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This time with a French OP. Can we get a cycling thread for as long as the crisis is ongoing?

Also as a Frenchman, I can probably answer any questions you guys might have.



Still the best gauge we've got for how much left and right presence there is.





>flawed and unreliable data is better than no data

No, actually it is not.


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Do the GJ have meetings to begin with?



The moment when all the globohomos came out and started attacking "Fascists" is when Micron made his offer.

This will turn into a smaller left wing protest and Microns popularity will start to rise. Sad shit but i guess that's why they wanted to keep trade unions out at the beginning (not saying trade unions are bad btw)



>data with 8% MOE is worthless even when the most conservative reading of it still puts the left in majority and right as fringe

Big brain.


That doesn't have much to do with what you wrote.



GJ climate protest was 100% Organised.


I thought it was via viral facebook groups and accounts?


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I bet this doesn't either, top lol.


>>2752164 Meant to reply to >>2752162


>implying both goals are contradictory


Glasgow…George Square… Saturday…. who is coming?


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I don't know why socialists are so against kicking these savage mudshits out. They aren't an oppressed proletariat.

Bet he was DGSE.



i am happy to kick out savage mudshits such as yourself



Yeah ofc you are, i would go out and try to tear down the state. You would come along and attack me for it and Macron would give you a pat on the head.

repeat OWS x1000


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>dancing guy at the end



Not to worry. All reactionaries will be kicked out, including extremist Muslims and the European far-right



hey uh buddy, how ya gonna kick out the mudhshits once you've "torn down the state" and where will you be kicking them out of if there is no state?




>Attacking the protesters because of their views

>we aren't going down the progressive stack route

How about you actually engage in dialectics instead of killing every god dam popular movement because of hurty feelings.


Oh that's right dialectics is for communists, we are angry liberals! Yeah get that peasant back to work!



Except I never "attacked the movement", lol. I just 'attacked' that poster. I wish the yellow vests all the best



>creating division in the GJ movement

Macron is probably thanking you right now



Can someone explain to me why these fucking gorms are allowed to post here?


Nobody mentioned progressive stack asshole and answer my question, if you are tearing down the state what apparatus are you gonna use to "kick out mudshits" and where are you kicking them to, and lololol "we can't kick out reactionaries because of their views but we can kick out "mudshits" listen pal in the beginning it would have been a bad idea but now its normies and lefties, the useful idiot status of the right has been used up.

Now, were the protests to spread to other countries, they should incorporate reaction just for bodies on the streets, but once it has reached critical mass they too can be antifad right to fuck

The division creation comes from retarded reactionary views which have ALWAYS propped up and created the likes of Macron



been posting here since day you can fuck off n all



>Bash reactionaries!

>Haha we sure showed them

>Ohno a terror attack why are the reactionaries supporting the state >:(

>HAHA It's their fault! They are causing divisions!

This is how it ends. Well fucking played Macaroni.



Also, OWS being a mass movement that was co-opted by the middle class intelectuals is a complete nonsense. They are the ones that started the damn thing.. The reason OWS language was so weird was because a bunch of tards got together, planed OWS and made a conscious decision they'd avoid using explicitly leftist language because burgers.



>organic anger of the masses

>allowing the far right to have influence there in the heart of it

fuck off liberal next you'll be saying we should debate them



im not complaining about mudshits? Im complaining about the guy complaining about mudshits


and for the record, people should be allowed to complain like this, this is how it used to be, we used to roast them, and then convert them. Since BO made us reddit 2.0 the whole board lost a whole part of its function



If you want to complain about 'mudshits' and whatnot then why not just fuck off to /pol/? Literally what purpose does posting here serve?



No, it ends by you faggots capitalizing on a terror attack to derail the movement from focusing on costs of living and system critique of neoliberalism into the 157th discussion about immigration. You seize any opportunity to lick boots



>implying /leftypol/ is antifa

>Ohno a terror attack why are the reactionaries supporting the state >:(

The far right already capitulated even before the terror attack.




dunno why you double posted but see




i am literally antifa lmao



I hope you are an European.



This. But also Burgers, please stop co-opting antifa.


K. My apologies.


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>being antifa





it is one of the several areas of the left i organise

>being a fucking keyboard warrior and still thinking you should have an opinion on anything



Because they wanted lower taxes on fuel. Not action against climate change. This terror attack is another wedge. It fucking pisses me off, i want dialectics between "reactionaries" and "revolutionaries" because they both see the same fucking problem in a different way.

Neo Liberalism is going to kill us all of we don't get our shit together.



> they both see the same fucking problem in a different way.




and facsits are racist neoliberals so therefore should be beaten



You don't know the situation of the Left in my country you fucking bitch.


There can't be any dialectics if the "reactionaries" pull out coz of Macron's shit concessions.


FUCK Antifa lmao, punching nazis is evil and bad unless it's one of the 35 stalinists we have in the west doing it, then it's based and redpilled.



Tell me immigration isn't the natural consequence of Neo liberalisms need for constant unchecked growth.


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In my head all burger antifa basically are this.



I unironically advocate for a burger genocide.



>excuses excuses but still bitches about those that actually organise



you realise this attitude is why Stalinism mobilises basically nobody ever in any major economy. You are all autistic and sectarian as fuck, the same goes for anarchists but still, sectarianism is a cancer, you are all completely retarded and spend 75% of your time on leftbook calling the other one retarded meanwhile the working class sides with the far right or socdems. Well done, truly



>posts a picture about autists

>himself too autistic to see what is clearly a joke



I'm not going to say that, because you're right. But for reactionaries the problem ends at immigration. If Le Pen somehow won tomorrow, closed the borders and left taxes/welfare as they are now, the reactionaries would be 100% content and silently accept the rapid worsening of living conditions for native workers that would follow. There can be no "dialectics" between pure identity politics and fighting for one's livelihood.



Secterian in the anarchist context isn't a cancer, wtf. Many of us simply believe very different things. Why is this a problem?


My stance is that we ban them from the internet, if that fails genocide is good.


Based ANTIFA keep punching working class reactionaries that protest against the corporate machine raping everyone to death.



>You are all autistic and sectarian as fuck

The fact that you didn't recognize my sarcasm makes me think you may be the autistic one.



can''t move my face after that cringe



i spend too much to time listening to various leftist groups bitch about each other. I'm involved with Stalinists/Leninists autonomist and anarchist and broad front stuff and half of what they do is moan about each other



Well thats the role of socialist revolutionaries to explain why it's not just immigrants it is the entire fucking system that will just shove their faces into the mud. Not to run around punching them like some childish autist doing the states job for free. Literally worse than half chans jannys.


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>still bitches about those that actually organise

Critiquing not bitching. Quit being a snowflake



He is saying that he views them as the joke he is posting you autist



>Not to run around punching them

Is this really happening though? Are yellow vests clashing with eachother during these protests?



>guys the black hundreds/white guards/freikorps/kuomintang are also against status quo they just don't see the whole picture. we should try to dialectize with them instead of shooting them, that helps nobody



They aren't in friekorps uniforms or larping as the Thule society are they. A revolution without direction will fail and they will fall back on the state who is giving them direction and concessions.

Can't you see it? is this how it is going to be for another century? Maybe i am expecting too much and should just be happy with what was accomplished. >>2752242



Sadly, yes.


