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Bump Limit hit.

Last thread lasted about two weeks, but there doesn't seem to be so much to look forward to for the next few weeks.

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Pardon my autism but every OP should be titled /leftybritpol/ and should have a link to the previous thread >>2787895


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Behold yanks get shat on by pure, unadulterated, banter



Lol you can tell who is the 'real' (astroturf) account because they keep crying for daddy mods to fix it.

Fucking Dorsey should be ashamed of what his platform has become, tech twats will get the bullet too.


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Fucking based whoever is behind all these accounts


Is it true that the Tories are becoming more popular now than before, and that Corbyn is falling in the ratings?



I don't think the Tories are rising or anything but Corbyn is falling due to his flipflopping on Brexit sure. People are angry that he is trying to sit on the fence and not do anything to stop it, while simultaneously he isn't coming out strong in support of Brexit and explaining why.



Is he hiding his power level?


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He's rarely been shy about showing off his radicalism but in this case yeah, he's hiding from the fact that his membership is anti-Brexit by a large margin and is hoping that the Tories will just get it over with without his involvement so he still gets what he wants and doesn't have to take responsibility. But they're so inept that his disingenuousness has become obvious, in their failure to deliver Brexit he fails to attack the actual concept and simply delivers vague speeches about how Labour would somehow do it better.



Honestly right now we know fuck-all about what the country actually thinks: british politics has been in this weird stasis since 2017 where nobody knows what's fucking happening and nobody knows who they actually support. Honestly the next election is going to be a fucking shit-show: I have no idea who will win or how.



wait… isn't the marxist position that the EU is gay and we should leave it?



I'm a Marxist and I'm not even sure I'm pro-Brexit (I voted remain anyway). Most of the Labour membership are not Marxists but liberals and leftwingers, and even the ones who are are more Eurocommies like me than ardently independent like perhaps Corbyn's generation.

I see Europe as a lesser evil to US control which is the only alternative.



I have a feeling it was pretty decentralised and just done by random wanks. It's the most british shitposting I've ever seen and honestly brings a tear to my eye. Makes you proud to be a bong.



so you would like the EU to reform instead?

anyways the first week after brexit will be epic and I can't wait



Yeah I guess, I don't see what the alternative is. Clearly Brexit is unworkable as has been demonstrated now a million times over. I mean what, we're going to let the Troubles start back up again?


Eh the thing is I do think the EU can be reformed but such reform is impossible with the UK as a part of it.


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I listened to a debate the other day about lexit/reform which made a convincing case that the UK was the only real opponent to German liberal hegemony within the EU. Its just that we didn't actually do anything to oppose them because no one really gave much of a shit about eu politics until now.

Without the UK in it it may just get even more shitty and aggressive with neoliberal policy to its members until it collapses from French style anger.

Additionally, its not as if we actually have to follow EU law while in the bloc. The UK was actually one of the member nations that followed each EU law the most even though we probably had the least to lose from it.

Whereas we could just fuck the laws off, especially as we are not in the euro so they can't fuck us in the economy like Greece.

It convinced me that a labout government in the EU with some belligerence could possibly get away with some stuff and make some change too.



>literally playing a shell game for the bantz








The best part is that Charlie Kirk thinks this is positive press…

The absolute dolt. Tbh I doubt the fake accounts will ever be properly dealt with, especially considering there is already a British org called Turning Point.


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haha good bantz my friend ~_^

but seriously that would be a humanitarian tragedy and the IRA was barely socialist to begin with, it certainly wouldn't be nowadays.



To add to that image, invalid votes only made up 0.99% of the total vote.



Wasn't this a period with massive issues about Norn Catholics not being on electoral rolls though?



It's going by the total voting population at the time but I suppose you could have a point, if they were really not on the rolls they wouldn't be counted there either - HOWEVER a vote boycott is always the cowards/scoundrels option just like in VZ when 'i declare myself interim president' guy did it. When you know you can't win the election just declare it has no legitimacy and hope nobody noticed that it was mathematically impossible for you to win anyway.



>I see Europe as a lesser evil to US control which is the only alternative.

The US establishment is very pro-EU and anti-Brexit though. I don't know where you get this idea that the EU and US are in opposition.


>Yeah I guess

The EU is designed the way it is for a reason. It is not going to allow itself to be reformed.

>I don't see what the alternative is

And you claim to be a Marxist?

>Clearly Brexit is unworkable

Oh yes, clearly any sort of actual change that might risk conflict is unworkable.



>The US establishment is very pro-EU and anti-Brexit though. I don't know where you get this idea that the EU and US are in opposition.

Not really, loads of US orgs funded the leave campaign. And US liberals don't really give a shit about the EU.



this has got to be one the most fucking British thing on twitter.



Yeah let's instead critically support actual fucking reactionaries and nationalists because that will somehow lead to socialism.

The polite US establishment is only mildly pro-EU because it's a secondary defence against Russia, people like Trump and his hard rightist fans fucking hate the idea of internationalism. it's hardly so black and white.


>The EU is designed the way it is for a reason. It is not going to allow itself to be reformed.

Oh well let's just throw it away then, because being totally isolated in the world is better. And how many times have leftists tried to throw away existing institutions and work from the ground up and it turns out great? Not to mention the party in power is THE FUCKING TORIES. Yeah true heroes of the working class there. It's either Brussels or Westminster? I pick Brussels right now.

You claim to be a Marxist when you'll jump on any populist fad because it feels edgy? Restarting the Northern Ireland conflict wouldn't be good for anyone, I'm not opposed to conflict when it might actually mean something but not petty nationalist squabbles.

Really which is it? Do you want to be the US far right's bitch instead of part of the EU? Or maybe we'll take the third option and hop on the belt road in a reverse Hong Kong kind of situation?

Europe is the only power which MIGHT actually be able to be turned genuinely left wing. If Europe is divided it will be consumed by the US/Russia/China power blocs and all will be lost.



Tbh the best part about all of this is that their entire attempts at social media strategy have no just shat the bed: orgs like these rely on getting the word out through edgy videos popping-up on their TL. With a load of fake ones that can't really work. It is praxis to the T.


Lol so much for Corbyn. So much for the 10d chess. That’s what happens when you discount the working class as a revolutionary force and try to work within the parliamentary system. Only when workers revolt like with the yellow vests can change happen.



>Lol so much for Corbyn.

did something happen, or..?



apologies, I'm a retard. (can the title be changed back pls)


Would the working class revolutionise themselves out of the EU, or attempt to revolutionise the EU to change it from within.



Oh right only when workers pull a yellow vest can anything happen: so in the meantime we masturbate waiting for the revolt?


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Yeah how's that yellow vests thing working out? Jupiter Ascending still in power and refusing to go, people running out of money and having to go back to work soon?… It's been months and nothing achieved. I sympathize with them by god but is that really your example of success?

This shit is hopeless anyway, might as well eat a bullet before having to experience Boris Johnson winning the next GE.pugib



The working class revolting without any leadership had more of an impact than the 10d chess that Corbyn was pretending to play. The yellow vests is a monumental step in the right direction. What is is now needed is a revolutionary vanguard.



there's a legitimate question to be asked as to whether the vote matters tbf.

i mean territorial legitimacy is always ultimately a bit arbitrary. you can say "oh, it's down to the people who live there", but would that make it legitimate for Britain to reintegrate Ireland as a whole by shipping 5 million Britons into the Irish Republic and having them swing a vote on reunification with the UK? What if we waited a generation first? Two? Three? It's a stupid example, but the principle is pretty sound. If you're going to say "No, Ireland is fundamentally ireland" then a referendum that includes the British people who happen to be occupying it isn't of particular relevance.

don't know why i'm doing this i don't really want to have an argument about the Irish border it's just that the wider question of legitimacy is interesting


Brussels is dominated by the European People's Party (i.e. the European tories.) though. The President of the European Council, President of the European Commission and the President of the European Parliament are all from the EPP and the EPP is pretty substantially represented at all levels.

>Europe is the only power which MIGHT actually be able to be turned genuinely left wing.

this is why Britain should leave tbh. Britain is and always has been a right-wing influence on the development of the EU. Even under Corbyn it is inherently in our character that we'll fuck the project up.

basically for me it's a centre-left, left-third-wayish or dirigiste European Superstate with Britain as a left-wing satellite, rather than the status quo of Britain as a satellite of the right-wing USA and a backdoor entryist for US influence in the EU.


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This page should be fucking flamed imo.



There should be a Prager U UK tbh

<5 reasons LibTards XD want you to hate BAZED Thatcher

<5 ways gommunism has destroyed our country and how to fix it #1 "the NHS"

Then an oddly CryptoFash vid labelled something like "How many Muslims are enough?" Then wash rinse repeat…


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What should I do?



>the initiative

are you pretending to be a TP UK'er?




Wait did you set-up a fake TP-Edinburgh account?

Also tbh, I would just try to milk information from them.



>>2807013 (me)

Actually don't do that, instead try to appear legit and build interest, while slowly showing them things they've done. Crescendo with the fact that the org was founded because Charlie Kirk didn't get into uni and he blamed black people for it.



get them to say something endorsing/supportive of TPUSA (given it's a running joke) then share it in a few days or whatever once they're onto you

doesn't have to be massive you can probably do it with an easy leading question like "are you familiar with the work of our US branch?" or something like that.



Looks like Corbyn's Labour is dying out and the Tories are getting ahead.



I'm less pessimistic about the UK, but more about the EU (the Far-Right bloc in the EU parliament's going to overtake the third way/social democratic bloc after the next elections).

Honestly though, I'm deeply suspect of any left-wingers who voted Leave in 2016, but more so of anyone who claims to be on the left now but wants to re-enter the EU after March.


One poll that's a major outlier and everyone shits the bed.


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>Move to hot fuzz village with tiny population

>Go to the pub and everyone turns around and looks at me with a blank stare

>Order drink normally without spaghetti'ing (I swear) and drink it real fast while using the eyebrows at my disposal to raise and lower as if to say "alright lads"

>Leave realizing I'm not even from around here

I didn't sense aggression like you get in bigger chav towns. They just see outsiders as like aliens. I just wanted to go to the pub and drink but people just stare at you and it makes me uncomfortable. Even people barging me, crazy people nibbling my ear or absolute units challenging me to arm wrestles in bigger town pubs isn't as unnerving as the unison staring from the bumpkins.



>Honestly though, I'm deeply suspect of any left-wingers who voted Leave in 2016

Care to elaborate as to why? How long have you been involved in Left Politics in the UK? I didn't vote in the Referendum and I wasn't as informed Politically then as I am now (Still a Communist, just a babby one) and I was well aware that there was a serious case for "Lexit" from people much further Left than anyone who would have towed Benn's line.



About 6 years at this point I think, most of that time spent in the CP or Labour.

