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ITT: we laugh at retarded leftoids, idpol leftists, and radlibs

insert some totally hailorious stuff about the character limit


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Ladies and gentlemen i show you the tale of little pep the leninist and the undeserved autistic reaction


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Idpol isn't left-wing.


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Even more autism



Fuck i should've reworded that i meant people who call themselves leftists but only give a shit about idpol


r/stupidpol is pretty good for this


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shit like this is why the left gets called snowflakes


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Being a snowflake is a good thing you know now…



I know I’m out of touch but why do twitter users think their hot takes deserve to be posted absolutely everywhere online



that is an answer that we shall never fully know anon


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Use ChapoTrapHouse2 if you're a reddit fag, and don't want to see these types of things daily.



One of the top posts there is complaining about ☭TANKIE☭s


left liberals are seeing apparitions



The USA was a mistake

t. George Washington


>post hot takes of irrelevant people

It’s arm-chairs with too much time on their hands who give a shit about this stuf


I deliberately avoid r/cth and twitter so why do i have to see this shite?



This will blow up in their face : ^ )


Why is everyone on left twitter either transsexual or "nonbinary"? What does "nonbinary" even mean?



They thought they were special for not being invested in what gender they are.



>They thought they were special for not being invested in what gender they are.

TIL I'm nonbinary



I feel the same tbh and I suspect that's how they feel coupled with a personality disorder.




Both are correct though. Putting one group down and/or raising one group up relative to equality is definitely far-right bullshit, and the people who do this and call themselves lefties are doing just like the Nazis and calling themselves "socialist" so they seem more credible.


What the hell is a leftoid?



Someone who fails a purity test.



A word that is inexplicably gaining traction despite it not being immediately apparent what that word means even when used in a very particular context with synonyms alongside it.



I interpret it as meaning "seemingly leftist, but not really leftist" or "leftist" but with a derogatory slant on it. Like human -→ humanoid "resembling a human in some way"



A specter is haunting Californian radlibs.



Is there anything like LateStageCapitalism that isn't succdem/tankie shit and twitter screencaps? The premise is pregnant with potential for interesting analysis and other content, but they just post/upvote hot (to normies) takes.



It's a bad post for making gun nuts feel like they aren't welcome on the far left.


>muh sexworker genocide by Lenin

AHAHAHAHA this is some bullshit from liberalcom.org


>What does "nonbinary" even mean?

It means being below two brain cells.



>It's a bad post for making gun nuts feel like they aren't welcome on the far left.


Anti-gun radlibs out.



insult usually used by 'post-left', anti-civ, and other groups that are 'fringe' politics but are vehemently against certain parts of leftism


Brehs I heard r/cth shut down for a bit and people are talking about it in this thread. Why did it shut down?



The mods there shut it down for three days because their subscriber count hit 69420.



This. Stupidpol is the only decent subreddit.



>whining about tranarcho-democrats on twitter

this is like filtering piss out of a swimming pool by drinking from it


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>If she was a whore, I would support her

>supporting reactionaries because they belong to a group you are sympathetic to

This is what idpol gets you. Take it in.



Probably Menaker, his dad is the an executive chief editor at Random House.



>Leninist Porg THought

Lenin was just like Obi wan Kenobi training Skywalker (Stalin) to fight the empire



Skywalker tried to purge Kylo Ren from the Jedi Order (party).



cth was always trashy false conscious liberals tbh.






Why not just call them red liberals and be done with it?



Many of these people don’t even claim to be communist or anarchist so “red liberal” doesn’t really apply


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Does this count?


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That's American brainwashing.

>A is bad. B is against A. Therefore B is good.



That's a parody account: Dan Hodges is a liberal british commentator who is vehemently anti-Corbyn, claims to be a Labour supporter but voted for the tories last time.



>mod team consists of the best posters




TomShoe nowhere near makes up for Vris92 the tard defending wrecker being on there, and that's just for the two I recognize.


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Although I went for a poke around and this made me laugh



As a bong and a HoI player I chuckled outloud.



He’s not wrong



To be fair leftypol and BO engage in this all the time.



How is he *not* wrong? The FSA are more like were a grouping of fascistic jihadi imperialist puppets





FSA is US aligned

like certain other groups



>FSA is

You mean "was". They don't exist anymore.



r/stupidpol is the one sub I use that doesn't make me want to kill myself.


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My bad.

It's so hard to tell who is ironic these days


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>the reds were wrong to shoot the anarchi-

You know you can submit like five images at once right.


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It won't let me from my divice for some reason.


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I am getting so close to wanting these people banned from life. I saw one today whining about how CTH should have thought about their name more because it's triggering to trans people (because "trap").


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>Nazi frog



For this reason /leftypol/. The only online far-left community where you can be transphobic as long as you're a comrade.

Hopefully I can be anti-trans on main one day too, but revolution wasn't built in a day…



gave me a chuckle



I like Bat'ko, but he brings it on himself by white-knighting the idpol crowd and being sectarian as fuck on Twitter.

The Holly Jane saga is a cautionary tale of this.



>The Holly Jane saga

What's this?



Bat'ko thought white-knighting a psycho tranarchist who used supposedly being suicidal to emotionally manipulate caring people through DMs, accused everybody who disagreed with their views of being transphobic and called everybody who wasn't an anarchist, but was far-left of being "communists" was a good hill to die on even though literally everybody (except hyper-sectarian anarkiddies) on Left Twitter was tryna warn him of what a psycho Holly Jane was.

