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 No.2785023

Were they the best American Marxist-Leninist group?

>influenced by Marx, Lenin, Mao and Fanon

>patrolled the police by open-carrying

>actually helped working people by providing free breakfasts and healthcare to their communities

>seen as the number one threat to US national security in its time

>didn't fall into supremacist / idpol deviations while still elevating blacks and accepting many women into its ranks

Are any of their tactics still relevant or usable today? I'm especially attracted to their militancy and have had a few discussions with IRL friends about their tactics who are similarly attracted.

The Ten-Point Program

https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1966/10/15.htm

Revolutionary Suicide

https://b-ok.cc/book/2514800/8ae73a

 No.2785433

They were based. More modern groups need to open carry and actual take themselves seriously. We know it was effective because of the Panther Bill they tried to pass to stop (successfully) the Panthers from patrolling the cops in Oakland


 No.2785439

I'd say that it's another left wing tragedy but there's really no other ending.


 No.2785447

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No, CPUSA was.


 No.2785561

>>2785023

>>patrolled the police by open-carrying

This just tickles my cholesterol riddled American heart.

God bless.


 No.2785570

>>2785447

That's not how you spell Revolutionary Union


 No.2785622

>>2785439

What makes you say that anon? S-surely the proletariat will have the last laugh, right?


 No.2785652

>>2785447

Hammer and Hoe sound like snuff-gore hentai comic


 No.2785784

the communist movement in the agricultural south or the Socialist Party was probably more widespread but the black panthers absolutely had the ruling class shook like nothing else. they were terrified enough of the CPUSA to pass the new deal, so afraid of black commie sharecroppers to double down on police brutality, but the panthers had them so terrified they really pulled out EVERY tool at their disposal


 No.2786007

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Too fucking good for this world. Absolutely tragic. They had problems, of course, but that's because they were a real mass movement and certain misteps are inevitable. Sometimes I feel like the BPP and Rainbow Coalition were the US's last chance to foster a real socialist revolution and now we're just sliding steadily into fascist degradation.

>>2785447

Tell me about CPUSA, I'm a little familiar with the sharecroppers in the Black Belt. What happened to them? Were they stamped out or did the politics just not make it into the next generation?


 No.2786033

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>>2785023

Socialist Party of America, they were pretty close to taking power. In fact they were so close to taking power that their members often said “Socialism isn’t coming to america, it’s practically already here, you can smell it in the air.”

>>2785570

Burgers spell English differently. Ex: Labor vs. Labour

>>2786007

>Sometimes I feel like the BPP and Rainbow Coalition were the US's last chance to foster a real socialist revolution and now we're just sliding steadily into fascist degradation.

Anytime theirs a market crash there’s an opportunity for revolution.


 No.2786041

>>2786033

>Anytime theirs a market crash there’s an opportunity for revolution.

This does not contradict what I said at all. If there is no infrastructure or support for revolution the conditions that make it possible will be seized by reactionaries, and reactionaries are very strong in the US while a real left may as well be nonexistent.


 No.2786056

They were definitely the model for how American socialists should operate.

>actually studied theory

>took actions to directly help the working class

>firmly rejected idpol

>materialist analysis/approach

>not pussy radlibs, not afraid to arm themselves and confront the cops

>well disciplined and well organized

>badass image, not a bunch of bandy armed virgins

They should basically be the template for any serious socialist org in the first world.


 No.2786057

Based and redpilled

Last non-idpol communist group in America


 No.2786068

>>2786007

CPUSA used to be so fucking based. They utilized the great depression, and formed unemployment councils that reached the thousands, and sang the Internationale outside of the fucking white house They're Bernie level shills now though. It hurts tbh


 No.2786069

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>>2786033

>Socialist Party of America

this

De Leon > Lenin


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>>2786033

Debs was cool it's just that demsoc-ism in the U.S won't work due to the bourg being to powerful, and not willing to hand over power He also decried the iww for representing anarchy, so he could win votes, so im mad


 No.2786072

>>2786071

Forgot flag


 No.2786074

>>2786069

How is De Leon any different from Lenin? There's still electoralism, and workers councils aren't any different from local syndicates


 No.2786075

>>2786069

also different socialist party


 No.2786087

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>>2786007

Pretty much the only true mass communist party in US history. The RU was a promising start with a few thousand members in the mid-to-late 70s but it never came close to CPUSA's 100,000+ members and millions of sympathizers.

Although the CPUSA didn't openly carry guns at rallies they definitely weren't radlib pussies. While I was reading Kelley's book I lost track of all the times that CPUSA members got into shoot-outs with the Klan–many of them quite deadly. They would fight the police too if they had too since being a communist in Alabama in the 30s was more or less illegal for much of the decade. They did a lot of great work organizing steel and coal workers in Alabama my grandfather took part in a coal strike likely organized by them

They were militant fighters for civil rights long before the civil rights movement itself really got going in the 50s-60s. Most of the black writers you'll ever read in an American lit class (Baldwin, Langston Hughes, Richard Wright) was published in the party papers (ex. The New Masses), often starting up their careers.

They were mostly able to deal with idpol issues without sinking into the morass of radliberalism. They identified very closely with American revolutionary heroes such as Washington, Lincoln etc. and that made it easier for them to go against the anti-communist fervor of the time. I think it was also important for helping the American proletariat under standing where they are in history and where things might go from here.