In short, because Lexit wasn't on the cards in 2016, which is why I dispiritedly voted Remain. The only political groups that were strong enough to influence what was going to happen in terms of the direction of the UK's politics were in the Conservative party, while Labour was a mess (and is still probably not in a state to bring in any sort of Bennite siege economy plan that we'd need if we face the sort of capital flight that are likely to occur).

To put it another way, the arguments for Lexit in abstract are correct, but the timing and strategy is all wrong. The ideal would have been to stay in the EU and wreck it from the inside (ignoring EU laws on state aid, spending, etc.) while building up Britian's economic capacity to leave the single market without causing a small-medium recession, because the EU, as yet, doesn't have a mechanism to expel a member state that doesn't want to go.

As a former member of this tradition, I will say that a lot of of the UK extra-parliamentary Left's thinking on Brexit was woefully lacking at the time, as you can see now with the SWP attempting to make a plausible case for why they supported Leave then, but don't now. Whether that's down to intellectual laziness, apathy or because they didn't actually think Leave would win I'm not sure.


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Well since the Brexit thing died down, what is up with Johnathan Pie? His RL actor Tom Walker said on a Channel 4 interview since he wanted to have good conversation yet his twitter feed and videos is just straight up downplaying and shutting down any and every liberal wokeness without any conversation. And his videos regarding that gets RT/shared most often than his Trump/Tories bashing so I am suspecting that right wingers are only using him as a rhetoric piece against woke liberalism. Also his co-writer works for the motherfucking Spectator of all places.


>people barging me, crazy people nibbling my ear or absolute units challenging me to arm wrestles




>You claim to be a Marxist when you'll jump on any populist fad because it feels edgy?

Fuck me, you're so fucking stupid it's unbelievable.


If you don't support leaving the EU you're not left wing its simple. The state of areas of the left,



Tbh I'm in the leave camp but I quite like the take in this thread about staying, but just for the purpose of completely shitting the place up and disobeying all the rules because there's no way to kick us out.



If you're in a country pub you need to chat to the barman/maid, ask about the area, show an interest. If you are speaking with the landlord, then jackpot. Then someone will likely buy-in if they hear you talk about so nothing you know and you go from there.

t. Bloke from semi-rural Hertfordshire's.



>staying, but just for the purpose of completely shitting the place up and disobeying all the rules because there's no way to kick us out.

The ChrisChan Brexit strategy.




Sir Humphrey approves.


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Some wankstain smashed-up Marx's grave.




No matter. We're stronger than our symbols.

You break a fascist by breaking his icons.



Who cares lol I doubt the man himself would give a shit.



is this the right being the new counter culture



Ok, yeah, I suspected it would be this and I actually agree, most of those who did advocate for such either weren't interested in attempting to bring a coherent plan to the table at the time or they were too fringe to have the ability to, not to mention that I don't think there was a large enough contingent in the Labour Party that would have supported it, I just wanted to know whether your opposition to it was ideological or strategic. Ironically I think that Labour is much better oriented to attempt such a thing now but I don't see it on the cards given the recent actions. My problem with this entire thing on either side is that fundamanentally no matter what happens the impact of Brexit in comparison to that of the next Recession is going to be several orders of magnitude smaller and that this is going to happen much quicker than any Left party or organization is going to be able to insulate against, because the mechanisms for such need to be much larger than they would for dealing with Brexit in either way that's proposed. Honestly I think anyone who is overly concerned with Brexit outside of within a tactical framework for Parliamentary rhetoric is sort of missing the forest for the trees and more work should be being done to ensure that Brexit plays second fiddle to the next Crisis and that they're not intertwined in culpability for each other.



>Ironically I think that Labour is much better oriented to attempt such a thing now but I don't see it on the cards given the recent actions.

The most likely outcome (assuming Labour was in power) is Single Market and Customs Union membership, no? In which case I don't see what the point of the entire endeavour was from a left perspective.

>Honestly I think anyone who is overly concerned with Brexit outside of within a tactical framework for Parliamentary rhetoric is sort of missing the forest for the trees and more work should be being done to ensure that Brexit plays second fiddle to the next Crisis and that they're not intertwined in culpability for each other.




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>If you're going to say "No, Ireland is fundamentally ireland" then a referendum that includes the British people who happen to be occupying it isn't of particular relevance.

Which is why Irish nationalism is fucking spooky reactionism. Northern Ireland includes the Brits, it doesn't matter whether you like it or not. Disqualifying people from a vote because of what happened 400 years ago is bunker on head retarded.



>couldn't do shit

Lol if I was gonna go deface Maggie's grave or something I would make sure to bring something powerful enough to break it in two.



I know the original footage from the first is soviet and tbh that doesn't fit the aesthetic I would think of, needs something more like this:


"Roy Jenkins, Autonomist" made me kek though.

What was missing was the classic Themes theme though.


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That's what I mean, if I was going to do it I would use a bulldozer instead. Where would I get a bulldozer, I dunno, but if I don't have one I wouldn't even try.

I can just picture the skinnyfat faggot getting more and more disheartened, swinging until his head is dizzy and painful and his arms are aching then staggering off defeated. Haha. Twat. Something like the 'plastic sign' guy but even more pathetic.



what about just getting a ladder?



Nothing less awkward than putting up a 10ft ladder in the middle of a public park to vandalise something.


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in the age of the drone this seems weirdly pointless

i mean i guess it stops people smashing it but covering it in paint must be easier and less risky than taking a selfie with a statue of someone people actually like.



but who would stop you though?



>The tories reverse police cuts to protect statues of Margaret Thatcher.



if all the cops are watching the statue nobody's watching her grave

just saying


>Labour membership has dropped slightly to 512k

<Breakdown as follows:

-104,000 Greater London

-68,000 North West

-62,000 South East

-48,000 Yorks and Humber

-44,000 South West

-39,000 East

-36,000 West Midlands

-33,000 East Midlands

-26,000 'North'

-26,000 Wales

-21,000 Scotland



Well yeah as much as I'm ideologically opposed to EU membership because it's an institution borne of Capitalist power consolidation, Competition and Imperialist interests that can never be reformed, it was essentially thrust upon the public at a moment whereby the Parliamentary Left wasn't prepared for it and that this is essentially the only outcome that could feasibly happen.

The issue is just as it has been for the entire time walking the tightrope of Bourgeois politics to ensure that you're not the one holding the bomb when it goes off, and this is just something you have to accept when it comes to using any kind of Electoral Strategy. Fence sitting with the implication that you'd "do it better" is about as much as Labour can muster right about now; they could pivot towards full ideological support for the party but all of the votes from the apolitical sectors of the working class who wish for brexit that would be gained would be lost from the Metropolitan Labour areas support remain. It may turn out with more votes overall but it's difficult to predict because it would hinge on the believability of such a move. It would be viciously attacked as an opportunist move in the media both on ideological & partisan grounds as simply rhetoric and you would be required to essentially cut off your nose to spite your face by taking a harder Brexit than is being threatened right now. If you win an Election off the back of that you're left with an immense task to rebuild the country whilst resisting what would amount to regime change from the international bourgeoisie. And then if you're in power whilst the next Crisis hits it will be perceived as Labour's mismanagement of Brexit, essentially killing them as a party and saving the Tories from their own incompetence whilst dooming the British Working class to becoming a Client state of the US whilst all of the public institutions are dismantled, wages & working conditions are devastated etc. etc.

It does seem that the only way to salvage such a situation would be to pivot away from Brexit, keeping a distance until the Tories resolve a shitty deal and then eventually sweeping into power and essentially sabotaging the institution of the EU from the inside whilst demostrating how hostile the EU is to the interests of the Working Class as a whole. It will then depend on how the Global Crisis impacts the EU itself as to further recourse.

Naturally this is a vague and incoherent outline but it's pretty much what I see as the only course for the Parliamentary Left in the UK given the timeline of events over the past few years. As to the role of the Communists & Anarchists existing outside of Parliamentary Politics I believe they need to act as a foil to the Parliamentary Left at this given moment in time, adapting to their failures and successes with rapid flexibility, but that's a whole other conversation as to the measure of collaboration between them.






Its only natural that a good deal of people who joined to vote in the leadership election or in the whirlwind of the GE just don't bother or care to pay their membership fee and tune out and we can except several thousand more to do so over the coming months, its small change however and the retention is rather good given the party membership was less than half what it is now before Corbyn, and we may well get another, probably not quite so great, boost in membership when the next election campaign starts.

Opportunistic tabloid and beeb hacks just jumping on literally anything to convince the world that ackshually corbyn is deeply unpopular with labour members, a something they hope will become true if they say it enough times.

Wish someone would run the figures on the tories' non-existent party membership and how it dwindles at an accelerated pace every winter.



This is great news. Workers are realizing that the bourgeois political parties are not viable vehicles for advancing their interests. I fully expect there to be strikes outside the grip of the labor unions and in this struggle it will be clearly revealed that Corbyn does not stand for the interests of the working class and is rather a sheepdog.



I don't neccessarily disagree with you but you sound exactly like a Salty Trot right now and I think you should put your flag back on.



tbh sounds more like a cpgbml-tard about to call corbyn a social fascist imperialist




Workers are being presented by no decent option by both the Tories and Corbyn's party and this is what matters?




Inb4 they're from the Neo-SDP.


me when the labour membership number goes up: it's just arrogant students, the real workers know better than to join a party of self-interested bourgeois and malicious social fascists

me when the labour membership goes down: the workers have realised that they can achieve nothing within a party of self-interested bourgeois and malicious social fascists


[spoiler]*taps glass* ahem[spoiler]





Lmao shut the fuck up with your concern trolling about someone virtue signalling on an imageboard. If you want to converse about that we can but one liners straight out of the playbook of irrelevant microparties isn't quality analysis or discourse so let us not pretend it is.


wait wtf jim sillars was a firefighter

i'm half sure i'd heard that before but it's not exactly the first occupation to come to mind for a politician, particularly not a politician with a track record of burning things down.



What is a decent option, what is indecent about Labour's 'option' and what do the workers right now want in your view?



Yeah I just joined to vote Corbyn and didn't bother with keeping up my subscription.

Hacks should go kill themselves, they contribute nothing to society



If 48% voted remain and a sizeable number of people now regret being pro-Brexit because of the shambles it is, surely a 'decent option' or 'what the workers want' is to remain in the EU, perhaps for it to be reformed, but it's certainly not an ill-defined 'left Brexit' that Corbyn hasn't even spoken out in favour of.



What is your profession and background lad, just curious, esp considering your flag



Who let this EU apologist onto this board?

The EU is controlled by neoliberals and the Euro itself is a tool of German imperialism. Every sane leftist who has analyzed the situation rationally wants to break free from it, from Corbyn to Melenchon to Popular Unity in Greece. It cannot be reformed. It is literally inscribed into the EU founding treaties that you cannot carry out deficit spending above a certain level, and the whole point of free movement of labor is to drive down wages. Austerity and the shrinking of socdem protections is the only purpose the EU serves.