That was till Holly Jane accused him of being transphobic with his "Zizek on traps" video as evidence and accused him of sending /leftypol/ to send her/him/it death threats on Discord literally 2 days later.

I'll try find the screenshots of the insane, stalker-like wall of text DMs Holly Jane sent him talking bout "I'm gonna make it my mission in life to ruin you for betraying me UWU" too.


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>mentally unstable, vindictive and obsessed with using callout culture to divide the left

no, what? huh? how did this happen, could anyone have foreseen this?



Feels good being on /leftypol/ for this reason. It's Stormfront to those Twitter leftoids. As a Marxist I can get away with stating how retarded transgenderism is without👏some👏faggot👏posting👏 responses👏like👏this👏to me.



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Is kinda reasonable that her fursona is a sloth being how slow she fucking is.



Speaking of fursonas, I had a back and forth with a "socialist" furfag a couple weeks back. Guy had a rose emoji in his username and all and was talking bout "state capitalism" and how he don't like being told by other leftists to read XYZ cuz theory's too hard to grasp for newcomers.


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Settlers was a mistake



Now hold on a second, this tweet ain't half bad. Who doesn't like big ol' ripe proletarian milkers of reproductive age?



@Bell_Shakur? That you?



Stupid degenerates with no taste



I’m in agreement with this



This is a good tweet because it's obviously meant to piss off twitter.



I more of a ass guy tbh



Both are good


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>I like Bat'ko

Reminder that he joined bashing Dr Bones, co-host of the Guillotine Podcast, for being a "rapist", meaning Bones being guilty of sex with another person who came to regret boinking that dork several days later; and Bat'ko tweeted the other guy from that podcast, offering himself as alternative co-host.



This is enough for him to be put in the trash forever.



On the one hand callout culture's cancer and can cause more internal chaos in Leftist online circles than a tornado in a trailer park, but then again leftists have a responsibility to stay clean as a whistle and stay away from anything that could cause drama for it's ability to distract from the cause with personal issues.

I don't like how faggots (especially Multural Carxist) cannibalized FinBol when word of his Discord roleplay sexcapades came out, but then again I expect more from somebody who calls themselves a Marxist-Leninist.



I ain't giving up on him and Socialism Or Barbarism! yet. They're gonna have their BadMouse moment of truth sooner or later and look back at their days of spreading CIA propaganda and sucking the dick of the would-be king of a loosely organized gang of glorified bandits and see the light of Marxism.



>dude never have sexy or get caught thinking about sex

Is this really the answer? Engels was a serial philanderer, Lenin had a mistress, Stalin lived close to the aesthetic ideal but even he had an illegitimate child with a 13 yo when he was young and wild, Mao was a sex addict who practically kept a harem of impressionable young girls to bone and Marx allegedly had a bastard with his maid

I mean I agree we should strive to uphold standards for ourselves but if we were puritanical or stringent on this issue very few of our greatest revolutionaries would have passed the smell test.



For some reason liberal twitter thinks Assad is committing genocide and the Mujahideen were good guys.



>leftists have a responsibility to stay clean as a whistle and stay away from anything that could cause drama

Trying to adhere to radlib standards is a fool's errand. If your sex life is even slightly informal, you run the risk of being slandered as a predator; if you have a normal monogamous relationship, you get accused of being a traditionalist, and therefore right wing; if you abstain from sex and relationships entirely, you get branded a soggy knees incel. These people will find any excuse they can to demonize you, because to edgy online liberals, childish interpersonal drama is politics.

Mark my words, even if criticism of identity politics becomes a common left wing talking point, a disproportionate number of successful leftist figures will end up being open fags, simply because it provides defense against radlibs that don't want to be accused of homophobia.



literally KiA tier



If KiA has more effortposts than here, yes, 100% correct.



Nobody's saying you can't like fucking. Just don't roleplay kulak/NKVD rape fantasies with 15-year-olds on Discord.



I ain't just thinking bout radlibs though. I don't wanna give lolberts, netzis or any other stripe of online right-wing retard ammo to attack /leftypol/ with.



use a desktop, doofus



Based and boobpilled


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i don't want to live on this planet anymore


Reminder that if your leftism isn’t intersectional and you’re a straight white male who gets mad at being told about your privilege, you’re a reactionary and you have no place on the left :)



>finbol sexcapades

What happended



he fucked three dozens of nazi thots in a row



Reminder with this kind of rhetoric the left will never be a mass movement, but a bunch of tiny fractured cults. Laid off factory workers in the mid west aren’t privileged.



It's obviously a parody of retarded liberal faggots.



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Fuck off, radlib. Homosexuality, anti-trans and women's liberation are all fine and dandy to /leftypol/. Idpol however ain't and that's exactly what weaponizing comrades' heterosexuality, masculinity or whiteness against them to win arguments against them is.



God damn it, BO changed r-acism to "trans" with a word filter.



He had an underage Discord server girlfriend who he'd roleplay kulak/NKVD rape fantasies with in chat rooms. Talking bout "*Pins helpless kulak whore down with polished boot, grabs her throat and tears off her peasant clothing*". The screenshots are all there.

Shit reads like erotic literature. Call it "50 Shades Of Red".