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30% of small businesses will disappear if the movement continues, says CPME (Confederation of Small and Medium Enterprises)





>Company executives

Top propaganda. I hope a SME drives his tractor through the bank that financed this article.


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Unions are state assets in all western countries tbh, just another facet of fascism. Class collaboration and state ownership of unions for the benefit of capital is literally Nazi shit yet no one cares.



Find better anarchists.


Pretty autistic joke tho mate.


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>Unions are so cucked in France lmao

It's the CFDT, who are known to be cuckolds, they showed it during the 2016 anti-labor laws protests. (pic translation : when the PS will bring back slavery, the CFDT will negotiate the weight of chains).


>two autistic black flags in one thread at the same time

I can see this thread is going to be a joy for the foreseeable future.



At least we actually get out on the street. Which is more than can be said for most of you assholes, i'm sure.


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>when the PS will bring back slavery, the CFDT will negotiate the weight of chains

Really hope CFG doesn't cuck themselves and repeat 68 again.




>being antifa

and nothing else is not critique


in the UK? Show me who are where, there literally are not any, i have tried



idk where you live but i'm in the SW and was very involved in our at the tine very active scene for a long time. Kind of dead now (Gentrification and anti-squatter laws played a big part of this.) But still has somewhat of a scene, london has a strong scene too, but currently lots of idpol. Tried Brighton?



what was achieved during your time in those "scenes" i am not interested in "scenes" but actually movements



A few things. Not gonna lie though, defeat after defeat against austerity politics did make me very disillusioned. Not wanting to be part of a scene but also wanting to be productive in the anarchist space seems pretty at odds to me, but you do you, i guess.



what things? The trouble is i am extremely happy to be productive and do things, i do in many groups, the scensters are the ones dragging it down either 1) showing up, saying they will do things then not doing them 2) just straight not showing up 3) never wanting to actually do work but wanting to have an opinion on the work done, loudly 4) not actually interested in getting their hands dirty and preferring to organise scene stuff for the scene rather than engaging with a broader spectrum of people. 5) scene aesthetics and a total lack of self awareness as to how they come across etc etc etc


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Oh no now I can't be a big time slaver.



Well, we did a lot of shit. It's hard for me to tell you things if i have no idea what you're into. Can't really be bothered to recall and list all the different things with no idea of the things that would even interest you. Workers stuff? Anti Austerity organizing? No borders stuff? green stuff?

>r 1) showing up, saying they will do things then not doing them

>2) just straight not showing up

>3) never wanting to actually do work but wanting to have an opinion on the work done, loudly

This is true and will always be true regardless of 'scenesters', sad to say. There are always 10 talkers to 1 doer. The only way to deal with this to be aggressive in who you work with.

> 5) scene aesthetics and a total lack of self awareness as to how they come across etc etc etc

Look, i was never a punk or whatever, either. but this just isn't a good reason not to be involved for me. Yes, all of the above does suck but it's just pragmatic to except them and get involved anyway.


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Also, another GJ protester was killed today. So, whenever someone brings up Strasbourg and terrorism on twitter, GJ people reply by saying that more GJ have been killed so far.




How many GJ have been killed? I remember a few passers buy and a business owner lol died. Didn't see any GJ's dead though.



but these are things specific to anarachist organising. On the other hand you have the Stalinists, who complain about trots yet still refuse to do anything at all but hold stalls and sell papers just like trots do

i am into… communism green fully automated communism. I don't think revolution will come from use of state power but at the same time i don't think we should entierly forgo parliamentary struggle



aesthetics is very important in the meme age, and people not working is a good reason not to get involved because you end up wasting a lot of time



6 according to article.

>On 17 November a demonstrator was run over by a motorist at a roadblock in the French Alps;

>On 19 November a motorcyclist was hit by a van that swerved to avoid protesters, dying of his injuries the next day;

>On the night of 1-2 December a motorist was killed after colliding with a lorry in a tailback caused by a blockade in Arles;

>On 1 December an 80-year-old woman was injured by a police teargas grenade and died the next day;

>On 10 December a 25-year-old driver died in a collision with a lorry.



It's definitely not specific to anarchists. Look at the SWP and all there activist front groups, lol. Activists and radicals everywhere have this problem.


Maybe you're right on aesthetics but it holds no interest to me. Also, in regards to the lazy/talky cunts, It just means you form bonds with those who do actually do shit and then you get shit done. Personally my anarchism is close to 325 and more on the individualist side of things, though i have leftist sympathies (on account of not being an idiot). I'm sure in your mind this is just lifestylism though.


Only one of those was GJ by the looks of things.



>communism green fully automated communism.

What does that look like in the real world? What is the praxis? Missed a line, sorry.



SWP do nothing but organise demos. They are all very happy to do that however. The lazy scene thing is anarchist specific

It doesn't matter if aesthetics holds no interest to you, they are still important. This is part of the problem


Building proletarian power until it can take over



>SWP do nothing but organise demos.

Yes and in every organising group there are 10 people who talk to every 1 or 2 that actually get shit done. I don't know why you're denying this when it's clearly the case,

>Building proletarian power until it can take over

Ambitious. I'd start smaller.


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Jesus christ today France 2 (national tv who's director is pretty much selected by the president) did everything they could to reduce the impact of Saturday's protests, stuff like: terrorist attacks are back don't group! It hurts merchants and their employees! and look all these porkie celebrities that are asking for the riots to stop!



its run by a leadership so that is the structure though

You can build power in many different ways, building unions, building spaces and networks for the left to organise from, building self defence capabilities, propoganda, engaging the public etc etc



Yea, I know. I'm guess i'm saying it's best to split Building Proleterian power into smaller, more easily digestible chunks. I agree with all listed but the tragedy is that we live in such a shithole currently and have such an apathetic population (especially the working class) that most of these things end up looking like simple survival.

Heres a suggestion of a small action you could do; Have you ever considered squatting some old closed down comercial building in the poor part of town and opening a free shop? My experience is that they've always been good at bringing communities together, helping eachother and also creating norms or at least small spaces outside of consumer capitalism.




It’s so satisfying to see porky and these bootlickers squirm

>ywn live to see how porky reacts when communists take over a major western state



A space like this also doubles as a meeting space, i strongly believe that having actual physical space is one of the most important things to have in order to build a scene or movement or whatever.



yeh i am actually part of a project like this currently. Due to laws where i am though holding on to buildings i sbasically impossible



Damn. I still swear down that the only reason they brought through the anti-residential squat laws was to fuck activists. The law doesn't generally even mean much here if it's any consolation, generally if there arn't enough of you and there isn't a solid scene to come out and support you on eviction threats the filth will just kick in the door and nick you anyway, even if they don't charge you.



>ywn live to see how porky reacts when communists take over a major western state

Don't fucking say that unless you plan on dying really soon, motherfucker.



But is the Acte 5 still planned for Saturday? Is it actually being organized?



meh from what i understood it's going to happen but with all the medias fearmongering and the CFDT pulling out it will probably be smaller than the previous riots



that and i forgot to add that the fake €100 raise of the minimal wage is also going to have an effect because now it looks like Macron has tried to do a step forward and people will expect the gilets jaunes to do the same.


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>number of protesters gradually decreasing after Macron's slight minimum wage

>Saturday protest expected to have lower turnout than previous

Was he rite?