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I guess the libdems were the revolutionary vanguard all along, we should've never doubted



leftism isn't about what the workers want, it's about what the workers ought to have. well for marxist analysis it's more "what they will deliver" but you quickly proxy that into what they ought to have.


>It is literally inscribed into the EU founding treaties that you cannot carry out deficit spending above a certain level

nah that's only true for the eurozone. britain could double spending tomorrow with no tax increases and the EU couldn't do much more than send us a document suggesting that a 100% budget deficit lacks good precedent.



Then why is the UK still signed onto the Maastricht Treaty according to the BBC? It is still enforceable according to EU law.




I think the anon is referring to the Euro compact over deficit spending.



because the Maastricht Treaty, like all European treaties, is a big long confusing tome of a thing.

but basically the Maastricht criteria are the Euro convergence criteria, they only define the conditions and requirements of becoming and being a Eurozone member. If, like Britain, you have an opt out and make use of it, or like Sweden are notionally supposed to join the Euro at some point but can just intentionally fail the criteria by never joining ERM2, you can basically ignore it.

I can't think of a comical analogy so here's a wikipedia article for people who want something to click:



Nah the European Fiscal Compact/Stability compact/etc is a different thing that also has nothing to do with us and means bad times for Eurozone members. (but then that's the only kind of time available for Eurozone members.)



>Nah the European Fiscal Compact/Stability compact/etc is a different thing

Oh I thought you were talking about deficit limitations, which for eurozone states comes from that.



well, the maastricht criteria also had some woolly deficit restrictions (with scope for 'exceptional and temporary excesses') which everyone kind of ignored because hey it's 2006, we've proved economists who said the euro won't work wrong, the era of boom and bust is over and nothing could possibly go wrOHDEAR



that quote is very problematic, I don't think thats how scots is written at all



That isna scot tho, that's Glaswegian.



don't they just write normal



It's pretty common to transcribe dialects phonetically for the purposes of comedy: also naecunt is a dialectical word.


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It's about as good as can be done for this quote, there's not many words to Glaswegian-ify. Also its not scots, Scots is different.

T. Glaswegian parents living in Northern England




Also yeah a lot of people write they're accent into text, if you've even seen Scottish Twitter for example. Same thing where in Northern England we write nowt and a lot of other words into text.



A lot of Scottish twitter is actually Scots mind, but yeah.

Also fucking love the word nowt, is good shit.



Lol, I am unemployed currently (shocker I know), previously was working supermarket retail but couldn't keep up with the variable hours

One time I saw an anarchist homelessness protest when coming home from the train station and spoke to one of the 40yo guys and he accused me of being middle class, absolutely no chill. So yeah I dunno, I'm like lower middle class I guess, we always had books and watched BBC at my house growing up but we were broke as fuck too.

Oh and the flag is just because I respect the doomed struggle against tyranny.


I believe more in the potential of the EU than the institution itself, I consider staying in the European sphere of influence and developing a Euro superstate is the only hope for a liberal non-reactionary superpower in the next century, even if it doesn't get to socialism, and I think it might, who knows. I understand that the EU is a neoliberal institution but 'lesser evil-ism' makes me think it's better than the alternative I guess.


Ok lad, if you think I'm such a dumbfuck, what is your solution to the Irish border issue? Because since it can't be solved, Brexit is impossible. You can't give a magical solution like 'oh all the nationalists emigrate to Northhampton'


>leftism isn't about what the workers want, it's about what the workers ought to have.

I can't tell if this is agreeing with my point or not. I agree democracy isn't per se always the best approach, I would still disagree with Brexit if the majority were for it, but it was a response to that anon.



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>institution started by West German and French bourgoisie has left-wing potential

>bissful reform to deprive booj of their bower :DDD

How many fucking times do we need to go over this?


I find it funny that the right is pissing themselves over Marx's grave being attacked, but it's not even a symbolic victory but some autist who couldn't even do the job properly.



A factory started by reactionary capitalists to make manacles can be used to make the people's nuts and bolts. What's your point?

Please address this point or GTFO

> what is your solution to the Irish border issue? Because since it can't be solved, Brexit is impossible. You can't give a magical solution like 'oh all the nationalists emigrate to Northhampton'



I mean unemployment in my age group (24) is incredibly high in the UK so yeah it's no shocker. The "Official" figure is just under 12% as of November but you can usually round about double it to get a truly accurate one. 37% of the 16-25 age group are classified as "economically inactive" as well, and only 3/4 of those are in education, the rest are likely off the grid entirely (NEET & Working Cash in hand most likely). That brings up the rough total if we say the "Unofficial" figure for Youth Unemployment is around 20% + the 9.5% "Economically Inactive" and you're hitting almost 30% of 16-25 year olds that aren't working or studying. Even those that are employed though, how many do you think are Part-Time, Zero Hours or otherwise "Self-Employed" or contracted? It's likely a large amount, especially as you move up the age scale. Firms are pretty fond of employing the Youngest possible here because the wages are so much lower, so really, how many of the youth in the UK are able to support themselves off the back of their own labour? Likely not very many and I doubt the prospect is much greater for anyone who was coming of age when the Recession hit. Everything is fucked.

The sleight about being "Middle Class" or whatever is something I mostly ignore it's usually the Communist version of "You're White" or some other Intersectional Scarlet Letter. Of course we are all deeply influenced by our Class Backgrounds & Positions but assuming that someone is wrong because they're not Working Class or that if they're not Working Class they must neccessarily be dishonest often borders on Workerism. Ironically I used to be incredibly "Classist" against those who I perceived as Rich when I was younger because I'm from a very rough background but as I turned from apolitical SocDem into Communist that went away.



United Ireland, all the nationalists forcibly relocated into the sea.




Shit, wrong thread




Same poster here, are the IRA viewed positively by British Irish? My community is such shit hat they raise the south Vietnamese flag for diversity



>South vietnam flag for diversity

Where the fuck is this? that sounds like the most orange thing imaginable




Among the Irish ex-pats you've either got the standard pro-IRA feeling but a dislike for their tactics or the bunch that want to be Brits so they disavow the IRA HARD. Of course you've got some ex-pats who had to flee the IRA due to being drug dealers so they're pretty anti-IRA too. Among the second gens IRA popularity is probably the largest and it dwindles with the third gens. Now about the INLA, most people have no fucking clue about them anymore unless they had family in Norn or in bandit country, about half of them being anti-INLA as they don't like their left wing politics but still being supportive of their actions.

t. Second gen who grew up in N.I and the UK



Also of course I'm referring to the PIRA, the RIRA is reviled in most places.



Most people haven't heard of them, even in leftwing circles.

Also tbh the funniest thing I have seen in Manchester was hearing chants in the toilet of "OOHH AHH UP THE RA" and "FUCK THE IRA, FUCK THE IRAAAYYYYYY" in the same club about a week apart.


Also important thing to note is that in Mainland GB most people think the IRA was like one singular, cohesive organisation that sprung-up overnight to bomb norn into being a part of the Republic rather than the real clusterfuck we know it to be. To most mainlanders, the IRA was the ones bombing their post offices and nowt much more. Also most people couldn't tell you anything about Sunningdale or the Ulster Council Workers' strike or the NICRA or Bloody Sunday: it's a real blindspot in our education.



>Rejected by London because of fears about vandalism and disorder, a controversial £300,000 statue of Margaret Thatcher will be erected in her home town of Grantham after a council planning committee voted unanimously in favour of it.




Even better is he is using the money to fund someone from Leeds to have a paid lawyer internship.



I wonder how long it'll be before it will be vandalised?

A day?



They put it on a 10ft plinth to prevent that.



Good on the man: I knew he wouldn't keep it (Corbynites who have won these kind of lawsuits never do) but that honestly seems like a great idea.

Tbh was Labour needs is its own legal wing: works well for the DSА.



2 days then.


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Would be good (I'd like the job)

The big unions have in-house and out-house legal teams - there's even one law firm - Thompson's which exclusively does work with trade unions, I think.



Tbh I've been thinking of writing a manifesto on refounding Momentum with structures like the DSА, purely because the DemSocsAm do some really good internal stuff (they have a vets group, various thematic groupings, aesthetics and as mentioned, the in-house lawyers).



It's true though.

Obviously leftypol isn't fond of eceleb discussion, but how do the comlads feel about Badmouse's recent transition to Marxism? He's a Brit so its vaguely relevant.



Watched one video by PT where he was discussing some book by an American black woman about white people and as with every Brit on "breadtube" he completely failed to realise at any point it wasn't about the UK.

Sick of Brits importing American culture war shit and not saying a single thing about the UK tbh, makes it pretty clear they don't give a fuck about anything but their patreon money.



If thats the one where he's talking about the amount of black people in philosophy education I imagine the numbers are still probably fairly similar, if not worse in the UK.

If that's not what your referring to please elaborate.



It's this, decided to watch it as a litmus test on whether his brain was as soy damaged as his beard.




Havent seen that one, though it seems like a really weird starting point honestly, he has videos on Marx, dialectics, all sorts of stuff that you might actually like.

It kind of looks like you purposefully picked a race based video so you could get triggered about >muh idpol



I was subscribed because he gets recommended every five minutes and it caught my eye when it came up in my sub feed. Decided to make it the first one I'd watch so I could tell how poisoned by American politics he was before bothering with anything else. Left with the conclusion he'll say anything for those American burger bucks.



That seems like a really stupid way to determine someone's politics but whatever, no point arguing if you've already made up your mind.


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I actually decided to go and watch something else by him since maybe I was just being hard work and he's not making it easy.



im probably gonna stop replying now cus I feel bad for shitting up the thread, but doesn't he actually argue that "love" in politics doesn't mean anything? Because that's certainly his position now. Anyway, for good videos id recommend the monarchy one, and actually maybe his most recent one of fascism if you can put up with humour and semi pretentious artsy stuff


Is ML or syndicalism better in optics in the isles?



Literally anything is better in terms of optics in Britain than ML.

As for syndicalism, the only profile it has are SolFed stickers on signs.



>SolFed stickers on signs

Blessed timeline. When the Demsucc unions are cucked it looks like it's going to be them leading from an outsider perspective



Ignore shitposting flag



>DemSoc unions are cucked

Wut, mainstream union militancy is at its highest since the '80s.

Also tbh, if you want a right proper militant british union: the IWGB is lit.




Oh look nobody could answer my question, what a fucking shocker. Get the fuck out and don't come back until you can argue honestly and not just circlejerk about how leaving the EU to be controlled by far right reactionaries is a good thing.


Yeah I dunno, I could find a shitty job somewhere but I wasn't happy when I was working and I'm not happy now so what difference does it make? Might as well at least not let Porky profit from my labour.