>"tiny fractured cults"

>A Trotskyist



It's such a shame what happened with Finbol. He made and makes really good Marxist content, but what he did is genuinely indefensible



shitposting flag



>but what he did is genuinely indefensible

Who cares tbqh. The whole world is full of morally compromised shitheads. This "perfect socialist" idea needs to drop dead.

I even see people gunning for the Chapos and Cumtown on the basis they're all cokeheads. Who fucking cares? A bloo bloo bloo one person dies per gram of coke. I have bad news for you buddy but equally bad shit goes on with completely innocuous and legal products that dominate everyday life.



Sounds pretty hot tbh



coke is expensive though, they're cokeheads because they're bourgeois. and coke makes you obnoxious.

>what he did is genuinely indefensible

you say that like he raped someone.



Test racism



>coke is expensive though, they're cokeheads because they're bourgeois. and coke makes you obnoxious.

Coke may make you obnoxious, but it doesn't make you a member of the bourgeoisie. It's the most popular prole drug in the UK.

>you say that like he raped someone.

I didn't and agree with you.



>shitposting on discord is genuinely indefensible







Not like that, you have to at least put a space in front of it

anti-racism anti-racism


I'm confused, what has the FBI done this time?



>Coke may make you obnoxious, but it doesn't make you a member of the bourgeoisie

being able to afford lots of it heavily implies you're a porky. cth are petty booj spoiled kids.

>It's the most popular prole drug in the UK

absolute bullshit, weed and alcohol are.



no he didn't

antiracism antiracism anti-racism


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It's fine. These people shit up the left now, but when any real conflict starts going down, they'll be gone with the wind. I don't see any of them willingly agreeing to stop wearing fishnets for the revolution, much less starving or taking a bullet.




anti racism



>being able to afford lots of it heavily implies you're a porky. cth are petty booj spoiled kids.

The hundred thousand quid a month patreon pays for it. Are you going to stop the prez of the DSΑ from doing coke with his Nazi pals?

>absolute bullshit, weed and alcohol are.

I don't consider them drugs because I'm part of the proletariat lmao




Which is why I say Marxists should keep that shit behind closed doors. Sex-positive radlib Twitter's fulla scandalous fuckery like this cuz they think reigning in the lewdity every once in a while makes you a SWERF/fascist or some shit.

That Egoist Porky faggot wrote a response piece calling Pierre Tru-Dank just that after he criticized online leftist communities for being fulla porn, E-relationships and drama.



>leftists have a responsibility to stay clean as a whistle and stay away from anything that could cause drama

Doesn't work if your opponents have no taboo against making up shit and being a sexless teetotaler doesn't make you a very relatable person.


You are just jelly that you didn't witness it live.


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Having flashbacks to when the radlibs and Twitter anarkiddies called me an crypto anti-Semite/anti-black racist for posting this meme:

They really love sucking the fun outta the internet.



this is the most cringy thing ive ever read.

trips denied.



Again, Kennedy was 15. There's a point where lewdity becomes fun ("d-generacy" in case of word filter).


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Whenever I see this pic, I think of Afroplasm.



Forgot muh shitposting flag


Same tbh



>There's a point where lewdity becomes fun

I had fun once and it was awful!



Something tells me he's in this very thread…



Afroplasm is in all of us. In a non batty way famalam wagwan


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You ain't funny, faggot.



I think it might be time to re-assemble the old gang…



The material conditions for old leftypol are forever lost, the thread of fate has been permanently severed.



same tbh



Afroplasm Gang's main flaw was that while it successfully integrated any and all anons from all schools of leftist ideological thought into a moving, pulsing, constantly evolving mound of Marxist-Pan-Africanism, it assimilated contradictionary ideologies such as National-Bolshevism which destroyed Afroplasm Gang from the inside out…creating the synthesis of…"Naziplasm" from the thesis and antithesis of Afroplasm + Naziposter.



>Tortskyists are a bunch of tiny fractured cults

Who do you think the Project for a new American Century is? Who do you think the US state department is? There’s a reason the US funds the PKK, and it has nothing to do with imperialism. If there’s anything us Trots are good at, it’s hijacking Imperialist organizations for the benefit of socialism.



>Neocons (like Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager) are socialist

Holy shit…please tell me this ain't your argument cuz that's what that sounds like.


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The board will never be as funny as during those periods due to the fact mods ban all dissenting opinion, it makes parody impossible.




Only one way to find out, boys…



It's not the same.



What're you, some kinda individualist!? LOL



Stop it, you're lying to yourself. He didn't type like that and he's not coming back. Let it go.



Don't you get it!? There's no "The Afroplasm", WE ARE ALL AFROPLASM. It lives within all of us.



This board will never be the same again and you are lying to yourself thinking emulating how it used to be will fix that.


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Afroplasm Gang transcends time and space. It is eternal. It doesn't matter if 2017 has come and gone, Marxist-Pan-Africanist Collectivism is an immortal science.



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Anon, we've already gone past the end. This is it.

We're ghosts in the machine, leftypol hasn't had an effect on culture for years. It's over.


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Cease this antiplasm revisionism and give yourself to the hivemind. Your assimilation can be peaceful, comrade.



True Brits would be drinking themselves silly on a Saturday night realising how futile it all is.

You're a fucking bender fam.



Alcohol's for fucking losers. I still stand by that.



How old was the girl?

If she was like 16 or 17 I dont really care



Their relationship started when she was 15. Ended at 16…I think.



