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 No.2838096

Don't forget, you're here forever.

Previous thread: >>2824413

 No.2838103

File: 7fcd8b015b6daf0⋯.png (7.14 KB, 1200x865, 240:173, chartist.png)

>>2838096

At the pace we're going, how long till the British Peoples' Republic?


 No.2838105

File: 7d4d57f5fa0d6f0⋯.jpg (27.99 KB, 385x480, 77:96, bumble.jpg)

Mogg is a soviet sleeper asset.

Codename: Mr. Bumble.


 No.2838110

Why does every party and indipendent in the commons spend there time attacking labour for not supporting second ref?! I legit don't understand.. If they Hate brexit so much then shouldn't they be putting that at the feet of and attacking the cons, instead of laying it all on labour or directly corbyn?! It's crazy…


 No.2838114

>>2838110

Because they don't actually care about brexit anon, they just don't like Corbyn.


 No.2838120

>>2838114

I don't think that's true. I mean, yea. they hate corbyn but these people have built there whole identity around brexit over the last few years. you know it's all there middle class friends are talking about at the dinner parties, just how awefull it is that us poor, misguided plebs voted to leave the wonderful, wonderful EU… 'I mean, just look what gains it has given us! look at our GDP!!!'


 No.2838126

>>2838120

Oh that's mostly to do with Blairism mutating into Europhillia. It's best shown by "Blair's achievements" being passed off as the EU's. I've heard people say "without the EU we wouldn't have the minimum wage" which is weird because that used to be Blair's big boi thing. It's basically middle class false identity forming around ensuring they stay fine, even if it means screwing over the people before it.


 No.2838129

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>>2838110

>I legit don't understand.. If they Hate brexit so much then shouldn't they be putting that at the feet of and attacking the cons, instead of laying it all on labour or directly corbyn?! It's crazy

That's because tories are dutifully playing their assigned part in the puppet theatre of bourgeois democracy, the (controlled) opposition is being sic'd on Labour because its not sticking to the (porky approved) script.


 No.2838131

>>2838103

>Not Union of Britain

smh


 No.2838132

>>2838129

Damn, Seamas has a nice coat. Man just gets better and better.


 No.2838138

>>2838132

It's funny how much he makes the Blairites mad as fuck. At this point anyone you see bitching about "The Four M's" is practically a confirmed anti-socialist.


 No.2838139

File: f592f19fc1fb72c⋯.png (698.67 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, tukh.png)

>>2838131

SYNDIES OUT


 No.2838141

still howl that some on the far-right of the labour party think Ed Miliband was a 'trot'


 No.2838143

File: 05b2190536bd2b9⋯.png (291.43 KB, 590x350, 59:35, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2838139

You fuckign want some?


 No.2838144

>>2838138

Four Ms?


 No.2838148

>>2838144

Milne and McCluskey, and the lesser known two are Andrew Murray and Karie Murphy.


 No.2838149

File: a13f9c5b8bff692⋯.png (448.02 KB, 614x410, 307:205, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2838143

DIRECT RULE FROM THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE


 No.2838151

File: 2afb66cd9afe1ee⋯.png (474.57 KB, 968x681, 968:681, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2838149

The TUC will never yield!


 No.2838152

>>2838149

MILNE FOR GENERAL SECRETARY


 No.2838153

File: 1b9da70e71aa6a5⋯.jpg (41.21 KB, 820x550, 82:55, milne.jpg)

>>2838151

Then it will be removed…


 No.2838157

File: 7397338c9d8ba73⋯.png (581.77 KB, 1120x581, 160:83, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2838153

You can't just do that!


 No.2838161

File: 23cba9b3f6dfa61⋯.png (616.21 KB, 1188x627, 36:19, seumas milne.png)


 No.2838168

Honestly I just came to the realisation that in the Kr timeline that Enoch powell would have been a Totalist and I am not sure what I think about that…


 No.2838179

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File: 72e8fdc1e7fd2df⋯.png (373.89 KB, 1800x800, 9:4, ClipboardImage.png)

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>>2838168

>I am not sure what I think about that

Not much tbh.

