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File: 9eb29b0f1d3e547⋯.jpg (114.08 KB, 1200x869, 1200:869, unabomber-ted-kaczynski-fe….jpg)

 No.2835628

 No.2835633

cuckoo brainwashed by the CIA


 No.2835651

BASED

>>2835633

can you prove that without linking the dramatization? No.


 No.2835663

If you replace "leftist" with "SJW radlib" then everything about his manifesto is correct.


 No.2835679

File: f3d10ec183eaa87⋯.jpg (45.47 KB, 800x667, 800:667, IMG_20171221_001853.jpg)

pretty based honestly


 No.2835680

>>2835628

Primitivism is the ultimate form of conservatism. They want us to go back to stone age and it will last until someone develops bronze weapons and exterminate them.


 No.2835692

File: 3fcb49fd3662274⋯.jpg (39.25 KB, 468x423, 52:47, DUyoI3MXkAAI8lY.jpg)

>>2835680

>primitivists and anticiv types are against progress.

How are you just now getting this?


 No.2835705

He is to leftists what Marx is to conservatives. Both writers accurately describe neoliberal capitalist stooges and imperialist capitalists respectively, but those that subscribe to Marxist and neoconservative ideology cannot reconcile their beliefs with the writers conclusions. His description of academics is spot on, if anything.


 No.2835706

>Almost everyone will agree that we live in a deeply troubled society. One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general.

>But what is leftism? During the first half of the 20th century leftism could have been practically identified with socialism. Today the movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be called a leftist. When we speak of leftists in this article we have in mind mainly socialists, collectivists, “politically correct” types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like. But not everyone who is associated with one of these movements is a leftist. What we are trying to get at in discussing leftism is not so much movement or an ideology as a psychological type, or rather a collection of related types. Thus, what we mean by “leftism” will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of leftist psychology.

he is literally just criticizing idpols and modern ""leftists"" and he makes 0 criticism against theory or economics and he says that.


 No.2835718

The ultimate result of Kaczynski's thought, whether the his intention or not, is a defense of the present state of things. It's no wonder his ideas have been so welcomed by the far right.

His philosophy has many functional similarities to fascism. He promotes what is ultimately an extermination of surplus populations, he is deeply opposed to leftism and other truly revolutionary movements even if he and his followers might claim some of their aesthetic, and most importantly, he venerates an idealized past and demands a (not quite but mostly reactionary) return to that past. That final reactionary demand is mostly illusory, something to mobilize petite-bourgeois individuals towards what is ultimately a project of maintaining capitalism by quashing its revolutionary threats.


 No.2835723

>>2835706

Polyps jump on him because a small part of his writings confirms there biases about the left and continually misrepresent uncle ted as there guy who is against the left.


 No.2835726

>>2835723

No, right-wingers jump on him because they share fundamentally similar goals. see >>2835718


 No.2835727

>>2835692

Yes i just found it out. The point was that going back to feudalism, slave society or stone age is reactionary.


 No.2835751

File: 67f33d5ec8bfb5b⋯.jpg (11.97 KB, 344x344, 1:1, 67f33d5ec8bfb5b28c8a938589….jpg)

His manifesto is suburban teenage babby's first radical political "theory." His critiques are dogshit. It's obvious he never bothered to study political economy outside of whatever propaganda he picked up at his american university.


 No.2835769

>>2835751

>whatever propaganda he picked up at his american university

Lol it's just a more concise and watered down version of Ellul's Technological Society which offers up critiques that are far from dogshit.


 No.2835779

>>2835769

That's a big oversimplification. Kaczynski references Ellul but he doesn't crib from him full clothe.

More than that, regarding >>2835751

I think the minutia of his thought is kind of unimportant. It doesn't matter if Kaczynski didn't address political economy, because he didn't *have* to. Rigorous political economy is irrelevant, and often counter-productive, to what are essentially fascist politics.


 No.2835783

Kaczynski was based and his critique of liberals was spot on. Industrialism was a mistake


 No.2835784

>>2835783

FUCKING ANPRIMS GET OUT MY BOOOOOOOOOOOARD


 No.2835788

>>2835784

>STOP SPREADING THE TRUTH, THE PROLES WILL WAKE UP


 No.2835790

>>2835788

they will, and the truth won't be "lol let's go back to the time we didn't have vaccines or mass produced goods"


 No.2835793

>>2835788

You can literally enjoy anprimism now by just fucking leaving society, and we can be out here claiming the stars.


 No.2835795

>>2835790

Of course they won’t. Modern society is conductive to the spread of dysgenic elements. Natural selection has been partially inhibited by the conditions of our society, leaving those who would have died under natural conditions due to inferiority to spread their genes to further generations. Only a great catastrophe will return mankind to its natural state and allow the breeding of a superior stock


 No.2835796

>>2835793

>implying you can opt out of the consequences of modernity


 No.2835799

>>2835788

The primary recruits of the primmie cause are almost exclusively petite-bourgeois. Disaffected grad students, small business owners alienated by a hyper-productive global capitalism they can never compete with.

Further, the main victims of the primitive extermination would be proletarians. This makes sense. Fascists have always made a point to reduce the pool of available labor.


 No.2835800

>>2835793

>implying there is wild left in most any of our countries.

kek


 No.2835801

>>2835799

Primitivism is not fascism. We desire a return to primitive classless society


 No.2835805

>>2835801

>We desire a return to primitive classless society

I believe that just as much as I believe the Nazi mythology behind Lebensraum.

The actual, PRACTICAL implications of the primitivist project is the extermination of surplus labor, NOT the undoing of industrial society.


 No.2835809

>>2835805

>I believe the Nazi mythology behind Lebensraum.

Mythology? Hitler’s rationale was as simple as: “we need to secure the future of our people, we need more land to feed our people and a greater land base to survive in an era of consolidating large states”. No mythos – read Mein Kampf

>PRACTICAL implications of the primitivist project is the extermination of surplus labor, NOT the undoing of industrial society.