Being horny is the bane of men because everybody gets horny, and most horny people do something stupid at some point. And I'm not talking about rape or something, I just mean doing something insensitive or perverted. I'm too vanilla to want to do some weird chatroom kulak rape-play (lmfao), but I've done really dumb shit while horny.



Ya NKVD rape role playing with a 15 year old is…yikes espucally cause hes in his mid to late 20's right?

But ya Finbol's videos are pretty good so it sucks to see he got caught up in that shit, goes to show e-relationships are fucking cancer and should be avoided at all cost, im sure afk he woudnt date a girl that young, its easy to think the other person is more mature then they are when there behind a screen.


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Is it this? If so, it kind of looks like it could just be a joke.


This thread is the moment I realised I am so desensitised to violence and that nothing that happens around me affects me. The whole world is horrifying and it doesn't impact me any more.

I'm perfect.



you guys are fucking prudes


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Im dying RN

"Comrade Stalin would not have this" holy shit Finbols either a comedy genius or rapey motherfucker

God damn


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I looked around more and found out he did a "self-crit" on twitter. I guess what others were saying in this thread was true, he was e-dating the girl and she was a minor. He said that chat log was a joke, which I think is probably true. Why would you have a serious kulak rape-play in a chat with other people lmfao. But clearly the whole dating this 15 or 16 year old girl was a bad idea. I'm going to go out on a limb though and suggest that he probably isn't an asshole. Sounds like he is just a lonely extremely online dude who got some sexual attention from this girl and took it because he was horny and young. Isn't finbol like, early to mid 20s?



Ya he seems to be that type I think in one the big brain university episodes everyone was high but finbol which kinda makes him seem like "that kid" I dont know how to say it without coming across as douchy but you know what I mean

Also im not quiet sure as to how old Finbol is I know he graduated university and works a job tho so mid 20's is probably accurate


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He's also the Secretary General of his party.





Age of consent is 16 in Finland. So if she was 16 he wouldn’t have really been doing anything wrong by finnish standards


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Seems really muddied if anybody knew her real age. Some on reddit threads declared that she was 14, but it was in the midst of struggle sessions so seems tinged with passion for internet purges. I saw someone on twitter who sounded somewhat specific who said that she was 16 at the time, but her birthday had been a couple of months ago. So he may have been sexting with her or whatever when she was 15. But given that this is what he looks like:


And that apparently this Kennedy person was sending DMs like pic related to others in the discord, I can say with some amount of confidence that Finbol is probably not an unrepentant pedophilic creep, or sort of plotting sexual predator. It's more likely that he is a lonely and somewhat socially anxious or alienated type of guy who got a really thirsty girl begging him to give her sexual attention in his DMs and he went with it. Still a bad idea, but without further evidence that he was being malicious with her or intimidating her or something I'm guessing he is probably good intentioned and just made the mistake of being too horny.



Thats actully kinda cool but holy shit he needs to at least cut that hair if he wants to get a gf thats around his age



FinBol's 24 so yeah…he's still /ourcomrade/ though for his strictly theory-based, yet to be refuted Marxist videos.



Pekka got a fucking mullet…



RIP old leftypol

gone but not forgotten



How's 15yo is humongously different from 16?



please explain to me the function of subdividing the proletariat and how exactly that even works. im assuming you do the same for the bourgeois?

how do you have an oppressive white male oppressed proletariat? unless you're suggesting ALL cis straight white males are oppressors, in which case you're a fucking retard

reminder that idpol is establishment rhetoric.


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>why hello, did somebody call me?


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I know Huey Newton wrote 'revolutionary suicide', but did this Levine guy write any books?

This kind of fearlessness has always seemed missing from the modern left.


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Public speaking skills: 0

I mean, I'm no Cicero but at least I know to look up at the audience every once in a while and connect through gestures. He's just standing there, looking down and reading it. They could have gotten the speech in an email attachment.


idpol retards gonna be in bad shape when they all get sent to the mass graves to be shot in the head.






Don't most of you live in Euro countries where the age of consent is sometimes lower than 16 anyway? The other guy is right in that age of consent is mostly arbitrary. The only consistent factor across Western cultures currently is some age after a typical puberty (between 10-13, thus resulting in ages of consent from 14 up). This isn't the right thread for this discussion, but I'm tired of seeing these mindless responses.


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We were kidding you dumb fuck. Well maybe christcom wasn't.


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The worst part about this is that he reveals himself to fetishise Stalinism instead of genuinely following Marxism-Leninism as a theory of liberation. His rape victim in this fantasy isn't even bourgeois or aristocratic, just some piss-poor peasant girl that gets raped and beaten up under a jackboot, with Stalin being referenced as the "great other" permitting this. He really just fetishises authority and hierachy and early 20th century aesthetics. Even if you believe that Stalin did nothing wrong and whatnot, you still need to acknowledge that Stalinism was the result of its material conditions, and that a revolution in 2019 would look quite different, there will be no kulaks to rape and aristocrats to kill.

Honeslty it remins me of these people who are hardcore Dengists and call Corbyn a "social fascist" - which is the pot calling the kettle back, and probably even against the line of the CPCh who'd probably welcome such a government, it really is just fetishisation of authority and violence, and delusions of personal grandeur. The idea that some non-binary lesbian transwoman who defends Han nationalism on Twitter would lead some Red Guards to plunder rich mansions in some post-apocalyptic USA is funny as fuck. And while FinnBol is much better than those post-colonial IdPol guys, it is just as ridiculous to think about a Finnish metalhead nerd to be a raping commissar during the conquest of Eastern Prussia. I am by no means saying that FinnBol or the Twitter ☭TANKIE☭s are fascists, but there really isn't much difference between than and /pol/ incels fantasising about race.war and shit.