No it's just another case of happy accidents for heads of states wrt terror attacks.


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Of course he's right. He has advanced theory


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>happy accidents



Please stop forcing that irrelevant fat fuck ITT thanks.



MTWs will never be happy with anything in a first-world country, irrelevant.



No. I think he's right in that as of right now the 1st world has little revolutionary potential, but I think these protests show clearly the cause is not the workers themselves but lack of any revolutionary leadership.

Marxists are too chickenshit to be so openly, because they fear people will shun them. Meanwhile the fascists are rehabilitating their image right in the open.



Where in America do you live?



Stop shilling this fat LARPing revionist



>number of protesters gradually decreasing after Macron's slight minimum wage

the protests have been mostly on weekends, and the announcement was monday.

they have been decreasing from one to the next, but that's to be expected. I haven't seen any prevision for next saturday.



>>being antifa

Uh oh, someone got a little triggered



I've heard they started rising in Hungary, is this true hat bro?






>There's only one Lenin hat poster



Is the no confidence vote still ongoing? When do they announce results?


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When the defeatist fake Marxist is aligned perfectly with the bourgeoisie:





Not a burger, I live in Europe

Go on. Show me a Marxist group in a major 1st world country that has half the traction these "anti-globalist" fashies do. Not saying 1st world workers have it too sweet. I'm saying Marxists need to step up their game.



this. 100 000 years of gulag for defeatist Left



What anti-globalist fashies?


Am I being too fucking paranoid to think the shooting in france was a gubbermint psyop



FN, Sweden Democrats, Generatiom Identite (or whatever those fags are called), AFD and so on



All of these have socialist counterparts that are doing just as well or better besides SD (because I know nothing about Sweden) and AFD, who are doing well because Die Linke is filled with radlib cucks who need to fuck off to the Greens or something.









Socialists or "Socialist"

We're talking about revolutionary potential here, not some SuccDems with revolutionary rhetoric and nothing to back it up.



Gonna take a guess that Brighton is going to be even more Left-Liberal Intersectional Nonsense going off of everyhting I've seen



Yea, you're probably not wrong, used to be a great place but got gentrified. Bristol is still not terrible.



It's pretty tiresome engaging with defeatist whiners like yourself. Every right winger who wants to leave the EU is a fascist, but socialists can only be socialist if they're engaging in a protracted peoples' war (a qualification you've made up entirely by yourself). We both know full well there are Marxists in Europe with more influence than any meme group you've listed, but you'll just keep shifting away from what you regard a true socialist cause to excuse you being a lazy shit.



I mean yeah it's not surprising considering what's happened to the place culturally and economically over the last decade or so, lots of petit-bourg types moving in and doing rainbow capitalism, and it conviniently provides a shield to any kind of class struggle because those that move there because of the culture are perfectly happy to work for shit wages because of some played up persecution that LGBT people are told that they're going to face (clearly exists just there's a lot of fearmongering around this stuff, and you see this in multiple other developed countries too, certain cities & towns or districts becoming hotspots for various marginalized groups and then invariably the middle class types move in because of the potential for market expansion there and because they want to be progressive and other bullshit)



What's defeatist about my post >>2752355? i just thought it might interest people to know that our national tv is in the pocket of the president.



Also Both Bristol and Brighton are University cities. all these mong sheltered children have a very big part to play in this. Bastards.



Never thought the defeatist label would be shot back at me, top kek. I think you're arguing against a third worldist or a puritan ☭TANKIE☭, which I'm not.

Look, I support your determination but you didn't answer my question. Which of these groups that you didn't mention actively advocates the overthrow of Capitalism? Because that's my minimum requirement for calling something Marxist. And again, I think the revolutionary potential exists there within the working classes. I'm not sold on the current parties. But that's relatively easy to fix.



Not really, the unis are pretty small compared to most and don't impact the landscape much.

What really does are people moving out of central London to work. Like Bristol has an entire area (Clifton) that votes consistently GREEN because it is full of upper middle class libs.



Yea, i lived in Clifton, it's cancer.

The problem is a lot of these tards want to move here because they like that it's vibrant, arty, (was) radical etc. etc. without having the basic common sense to realise they're pricing out all the people that did the things they like.

I'm sick of these kids moving here talking about how amazing and cultured bristol is whilst never actually visiting any part of Bristol outside of Central/East.

I grew up here and unironically think it should be wiped off the map, tbh.



Honestly my flatmate's from Bristol and the weird fucking thing is that every time we go to a house party or some shit there are people from Bristol he is mutual friends with. I swear down you all fucking know eachother.



>Which of these groups that you didn't mention actively advocates the overthrow of Capitalism? Because that's my minimum requirement for calling something Marxist.

I see this as kind of cart before the horse, surely groups calling themselves Marxist are giving a pretty strong wink and a nudge that capitalism should be overthrown? As long as they continue to conduct themselves that way, shouldn't it be assumed they're acting in good faith?

It's like complaining Labour UK are "SuccDems with revolutionary rhetoric" because they're not going on TV and demanding the overthrow of capitalism (which would still make them socdems with revolutionary rhetoric). It's a cyclical argument. There are even candid videos of McDonnell saying at a meeting that he's a Marxist and wants to destroy capitalism, but he still doesn't qualify because he's not calling for immediate armed insurrection. McDonnell himself is in a more powerful position than every group you've listed, who are at best destined to be the smallest party in some meme coalition.

Don't get me wrong I think Labour is full of radlibs, socdems and people who will melt at the first sign of heat, but if the UK crashes out of the EU then it's almost certain Labour will win a landslide in a freshly deregulated UK, and this guy would be the most powerful person in the country with a blank cheque from the PM.

And this is just my take on the UK, we're posting in a thread about a left wing backed popular uprising in the heart of the EU, and all evidence is pointing to its members being largely left wing as well.

Things are going ridiculously well for us considering how completely fucked we were what, three years ago?



Yea, we do. Everyone interesting basically lives in East Bristol (Trust me, S. bristol is a shithole, don't even bother) and it's a pretty small city. Where you at, anon?


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Macron survives.


Expected that result, but only 70 votes?




note that 308 of the 577 are LREM and 60 are centrists


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>ever being right

Honestly, if there is a revolution in France I'm going to laugh so hard in this cunts face, along with every other LARPING third worldist.



>everyone interesting lives in east bristol

all the hipsters then..

>s.bristol is a shithole

im assuming south bristol is working class part

>previous comments about anarchist scene



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>im assuming south bristol is working class part

Yea, i grew up there. it's terrible. I dare you to live in heartclif for a decade mate…


Not sure why you think i should care what someone on the internet thinks about me but okay.



>it's fascists

>no it's russian meddling

>no it's a secret army coup

Who's gonna be the next scapegoat?




Isn't this the guy who we said really early on could be behind this? When people were saying it was planned with military precision and some lib was like "we gotta get this general guy in charge"?



No idea. But, military take overs during periods of unrest are quite common in other parts of the world, like Thailand and Egypt recently, and they guarantee to do capital's bidding.



>bourgeois state protects its own

No surprises



I don't know what to make of that. Odds are a general would not be sympathetic to the left.



I'm actually curious, what is /leftypol/s take on the thai Red Shirts? I have fam that were very involved and there was definitely a leftist element involved but also it is very very hard to be an actual leftist in Thai..




