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Here we discuss Israel, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Israel's ties to greater American imperialism and it's relations with other countries in the middle, whether or not it is an ethnostate, two state solution, one-state solution, "le no state solution xD" for the edgy anarkiddies who still think R.ojava did anything at all to make Syria into true communism, and so on

To start the thread off I'll summize an interesting article I've just read:

>The White House has expanded its offensive against the rights of the Palestinian people for self-determination on two fronts, including the right to return to the lands taken from them by the Israeli state.

>The most recent front is in Palestine and involves a drastic cut in what is normally described as humanitarian aid. The U.S. cut its $200 million contribution to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for its aid work in occupied Palestine on Aug. 24. The U.S. decision leaves UNRWA’s provision of health care and emergency aid as well as education for 526,000 Palestinian refugee children facing a serious shortfall.

>Back in the U.S.A., the administration has sharpened its attack on people who work in solidarity with Palestinians and with Palestine, falsely accusing them of anti-Semitism. Kenneth Marcus, Assistant Secretary of Civil Rights at the Department of Education, wrote a letter to the Zionist Organization of America promising to reopen an investigation of students at Rutgers University. These students are charged with anti-Semitism because they held a meeting in 2011 with a panel of Jewish Holocaust survivors under the heading “Never Again for Anyone.” The charges had been dropped by the Obama administration in 2014.

>While Washington and Tel Aviv have not always agreed on every tactic over 70 years, they have always shared common reactionary interests in that area of West Asia where Israel is a regional power. Israel was and is a settler state, isolated from its neighbors and oppressing the Indigenous population it removed from their homes and lands. The Israeli state has been both dependent on Western — and especially U.S. — imperialism for military, political and diplomatic aid. And it has also acted as an enforcer of imperialist interests in the region against anti-imperialist peoples and states


Any jewish, ot more specifically israeli anons here? What made you turn to socialism and what do you think of Israel and palestinians?



>To start the thread off I'll summize an interesting article I've just read:

Why no link? Was it posted on stormfront?




Hezbollah is stronger right now than the PLO ever was


Imperialists are shook



Ah shit song I completely forgot the link, sorry




Daily reminder that Hamas was created by Israel and that the PFLP and Hezbollah are the true anti-sionista gang



Hamas was created by Israel? Really? You got a source on that? I've always preferred Hezbollah though



Dude it's well known. Israel created Hamas to destabilize Arafat who was very powerful at the time




>To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise.

>At the time, Israel's main enemy was the late Yasser Arafat's Fatah party, which formed the heart of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). Fatah was secular and cast in the mold of other revolutionary, leftist guerrilla movements waging insurgencies elsewhere in the world during the Cold War. The PLO carried out assassinations and kidnappings and, although recognized by neighboring Arab states, was considered a terrorist organization by Israel; PLO operatives in the occupied territories faced brutal repression at the hands of the Israeli security state.

>Meanwhile, the activities of Islamists affiliated with Egypt's banned Muslim Brotherhood were allowed in the open in Gaza — a radical departure from when the Strip was administered by the secular-nationalist Egyptian government of Gamal Abdel Nasser. Egypt lost control of Gaza to Israel after the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, which saw Israel also seize the West Bank. In 1966, Nasser had executed Sayyid Qutb, one of the Brotherhood's leading intellectuals. The Israelis saw Qutb's adherents in the Palestinian territories, including the wheelchair-bound Sheik Ahmed Yassin, as a useful counterweight to Arafat's PLO.

>"When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake," one Israeli official who had worked in Gaza in the 1980s said in a 2009 interview with the Wall Street Journal's Andrew Higgins. "But at the time nobody thought about the possible results."

>Higgins's article is worth reading in full. He goes on to outline the type of assistance the Israelis initially gave Yassin, whom the PLO at one time deemed a "collaborator," and Gaza's other Islamists:

>Israel's military-led administration in Gaza looked favorably on the paraplegic cleric, who set up a wide network of schools, clinics, a library and kindergartens. Sheikh Yassin formed the Islamist group Mujama al-Islamiya, which was officially recognized by Israel as a charity and then, in 1979, as an association. Israel also endorsed the establishment of the Islamic University of Gaza, which it now regards as a hotbed of militancy. The university was one of the first targets hit by Israeli warplanes in the [2008-9 Operation Cast Lead].



I don't think it's that well known. I would've known if that were the case.



to be fair, Fatah and Arafat do a bunch of the repression for the Israelis in the West Bank



It's kind of well known among Leftists but among the general populace it's not really known at all (for reasons that should be obvious)



I'd like to add that it's incorrect to label arab organizations that are anti-zionist as anti-semite because arabs are semites as well. Other than that, thanks for that info.


Prager-U made video about Hezbollah.

I am really scared that their Washington masters ordered them to make this video as active measure and propaganda in preparation for upcoming war.



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The European Jews aren't even from there. Like at all. It's a total setter state.



The Lebanese people, despite being divided (many Lebanese think Hezbollah is a Syrian govt/Iranian govt proxy), won't accept an invasion from the US and Israel.



Well the thing is, Hezb is basically the one who runs security in Lebanon. Prior to Hezb Lebanon was in a constant state of civil war between various ethnicities, religions, and even fucking regions; you can still find traces of this today in Beirut where one street is pro SSNP, and the other side of the street is pro Amal, without Hezb Lebanon would be a failed state on par with Somalia with Lebs constantly infighting over politics and ideologies. When ISIS and syrian rebels entered Lebanon and occupied a portion of it, the Lebanese military had to ask Hezb for help which is fucking hilarious, since the Leb army was too incompetent to even make gains.

Plus, the current governmental body in Lebanon is unified under the March 8th alliance, which basically means Aoun consults with Nasrallah before he can do anything.

>Iran is probably gonna co-opt Palis from the Saudis sometime in the future

They've already done that, after the 2014 war on Gaza even the most liberal PFLP pali in the west bank is pro-Iran; with the exception of the current government who are traitors on the israeli payroll.

There are currently more and more Iranian flags and Hezb flags popping up in the intifada by the day, and with their holders constantly being targeted by the Palestinian security forces for arrest.



More than that, Lebanon itself runs in an incredibly corrupt manner that Mediterranean countries are infamous for, Hezbollah controlled areas are a welfare Oasis in a desert of neoliberalism



In south America, I'd argue a lot of it's due to literal slavery and racial stratification



Mr.Shiada is that you?



"Zionism is the weapon of the imperialism”. May Day demonstration. Photo by Vladimir Sychev, USSR, 1970s


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If that were the case I would think PFLP would know about it.


>Meanwhile, the activities of Islamists affiliated with Egypt's banned Muslim Brotherhood were allowed in the open in Gaza

>Israel jailed Yassin in 1984 on a 12-year sentence after the discovery of hidden arms caches, but he was released a year later. The Israelis must have been more worried about other enemies.

Does he know what the Jibril Agreement was? Over 1000 prisoners released by the Zionists in exchange for 3 of their people. Kozo Okamoto was also released through this.

Shiekh Yassin was arrested again in 1989 during the First Intifada. He was sentenced to life and only released again in 1997 with another prisoner exchange. In 2001 and 2002 he was placed under house arrest by none other than the PA.

His companions were also targeted by the Zionists with imprisonment and assassination.

Hamas has taken some retarded stances though. Like initially supporting the so-called "Syrian Revolution".



I've heard Lebanon (maybe inaccurately) described as one of the most libertarian places on the planet because the central government is basically nonexistent. So yeah, no wonder Hezbollah is able to gain support by providing services and protection.


>>2653594 (me)

And relatedly, one reason why the government is so weak is because the country is divided as it is. Every party practically has an armed wing and they all agree to disagree, more or less, and no one is able to really control the whole thing – if someone tried to do that, there would be another civil war, and nobody wants that.

And then you have groups like the Druze and their party, the PSP, which goes along with whoever is the stronger of the factions at the given moment.


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>there are STILL people on this board who think we should work with Dick Suckers of America


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I will always stand with the Muslims against the zionist, capitalist, internationalist Jews.

Jews on twitter lost their shekels when Corbyn made this simple tweet.


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Nazbol Gang is back bb



So according to Jews all bankers are Jews or honorary Juden? At least the ones that start financial crises?