I think that might be a bit much to psychoanalyse based on some over the top contextless smut (that may or may not be a joke). Though I agree it's not a great look.



It's a joke. A joke that's autistically dragged-out and beaten into the ground until it's creepy instead of funny, but 100% a joke nonetheless.




>but there really isn't much difference between than and /pol/ incels fantasising about race.war and shit.

At least communist revolution can actually happen. Race-war bullshit is inherently stupid because even spooked people aren't as extremely consciously obsessed with race as /pol/.


My God.



It’s pretty great how all it takes is one vector of identity to derail successful delegation within your stupid global movement



counterintelligence rules


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This idiot


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This exists sadly



He's right you know

Anyway, someone finally figured out what to do with these shitty scooters




>He's right you know

Enjoy your ban faggot.



>follow 4 lewdz <3

Who the fuck would do that considering their face? "Their" because I can't fucking tell if it's a transwoman or a cis women, and you never know with these accounts



Should have posted that where he advocates military intervention in the DPRK. Admittedly, he has changed his mind about that but still.



Go ahead, click, you will only ban a man.

I will not be a slave.



obv trans, the face and openly declaring just following for explicit pics.

I would hit it because my standards are low. Although someone like me has no business having standards at all.



>human and animal rights rather than workers rights

Focusing on workers is focusing on humans. Does she imagine that proletarians will just abandon peers who are unable to work?



They are a liberal who thinks people should be proud of disability and lord it over others. It is in the capitalist interest for the poor disabled to die in the street. They probably think ML is red capitalism or something like if you can't work in our slave camp gulags you are useless.


The right wingers have cringeworthy boomers but we have to deal with this shit constantly- and virtually noobody is calling to purge them because of how powerful their grasp over left discourse is.

I would rather have the boomers than to constantly deal with these people making an embarassment of our ideas by association. At least the boomers will be dead soon. I swear to god every time I check twitter Nazbol seems more and more appealing



Just go full Stalinist. We scare libs away.



Yeah but there are quite a bit of full-on Stalinists on Twitter that think Stalin is an icon of non-binary liberation. It's alright to shit on the anarkiddies ITT but let's be honest, the Twitter ☭TANKIE☭s are on par.


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Being a Stalinist doesn't mean shitting on LGBT, it means shitting on Liberals. Don't forget to bring up Victoria Woodhall.


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>>human and animal rights rather than workers rights

>Focusing on workers is focusing on humans.

And animals, too.



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>can we PLEASE stop

>income shaming



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Neanderthals were "men" and we are the faggy elves, I guess Chimpanzees are orcs.



Which fascists are they hanging with? Isn't it just

>muh I don't like them = they are fascists


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This is some next level /pol/biology right here.




>a good friend of mine makes 80k a year

That's about $6700 per month. Even as a top engineer you wouldn't earn that much unless you are somehow involved in management (e.g. complicit with porky).


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Do they know that most Nazis consider Europeans to have Neanderthal genes which supposedly makes them superior?



The average software engineer in the US makes around $115K/year so 80K is believable, if not low.



Person who wrote that doesn't know anything.


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>all these trannies


>fem shit

it's over homie



The right are apparently becoming hostile towards capitalism so it's going to be amusing to see the radlibs become the reactionaries and Nazbol the revs.

We gotta support capitalism to fight white supremacy, y'all.


You've seen this bullshit?


>muh sex workers

>muh asexuality

>hurr durr sexism

>hurr durr slurs

>hurr durr this is where the line is crossed

>just because you are a big lefty e-celeb doesn't mean you should be blindly followed

Sure Bat'ko, but hanging out with Peter fucking Coffin is okay? My god, the absolute state of le ebin frog anarchist.



>We gotta support capitalism to fight white supremacy, y'all.

That argument has already been made in numerous radlib talking points. The only kernel of truth in it is that big business is required by law to be more diverse than small businesses and therefore corporate capitalism provides more opportunity for non-whites than say in the early 20th century when small businesses were more prominent and an important pillar of Jim Crow btw

Beyond that, it’s just a bad argument assuming that “whiteness” is a greater threat than exploitation, or that the kind of allowances made under corporate capitalism for minorities aren’t possible or substitutable under socialism



What's wrong with Sex workers / Prositutes?

They are still Lumpen-Prole / Prole in most scenarios

Also in regards to the arguement between Pierre and Batko over their waifu or whatever Pierre was genuinely acting like a bit of a cunt for no real reason



>What's wrong with Sex workers / Prositutes?

Nothing wrong with them as people but prostitution is not a good thing and should be abolished. Socialism is supposed to be a doctrine of liberation, not selling your vagina for a labour voucher.

>Also in regards to the arguement between Pierre and Batko over their waifu or whatever Pierre was genuinely acting like a bit of a cunt for no real reason

Pierre is a troll but Bat'ko revels in this stupid IdPol e-drama all the time that nobody gives a shit about.


What's Pierre's Twitter handle?




I lowkey buy into a lotta spooks bout fun and immorality, sex work's one of them, but even I don't get why it supposedly ain't "real work" to a lotta Marxists. You offer a service that makes somebody happy. The use value comes from what you do in the bedroom. Is the argument in that fucking doesn't create anything concrete that you can use like a chair or a toolbox? Cuz if so are masseurs or carers not real workers either?



