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File: 5597e6633f2e90c⋯.png (573.77 KB, 875x577, 875:577, anti-zionism.png)

 No.2653199

Here we discuss Israel, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Israel's ties to greater American imperialism and it's relations with other countries in the middle, whether or not it is an ethnostate, two state solution, one-state solution, "le no state solution xD" for the edgy anarkiddies who still think R.ojava did anything at all to make Syria into true communism, and so on

To start the thread off I'll summize an interesting article I've just read:

>The White House has expanded its offensive against the rights of the Palestinian people for self-determination on two fronts, including the right to return to the lands taken from them by the Israeli state.

>The most recent front is in Palestine and involves a drastic cut in what is normally described as humanitarian aid. The U.S. cut its $200 million contribution to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for its aid work in occupied Palestine on Aug. 24. The U.S. decision leaves UNRWA’s provision of health care and emergency aid as well as education for 526,000 Palestinian refugee children facing a serious shortfall.

>Back in the U.S.A., the administration has sharpened its attack on people who work in solidarity with Palestinians and with Palestine, falsely accusing them of anti-Semitism. Kenneth Marcus, Assistant Secretary of Civil Rights at the Department of Education, wrote a letter to the Zionist Organization of America promising to reopen an investigation of students at Rutgers University. These students are charged with anti-Semitism because they held a meeting in 2011 with a panel of Jewish Holocaust survivors under the heading “Never Again for Anyone.” The charges had been dropped by the Obama administration in 2014.

>While Washington and Tel Aviv have not always agreed on every tactic over 70 years, they have always shared common reactionary interests in that area of West Asia where Israel is a regional power. Israel was and is a settler state, isolated from its neighbors and oppressing the Indigenous population it removed from their homes and lands. The Israeli state has been both dependent on Western — and especially U.S. — imperialism for military, political and diplomatic aid. And it has also acted as an enforcer of imperialist interests in the region against anti-imperialist peoples and states

 No.2653202

Any jewish, ot more specifically israeli anons here? What made you turn to socialism and what do you think of Israel and palestinians?


 No.2653211

>>2653199

>To start the thread off I'll summize an interesting article I've just read:

Why no link? Was it posted on stormfront?


 No.2653215

PFLP GANG


 No.2653219

Hezbollah is stronger right now than the PLO ever was

https://english.almanar.com.lb/578866

Imperialists are shook


 No.2653222

>>2653211

Ah shit song I completely forgot the link, sorry

https://www.workers.org/2018/09/19/palestine-under-attack/

>>2653215

>>2653219

Daily reminder that Hamas was created by Israel and that the PFLP and Hezbollah are the true anti-sionista gang


 No.2653226

>>2653222

Hamas was created by Israel? Really? You got a source on that? I've always preferred Hezbollah though


 No.2653227

>>2653226

Dude it's well known. Israel created Hamas to destabilize Arafat who was very powerful at the time


 No.2653229

>>2653226

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.892783f5cb49

>To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise.

>At the time, Israel's main enemy was the late Yasser Arafat's Fatah party, which formed the heart of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). Fatah was secular and cast in the mold of other revolutionary, leftist guerrilla movements waging insurgencies elsewhere in the world during the Cold War. The PLO carried out assassinations and kidnappings and, although recognized by neighboring Arab states, was considered a terrorist organization by Israel; PLO operatives in the occupied territories faced brutal repression at the hands of the Israeli security state.

>Meanwhile, the activities of Islamists affiliated with Egypt's banned Muslim Brotherhood were allowed in the open in Gaza — a radical departure from when the Strip was administered by the secular-nationalist Egyptian government of Gamal Abdel Nasser. Egypt lost control of Gaza to Israel after the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, which saw Israel also seize the West Bank. In 1966, Nasser had executed Sayyid Qutb, one of the Brotherhood's leading intellectuals. The Israelis saw Qutb's adherents in the Palestinian territories, including the wheelchair-bound Sheik Ahmed Yassin, as a useful counterweight to Arafat's PLO.

>"When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake," one Israeli official who had worked in Gaza in the 1980s said in a 2009 interview with the Wall Street Journal's Andrew Higgins. "But at the time nobody thought about the possible results."

>Higgins's article is worth reading in full. He goes on to outline the type of assistance the Israelis initially gave Yassin, whom the PLO at one time deemed a "collaborator," and Gaza's other Islamists:

>Israel's military-led administration in Gaza looked favorably on the paraplegic cleric, who set up a wide network of schools, clinics, a library and kindergartens. Sheikh Yassin formed the Islamist group Mujama al-Islamiya, which was officially recognized by Israel as a charity and then, in 1979, as an association. Israel also endorsed the establishment of the Islamic University of Gaza, which it now regards as a hotbed of militancy. The university was one of the first targets hit by Israeli warplanes in the [2008-9 Operation Cast Lead].


 No.2653234

>>2653227

I don't think it's that well known. I would've known if that were the case.