And control the press too. But unless you're Jewish it's anti-jew to say it?



It's also incorrect to label them anti-semitic because wanting to BTF/out/ a terrorist state that has imposed its rule in your homeland isn't fucking prejudice and discrimination.



Is Jeremy Corbyn secretly /ourguy/. He called Hezbollah and Hamas "our friends" at one point. Most Trots won't even go that far.



Of course, this too


I like to believe Corbyn is hiding his power level, if I were british I'd vote for him




>Surrounds himself with literal ☭TANKIE☭s and trots

>is he secretly /ourguy/

Gee I wonder



He's still a reformist though. That alone will make many people here eithet indifferent to him or dislike him.


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The Lion of Damascus will win against the imperialist zionists.



He's what one might used to call a Left-Social Democrat back in the day. He's a SocDem but he's willing to allow actual socialists into government. It's essentially the same thing Allende and Chavez tried to do. Idk if he'll have anymore success and beating back the reaction that will eventually come but that's about the long and short of it



I love Allende, so hopefully Corbyn will be like him without all the mistakes Allende's government made.



Somewhat unrelated but people really need to stop the "Palestinians are the true semites, so im actually pro-semitic xDD" meme, its pure semantics and isn't going to convince anyone of anything.

Words mean whatever people view them to mean. "Antisemite" has been a term for hatred towards jews for like 100 years, there's no use in trying to argue the semantics of the term.

its also used by rightwingers as a dog whistle, obviously this isn't how people here use it but its a bad look



also obviously anti-zionism isn't anti-semitism

polite sage to avoid shitting up the board with my corrections



What I meant is that both jews and arabs are semites, just that. When did I even imply otherwise?



You implied that calling Semitic arabs antisemites if they hate jews is wrong because they are also semites. This is a semantic argument that doesn't really work because anti-semite has been used as a synonym for jew hater for a century now.

I just dont think this is a useful argument, I've seen it used a lot and its never convinced anyone.


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Jews around the world overwhelmingly support Zionism and Israel. The dissenters being fringe ultra-orthodox sects and so-called liberal zionists. Why are people so afraid to be critical of Jews here?



You know what I meant. And tbh, this argument should be used more often, specifically against zionists that wouldn't want to be associated with any "dirty inferior arabs"

The argument still stands because I never said palestinians or any other ethnicity/race were "true semites"



Jews "around the world" doesn't equal Jews "in general" Also liberal zionists are still zionists

There's been a huge uptick in criticism and dissent of Israel among young people in America, with the trend being so noticeable several outlets have wrote about how the Democratic Party base is actually majority negative on Israel for the first time in decades



You will never be a comrade until you denounce the Zionists, their Jewish enablers and the state of Israel as a whole. Read more books



You also have to denounce the so called "two state solution". The ONLY solution is a democratic and secular Republic of Palestine that recognizes the dignified and rights of everyone regardless of ethnicity or religion. That means all the Zionist parties are to be gutted and banned like the National Party of South Africa was, and reparations for the Palestinian people who had their homes and lives destroyed by colonial project there.



This but tbh I really wouldn't give much of a shit if Palestine somehow managed to win a war against Pissrael and just annexed all that territory.



They will, Hezbollah is stronger than the IDF at this point, the Shia axis' weakest point is the Houthis and the Gulf monarchies have no chance of winning against them


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>human rights

So mandatory homosexuality propaganda all day, abortion is a woman's right, and babies are a nuisance that should be avoided in favour of "self actualization" through hobbies or careers.




Don't catch your chickens before they hatch, one of the lesser objectives of the US's pants on the head neocon foreign policy in the Middle East for the last 16 years has been to encircle Palestine and Lebanon and thus make it more difficult for their joint resistance campaigns to effectively challenge the IDF. They haven't quite done this but it wouldn't take much for Trump to whip up public support for a joint IDF/US military invasion of Palestine or even just aiding them with drone strikes without the majority of the US public even knowing til after the fact.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump and Bolton folded some sort of backing for a direct strike by the IDF against Palestine with air support into their coming invasion of Iran


>/pol/ack newfag who is so shielded by ideology he thinks "secular=neoliberalism"

Dude you already made the jump to posting here and apparently being more critical of capitalism as such rather than just "teh jewz xD" why are you still so committed to being retarded



there's already woman rights, for decades now

lgbt culture is an american invention spawned by capitalists. lgbt "culture" promotes consumerism, hyper sexualisation, narcisism and lazyness

Also they stole their flag from the Inca Empire and the beautiful city of Cuzco, Peru.

Homosexuality has always and will always exist. LGBT culture is pure capitalist garbage.



>abortion is a woman's right, and babies are a nuisance that should be avoided in favour of "self actualization" through hobbies or careers

Oh no how horrible i am literally seething


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>The ONLY solution is a democratic and secular Republic of Palestine that recognizes the dignified and rights of everyone regardless of ethnicity or religion. That means all the Zionist parties are to be gutted and banned like the National Party of South Africa was, and reparations for the Palestinian people who had their homes and lives destroyed by colonial project there.

Isn't this really wishing for the impossible though? It seems to me that you might as well just set your aim right on socialism rather than hoping that Israel's ruling class will just allow you to dismantle the state that makes their power and p.rivilege possible.

For all the similarities of Apartheid SA and Israel, they are also not alike. The Zionists fanatics in their government do not recognize the right of any Palestinian state–they will not even grant Palestinians the pitiful consolation of a bantustan state. Zionist leaders have never sworn off the Greater Israel plan to expand from "Egypt to the Euphrates" and the reason for that is religious extremists in Tel Aviv think it would be an offense against God to grant even a single inch of rightful Jewish clay to non-Jews.

The fact that Israel is the Saudi Arabia of Judaism and is founded on the basis of a racist religion makes Israel quite unlike other settler-colonies.

Israel is also a tool of imperialism and an imperialist power in its own right. To even settle for multi-national secular bourgeois democracy and achieving that would be no small feat means leaving imperialist Israel and the architecture of Western imperialism that flows through Israel into the wider Middle East intact.

The end of Apartheid has not changed SA's role as a minor imperial partner in Africa and as a tool of wider world capitalist-imperialism.



Who the FUCK said anything about Israel's opinion on the matter factoring into it at all? The fact that you even think it's a matter of letting them "choose" whether they want that or not shows you aren't really radical minded on the subject you just want a two state solution with gibs to Palestine from Israel.

You don't get it. Palestine and its few allies must crush Israel, Israel must be completely destroyed and any last trace of its culture or government shattered into dust and spread to the wind. Is this possible? Maybe maybe not. But it doesn't have anything to do with "asking" Israel for anything. Palestine and its allies must TAKE back Israel or at least attempt to. Now does this mean killing every single last Jew living in Israel? Absolutely not and most groups who understand the level of violence necessary to reclaim the homeland don't even want this. HOWEVER those Jews who think they will get to stay and also still be Zionists after the fact (if Israel loses in this hypothetical war) will either have to leave or face harsh punishment and repression.

What you're suggesting is akin to someone saying "Right but the Nazis won't simply ALLOW the Jews to return to their ghettos :D" It's not about asking anyone politely to do anything. Supporting Palestine means SUPPORTING THEM not just giving empty rhetoric about "humanism" or whatever

Fuck off liberal


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>Is this possible? Maybe maybe not

You don't even really believe that its possible but Palestinians (and others) should die en masse to take back Israel at all costs….for what reason? That it pleases you that they should attempt to do so? If the type of revolutionary war that you propose were defeated it would be a massive setback for the Palestinian national liberation movement.

A two state solution actually is something even if it doesn't result in the complete liberation of Palestine immediately. Many leading Palestinian resistance figures and groups have supported it. It would be a step-forward if it was achieved.

Was the Easter Rising and the proclamation of the Republic of Ireland not a blow to imperialism because there was a two-state solution?

You've skipped over the most important contention of my post which is that your fantasy of a Palestine modeled on ANC South Africa but this time with roving bands of Palestinian cultural revolutionaries and gulags/deportation for recalcitrant Zionists is just that–a fantasy. It's far more likely that the Arab-Jewish working class will band together to overthrow the bourgeoisie on both sides of the barricades then it is that that will happen.