Its simple, Totalism (totalist) is bad, Totalism (vanguardist) is good.


 No.2838181

The brainlets really are running the asylum now, they're looking at the fucking Vienna Convention to see if they can just call do overs since no one understood that this kind of clusterfuck was possible, when any reading of it clearly states that being fucking retarded doesn't constitute a situation where its ok to ignore international treaty convention


 No.2838182

>>2838181

This has to be the most specific vague statement I have ever read.


 No.2838184

>>2838179

>>2838168

I can't be bothered with KR anymore, I've only managed to complete a CSA and UOB game, I drowned the world in my own blood as the CSA and sat on my little island shitting out planes until I unlocked nukes as the UOB

Does anyone know how to win as the great Khanate? I always end up getting shit on by the Qing or the German puppet that controls southern china


 No.2838187

>>2838182

You're welcome

Basically they are looking at Article 62 of the vienna convention, which is the convention that governs how states treat treaties between states, and are trying to see if the absolute mess that brexit has become gives the EU and UK the option of legally acting as if the whole thing never happened, specifically because Art62 allows for no fault nullification of a treaty in situations where they've become impossible to fulfill due to unforeseen circumstances


 No.2838189


 No.2838190

>>2838179

GF memes are cancer. i always think it's probably the kids that will grow up to be permavirgins or some shit.


 No.2838191

At this point the rest of the EU is going to fuck off before us so we won't even have anything to leave.


 No.2838192


 No.2838193

Remainer twitter is a weird and wild place

https://twitter.com/OFOCBrexit/status/1072510982021373952


 No.2838196

File: 67eca5faf66d710⋯.gif (2.49 MB, 400x300, 4:3, 1355120724160.gif)


 No.2838199

>>2838193

>a fucking LOTR reference

Now that's out of the way wasn't Mordor the industrial heart of the orc empire?


 No.2838206

>>2838193

Listen to that shit music tho… These people are so impotent, i can't wait till they go away.. Also, whoever invented twitter and gave these people such a platform should be shot.


 No.2838208

>>2838193

kinda funny

>>2838199

They did it by destroying the environment and the workers being just replaceable drones, fairly apropos metaphor

Anyways, I'm still hoping for remain, if Corbyn is really serious about Lexit he should convince people like me.


 No.2838213

>>2838208

>Anyways, I'm still hoping for remain

We know, you tell us whenever you're not fighting for jihadi rights.


 No.2838214

>>2838208

Most Labour constituencies want it, most marginal constituencies want it.

With EU rules against government interference and nationalizations, any even remotely socialist program necessitates leaving the EU by default. Or did you intend to pretend that being left-wing is acceptable in the EU or that you are yourself left-wing?


 No.2838217

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>>2838199

Mordor was a progressive, bourgeois democratic, constitutional monarchy, spearheading the industrial revolution in middle-earth, the wholly fictitious anti-mordor narrative written by the victors is based entirely in covering up the aggression of the reactionary feudalistic western powers, dehumanising the orcish and troll peoples and the plotting of the white council and entrenched ultrareactionary {{{elven}}} interests to maintain their dominion over middle-earth.


 No.2838230

>>2838217

Oh wow, this book was very good. Havn't read it since i was a teenager. Gonna re-read or try to find audio… Thanks!!!<3


 No.2838231

>>2838213

What a big man you are, campaigning for the deaths of babies and punishing people for being groomed age 15. Absolute scumbag.

>>2838214

The actual percentages are piddling, are we going to be held hostage because 1.5% of people wanted Brexit more than Remain 2 years ago? I mean if we're just going to play electoralist opinion poll politics why not just bring New Labour back?

France has a 56% state economy, Britain has 37%, how is there not scope to do all that Corbyn has said he wants to do? The only thing that I'm aware that the EU bans is nationalisation without compensation to the current owners, which while I would support that, will never in a million years happen in this country. There's nothing that prohibits state industry or nationalistion.