He's probably going to have a bad time just pulling a Macron but actually more Macron.



How credible is this website? Any other outlets talking about it?



Here is a live from Budapest (in hungarian), but don't wait too much, it's far from what happens in Paris




Ok, you're totally right about things looking up, and I was wrong to say there's little revolutionary potential in the 1st world. I should also say I'm a newfag both here and on the Left movement in feneral.

Keep in mind though that my criticism is mostly motivated by me being energized by these new developments in Left popularity. I think there's no time for feeling good about ourselves. We need to agressively push the existing parties to tge Left, maybe even erect new ones.

I'm just not confident some of these peoples Marxism goes beyond talk. Here in Finland we have just shy of 100 years of sucdem policies with strong sympathy for Leftist thought. And yet our most popular "far-left" party (8-9℅) are anti-cap in rhetoric, but I know for a fact most of them are just idealistic SucDems behind closed doors. The Marxist groups I know are either scared of their own shadows or content with doing little else but boycott Israel and turning up in small numbers at other peoples demos. What I'm worried about is if this reflects the wider European left.

None of this is to say that things aren't looking up. I'm simply saying thay as people are turning Left, we should push are parties and organizations Left too.




I honestly want them to start wearing yellow vest to trigger all the trumpists that have been supporting it so far.



I'm at uni in Manchester, but yeah as I said a flatmate of mine is from down there.



Some new activist in the US.


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I will file it where it belongs.




You can do the same with your post.




Good idea with flyer posting but are there any actual protests with yellow vest wearing people anywhere in the United States?



I can but I won't. If you think Americans can be trusted with completely decentralized leaderless movements then you've not been paying attention. They can't even be trusted running orgs that are devolved to local level without turning it into a farce.

They'll cunt around for a bit and get absolutely nothing out of it. I wouldn't be surprised if the site was set up by feds.



Some in Canada have taken it in order to protest against Carbon Taxes, it seems.



Did you read the blog?



I'm not clicking that link.



No Feds….

>Yellow Vests

They have weaponized economics. It’s now about survival for millions of Americans. Deliberate and forced poverty upon a people is nothing less than an act of violence and ethnic cleansing.

Stop supporting the Globalists, Wall Street and the corporate oligarchy. Bypass Corporate and buy goods and services from small local independent businesses. Embrace Conservation, only buy what you need. Engage in activism to promote the Yellow Vest movement. Ignore any propaganda that may be promoted by the Globalists that Yellow Vests being far Left or far Right.



Are you 12 years old?


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>buy goods and services from small local independent businesses



Americans will stand on the bit of the pavement the city told them to stand in their yellow vests and shout for a bit before progressive stacking their way to oblivion. They are too stupid to learn.


Why, are you from the Democrat Cops of America queer caucus?



So you are for buying corporate. Thanks for clearing that up.



>all of these yanks and bongs who think this is anti-EU

Oh dear oh dear oh dear…



Straw men isn't an argument.



m8. it makes literally no difference.



Yeah. Hungarian liberals believe that Orbán is a communist Russian puppet and that only the EU can save the country.



Good for them.



>So you are for buying corporate.

No he against providing any support to kulaks.



Oh my god there are a load of people in the chat that are Robinson fans saying "fuck globalism yeah go Hungary!"

The fucking mongs.



Now would that be something. lol



They are far better than the corporate crowd. People still have to buy things to survive.



Which chat?

>fuck globalism yeah go Hungary

Orbán literally turned Hungary into the Little China for Germany and France: a country of assembly plant and cheap labor.



Nice one Molyneux I'll remember it for my next youtube debate.



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THat's not what "globalism" means though to them: it means immigration, europhillia, muslims and shit. This is like looking at Putin getting protested and saying "fuck yeah, down with the EU!".



So lifting Milk Duds will end economic disparity.



Immigration lowers wages. And the Left 40 years ago agreed.



Bruv we're talking about Hungary you fucking moron.



How the fuck is that relevant to anything?



Will buying from small businesses?



because bosses are free to use it to this effect and sabotage the standard of living. if they weren't it wouldn't happen.

>how do you do fellow leftists



>America sucks XD

Ebin and dialectical post



>2008: America attempts to have a decentralized and leadership movement with no stated goals

>2018: America attempts to have a decentralized and leadership movement with no stated goals

Wow the dialectics truly are in motion


The Hungarian Riot police have started pepper spraying, things are getting pretty heated.


Hungarians shouting

>give the dude his shoe back

Apparently it was taken in one of the clashes.



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>Hamas and other potential terrorists



All the aluminum oxide used in "chemtrails" is produced in Hungary. Go figure.



Wtf I love fascist Israel now





pick one, sayuni



That reminds me

Somebody in France demand the release of Carlos the Jackal immediately!



Mate, some socialists here used to have 'We are all Hamas' banners and placards.. Honestly. it's not even worth getting into.




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>The evil Indians scalping our american settler civilians!







>Mate, some socialists here used to have 'We are all Hamas' banners and placards.. Honestly. it's not even worth getting into.

Please say this isn't Britain…


>Dat fetishisation doe






Spotted the zionist. Kill yourself.



Yes, I do support an “Islamic fundamentalist group” against a fascist colonialist state propped up by the American government. Kill yourself, Zionist



It was. It was a SWP (Stop The War Coalition, perhaps?) thing if i remember correctly, but don't quote me on that..



>implying ISIS isn’t an American-Israeli invention



Hamas is unreliable and politically shitty, but when they kill invaders who can hate on them?


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>"No-one has executed more people than me in the Palestinian resistance,"


Israel should be range-banned from this site





I don't understand how can you faggots claim support for Hamas while at the same time supporting Hezbolah even after their break in relationship over Syria where the former supported the "moderate" rebels



I probably don't know more than you. The red shirts are more rural and poor than the yellow shirts. They celebrate a politician who was very corrupt and who also cared enough to introduce a basic healthcare system IIRC. There is a strong anti-democratic sentiment among the yellow shirts.



Small-business owners are bipolar spastics and the core fascism recruits from. Big businesses exist mainly because of massive efficiency gains through concentration, and this concentration should be kept and intensified. A secondary reason for their existence is corruption, but from the viewpoint of small-business owners that's the main reason because "true" capitalism can't lead to monopolies, and the "solution" then is to "go back" to "real" capitalism, by breaking up big businesses, causing a massive loss in efficiency and spawning more small-minded spastics.


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>Saturday protest expected to have lower turnout than previous

Says who though?


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>some Hungarian protesters throw around trashcans

>other protesters set them back in place and pick up the trash

the absolute state of cuckoldery



I would like to interject for a moment add that this cancerous rethoric about helping le based small businesses, that you can observe during election campaign in many countries, is just to instill bourgeois consciousness in masses of people. Like everyone can become le based self employed business owner and make a lot of money. We will also get closer to the perfect competition, right.

I claim *sniff* that this is part of the reason people accept worsening work conditions in a gig economy. After all, you are one step closer to being a based self employed small business owner, aren't you?



It's about not buying corporate. Pay attention.



It’s an apt description. Cry more.


These protests are like 95% reactionary. You retards are kidding yourselves if you think this is a victory for leftism/socialism in any way. You’d be better off supporting Macron, honestly.