Only socialism can ensure complete national liberation; big tent bourgeois national liberation (even of the revolutionary variety) will only go so far until it compromises some of the interests of the national revolutionary movement in favor of a mutual class interest of preserving the rights of capital.

Let's take your example:

>What you're suggesting is akin to someone saying "Right but the Nazis won't simply ALLOW the Jews to return to their ghettos :D"

In this case, it wasn't woke Zionists or Polish nationalists fighting Nazi occupation that actually ended this (extreme) case of oppression but the Red Army.

Bourgeois anti-colonialist/anti-imperiaist/anti-fascist movements have real and serious shortcomings that I don't think any amount of wishful thinking will overcome. It's not a coincidence that the most successful nat-lib movements have been led by communist parties.

If a Palestinian communist party were to take over the struggle from the "traitorous" national bourgeois in Palestine then what would we have but the transformation of the national-liberation movement into a more general movement of class war?

Right now, Jewish Israelis are actually the majority in Israel and the Occupied territories but even with the right to return they would still make up a near majority. And that means, that once you factor in those Palestinians/others that will vote with Jewish Israelis on certain issues they will still make up a plurality. As I said, the parallel with South Africa is similar but also quite different.

So, should Israel's opinion matter? That is irrelevant to the fact that it will. Only an alliance with the Jewish working class will make revolutionary change possible, otherwise you're stuck with never-ending palace struggles about what certain factions of Zionist bourgeois think.

This is why I think socialism is far more likely an outcome than one state, or the radical "de-colonial" visions of a one-state solution posited by some. Only the proletariat has the power to get it done and it can only be done by Jewish and Palestinian proletarians working together.



>implying i dont support Palestine and am not Anti-Zionist just because i dont think a semantic argument is very useful


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>You don't even really believe that its possible but Palestinians (and others) should die en masse to take back Israel at all costs….for what reason? That it pleases you that they should attempt to do so? If the type of revolutionary war that you propose were defeated it would be a massive setback for the Palestinian national liberation movement.

>A two state solution actually is something even if it doesn't result in the complete liberation of Palestine immediately. Many leading Palestinian resistance figures and groups have supported it. It would be a step-forward if it was achieved.

>You've skipped over the most important contention of my post which is that your fantasy of a Palestine modeled on ANC South Africa but this time with roving bands of Palestinian cultural revolutionaries and gulags/deportation for recalcitrant Zionists is just that–a fantasy. It's far more likely that the Arab-Jewish working class will band together to overthrow the bourgeoisie on both sides of the barricades then it is that that will happen.

You see this is the problem with your entire argument. It's predicated on a naive belief that the majority of Israelis, including the working class, actually WANT a two-state solution. They absolutely don't. Are there probably small portions of Israeli society that do (aside from the Arabs who live there as second class citizens)? Absolutely. But in Israel, particularly recently, there has been an increasing attack on any journalist or activist who has any sympathy at all for Palestine. The liberal and "left" parties and organizations are impotent as fuck and haven't done any kind of real organizing in decades. Israel right now is a fucking fascist state, there's a reason they force the majority of the population to be in the military together .

You act like there's the evil Israeli bourgoeise who are hardline Zionist and then a big mass of radical working class Israelis who understand the necessity of working with Palestinians. It's quite the opposite. The vast majority of Israeli society at this point is either legitimately pro-Zionist or too afraid of retaliation from the State to say anything. Whenever an IDF soldier shoots a child and actually gets put on trial (which often doesn't even get that far) it's a regular phenomenon for MASSIVE rallies in support of the IDF soldier with people from all classes of Israeli society chanting racist slogans against Palestine and so on.

One really only has to look at the attitude towards the settlements and general disregard for the logical conclusion of Israeli expansion among ACTUAL ISRAELIS to see that at this point the Jewish working class and Leftist parties, even if they want to do your plan of working with the Palestinian working class jointly, won't and in a lot of ways literally can't.

You aren't looking at this realistically at all you just want a "w-why can't everyone just get along D: approach". It's objectively the case that any chance of reform in Israel (or America's relationship with Israel for that matter) ended a LONG time ago. You're doing basically the same thing Democrat Cops of America shits do when they argue socialists should work within the Dem party because "revolutions just too hard dude". They don't realize that it doesn't matter. It's either revolt despite the chance of failure or fail for certain when the Democrats kill your movement like they have a million times. It's the same thing with Palestine and it's allies and they understand that for the most part.

>Was the Easter Rising and the proclamation of the Republic of Ireland not a blow to imperialism because there was a two-state solution?

>Using Ireland as an example of how lofty daydreams of the working class of the two warring nations resolving the issue through a joint uprising

Fucking kek'd hard


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Russia keeps going back and forth between redpilled and bluepilled



you can bet the USA has already sent Israel every piece of information it has on the capabilities of the S300 and how to counter it. The USA owns an S300 system it uses for research and training, it also does training against Greek S300 systems. the number of systems Syria has wont pose a real hinderance to Israel, and Russia stands to lose a lot when they're destroyed, Like Israel has been doing to Syrian Pantsirs. AA systems cost hundreds of millions of dollars,


also, when Cyprus tried to install S300s on their Island, Turkey went and bought surface to surface missiles which could be used to destroy them. These missiles were bought from Israel. Turkish f16 pilots also trained in israel to avoid and destroy s300s.

So realistically, Israel has it on lock.


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Shalom, captain Levi!

Nice try at hasbara here!

What's the weather like in Tel Aviv today?




you're right. Israel doesn't have a military. the SAA can directly march to Eilat tomorrow and Israel couldn't stop them. Anyone who says otherwise is a shill.


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Daaaa jooooooos



>Sexual Liberation of all members of society will come out as a natural result of the loss of religious spooks and reactionary elements in society

But where do we draw the line comrade?



How do you mean though?

Well, let me guess.

No we ought not entertain the idea of letting fetishes like pedophilia and bestiality become socially acceptable.

I think healthy sexual activity can be encouraged in a decommodified world to help eek out the sicker fetishes.

But in the end it all has to be left to the give community.



> homosexuality propaganda all day

No, uncalled for displays of sexual desire in public should be strongly discouraged for everyone

>abortion is a woman's right


>and babies are a nuisance

no, babies are a massive responsibility which shouldn't happen on accident and should only be imposed on responsible and willing people. Possibly by eliminating "natural" insemination all together, forced vasectomies for all males at 13.

>in favour of "self actualization" through hobbies or careers.




You leftists don't realize for some reason Jews control everything. All the world's problems are Jewish. /pol/ is right about that much.



I'm from /pol/. If I realized that /leftypol/ hates Jews just as much as /pol/ does I would not have been so against you all this time.



Nazis KIIIIIIIND of ruined that aspect. I agree though.



>Why are people so afraid to be critical of Jews here?

Because leftists are willing slaves of The Jew. Ruled by their masters, having their strings pulled like puppets.



Tbf we aren't afraid to kill jews, OBVIOUSLY not for being jewish, but for being porkies, idpol be damned.


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The jewish question is something american globalist shills talk to distract the people over the fact that american imperialism supported by american citizens rules the world and wants to kill every culture in order to substitute with their own



This so much. To all the /pol/acks here, you think we wouldn't cheer the deaths of Soros, Rotschild, and Kissinger? These are some of the worst human beings currently alive who just so happen to be jewish. Doesn't mean anything, if they were black, asian, gay, whatever the fuck they'd get the bullet too.



Someone seems to be obsessed with Jews


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Phallocognitive politics strike again


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Sorry for the very ignorant question on my part but can anyone tell me who this guy is?



i'm pretty sure that's mahmoud ahmadinejad



I just checked and yeah it's him.




Be wary of any Anti-Israel shit Russia does. From a material standpoint it's good RIGHT NOW but keep in mind that Putin is not Lenin. Capitalists control both countries and once the USA implodes its not very far outside the realm of possibility that Russia will begin to trade and give aid to Israel in some form if they receive some sort of good deal in return.