Are you so blind that you can't see the only likely outcome if we leave the EU is far right tyranny? Racists and xenophobes everywhere will hail the Tories as their saviours and elect them yet again, we'll be much worse off than when we started. You want to impose that on us because what, in some hypothetical future we might be able to seize the state and throw out all the CEOs? If the popular support for that was strong enough for it to actually happen it wouldn't matter what the EU said about it to begin with.

If being pro-Leave is such a principled left wing position then why is Corbyn too afraid to come out and say it, and explain to people why? He's hiding behind the Tories like a scondrel and hoping they'll do it so he doesn't have to.


 No.2838233

>>2838231

What a big baby you are, always being a bitch.


 No.2838234

>>2838233

Ignorant cunt, don't blame me when things get even worse post-Brexit. You think things are bad now? Wait until we get even more like America.


 No.2838235

>>2838234

Is Britain sick of debating abortion and the 15 year old girl who joined ISIS? why the fuck do people sperg out when you bring it up


 No.2838237

>>2838231

>why won't Corbyn commit political suicide to satisfy red liberals?


 No.2838239

>>2838235

Because a lot of people on here have way too much sympathy for far right arguments/views

>>2838237

What he's doing now is just slow suicide, do you think the Remain camp is blind and they can't see what he's doing? Leave voters are still backing the Tories and think Corbyn is a marxist agitator so who is he trying to appeal to? If he wants a left wing Brexit he needs to actually say it, the thing people liked about Corbyn was his honesty and frankness, now his reputation is all but ruined (just look at the polls on his trustworthyness).


 No.2838240

>>2838235

He keeps whining about it being wrong or setting a bad precedent or something to strip jihadists of their citizenship, the baby should have been brought back, fair the foreign office should have grabbed it off her and taken it back to the UK or at least intervened to get it medical care, but the mother dug her own grave


 No.2838241

>>2838235

Because he's had every position on the EU spoonfed to him like a little baby and still insists on shitting the place up with his graun tier takes. He is quite literally, in the plainest of terms, a fucking liberal. Look at this fucking shit

>France has a 56% state economy, Britain has 37%, how is there not scope to do all that Corbyn has said he wants to do?

The absolute state of this faggot. I don't even know what he means by it but I know he's been BTFO by whatever it is he's trying to imply dozens of times as I can come back here after weeks and find him repeating the same shit over and over, as if nobody has ever told him before.


 No.2838242

>>2838240

But she was underage when she took that decision, no different than being made a sex slave by someone from her own country at that age, she totally deserves another chance.


 No.2838243

>>2838239

>Far right views

>People that willingly join a fascist death cult and then refuse to so much as apologize or show any genuine contrition deserve what they get

Nah fuck her, certain things are unforgivable, the death of her kid is saddening but ultimately its still her fault


 No.2838246

>>2838241

Show me a link to EXACTLY how the EU would stop Corbyn's policy agenda and I'll read it, nothing I've seen thus far is convincing.

>>2838240

I literally brought it up twice, sorry you can't face the consequences of what you supported.

>>2838243

No different from some circlejerking beer-swilling populist, don't act like people who join the army are any better than her, they at least make the decision when they're at least 18.


 No.2838249

>>2838243

https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1105375856531169280

The EU is forcing France to privatise 150 dams. Corbyn wants to nationalise british electrical production infrastructure.


 No.2838250

>>2838246

>Show me a link to EXACTLY how the EU would stop Corbyn's policy agenda and I'll read it, nothing I've seen thus far is convincing.

You've had it explained to you plenty of times you lying little cunt.


 No.2838256

>>2838249

>>2838250

Yes, I've heard you say it plenty of times, but as I said, I've yet to see real proof. How is it my fault I can't understand it when the so called left wing Brexit crowd is trying to hide in the shadows and not explain anything to the public?

>>2838249

Okay, that's something, I appreciate that, though I feel like it might be difficult to separate out in that case the difference between the EU actually mandating it and the French government using it as an excuse to do something they would like to anyway.