 No.2653235

>>2653227

to be fair, Fatah and Arafat do a bunch of the repression for the Israelis in the West Bank


 No.2653236

>>2653234

It's kind of well known among Leftists but among the general populace it's not really known at all (for reasons that should be obvious)


 No.2653237

>>2653229

I'd like to add that it's incorrect to label arab organizations that are anti-zionist as anti-semite because arabs are semites as well. Other than that, thanks for that info.


 No.2653239

Prager-U made video about Hezbollah.

I am really scared that their Washington masters ordered them to make this video as active measure and propaganda in preparation for upcoming war.

https://youtu.be/8DX-hjPYwjs


 No.2653241

File: 844dd3f7dfe7423⋯.png (941.05 KB, 1700x991, 1700:991, Not Hebrew.png)

>>2653237

The European Jews aren't even from there. Like at all. It's a total setter state.


 No.2653242

>>2653239

The Lebanese people, despite being divided (many Lebanese think Hezbollah is a Syrian govt/Iranian govt proxy), won't accept an invasion from the US and Israel.


 No.2653251

>>2653242

Well the thing is, Hezb is basically the one who runs security in Lebanon. Prior to Hezb Lebanon was in a constant state of civil war between various ethnicities, religions, and even fucking regions; you can still find traces of this today in Beirut where one street is pro SSNP, and the other side of the street is pro Amal, without Hezb Lebanon would be a failed state on par with Somalia with Lebs constantly infighting over politics and ideologies. When ISIS and syrian rebels entered Lebanon and occupied a portion of it, the Lebanese military had to ask Hezb for help which is fucking hilarious, since the Leb army was too incompetent to even make gains.

Plus, the current governmental body in Lebanon is unified under the March 8th alliance, which basically means Aoun consults with Nasrallah before he can do anything.

>Iran is probably gonna co-opt Palis from the Saudis sometime in the future

They've already done that, after the 2014 war on Gaza even the most liberal PFLP pali in the west bank is pro-Iran; with the exception of the current government who are traitors on the israeli payroll.

There are currently more and more Iranian flags and Hezb flags popping up in the intifada by the day, and with their holders constantly being targeted by the Palestinian security forces for arrest.


 No.2653255

>>2653251

More than that, Lebanon itself runs in an incredibly corrupt manner that Mediterranean countries are infamous for, Hezbollah controlled areas are a welfare Oasis in a desert of neoliberalism


 No.2653265

>>2653257

In south America, I'd argue a lot of it's due to literal slavery and racial stratification


 No.2653457

>>2653199

Mr.Shiada is that you?


 No.2653462

>>2653199

"Zionism is the weapon of the imperialism”. May Day demonstration. Photo by Vladimir Sychev, USSR, 1970s


 No.2653592

File: d808d651436c1f0⋯.png (293.37 KB, 1080x664, 135:83, hamas part of national mov….png)

File: 298bdf99b2dada4⋯.png (724.18 KB, 1080x931, 1080:931, pflp salutes al qassam.png)

File: 5c766e689d36aa4⋯.png (652.3 KB, 1080x833, 1080:833, pflp mourns hamas commande….png)

File: 9c28b6a6f1c803c⋯.png (669.21 KB, 1080x1433, 1080:1433, hamas congratulates pflp.png)

File: e8927e521410dc3⋯.jpeg (511.03 KB, 1024x685, 1024:685, 2006 hamas and pflp.jpeg)

>>2653222

If that were the case I would think PFLP would know about it.

>>2653229

>Meanwhile, the activities of Islamists affiliated with Egypt's banned Muslim Brotherhood were allowed in the open in Gaza

>Israel jailed Yassin in 1984 on a 12-year sentence after the discovery of hidden arms caches, but he was released a year later. The Israelis must have been more worried about other enemies.

Does he know what the Jibril Agreement was? Over 1000 prisoners released by the Zionists in exchange for 3 of their people. Kozo Okamoto was also released through this.

Shiekh Yassin was arrested again in 1989 during the First Intifada. He was sentenced to life and only released again in 1997 with another prisoner exchange. In 2001 and 2002 he was placed under house arrest by none other than the PA.

His companions were also targeted by the Zionists with imprisonment and assassination.

Hamas has taken some retarded stances though. Like initially supporting the so-called "Syrian Revolution".


 No.2653594

>>2653255

I've heard Lebanon (maybe inaccurately) described as one of the most libertarian places on the planet because the central government is basically nonexistent. So yeah, no wonder Hezbollah is able to gain support by providing services and protection.


 No.2653595

>>2653594 (me)

And relatedly, one reason why the government is so weak is because the country is divided as it is. Every party practically has an armed wing and they all agree to disagree, more or less, and no one is able to really control the whole thing – if someone tried to do that, there would be another civil war, and nobody wants that.

And then you have groups like the Druze and their party, the PSP, which goes along with whoever is the stronger of the factions at the given moment.