Israel is a little leech that would be crushed by the foot of a united Middle East if it didn't get so much fucking support from the USA and Western Europe. If the capitalists on Putin's side and Putin himself decide they can get something out of being friendly with Israel they will turn like a dime

To be fair though I don't really see what that could be at this time. Russia has built up such a good relationship with Syria and Iran that idk how he could possibly get any better of a Middle Eastern position than he has right now by pivoting to Israel and/or Zionism


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Russia baffles me so much. They go from based to unbased so quickly. Only time will tell what they'll do next in the middle east I suppose.


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im absolutely opposed to the israeli state on the grounds that it is a racist, imperialist power engaged in ethnic cleansing and war-profiteering, but the people calling for the total expulsion of jews from the region are actually just retarded.

internationalism and class consciousness, not blood-and-soil and class collaboration mk?



But would the israeli state ever accept a one-state solution? I seriously doubt it, so the only way I see it happening is a wat between Israel and Palestine, which would have to be headed by secular and pragmatic palestinians so if they were to win they wouldn't straight up genocide all the jews living there.



>fucking based white Julius malema supporter in an eff hat



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Renewed attacks on BDS in two recent cases, both involving colleges and college students

First a woman was detained and has been held at an Israeli airport for a week for merely being suspected of being SYMPATHETIC to BDS despite Israel so far finding no evidence that she actually has been an active participant in the movement:


> Israel is defending its handling of the case of an American graduate student who has been detained at the country's international airport for the past week over allegations she supports a boycott against the Jewish state.

>Strategic Affairs Minister Gilad Erdan said Wednesday that Israel had the right to protect itself and decide who enters its borders despite growing international criticism.

>"We are doing whatever we believe that is right for the security of the state of Israel and that is more important than whatever The New York Times or other newspapers around the world will say about our policy," Erdan said.

>Lara Alqasem, a 22-year-old American citizen with Palestinian grandparents, landed at Ben-Gurion Airport last week with a valid student visa and was registered to study human rights at Israel's Hebrew University in Jerusalem. She was barred from entering the country and ordered deported, based on suspicions that she supports a Palestinian-led boycott movement.

>An Israeli court has ordered that she remain in custody while she appeals, although Israel says she can leave the country.

>While waiting for her appeal to be heard, Alqasem has been spending her days in a closed area with little access to a telephone, no internet and a bed that was infested with bedbugs, according to people who have spoken to her.

>The weeklong detention is the longest anyone has been held in a boycott-related case. Her case is set to be heard at a Tel Aviv court Thursday

In the second case, a professor at an American University has been reprimanded for refusing to write a letter of recommendation for a student interested in studying at Tel Aviv University, citing BDS as his inspiration:


>My colleague John Cheney-Lippold in the American Culture Department of the University of Michigan has been disciplined by the Colleges of Letters, Sciences and Arts for declining to write a recommendation letter for a student to do summer study at Tel Aviv University. He took this position because of his support for the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement in civil society, which is an attempt to pressure Israel to cease its illegal colonization of the West Bank and its illegal collective punishment of Palestinian civilians in Gaza via a Draconian blockade.

>Cheney-Lippold also went into his classroom after the social media furor broke out and found his undergraduates puzzled and confused, so opened up some time to discuss the issues. He is also being sanctioned for that.

>Since any of us who teach Middle East or social movements might have occasion to discuss BDS in the classroom, this seems to me a key First Amendment issue.

>Cheney-Lippold had a sabbatical for next winter taken away, was denied a merit pay increase, and was threatened with being fired entirely if he declined to write another such letter

And again, the Rightist Free Speech warriors are nowhere to be found kek



>internationalism and class consciousness, not blood-and-soil and class collaboration mk?

Nobody is disagreeing with you and I don't believe anyone other than the Nazis ITT have argued for a "total expulsion of Jews" but rather a one state solution with leftist and working class Palestinians having a monopoly on control in the government since all the liberal "opposition" in Israel is even more impotent than the ones in Russia and perhaps a banning on right-wing extremist parties such as Jewish Home and elements of Likkud (obviously a one party Commie state would be preferable but it's not like that's gonna happen kek)

The only mass expulsion I argued for was that of the settlements and a return of those homes to Palestinians. I also argued that a cultural revolution of sorts would be necessary to obliterate Israel's inherent fascism but made sure to point out that it can only be done by the working class and the most oppressed Palestinians led by actual Leftist orgs in Palestine and perhaps Lebanon, not Islamists or Iranian wreckers or whoever else wants a one-state solution just so they can have another Islamist theocracy in the Middle East.

Idk where you're getting the "mass expulsion of jews" nonsense from


Does anybody have any good sources on the events leading up to the 1948 war? It seems to me like it was an inevitable outcome of British policy and UN incompetence, combined with the utter refusal of any other country to accept European Jewish refugees. In other words the Nakba seems to be more the fault of the eternal Anglo than anything else, with the Jews being forced into the role of settlers and eventually oppressors. It goes without saying however that none of this excuses the current Israeli policies of apartheid.


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>In other words the Nakba seems to be more the fault of the eternal Anglo than anything else, with the Jews being forced into the role of settlers and eventually oppressors. It goes without saying however that none of this excuses the current Israeli policies of apartheid.

Not what you were asking for but this part reminded me of pic related and why America and Israel need to be crushed and start over




>[…] rules the world and wants to kill every culture in order to substitute with their own

IF only it WAS about that (than it would be a great thing)

… beacause that "culture" you refer to has NOTHING worth protecting, basically total and utter barbarism, every shitty thing worshipping the rapist warlord prophet should be burnt to ashes



Now this is something I can get behind!



People in ISIS have more genuine culture than America

t. Burger


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Because fucking goats and throwing queers off of rooftops is better than cooking out and shooting off fireworks.



Literally every country with a fireworks culture does it better than America. Kurds, Aussies, and Koreans all have better Barbecue.


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Bullshit, you've never been to Tennessee or Kentucky.


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t. sandnigger who's never been to America but thinks they know anything about American politics





I'm the first guy to criticize Islamic culture, but these people have always been considered savages by their peers. They only came to power because burger imperialism left a gaping power vacuum.


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Just a reminder, bitch in pic related helped create the Arab Spring.



go to isis, tell them your political views.





The "Arab Spring" was started in Tunisia and spread the Egypt as populist movements. The debacles in Libya and Syria where at least in part egged on by the CIA who had been planning a series of wars all around east Asia and Africa as a MIC money pit. The Arab Spring was just taken advantage of, and HRC was just a player like Cheney, and Kissinger before her.

As far as I could tell.


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Gaza Health Ministry reports 77 wounded by live fire ■ Security cabinet announced this week that it would extend military's firing range


Here we go again boys



No shart dudette


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bumping with some recent news so the thread doesn't die

Israel Has Struck in Syria Since Russia Plane Downed: Israeli Official

>Israel has carried out attacks in Syria since the accidental shooting down of a Russian surveillance plane last month, a senior Israeli official said on Monday.

>The Sept. 17 downing by Syrian anti-aircraft fire, after Israeli jets attacked a suspected Iranian arms shipment to Syria, caused a diplomatic rift between Israel and Russia, and Moscow blamed Israel for the incident.

>The official did not give details of the nature of Israel's actions since the shooting down of the IL-20 aircraft near Latakia in which the crew of 15 were killed, or the number of times it had attacked.

>"The IDF (Israeli Defence Forces) have attacked in Syria, including after the downing of the Russian plane. Military coordination with the Russians continues as before," said the senior official, who could not be named.

>Israel, which has carried out air strikes in Syria many times during the civil war, said after the incident it would work to improve "deconfliction" of its missions with Russian forces, but would not halt them.


Three boys aged 12-14 are killed on the Gaza strip

>Palestinian medics say that three teenage boys have been killed in an Israeli airstrike in the southeastern Gaza Strip.

>Ashraf al-Kidra of the Health Ministry says ambulance crews are bringing the bodies of the boys, aged 12 to 14, to a hospital from the perimeter fence dividing Gaza and Israel.

>The Israeli army said an aircraft hit three Palestinians who approached the security fence Sunday 'and were apparently involved in placing' an explosive device to it.

Palestinian medics say that three teenage boys have been killed in an Israeli airstrike in the southeastern Gaza Strip.