Back in the 1970's the left would bust sculls on scabs and union buster. They would also to the same to anyone that hired immigrants over Americans.

A smaller labor pool means higher wages. Are you people even remotely Leftist anymore?



Thank you Mr. Benzos for you imput.



>You’d be better off supporting Macron, honestly.

I wonder who is behind this post


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hehe, yeah, I don't know what these dumpasses are thinking xD



The same person who'se behind this post I'd wager




The entire Soviet Union was a giant LARP too


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fuck off



guys like these?


>It started around noon when about 200 construction workers mobilized by the New York State AFL-CIO attacked some 1,000 college and high school students and others who were protesting the May 4 Kent State shootings, the Vietnam War, and the April 30 announcement by President Richard Nixon of the U.S. invasion of Cambodia.

lick da boot


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Reminder that you can reduce labor supply to historic lows and you're employer will still most likely pay you a shitty wage regardless there is a limit to how far he can increase it and he is always incentivized to decrease it.



$10 hr was the going wage in the late 70's for manual labor.

Any questions?



Including being a clerk in retail.

Same fucking wage as today.


Why not go for the throat and call for a boycott of stock?



the day I actually see fully democratic reactionism I'll eat a fucking a hat


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Labout union CGT is going on strike today.

CGT is second largest in terms of membership.


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CGT blockade near St. Nazaire port.



1. Is it just for today, or might it continue?

2. Could this give a boost to yellow vests still not sure whether to show up tomorrow?

3. What are their demands more specifically?

4. That Martinez guy has to be based and Red pilled. Anyone who looks so much like a Soviet party secretary *and* goes against the rest of the unions can't be all bad.




Where were you when the CGT decided not to cuck out!?


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Haven't found the details yet. Will update if I come across it.

But people associated with GJ are generally skeptical because the unions rejected association before.




Polite sage for not adding this to my previous post



they are specifically trying to hit SNCF and RATP service hard, so public transit will be inconvenienced.


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They have a number of communiques on their website regarding strikes on December 14th, but no mention of this continuing.

They specifically want:

>the immediate increase of SMIC, wages, pensions, index point in the civil service, more than tax justice, the restoration of the ISF, wage negotiations, public services that meet the needs of the people, the revival of industrial policy.




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High school students, GJ and CGT in the same procession.



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Yellow Vest protesters in Tel Aviv, Middle East's Only Democracy, got beaten up. https://twitter.com/EF77457032/status/1073554826817126400

Meanwhile, yellow vests also spotted in London.


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The British ones are Tommy Robinson followers, they're far rightnpetit booj.


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A good action would be to find every riot cop on second link and phone spam them in the middle of the night.




This is really good news if true. It shows the base is much more radical than the leadership. This can be used to encourage rank and file organizing within the Unions. Once the union workers come in contact with the Yellow Vests it may also energize them into further action. I hope the French comrades use every opportunity like this.


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They're going for it! The absolute madmen.



Oh I like this. Hit porky where it hurts and force the neoliberals to really take notice



>inb4 gilets jaunes start to withdraw money en masse and leave banks before they actually shit the floor



fucking hell, this is praxis! imagine how cucked the Unions are though, that street protesters have to do their job for them.









>imagine how cucked the Unions are though, that street protesters have to do their job for them




yfw GJ will soon start to block Amazon warehouses


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This is literally May 68 tier…


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>mfw the constant protest by different bloc and groups was meant to tire the police out

>mfw the union strike want meant to occupy and distract the police so that they will forget GJ's blockades of vital areas




And without the charisma and "I basically saved the country" aspect of De Gaulle, it will only get bigger



Honestly I am starting to this the Invisible Committee has been organising this from the start: this literally the modus operandi of their theories.


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>There are better groups to support, actual communist and socialist ones.

PFLP and DFLP are allied with Hamas.


>where the former supported the "moderate" rebels

They have completely backtracked on that and deny ever doing it.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad is much better in this regard tbh.



*Starting to think, fuck



Lots of ppl from the nantes zad seem to be pretty friendly to GJ. I wouldn't be to surprised if the apalistas do have a hand to play in this, tbh.


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uphold tracksuit-communist thought, comrades. Power to the three-stripe.


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GJ have planned a blockage of Rungis, starting next Monday, which is a city a few kilometres south of Paris, in which there is one the biggest food market in the world where 95% of Parisian stores and restaurant get their fresh food (vegetables, fruits, meat, fish etc…). This is an incredibly ambitious action, which will need hundred of participants. If successfull there won't be any fresh food in Paris!






I am a Parisian and I'll try to go but I'm afraid that my bed is too comfy for me to fight the bourgeoisie at 4a.m.



I dunno if this is a sound move tbh: is denying Paris fresh food not just going to piss off the Parisians generally?



That's crazy for the RN(Eurosceptics) to have such a lead, it's going to be an interesting election.



I hope this is a troll post.



>Are you ready for the final fight?

>blocking rungis 17 december 4h unlimited!

>the ric: nothing

>fuel: nothing

>people with disabilities: nothing

>the unemployed: nothing

>the vtc: nothing

>retirees: nothing

>the motorists: nothing

>family allowances: nothing

>Housing subsidies: nothing

>The isf: nothing

>the craftsmen: nothing

>rsi: nothing

>Calling all yellow vests

>The declarations of the President of the Republic are only the powder in the eyes except the tax exemption of overtime.

>The movement continues and hardens, the blockage of rungis is intended to bend the government on the claims of yellow vests, blocking the European economy. The ultimate goal is that together we can change the system.



That's good. With Macron having such a low popularity, they will turn their anger on him.


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Kinda wondering this too. Anyone know the source? Reverse-searching the image just got me pic related in Portuguese, but with the same background



Truckers did this in Brazil the general population accepted it, some called it a "societal auto-asphyxiation" in favor of change. I think the same might happen in France, like >>2753739 said, people will turn on Macron.


Thank you.



a smaller labour pool might mean higher wages except you have a large reserve army of the unemployed, after a certain extension of this reserve army it doesn't really make a huge difference to wages. Wages are as low as they can be already



I'd be more inclined to try to push them to the right side of their class




You fucking go, you magnificent bastards


Not a bad idea. It would be harmful for bankers but also would imply that lots of people lose their savings tho



On the Facebook page it says that this event was created by the uber driver Union.


I'm so happy if the GJs can pull this off and win. It's inevitable that many Frenchies start turning from them as the movement turns more Red and radical, but if tgey can hold onto the majority support and working class base, that's a political victory. If they can continue dealing serious blows to the bourgeoisie society, their sense of their own power can only grow. Furthermore, if they can get the CGT or a significiant proportion of it to committ fully, Macron will have no choice but to escalate, which can only bring him closer to downfall.



This is just a job offer for a sales assistant



Or… You know, he declares a state of emergency and gets the army to clean up. Police was already asking for military support. It's not like this hasn't happened before in France. 6th republic incoming.


Verso translated the sociological study that Le Monde conducted. It's illuminating, to say the least.




I know, hence why I found it kinda odd that they were sharing the same general style at first


Has Badiou or Zizek said anything yet?



>Macron calls in the military

>SHTF hard

>Melenchon pulls a coup

A man can dream



Yeah, quite interesting, I had already read it in french.