 No.2653818

File: 59470e541e71fd2⋯.png (430.54 KB, 909x575, 909:575, nordic caucus.png)

File: 155db7fbb8957cf⋯.png (243.36 KB, 585x581, 585:581, nordic caucus 2.png)

>there are STILL people on this board who think we should work with Dick Suckers of America


 No.2653822

File: ac9221c3d4584df⋯.jpg (57.02 KB, 1102x534, 551:267, jeremy.jpg)

File: c5866540c3e452c⋯.jpg (11.29 KB, 200x190, 20:19, sheikh-abd-al-wahid-pallav….jpg)

I will always stand with the Muslims against the zionist, capitalist, internationalist Jews.

Jews on twitter lost their shekels when Corbyn made this simple tweet.


 No.2653824

File: 9a0a12f2ea764fb⋯.png (2.92 MB, 2040x1452, 170:121, corbyn.png)

>>2653822

Nazbol Gang is back bb


 No.2653877

File: e478f02438262a2⋯.png (94.23 KB, 500x463, 500:463, elonMuskAntiSemitic.png)

>>2653822

So according to Jews all bankers are Jews or honorary Juden? At least the ones that start financial crises?

And control the press too. But unless you're Jewish it's anti-jew to say it?


 No.2653945

>>2653237

It's also incorrect to label them anti-semitic because wanting to BTF/out/ a terrorist state that has imposed its rule in your homeland isn't fucking prejudice and discrimination.


 No.2653951

>>2653824

Is Jeremy Corbyn secretly /ourguy/. He called Hezbollah and Hamas "our friends" at one point. Most Trots won't even go that far.


 No.2653965

>>2653945

Of course, this too

>>2653951

I like to believe Corbyn is hiding his power level, if I were british I'd vote for him


 No.2653991

>>2653951

>>2653965

>Surrounds himself with literal ☭TANKIE☭s and trots

>is he secretly /ourguy/

Gee I wonder


 No.2654002

>>2653991

He's still a reformist though. That alone will make many people here eithet indifferent to him or dislike him.


 No.2654138

File: bd4d1573bf46a96⋯.webm (10.34 MB, 640x360, 16:9, mn7ebak.webm)

The Lion of Damascus will win against the imperialist zionists.


 No.2654155

>>2654002

He's what one might used to call a Left-Social Democrat back in the day. He's a SocDem but he's willing to allow actual socialists into government. It's essentially the same thing Allende and Chavez tried to do. Idk if he'll have anymore success and beating back the reaction that will eventually come but that's about the long and short of it


 No.2654158

>>2654155

I love Allende, so hopefully Corbyn will be like him without all the mistakes Allende's government made.


 No.2654174

>>2653237

Somewhat unrelated but people really need to stop the "Palestinians are the true semites, so im actually pro-semitic xDD" meme, its pure semantics and isn't going to convince anyone of anything.

Words mean whatever people view them to mean. "Antisemite" has been a term for hatred towards jews for like 100 years, there's no use in trying to argue the semantics of the term.

its also used by rightwingers as a dog whistle, obviously this isn't how people here use it but its a bad look


 No.2654176

>>2654174

also obviously anti-zionism isn't anti-semitism

polite sage to avoid shitting up the board with my corrections


 No.2654181

>>2654174

What I meant is that both jews and arabs are semites, just that. When did I even imply otherwise?


 No.2654187

>>2654181

You implied that calling Semitic arabs antisemites if they hate jews is wrong because they are also semites. This is a semantic argument that doesn't really work because anti-semite has been used as a synonym for jew hater for a century now.

I just dont think this is a useful argument, I've seen it used a lot and its never convinced anyone.


 No.2654188

File: b90df39a36d22d1⋯.png (90 KB, 200x218, 100:109, 1518723344834.png)

>>2654174

Jews around the world overwhelmingly support Zionism and Israel. The dissenters being fringe ultra-orthodox sects and so-called liberal zionists. Why are people so afraid to be critical of Jews here?


 No.2654201

>>2654187

You know what I meant. And tbh, this argument should be used more often, specifically against zionists that wouldn't want to be associated with any "dirty inferior arabs"

The argument still stands because I never said palestinians or any other ethnicity/race were "true semites"


 No.2654237

>>2654188

Jews "around the world" doesn't equal Jews "in general" Also liberal zionists are still zionists

There's been a huge uptick in criticism and dissent of Israel among young people in America, with the trend being so noticeable several outlets have wrote about how the Democratic Party base is actually majority negative on Israel for the first time in decades


 No.2654262

>>2654174

You will never be a comrade until you denounce the Zionists, their Jewish enablers and the state of Israel as a whole. Read more books


 No.2654281

>>2654262

You also have to denounce the so called "two state solution". The ONLY solution is a democratic and secular Republic of Palestine that recognizes the dignified and rights of everyone regardless of ethnicity or religion. That means all the Zionist parties are to be gutted and banned like the National Party of South Africa was, and reparations for the Palestinian people who had their homes and lives destroyed by colonial project there.


 No.2654285

>>2654281

This but tbh I really wouldn't give much of a shit if Palestine somehow managed to win a war against Pissrael and just annexed all that territory.