Your questions are dumb and your worldview is dumb bucko.



Eat my cock



Do you believe in having another brexit referendum? Won't that be too much democracy?



Oh shit, didn't know that. I Only thought the IWGB was small as shit.

Is there any ideological cohesiveness/ good relations?



Ideological cohesiveness? Nah, IWGB is almost 100% praxis-based.



Thicc ol' umbrella non sectarian org has me erect.

It's the perfect fit for the conditions you face. There's not enough leftism, what's there is autisticly sectarian, yet socialism is still venerated.

I think this differs from the U.S, due to my fellow burger leftists being sectarian autists, and making the U.S IWW the only competent org.

I know they (IWGB) branched out from the IWW, is the U.K branch so autistic that they reee about Stalin?


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Problem 1: EU has banned socialism

Problem 2: No left wing case made for leaving EU

Solution: Remain in the EU :DDDD



So how does leaving help? Im not fully pro or anti brexit at this point, but how could you possibly argue that leaving the EU will be helpful for socialism?



Cases for leave:

Removes state aid and nationalisation rules

Stops our nationalised sectors turning to shit over time

Stops capital and economic flight

Allows non-major EU states to break away and join us, and encourages France to come join us

Cases against leave:

We can ignore the rules and just pay fines for breaking them

WTO also has similar rules to the EU (but the WTO is toothless, ignored by numerous signatories, and is currently being burnt down by Trump, and the USA is the biggest influence within it)

We can reform the EU (this one's bullshit but crops up every five minutes)

Muh workers rights (only relevant at time of the referendum, now Labour is much more secure and can guarantee the rights)

Leaving will cause a decline in economic growth (not a recession)


lowkey concerned we're going to leave without a deal and it's going to interfere with my life.

especially since that minister said there's no time to pass the legislation needed to leave before March 29. No time to pass legislation to leave implies no time to pass legislation to postpone leaving to buy time to get a deal which means leaving by default.



> but how could you possibly argue that leaving the EU will be helpful for socialism?

It would remove America's little fucking bitch from the EU, enabling them to drift further away from American policy in general.


god damn every so often i just read up on the economist and find it's a bad take singularity.

like in my head they're just blairites/clintonites, but they aren't, they're slightly right wing - just right wing enough to confirm that they're not just well meaning lickspittle morons, they're shits.

perhaps it is a heartening sign that wherever the consensus is drifting, it is drifting away from them and they're being forced to look nostalgically on governments - like blair's - which at the time disappointed them, having come off the revolutionary zeal of the 1980s and believing the day would be theirs forever.

but they're still shits. fuck the economist and fuck their stylish frontpages.



Because the EU is a fundamentally capitalist institution, you can't reform it (what Eurocommunist have tried to do) and it will fuck you even if you try to stop austerity (look at Greece or Italy). Even if Brexit is being handled by the right it doesn't matter since a future left wing government will be able to renegotiate any anti-socialist rules still in place. Leaving the EU is the first step to British socialist. (Also why the fuck would you want to be in the EU now its falling apart, once Britain and France leaves its going to be fucked)



Lol. My stepdad says that exact thing even though he's pro-remain.


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back on the Lexit bus lads



The fuck…



from what I can tell, a Thatcherite professor decided to give an anti-Brexit lecture at Cambridge naked, because *ah hem* "Brexit Leaves Britain Naked".

That literally seems to be the level of thought that's gone into it.



>/leftypol/ goes outside



Wait she's a Thatcherite? Kekekekek.



>Thatcherite professor

Oh thank god, i thought it was just liberals being liberals again


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Her works include "Classical liberalism: the foundation for a new economics?" and wrote a fawning chapter on Milton Friedman in a book on "Great Economic Thinkers".

Basically on the weird Libertarian wing of the Womens' Equality Party.


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ahaha, oh god her CapX articles are even dumber.





nobody takes her seriously, she just presents herself as an erection-inducing visual object



not my proudest fap anyway



Feckin wew lad.

Also lamo at "ibertain wing of the WEP", since they advocate for more childcare social nets and shit.


What's the general view on Corbyn's new proposals? Keeps Britain in the single market, customs union etc. for the interim period, which seems to imply that we'll retain FoM. EU have welcomed it, although all it seems to mean in practice is that we won't have any influence over EU affairs (not that the UK did anyway).



Pretty fucking dumb by the sounds of it, hope it's one of the things that can be filed under "Labour Trolling".



EU seems to be ok with it, but no-one's in the UK is going to like it. Doesn't matter if it works or not. Only slightly worth it if it looks like it might break the conservatives, and even then, perhaps May would adopt it with labour support on condition of a delay or something, but that would also break the conservatives.


is "the big issue is dystopian" a contentious take on the left or am i alright to mouth off in the pub about how it's an example of the worst kind of puritan work ethic tory bullshit imaginable?


i mean look at this

look at it

>Earning their own money reduces dependency on hand-outs from the state, charities and the public - a fact not lost on the Prime Minister [Cameron] who described The Big Issue as ‘a fantastic example of how we can reduce dependence on state hand-outs’.

>Yet very few people choose to take this opportunity …successive governments have made it possible and acceptable for huge numbers of people to claim sizeable hand-outs which leave them disinclined to go out and earn their own money.

>…we would call on the government to tackle the culture of benefit dependency which has rendered so many people unwilling to work.


>Bird [one of the founders of The Big Issue] revealed in 2010 “My guilty secret is that I’m really a working class Tory. There, I’ve said it. I’d love to be a liberal because they’re the nice people but it’s really hard work – I can’t swallow their gullibility and I think their ideas are stupid. I’d love to be someone who wanders around in a kind of Utopian paradise seeing only the good in everybody but I just can’t. I support capital punishment for a start. I know this will destroy my reputation among middle-class liberals but I’m 64 now and I should be able to breathe a bit. Wearing the corsetry of liberalism means that every now and then you have to take it off.

Ah yes.

I dunno, there doesn't seem to be any far-left (or even just left) takes on it and I'm not sure if it's because The Big Issue isn't as large/well known as I think it is so it'd be like having a left-wing polemic against The Shetland Times, or because it's not something anyone wants to wade into, or because people basically think it's fine.

Am I just obsessed?



Looks like I'll be taking the money off her



Looking like it might be Cumbrian floods 2 electric boogaloo comlads

and by 2 I mean the next in are seemingly endless flooding

also nothing confirmed yet but it's not looking great up here lads



Stay safe anon.



I'm down in Blackpool if you can make it this far, I have a couch a visitor could crash on if needed


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I dreamt that my mum arranged a workshop, with 5 professionals, but only 4 kids showed up, one being me. One of them I recognised as my childhood friend, and we were all about 8. (I am 18 now). As my mum announced that she was disappointed that only so few kids showed up, my friend started crying for real…

One of the teachers was fucking Jeremy Corbyn, and he had narcolepsy for some reason, but he looked really cute when sleeping. I asked him about pescetarianism (IRL i would have asked about something like semidirect democracy but in dreams I think about the dumbest things), but he didn't reply. Most of the dream was spent being euphoric that daddy Corbyn was in my vicinity

before I got a message from my sugar daddy that someone in his apartment had suicide bombed, killing 18 people, and I was suddenly teleported to a game world where I did matrix-level dodges and saved the remaining people in the apartment from being killed.

Fuck I want to meet Corbyn




I live on a pretty big hill, so if it reaches me we'll have much more to worry about than flooding, but thanks for the solidarity comlads.

If it's is gonna kick off properly it hasn't yet, and its still could hopefully blow over, though the water levels are unusually high and the wind is like 70ish MPS.

I'll be fine personally I imagine, but I'll let you all know how the situation develops.



mph I mean


>Corbyn proposes a deal that the EU head says is promising

<Liberals autistically screech about it being unworkable


Welcome to a future Labour government lads. God I hope Corbyn wins purely from the perspective that these wankstains will collectively shit themselves.


>Farage has registered a party with the EC

Fucking kek.



>The Bank even sees a one-in-four chance of the economy slipping into recession in the second half of this year.

is it going to happen lads?



Oh most certainly: even the Krauts are on the verge of recession.


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He we fucking go


>kids in my brothers school make fun of you if you're a tory

Maybe the kids will be alright.



They're all getting purged without a doubt at this point, so they're screeching in hope they can wreck and keep a career out of it.


Update: At this moment things are seeming a bit more calm, wind has calmed down a little bit, and there's no flooding at the moment, though water levels in rivers are definitely considerably higher than normal from what I've seen.

I guess it depends on how bad it rains tonight and how windy it gets/continues to be.

Will update if the situation deteriorates, but if nothing happens ill stop shitting up the thread.


Looks like Turning Point UK's falling apart. Tom Harwood's begun to deny he's connected to them in any official capacity, and they've deleted their board and scrubbed their website.



Get a dinghy and go save people if it gets crazy. DUAL POWER!


The UK is nowhere near the level of burgerbrains required for them to take off, no matter how much despondent Brits like to think otherwise.



Good to hear. My bin got knocked over yesterday which is how you know it's bad so much not be good down there.


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that didnt last long



>A no-confidence motion in the Labour MP Luciana Berger has been withdrawn and a meeting to discuss her future has been cancelled

>It is understood that the decision was made by the Liverpool Wavertree party after considerable pressure from the central party and Corbyn’s office.

Is there a good reason for this or is Corbyn just a spineless faggot?



One of the guys that was pushing the motion went around calling her a Zionist shill, was a 9/11 truther, and went around saying Bibi was arming ISIS: so not exactly the best kind of bloke.

Also tbh, it is a tactical move that will gain him brownie points.



That's a bit shit, was hoping this melt would be gone.



Fitting that the cpgbml's article ruminates on a week being a long time in politics given that their accusation of corbyn edging towards endorsing a second referendum is out of date less than two days later.


Can the PLP throw a tantrum like this every time the local party memberships move to remove their MP or might this have been their one get out of jail free card and next time they'll quietly watch as a blairite is purged?



It just plays into the ‘antisemitism’ and ‘poor victimised centrists’ narratives and loses an opportunity to humiliate Berger by showing how much her own activists despise her. Corbyn is always trying to appease and it gets him nowhere.



>Can the PLP throw a tantrum like this every time the local party memberships move to remove their MP or might this have been their one get out of jail free card and next time they'll quietly watch as a blairite is purged?

Oh several already have, it's specifically because she's jewish and one of the guys pushing it a was a nutjob. Honestly as far as MPs goes she's actually soft-left (she served in Corbyn's first shadow cabinet but left in the chicken coup) just rabidly pro-EU.


Eh honestly, if she had been deselected the antisemitism thing would be way worse and it could have caused a party split (imagine people saying "well I left Labour because they started purging JEWISH MPs).



>she's actually soft-left

She’s viciously anti-Corbyn though, which might say more about her lack of integrity than her politics.