Edit: "fun" = d-generacy. Fucking wordfilters.



Everybody knows the wordfilters.



It maybe “work” but it isn’t really productive. Hiring a whore who works for herself is no different from having a personal chef or hairstylist—it may make you happy but it’s in no way productive.

The only way I can see sex work being “productive” labor is if it produces profit for a brothel owner or pimp who is also not just a fence but a capitalist in his own right.

I think that’s potentially debatable too. My ex-gd liked to fuck a lot and so as we strained our large Amerilard bodies together to please each other after it was over which one of us was “working”? That’s really the dilemma that Cockshott poses. Not sure that I have an answer there, most people enjoy having sex in their free time. I find it questionable whether a whore really has to be better at sex than the average person (in the same way that a singer has to be better than your average shower icon) but I’ve never actually been with one so maybe I’m missing out on true talent.


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Neanderthals were dorfs. They were shorter, thicker, had not art (autism) but did build shit, and were known for being sturdy. Probably also extremely hairy. We're humans, and there are those little homos found in southeast asia who're hobbits.



>trying to celebrate somebody’s hard work in losing weight and getting healthier

>”um actually it’s bad to applaud people for improving their lives because it reminds me of how I’m lazy and overweight”

This is just a woke way of saying “I’m jealous of that person for losing weight”



She doesn't even look fat so she's jealous on behalf of a hypothetical person.



The whore's gotta fuck men she otherwise wouldn't for a living. That's the work of it.

Bit of a shame nobody's answered the question bout carers and masseurs yet. Really wanted the /leftypol/ position on that contradiction.



>The whore's gotta fuck men she otherwise wouldn't for a living. That's the work of it.

There are prostitutes here who ask 'customers' to describe their height, weight, ethnicity, send a picture if they can so they can choose. Also a lot of them write "I can reject you at the door". Prostitution is legal here, that's why people are able to be picky.




That person isn't even fat, but whatever. How can one seriously believe that being fat isn't unhealthy, and being fit isn't healthy? I mean, this is straight out denial of medical science. I don't even know what to say to that, I am literally stunned.


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I also remember him saying that the 1932-33 Soviet famine was deliberate.



Christ hes literally just a fucking radlib


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>nobody said this when I posted this rare gem



>reform capitalism lmao

Yep this fucking completely confirms he is nothing but succ dem rad lib



I mean I don't want to make a habit of shitting on him too much, it's not like he makes political videos unlike other youtubers who are surely just as much if not worse offenders than he is, and I'm sure the ones that make political videos avoid ever stating their opinions like he does because they know they'd get owned the moment they actually stated them.

His political opinions may be a bit crap but his content isn't his political opinions, he's just an openly left leaning eceleb who like most terminally online people his age have an attention span so shot to shit reading anything longer than hot takes requires more effort than everything bar actual work.



Hbomber is not like Burzum were you can seperate the art from the artist. His shitty personal opinions do influence his videos, as they do with Contrapoints and her strawmanning of leftists. But this is all irrelevant, because these guys (hbomber, Contra, Peter Coffin, etc.) are all terminally unfunny. Contra made like two videos that had me smile (the "interview" with the Jewish professor and the Golden One video), the rest was pure cringe, and with hbomber I have not seen a single redeeming video, even his video on the Golden One, who is like the bottom of the barrel in terms of making fun of, is unfunny. Why do these people think they can be e-celebs?



I can see where she is coming from especially considering I know some indigenous comrades but

>using the Western Civilization dog whistle

yikes sweety


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You guys are missing the most important part of >>2790351 IMO

>I occasionally assume more radical stances than even I can support purely because people often are completely unprepared to argue with someone who actually stands for the things they're arguing against.

>assume more radical stances than even I can support

>someone who actually stands for the things

He's so disingenuous and spineless that he conflates actually standing for something with pretending to stand for something to own the righties.



whoops meant to be quoting this post >>2790354


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Does anybody have any idea why people like idpol? What parties/unions use it, and how can people fight it? why do trans people think abolishing gender roles = abolishing gender, yet get turned on by the taboo act of puting panties on, when the only reason it's taboo, is because of gender roles



It's easier to complain about a part of the system than the whole system altogether



>person wants to literally throw you out helicopters or violently murder you

<gawd, stop insulting them

Multural Carxist was always suspicous IMO.



And for some reason I thought Multural Carxist was one of the only non retards.





Daily reminder that it's ok to beat and insult women and dead-name/misgender someone if they're right-wing.


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Accept true feminism, and leave behind "muh NAP Violations". Recognize it's only a part



Yes, fellow communists, talk all you like about killing or gulag-ing the reactionaries who want to kill you. BUT DON'T BE MEAN TO THEM ONLINE, MY GOODNESS!!! DON'T YOU KNOW YOU COULD HURT THEIR FEELINGS?!!




I was being completely serious you fools, not sarcastic.


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>Don't tax on me



Reactionaries aren’t people.



>haha yeah don't support your families!



>Taxation is theft

>not being paid for your labor isn't

the right really does have their head up their own ass.



This except unironically


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>Get a real job!

>is paid to shout platitudes on the internet


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We need another civil war. What a dumbass ancap.


>>2791851 (me)

Can someone please post that one meme about libertarians being nazis? The left half of it is shit they say that makes them sound libertarian, then the right half is basically fuckin Nazi bullshit. It fits this.