In the North they didn't get into as many violent struggles but they had more bourgeois democratic rights so they had far more street presence there. One interesting they did do there was they would wait for a foreclosure or a tenant getting kicked out of their apartment and once all their stuff had been moved outside of the pavement by court order they would move all their stuff back inside when the police weren't looking and then the cops would get frustrated and leave the tenant in peace.

I don't think its an exaggeration to say that the New Deal was a reaction to the party's influence and the CPUSA was the backbone of trade-union drive in the 30s that saw a a third of American workers join unions. I don't think it's a coincidence that when the AFL-CIO began kicking out CPUSA militants who had really built up the movement that the slow decline of America's unions began. Their efforts building domestic support for America's contribution to WWII, which was an anti-fascist war, is not to be underestimated either.

To answer your question they were stamped out brutally in the 50s (the whole HUAC/red scare debacle) but that wasn't the only reason for their decline. They had a major revisionist wind in the party (ex. Bowderism) before the crack-down and the infiltration of the party but Khrushchev's secret speech was really the nail in the coffin. I also have my doubts about the black nation thesis but it was understandable given the times and at least a more coherent way to deal with the problem then just shouting "stop being racist!"

Pretty much all the party militants left the party and the FBI even set-up fake anti-revisionist parties to undermine both the existing CPUSA and the attempts to refound the party. All of the history of American communism post-1956 is the story of attempting to refound the CPUSA, whether the protagonists were aware of this fact or not. Nobody has succeeded yet.


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 No.2786426

>Were they the best American Marxist-Leninist group?

By fucking leagues and miles


 No.2786438

The black panther party was a spy op to give the government a reason to put fear in the average American there by giving an excuse to persecute black people. Totally a scam and divided the movement.

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 No.2786452

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>>2786438

Learn history, retard. Declassified FBI documents labeled the Panthers as THE number one threat to national security in the late 60s ans 70s and operated COINTELPRO against them relentlessly for daring to stand up against the racist American government and the cops terrorizing their communities and making them into second-class citizens. The Panthers and people like Huey Newton and Bobby Seale were heroes, fuck you for thinking that having a spine against the police and providing free food, legal advice and healthcare assistance is “muh spy op”. Just look at what J. Edgar Hoover said about preventing a “black messiah”


 No.2786718

White people are incapable of achieving communism. Genetic pre-disposition to take other people's shit.

The future is black and Marxist.


 No.2786821

>>2786087

Great post, thanks for the info anon


 No.2786829

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>>2786718

>I know nothing about the Panthers: the post

READ REVOLUTIONARY SUICIDE

UPHOLD NEWTONIST THOUGHT


 No.2787186

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>>2786438

>spy op


 No.2793308

I'm curious why was there a White Panthers instead of having white people part of Black Panthers?


 No.2793316

>>2793308

>It was started in response to an interview where Huey P. Newton, co-founder of the Black Panther Party, was asked what white people could do to support the Black Panthers. Newton replied that they could form a White Panther Party.


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 No.2793330

I live in Oakland, and one thing I've noticed is that the panthers are still very popular here to this day even among white liberals


 No.2793348

>>2793308

The Panthers were first and foremost for helping black communities. Read their ten-point program

https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1966/10/15.htm


 No.2793590

>>2786829

>Revolutionary Suicide

I remember this hilarious exchange that occurred between Newton and Jim Jones in Havana during some meeting of American radicals being held there or some shit that Ismail talked about

Basically Newton and Jones got into an arguement about just what "Revolutionary Suicide" should mean

Newtons view obviously boiled down to basically the will to die for your beliefs while Jones went on some apeshit tangent about how it means to literally kill yourself as a form of protest against capitalism and its excess's

Some examples of this he gave was the Self-Immolation of Buddhists in Vietnam shaping the US opinion on the Vietnam war


 No.2793638

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>>2785023

I think its agreed upon that the BPP were the pinnacle of American Marxism-Leninism.

The better question is why something like the BPP doesn't exist today. It's just hard to believe that not a single so-called leftist organization doesn't follow something similar to the Ten-Point Program. Especially with how successful it was in terms of direct action. Scared the shit out of porky with how successful it was. I'm a huge advocate of stuff like the ten-point program because it gets everyone involved within the community.

I've always had this dream of starting an inner-city community center that would provide services similar to a church (food bank program, soup kitchen, school, etc.) but instead of preaching gospel, would instead educate people on Marxism-Leninism.


 No.2793670

>>2793638

>I've always had this dream of starting an inner-city community center that would provide services similar to a church (food bank program, soup kitchen, school, etc.) but instead of preaching gospel, would instead educate people on Marxism-Leninism.

I have a black friend like this who likes the Panthers and expresses similar sentiments but he’s kinda stuck in a place where he recognizes capitalism is bad but the way to fix it in his mind is reform and regulation over socialism. He hasn’t read Marx or Lenin yet though. I hope he does someday though I’d help him if he tried to take steps to do anything similar to what the Panthers did.


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>>2785023

>influenced by Marx, Lenin, Mao and Fanon

and Kim Il Sung


 No.2793721

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>>2793688

It can't be a coincidence that all of the best communist groups have been influenced by Juche.


 No.2793824

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>>2793669

https://www.iww.org/content/black-cats-bond-industrial-workers-world-and-new-afrikan-black-panther-party-%E2%80%93-prison-chapte

The IWW's picked up some experience (props to ☭TANKIE☭s) from them, and that helped them get into the International Confederation of Labor.

Getting rid of the wrecker, equity committee, would make me erect tbh




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