Ashraf al-Kidra of the Health Ministry says ambulance crews are bringing the bodies of the boys, aged 12 to 14, to a hospital from the perimeter fence dividing Gaza and Israel.


Israeli forces kill 5 Palestinians in West Bank, Gaza protests

>Israeli forces shot dead five Palestinian youths Friday, four in Gaza protests and one in the West Bank, the Palestinian Health Ministry said.

>In Gaza, the deadly escalation followed two prior weekly protests along the perimeter fence with Israel that saw no fatalities.

>The bloodshed is likely to complicate the mission of Egyptian mediators, who intensified their shuttle diplomacy to achieve calm and prevent a full-blown conflict between Gaza's Hamas rulers and Israel.

>Thousands of Palestinians gathered at five locations along the boundary, burning tires and throwing rocks, grenades and firebombs at Israeli troops who respond with tear gas and occasional live fire.

>The Israeli army said some suspects briefly crossed the fence. In a separate incident, the military said its aircrafts struck three Hamas military posts in northern Strip.

>Three of the dead were reported in Khan Younis, in southern Gaza, according to the ministry. Witnesses said that dozens of protesters approached the fence there.

>In northern Gaza, a 27-year-old man died after being shot in the head, the ministry said. It added that 170 other protesters sustained various wounds.



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Bumping again so the thread doesn't die, does nobody give a shit about discussing Israel on this board anymore?

<Netanyahu: Brutal Murder of Khashoggi by Saudis 'Horrendous,' But… 'Larger Problem Is Iran'

>The Israeli prime minister's first public comments on the killing come amid reports he urged the Trump administration to stand by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman

>As the global community continues to demand justice for murdered Washington Post columnist and Saudi Arabian dissident Jamal Khashoggi, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in his first public comments, described Khashoggi's killing at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last month as "horrendous" before immediately defending Saudi Arabia as strategically important to counter Iran.

>"What happened in the Istanbul consulate was horrendous and it should be duly dealt with. Yet at the same time I say it, it is very important for the stability of the world, for the region and for the world, that Saudi Arabia remain stable," Netanyahu told reporters after a diplomatic meeting in Varna, Bulgaria on Friday. "I think that a way must be found to achieve both goals. Because I think that the larger problem is Iran."

>Earlier on Friday, Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz, a member of the prime minister's security cabinet, had said in a radio interview that Khashoggi's murder "was a despicable action. It's worthy of all reproach. This was a civilian, a journalist, not a terrorist," but also that "Arab states, including Saudi Arabia, are our allies in recent years against the spread of Iran and against the Iranian nuclear threat." Iran maintains that it is not trying to build nuclear weapons and international watchdogs have found the nation in compliance with the 2015 nuclear deal.

>The Israelis' remarks followed a Washington Post report on Thursday that Netanyahu had privately urged the United States to maintain support for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, or MbS. According to the Post, in recent days, autocratic Egyptian President Abdel Fatah al-Sissi and Netanyahu have "reached out to the Trump administration to express support for the crown prince, arguing that he is an important strategic partner in the region."





Aight niggas, this question might trigger some peeps but fuck it. Is the US an israeli puppet or Israel an american puppet?



Why not both?



This, it's a mutualistic relationship not a parasitic one. If Israel needed to it would become friends with Russia or China and if America needed to it would cut ties with Israel with little to no problem. The two need each other right now but they could always stop depending on the way the wind blows in our global capitalist era.

That's what we need to remember. Because capitalism not "the New World Order" or anything else is the antagonist, if the ruling classes of two friendly countries decide their relationship is no longer profitable or that relationships with other Nations could be more profitable, they will choose the option which gives them higher returns, it has nothing to do with loyalty or ideology or racialism or anything else.



A new puppetception synthesis is possible, yeah I didn't think of that. It's not as catchy though.



*russia is a Capitalist state hell bent on anything that makes it money, just like the U.S., and thusly acts in ways that have no unifying thread other than this goal.

You had a typo.



Israel is a US puppet. The idea that Israel (or Saudi Arabia for that matter) controls the US is an anti-semitic conspiracy theory used by the right wing to evade responsibility and deceive otherwise class conscious workers.


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Hi Mossad



You cant deny that Israel controls American foreign policy though. Especially when it come to the middle east. Same goes for Saudi Arabia.


Apparently Al Jazeera made a new documentary on the Israel Lobby in the USA that Israel had successfully banned for a while but there's a link on the Electronic Intifada hosting it:


Thought I would share with the comrades


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<After three attempts at litigation, pro-Israel lawfare strategists have failed to silence a Palestinian American professor at San Francisco State University.

>On Monday, a federal judge in San Francisco finally dismissed a frivolous lawsuit against professor Rabab Abdulhadi and the university over her Palestine research and criticisms of Israel, which was filed as part of a years-long targeted bullying campaign intended to censor and threaten professors and students who advocate for Palestinian rights.

>Judge William Orrick III “this time dismissed the case with prejudice, meaning the lawsuit cannot be filed again,” said Palestine Legal on Tuesday.

>The lawsuit, which was initially filed in June 2017 by the Lawfare Project – and then re-filed twice more after each attempt was dismissed – accused Abdulhadi and her employer of fostering a hostile environment for Jewish students which they claimed was due to the growing support for Palestinian rights on campus.

Nice try Zionists, every small victory brings a smile to my face



Zionists btfo'd


Ethnic Jew here.

One thing that really needs to happen is separating out anti-semitism from anti-zionism. This can actually be a little tricky because 1) right wing anti-zionists are otherwise nationalists, and are really just anti-semites, and 2) right wing Israeli nationalists label anti-zionists anti-semites to shut them up.

Remember, though, most American Jews are left-leaning, and a great many are extremely critical of Netanyahu's nationalism, and his policies in the occupied territories.

Israel has an apartheid-style legal system, and its expansionism in the occupied territories is reprehensible.

Right now the two-state solution is the most rational thing to push for, but I doubt it will happen, because as Israel expands further it becomes nearly impossible. For the two state solution to work, the settlements need to be removed.

Keep in mind that Israel is one more facet of the Anglo colonial project, comparable to the United States and Australia. There's nothing particularly unique about it. Likud is just another racist, nationalist right wing party, which is why Netanyahu is now buddies with other right wing racist nationalists who happen to occasionally be anti-semitic, like Viktor Orban. They share the same ideology.

What should really happen, is that the Palestinians should be integrated into Israel on completely equal terms. That won't happen for at least a generation, both because of how powerful Likud is, and because of insecurity over Hamas-linked missiles. In order for Palestinians and Israelis to mix, religiosity on both sides has to decline, and so does racism. I do think that's possible and even probable in a couple generations, but for now the focus should be on minimizing the brutality perpetrated by the Israeli military.



I should also add,

Keep in mind that many of the most visible and active anti-zionists have been Jewish, including Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, and Glenn Greenwald, among others. Further, Israel's rising progressive party, Meretz, is actively seeking peace and civil rights - right now they're basically rising from a fringe green party to the major progressive political group in Israel.




>One state solution under Israel banner

>making this thread about how making sure anti-zionism isn't equated with anti-semitism is more important than destroying Israel as a nation and giving land back to Palestinians

Get out liberal zionist faggot Meretz are literally a sham party as well, even weaker and less succesful in challenging Likkud than even the Democrats are at challenging the Republicans serioulsy eat a dick and fuck off back to whatever hasbara supported subreddit you hail from



You're literally retarded. Your retarded rage isn't even worth trying to respond to.



>Isn't even worth responding to



Anyway nobody cares that you're a petite-bourgeosie American jew who got "woke" on Israel and now wants to have it both ways because doing the right thing makes you uncomfortable. Now fuck off out of the thread



>Keep in mind that many of the most visible and active anti-zionists have been Jewish

Yeah dude it definitely isn't the 100s of thousands if not millions of Palestinians who have been murdered since Israel's foundation for presenting the resistance no matter how large or small it's Western liberal intellectuals such as yourself :)



Have been jewish? So they're no longer jewish?



I didn't say it was Jews instead of Palestinians. I said it was them in addition.


You fuck off out of the thread. I guarantee I've been more involved in this than you have. Fucking kill yourself, reactionary piece of shit.