I'm just so confused as to what Infowars is. They let a dumbass ancap speak for them… while calling for programs that would *require a fucking government* to apply them.

Maybe her idea of border control is just private police forces owned by Pepsi patrolling the southern border with AR-15's.



Seriously when will this tryhard whore get a real job? She looks like a bimbo straight out of the 80s. I guess that's why infowars crypto-boomers like her.Reminds them of the last time they got a boner.



>We need another civil war.

When Johnny comes marching home again,

Hurrah! Hurrah!

We'll give him a hearty welcome then

Hurrah! Hurrah!

The men will cheer and the boys will shout

The ladies they will all turn out

And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home.

In twenty-hundred and twenty one, that was when the war begun

Hurrah! Hurrah!

In twenty-hundred and twenty two, that was when the coffers pilled up

With roses they will strew the way,

And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home.

In twenty-hundred and twenty three, that was when the old IWW ended wage slavery

Hurrah! Hurrah!

In twenty-hundred and twenty three, that was when the old IWW ended wage slavery

Hurrah! Hurrah!

And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home.

In twenty-hundred and twenty four, the war took five hundred more,

Hurrah, hurrah!

In twenty-hundred and twenty five, the nation was one, once more

Hurrah, hurrah!

In twenty-hundred and twenty five, peace was able to fill with joy the warrior's heart,

Hurrah, hurrah!

And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home



the war took five hundred thousand more,

Hurrah, hurrah!



The Union forever!

defending our rights!

Down with the blackleg, all workers unite!

With our brothers and our sisters from many far off lands,

There is power in a Union,

when men stand hand in hand,

our three starred, union grand!


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This is what gender role enforcing liberals believe in



I think some people like Skye are transtrenders, but I would also lovingly hold him/her down against a desk and rail zim so it's fine by me.


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Thank you comrade


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Go back to r/ChapoTrapHouse

Thank you



I was saying that transgenderism enforces unnecessary gender roles, and shit like this is stupid



Shit I didn't realize it, fuck sorry





American brothers, when the revolution comes, will you cosplay as continental/union soldiers or wear WW2 uniforms? That'll get everyone's spirits up. Start tailoring comrades.



How about get really spicy and dress as Viet Cong?


How about let people define themselves how they want?



I'm not a yank.

and tbh, Spanish Civil war 'uniforms' if one must LARP


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We could also go full IRA and just be casual as fuck. Might as well be what most antifascists are already doing, just start handing out ski-masks and berets.



Male/female dress/appearance dichotomy defines people in transgenderism does it not?

Let people dress however they want, within reason, so this dysphoria doesn't keep occurring.



The problem with this is you phrase it like it's empowering but it's really just erasure of what people want to identify like.



It's a unnecessary identity, that's what capitalism creates.

It's not something organic like the type of music you enjoy, and the culture that comes with it



>organic like the type of music you enjoy, and the culture that comes with it

Gluten Free®, Grass Fed™, Organic© music genres



>It maybe “work” but it isn’t really productive. Hiring a whore who works for herself is no different from having a personal chef or hairstylist—it may make you happy but it’s in no way productive.

I should hope in a communist society I'd be able to go get a massage or some other non-essential care like that.


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You disgust me, fucking kulak



white people can't be leftists though. STFU. NO. Stop typing..STFU.


im not reading any of this, eat my shit



>but prostitution is not a good thing and should be abolished

Define not good

>Socialism is supposed to be a doctrine of liberation, not selling your vagina for a labour voucher.

Same could be said about literally any other job that isn't "productive," like everyone here acts like we're all gonna be fucking ironworkers and electricians. Not everything will be necessarily productive or "moral" in your sense of the word.



Maybe I worded it wrong, but I agree with your statement. It's just that the guy I was referring to seems to have the idea that something that isn't necessarily moral or productive in his eyes doesn't belong in socialism



it's more empowering than the obsessive categorization of minutiae but i guess it's more fun for the kweer kidz if they get to be contentious and adversarial over arbitrary consumer preferences


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Hello all! I heard you guyz liek Hegel :P

Pic related: it's me reading Hegel xD


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Bat'ko got triggered by J Barg it seems



lol the cat's "can you believe this shit" face

anyway he's still way cooler than me tbh



Am I missing something? Cus this just looks like Mr Adolf Stalin sperging out


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Bat'ko just can't seem to comprehend J Barg, so he has to snicker with his friends on twatter over MUH INCELs



Who is J Barg?



>nobody is allowed to temporarily enjoy luxury

dumb ☭TANKIE☭



People that think that something that can't be seen through their tight views doesn't deserve consideration and can rightfully be smugly dismissed, shall perish in the revolutionary holocaust.



The problem with this view is the lack of interrogation about "what one wants." Desire doesn't exist in the ether but is fashioned into a certain form, by this society into a certain type of identity that implies in turn a modality of consumption. The obsession with authenticity, authentic selves, and identities to satisfy some "desire" or complex thereof results in little but increased identification with what capital desires one to be.


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Massages are fascist, sorry kiddo



God that photo of me was so pretentious and awful.




Well he's no longer a tripfa- oh wait.



If it is a joke its a pretty fuckin big commitment to the bit tbh

what can I say but yikes?



honestly it doesn't look so bad, kinda cute even

but i can say that having no idea who you are and really not caring to change that and regretting my compliment



Tbf this is from years ago I believe. He's probably changed his mind in the years since he said this dumb shit, the DPRK thing he changed his mind about ages ago.