>just rabidly pro-EU.

She’s also pro-Israel and pro-imperialism (e.g she supports the coup in Venezuela).

>the antisemitism thing would be way worse and it could have caused a party split (imagine people saying "well I left Labour because they started purging JEWISH MPs).

I disagree. She wouldn’t have been the first Blairite MP to go through a vote of no-confidence (which doesn’t amount to deselection). The facts of the case speak for themselves and anyone who promotes the antisemitism crap probably was never going to vote Labour anyway.


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Hope you all voted leave in 2016 lads


So short update, a few roads have been closed either due to high tide or patches of flooding, nothing too major as of yet, but not a great sign. Will keep updates if it gets considerably worse/ it blows over.



>I disagree. She wouldn’t have been the first Blairite MP to go through a vote of no-confidence (which doesn’t amount to deselection). The facts of the case speak for themselves and anyone who promotes the antisemitism crap probably was never going to vote Labour anyway.

Eh the threat was that this could be an acute catalyst for a direct split because "An MP is being deselected because she is jewish", Corbyn is right to give ground here, nothing is lost even if nothing is gained. It's less about voters and more about image.



The people pushing the motion withdrew it, why the fuck does everyone think Corbyn gets control of everything?


>One of the guys that was pushing the motion went around calling her a Zionist shill, was a 9/11 truther, and went around saying Bibi was arming ISIS: so not exactly the best kind of bloke.

Nothing but truth found in these statements.


Er, no. She's fucking shit.


Stop that. There's no point getting into power with a bunch of fully dedicated wreckers.



>a direct split

Having these people defect to the Lib Dems, or start a new party (which makes zero sense IMO when the Lib Dems already fill that niche) would be better for Labour than having them on the inside wrecking. If there were an advantage to them in splitting they would have done it already.


>The people pushing the motion withdrew it, why the fuck does everyone think Corbyn gets control of everything?

Corbyn was pressuring them to do it.



<Corbyn was pressuring them to do it.

>Corbyn's office

>Labour’s deputy leader, Tom Watson, wrote to the party’s general secretary, Jennie Formby, to ask her to suspend the Liverpool Wavertree party.

Pretty sure it's spin lad.


In terms of where we were in 2016 how many Blairite MPs have left and who are left? From what I know: John Woodcock, Tristram Hunt , Tom Blenkinsop, Iain Wright and I think there are a few more who were backbenchers during the Blair years have all gone. It looks like Chris Leslie, Ian Austin and Chuka Umunna will be deselected soon. Ben Bradshaw will probably step down soon because he's fucking old



There are about 5-10 "hard Corbyn sceptics", the number 12 is used a lot but two have already gone (John Woodcock, and Ivan Lewis). It's hard to pin down exactly who the "12 plotters" are, but there are a few names that constantly come up. Gotta remember Jess Phillips is still around although she has weirdly softened her stance and anti-Corbynism recently: even though Miss Clinton was originally a hard critic.

Honestly it's up in the air right now because there is no way to tell what people are really peeved about: some about brexit, some about antisemitism, some about MUH TRAITOR!!!, and some because they're Blairite wreckers who though Ed Miliband was a red (no really). Now these are different grievances that motivate people in different ways. For example, David Lammy may huff and puff about a second referendum, but he's not gonna leave to form a centrist party (mostly because apart from the EU he is basically hard-left in most things), but the Blairite wreckers want to leave but need a good reason. I'm not sure why tbh, the SDP didn't actually have a reason for splitting apart from "Foot Man Bad", and unironically Labour & the SDP were outpolling Thatcher until the FUCKING ARGIES INVADED THE FALKLANDS. But yeah, a Labour split will happen, I am 100% sure of this: it's just scale and severity we have to be careful about. What Corbyn's office did yesterday was a smart tactical move to be frank, and I rate it.

The interesting part is that Farage appears to be launching a new party, which means we could see a split from the tory right into that. Also also the SDP has about 15k members now. And we have to remember that if some new centrist party is formed, then a couple tory wets will go along and join it.

With all that considered, this is what the national british political spectrum of parties with any visibility will look like (from right to left):

UKIP, Farage Party, Tories, Lib Dems, Centrist Grouping, SDP, Labour, and Greens.

The 2019 election is gonna be fucking lit.



>greens being left wing

They are centrist now, they have gone full neo-liberal and most of the left wing members have quite to join labour. I doubt the SDP will get much bigger but might win a few council seats in May. But also who the fuck knows anymore



Tbh I think the SDP will be Green tier in terms of size: they'll gain a couple MPs in really secure areas, get some local and some representation in devolved regions, and have a decent profile for a party of its size.

Also tbh they're not centrist, the Greens are still doing shit like calling for a 4 day week: they're basically keynesian socdems now.



>Blairite wreckers who though Ed Miliband was a red

this is my favourite thing, i've had blairites tell me Ed Miliband was a trot lmao

>the SDP didn't actually have a reason for splitting apart from "Foot Man Bad",

nah this is inaccurate, a bunch of people who left to form the SDP decided to do so before Foot was leader. Some of them voted for Foot in the belief he was less of a threat to a new party than Healey, who had been taking their votes in the leadership contest for granted as the candidate of the labour-right.

basically throughout the 1970s the party membership was far to the left of the government. like, the split between the government + PLP and party conference was almost comical. conference were passing motions like demanding the biggest banks in the country be nationalised at the same time as the government was just trying to hang on to power praying for a miracle. perhaps more than anything though, the labour party membership rejected EEC membership in 1975 http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/26/newsid_2503000/2503155.stm while most of the SDP were of a pro-European bent. (Though David Owen is pro-Brexit i think? He is an odd one.)

the big difference, of course, is that Roy Jenkins, Shirley Williams and David Owen were big national level figures of some stature - an ex chancellor and defence secretary amongst them. Meanwhile any Blairites who leave will be utter nonentities that nobody should or would take seriously. They rank more forgettably than Bill Rodgers, even if he is only remembered by me, for having a funny biography title. ("Fourth Among Equals")



Tbh on the Red Ed thing, one of the funniest things is that a lot of the post 2015 election pre 2015 leadership election dissection from the party was "we were too leftwing, we need to basically readopt Blairism wholeheartedly". How that turned around is quite entertaining.

Oh the SDP, happy to be correct honestly. You're right about the lack of figures (it's why everyone of that bent is gagging for David Miliband to return from over the water because he has done stuff). I mean the best a lot of these people have is maybe a lower rung role under Brown or shadowcab under Miliband. They think they can just talk their way to power without any experience, I mean these are the people that lost the EU referendum trying to found a political movement.



>their accusation of corbyn edging towards endorsing a second referendum is out of date less than two days later.

How so?




Part of me wants them to try and split with a new party. Then see the shock on their faces when the poll under 4%. Out of the Blairtes that are left Chuka Umunna is probably the only one anyone knows about in the general public. I really want to know what Corbyn's plan is for selection process next election, it feels like they have some plan to deal with the Blairtes but fuck knows what it is.



if this happens Brexit is over. Brexit is overturned by vote and both parties don't take any responsibility for revoking it. We'll be stuck in capitalist hell forever. It only gets worse in May when the /pol/ lot universally elect right wingers across Europe.



>if this happens

It won't. There are only about 60 MPs supporting a referendum and that doesn't become 320 just because it's tied to May's hugely unpopular deal.



This shit is the new "Corbyn is finished"


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What is even happening any more, like how are people so disconnected from the real word.



Holy shit this is 'beyond'' parody…


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>Reading the DM

>Believing the DM



Riley still looks like a human but Rowling looks like her soul has been in a phylactery for a millennia at this point.





The not so cancerous link.



>jk rowling and tony blair are going to form the centrist melt party

>comments going full nazbol calling the blairites wreckers and accusing riley of jewish tricks

Okay, now this is epic



Honestly JK Rowling attacking Corbyn will do him more favours than he could possibly wish for.



Yeah I'm actually praying to Allah that Rowling is the melt party leader.



>Earn trust

>Arrange a meeting

>Briefcase bomb

Singlehandedly improve the political outlook of the country



God can you imagine JK Rowling as a parliamentary candidate?


It's not me it's you GCHQ.


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I know people who are die hard harry potter fans (yeah I know) and even they hate JK Rowling. I just can't understand how these people have no idea what is happening in politics. All need to do is talk a handful of people in the street to realised Blairism is dead



I've seen a great phrase used about austerity is that one of the reasons Labour did so well in 2017 is that it has started to hit the middle class. One of the issues for Blairites is that they remember the 1980s, but in a weird way: they weren't directly hurt by what a lot of Thatcher did, but they saw it hurting other people. So when Blair came along they thought that by him taxing and spending he was helping them therefore Blair is god. They don't see the structural stuff, they just see impacts through a prism of feeling. As such, they think that if you just increase welfare a bit people will be better off and everything will be nice again. This kind of thinking is unfortunately rather common.



Not really plausible as little changed economically between 2015 and 2017.



>One of the TP lot voted for fucking Corbyn

My sides honestly, this is the political equivalent of going gay for pay.


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Also on the whole TPUK thing, it's gonna meaning jack shit and you know why? Because most wankers that get involved in student most student politics do it because they want it to advance their career (Labour students used to be a big part of this). Why would some neoliberal join TPUK when they can join the young tories?



>Labour students

seriously what is even the point of them at this point.

Another thing is that uni campus that have alt-right wankers and edgy torys will already have some society for that. It seems weird that TPUK assumes that there isn't already right wing organisations on campus'.


What's Labour's policy going to be regarding the US?



Invite Trump to speak outside Downing Street and then pants him on national television.



>No porn edit

Feels bad man



This melt has ruined Countdown now, can't do some word puzzles without thinking of Blairites.


Can we all take a moment to appreciate how "melt" has become a mainstream insult for Blairites to the point of it even getting mentioned in the press every now and then.


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But which one is the honest opinion?



They don't have honest opinions. They just say whatever pops in their head at the time and can fit inside a single tweet, and then promptly forget about it.


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Berger is so many stereotypes rolled into one I will be disappointed if she's not dispatched by Nazbols at this rate.



so the question is, is he acting in good faith and just a mong, or is he playing 2 dimensional chess by trying to make it so that she's thrown out and people can go all ~~zomg labour threw out the right hardworking nobody burger king M.P?

because i mean even if i was being selected by a committee of blairites i wouldn't exactly want "welcome to stand as a conservative" on my CV unless i was in a target seat for a labour gain at around the ~400 seats mark.



It doesn't really matter because Labour grassroots are so aggressive strategy wise they'll treat it as sincere. If the media and establishment wasn't so hostile maybe they wouldn't be, but there's nothing to lose with being on the attack all the time.