That's not what I was saying. I'm saying that the critics of Israel's policies in the West Bank and Gaza have included Jews for a long time. Maybe it was grammatically incorrect for me to put it in past tense.



Yeah dude you are more involved than I am since you're a Hasbara troll trying to redirect genuine anti-Zionist sentiment into shit that is just as unrealistic as a two state solution and about twice as unfair.


>>2654792 and go back to trying to convert r/Socialism faggots to your liberal imperialism.



You're mentally incapable of actually engaging any of the points I made. Go away.



Your point amounted to "It's more important not to hurt my feelings and the feelings of other upper class Western jews and that we should support liberal jews who cave to Netanyahu 24/7 to completely destroy Palestine instead of supporting actual Socialist groups within Palestinian territory also it's way more important and worthy of the time it takes to preface every single statement regarding israel so that people know you aren't being anti-semitic even though if you are a genuine Left-Wing anti-zionist you should be able to do so in a way that anyone who isn't a zionist couldn't be confused unless they intentionally distort your words"

Fuck off



So what you are trying to say is that most antizionism ends up being antisemitism? What would be the best way to avoid this then, in your opinion?



He's saying it's more important for Leftists to censor themselves and waste time making unnecessary diatribes against antisemtimism to preemptively dissaude anyone from ever doing anythin antisemitic ever and also so as not to offend Western Jewish and Israeli sensibilities because their feelings and solidarity is more important in the fight against Zionism than Palestinians.

Basically, it's not on supposed "Anti-Zionist" bourgeoise jews to grow a thicker foreskin and simply combat Rightist anti-zionism (which is truly often just antisemitism parading as anti-zionism) with true Anti-Zionism (which is necessarily a Leftist position) it's on literally everyone else on the Left to tip toe around college Jews 24/7 because saying something that could even be construed as "politically incorrect" is enough to lose their support in the Anti-Zionist struggle and as well all know without the support of Israel we can't beat israel




You fuck off, you're a moron.


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>Israel’s right-wing government has become Mr. Trump’s prime validator in the anguished days since the massacre in Pittsburgh — reflecting its loyalty to a president who has backed its interests but also deepening a rift with American Jews, many of whom hold Mr. Trump at least partly responsible for the rise in anti-Jewish vitriol over the last two years.

>“Factually, the guy has been a huge friend to the Jewish state,” said Mr. Bennett, who serves as Israel’s minister for diaspora affairs, at the Council on Foreign Relations on Wednesday.

>The slaughter in Pittsburgh had already laid bare fissures between Israel and American Jews after Israel’s Ashkenazi chief rabbi refused to refer to the Tree of Life as a synagogue because it is Conservative, a non-Orthodox branch of Judaism not recognized by the religious authorities in Israel.

>But the discord over a presidential visit — a time-honored ritual in the aftermath of such a tragedy — underscores how wide the gulf has become, at a time when the White House and the Israeli government are in lock step on every major issue, yet as a majority of American Jews voted against the president.

>Mr. Dermer, a one-time aide to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, played such a visible role in Pittsburgh largely because state and local officials shunned Mr. Trump. Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser who is close to Mr. Dermer, had invited him to attend, according to a person briefed on the matter.

>The Liberal Imperialist Shitter ITT will defend this



>Right now the two-state solution is the most rational thing to push for,

All of Palestinian territories are geographical bubbles, how the fuck do those borders work?



It really seems to me as if you're just a closeted zionist parading around as "muh antizionist jew" so you should fuck off. Socialists shouldn't give a fuck if by being antizionists some asshurt turbo-sensiive jews end up crying about "muh antisemitism".


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>In February 2017, Israeli Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked expressed concern about "decreasing support for Israel in the Democratic party", telling her Jewish American audience that the problem was "a strategic issue" for Israel.

>"I couldn't sleep after I saw a poll two weeks ago", she added.

>A new US poll on the same topic will not help Shaked rest easy. The results indicate that key trends identified in recent years show no signs of slowing; Israel's reputation is deteriorating among demographics such as Democrats, younger voters, African Americans and Hispanic Americans.

>The fact that the US public's view towards Israel remains positive overall masks an increasingly partisan divide; the Economist/YouGov poll found that only 25 percent of Democrat-voters consider Israel an "ally" of the US, compared with 57 percent of Republicans.

>As Israeli newspaper Haaretz observed, the poll "shows that support for Israel is directly co-related to gender, age, economic status and political outlook. It is strongest among older, well-to-do, conservative white men and weakest among young, liberal, minorities and women".


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If anyone is interested, I can answer you questions about the society here in large. Don't really know what's the dynamic like on the frontier or and likely won't be able to tell you any specifics. I'm not Jewish by the way.


>What made you turn to socialism

Reading. Not much to do with the conflict or the politics here.

>what do you think of Israel

It's a mediocre country. It's not a bad place to live in overall, a place worth to visit, but I'd prefer to live somewhere else (which I plan to, eventually).

>and palestinians?

Don't know much about them, decent fellows from my interactions with them at work and elsewhere. I'm of course talking about Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, which are called "Israeli Arabs" - I am not quite sure if it's a colloquial term that caught on because it's a useful differentiation between Palestinians in the West Bank and Palestinians in Israel, or if it's a "politically correct" term that was pushed to wipe Palestinian identity - I have no idea about those living in the West Bank.

As for the political situation, it's fucked. One-state solution (i.e. a civic post-Zionist state), two-state solution, no-state solution, I don't care, either Palestinians are getting their autonomy and rights or either this shit will blow up. And frankly, I think it's going to blow up since Bibi et al have expansion on the agenda.

Pic related, it should be mandatory reading for everyone on this board.




zionism is anti-semitism, change my mind




>zionism is anti-semitism, change my mind

I'm not sure where to start here tbh




The S-400 is already out. Those are old systems. The S-400 is called the Triumf :^)


How do you niggas feel about Ryan Dawson? He seems to know his shit when it comes to Israel-Palestine and US/Israeli/Gulf imperialism in the MENA in general but I really cringe when he starts talking about economics since he seems like he is some kind of lolbert.



One of the saddest things about Western politics is the fact that lolberts are pretty great on opposing imperialism (moreso than many supposed Leftists) but such shit when it comes to the economy and somehow think the two are seperate despite being so red pilled on the former

I used to actually read the American Conservative a lot despite thinking all the Right wing idpol was pants on the head retarded because its foreign policy coverage was better than 90 percent of liberal media


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It appears Israel is beginning to pivot towards the Arab ruling class even more to strengthen itself and America against Iran. The unification of Israel and the OPEC Arab nations into a broad front against Iran has been a longstanding goal of US foreign policy in the region. Also interesting how this is coming on the heals of acceleration of tensions between the USA and Iran and renewed tensions between Israel and Russia.

From the article:

>Although Israel and the Arab Gulf states have long had clandestine diplomatic ties, recent public gestures of normalization have taken the relationship to a new level. Hours before Ms. Regev arrived in Abu Dhabi, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu returned from a historic visit to Oman, where he met with Sultan Sayyid Qaboos bin Said al Said

>Mr. Netanyahu, in his address to the General Assembly, said that Israel and the Arab world are “closer together than ever before, in an intimacy and friendship that I’ve not seen in my lifetime and would have been unimaginable a few years ago.”

>Weeks later, the Emirati ambassador to Washington, Yousef al-Otaiba, shared a table with his Israeli counterpart, Ron Dermer, at a public pro-Israel event. And following Mr. Netanyahu’s visit to Oman, it emerged that Transport Minister Yisrael Katz had been invited by the sultanate to participate in the upcoming World Congress of the International Road Transport Union to discuss plans for a railway linking Israel to the Persian Gulf.

>The growing alliance between Israel and the Sunni Arab world is driven in part by economics. Israel’s entrepreneurship benefits all nations in the region. But an even more pressing concern is the common threat from Iran. Tehran’s hegemonic ambitions are being felt from the battlefields of Syria to the Gulf of Aden. In May, Bahrain went so far as to back Israel’s right to defend itself against Iranian aggression.

Israel is approaching a deal with Hamas and appears to be easing up a bit on Gaza

>Unusual photographs from the Gaza Strip have been surfacing on social media in recent days. Palestinian residents report, to their surprise, about a change in daily living brought on by an increase in the supply of electricity to as much as 12 to 16 hours a day.