<reminder that im 14



No, however when the revolution comes, Which Side Are You On needs to be the new national anthem.



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srsly why does muke surround himself towards all these crazy people


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It’s funny cause these are the same people that will identify as communist (cause red fetish) and take credit/praise them for stopping the Nazis. Then talk about pissing on stalins grave. Smh.



>That Pine Tree Gang in the Middle



what if i'm trans but nothing like this?



You mean the only leftist "community" where you can be an anti-materialist pro-individualist liberal and get away with it because most people here are actually petite-bourgeoisie libcoms, anarchists, not even left wing like Stirnerites and /pol/lacks in rehab?



>anti-materialist pro-individualist liberal

>says someone who believes in gender essence


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Was this regarding Zizek's recent talk at NYU?

For those who don't know: during the question portion of the talk, the audience was made aware that this was to be the final question, a man was at the mic, and somebody in the audience yelled out that no woman had spoken, as if this was somehow indicative of a gender bias, the lines on both sides were formed by audience members without regard to gender – anyway, the man said "you know, you're right" and gave the mic to a "trans" fellow identifying as female – neither he nor anybody in the audience thanked the comrade who gave up his opportunity to speak.



Thank you for reminding me that Actually D0NG exists.

And yeah, Muke has reached that level where communism is fascism if it doesn't mean no work, no school, doing hard drugs and having trans orgies all the time. And I'm not even strawmanning here or being hyperbolic based on his recent posts.



> communism is fascism if it doesn't mean no work, no school, doing hard drugs and having trans orgies all the time

it is tho



Go back to Chapo Trap House pls


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Whatever you say NSA



>new media labour being given the value of its labour

That being minus length times number of people watching your youtube poop?


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Fascism is cool, guys!



Le kultural marxises



Fascism couldn't even save the west at this point so it doesn't matter. In fact it might hasten the decline since the push back against intensified imperialism would result in the complete annihilation of all western countries. Fascism is a death cult for petit bourg kiddies who see proletarianization looming on the horizon and who would rather die (while attempting to kill others for profit) than accept their fate.



Something something the last thing a fascist sees before he becomes a communist is the Jew

Is old joke



epic family guy moment tbh



>fascism is when you love your country bro!

Absolute brainlet


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"Whiteness" is not a legitimate ethnic category. It's a completely fabricated identity created by american elites (and exported elsewhere, funny how so much evil originates in America.)


>falling for fashies' idpol swindle

what a lame, weak retard you are. The primary goal of fascism is to restore profitability to the system at any cost. The issue here is that america is already running at peak efficiency and almost the entire western world is dependent on the American world order for survival (however with some effort they could possibly save themselves should america disappear.) America has basically no unions and the worst working conditions in the west. The system isn't sick. It's doing exactly what it is supposed to do. If fascists took over they would just drive everything into the ground and start wars to cover their losses (much like Hitler did.)



/pol/ is nothing but shills for capitalism. They can dress it up anyway they like, i.e. anti political correctness, anti-semitism. They know modern capitalism is in crisis and want a cultural revolution to reaffirm its position.


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>yeah sure lol, thats all they talk about on pol man.

>expecting highschoolers to care about economics when they haven't even worked a day in their life

lol, again weak. That's the whole gimmick. They talk a lot about idpol and then when you turn around they stab the workers in the back. That has been the case with every fascist ever. Pic mildly related.


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>"Whiteness" is not a legitimate ethnic category. It's a completely fabricated identity created by american elites (and exported elsewhere, funny how so much evil originates in America.)

No, it comes from Spain, stop trying to blame burgers for everything you don’t like.



>No, it comes from Spain, stop trying to blame burgers for everything you don’t like.

No it comes from Africa. No really Africa is named after a Berber tribe that would hunt Niggers for fun. Stop trying to blame the Spanish for everything you don’t like.


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>i dont see how this affects the ideas themselves at all

>real fascism has never been tried

lol So it's just a coincidence that every single fascist regime has implemented anti-worker policies and stolen from the working class in order to prop up the filth that inhabit the decadent halls of power?


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>tfw this book will likely be available for quite some time but I can't find Jim Profit's "grimoire" for the life of me



>nope, the economy is actually doing well as far as 99% of people are concerned.




>no, but it definitely doesnt mean that the entire movement was a vast conspiracy created in some underground capitalist lab, you complete moran

You guys say that about communism so cest la vie right?



Mussolini held meetings with italian big businessmen and industrialists in which they agreed to support fascism, an underground capitalist lab is pretty much how they came to power



>transgenders and nonbinaries

>believing in gender essence

uw0t p0rky



> the economy is actually doing well as far as 99% of people are concerned.

spotted the neocon LARPing


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>the economy is actually doing well as far as 99% of people are concerned.

fuck off, trust fund kiddie



Imagine thinking your anecdotal "evidence" is an argument.


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>Racism feels good!



Is this a joke?



Literally liberal idealism

I wanted to post something here but I can't find it anymore as it is a few days old, it was saying "if your revolution isn't led by black, indigenous and LGBTQ+ folk, it's not a revolution"



>The solution is not education but to make racism socially unacceptable

Haven’t liberals been trying this for fifty years?



only your butthurt makes you insist on rigorous standards of evidence on a chinese fishing forum

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