 No.2654286

>>2654285

They will, Hezbollah is stronger than the IDF at this point, the Shia axis' weakest point is the Houthis and the Gulf monarchies have no chance of winning against them


 No.2654290

File: a37d20c5f13bed1⋯.jpg (41.94 KB, 466x680, 233:340, Dm_3zyCW4AEZJvD.jpg)

File: 0ccf776ee163366⋯.jpg (67.51 KB, 584x675, 584:675, Dm_305gXoAQKUKu.jpg)

>>2654281

>>2654281

>secular

>human rights

So mandatory homosexuality propaganda all day, abortion is a woman's right, and babies are a nuisance that should be avoided in favour of "self actualization" through hobbies or careers.


 No.2654291

>>2654285

>>2654286

Don't catch your chickens before they hatch, one of the lesser objectives of the US's pants on the head neocon foreign policy in the Middle East for the last 16 years has been to encircle Palestine and Lebanon and thus make it more difficult for their joint resistance campaigns to effectively challenge the IDF. They haven't quite done this but it wouldn't take much for Trump to whip up public support for a joint IDF/US military invasion of Palestine or even just aiding them with drone strikes without the majority of the US public even knowing til after the fact.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump and Bolton folded some sort of backing for a direct strike by the IDF against Palestine with air support into their coming invasion of Iran

>>2654290

>/pol/ack newfag who is so shielded by ideology he thinks "secular=neoliberalism"

Dude you already made the jump to posting here and apparently being more critical of capitalism as such rather than just "teh jewz xD" why are you still so committed to being retarded


 No.2654293

>>2654290

Literally all that secular means is that people won't go around beheading each other for believing the wrong spooks

But yes Women's rights and LGBT rights are also preferable in the long run though this will be stunted by the general backwardness of the population obviously


 No.2654296

>>2654293

there's already woman rights, for decades now

lgbt culture is an american invention spawned by capitalists. lgbt "culture" promotes consumerism, hyper sexualisation, narcisism and lazyness

Also they stole their flag from the Inca Empire and the beautiful city of Cuzco, Peru.

Homosexuality has always and will always exist. LGBT culture is pure capitalist garbage.


 No.2654297

>>2654290

>abortion is a woman's right, and babies are a nuisance that should be avoided in favour of "self actualization" through hobbies or careers

Oh no how horrible i am literally seething


 No.2654298

File: c8e901ef86e1324⋯.jpg (55.66 KB, 598x337, 598:337, EFF.jpg)

>>2654281

>The ONLY solution is a democratic and secular Republic of Palestine that recognizes the dignified and rights of everyone regardless of ethnicity or religion. That means all the Zionist parties are to be gutted and banned like the National Party of South Africa was, and reparations for the Palestinian people who had their homes and lives destroyed by colonial project there.

Isn't this really wishing for the impossible though? It seems to me that you might as well just set your aim right on socialism rather than hoping that Israel's ruling class will just allow you to dismantle the state that makes their power and p.rivilege possible.

For all the similarities of Apartheid SA and Israel, they are also not alike. The Zionists fanatics in their government do not recognize the right of any Palestinian state–they will not even grant Palestinians the pitiful consolation of a bantustan state. Zionist leaders have never sworn off the Greater Israel plan to expand from "Egypt to the Euphrates" and the reason for that is religious extremists in Tel Aviv think it would be an offense against God to grant even a single inch of rightful Jewish clay to non-Jews.

The fact that Israel is the Saudi Arabia of Judaism and is founded on the basis of a racist religion makes Israel quite unlike other settler-colonies.

Israel is also a tool of imperialism and an imperialist power in its own right. To even settle for multi-national secular bourgeois democracy and achieving that would be no small feat means leaving imperialist Israel and the architecture of Western imperialism that flows through Israel into the wider Middle East intact.

The end of Apartheid has not changed SA's role as a minor imperial partner in Africa and as a tool of wider world capitalist-imperialism.


 No.2654314

>>2654298

Who the FUCK said anything about Israel's opinion on the matter factoring into it at all? The fact that you even think it's a matter of letting them "choose" whether they want that or not shows you aren't really radical minded on the subject you just want a two state solution with gibs to Palestine from Israel.

You don't get it. Palestine and its few allies must crush Israel, Israel must be completely destroyed and any last trace of its culture or government shattered into dust and spread to the wind. Is this possible? Maybe maybe not. But it doesn't have anything to do with "asking" Israel for anything. Palestine and its allies must TAKE back Israel or at least attempt to. Now does this mean killing every single last Jew living in Israel? Absolutely not and most groups who understand the level of violence necessary to reclaim the homeland don't even want this. HOWEVER those Jews who think they will get to stay and also still be Zionists after the fact (if Israel loses in this hypothetical war) will either have to leave or face harsh punishment and repression.