They hang the man and flog the woman

Who steals the goose from off the Common;

But let the greater criminal loose

Who steals the Common from the goose

The law demands that we atone

When we take things we do not own

But leaves the lords and ladies fine

Who take things that are yours and mine

The poor and wretched don't escape

If they conspire the law to break

This must be so but they endure

Those who conspire to make the law

The law locks up the man or woman

Who steals the goose from off the common

And geese will still a common lack

Till they go and steal it back!



The best part is that people think it was a term invented for just them, rather than modern parlance.



Nice, who is it?



Redpill me on the CPGB-ML.



The Labour/Grime alliance continues to pay dividends.


Old folk poem.


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Skinners Birthday today. One of the all time great Labour MPs.






Tbh I've been thinking that if shit goes tits up that I leave the Labour party and join the SDP and try to push for effectively centre NazBol. Is there any merit in this or would it just be a folly?



They're sort of on that trajectory now. Old School Labour Right on economics, pro-Brexit, and actually reactionary.


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increasingly convinced that no deal is the most likely outcome

there presumably go my hopes of emigrating permanently ¯\_(ツ)_/¯





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> increasingly convinced that no deal is the most likely outcome


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why can't I get a Lexit gf lads?


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>blairites literally think they're the anti-voldemort resistance

kill me


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I wonder if there's a bigger version of that piece of art of Theresa May?


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Nah, I'm still gonna be wanting that pic of Theresa May on its own


So with the SDLP cucking out, is it time for Labour to enter Norn?



For what purpose?

Labour can't openly endorse irish unification be it in norn or elsewhere, but equally Labour obviously shouldn't endorse unionism which they'd be implicitly doing if they stood in norn without saying they're for irish unification.

Staying out has been a good thing and Labour should stay out, short of some radical policy of future wet dream labour government retaining norn for the purpose of building internationalist socialism and inviting the republic to join us.



Well one of the reasons Labour should move into Norn IMO is to be a nonsectarian Unionist party. I mean Labour is inherently unionist now, the Scottish referendum has established that firmly. Also TUC affiliated unions now operate at a pretty decent level in Norn, and since it is the Labour party it should go where its affiliated supporters are.

>short of some radical policy of future wet dream labour government retaining norn for the purpose of building internationalist socialism and inviting the republic to join us.

<Broke: Irish Republicanism

<Joke: Two-nation theory

<Woke: Northern Irish Separatism

<Bespoke: Anglo-Irish Socialist Federalism


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This is your brain on Autonomism-Liberal Totalism.



>YFW even the tories are engaging in deselection now


Is there realistically any way to avoid no-deal Brexit? May is just going to keep on pretending her deal isn't dead, and even if she panics at the last minute and tries to extend Article 50, the EU won't let her. Might stick some money on no-deal tbh.



I think parliament will fold to giving May her deal with some weird tokenistic concession from either the EU or May herself that will put it over the line



tbh it looks like that she has finally admitted she needs to win Labour support. Her reply to Corbyn's letter seemed a different tone to her usual "nothing has changed" shit. I think its more likely that a slightly improved deal will come about in the final days before "Brexit day", probably passing with support from Labour rather than Tory Brexiters/DUP. But no one really knows anything right now



Also i think the softer wing of the anti-deal tories are breaking tbh.


Can you gay niggers stop raiding /v/? No one is buying that cancer you're selling.



It's probably the burgers. Fuck off.


Maduro called Trump a White Supremacist on the BBC. That mad bastard. <3



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We know you have no class conciousness, we don't bother wasting our time.

Appreciate the shoutout to /ourgirl/ though.



We ain't doing it bruv, we've got more important things to be doing like watching the rugby.



Fuck off, we're not raiding anything.



I don't see it. Overcoming the largest parliamentary margin of defeat by any government, in just two months?

Corbyn won't support it, if only to look strong. And if we're thinking politically, it would be far better for Labour to oppose the deal, than to support it and go into the election looking weak.


>Theresa May admits she scrapes mould off jam and eats what's underneath


And who says the Tories aren't enviromentally friendly.



Tbh whether this is safe or not depends on what kind of Jam: like solid jelly jam this is 100% okay but the more liquidy then it is pretty dodgy.



Oh yeah I'm sure it is, still gives me hope that it'll fuck her up one day though.




what's the difference between jam and marmalade



Marmalade is citrus jam is non citrus.



your usage of words is disgusting




And I think you make marmalade with less sugar as well



If you say so love.



I've been taking mold of jam my entire life and my health couldn't be better.

Mind you homemade jam that only gets moldy AFTER you open the jar, if it sits in a jar tightly after being made and fire sealed, then it can stay fresh forever



Well most jam is a "hard food" so you can do that.

You see the way mould works is not the mould itself but the toxins that are dangerous to you. Now the mould extends these toxins infront of the mould growing itself inorder to kill friendly bacteria, In a hard food (like blocks of cheese) these toxins barely spread infront of the mould itself, in soft foods (like bread) they will extend way outside the mould itself. So it depends on what you are eating on whether you should cut off or bin it.



gonna have a cheeky wank lads


What do you lads think of this Richard Wolff bloke? he seems okay but when i listen to him it sounds like he's talking under the assumption that i'm a simpleton. liike, literally mate, you don't need to explain to me that Deutsche in Deutsche Bank is german for german…. cringe-worthy It makes it really hard sometimes to actually take in what he's saying and i'm saying this as somebody that doesn't even have GCSE's or O-levels…

Is he just primarily trying to appeal to children, is he just super arrogant or is this just how you have to talk to make americans to understand you?



He's entry-level marxism for millennial Redditor twats, he has to talk like that.



his audience are burgers



I quite like Richard Wolff, he breaks down a lot of complex concepts for the average person (we need a lot more of that in the leftwing media): but I'm not sure why you posted it in the Britanon thread…



>implying burgers know what 'deutsche' means

he just knows his intended demographic


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Nah, sorry. but if you have to talk this basic to explain anything to anyone that's an actual adult then there is just no point. It's like sesame street level teaching, i swear to god. And again, i'm saying this as a secondary-school dropout that doesn't even have a GCSE, as in, hardly the sharpest tool in the box by a long margin.

Guys a professor. he should act like it a bit more. my suspicion is that for most he just comes across as condescending.



>is this just how you have to talk to make americans to understand you?

Americans are really dumb or at least unaware about international stuff so you should not begrudge him too much on that point



Fair criticism, but you've gotta remember economic knowledge is really not widely known.

Regardless, why are you posting this in the britpol thread?


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Because i don't like interacting with the burgers nor do i value there answers for the most part every day i wish there would be a huge disaster that will wipe them the fuck out. , hence i thought i'd ask here. It's the only /leftypol/ tab i leave open nowadays. I really didn't think it'd be such a problem. sry broskie.


Anyways, what do you guys think the ramifications of DB collapsing would have on the UK as well as the wider EU project?



I think British banks are pretty safe from a run, mostly because most of their assets were consolidated and securitised following 2008: which didn't actually happen in a lot of countries.


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hey man, that's not cool


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Ooh anon, that hits me in a special place.


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I can't believe you would do this to me in my own house and home anon.


It's not the road you know

Stop, think, then go

Woo woo woo





>400 years ago

Pal it was like 20 years ago there are still active IRA cells, even in Glasgow where I live it’s still a huge thing culturally


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anon that was uncalled for



Complete collapse of European banking system and the EU.



oh baby, tell me more!! <3


Oh God everyone is bitching about Churchill again…



Its good, everyone who sycophantically heaps praise on the cunt is just signing themselves up for purging.



Eh it's just more culture war bollocks tbh.


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i relate to a fair amount of the shit in this image and i'm australian

shits fucked take me back to the 2000s please god


Tbh the reason early '00s nostalgia hits so hard is because how everything went to shit in 2008: generation Z (The Blair generation) have only really ever known a country that has been objectively falling apart. It is not just longing for childhood, its longing for when the world wasnt just shit everywhere.



2000s were just as bad (and in some cases worse) than now. You miss being a kid. although you are hardly an adult either

I knew this would happen one day and I am not as disgusted as I thought I would be


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We live in a fucking hellscape, anons. i'd kill to be an adult in 2000 rather than now.

If Corbs fails plan B is too burn the prison-island to the ground.



Being an adult in the 2000s would have stunted you like me, I was 22 in 2008…I'm supposed to be further along in my "career" than I am by now. But I had to stick with my shit food service job the whole time



>everything went to shit in 2008

nah this is bollocks.

everything is objectively falling apart now, but we kind of recognise it. the 2000s were a weird period of collective delusion where we lied and told ourselves that actually everything was great even though fundamentally the helish parts of the 80s and 90s still lingered.

culturally, sure, they were alright. as a technological epoch, they hit just the right balance between functionality and novelty in consumer tech and between innovation and modernity in game design. but politically, the 2000s were the absolute fucking nadir, the most contemptible, objectionable, loathesome period ever. at least in Europe. Australia and NZ I don't know. Like in terms of global political economy they were still shit, but maybe Howard-Rudd and Clark-Clark-Clark weren't as bad as Blair-Brown and the SPD Haarz IV gang.

can you imagine actually sitting in 2005 and watching the election results roll in and seeing that Blair got back with a majority after the Iraq war? Can you imagine that this is it, the end of history as we march towards the seemingly inevitable Iran war and identity cards, his grinning cunt face warning us about terrorism until the end of eternity? The world may be on fire, but at least it is now a universally recognised fact by the sane that he was a bastard and a bad prime minister, not the new model leader for the coming century.

Things can only get better.


Lamo the fucking naked anti-brexit lady supported abolishing welfare for children to make their parents work harder.




Why am I not surprised.



What the fuck is going on in the right image



Well, i was 20 in 2008 and living independently and working, etc. I was thinking more of it'd be nice to have at least been in my 30 or some shit in 2003.



International Brigades fighting ISIS standing infront of a former Daesh sign in a captured town.



Foreign fighters in Syria. the German-Kurdish link is fairly strong.



Well one of them is wearing a Turkish ML badge but same difference.



You know what I'm a burger, so I really shouldn't be in this thread anyway. I still haven't moved out. Everything is just way to expensive and one needs a car to get around where I live.


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Damn. Back in my day we had a nifty little device called a Section 6. Made life easier in regards to housing.




>Dirty Dyke



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>dick and dom

>mona the vampire


>the fucking painting drying rack

>the word art gallery

delete this please anon



>Multiple parliamentary sources say that Streatham MP Chuka Umunna plans to announce his resignation from the Labour party around 8pm this evening.

Another one could go



Well 8 has been and gone.


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Rightists have such a low Autism Level that they sperg out at a guy who wrote a book.

Think about that…


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These cube things were absolute shit lmao.


>the seemingly inevitable Iran war and identity cards

You now remember his plan to install tracking devices in every car so the government could do 'road pricing'.



I had forgotten half of the stuff in this image, where the fuck is my childhood going?


