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 No.2394547

I have been reading a new book lately. It is called The Coming of the Third Reich by Richard J. Evans.

It's a very good introduction to this subject; though, like most bourgeois historians, he downplays the role of the highest circles in the German ruling class in bringing Hitler and the Nazis to power because the bourgeoisie basically agreed with the Nazi aims.

But the work contains some interesting information about the KPD (Kommunistiche Partei Deutschlands) – the Communist Party of Germany – in the years leading up to the Nazi "revolution".

First, a bit of background. The KPD was the "crown jewel" of the Communist (3rd) International. It was the largest and most militant of all the communist parties then – with a membership hovering around 350,000. Although most trade unions were allied with the German Social-Democratic Party, the KPD was very strong among industrial workers in Berlin and in the Ruhr, dockworkers in Hamburg and Bremen, coal miners in Saxony, etc.

It had a large parliamentary delegation that gained more seats with each election up through November of 1932. In that last "free election" of the Weimar Republic, the communists won exactly 100 seats…about 1/6th of the total of all the seats in the Reichstag.

And the KPD had its own group of paramilitaries – the Red Front Fighters' League – to contest the streets with the Nazi Sturmabteilung (SA) and the ultra-nationalist Stahlhelm. It's almost certain that most of the abundant street violence in the early 1930s consisted of battles between the SA and the Red Front.

 No.2394548

>>2394547

But for all their bravery and combativeness, the Red Front lost the "battle for the streets".

I was curious as to why this happened and Professor Evans (indirectly) suggests some answers.

You understand, of course, that most of the SA (or "brownshirts") were not members of the Nazi party but rather loyal to the "idea" of Nazism and the personality of Hitler himself. Similarly, probably two-thirds of the Red Front were not members of the KPD but loyal to the idea of a communist revolution…and probably to some extent to the personality of Ernst Thälmann, the working class leader of the KPD.

On both sides, of course, there were a fair number of people who simply "liked a good punch-up" and were not above switching sides.

Both of these groups were composed almost exclusively of young men who were unemployed…and, by 1930, had no hope of regular employment.

To be in a paramilitary group, therefore, was a kind of "job". You got a place to stay (sleeping space on the floor of a bar) and something to eat on a fairly regular basis (bread and soup, mostly, I expect).

I say "on the floor of a bar" because a local tavern was often the "headquarters" of a unit of the SA or the Red Front. There were "Nazi bars" and "Communist bars"…and a street battle would often begin when one group would raid the bar of the other group.

In theory, an SA or KPD fighter was supposed to pay for his own uniform, etc.,…but in practical terms, I doubt if that happened very often, especially after 1930.

So where did the money come from? Financing for the paramilitary groups came from their respective parties, of course.

But the KPD was at a serious disadvantage in this regard. Most people who were members of the Nazi party (1,200,000) were employed or had other resources and paid dues to the party; upwards of 95% of the KPD membership (350,000) were unemployed – in fact, most of the demonstrations and large public events organized by the KPD after 1930 were on behalf of the unemployed.

The Nazis enjoyed a substantial income by charging people to hear Hitler speak in person…something many people paid for out of curiosity or out of fear of "Jewish-Bolshevik revolution".

The KPD had no such "attraction".


 No.2394549

>>2394548

Then, of course, the Nazis enjoyed direct financial support from the ruling class…initially from a few ultra-conservative businessmen but from the class as a whole by mid-1932.

It's known now that the KPD was largely financed by "Moscow gold" (Comintern subsidies)…though we don't know how much.

So, up to 1932, the parties "paid" their respective paramilitary groups to fight each other…and the KPD's Red Front "held its own" against the brownshirts.

But there was a presidential election in 1932 (with a runoff) and two parliamentary elections in the same year.

Those elections were a massive strain on the finances of the Nazi party (which was the first party in Germany to run "American-style" campaigns)…and simply overwhelmed the KPD. Resources diverted from the Red Front to those campaigns resulted in a "shrinking" of the Red Front. The tavern owners could no longer be paid to serve as gathering points for Red Front fighters – the bars closed or were taken over by the SA.