Those points are especially interesting :

>Men (54%) were rather more numerous than women (45%). However, the high proportion of often working-class women, a social category traditionally not very mobilized politically, is a notable fact. We see here a propensity for women to demonstrate similar to what we observed on the marches of 24 November and 1 December.

>For almost half of the respondents (47%), the ‘gilets jaunes’ movement was their first mobilization. Only 44% had ever participated in a strike. They therefore have little experience in collective action

>This relationship of distance from or mistrust towards the established representational system was reflected when respondents were asked to rank themselves on a political spectrum from left to right. The dominant response was to declare themselves apolitical, or ‘neither right nor left’ (33%). On the other hand, among those who did take a position, 15% were on the far left compared to 5.4% on the far right; 42.6% were on the left, 12.7% on the right, and only 6% in the centre. By comparison, a survey conducted by Ipsos in April showed that 22% of French people rejected the left-right divide, while 32% were on the left and 39% on the right. This major divergence in relationship to politics is a major element in the uniqueness of the movement

>It should be noted that only 2 of the 166 people interviewed mentioned the management of immigration in their responses to the two questions presented. This suggests that analyses that view the movement as an expression of the far right should be reconsidered.

>The two main motivations of the gilets jaunes therefore appear to be greater social justice (whether a tax system bearing more on the better-off, a better redistribution of wealth, or the maintenance of public services) and the demand to be heard by the government. Nationalist demands, on the contrary, such as those emphasizing identity or immigration, were very marginal, contradicting the idea of a movement infused by supporters or activists of the Rassemblement National.



You're working on the assumption that the whole military will cooperate. At any rate if it comes to that, we might be looking at 1905 tier Happenings.



The military and rural police won't cooperate with a state of siege though: if Macron tried it he would see a mutiny…



I don't eat any fresh food



As if the French military will open fire at the citizens at this point




don't just assume your desires are reality.




It has happened before.


Le Pen controls the main police union. Two weeks ago the police was asking for help from the military.



>Le Pen controls the main police union. Two weeks ago the police was asking for help from the military.

1) the police union isn't representative of what is occurring in rural areas RE the police de facto refusing to prosecute yellow vests for occupying toll booths ect.

2) As I said the military wouldn't enforce a state of emergency considering the general support for the movement and the fact Macron is immensely unpopular with the army. This isn't De Gaulle's 1960s anymore.



No, but if even a portion of the military refuses, Macron is fucked.



What is the main police union and how does Le Pen control it?



It'll piss them off but the anger will be directed at Macron.



Why? We are not made to get up. God wants us to stay in bed.



Boycott Wall Street which OWS should have been instead.



GJ is what OWS should have been. Notice how much impact the GJ are having because the idpolers and neolibs haven't ruined everything


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I've found this poll who's kinda interesting because it's an hypothesis where the GJs could have a list for the european elections.



Do you understand western politics at all? Calling in the military in a western country is a recipe for disaster. While it looks like “strength” on a superficial level its actually an admission of political failure to contain opposition by appeasement, negotiation througgh regular political channels. Its a moral defeat of the government, a propaganda victory for the opposition and it will draw heavy international scrutiny not to mention it will radicalize many


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Hungary protests again. Live: https://www.facebook.com/magyarinfo/videos/272305306794690/

Attached vid is from tonight.



And once the police is worn out Macron will institute socialist mode of production? Get real. He didn't even roll back the tax break for the rich, the people to whom he is beholden. He tried to bribe them with a pity €100 raise, not addressing the concerns that have to do with the system, as if they were a rabble begging for bread.



>LREM is still the largest party



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>And once the police is worn out Macron will institute socialist mode of production? Get real.



The almighty IVPITER aura.

Seriously I'm not sure, maybe it's because it's the european elections and Macron is the most "europhile" or maybe the opposition is too divided.



what are they protesting ?.



The 'slave law'. Basically employers can request up to 500hrs (iirc) of overtime but only pay them a year later.



I never said he would only that using the military is extremely risky move.



>but only pay them a year later

Are you still getting paid a year later even if you're fired?



They're the biggest because their core is solid: that is about their lower range expected for the first round of the election. France has a pluralist party system with a majoritarian electoral system: we are hitting political deadlock that will make the cold war look like an uncomfortable coalition.



This kills France Insoumise



Nice one CIA



It does though. Although we can hope Mélenchon will unite forces with GJ.


Round five: Yellow Vests prepare for massive ‘Macron resign’ protest on Saturday

>Paris is bracing for yet another round of Yellow Vest protests, with demonstrators planning to take to the streets on Saturday. More than 10,000 people have already RSVP'd on Facebook to the ‘Acte 5: Macron Démission’ march.

>The organizers, consisting of some 15 groups, have outlined their list of demands on Facebook, saying they will continue their action against Macron until all their demands are met.

>“Our organizations support the demands of tax and social justice brought by the movement of yellow vests. They call for demonstrations Saturday, December 15, for social justice and tax, for a real democracy, for equal rights, for a true ecological transition…” the planners said in a statement, as quoted by Le Parisien.

>Security officials are gearing up for the protests, with Paris Police Chief Michel Delpuech stating that tens of thousands of cops will be deployed across France, and some 8,000 in Paris

>Delpuech told RTL that authorities are aiming to be in “better control” of the situation than they were last weekend, when more than 125,000 people hit the streets of France, 10,000 of whom protested in Paris

>Ahead of the demonstrations planned for Saturday, Interior Minister Christophe Castaner said it was time for the Yellow Vest protesters to scale down their demonstrations and accept that they had achieved their aims, as Macron has granted concessions as a result of the rallies.

>“I'd rather have the police force doing their real job, chasing criminals and combating the terrorism threat, instead of securing roundabouts where a few thousand people keep a lot of police busy,” he said, just days after an attack at a Christmas market in Strasbourg killed four people and injured around a dozen others.




Back to /r/CTH



Back to /r/CTH



CTH supports Hamas.


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Israeli settlers have no rights and must be made to leave. Every trace of America must be removed from the earth if we are to heal and move towards socialism.


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I don't like this focus on resignation. It's not any more likely or "reasonable" than any of the other demands and it doesn't ensure this same politics will not just continue as usual. Only concrete demands like popular initiative are actually relevant.


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Seems like the French right were mocking the Left and unions for not helping in November are now suddenly whining that they are corrupting the movement


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Turnout less than last Saturday, it seems.



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Is it over?




very uncanny with the facebook style emotes flying across the screen. truly, fuck the spectacle.


Stream available https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Gw8xBP0nU

streamlink -p $(which mpv) "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Gw8xBP0nU" best & disown

As always don't specify a player if you only have one


Bitch its cold as fuck in Paris now




>watch live stream

>look for fast forward button

happens to me all the time


Paris looks ‘less yellow’ this Saturday as only several hundred people descended on the avenue amid a heavy police presence. This time a week ago the number of protesters was much higher and rallies resulted in heavy clashes.





So it's over then?


>vive la commune/something something proletariat revolution banner written in french



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Less protesters, but not insignificant. We have to remember that over 1700 arrests were made last week too. And there has been a increase in police violence and arrests during the week too.




Yea, just opened the stream. That's clearly more than a few hundred wtf. Hop the frogs can start some shit up.