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post more blair memes


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does anyone have blairite gang saved?

(lmao i know it's not unexpected but several old newspaper articles online make reference to a "blairite gang", proof it exists!)


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God I'm glad it's gone. All of this was so fucking terrible.



Peter Hitchens is unironically a comrade.





Was Blair the original 'liberalist'?


i feel like an unreasonably high number of blairites, especially young ones, are just 90s nostalgists (often too young to actually remember the 90s) who just want britpop back.



Burger here, but I knew multiple otherise apolitical Hillary Clinton voters who explicitly admitted to voting for her because "remember the 90s" and "I hope that wacky Slick Willy is on tv regularly."



Nigga, those cubes were the shit, sometimes made mock guns out of them

Just realised that I could've made a mock sten out of them….


New Novara Media is really good. Why has autistic BO turned off embedding videos? retard BO rly makes this place hard to use sometimes.




>They smashed-up the Marx grave again

Tbh inb4 Trot groups put an armed guard outside of it every night




>66,000,000 dead

Retards. Some org should post a guard there to catch them the next time they do it.



I'd unironically do it if I lived in that part of London.



>Noodle arm faggots failed first time

>Brought a brush this time since it's easier than a hammer


>Ideology of starving

Do you think they thought it up right there or did they sit around in a basement and plotted what to write down?


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Imagine defacing Adam Smith's grave and publishing capitalism's kill count in the 20th century because… burgers! How childish…


wait hold on, Michael Young, Labourite, 1945 manifesto drafter and coiner of the term 'Meritocracy' (as a negative thing.) gave birth to Toby Young, professional Tory twat?

cursed factoid.


well no obviously michael young didn't… i… …fathered… you know what i mean't!




Really? How does shit like this even happen. The other one I don't get is how Tony Benn's kids are so fucking Blairite



The Benns and the Youngs are both wealthy families that you would expect to produce right-wingers. Tony and Michael were aberrations and their children are a reversion to the mean.



Tbf it appears Toby Young did it just to be an edgy shit (he would have grown up in 1980s Liverpool so the edgy rebellion thing to do was be a hardline tory).

As for the children of Benn I think it is quite simple: they adopted their father's base motivations without his experience. Benn wasn't anti-colonialist because he thought it was bad, he became an anti-colonialist because he fucking trained in the RAF in Rhodesia.



There was an article that endorsed Hillary Clinton because there were a lot of Donkey Kong games when Bill was president.




How will communism ever recover now it's all over lads pack it up. The real question is to whether it was some right wing nutjob or a fpbe melt who thinks this actually means anything.



>Farage claims his Brexit Party has 100k members

While i doubt this very much, I kinda want it to be true…



FBPE melts are far too big of pussies to do anything like that.



I doubt this will come to anything but I wonder if any hard-line pro-Brexit Tory Mps defect.



If the current deal passes I could see someone like JRM jumping and running as an independent tory with BP support.

Man British politics is about to fucking implode.



OIRA and INLA were socialist for sure, provos were anticommunist



nah i doubt Rees-Mogg would defect unless the tories were already well and truly imploding. You'd need something much, much bigger than the SDP split. For all his bluff and bluster and his genuinely extreme views, he's still a carpetbagging careerist, just of a different variety to the average besuited PPE graduate.



I said someone like JRM, I am more thinking the ultra hard brexiteer backbenchers, the gang of 30s as it were. Any party Farage founds will get a decent membership base (probs ~50k if I were to put money on it) and will have some serious money behind it. As an ultra tory why not go for that?



I doubt it would be 50k since UKIP's membership at its height was only 40k. I doubt they would even get 10k tbh



Eh UKIP was capped on membership because of it's kinda racist nature and the fact that it was founded and operated during a time of poor membership generally. We are now in the new era of mass politics, where joining a party is the done thing again. Single issue parties can really generate membership numbers nowadays: think about how the second largest party in the UK is the SNP at 125k and they only recruit from 8% of the population…


i know it's a really weird thing to care about and i'm sure i posted about it before but i still can't believe wings over scotland spends so much time on anti-trans activism.

i can't tell if he becomes an idiot while doing it, or if he's being wilfully dishonest when he breaks every single rule of media analysis he's spelled out. the person who'll repeatedly remind you why it's important to read beyond the headline and trust nothing in our gutter press is apparently content with any old spectator headline so long as it's about why the transgenders are nuts.

god scottish politics is shite



Eh anti-trans activism is the new boomer hobby: with Graham Linehan getting triggered by Donkey Kong and all that. It's actually very reminiscent of the gay scares of America in the 1990s or Britain in the 1980s. "The trannies are gonna come into your schools and teach your kids to be women!" is basically the same as "the gays are gonna come into your schools and make you son kiss other boys!". It's just a repeat of all of this and it is dragging in the worst of people.

Also lol the bloke has lived in the West Country since '91.


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>5 or 6 Labour MPs could leave tomorrow

I swear they have been saying there's going to be a big split for years.



Skwawkbox have been "calling" this for years now tbh. One interesting thing is that it appears there is a real farce over attempted formations…


Oh also "the 6th weighting up her options" is almost certainly Luciana Berger.



what i wouldn't give for a well-written thick of it type thing about this period.

shame inevitably the writers would either be slavish corbynites, slavish blairites, or tories (jks modern tories are pathologically incapable of entertaining) rather than people with an ear for the comic follies of both sides.



I dunno Iannucci & Schneider are actually soft-left types that praise and berate Corbyn in equal measure. But I guess they made Death of Stalin instead.

Tbh I do have a pitch for a modern british political comedy called "REFERENDUM", about a fictional referendum on the british monarchy that is filmed in the style of Twenty-Twelve or W1A.



To fill out the premise, the issue of a referendum on the monarchy comes around because a party founded by a charismatic leader that speaks like a Cockney gains traction, and forces the tory party to hold it. The show features:

An uptight tory PM who called this to win votes but didn't expect it to go

A Labour leader that wants to become a republic but is pressganged into being pro Monarchy

The Cockney Republican

The ScotsNats saying they'll declare independence to get their own Scottish Monarch

The weird small group of Republican tories with a Cromwell fetish

the pro-monarchy blairite leaders who claim to do it out of patriotism

and some other shit.

I intend it not to be a direct 1:1 (for starters, Labour are the ones with a load of backbench hardcore republicans instead of the tory brexiteers) but I think there is a lot of parallel humour to be gotten from it.


You know that Lenin quote about decades happening in a week? Tomorrow a century will happen in a day calling it now.



What are you referring to



Just you wait anon, just you way.







Newport MP Paul Flynn has just died. RIP Comrade.



>Sanchez declares war on Britain to gain support


>May wins and gets the largest landslide in 100 years in an early election



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What the fuck is happening?

Articulate, or are your brains suffering damage, due to the tea seeping through your skulls/s?




This is it?

I'm ready for a sailors rebellion if they try to send Bongs into a far off combat zone. The uncertainty of Brexit isn't exactly helping foster bourgeoisie nationalism, right now, or am I wrong?

Ideas on how Spaniards will react as well?




Wait I was joking what the fuck

I don't want to die in the Aragon for Theresa May



This sort of shit actually happens at least once or twice a year, Spain just likes to do these things



And good riddance too. What is even wrong with these people? Chuck out chuka, ffs.


BBC reporting on the possible split this morning. I think that's further than they usually get. Wonder if they have balls to do it this time or if their careerist ways get the better of them again.



10am, we'll see.


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They targeted The Navy.

The Navy.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little tot of rum saying we did.

We'll punish ourselves doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a cannon firing sequence all to draw out a single extra point of damage per broadside.

Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same archipelago's over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know every little detail such that some have attained such sailor nirvana that they can literally ply these straits blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many ship's wheels have been smashed, anchors overhauled, sails and lines destroyed in frustration? All to later be referred to as flagging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our Gibraltar? We're already building a new one without them. They take our docks? The Navy isn't shy about throwing money else where, or even making the ports ourselves.

They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by obstreperous bosuns with shitty hats.

They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challenge when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with inferior nations. Laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

The Navy is competitive, hard core, by nature. We love a challenge. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challenge us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another armada.



Good copypasta 9/10.


Also looked into the IRL SDP split and they setup regional branches called "Committees for Social Democracy": that's some aesthetic naming there.


tbh on a scale to curb your enthusiasm how much is this move gonna go tits up?


>Labour splitters are either called The Independent Group or The Independence Group




>The Independence Group

Makes them sounds like ScotsNats tbh.



Or kippers, ironically two groups they're opposed to.

Irrelevance ho!



Also "The Independents Group" sounds Irish/10 I await their position on water privatisation, the Senate, and the 6 counties.



Shit name. Will the actually try to be a party or just a group of MPs?


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The Independent Group it is.

#changepolitics lads. Change it right to the status quo.



Fair point. I think they will, stay li,e this for a while, organise, then change their name: which is a stupid idea but whatever.




So just bland white theme then? They'll have to compete for the name with the art collective.


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Statement from their site




How do they not realise there is zero appetite for a new neo-liberal party?


Seven MPs, they're leaving and going to sit as independents. Not a new party yet it seems.



>Berger, Umunna, Coffey, Leslie, Smith, Shuker, Gapes

What a lineup



Literally just a new labour pitch…

Things can only get better I guess.



From what I remember only 5% of people who vote Labour vote based on the local MP. So its unlikely any of them will win their seats next election. I hope they do the right thing an call byelections but I doubt


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wtf, their statement thing on their website has a bunch of vague bullet points that you can click 'i agree' on and nothing else Lmao


>Chuka Umunna, Luciana Berger, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Gapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffey


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FYI, their 'Who we are' button takes you to a blank page


Now the entire webpage itself seems to have gone down


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Works for me sadly. Gives you this rogues' gallery.



yeah there's a page there now that they've done the big reveal.



I stay on top of politics but even I don't know who 4 of these people are. The only sort of well known one is Chuka Umunna



Even more insipid and uninspiring than the gang of four. Chuka is really the only 'name' there and this is the guy who dropped out of the post miliband leadership race within three days and was perhaps the MP most hated by labour members.


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>"Any criticism of the leadership is responded to with abuse and accusations of treachery"

t. a literal traitor complaining about being accused of treachery while she does it

the blairite cries out in pain as he stabs you in the back



Can they not hear what they are saying? Have they mentioned standing for by elections?


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Young Labour naenaes on actually shaking libs.



BlairBoos / Remainers / Libs shill heavily for the Neo-SDP Which cause Labour to lose the general and Corbyn and his SocialDemocratic sect are purged by the party for "Being to far Left and losing touch with the working class" like Foot and the bennites were

Reminder that SocialDemocracy will never work



these cunts should get the same treatment the turning point burgers should tbqh



Time to span Independent group Twitter handles?