Industry and primitivism are incompatible. Not everything is a capitalist plot, anon. Primitivists point out the unnatural, unhealthy and environmentally harmful aspects of civilization and how the only real sustainable alternative is a return to primitive living


 No.2835813

>>2835809

>Mythology?

Do you really need me to point out the whole worldview of nazism, and the worldview of other fascisms? I'll make it simple: There was a time when Our Folk were strong and dominant, and to return to that point many people must be killed, particularly these surplus populations, because they are lazy/scheming/etc.

In short: the veneration of an idealized past…

>primitive classless society

and the demand that there is a *reactionary* return to that past

>We desire a return to primitive classless society

>Not everything is a capitalist plot

Do I think you're a crypto-capitalist? No, I think you're a dupe blinded by ideology into preserving the status quo with violence and genocide.


 No.2835817

>>2835813

The status quo is what needs destroyed, combined with a simultaneous societal levelling. People will die, yes, but they will be the inferior elements. It’s a return to the principles nature in selecting the strong and culling the weak. Give me one reason why this would be bad without using moralistic arguments


 No.2835822

>>2835817

>implying lefties are going to talk about your primitivism instead of just saying 'reactionary' at you in some kind of aspy hope that it will make you stop.


 No.2835824

>>2835822

<b-b-b-but reactionary is my special word that means your ideas are wrong becuz I said so!


 No.2835830

>>2835822

>>2835824

From all the times something has been called reactionary in this board, the unfounded belief that humanity would be better off without civilization is undoubtedly deserving of the term.


 No.2835837

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>>2835822

>>2835824

>XDDDD we not reactionaries event though we want to go back to shaman times, right Grug? Not at all like pagan fascists :DDDD

>>2835817

>but they will be the inferior elements

Natural selection is Natural, as a result unnatural structures like capitalism introduce systems that reward people who look like pic related for being able to have the money to fuck and impregnate strippers.

Everybody has some useful genes btw and people with serious disabilities won't be able to fuck anyways so fuck eugenics.


 No.2835842

>>2835837

Modern society allows all sorts of degenera.tes, autists, weaklings and abominations to breed and spread around their filth without restriction. Healthy babies are aborted and the deformed and autistic are allowed to be born and given “mercy” when in reality it would be far more humane and better for humankind to extirpate them for the cultivation of a higher stock. Eugenics is necessary in any society to avoid the degeneration that Nature prevents naturally.

>>2835830

>reactionary = bad

Where is the proofs


 No.2835846

>>2835842

I bet there would be really advanced eugenics in primitive society, it's not like a lot of people in this board agree babies with defects should not be born and aborted with more humane terms, not the way cave man anprim would do it by smashing the belly of cave woman


 No.2835853

>>2835846

Same result, different methods. Leftists defend the dysgenic because, like Uncle Ted taught, they identify with their inferiority and accept the truth of it deep down. It has to go beyond mere abortions in the realm of civilization — sterilizations, euthanasia, etc. Nature fixes all of the problems and mankind’s primitive instinct already sees these inferior beings and reacts with revulsion, hence infanticide


 No.2835861

>>2835853

Uncle Ted was a cuckoo who didn't bring anything interesting to the table


 No.2835866

>>2835861

>arguments: not found


 No.2835868

>>2835817

I have a hard time believing that you can't see your own blood-and-soil rhetoric, but like most fascists, you're probably some son of a guy who owns a car dealership and have a self-induced psychosis to justify your views. There's no changing your mind. But I'll use you to make a point.

>The status quo is what needs destroyed

Every fascist movement has appropriated a pseudo-revolutionary facade, like this one. It's bunk.

Everyone with a brain cell to their name know that reactionism is impossible. The proliferation of capitalist property relations, the absence of benefiting classes, and yes, technology, make it so. You know why the french bourbonists never recaptured society? Because the aristocracy didn't exist anymore.

This is the reason why fascists can't *really* be classed as reactionaries, even if it is a huge part of their ideological structure.They don't believe in reproducing any really existing past forms of society. Instead, they make one up.

Prims specifically invent a view of pre-agricultural humanity that is totally divorced from reality. For them, primitive society was one where people didn't work as hard or as long, where people had more authentic lives, and where hierarchy didn't exist. All of this flies directly in the face of anthropological evidence (which kaczynski admits in his writings, but then ignores). Then again, they don't have to obey evidence or rationality, because the purpose of primitivism isn't to resurrect a society that never lived, but to kill lots and lots of innocent people.

> People will die, yes, but they will be the inferior elements. It’s a return to the principles nature in selecting the strong and culling the weak.

This is the actual goal of primitivism, and fascism in general. It is the extermination of surplus populations. All the ideology and rhetoric is just pablum justifying this goal.

Why do fascists want to exterminate surplus populations? By committing genocide, fascists shrink what Marx called the "industrial reserve army".

"Big industry constantly requires a reserve army of unemployed workers for times of overproduction. The main purpose of the bourgeois in relation to the worker is, of course, to have the commodity labour as cheaply as possible, which is only possible when the supply of this commodity is as large as possible in relation to the demand for it, i.e., when the overpopulation is the greatest."

Shrinking the industrial reserve army is the dark mirror image to Keynesian "full employment". It is a way of addressing elements of capitalist crises that fascist movements so often emerge during. By culling the human heard, fascists (and thus, primmies) buy capitalism more time on earth.


 No.2835869

File: 6601fb60fdd7547⋯.jpg (8.71 KB, 267x194, 267:194, casual-concerned-man-casua….jpg)

>>2835842

>Eugenics is necessary in any society to avoid the degeneration that Nature prevents naturally

Say that, but slower this time."Nature prevents it but we need to act upon it anyways, lel"


 No.2835873

Still confused after more than 4 years why Primitivists don't get the same treatment as the rest of the reactionaries


 No.2835877

>>2835873

because they don't talk about race, if along the whole thing they have with "only the strongest babies must survive" they included a race they would get banned, but they don't so uh they are just confused or something.


 No.2835885

>>2835877

This is what happens when you skip eighth grade science


 No.2835890

>>2835873

Can someone explain to me why primitivism is bad? Utopian it certainly is, but I can't call it "bad" . There are valid points in thinking that modern society causes harm for the environment, people's life, etc. I think technology can be used beter than it is today, but I can understand the desire for not wanting it to exist.