"This is required because since 2006 EDF has been a state owned commercial company rather than a pure public service with special status (that structural change itself was made in response to EU rule liberalising the energy market) and so can’t get preferential treatment"

I'd like to understand this bit better as well. I mean we have a big EDF office in my city, it's hardly like it's an old style national industry.


 No.2838261

Today's proposed 2nd ref amendment has been defeated hard style

334 Noes 85 Ayes


 No.2838262

>>2838256

>I've yet to see real proof

WHY YOU ALWAYS LYING?

www.caef.org.uk/d113rylml.html


 No.2838273

>>2838261

If every Labour MP had voted for the amendment, it would have still failed.


 No.2838276

File: 100f6a3de1e3dc4⋯.jpg (258.71 KB, 1200x1377, 400:459, michel-foucault_122618.jpg)

>>2838234

> don't blame me when things get even worse post-Brexit.

implying your significant enough to be blamed for anything, let alone fucking brexit.


 No.2838277

>>2838273

Yeah I know, pretty funny that 25 ish of them decided to rebel against the whip anyway

There's no better way to show your independence and daring than rebelling on a totally safe and utterly pointless vote


 No.2838279

File: 4a8d4ab796e1d54⋯.png (707.22 KB, 645x960, 43:64, 4a8d4ab796e1d54e3e7f65bc1e….png)

>>2838153

BREAK THE CHAINS


 No.2838280

>>2838262

Again though the government wanted to privatise British Mail anyway so is it really so clearcut? I appreciate this but I still am not really convinced, you've proposed two cases where 1. the EDF was part-privatised because the government wanted to, and now is being forced to compete since it is not fully state owned, 2. the EU may have helped make Royal Mail less profitable (not that there are any sources for this) but the government wanted to privatise it anyway so isn't it a moot point?

As has been pointed out, some EU countries completely ignore certain rules like Italy and Greece so even if they put a demand to Corbyn, which I'm still not totally convinced they would, does he really have to abide by it?

>>2838276

And of course COBRA has been calling you up personally to consult, it's a turn of phrase twat.

>>2838261

When is Labour's proposed vote on an extension then? They do realise there's only 2 weeks left?


 No.2838281

>>2838231

>If being pro-Leave is such a principled left wing position then why is Corbyn too afraid to come out and say it, and explain to people why?

I think he just trying to keep the Remainers and the Leave/North together with a compromise. Really any actual Lexit has to start with with a slight from EU against Corbyn when he enacts his plans to re-nationalize everything


 No.2838292

>extension was voted down

OH FUCK NO DEAL IS HAPPENING


 No.2838294

File: 6dba08e4f708e57⋯.jpg (22.7 KB, 552x364, 138:91, 6dba08e4f708e57fce09522bab….jpg)

>>2838292

Yes… YES!!!


 No.2838295

>>2838139

Nigga, I'm a Totalist


 No.2838297

File: 04fdfaf87324c12⋯.gif (1.76 MB, 219x186, 73:62, kim_jung_un_clapping.gif)

>>2838292

based bongs


 No.2838303

>>2838292

Well the amendments have been voted down, there's still the general gov motion on the extension.

>>2838295

Not all totalists are equal. >>2838179


 No.2838306

>>2838294

>>2838297

>>2838303

The gov motion for an extension passed.


 No.2838307

File: ea9e5885e88aa58⋯.png (229.68 KB, 437x431, 437:431, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2838306

For how long?


 No.2838308

>>2838307

Nobody knows


 No.2838309

>>2838306

I didn't realise that was even happening today.

It's extended til 30th of June.

What a pisstake. Will things be any different by then?


 No.2838310

>>2838307

>>2838309

Its only going to be applying for an extension to the 30th June if the May deal gets approved by the 20th (next week's vote) which is won't, then they'll apply for a longer one.


 No.2838311

File: fdc80e1ed228f78⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 186.22 KB, 500x365, 100:73, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2838309

>Will things be any different by then?


 No.2838339

>>2838309

>>2838310

I heard rumors that one of the nation states (Italy?) may veto it when they vote on


 No.2838379

>>2838306

Doesn't the EU have to agree to an extension?