"We are here to complete the in-finish dream"

"the proletariat revolution"


>someone is playing Bella ciao



Would the GJ move to protest in other areas since most of the police presence in Paris anyway? Makes more strategic sense


why must we live among baboon?

we don't need baboon

bye bye baboon


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did she dead????



>They took out the Flemm




What happened?




I missed this. What happen?


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I don't know. Someone got injured. Here's another one.


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That is not halal.



It's piss water is what it is.



So i've heard but I still want to try some alcohol one day. I can't legally buy one in my country.



People typically don't like it at the start.



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Feel his power.






Whay do the cops keep attacking when the protesters are just standing around?

Also to Frenchanons: those blockading of businesses still going on?



hope she is ok but if she has died i hope she has not died for nothing. Loss of life is always a powerful force for change. Look at how powerful Emily Davisons sacrifice was.



Have you ever been to a large demo that doesn't have fucking Bella Ciao?!? lol…


Is this number legit? are you the same anon that found the lowest number they could and kept posting it in this thread last week?



That number is not legit. Several thousand in Paris, around 33 thousand nationwide according to interior ministry, so you can expect those numbers to be lower than reality too.



just seen on twitter the police are using water cannons as well as tear gas. Sending solidarity from the UK.


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Now we're talking.


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Protests seem pretty subdued today



Smonk da marijuana its better



The base of the CGT is more radical than the higher ups in Paris but not just in terms of leftwing policies. There has been numerous cases of militants purged from the union because they were anti-immigration or even were supporting le Pen.



Coming from a French there is zero chance of the military intervening. This just doesn't fit with current French military culture.

Also the GJ are very much unlike typical leftist protests. They wave French flags and sing the national anthem, not red flags/the Internationale. There is lots of sympathy towards them in the army (certainly among NCOs and soldiers) while Macron is seen as a rootless globalist.




The flag and anthem thing could be a smokescreen to hide their power level, and make it easier to sympathise with them. If they went full red aesthetic overnight they'd alienate almost everyone.



>The flag and anthem thing could be a smokescreen to hide their power level

They don't hide anything, most of them don't have red aesthetic simply they aren't reds, they are pissed off but not class conscious.



According to this guy, there are police blockades preventing many GJ from converging in order to claim the movement has weakened


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Media is pushing the "declining support" narrative hard. But, the important thing to remember is, as long as there were blockages and businesses were unable to operate, it would be a loss for the state.




Lmao I see they had to backtrack to 125K for last weekend from 31K, when the actual numbers were around 500K, It's likely that the real numbers right now are at least 125K at the bare minimum, probably more.



Also, don't understand how there were more people involved in the Nov 17 protest. Barely anyone knew about it back then.



I live in one of the biggest French cities that is not Paris, and there was actually more people than the previous weeks here and the cops are more brutal as well.

As I write this post, the police helicopter watching over the city finished refuelling and got back in the air. It almost feels like the G20 protests in Hamburg



lol. didn't they claim last week it was only 33k? are people buying into this shit?



none of the numbers are accurate it's just a spin narrative to attempt to make it look like the worst of it's over


What was with the Marianne figures walking around. Idk what was that meant to achieve? Is this performance art?



probably just to make a statement tgey're like the boob lady from the painting and the cops should join men. don't understand the silver paint and hoodies tho


so any new aside from the official ones? Frenchanons, how did the day go in your opinion?



So Macaroni does nothing and people just get bored and give up. Lmao. Revolution behind the corner.




we should hear more tomorrow after their night is up.



Macron is waiting for the GJ to get bored and leave, but it's not happening yet.


Thing is even if the Parisian protests die down, if the blockades continue it will continue to sap the economy. It's like a strike but the workers are still getting paid for the work they do: there is literally no downside for them.


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Pic related it's Macron's grand strategy.



And it is working. Ever since Seattle, Genoa etc. How will revolution happen, if the masses get bored after a few protests that don't force politicians to leave. However even if they do suceed, just another schmuck gets elected.



Why must we live with White Nationalists who cannot represent Whites interests in a normal coherent fashion beyond 12 years old?



is this a Twlight Zone Episode? I remember seeing this but can't recall the title.



Yeah, no idea which episode though.



Except this isn't a protest movement, it is more an indirect strike. What the Yellow Vests do are effectively flying and secondary picketts without work stoppages. It is draining the economy massive, some 2bn euros has already been lost. If this keeps on longer, it will continue to damage the economy; draining Macron's power and forcing him to react.



It's "The Gremlin" iirc.



What are you bitching about? Get to work and organize. Ofcourse people are gonna give up without unity of cause and leadership.

Furthermore you're not taking into account that thousands have been arrested and todays show up was still sizeble.





Waste of bandwidth and screen space.



Nightmare at 20,000 Feet



oh no!! not Monsanto!! i cri so hard for them i hope their okay xx


So how is the political fallout of Act 5? Is there an incoming Act 6?


Brussels is marching against the Marrakech migrant agreement




*far right scum are marching etc.

Fully expect the counter protest to be many times larger.



Also lol at two guys smoking a sizeable joint right in front of the camera. I love this country.



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A lot of hot takes flowing out there, people can't believe a variety of people from left to right to everything else are actually dissatisfied with the status quo in their nation, those who have supported the policies that have led to these protests will blame every villain they can find - Putin, Wikileaks, etc. to hide their own culpability.

Malcolm Nance is one of the biggest Russiagate grifters, selling Russophobia to an audience willing to believe that Putin is the mastermind behind every ill in the world, and unlike an obvious loon like Louise Mensch he regularly appears on MSNBC, is cited as an "authority" on the perfidious Russian menace and is taken seriously, even as he accuses his critics of being agents of "Trump and Putin".


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I mean the irony is that the Russian media is shilling against this hard because Putin is 100% worried that the same shit will happen in Russia. The crowns of Europe are trembling, if we make Yellow and Red unite they will crumble.






I can't find it online but there was a Rossiya 24 (think Fox if owned by Putin) programme with the host literally raging about how this was the CIA's doing to get rid of Macron because he wants an EU army.


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>if we make Yellow and Red unite they will crumble.

I don't see that happening…



Translation? The cops are tired and pissed off?



And will stage there own 'Act 1'.



Not that Red and Yellow you dolt: the yellow adopted by the rural proletariat as their signifier in the vests.



N.B: the various weeks of protests have been labelled "Acts" (as in a story) so far, yesterday was Acte V. What this is saying is that this police union (39% represenation) will launch its own protests.

This is the kind of thing that turn protests into revolutions.



>Putin fears a failed movement




>Pushing the narrative this hard



>numbers crater

>'i-it's s-still happening!'





Bruv a police union just declared it was going to start a round of protests: you think this is over? It's just fucking begun.



>Central logistics market of Rungis getting blockaded

>Not seeing they're actually increasing the pressure



Gilets jaune aren't far right



if I remember correctly, there were also complaints that their overtime have not been paid, and the state owed them more then 20 million Euros in overtime.



Sieze the food market and distribute food to fellow workers only.



>Les policiers son à bout Les policiers sont à bout et ne bénéficie d’aucune reconnaissance, UNITÉ SGP POLICE annonce solennellement l’ACTE 1 de la colère de policiers.

<The police are exhausted and they got zero recognition, so one of biggest union of cops( UNITÉ SGP POLICE ) solemnly announces The first Act of the warth of the police.