 No.2835891

>>2835830

>>2835837

It very well might be reactionary, i couldn't care less. Hardly means that 'waaa reactionary tho!!!!' is going to be valuable to me or not worth mocking.


 No.2835892

>>2835890

Because we can't go back to a better primitive time, it never existed.


 No.2835893

>>2835890

>Can someone explain to me why primitivism is bad?

It wants to maintain the present state of things. see >>2835868


 No.2835897

>>2835868

>y-you’re just petty bourgeois!!

Pathetic

Your criticism of primitivism as a bourgeois plot to kill off “surplus population” is absurd. Take off the Marxist class-blinders


 No.2835898

File: d6a9b59fe650a26⋯.gif (403.55 KB, 480x362, 240:181, krusty.gif)

>>2835893

Lol. How disingenuous do you have to be to unironically believe that this is what primmos believe? pathetic.


 No.2835902

>>2835793

>You can literally enjoy anprimism now by just fucking leaving society, and we can be out here claiming the stars.

Kaczynski literally tried that but when it inevitably failed because technology society is all-pervasive he decided that bombing people was a better idea instead.


 No.2835904

>>2835897

>Take off the Marxist class-blinders

I would rather not, thank you, i believe such method is the only way to achieve socialism.

>>2835898

Great centrist nihlist-anarchist taking the position of the retard for no reason.


 No.2835910

>>2835897

>>2835898

First it's not a plot: you really do believe what you say. I'm just noting the actual, practical implications of your politics, which is a defense of what already exists, Capitalism.

You should be familiar with this method: Kaczynski did it with his critique of "leftism". He did not concern himself with the facade, the slogans and the declared intentions.


 No.2835911

File: b9bad7890d0d120⋯.jpg (229.86 KB, 1000x721, 1000:721, CCF2.jpg)

>>2835904

>Centrist

wat?

It seems to be pretty disingenuous to be a Nihilist flavored anarchist without being against Civ.


 No.2835912

>>2835904

>I would rather not, thank you, i believe such method is the only way to achieve socialism.

You’re so blinded by the concept of class you end up producing the hottest takes possible regarding movements and ideologies that you don’t understand. You search desperately for the hidden kernel of “class” within everything and make a fool out of yourself in the process. Of course class exists but being concerned with it and it alone is laughable.


 No.2835914

File: 556d5d990ff4e46⋯.gif (472.63 KB, 266x200, 133:100, tenor.gif)

>>2835869

Respond please to this

>>2835911

>It seems to be pretty disingenuous to be a Nihilist flavored anarchist without being against Civ.

Blow yourself up like the worker alienating jihadi you are


 No.2835917

File: 0e70c7b5709292a⋯.jpg (8.62 KB, 177x285, 59:95, 2sp00py.jpg)

>>2835911

mercy, afroamerican brother.


 No.2835918

>>2835912

Did Zizek memes go out of style on this board?

Your denial of class as an actionable subject is IDENTICAL to fascism. You deny not the existence of class, but say it doesn't matter, and that the volk would be better off if they got together and enacted a program that would kill large amounts of people.

Further, you're denial of class as an actionable subject conveniently allows you to examine your own class interests, falling back on the liberal trope (and fascists always do this) that class doesn't matter.

You're the perfect unaware fascist. We should preserve you in amber for future study.


 No.2835919

File: 7a0c0d70d105256⋯.jpg (39.29 KB, 591x464, 591:464, Da8M_gbWAAAWOch.jpg)


 No.2835920

>>2835918

You keep saying primflag said things they very obviously didn't say. Are you well anon, mentally?


 No.2835921

>>2835919

stick it up your ass


 No.2835924

>>2835920

he said them, read the thread newcomer


 No.2835925

>>2835918

>[you] say it doesn't matter, and that the volk would be better off if they got together and enacted a program that would kill large amounts of people.

Nice strawman. Take off the blinders, friend and look at what I have actually written. It’s hilarious how bad your reading comprehension is


 No.2835927

>>2835925

>You search desperately for the hidden kernel of “class” within everything and make a fool out of yourself in the process. Of course class exists but being concerned with it and it alone is laughable.

>People will die, yes, but they will be the inferior elements. It’s a return to the principles nature in selecting the strong and culling the weak.

>Modern society allows all sorts of degenerates, autists, weaklings and abominations to breed and spread around their filth without restriction. Healthy babies are aborted and the deformed and autistic are allowed to be born and given “mercy” when in reality it would be far more humane and better for humankind to extirpate them for the cultivation of a higher stock. Eugenics is necessary in any society to avoid the degeneration that Nature prevents naturally.


 No.2835932

>>2835927

<You search desperately for the hidden kernel of “class” within everything and make a fool out of yourself in the process. Of course class exists but being concerned with it and it alone is laughable

Literally nothing in this excerpt says anything about “Volk” or class harmony.

<People will die, yes, but they will be the inferior elements. It’s a return to the principles nature in selecting the strong and culling the weak

Keyword is “die” not “will be killed”.

<>Modern society allows all sorts of degenerates, autists, weaklings and abominations to breed and spread around their filth without restriction. Healthy babies are aborted and the deformed and autistic are allowed to be born and given “mercy” when in reality it would be far more humane and better for humankind to extirpate them for the cultivation of a higher stock. Eugenics is necessary in any society to avoid the degeneration that Nature prevents naturally.

This is just true regardless of how you spin it


 No.2835933

Uncle Ted and An-Prims get the airlock.


 No.2835934

>>2835933

They will get turned into robots.


 No.2835935

Nobody's replying to me when saying that nature sorts itself out then anprims agreeing then saying "lmao do it still tho" here

in black

>>2835919

Blow yourself up in your house, you impotent banana chip that doesn't grasp people don't like violence unless it's in self defense.


 No.2835936

>>2835932

>Literally nothing in this excerpt says anything about “Volk” or class harmony.

It IS a denial of class as an actionable subject. By rejecting class as such, you make "class harmony" implicit.