 No.2838386

File: 8254d2af64117a7⋯.jpg (57.75 KB, 800x533, 800:533, 16.jpg)

Labour Shia coalition when?


 No.2838387

How likely is the Irish Republic getting another 6 counties because of Tory stupidity?


 No.2838638

>>2838387

Likelyhood grows by the day


 No.2840463

File: 940780a8f081ef2⋯.jpg (73.8 KB, 500x365, 100:73, 1551914172478.jpg)

What are we going to do if it doesn't work out lads?


 No.2840475

>>2840463

Everyone move to the Shetland islands and start a commune waheyy


 No.2840483

>>2840463

Join the SDP and shill for socialism as nationalism because then it might as well be.


 No.2841526

https://mobile.twitter.com/graceterbrock/status/1105846597366304768

>yfw Peppa Pig is actually a whitehall psyop to engender britishisms into american culture.


 No.2841657

>>2838179

>read a few kr timelines and AARs

>lawrence coup against the TYRANNICAL mosley

>restores the united KINGDOM

i fucking hate how many normies have found kr since hoi4


 No.2842039

Anyone have any experience with CPGB-ML? They're one of the few parties (other than Labour) that actually seem to do shit near me. I know they have the whole "Stalin portraits" thing going on but honestly that doesn't really bother me that much.


 No.2842063

>>2842039

They have a weird thing against LGBT movements. Obviously rainbow capitalism is shit but they take it pretty far. Labour probably has more possibilities to doing good stuff but it is really dependant were you are

>Congress therefore resolves that the propagation of identity politics, including LGBT ideology, being reactionary and anti-working class and a harmful distraction and diversion from the class struggle of the proletariat for its social emancipation, is incompatible with membership of the party, rendering those involved in its promotion liable to expulsion.


 No.2842084

>>2842063

Yeah. I still find myself agreeing with them on a lot.

Any idea how amenable Labour is to Marxist ideas at the local level, in general at least? Obviously it'll vary from CLP to CLP, but I've heard people talking about hearing Marxist ideas discussed in their CLPs before. I have some (hopefully understandable) reservations about Labour, hence my preference for CPGB-ML, but thinking about it a little more attending the closest CPGB-ML meetings would mean a 90-minute bus ride both ways which might not be too practical.


 No.2842177

>>2842039

I really like Rob Griffiths, the current General Sectretary. He's appeared on Desolation Radio(a podcast about Marxism in Wales) a few times and each time I've come away respecting him and his the CPGB more, so I'm similarly interested.

One point I'm uncertain on is the vehement anti-EU stance which has allowed them to grouped together with UKIP and other right-wing shitheads. I don't entirely disagree with Lexit and shit but I don't know if the average person has patience to understand the differences in the viewpoints


 No.2842198

>>2842177

I think Rob Griffiths is with CPB, rather than CPGB-ML. And I dunno. "The EU is an obstacle to worker's power due to the structure of its constitution" vs. "the EU is bad because muh immigrunts" seems a fairly simple concept to grasp, no?


 No.2842552

>>2842084

From my personal experience I've been at a momentum meeting (all Labour party members) and the topic of nationalisation came up. All of the people there were critical of Labours past nationalisation policies and were talking about how the nationalised industries need to be run by workers councils instead of from Westminster. There were even a couple of M-Ls there. So Marxism is expectable I guess how much you have to hide it being Marxism depends where you are though.

>>2842198

There are so many splinter groups who the fuck knows anymore

>CPGB-ML

>CBGB

>CPB

>RCPB-ML

>CBGB-PC


 No.2842559

>>2842552

Tbh theres great doc on yt about the dissolution of the CPGB. It is kinda weird ngl.


 No.2842567

>>2838246

>>2838239

>>2838234

>>2838231

Capitalist realism personified


 No.2842616

>>2842063

This is mostly itself because of idpol from the Brar family


 No.2842617

>>2842084

You'd think it was entryism with the CLPs, but it's actually just people unironically radicalizing organically, it's actually pretty impressive since this has all happened within the space of a couple of years and shows no sign of slowing down.