Also for the record, there hasn't been a police strike in France since 1944 (i'll give you one guess why they were striking).



Confirmed massive police plan to filter out gilet jaunes from converging to Paris, the media narrative of the "mobilisation weakening" is smoke & mirrors



This has always been the ace card thanks to some elements of the Left. Paint everyone as a "Nazi".


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Yellow Vests in Munich, Germany. Against rent increases and privatisation.




>Aufstehen actually doing something

About fucking time.


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You know what pisses me off about this "revolution" ? Its the fact that it isn't one.

They're just complaining, they're not aiming for the means of production, not stopping oil factories nothing.

They're just bitching in the streets.

How can we show them the light ? That all their proplems comes from the system itself and not just a pown (Macron) ?



>How can we show them the light ? That all their proplems comes from the system itself and not just a pown (Macron) ?

Literally what caused Euromaiden to turn violent, protestors getting gunned down.



>They're not stopping oil factories

Have you been following this at all? They've been blockading them, heck they fucking blew one up in Rochelle.


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He’s one of the few alt-rightists that’s tolerable.



FBI leave, we know it’s you.


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Goddamn how many gratifi, unionists, and leftist song must be sung before people stop shilling this narrative? When porkies are straight up executed?



They're liberals: they think that stuff is literally as bad as fascism.



How can a "Leninist" be "alt-right"?



I think Bannon subscribes to dual power.


Just a note about Yellow Vests in America. In Europe IIRC are required by law in your car for registration so everyone has a yellow vest.

I checked my local Walmart and Home Depot and they have in stock 6 and 30 yellow vests respectively.

So in the US for the YV to succeed one would have to use yellow in another manner such as clothing, posters and whatever if protesting.


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following on "our national tv is literally a propaganda factory"



If he or anyone else is working against the Elite they will try anything to paint the movement in a negative light as possible. I really don't care if he quotes Lenin or is alt-right or a furry from Mars at this point in time.




that's really fucking weird i think i recall seeing one where he was doing ok like 4 or 5 days ago



Iirc correctly there was something weird about that poll like "if this was 2017 how would you vote now?" or something, it wasn't actually asking about the next election.



this is complete nonsense. He doesn't subscribe to dual power. He specifically said he's leninist in the sense that he wants to destroy the welfare state.



the question is something like: if sunday the first turn of the presidential election was happening for which of the following candidates would you be the more likely to vote?

It doesn't really tell you if it's talking about replaying the 2017 election or a new one




Well actually the title of the poll explicitly tell you "What if we replayed 2017" but there's no way to know if the people who were polled knew the title and not just the question.



Damn that is pretty bad. Idk how no one would vote FI after this GJ stuff…



Political correctness is pretty important here more so than actually illegal stuff like the Benalla thing i'd say and Mélenchon kinda fucked up and got really angry when he was "raided"(is that he word?) some weeks ago.




Oh and before that there was some shady stuff goig on with an online news outlet (Le Média) that had relatively close ties with La France insoumise so that didn't help either.



Not today, CIA!


this entire situation demonstrates that there is no "left" and that it's all just varying degrees of corporate shills including the so called "socialist" and "communist" parties.



Back of the queue: GCHQ!








You guys know that guy Nancy is a literal "ex"CIA agent right? What are you expecting?



this is about all we can ask for tbh



Big if true.



What exactly do you expect in the heart of the Capitalist EU? That after nearly a century of anti-Red propaganda and brainwashing people just suddenly awaken by themselves and storm to the streets singing "Lenin is young again"?

These things take time and work. The yellow vest movement - going on well over a month now with no signs of stopping - is more than I would have expected just a few months ago, and it's a sign of growing class conciousness. Organized Left input is seemingly minimal, and yet almost all coherent demands that have surfaced have been very Left leaning. The actions taken by the movement have been more ambitious and harmful to the state than anything the Western Left has achieved in a very very long time.

This shows that there is a base for Radical Left politics that is not being utilized to it's fullest. If you want to break the conditioning, it's gonna take hard work and organizing.



30 years ago the Marxist party was the 3rd largest party in France. it's not Burgerland.



Well true, but 30 years ago Soviet Union was still standing. And since then the idea that "socialism is tyrannical and can't work haha" has been entrenched ever further in people's minds. Just saying it's a steep hill to climb, and this movement is a very encouraging sign. Don't know where all the defeatism is coming from.



The only shill here is you



Tell me more about the blowing up factories


In Hungary, thousands of people are at the state TV, and politicians of the opposition want to read their demands, but the TV doesn't let them. The angry people are waiting outside.






Poor Hungarian workers they're really getting fucked on this one, its down right slavery.

But again they did fell for the right wing meme, their fault.



>Tfw Hungary regains class consciousness



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Good thing they banned gender studies, huh guys?



Have Marianne's gilet open so we can still see the tiddies.





This is a period of economic growth in the Eurozone. A recession is coming since the old idiocy that lead to the 2008 crisis is just continuing again. Europe still has the issue of shared wallet where nobody wants to pay for the cost of other countries.

Once recession hits it's going to get very serious.




yes please, what this comrade said



I'm pretty confused. A good chunk of Gilets Jaunes responded that they were leftwing, and even had a list of demands that were aligned with what the left would generally approve. Yet it seems as if Le Pen is winning? I feel like some shit is going on here. As if national polling has been somewhat corrupted in some way.




>left-wingers are actually out on the street

>not answering land-line phone polls




>Thinking that polling is inaccurate because it goes against your preconceived notions.

Whatever. I still support the protests, but only out of a desire to kneecap an imperialistic country in the dick. I doubt that these protests would really do much of anything at all outside of cause a recession in France. However for the people in France, they will still suffer and in trying times they will go over towards a fascist, because people are in general easily cowed and weak willed. It doesn't matter if it's porky or prole.



>lul bias

The socialist and communist parties being alone in their drop is not a thing, anywhere.



I hope that you're right, however I'm preparing you for what is going to actually happen. Just take solice in the fact that one of America's puppets is going to the shitter, and the degenerates that populate it will kill each other.



Are you from the future, Anon? Because I don't see where the wind is blowing from doomerposting in a cyclical thread.



>Just take solice in the fact that one of America's puppets is going to the shitter, and the degenerates that populate it will kill each other.

Why would we feel good about that? They are victims of their country's imperial history, not its perpetrators.



Despite being a blackpilled lost soul drifting in the abyss of the hell of our own creation, I still believe in being positive in life. So I cannot become a true doomer. I have become a bloomer, a doomer who has ascended sheer pessimism and became a flower of hatred in the despair filled world.

That is what Junko would hate, hatred counters both hope and despair. It transcends all.


I don't care about the lives of fascists. They are simply inferior to me.





hahaha how do you fuck that up?



Macron is unironically a big brain fucking Wojack holy shit.


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This comforts me in the idea that our gov. representatives are not simply evil cunts, they're dangerous people convinced they're right.


Delet this topic. The rambling is over, it's too cold, people don't care anymore.


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Delete your message.



12 year old "revolutionaries" on this board need to grow up. Smashies smashing a few trash cans and cars ain't gonna cause a revolution. A few middle aged disgruntled people won't cause a revolution. They will yell and scream for a bit then they'll stop soon enough.




How the fuck do they keep pushing this shit? Have they no self-awareness at all?

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