>implying any of these people will get elected not on a Labour ticket

Also the membership is massively behind Corbyn even if he did loose an election they would elected another left wing leader



>Implying that spoiler candidates / parties don't exist in FPTP Systems

The SDP/LibDems won barely any seats either but that was all it took to hand the election to the Tories on account of them splitting the labour base just enough that the Tories gained a plurality in most seats



Nah, they're understandably avoiding it and speaking as if they are doing this with a mandate from the constituents, which is particularly hilarious coming from Berger.

On another note, the Leslie faggot deserves to be shot, but at least he's entirely honest about the real motivation behind this, virulent anti-socialism, class collaborationism, unapologetic anti-worker politics. The rest is just idpol flavoured cover.



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Ah yes, the 'You can't fire me, I quit!' Party.


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For anyone that wants to have a look. or point there botnets at,


Liberal Middle Class Londoner types. who even knows how there minds work at this point? Blairites should be hung, tbqh.

Who even knows any actively jewish people in the UK outside of London?



>Who even knows any actively jewish people in the UK outside of London?

My boss is one but he already votes libdem.



This is not the same as the SDP split, most of these MPs are completely unknown. If we go by what happened last election with ex-Labour MPs standing as independents then we have nothing to worry about. There also is no indication of any Labour members leaving the party to help set up this "independent group


Not a surprise really



libs absolutely steaming in the replies lmao


>tfw you try to start a new centreist lib party but accidentally get endorced by Hopkins


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Isn't Hopkins one of these E-Celeb charlatans that acts like a borderline racist stereotype of an Anglo for Mutts enjoyment and makes videos of how much better Ameristan is that England and how Everyone loves America?



Yes. She is also actually a fascist tabloid whore, but yes, she's realised that burgers are a better grift for vapid culture war bullshit.



Isn't there also that other guy that adopted the most Angloid sounding Nom de plume ever and makes bunch of vids that pretty much rant about Muh Mudslimes and acts in the most corny stereotypical way you can?

And eventually he went to jail for breaching his bail on credit fraud or some shit and Mutts and the embarrassing parts of British reaction shit their pants while crying and held marches and sent death threats to people until he was let go?



doesn't even load and says not secure



Who are you talking about? Can you at least reference any of these events?



pretty sure anon is referring to 'tommy robinson'




Yeah that guy

All his retarded American fans gave him like $500 000 US dollars because he spent like a month in detention for breaching his bail conditions


Wonder what the dozen lib dems are thinking right now.


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>Wonder what the dozen lib dems are thinking right now.

They're having flashbacks.

Wonder if we'll see the blairites and the tory remainers join forces with them and see lib dems complete another metamorphoses into the liberal democratic independent unionists


what did i tell you? all the good names were taken.

"the independent group", for fuck sakes. pathetic. even if they change it now it's pretty clear they didn't think this through.


god fucking damn that is a terrible statement

i hope these intellectually bankrupt weirdos are out on their arses at the next election.


chuka umunna and and the 6 nobodies


i mean i've been decrying the lack of talent for a while but jesus christ this is a gang of nonentities. i mean jesus christ. none of these people could even stand up to bill rodgers in terms of notability.


the thing is the SDP for all their flaws basically tried to stick to the actual social democratic consensus in 1983. people took the piss out of them as the "party for a better yesterday"

these people are the same, except the yesterday they want to go back to was a hellish period under a man nobody likes.

the SDP also had a meaningful name and 3 big hitters as their founders as well as a serious case for the maintenance of their party system. both the remaining labour right (too monetarist) and the remaining labour left (too weird) had genuinely departed from the postwar consensus in one way or another. they offered a real alternative. these people don't.

their only similarity to the SDP is that they want to bring back something that is long dead and gone.


wonder if i could tolerate the independent losers if they obliterated the lib-dem vote rather than the labour vote


http://independentgroup.org.uk/ lmao top result for their name isn't even them


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>song about being a martyr among cowards and traitors

>tweet's replies are loaded with traitors sneering and cowards flinching

I hope Labour wins so these fuckers can shut the fuck up


Is twitter just full of metropolitan melts who have no connection to the British Labour base?

I never use it and it feels right not to because every conversation/argument has no real debate or substance. Just opinion statements being thrown back and forth

Was on there for 20 minutes and I got so pissed off at the lack of any intelligent responses in threads.


i almost wish everyone going "oh this is so bad you shouldn't celebrate qq" would fuck off and join the loser group

nobody in the labour party, not even the left ones calling them careerists, has the force of bile necessary to call them out on being the non-entity pond-scum they are.

i mean who, someone (ideally an MP) really ought to just ask, on television - who the hell are these people? can their own constituents name them? i'm not even angry they've split or anything, i'm just gobsmacked they're actually in parliament because who are they? this is the age of the spectacle, but instead of spectacular MPs, bad but at least attention grabbing, we get people that even a labour students pub quiz would struggle to remember by name.

when is 7 less than 4? when you're splitting from the labour party.


why is young labour based but labour students cursed?



Because Labour Students is a political machine designed to bring up PPE graduates to parachute into safe seats.




Also Labour students is incredibly corrupt and since Corbyn become very undemocratic to stop the left taking power of it.


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>why is young labour based but labour students cursed?


answered ur own question matey!


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This, they dont even run one member one vote: Amazon prime is better at registrating students than them (all you should need is a membership number and an .ac.uk email).


Tbh the real banter huristic is if an SNP MP joins them.



I mean Chuka Ummuna's career is such a nothingburger: he was a shadow business sec for a bit and a lawyer before that. That's basically it.




quit the labour party because it's racist then say "a funny tint" when trying to remember the phrase "BME"

real life thick of it stuff.


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I thought these people were supposed to be blairites? How can she be that bad?






what a useless div



Most of the semi-competent have already left, either not running for re election in 2017 or even standing down under "Red Ed". Chuka Ummuna is probably the only media savy one there




Can better ears decipher what did the reporters say among themselves?



"Ngl, between this and brexit we're actually fucked". "It's gonna be so divided nobody's gonna win* the conservatives are gonna win".

*Not 100% on that



Tommy Robinson has been funded by Zionists & Neocons for decades, Middle East Forum & Rebel Media backers currently give him the most funding, but they happen to be backed by some of the biggest right thinktank & ngo types around. Essentially Robinson is the same as the American LARP groups, just a thug for hire by porky, which is no surprise since he's always been Lumpenbourg (his small businesses were used to launder money for gangs & drug dealers in Luton, kind of an open secret, half the reason he hates mudslimes is because of pakistani gang rivalry).

His latest PR stunt is to try and make the Yellow Vest movement look bad by co-opting it; as recently as January he co-ordinated a violent attack on a Union with his former EDL & BNP buddies, who are loosely reformed as The Football Lads Alliance, using vague hooliganism as a cover for the fact that they're essentially brownshirts. The funny thing being that he plays the man of the people character yet acts as a strike breaker on a union for not being "for the working people" despite the union in question being pro-brexit.

Of course, anyone with any knowledge of the history of the far-right in the UK knows that their real record is attacking unions, workers & communists above and beyond being racist (which they are obviously), yet that's all ever gets focused on.




I'm confident I heard "conservatives are gonna win"

Anyone have any idea who it might have been? Who was at the event?





I saw some tweets from people there claiming they were saying "they are fucked" and " they are mad" but cant find them




That it's a good opportunity for merging and escaping the stigma attached to the Lib Dem name since 2010.





He defo says something between "it's gonna be so divided" and "the conservatives are gonna win". I think it might be "nobody's gonna get a majority".



That bridge brings back memories of horrible long childhood car journeys, christ.


Are some Tories gonna defect from their party too or is this just Blarite things?



It's likely, Soubry has been edging that for a while: but they will likely do it in a few weeks time when it becomes clear May is gonna go for a no deal. They need to make it look like they are the victim here.

Ironically, this grouping will have a far more equal balance than the SDP of Labour:Tory.




i'm not saying everyone else should TPUK the independent group, but i am explicitly ordering each and every one of you with sufficient free time to TPUK them.


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>in a few weeks time when it becomes clear May is gonna go for a no deal.

How much clearer does she have to make it? It's been made clear as day time and time again that it's her deal or no deal and that she is currently playing for time in order to force hands.


TPUK? wat mean?





>How much clearer does she have to make it? It's been made clear as day time and time again that it's her deal or no deal and that she is currently playing for time in order to force hands.

I think it has to hit home in the public's mind that she is really gonna crash this plane with no survivors. A week should be enough tbh.


So the yank org Turning Point launched in the UK a few weeks back and basically everyone banter'ed them out of existence by setting up fake accounts.




>She just posted an apology




>The melts want to ask Davidson to join them and lead them in Scotland

That'd be a fucking powerplay if I've ever seen one.


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>i am sorry for any offence caused…


this is going to go down worse than if she'd gone full /pol/ when asked to apologise


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Twitter is cancer. you really should abandon it instead of trying to turn it into the battlefield for political discourse. it makes me legit sad that this is the platform people want to fight on. 140 characters? dumb. Probably the reason it's full of fucking retards. short for there tiny brains.

pic related: Twitter HQ plz



5h29m and they've already had to do a Nick Clegg. This is gonna be great.


Important to note that due to the Death of Paul Flynn MP (RIP) that there will be a by-election coming up: i wonder of the Melt Caucus will run in it.



Non-britbong here

Why don't they just join the LibDems? Can they do it at all?


>nobody is calling TIG Quitlings



Funny seeing a load of liberals, Americans and totally not Zionists kvetching away in the comments.



>Is twitter just full of metropolitan melts who have no connection to the British Labour base?

Yes. You can safely ignore most of the internet when it comes to sentiment wrt Labour. Bullying them is amusing and even when half the party is dunking on melts it has zero effect on polling.


Post some more about them, they don't get enough exposure.


Because they want to be in charge/get the lobby cash.




>melt melt melts

stop trying to force this meme, anons. it's transparent. call a retard a fucking retard. enough with this forced sanitized language.

>Post some more about them, they don't get enough exposure.

I do hope this was sarcasm.



>stop trying to force this meme


Fuck off Americunt.



and yet here you are, acting exactly like a burger.. hmmm.


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Kill yourself burger.


Double kill yourself.



retarded. grow up child.



Kill yourself burger.


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you keep saying it. do you really think everyone else is this dumb? embarrassing.




Anti anglo gang where u at?



>stop trying to force this meme that has been used in British politics for three years

>n-no you're a burger

No more (You)'s 4U.


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>melt burger melt melt melt

alternatively, fuck off back to twitter, discord or wherever it is you children hang out these days.



Says the faggot who doesn't know how to respond to more than one post lmao >>2818291


It looks like there are Tory Ministers threatening to resign over a no-deal guarantee. Telegraph.




>>2808003 + >>2806827

I'm in actual tears



Bruv melt is slang for someone that's a bit of a pussy. It's not a forced meme, it is an accurate description.

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