 No.2842622

>>2842617

Yeah, its really quite weird tbh. I remember a newsnight programme back in 2015 asking if marx was making a comeback: now im pretty sure stuff is decently well known.


 No.2842670

File: 4682d3585ed2900⋯.jpg (80.87 KB, 700x1533, 100:219, The UK 2025.jpg)


 No.2842675

>>2842552

>>2842617

Interesting, then. I dunno how active my local Momentum are, but my CLP is definitely kicking. If nothing else I figure it's a decent opportunity to get a bit of experience, no?

>>2842670

That entire blog is pretty good tbh: https://scarfolk.blogspot.com/


 No.2842695

File: 8189798efb1f541⋯.png (970.27 KB, 798x900, 133:150, ClipboardImage.png)

Direct rule from Jezza's allotment tbh


 No.2842719

>>2838231

>Are you so blind that you can't see the only likely outcome if we leave the EU is far right tyranny?

In the one post-referendum election we've had, Labour increased their vote share by nearly 10 points. But somehow you are the only person still clinging to this pre-referendum Remainer talking point that Brexit means endless right-wing government.

>You want to impose that on us because what, in some hypothetical future we might be able to seize the state and throw out all the CEOs?

Settling for piss-weak social democracy, or holding out for socialism? Tough one, that.

>>2842063

This is necessary though. You can't allow idpol to get any foothold or it will gradually take over your org.

>>2842084

>the closest CPGB-ML meetings would mean a 90-minute bus ride both ways which might not be too practical.

Where are the meetings and where do you live?

>>2842552

I think most of those groups are dead. CPB and CPGB-ML are the only significant ones. The latter has very few members apparently but they punch above their weight.


 No.2842728

>>2842719

Eh CPB has like ~700 members, for reference the SSP is assUmed to have about 3k. Organisationally trots have outnumbered MLs since the 50s.


 No.2842729

>>2842728

I know the CPB doesn't have many either, but from what I've read the CPGB-ML literally has <100.


 No.2842732


 No.2842734

>>2842729

Yeah, sounds about right.


 No.2842738

>>2842732

The battle for Carlism will be fought on the fronts of Instagram


 No.2842759

>>2842719

>Where are the meetings

Birmingham.

>and where do you live?

Call it Dudley I guess.


 No.2842787

>>2842759

>living in the post-industrial hell hole that is the Black country


 No.2842789

>>2842759

Isn't that about 10 miles? I shouldn't really be surprised that it would take so long, given the absolute state of public transport. I suppose you could ask someone to give you a lift, without necessarily admitting to why you're going to Birmingham.


 No.2842809

Far-right terorism in Surrey. One injured.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-47605547


 No.2842814

>>2842809

How embarrassing must it be that bad of a terrorist.


 No.2842817

>>2842809

Why do i have a feeling this is just gonna be the start after Christchurch…


 No.2842829

>>2842809

>/pol/yp boomers armed with kitchen knives are now throwing themselves at teenagers in an attempt to do the terrorisms

the absolute state


 No.2842834

>>2842789

>I suppose you could ask someone to give you a lift

Don't really know anyone who'd be willing to do it consistently tbh. Ah well.


 No.2842840

>>2842809

So this is the power of the right?


 No.2842849

Couple of interesting videos with Costas over the past few days by RNN, in which he attempts to explain to Americans what exactly Brexit is all about, could be useful for some of our Burger friends. For background, Costas is a Marxist and a Professor in London, he was directly involved with Syriza and was an outspoken critic of their Betrayal and left that party when it happened, so he certainly has experience when it comes to the EU question. Mostly surface level stuff for the lads here but I think he's pretty much correct.

https://youtu.be/jh65ee5U9Kk

https://youtu.be/oIxKXj97EcE


 No.2842850

Thoughts on James bloodworth? On one hand he fucking demolishes neoliberalism to its core, on the otherhand he is such a melt.