Not that class harmony matters to you, or would be possible. It's another facade. Remember this: >>2835910

>I'm just noting the actual, practical implications of your politics, which is a defense of what already exists, Capitalism.

>You should be familiar with this method: Kaczynski did it with his critique of "leftism". He did not concern himself with the facade, the slogans and the declared intentions.

>Keyword is “die” not “will be killed”.

So you will make them die, then! Big difference.

>This is just true regardless of how you spin it

This is out of your mouth, not mine!


 No.2835939

>>2835936

>It IS a denial of class as an actionable subject. By rejecting class as such, you make "class harmony" implicit.

Maybe in your disease-ridden Marxist brain, even when I have explicitly called for a primitive classless society here: >>2835801

>I'm just noting the actual, practical implications of your politics, which is a defense of what already exists, Capitalism.

Primitivism is a defense of capitalism? Funniest thing I’ve read all day!

>So you will make them die, then!

“Make them die” is just a periphrastic way to say “kill” — so no. I’m talking about people DYING (i.e. the intransitive verb). People will die of starvation, fail to adapt, die of weakness, sickness, etc. Fundamentally this will be a good thing in the long term. A great catastrophe followed by a regression to the norm for the vast majority of humanity’s existence: the primitive.

>This is out of your mouth, not mine!

There is nothing wrong with people dying, especially the weak


 No.2835940

>>2835939

>There is nothing wrong with people dying, especially the weak

Okay, thread is over, guy was a fascist all along.


 No.2835944

>>2835940

>fascism is when cripples, diseased and degenerate die in a primitive world unsuited to their continuing existence

The rug is pulled out and they fall down. Fascism is yet another word you throw around recklessly. Paxton, the author of “The Anatomy of Fascism” describes fascism in the following way:

>Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim- hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.

I am not a fascist, but you are a brainlet dysgenic


 No.2835945

>>2835944

You are not strong, you will die in winter. Repent, save yourself.


 No.2835946

>>2835945

That joke was a dud


 No.2835947

>>2835939

>even when I have explicitly called for a primitive classless society here

>Primitivism is a defense of capitalism?

I refer you to this post, specifically the second half about shrinking the industrial reserve army: >>2835868

>>2835944

>Paxton, the author of “The Anatomy of Fascism” describes fascism in the following way…

Appeal to academia? Odd for a follower of Kaczynski. Also, it's odd how you don't bring up my reference to Kaczynski, where I address exactly this! It's like you can't reconcile it!

>I'm just noting the actual, practical implications of your politics, which is a defense of what already exists, Capitalism.

>You should be familiar with this method: Kaczynski did it with his critique of "leftism". He did not concern himself with the facade, the slogans and the declared intentions.

>Make them die” is just a periphrastic way to say “kill” — so no.

This is just a trolley problem. Point is, you want people, particularly of the proletarian class, to die, and want to do things to make it happen.


 No.2835948

>>2835842

"Nature prevents it but we need to act upon it anyways, lel"

fuck off CIA

>>2835940

>guy was a fascist all along

nah, just an idiot reactionary


 No.2835949

>implying genetic engineering won't make the concept of "disease" and "weak people" obsolete the moment it will be seriously applied for the good of the proletariat

everyone here please pull your heads out of your asses for a second.


 No.2835950

>>2835947

>I refer you to this post, specifically the second half about shrinking the industrial reserve army:

I’ve already addressed your Marxist fever dreams before. Not even gonna read it again.

>Point is, you want people, particularly of the proletarian class, to die, and want to do things to make it happen.

People of every class and social group will die regardless of origin. You worship the mystical prole as a god (or even as spook).


 No.2835951

>>2835949

>implying it will fix overpopulation

Have fun living in your cramped apartments in a polluted word with not enough food

<but tech fixes everything! We’ll be sailing among the stars!

Simply lol


 No.2835953

>>2835951

>tech won't solve most problems today

it may, it may not, we can't tell if you fuck it all up green nigger


 No.2835954

>7. But what is leftism? During the first half of the 20th century leftism could have been practically identified with socialism. Today the movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be called a leftist. When we speak of leftists in this article we have in mind mainly socialists, collectivists, “politically correct” types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like. But not everyone who is associated with one of these movements is a leftist. What we are trying to get at in discussing leftism is not so much movement or an ideology as a psychological type, or rather a collection of related types. Thus, what we mean by “leftism” will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of leftist psychology. (Also, see paragraphs 227-230.)

Ted's diatribes about "leftism" are not relevant to left-wing ideology as much as they are a product of the inanity of American politics as a whole: they are not about ideology at all. They are about vague emotional states and tribalistic drama, and have been for the better part of a century.

Primmie ideology may be completely retarded, but it is not hard to imagine why Ted was driven to violence. He came to the unavoidable realization that Americans are too stupid and petty to reason with.


 No.2835955

>>2835951

>overpopulation

developed countries already have negative population growth. if anything, underpopulation will be a problem if everyone gets access to advanced tech.


 No.2835956

>>2835953

>green nigger

Being pro-tech is pro-destruction of this planet. Go ahead, solve global warming, solve overpopulation with your precious technology! Technology will solve the problems caused originally by advanced technology!! BELIEVE ME


 No.2835957

>>2835955

Just wait until global warming hits full force: Camp of the Saints will be the reality


 No.2835958

File: 7e26aebefcd1b29⋯.jpg (8.31 KB, 300x168, 25:14, download.jpg)

>>2835948

REEEEEad my post

>>2835951

>implying it will fix overpopulation

>Being pro-tech is pro-destruction of this planet. Go ahead, solve global warming, solve overpopulation with your precious technology! Technology will solve the problems caused originally by advanced technology!!

Those are caused by capitalist hoarding wealth and poverty increases birth rates and capitalists not investing in decent solutions for warming


 No.2835959

File: 5332a70d269e2b4⋯.jpg (723.25 KB, 1600x979, 1600:979, 136144-050-200CA3A5.jpg)

>>2835956

>pro-destruction of this planet.

protip: it's bound to die in about 5 billion years. feel free to have fun meanwhile.