What you're suggesting is akin to someone saying "Right but the Nazis won't simply ALLOW the Jews to return to their ghettos :D" It's not about asking anyone politely to do anything. Supporting Palestine means SUPPORTING THEM not just giving empty rhetoric about "humanism" or whatever

Fuck off liberal


 No.2654385

File: 9ca5cb2f94b792a⋯.jpg (352.96 KB, 1014x1545, 338:515, NasserGANG.jpg)

>>2654314

>Is this possible? Maybe maybe not

You don't even really believe that its possible but Palestinians (and others) should die en masse to take back Israel at all costs….for what reason? That it pleases you that they should attempt to do so? If the type of revolutionary war that you propose were defeated it would be a massive setback for the Palestinian national liberation movement.

A two state solution actually is something even if it doesn't result in the complete liberation of Palestine immediately. Many leading Palestinian resistance figures and groups have supported it. It would be a step-forward if it was achieved.

Was the Easter Rising and the proclamation of the Republic of Ireland not a blow to imperialism because there was a two-state solution?

You've skipped over the most important contention of my post which is that your fantasy of a Palestine modeled on ANC South Africa but this time with roving bands of Palestinian cultural revolutionaries and gulags/deportation for recalcitrant Zionists is just that–a fantasy. It's far more likely that the Arab-Jewish working class will band together to overthrow the bourgeoisie on both sides of the barricades then it is that that will happen.

Only socialism can ensure complete national liberation; big tent bourgeois national liberation (even of the revolutionary variety) will only go so far until it compromises some of the interests of the national revolutionary movement in favor of a mutual class interest of preserving the rights of capital.

Let's take your example:

>What you're suggesting is akin to someone saying "Right but the Nazis won't simply ALLOW the Jews to return to their ghettos :D"

In this case, it wasn't woke Zionists or Polish nationalists fighting Nazi occupation that actually ended this (extreme) case of oppression but the Red Army.

Bourgeois anti-colonialist/anti-imperiaist/anti-fascist movements have real and serious shortcomings that I don't think any amount of wishful thinking will overcome. It's not a coincidence that the most successful nat-lib movements have been led by communist parties.

If a Palestinian communist party were to take over the struggle from the "traitorous" national bourgeois in Palestine then what would we have but the transformation of the national-liberation movement into a more general movement of class war?

Right now, Jewish Israelis are actually the majority in Israel and the Occupied territories but even with the right to return they would still make up a near majority. And that means, that once you factor in those Palestinians/others that will vote with Jewish Israelis on certain issues they will still make up a plurality. As I said, the parallel with South Africa is similar but also quite different.

So, should Israel's opinion matter? That is irrelevant to the fact that it will. Only an alliance with the Jewish working class will make revolutionary change possible, otherwise you're stuck with never-ending palace struggles about what certain factions of Zionist bourgeois think.

This is why I think socialism is far more likely an outcome than one state, or the radical "de-colonial" visions of a one-state solution posited by some. Only the proletariat has the power to get it done and it can only be done by Jewish and Palestinian proletarians working together.


 No.2654766

>>2654262

>implying i dont support Palestine and am not Anti-Zionist just because i dont think a semantic argument is very useful


 No.2654792

File: b47c8a7ec3e17d5⋯.png (352.1 KB, 600x693, 200:231, fact.png)

>>2654385

>You don't even really believe that its possible but Palestinians (and others) should die en masse to take back Israel at all costs….for what reason? That it pleases you that they should attempt to do so? If the type of revolutionary war that you propose were defeated it would be a massive setback for the Palestinian national liberation movement.

>A two state solution actually is something even if it doesn't result in the complete liberation of Palestine immediately. Many leading Palestinian resistance figures and groups have supported it. It would be a step-forward if it was achieved.

>You've skipped over the most important contention of my post which is that your fantasy of a Palestine modeled on ANC South Africa but this time with roving bands of Palestinian cultural revolutionaries and gulags/deportation for recalcitrant Zionists is just that–a fantasy. It's far more likely that the Arab-Jewish working class will band together to overthrow the bourgeoisie on both sides of the barricades then it is that that will happen.

You see this is the problem with your entire argument. It's predicated on a naive belief that the majority of Israelis, including the working class, actually WANT a two-state solution. They absolutely don't. Are there probably small portions of Israeli society that do (aside from the Arabs who live there as second class citizens)? Absolutely. But in Israel, particularly recently, there has been an increasing attack on any journalist or activist who has any sympathy at all for Palestine. The liberal and "left" parties and organizations are impotent as fuck and haven't done any kind of real organizing in decades. Israel right now is a fucking fascist state, there's a reason they force the majority of the population to be in the military together .

You act like there's the evil Israeli bourgoeise who are hardline Zionist and then a big mass of radical working class Israelis who understand the necessity of working with Palestinians. It's quite the opposite. The vast majority of Israeli society at this point is either legitimately pro-Zionist or too afraid of retaliation from the State to say anything. Whenever an IDF soldier shoots a child and actually gets put on trial (which often doesn't even get that far) it's a regular phenomenon for MASSIVE rallies in support of the IDF soldier with people from all classes of Israeli society chanting racist slogans against Palestine and so on.