And worse, the KPD could no longer feed its paramilitaries…some number of which undoubtedly defected to the SA.

Thus the SA began to win the battle of the streets…and people seeing this drew the "obvious" conclusion. The Nazis "were going to win".

Many Germans were shocked that the Red Front was nowhere to be seen on January 30, 1933 when Hitler came to power…or in the weeks and months that followed. Even the Nazis were puzzled and a little afraid…surmising that the KPD was hoarding its strength in preparation for a massive uprising.

Their fears were groundless; the Red Front didn't really exist anymore. In fact, the KPD itself was "withering away" under Nazi violence…though a hard core did remain in existence.

And the irony? The KPD's parliamentary delegation never accomplished anything throughout the history of the Weimar Republic. The resources diverted from the Red Front was "money down the toilet"!

The KPD won "a lot of votes" – over six million at their peak – but those votes never translated into any kind of revolutionary strength.

Does that mean that if the KPD had avoided the Reichstag like the plague and used all of its available resources to support active resistance to the capitalist order and its Nazi thugs that "things would have turned out differently"?

We'll never know, sad to say.


 No.2394553

Alright, so what do you guys think about what he wrote in regards to the alt-right? This phenomenon did not exist in RS2000's day, where conservationism was considered extremely uncool among the youth, except for kids in rural areas. How much of what he wrote is applicable to today?

Original article with replies is here:

https://www.prisoncensorship.info/archive/etext/wim/wyl/socdem/redstar/redstar264.html


 No.2394774

Despite what losers on the internet would have you believe, conservativism isn't cool. It only seems like a big deal among young people because conservatism's hype man is the ruling class.


 No.2394832

>>2394547

> It's almost certain that most of the abundant street violence in the early 1930s consisted of battles between the SA and the Red Front.

they were outlawed 1929. the RFB i mean. not the SA.

By a social democrat.


 No.2394858

>>2394549

>Resources diverted from the Red Front to those campaigns resulted in a "shrinking" of the Red Front.

as said in my comment before, they weren't even operating in the 30s anymore.

>Those elections were a massive strain on the finances of the Nazi party

hardly.

since 1927 industrialists met with Hitler.

Resulting in 6.150.000 RM paid to the nazis - by the coal industry alone.

that plane he was traveling all over germany under the propaganda slogan "Hitler over germany" with? gift by Lufthansa.

when the nazis crashed with -2 million votes and the KPD gaining 6 million more, becoming strongest party in the region of Berlin, same industrialists were then pushing Hindenburg to announce Hitler as chancellor.

>Does that mean that if the KPD had avoided the Reichstag like the plague and used all of its available resources to support active resistance to the capitalist order and its Nazi thugs that "things would have turned out differently"?

it means that social democrats are indeed left fig leafs of fascism


 No.2394861

>>2394858

if anything they failed to organize illegally or rather prepare for this turn of events to transition to illegal practice sufficiently.

the RFB did train for this but the social democrats were already abusing crisis enactments earlier against regular strikes and protests, gunning down workers and gave all the tools they created for suppression over to the nazis that had a massive advantage on all levels.

legal SA

corporate money

state control


 No.2394862

>>2394548

>upwards of 95% of the KPD membership (350,000) were unemployed

stopped reading there, this seems fake as fuck


 No.2394865

>>2394858

*6.150.000 RM

yearly


 No.2394866

>>2394862

it is, basic facts are wrong. it read more like the fanfiction by an american that heard about weimars paramilitaries and just typed whatever his mind imagined.


 No.2394886

>>2394548

>upwards of 95% of the KPD membership (350,000) were unemployed – in fact, most of the demonstrations and large public events organized by the KPD after 1930 were on behalf of the unemployed.

Unemployed then and now have quite different meanings. I guess what he's worked out is that many were casual labourers, etc., rather than completely without work.


 No.2394896

>>2394547

>By Richard Evans

VERY cool.


 No.2394897

>>2394896

IT BROKE NEW GROUND


 No.2394901

>>2394832

Never trust a socdem.


 No.2394935

>>2394896

I CLAPPED when i saw that




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