>>2835957

>Just wait until global warming hits full force

it was at about this temperature about 65 millions of years ago. there's absolutely nothing wrong about that from nature's point of view. shouldn't you be happy about that?


 No.2835960

>>2835956

>>2835957

ok, let's make a deal, if society collapses and socialism didn't appear or even after it collapses socialism still didn't appear in some posadist masturbatory fantasy, you get to turn me into a tree. i turn you into a robot if i win tho


 No.2835962

>>2835950

>I’ve already addressed your Marxist fever dreams before.

You haven't provided any argument against how this isn't end result of your program. In fact, you've given me another gold nugget:

>People of every class and social group will die regardless of origin.

No they won't. You know who in particular is immune to, as you say,

>starvation, fail to adapt, die of weakness, sickness..

Rich people. The bourgeoisie. The people with guns and land and people they can reliably pay to do work.

Your mass death won't effect them, not really. It WILL disproportionately effect the dispossessed, those without property and wealth.

So in the end, the rich and propertied end up unscathed and the poor end up in a worse position than before. Everyone is ready to do capitalism all over again.


 No.2835964

>>2835960

Kill yourself

>>2835959

>it’s been hot in the past bro, accept it and worship the mechanical god!

>>2835958

Pollution, the negative health effects of the modern world and overpopulation will not magically vanish with technological socialism


 No.2835965

>>2835962

I don’t talk to retards, sorry


 No.2835967

>>2835959

>protip: it's bound to die in about 5 billion years. feel free to have fun meanwhile.

5 billion years is tremendously longer than the time we need to become a spacefaring species proper. AGW will kill us far too quickly for that.


 No.2835968


 No.2835969

>>2835964

>>it’s been hot in the past bro, accept it and worship the mechanical god!

Lmao. You are arguing that humanity should be docile, like some fucking tadpoles at the bottom of a pond, always at the whim of nature. Yeah, Earth was hot in the past, it will be hot in the future, equally unsupportive of homo sapiens, and your retarded idea of a primitivist society would be powerless to do anything about it. Have a nice day.


 No.2835971

>>2835964

>Pollution, the negative health effects of the modern world and overpopulation will not magically vanish with technological socialism

You can work towards ending it in socialism since you kill the polluters and can invest in bio stuff

>it’s been hot in the past bro, accept it and worship the mechanical god!

Dude, no. Don't go "we look at phone "all day" instead of stare at wall" right now.


 No.2835984

>regress to a primitive state

>after a few generations begin to create the same technologies that the first primitive people had because life fucking sucks without tools and medicine

>build the civilization you hate so much again

Anarcho-primitivism is definitely a serious ideology that we should take seriously instead of totally not exterminating its adherents on sight.


 No.2835985

>>2835984

>thinking that if civ collapsed we could ever reach close the kind of tech we have today

lmao

>thinking that everyone just became sedentary farmers and formed civs out of rational choice that it was better

lmao. even recent burger history shows this to be bs.


 No.2835988

>>2835985

>hey guys! we have an unfair advantage over other animals, and we should intentionally hamstring ourselves so we won't strain the planet too much

said no successful species ever.


 No.2835989

>>2835985

>thinking people do these things consciously

Now THIS is lmao worthy


 No.2836004

>>2835985

>>thinking that if civ collapsed we could ever reach close the kind of tech we have today

And why not?


 No.2836009

>>2835718

>extermination of surplus populations

Green New Deal will do this too.


 No.2836023

>>2836004

Because you need relatively advanced tech and infrastructure in order to extract and refine resources, to start.


 No.2836042

>>2835799

Literally false

t. alienated working class


 No.2836050

>>2836042

I'm sure you are, buddy


 No.2836059

>>2835984

You don’t understand that the means to read anarcho-primitivism is THROUGH technology itself. Surely you anons have heard the theory of scientific primitivism and the construction of the biomechanical god theory?


 No.2836061

>>2836059

I would rather not read what sounds like something out of the very bottom of an iceberg meme.


 No.2836064

>>2836059

I'm sorry, but I don't want to live in Horizon Zero Dawn.


 No.2836072

>>2836050

>everyone i disagree with is booj.

Literal child


 No.2836077

>>2836072

Would you rather I call you a classcuck?


 No.2836080

File: d237348e40ebb9e⋯.jpeg (234.83 KB, 1095x730, 3:2, 2558C99A-8023-444C-AB8C-9….jpeg)

>>2836061

>>2836064

Technology is ceaselessly developing and developing and must, in time, reach its apex — the point where no further technological development is possible. This will be the Perfection of Technology. Throughout this period of development mankind itself to varying degrees will become integrated with technology, one with technology. Little do many realize that this is indeed laying the foundations for the supreme and eternal human society to be realized post-Perfection. The Perfection culminates in the construction of God — the bipartite God. His body is of technology, his mind of flesh. Two shall become one and this chosen human shall embody god, becoming him, interfacing with the technology of the technologically integrated humanity. Each and every single human being will fall under his influence in the blink of an eye. Thus begins the establishment of divine law and the great levelling of human society and a regression to the norm. Through direct guidance by God the integrated humans will leave their technology behind and renew the Earth and live as their ancient ancestors did as God regcognizes as the most sublime human society. Those who transgress divine law will be struck down and eliminated, his benevolent reign shall be eternal. Reversion of the Reversion will be impossible — hence scientific primitivism


 No.2836082

>>2836080

transhumanists and ecofascists best buds


 No.2836085

>>2836080

Oh, so you don't want us to destroy technology, we must keep it and become god!


 No.2836089

>>2836085

Sadly all signs point to the Perfection occuring between 2500 and 3000 AD. I will not be alive to witness the Eutopia established but can only hope my ancestors will know the benevolent touch of God and the idyllic life that shall be bestowed through his will. Though of course I have many of the qualities of such a individual who would fill the mind of the divine husk, surely. If technology does not destroy us in the meantime, the Perfection is truly inevitable.