One really only has to look at the attitude towards the settlements and general disregard for the logical conclusion of Israeli expansion among ACTUAL ISRAELIS to see that at this point the Jewish working class and Leftist parties, even if they want to do your plan of working with the Palestinian working class jointly, won't and in a lot of ways literally can't.

You aren't looking at this realistically at all you just want a "w-why can't everyone just get along D: approach". It's objectively the case that any chance of reform in Israel (or America's relationship with Israel for that matter) ended a LONG time ago. You're doing basically the same thing Democrat Cops of America shits do when they argue socialists should work within the Dem party because "revolutions just too hard dude". They don't realize that it doesn't matter. It's either revolt despite the chance of failure or fail for certain when the Democrats kill your movement like they have a million times. It's the same thing with Palestine and it's allies and they understand that for the most part.

>Was the Easter Rising and the proclamation of the Republic of Ireland not a blow to imperialism because there was a two-state solution?

>Using Ireland as an example of how lofty daydreams of the working class of the two warring nations resolving the issue through a joint uprising

Fucking kek'd hard


 No.2656336

File: 28b31d60ad76fbf⋯.webm (10.9 MB, 320x240, 4:3, hezbollah al mawt li isra….webm)


 No.2657429

File: 9306500b40c3c04⋯.jpg (306.94 KB, 720x1280, 9:16, Screenshot_20180924-213715.jpg)


 No.2658041

>>2657429

Russia keeps going back and forth between redpilled and bluepilled


 No.2658044

>>2657429

you can bet the USA has already sent Israel every piece of information it has on the capabilities of the S300 and how to counter it. The USA owns an S300 system it uses for research and training, it also does training against Greek S300 systems. the number of systems Syria has wont pose a real hinderance to Israel, and Russia stands to lose a lot when they're destroyed, Like Israel has been doing to Syrian Pantsirs. AA systems cost hundreds of millions of dollars,


 No.2658046

also, when Cyprus tried to install S300s on their Island, Turkey went and bought surface to surface missiles which could be used to destroy them. These missiles were bought from Israel. Turkish f16 pilots also trained in israel to avoid and destroy s300s.

So realistically, Israel has it on lock.


 No.2658177

File: 90804a3d87bfd9c⋯.jpg (53.71 KB, 634x508, 317:254, article-2048107-0E57684C00….jpg)

>>2658044

>>2658046

Shalom, captain Levi!

Nice try at hasbara here!

What's the weather like in Tel Aviv today?


 No.2658818

>>2658046

>>2658177

you're right. Israel doesn't have a military. the SAA can directly march to Eilat tomorrow and Israel couldn't stop them. Anyone who says otherwise is a shill.


 No.2658942

File: 737b049dfabd2ab⋯.webm (14.15 MB, 640x360, 16:9, ismail haniyeh.webm)

FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA


 No.2659735

Daaaa jooooooos


 No.2659787

>>2654296

>Women's rights already exist

not in the Mid East?

>LGBT Culture

I don't really care about "LGBT Cultutre or pride parades or something it's just that the Sexual Liberation of all members of society will come out as a natural result of the loss of religious spooks and reactionary elements in society


 No.2659879

>>2659787

>Sexual Liberation of all members of society will come out as a natural result of the loss of religious spooks and reactionary elements in society

But where do we draw the line comrade?


 No.2659949

>>2659879

How do you mean though?

Well, let me guess.

No we ought not entertain the idea of letting fetishes like pedophilia and bestiality become socially acceptable.

I think healthy sexual activity can be encouraged in a decommodified world to help eek out the sicker fetishes.

But in the end it all has to be left to the give community.


 No.2659966

>>2654290

> homosexuality propaganda all day

No, uncalled for displays of sexual desire in public should be strongly discouraged for everyone

>abortion is a woman's right

no

>and babies are a nuisance

no, babies are a massive responsibility which shouldn't happen on accident and should only be imposed on responsible and willing people. Possibly by eliminating "natural" insemination all together, forced vasectomies for all males at 13.

>in favour of "self actualization" through hobbies or careers.

yes.


 No.2660045

>>2653199

You leftists don't realize for some reason Jews control everything. All the world's problems are Jewish. /pol/ is right about that much.


 No.2660050

>>2653234

I'm from /pol/. If I realized that /leftypol/ hates Jews just as much as /pol/ does I would not have been so against you all this time.


 No.2660053

>>2654188

Nazis KIIIIIIIND of ruined that aspect. I agree though.


 No.2660054

>>2654188

>Why are people so afraid to be critical of Jews here?

Because leftists are willing slaves of The Jew. Ruled by their masters, having their strings pulled like puppets.


 No.2660060

>>2660054

Tbf we aren't afraid to kill jews, OBVIOUSLY not for being jewish, but for being porkies, idpol be damned.


 No.2660102

File: 9660814f8bc2d8c⋯.jpg (75.14 KB, 504x566, 252:283, bcaf0b2a8f02a21626e977db8b….jpg)

>>2660054

>>2660045

The jewish question is something american globalist shills talk to distract the people over the fact that american imperialism supported by american citizens rules the world and wants to kill every culture in order to substitute with their own


 No.2660189

>>2660060

This so much. To all the /pol/acks here, you think we wouldn't cheer the deaths of Soros, Rotschild, and Kissinger? These are some of the worst human beings currently alive who just so happen to be jewish. Doesn't mean anything, if they were black, asian, gay, whatever the fuck they'd get the bullet too.