>It’s the longest daily power supply for Gazans since 2014’s Operation Protective Edge, and more than double the daily average for the past year, ever since the Palestinian Authority imposed sanctions against Hamas.

>The change was achieved thanks to a steady supply of fuel to Gaza paid for by Qatar. The supply had been delayed a few times by negotiating difficulties and Israeli responses to the violent protests along the border fence. The relative calm along that border in the past week permits fuel trucks to enter Gaza on a daily basis through Kerem Shalom.

>The security cabinet debated the situation in Gaza on Sunday. Headlines from that discussion went to the routine disputes among Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman and some of his colleagues. Education Minister Naftali Bennett has initiated another attack on Lieberman, accusing him of being weak against terrorism and demanding he step down. But Bennett, for reasons of political expediency, ignores the real process taking place, which was reinforced by the security cabinet: Israel, under a clear policy led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, is seeking long-term compromise with Hamas. It intends to allow further steps by Qatar and Egypt to transfer large sums of money to Gaza to pay civil servants’ wages. The person responsible for this is Netanyahu, not Lieberman, who has already voiced his objections to it (yet still remains at his job).

>The indirect talks between the sides continue apace through all channels, with the in-depth involvement of United Nations Secretary General’s envoy Nikolay Mladenov. In Israel, the head of the National Security Council, Meir Ben-Shabbat, holds the “Gaza portfolio” on the prime minister’s behalf, and is leading the search for a deal, to Lieberman and Bennett’s chagrin (and irrespective of the political infighting between them).

>Hamas sources said the sides are close to an agreement. The risk, as in the past, is that a local incident could overshadow the efforts toward a deal and renew the cycle of bloodshed, despite the signs of a desire on the part of Israel and Hamas to achieve a long-term ceasefire.



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>Support for Israel in Congress and the White House had been one of the rare bipartisan exceptions until Netanyahu went all-in with an increasingly extremist version of the Republican Party. Now he owns the predictable result, which is that Israel is a partisan issue here and is bound to become ever more of one.

>Then came the midterm elections. They did not result in the "blue wave" of a Democratic restoration that some polls have suggested and people like me had hoped. Thanks to Trump’s genius for demagoguery – specifically portraying a ragtag band of 3,500 Honduran migrants bound by foot for the U.S. border into a putative invasion – he motivated his bigoted base to turn out in droves.

>Those losses, though, were only part of the story of the midterms. The Democrats captured at least 26 seats in the House of Representatives, giving them the majority in that chamber. They knocked out Republicans in hidebound conservative sections of Virginia and Oklahoma, as well as moderate suburbs along coasts.

>Looking ahead, I do expect there to be a lot of convenient catastrophizing from Jerusalem about the election of two Muslim-American Democrats to the House, Rashida Tlaib from Michigan and Ihlan Omar from Minnesota. But the predictable attacks and insinuations against them will be just convenient diversions from the dilemma of Netanyahu’s making.

>In tethering Israel to just one political party and one ideology in an America that is profoundly split between two, the prime minister has evidently never allowed for the turn of events indicated by the midterms: the realistic prospect that the political majority will swing back to Democrats and that the evangelical right will be outvoted by a burgeoning movement of multicultural progressives, including the vast majority of American Jews.




Genetic changes stemming from the trauma suffered by Holocaust survivors are capable of being passed on to their children, the clearest sign yet that one person’s life experience can affect subsequent generations.


Basically the Jews will feel the Holocaust forever and therefore will be justified in perpetually having a religious ethnostate where they can oppress minorities in the name of security?



It saddens me how Lolberts and Fascists will tell you how much literally everything in existence about Imperialism but when you tell them the root problem of it they will throw you out of a helicopter.


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Reminds me that everyone ITT should read The Holocaust Industry by Finkelstein, it's a great dissection of how Bourgeoise Jews continue to use the Holocaust on the one hand to extract endless reparations from Germany regardless of how many degrees they are separated from the event and also how it is used to justify anything bad Israel does or deflect any criticism of it at all

Also let's all review the classic video of based Finkelstein crushing Zionists who try to use the Holocaust non-sequiter when debating with him


Also Fink blowing the FUCK out of Alan Dershowitz, who go so fucking butthurt after this interview he started a campaign to get Fink fired from the University he was working at (which if a Palestinian or Gentile professor did to a Jewish Zionist professor would get them labelled an antisemite a Nazi etc)


Also Zizek has a really good bit about Israel using the Holocaust to justify its crimes and how if you are truly disgusted by the Holocaust and the Nazis you ought to be the most Anti-Zionist person rather than supportive of Israel and how Israel ends up being the most vulgar Holocaust deniers by constantly using the Holocaust to justify their own genocide (even literally)


One good thing about the Zionists, neocons, and otherwise bourgeoise Jews constantly invoking the Holocaust over and over for the last 50-60 years is that it appears Millenials and Zoomers have finally stopped feeling shamed to be Anti-Zionist by invocations of the Final Solution. Yes that has led to a resurgence in neofascism but I think then net effect has been a Leftist Anti-Zionism (AKA true Anti-ZIonism) coming back from the brink of destruction. It's similar to conservatives in America calling everything to the Left of the Tea Party communism, it's completely taken the stigma away from the term


The majority of lolberts who participated in the "movement" at its peak from like 2008-2012 either became fascists or socialists later on mostly because of the failure of what was essentially the neoliberal economics of Lolbertarianism continuing to show its face as not only unable to resolve the imperialism but in fact one with it. Unfortunately for those who became Fascists they now have to cope with the fact that Fascism is just the rough draft of neoliberalism and not only will the Fascism of the 20th Century never make an true return to power, even if it did it would still function as a ruling class-failsafe. It's why /pol/'s been increasingly schizophrenic since Trump took power and ended up just being Bush 2.0



Finkelstein is easily one of the most based jews, right up there with Jesus.



it's unfortunate that as critical as he is of Israel he still basically supports a two state solution although I don't know if he's changed his tune since Trump took office



>I disagree with changing the borders, they were already established,

Except when israel re-establishes them with camps.


Without the Holocaust, the Zionist movement would have failed or taken a lot longer. I find it ironic how the /pol/ hates Israel so much, yet they're partially responsible for it.


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The holocaust never happened. Jewish-owned media lied to you for the justification of the creation of the state of Israel.

~270k Jews died, the majority were from Typhus.



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>the holocaust didnt happen but it should have!

every time


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Ya the eastern front didn't happen either


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British soldiers used Irish children as human shields




here's a youtube mirror.

Amazing, really. The level of psyop warfare is fucking insane.

I wonder what will happen if this goes somewhat viral. Also what will happen with the reporter. I'm very impressed, excellent journalism.



>Israel's ties to greater American imperialism

you have a long way to go



You are the perfect useful idiot prole for capitalist interests.


occasional reminder to never reply to schizoposters


Nuke Israel tbh



You type like you're legitimately mentally ill


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It's still afraid 2: Electric Tranny BO throwing up on a Jewish cock boogaloo!

Also, Allah is simply another Spirit…but that doesn't make him any less real. Read: Ishmael AKA Ishtar. Prophets and Sons burn bright under the pure light of Luna until Sun and Moon are one.




Epick memes bro




>weak, flailing "punches"

I love me some historical accuracy.



>weak flailing blonde bimbo about to provoke alunya into ripping her head off




>muh america saves the day

The Soviets got help, sure, but they still produced more than enough on their own to push back and defeat the half-defrosted Germans.

>Simo and a few loyal Laplanders made Russia their bitch with a few modified Mosin-Nagants no less.

And Russia still got what they wanted and then some. But sure, le ebic k/d/ ratio xD



Hey speaking of



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>raping Germans

Sorry goy, you're not going to push my buttons with that one. Russians were sold as sex slaves to Tatars, Ottomans, and various Khanates since before they were even Muscovites. Rightists and Leftists do the Chosen's bidding and welcome the opportunity, now try and keep up. We are in current year and exterminating all White Gentiles that might have any rebellious feelings. The rest are shabbos goys and the majority are dumb subhumans with ugly shitskin. It's taken 500 years, but we own The World and the lot of you are grateful for the opportunity to lick our boots for some shekels. Know your place and you can have your "pretty lies" and illusions of a communist paradise someday. That picture tells the truth because Porky in his leisure suit is actually a Jew and commiekitty represents The Far-Left. That is why we are the Masters and you are the Grunt.