 No.2836091

>>2836089

your body will be lost to the dust, you will become star dust once again, isn't that better? well it's gonna happen anyway no need to say no


 No.2836092

>>2836091

>it’s not gonna happen

I remember when I was like you, ignorant of the development of Man and his ultimate destiny


 No.2836097

>>2836092

man is but a man, man


 No.2836105

File: 7c1749d23e0f849⋯.jpg (86.53 KB, 833x960, 833:960, smonkkk.jpg)

Kazynski and Varg > The entire communist movement > Other reactionaries > Liberals (including anprims)

Industrial society was a mistake. I'm only a communist because I would rather my class have control over industry. We are headed for complete collapse either way though, and it would be better yet to dump the whole stinking system then to build socialism.

Communism is ultimately reformist.


 No.2836106

>>2836105

best take in the whole thread, no words


 No.2836113


 No.2836121

File: 693216ee7c2c4ac⋯.jpg (23.92 KB, 500x500, 1:1, smikk.jpg)

>>2836113

James Lucrative's attitude towards women are genuinely toxic and Varg would agree with me. Change my mind.


 No.2836123

>>2836121

varg is a fag


 No.2836124

>>2836123

Back to /d/ please


 No.2836126

>>2836105

>We are headed for complete collapse either way though

t. first worlder who is mad about losing their many privileges and literally cannot imagine any other way of life.


 No.2836127

>>2835628

He's talking about the American "left," probably doesn't know the difference, and in this regard his criticism is irrelevant. A lot of his ideas even wrt liberalism were stupid, though, iirc and amounted to something like a HOW DARE YOU OPPRESS ME!!! aimed at people who think gay sex is acceptable or sumt. It's not even good criticism of liberals, he's mostly spouting cliches in a way that looked intelligent to morons who thought the culture wars were legit.

He does dunk on conservatives by simply pointing out that acceptance of technological change necessitates societal change, but it's not hard to dunk on conservatives.


 No.2836128

>>2836124

that comment came from /wx/ actually, i suppose it's a reference to him being anti-porn, the board is about porn, get it?


 No.2836134

File: c5811f1092d8aba⋯.jpg (7.79 KB, 210x482, 105:241, euronymous_1.jpg)

>>2836121

I mean Jim Profit would probably admit it, and yeah Varg would agree as he's pretty critical of misogyny on the right. I have always preferred Mayhem to Burzum anyway I just feel like your angle is similar to that particular video.


 No.2836136

File: aa38938629e5029⋯.jpg (91.85 KB, 500x751, 500:751, smaok.jpg)

>>2836128

Obviously I get the joke; /d/ is also a porn board. You're right – just checked, but I don't watch porn so you can't blame me for mixing up which porn board is which.

>>2836126

What do you mean by this? I was a small child when the recession hit, so I haven't exactly given up privileges during my life. My point is more that industrialism is unsuitable in the long run, and we are headed full speed towards total ecological ruin.


 No.2836137

>>2836127

>The leftist wants equal opportunities for minorities. When that is attained he insists on statistical equality of achievement by minorities.

Like, stuff like this. Even for "MORE BLACK FEMALE CEOS" idiots this would be a strawman at least part of the time, because of the existence of inherited poverty. "Equality of outcome" rhetoric like this is goober-tier and ignores the very open claims that equality of opportunity itself actually doesn't exist to the degree it could.


 No.2836141

File: e225067f8b0186e⋯.jpg (784.38 KB, 2048x1536, 4:3, JimvsJason.jpg)

>>2836136

He's just the resident 3rd worldist here, he likes to screech whenever Nick Land or Ted K are brought up because he's too dumb to understand them.


 No.2836142

>>2835793

>You can literally enjoy anprimism now by just fucking leaving society

Yeah. Just look at Randy Weaver! Worked out fucking swimmingly for him!


 No.2836143

>>2836141

there's no use in even attemping to understand neither of those tho


 No.2836147

File: fee8284b2e7c220⋯.jpg (16.96 KB, 500x344, 125:86, smonk.jpg)

>>2836141

>Jim Profit meme

Stop trying to force this shit. If you want to idolize some obscure internet leftist at least go with someone who has genuinely good theory, like Rafiq for instance. Also Nick Land is incomprehensible trash. He is right to screech. Left accelerationism is nothing like what Land advocates, and is quite simple. Read Jehu.


 No.2836149

>>2836147

stop promoting smonking through cute girls


 No.2836150

>>2836142

>pull illegal shit

>get found out

>cops hunt you down

>I'M BEING OPPRESSED ALL I DID WAS LEAVE SOCIETY

Nigger please.


 No.2836151

>>2836147

Pretty sure only Jim Profit posts about Jim Profit.

Nick Land is a barrel'o'fun, though, and actually interesting. And accelerationism bringing about a techno-fascist dystopia of some ilk seems more likely than its creating suitable conditions for communism and then actually transitioning.


 No.2836184

>Read Jehu

Jehu is closer to Land than most "left accelerationists", and has heavily criticized them. Jehu is basically landian accelerationism + militant labour organisation.


 No.2836185

>>2836184 was meant for >>2836147


 No.2836189

>>2836184

Who is Jehu?


 No.2836192


 No.2836211

File: 2c2a550843b4a8c⋯.jpg (25.76 KB, 640x480, 4:3, Hmph.jpg)

>>2836023

You seem to be forgetting that we didn't start out with factories and tools. Humanity evolved and civilized going from the stone ages all the way up till now and had built those same resource-extracting tools we have today. If we go back to primmie times there's nothing guranteeing humanity won't just do over again, except this time it will be faster because we'll have language and writing immediately rather than having to develop it from thousands of years. Read history.

>>2835817

>Give me one reason why this would be bad without using moralistic arguments

1. Your thinly-veiled master race nazifag fantasy is retarded because it has no end goal resulting in my self-interest. "waaah ppl I dont like shudnt exist ;w;" ah, go fuck yourself faggot lol. I like people, including the 'weak' ones, and its in my self-interest for them to survive because I enjoy them. Read Stirner.

2. Culling weaker humans won't actually result in stronger humans, random genetic mutations happen all the time and because you're retarded you seem to be unaware that retroviral DNA is encoded into humans;

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC98978/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrovirus

This isn't something you can 'breed' out you absolute biological illiterate. Furthermore, gene editing and epigenetics makes primitive eugenics obssolete so there goes your faggy argument.

