladly fight in a war if they believed they were protecting their country/economy/private property.
This is demonstrably false. While military recruitment saw an up tick after 9/11 only a few years after the start of Iraq they were struggling to find recruits.
Maybe plenty of people at willing to support a war but not fight it.
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What did he mean by this?
Lmao, what a transparent narcissist
So you say, but the main lesson of history is that no one learns any lessons from history.
>Nuke U.S. city in falseflag op
>Freedom-hating anti-capitalist anti-jobcreator LGBTOMGWTFBBQ Muslim SJW communists from some other country were responsible
>Epic redpillers fight for Based America and Based GodEmperor to beat the evil commies
>Life is just like LotR bros, le humans vs le orcs, we r literally teh fellowship
It can and will happen. WWII was unthinkable at one point and nobody apparently wanted it, and yet it happened. MKULTRA never ended and despite all their grandstanding and insistence to the contrary, conservatives are extremely susceptible to propaganda. What do you think all the pretentious RWDS/cringey fashwave is for? None of this rose organically. The elites know how to use nationalism and patriotism for their own ends, they've done it countless times before and they'll do it again.
>Maybe plenty of people at willing to support a war but not fight it.
They don’t need to
>What do you think all the pretentious RWDS/cringey fashwave is for? None of this rose organically.
inb4 people like it, therefore it's not organic
inb4 nobody likes it
>Proles won't have to fight a war because we have completely ineffectual weapons like drones.
You guys did buy on the dup like I suggested right?
I actually did buy some january XLF calls to swing, but I'm not confident in my decision at the moment.
The entire "nationalist" movement of the last few years is all manufactured. It only exists right now in its current form because the elites allowed it. If it were anywhere near as dangerous to the status quo as the Kekistan poleddit fanboys like to think, it would have never happened.
Hitler and Mussolini were literally screaming for a war. It was obvious to everyone what was gonna happen.
No one is screaming for a war, but the USA and Israel are putting in NATO CUCK-RIGHT using all this Rapefugee Crisis shit despite the fact that NATO is what caused it.
>NATO bombs Libya, Niggers come pouring over and turn everyone Racist as fuck and then vote for NATO CUCK-RIGHT
>NATO supplies guns to """moderate""" Rebels in Syria, Shitskins come over and make everyone Racist and vote for NATO CUCK-RIGHT
He totally believed that he's some kind of Poseidon controlling the waves of the Ocean. Watch as he downgrades himself into Xerxes the Great and whips the sea that disobeyed him.
>If the elites want capitalism to keep going, it will keep going.
You vastly overestimate their control & understanding of the situation. People tend to fetishize elites by thinking of them as genius villains from Bond movies.
Mate, enough with the 'elites' conspiracy level shite. these are the kind of people that cant even a rent boy without being found out, c'mon.
Looks like the market's back up due to China news. But it seems like it's a red herring.
Is what happened yesterday nonetheless another sign of instability in the markets??
wew profited off my calls
yee, I'll probably buy vxx calls and/or spy/qqq puts eod
well yeah. these are crazy swings
US just put in sanctions on China over alleged cyber attacks.
Accelerating into a trade war, a cold war, and eventually a regular war.
Former Canadian diplomat detained in China following Vancouver arrest of Huawei CFO - reports
Can't wait to see amerifats get btfo by China and the rest of the world. Also a war might help thin out the zoomers
and/or give them a lesson in how imperialism is actually maintained which would be helpful.
>young magachuds and neoliberals join military for muh jingoism
My knowledge of economics comes from half-remembered wikipedia articles and my econ 101 at community college with a conservative old indian man.
Normally I'd be out explaining why anarcho capitalism will solve everything, but can someone explain to me what precisely the yield curve is?
would like to see which side does the most effort to a fair and just trial