I find that tranny to be a more accurate representation of how you suck the phallus of neoliberalism.


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Is he /ourguy/ or just a Muslim conservative telling it like it is?



He did nothing wrong



He's probably a kike shill under /pol/ parameters


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Both tbh.

<What is your stance, as a party of political Islam, towards leftist and Marxist movements?

>It is true, we have an Islamic ideology but I think this means nothing because we don't build our alliances and divisions with others upon ideological standards.

>We feel that some of the Marxist parties are closer to us than some of the Islamist ones, I feel that we are in the same ‘trench’, and I'd say we have much of a common political approach. The main question from our specific point of view is who is against imperialism and who is with imperialism. We think this is the main criterion of the political divisions.





actually /pol/ venerates him as one of the excuses for arabs to te okay people


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anti-zionism is anti-semitism tbh




Zionism is just white colonialism hiding behind social justice politics.


im jew


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End US military, diplomatic, and financial support for Israel, and they will have to end the occupation and accept the 1967 borders.



I'd rather Israel didn't exist, but this is a somewhat good start.



People will rightfully dismiss this guy but he unironically has a point, the idea that Zionism isn't a mainstream Jewish idea is pretty strange to me. Beyond the obvious fact that the vast majority of the world's Jews support Zionism, there are clear antecedents in Jewish scripture (God literally tells the Hebrews to cleanse the land of Canaanites and take it for themselves). So being against Zionism does basically mean you're calling most Jews bad people. Obviously this in no way justifies Zionism if you aren't a spooked Jew though.



That's debatable



>thats debatable

oh yeah, they might start a false flag and pretend to be the victim again



>So being against Zionism does basically mean you're calling most Jews bad people.

God also decimated the Jewish kingdoms twice. Zionism is nothing more than a western corruption of biblical tradition. It has no place in the future and will be exterminated.




Indeed no leftist is arguing for a "mass expulsion of jews", but there are left-wing pro-Palestinian activists such as Omar Barghouti who argue that only the Palestinians have "inalienable rights" to inhabit the territory whereas Israelis should only have "acquired rights" because they are a colonizing force. This kind of argument reeks a lot of ethnic nationalism IMO and is dangerously similar to the right-wing argument about how "Jews have been in Israel longer" used to justify the current situation. No discrimination based on ethnicity should be made whatsoever. The Israeli proles of nowadays can't help that their forefathers decided to illegally settle in the land of Palestinians.


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Not exactly related to the topic of the thread but

Do any of you gents have something to debunk this? If so, please share.



just go to youtube, theres plenty of that crap circlejerk videos there


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>theres plenty of that crap circlejerk videos there

What did you mean by this?



that the last place on leftypol youd find those types of jewish videos is an anti-zionist thread.

and that whatever holocaust back and forth has already been covered a hundred times by both sides



I see. Thanks.



You know dam well this would never happen.

Aljazeera exposed AIPAC for laundering millions of dollars towards politicians to keep that support while threatening opposition to fund their opponents.

They circumvent laws by rhaving parties of up to a 100+ people who each pay the politician 2k so its not recorded.

I believe the 2nd part goes into the who, whats and where. Not sure if they are still up anymore.



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Even more irrelevant than the PFLP who is already death bound

The PLO has been a De-Facto puppet of Israel since they sided with occupier against another Party fighting for palistinean freedom (Hamas)

(And no ASIO I'm not a fucking Muslim)



Any state with a massive welfare system is capitalist, because there is no welfare state under socialism. Have you heard of Soviet welfare? Cuban welfare? Mao Chinese welfare? It doesn't exist because it doesn't make sense under socialism. A welfare state is a bandaid to capitalism, whereas socialism is stepping outside of the capitalist system. Your confusion might arise from the fact that social democrats like Sanders support a large welfare state. Actual socialists would prefer a new system altogether.


How do I convince normies that Hamas' ideology doesn't matter since they are fighting an objectively progressive struggle?



you don't

talk about more fundamental questions before you get there



Such as? When debating the conflict it's always poor Israelis defending themselves against evil islamist terrorists.




PFLP and PLO are irrelevan by today but HAMAS is a muslim brotherhood proxy run from egypt and turkey.

the hardcore muslim brotherhood people from HAMAS went to fight with turk backed units in syria, which also goes back to their conflict with PFLP




They're not progressive, they're a powerful branch of the Muslim Brotherhood: the sam MB that fought Nasser, is spreading its tentacles over Libya, supports Turkish-FSA forces in Syria, and promotes radical islamism across the West.

Fuck me Cliffite thought was a fucking mistake.


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They have backtracked on their support for the war against Syria and now deny ever doing it.

This doesn't change the fact that they are the largest Palestinian force fighting against the Zionist occupation.


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Some new toys for the resistance (screenshots poached of /sg/ in 4pol). ATGM's were what forced Israel to beg for a ceasefire in the last conflict.





Anybody here have a good book on zionism and anti-zionism?



not unless you read arabic.

noone in the west has the balls to write something like that because hed get labeled an antisemite or nazi




I read arabic, hit me up akhi.

Tho I'd recommend Ilan Pappe for anglophones. I read him when I was a teenager so idk if his analysis of things is great but I learned a great deal of the fucked up shit that Israel has done from his book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine


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the soviets had a firm anti-zionist stance after the doctors plot, even wikipedia is citing alot of thouse sources


while in america (pic related) it was an issue taken with pretended ignorance.

in arabic you have texts by baathist authors, texts by palestinian (Arafat type) authors and by islamic authors (like muslim brotherhood).

but arafat is really inconsistent because he was shifting sides all the time pretending to be the savior of palestinians while clinging to power



The Soviets actually had a firm anti-Zionist stance as early as Lenin, who had a firm prostitution against it and other ethnically/nationally based party platforms




Can somebody spoonfeed me like a marxist child as to why we support palestine? any good links that really spell it out?

I know it's US imperialism etc, and I have an alright understanding of Marxism as a whole. It's just a really big international political blind spot for me. I usually jsut do the usual 'free Palestine' stuff without actually understanding it. Would love a spoonfeeding



>Lenin, who had a firm prostitution against it



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fug, meant position.

>inb4 autocorrect is bourgeoisie imperialist decadence



basically because its imperialist world powers against a local resistance that had leftist and revolutionary support from the start of the conflict.

also because israel is cartoonishly dominant in US politics,

while PLO had revolutionary/marxist rethoric since the 50s



> Can somebody spoonfeed me like a marxist child as to why we support palestine? any good links that really spell it out?

You will have to read a book: The Soviet Union and Terrorism, by Roberta Goren. The tl;dr is that the USSR threw their support behind the Palestinians after the CIA dropped them so every trend-seeking leftist followed along mindlessly, starting with the Rockefellers and the New York Times.

The granddaddy of the Palestinians were first set up by the British occupation to weaken the Jews. They grabbed the biggest asshole that they could find, who had already started a race riot, and put him in charge of the Muslim community. He helped launch the Muslim Brotherhood and he had his people assassinate Arab village leaders who refused to go along with him. There is a decent writeup here of the early Palestinian movement. http://www.hirhome.com/israel/pal_mov.htm

For a very biased pro-Israel take on the British occupational period, read The Rape of Palestine by William Ziff.

The Muslim jihad movements had been clients of German intelligence during WWI and were again during WWII. The CIA took over the German intelligence network and trained the fedayeen to attack Israel. Johnson cut them off so they went Soviet. For the CIA's history of the mid-century period, read The Secret War Against the Jews by John Loftus.

More recently there has been a huge PR effort to pretend that the Palestinians are a peace partner and to pressure Israel to make concessions so that Clinton, Shrub, or Obama could get into the history books for having made peace in the Middle East. You would be surprised how many "leftist" groups are PR agencies or intelligence agencies.




Imagine being this idpozzed.


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Hold up we have Barbecue?

t.Kürd in Burgerland



>muh israelis dindu nuffin


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