3. Your GANGSTER COMUPTER GOD fantasy is bullshit and even if it were true, why should I care? Your shitty sci-fi fantasy argument is scientology-tier

4. Ultimately primfags and nazifags miss the ultimate end goal of their own argument; the so-called 'weak' humans around are, by a Nietzchean self-actualization power perspective, they ARE the master race, since living in the poorer conditions allows them to overcome their suffering and ascend to greater heights. Best music was written by deaf people, best sportsmen were people who overcame physical abnormalities. Someone who overcomes their difficulties and becomes great is a true sign of an ubermensch, rather than generic offspring who is already born great. Your shitty 'culling' is paradoxically dragging everyone else down and resulting in weaker humans. You are working against your own argument, faggot.

Here's hoping you get over your edgelord phase soon.


 No.2836220

File: 1d3d4e0dae58e0b⋯.png (382.24 KB, 992x999, 992:999, 3801421.png)


 No.2836236

>>2836211

>You seem to be forgetting that we didn't start out with factories and tools. Humanity evolved and civilized going from the stone ages all the way up till now and had built those same resource-extracting tools we have today. If we go back to primmie times there's nothing guaranteeing humanity won't just do over again, except this time it will be faster because we'll have language and writing immediately rather than having to develop it from thousands of years. Read history.

You seem to be forgetting the fundamental principles of extraction. You're being willful dishonest in acting like mining a pit in 2019 is the same as mining a pit in the turn of the industrial revolution. Take your bs dishonesty and fuck off, thx.


 No.2836237

>1. Your thinly-veiled master race nazifag fantasy is retarded because it has no end goal resulting in my self-interest. "waaah ppl I dont like shudnt exist ;w;" ah, go fuck yourself faggot lol. I like people, including the 'weak' ones, and its in my self-interest for them to survive because I enjoy them. Read Stirner.

It's pure morality to try to impose this shit on others, your personal self interest and enjoyment is irrelivent. Take your shit teir dr bones understanding of egoism and die.


 No.2836338

File: 5ad8ba600194f48⋯.png (43.31 KB, 593x394, 593:394, Land_On_Ted.png)

>>2835663

This was my take as well. His usage of 'leftist' never really refers to economics or theory, it's basically entirely in reference to identity politics - 'over-socialization'.

I think he lays out what he means by 'leftist' in basically pages 2-3 of the manifesto too. The only people butthurt about Uncle Ted are people that never read him (most people) or SJWs who are unable to get past page 3 of the manifesto because he was almost literally calling them out by name.

I suppose the people who received some of his packages are pretty butthurt about him too, but that's somewhat beside the point.

-Pic related is a tweet from Nick Land about Ted.


 No.2836360

>>2836338

Little Bro Ted is also pretty butthurt it seems.


 No.2836368

File: 5fd87cbcfeb0210⋯.png (38.2 KB, 640x387, 640:387, 1546127352492.png)

>>2836360

For hours of fun with very minimal input - call Nick Land a boomer on twitter.


 No.2836452

>>2836236

>You seem to be forgetting the fundamental principles of extraction. You're being willful dishonest in acting like mining a pit in 2019 is the same as mining a pit in the turn of the industrial revolution

Explain the difference faggot. Let me write it out for you:

Primitive humans > made pickaxes > mining

You can do the same now as you could back then. Whoah! You're fucking retarded. If we had primitivism we would just go back to making tools again. I also like how you couldn't counter any of my other points. Primmies are retarded, Read Stirner and stop being so faggy.

>>2836237

>It's pure morality to try to impose this shit on others

No, its self-interest. If anything, trying to impose genocide is moralism

>your personal self interest and enjoyment is irrelivent

To you, but you are irrelevent. Only my self-interest matters and i say, you're a fag. If you think culling the weak is so good, start with yourself, dumbass.


 No.2836462

>>2835868

>Why do fascists want to exterminate surplus populations? By committing genocide, fascists shrink what Marx called the "industrial reserve army".

Here's the problem with this. As Technology advances birthrates fall so the reserve army of labor decreases.

It's why there is a birth problem with Europe, USA, China and etc.


 No.2836463

>>2836462

So there is no reason to do that.


 No.2836465

>>2836462

no, is because having a babby is expensive for millenials


 No.2836469

>>2836465

That's a result of the contradictions of Capitalism.

Capitalism is naturally self-defeating.


 No.2836493

>>2836452

>You can do the same now as you could back then

Lie.

> Read Stirner and stop being so faggy.

>implying most all anti-civ anarchist writers don't have a far better understanding ofstirner than a retard fucking ancom.

Read Novatore. Read Filippi. Faggot.


 No.2836567

>>2836566

no marxism no socialism


 No.2836612

>>2836211

>but Stirner said!

>muh ego!

Neck yourself, spookfag


 No.2836617

>>2836612

>i say!

>muh nature!

turn yourself into a robot green nigger


 No.2836619

>>2836617

It’s impossible to escape the laws of nature, as much as you may try.


 No.2836620

>>2836619

we are very different from animals, nature is a bitch we fuck in the ass, i fucked nature last night, she doesn't love you anymore


 No.2836626

>>2836566

Hi, non-Marxist here.

Kaczynski's manifesto sucks for the most part.

>>2836619

What exactly are you arguing here?


 No.2836882

>>2835793

>You can literally enjoy anprimism now by just fucking leaving society

Literally where?


 No.2836901

>>2836150

It's obviously not anarcho-primitivism if you have to follow a state's laws you fucking dunce.


 No.2836902

>>2835919

You better hit someone worthwhile with that.


 No.2836904

>>2836902

like a green nigger, those are a pest


 No.2836909

File: 0816b9a565e804f⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 526.08 KB, 761x919, 761:919, D1faK6jXgAIpMYP.png)

Interesting dude, but I see positives where he sees negatives.