 No.2660212

>>2660210

Someone seems to be obsessed with Jews


 No.2660213

File: e50aca0a1a92237⋯.jpg (23.2 KB, 450x437, 450:437, Freud_head_shot.jpg)

>>2654290

Phallocognitive politics strike again


 No.2660613

File: 68e3cdc26aa49b8⋯.jpg (220.92 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 20180928_183754.jpg)

Sorry for the very ignorant question on my part but can anyone tell me who this guy is?


 No.2660617

>>2660613

i'm pretty sure that's mahmoud ahmadinejad


 No.2660620

>>2660617

I just checked and yeah it's him.


 No.2663375

>>2658041

>>2658044

Be wary of any Anti-Israel shit Russia does. From a material standpoint it's good RIGHT NOW but keep in mind that Putin is not Lenin. Capitalists control both countries and once the USA implodes its not very far outside the realm of possibility that Russia will begin to trade and give aid to Israel in some form if they receive some sort of good deal in return.

Israel is a little leech that would be crushed by the foot of a united Middle East if it didn't get so much fucking support from the USA and Western Europe. If the capitalists on Putin's side and Putin himself decide they can get something out of being friendly with Israel they will turn like a dime

To be fair though I don't really see what that could be at this time. Russia has built up such a good relationship with Syria and Iran that idk how he could possibly get any better of a Middle Eastern position than he has right now by pivoting to Israel and/or Zionism


 No.2663716

File: f3db34f3d6ddc50⋯.webm (11.25 MB, 320x262, 160:131, idhrib saroukh al qassam.webm)


 No.2668952

File: b5af3f20db0ff60⋯.png (708.29 KB, 800x800, 1:1, zt8j6yfb6f301.png)


 No.2668982

>>2663375

Russia baffles me so much. They go from based to unbased so quickly. Only time will tell what they'll do next in the middle east I suppose.


 No.2669417

File: 8a4686836d257b9⋯.jpeg (46.32 KB, 655x527, 655:527, 714B4BB6-8515-4D49-91EF-7….jpeg)

im absolutely opposed to the israeli state on the grounds that it is a racist, imperialist power engaged in ethnic cleansing and war-profiteering, but the people calling for the total expulsion of jews from the region are actually just retarded.

internationalism and class consciousness, not blood-and-soil and class collaboration mk?


 No.2669541

>>2669417

But would the israeli state ever accept a one-state solution? I seriously doubt it, so the only way I see it happening is a wat between Israel and Palestine, which would have to be headed by secular and pragmatic palestinians so if they were to win they wouldn't straight up genocide all the jews living there.


 No.2669556

>>2654298

>fucking based white Julius malema supporter in an eff hat

lol


 No.2673181

File: 20606abe44ba9fd⋯.jpg (449.47 KB, 2160x1821, 720:607, pflp on syria.jpg)


 No.2678869

File: 2ce688f33364525⋯.jpg (49.3 KB, 550x522, 275:261, israel.jpg)

Renewed attacks on BDS in two recent cases, both involving colleges and college students

First a woman was detained and has been held at an Israeli airport for a week for merely being suspected of being SYMPATHETIC to BDS despite Israel so far finding no evidence that she actually has been an active participant in the movement:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-defends-actions-against-detained-u-s-student-lara-alqasem-as-international-criticism-mounts-2018-10-10/

> Israel is defending its handling of the case of an American graduate student who has been detained at the country's international airport for the past week over allegations she supports a boycott against the Jewish state.

>Strategic Affairs Minister Gilad Erdan said Wednesday that Israel had the right to protect itself and decide who enters its borders despite growing international criticism.

>"We are doing whatever we believe that is right for the security of the state of Israel and that is more important than whatever The New York Times or other newspapers around the world will say about our policy," Erdan said.

>Lara Alqasem, a 22-year-old American citizen with Palestinian grandparents, landed at Ben-Gurion Airport last week with a valid student visa and was registered to study human rights at Israel's Hebrew University in Jerusalem. She was barred from entering the country and ordered deported, based on suspicions that she supports a Palestinian-led boycott movement.

>An Israeli court has ordered that she remain in custody while she appeals, although Israel says she can leave the country.

>While waiting for her appeal to be heard, Alqasem has been spending her days in a closed area with little access to a telephone, no internet and a bed that was infested with bedbugs, according to people who have spoken to her.