 No.2836985

File: ea8e579ca6a8607⋯.jpg (25.8 KB, 480x360, 4:3, Star Nick.jpg)

>>2836493

>Lie

Its truth

>implying most all anti-civ anarchist writers don't have a far better understanding ofstirner than a retard

HAHAHAHA how pathetic, Stirner would've dedicated an entire book to mocking you, now fuck off faggot.

Anti-civs are edgelords and you're just a daddy's boy. Go back to to listening to RATM and writing shitty emo poetry.

>Read Novatore

Already did, cuck. He doesn't support your faggotry anywhere.

>>2836612

Shoot yourself so we can return you to the earth, cuckold.

Why is it always the edgelords who think they'll be fine when a mass culling wouldve obviously killed them. You're first against the wall, faggot.


 No.2837250

File: 45a4fd18fe6cfd3⋯.jpg (20.35 KB, 319x400, 319:400, Bruno_Filippi.jpg)

>>2836985

>Its truth

saying it again and again doesn't make it true, fucktard.

Stop acting like a cucked twitter teenager and grow up, get involved with real anarchists and not ancoms, try the peple that actually read and took on people like stirner, novatore and filippi. christ child.


 No.2837251

File: 67b91da3e482db3⋯.png (311.73 KB, 642x518, 321:259, ar-es.png)

>>2836902

Odds are if you shoot into a random crowd you'll hit some humanist fgt.


 No.2837334

Anprims still can't explain how le primitive tribe fights off imperialists


 No.2837351

>>2837334

no you don't understand anprims don't want to be primitive they ackshually want to become a god with technology and then destroy technology, got it?


 No.2837353

File: bad518b404e8291⋯.png (328.97 KB, 642x518, 321:259, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2837251

As opposed to shooting each other while posing for a photograph


 No.2837355

>>2837251

I'm from México and i never hear of these groups, i didn't even know Zapatistas existed before i visited this board.


 No.2837666

>>2837648

Mein gott what level of ideology is this?

Yet another example of anprim being complete idealism with no basis in historical materialism whatsoever. It is in the interests of neither the bourgeoisie nor the proletariat to return to a pre-agricultural society. Even in the worst case scenarios of global warming and nuclear war, human civilization is rooted too deeply to get rid of completely. And if it's not done completely, returning us to a blank slate, it's not going to last. Agriculture and metalworking provide a material advantage over basic hunter-gatherer societies; such societies, even if somehow abolished and forgotten, would still rise up again.

In fact, it would actually be easier this time around, because (1) human biology has adapted to agriculture and domestication of animals (see lactose tolerance) and (2) there will be shitloads of already smelted copper and iron to work with. It's unlikely that a recovery to modern tech would be possible due to depletion of surface coal/oil and rare minerals but there's no way in hell you're stopping a return to feudalism at the very least.


 No.2837675

File: 55fd9559caf89f8⋯.jpg (65.08 KB, 854x480, 427:240, ITSArgentinia.jpg)

>>2837355

Oh wow, you're in for some fun then!

http://maldicionecoextremista.altervista.org/ ==Best Mexicans==


 No.2837681

>>2837677

no shut the FUCK up we can't make ourselves god now get to seize the means of production already you green nigger holy shit


 No.2837688

File: 93b62648fd27c3b⋯.gif (36.63 KB, 356x200, 89:50, IMG_1367.gif)

>I just wanna be the Borg to fix alienation and sing around some campfire

Enjoyment requires some degree of pain, i.e "eat bitter live sweet"


 No.2837689

>>2837677

Ok so all of this is retarded but two parts are especially so.

1. Why the fuck is there necessarily an "apex" for technology?

2. If we have technology advanced to such a degree why the fuck would we want to go back to dying of polio at 35? Primitivism sucks ass compared to today's world, why would a techno-utopia have any interest whatsoever in primitivism, never mind universalizing it?

Hell, if a few people want to go live in the woods, with that level of technology just set aside a continent or a whole planet as untouched wilderness and send all the loony primitivists down there to do their thing.


 No.2837742

>>2837733

>human-centered worldview

>natural

Absolute garbage. Fuck humanity, ave machina.


 No.2837760

>>2837754

i don't speak dead stupid primitive languages


 No.2837825

>>2837733

>God

Stopped reading there


 No.2837951

>>2837829

Nigger please


 No.2837981

>>2835679

Seize the means of production then destroy it.


 No.2838122

>>2837829

Why the fuck would "God" do that instead of trying to travel through the stars and jump from dimension to dimension?


 No.2838203

>>2837829

You're assuming a god machine - an AI or something.

What makes you think "the final product of mankind’s technological apex" won't be a human upgraded beyond their biological limits?


 No.2838293

>>2838122

What does god… need with a star ship?


 No.2838324

>>2835663

>>2836338

This is correct.

When I first read it, it was really mindblowing in the sense that he said everything the way I thought but couldn't or wasn't smart enough to formulate and put into words the way he did. Especially when he said they hate the very idea of the superiority/inferiority distinction because of point 19, he really understands them perfectly.

Having said that it's kind of the typical right-wing thing where they take and run with this to generalize with all leftists and then use that to dismiss economic leftism (ie. "they only want that because they cant compete!"). But to be fair, the points also apply to shitholes like r/socialism and other "SJW in communist clothing" groups.


 No.2838340

>>2838336

you literally believe we will reach an amazing level of technology in the future but you fuck it up with the primitive shit, we will be bobots dude


 No.2838392

>>2838389

i'm not a faithist, sorry


 No.2838469

File: 37b532f27e8223d⋯.png (771.2 KB, 1655x2048, 1655:2048, Screenshot_20190224-205712.png)

>>2835628

Ted was metal as fuck, leftcoms are fags lol


 No.2838473

File: 22041ab34521c0d⋯.jpg (46.39 KB, 305x303, 305:303, 578b29c1ac6bff2a4de8e7f838….jpg)

>>2838469

Ego dik detected


 No.2838485

File: 9681f60bf13f16a⋯.jpg (24.62 KB, 720x533, 720:533, Literally n o t an argumen….jpg)

>>2838469

>fucking up ethical egoism this badly


 No.2838493

>>2838469

Dr Bones 2: Electric Boogaloo




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