>The weeklong detention is the longest anyone has been held in a boycott-related case. Her case is set to be heard at a Tel Aviv court Thursday

In the second case, a professor at an American University has been reprimanded for refusing to write a letter of recommendation for a student interested in studying at Tel Aviv University, citing BDS as his inspiration:

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/10/14/not-writing-recommendation-letters-occupiers-palestinian-territories

>My colleague John Cheney-Lippold in the American Culture Department of the University of Michigan has been disciplined by the Colleges of Letters, Sciences and Arts for declining to write a recommendation letter for a student to do summer study at Tel Aviv University. He took this position because of his support for the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement in civil society, which is an attempt to pressure Israel to cease its illegal colonization of the West Bank and its illegal collective punishment of Palestinian civilians in Gaza via a Draconian blockade.

>Cheney-Lippold also went into his classroom after the social media furor broke out and found his undergraduates puzzled and confused, so opened up some time to discuss the issues. He is also being sanctioned for that.

>Since any of us who teach Middle East or social movements might have occasion to discuss BDS in the classroom, this seems to me a key First Amendment issue.

>Cheney-Lippold had a sabbatical for next winter taken away, was denied a merit pay increase, and was threatened with being fired entirely if he declined to write another such letter

And again, the Rightist Free Speech warriors are nowhere to be found kek


 No.2678875

>>2669417

>internationalism and class consciousness, not blood-and-soil and class collaboration mk?

Nobody is disagreeing with you and I don't believe anyone other than the Nazis ITT have argued for a "total expulsion of Jews" but rather a one state solution with leftist and working class Palestinians having a monopoly on control in the government since all the liberal "opposition" in Israel is even more impotent than the ones in Russia and perhaps a banning on right-wing extremist parties such as Jewish Home and elements of Likkud (obviously a one party Commie state would be preferable but it's not like that's gonna happen kek)

The only mass expulsion I argued for was that of the settlements and a return of those homes to Palestinians. I also argued that a cultural revolution of sorts would be necessary to obliterate Israel's inherent fascism but made sure to point out that it can only be done by the working class and the most oppressed Palestinians led by actual Leftist orgs in Palestine and perhaps Lebanon, not Islamists or Iranian wreckers or whoever else wants a one-state solution just so they can have another Islamist theocracy in the Middle East.

Idk where you're getting the "mass expulsion of jews" nonsense from


 No.2678916

Does anybody have any good sources on the events leading up to the 1948 war? It seems to me like it was an inevitable outcome of British policy and UN incompetence, combined with the utter refusal of any other country to accept European Jewish refugees. In other words the Nakba seems to be more the fault of the eternal Anglo than anything else, with the Jews being forced into the role of settlers and eventually oppressors. It goes without saying however that none of this excuses the current Israeli policies of apartheid.


 No.2678919

File: ff3d5240d0e0f26⋯.png (53.63 KB, 991x455, 991:455, $REG24Z3.png)

>>2678916

>In other words the Nakba seems to be more the fault of the eternal Anglo than anything else, with the Jews being forced into the role of settlers and eventually oppressors. It goes without saying however that none of this excuses the current Israeli policies of apartheid.

Not what you were asking for but this part reminded me of pic related and why America and Israel need to be crushed and start over


 No.2679250


 No.2679258

>>2660102

>[…] rules the world and wants to kill every culture in order to substitute with their own

IF only it WAS about that (than it would be a great thing)

… beacause that "culture" you refer to has NOTHING worth protecting, basically total and utter barbarism, every shitty thing worshipping the rapist warlord prophet should be burnt to ashes


 No.2679279

>>2653199

Now this is something I can get behind!


 No.2679289

>>2679258

People in ISIS have more genuine culture than America

t. Burger


 No.2679313

File: b9019421fef2b30⋯.jpg (100.41 KB, 600x600, 1:1, bang.jpg)

>>2679289

Because fucking goats and throwing queers off of rooftops is better than cooking out and shooting off fireworks.


 No.2679317

>>2679313

Literally every country with a fireworks culture does it better than America. Kurds, Aussies, and Koreans all have better Barbecue.


 No.2679320

File: c26cfb8d076bb12⋯.jpg (35.23 KB, 367x384, 367:384, Do you think I'm joking.jpg)

>>2679317

Bullshit, you've never been to Tennessee or Kentucky.


 No.2679326

File: c0e202f08653202⋯.jpg (970.59 KB, 1809x3367, 1809:3367, gas.jpg)

>>2679289

>>2679317

t. sandnigger who's never been to America but thinks they know anything about American politics

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.2679328

>>2679289

>MENA = ISIS

I'm the first guy to criticize Islamic culture, but these people have always been considered savages by their peers. They only came to power because burger imperialism left a gaping power vacuum.


 No.2679333

File: dbc320ee7d6848e⋯.png (320.06 KB, 558x729, 62:81, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.png)

>>2679328

Just a reminder, bitch in pic related helped create the Arab Spring.


 No.2680149

>>2679289

go to isis, tell them your political views.

-1idiot


 No.2681135


 No.2681174

>>2679333

The "Arab Spring" was started in Tunisia and spread the Egypt as populist movements. The debacles in Libya and Syria where at least in part egged on by the CIA who had been planning a series of wars all around east Asia and Africa as a MIC money pit. The Arab Spring was just taken advantage of, and HRC was just a player like Cheney, and Kissinger before her.

As far as I could tell.




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