 No.2842867

>>2842809

They're somehow more impotent than the Weather Underground and Red Army Faction were back in the 70's


 No.2842987

>>2842849

thank you based tube anon!


 No.2842996

>>2842987

I genuinely can't tell if this is ironic or not, isn't hooktube fucked now, otherwise I would have used that.


 No.2843032

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1106878905225543681

So it appears we may being heading towards a firemen's strike.


 No.2843034

>>2843032

Firemen are fucking awesome


 No.2843249

>>2843034

I sometimes think about that. There's something fascinating about somsone's job literally being to fight against a force of nature and rescue people from it - not in the abstract like a paramedic, where you fight against sickness, injury and disease, but directly, where you fight against fire.

It remains interesting to me that former SNP leader Jim Sillars was a fireman.


 No.2843453

>>2842759

If you can slide down the Midlands Metro, we have an interesting (unaffiliated) little group in Wolvo. Seatch for 'Cognitive Dissidents'.


 No.2843461

>>2842996

Hooktube gives the video a view now unfortunately, but it is useful if you want to watch something on YouTube without it affecting your suggested videos for all fucking eternity.


 No.2843491

>>2843034

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_firefighter_dispute_2002%E2%80%9303

Remember that time they shat on Blair?

>>2843249

Honestly it's weird how everyone forgets they exist, like people will die for the NHS or shill for someone who shot unarmed protestors because they had camo on, but Fire Fighters just get ignored.

Still, if there is a strike: I hope to use it to organise in my town where the tory PCC is trying to shut down out local firestation.


 No.2843517

>Bercow refusing a third Meaningful Vote

O FORTUNA


 No.2843552

>>2843517

So is Maybot going to just push for an extension promising a different deal or is this constitutional crisis going to make all hell break loose and give us a general election?


 No.2843553

>>2843552

Honestly, May might call an election or a referendum now.


 No.2844333

File: c06a8d1e068df71⋯.png (283.17 KB, 1716x940, 429:235, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2843453

Here to Wolverhampton is even further. All I could find were a couple of Facebook posts about a radical film club, would that be it?

>>2843517

We're hitting proper crisis territory, aren't we.

Speaking of crises, was re-reading Left Wing Communism and found pic related pretty interesting. I know this thread is pretty pro-Corbyn, but what do you lads think of pushing for a Labour government in order to allow workers first-hand experience with the flaws and limitations of social democracy? Don't think I've ever seen it bought up here and it's something I've been wondering about for a while. I know CPB are supportive of Labour, but I'm not sure what character their support for them takes on; whether they genuinely believe a Labour government would build socialism in the long run or what. The section in their programme on the limitations of social democracy makes me think it's more like pic related, but yeah.


 No.2844389

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>>2844333

>admit you're hitting crisis territory

>be worried Corby will cuck out like other SuccDems

You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees, because he is expecting to wake up.


 No.2844400

need to figure out how to be funny

keep wanting to write fiction but i'm always derailed by a cack-handed moralism driven by half-baked understandings of leftist theory.

i can see the way out: put the moralising to one side, let the dynamics of the system roll as they do in real life, and don't fear making the bad guy likeable or the protagonist a liberal. but that's easier said than done.


 No.2844410

>>2844389

Are you saying you have faith in Corbyn's Labour building socialism here, or what? I don't really speak video game references

even if max payne was pretty fucking good


 No.2844499

Saying that Corbyn wants to retire has got to be one of the lamest smear ever.


 No.2844502

There’s been lots of stories published in the past few days about Corbyn resigning. If he steps down now there’s a good chance a moderate with half his talent will take leadership. I wouldn’t mind it being someone like Starmer or McDonnell, but they just don’t have Corbyn’s appeal.

Do you think there’s any truth to all these rumours?


 No.2844503

>>2844410

Either be worried about the game playing out in a shitty way, OR about the table the game is being played on being flipped. Not both.


 No.2844510

>>2844499

>Saying that Corbyn wants to retire has got to be one of the lamest smear ever.

I mean Tom Watson isn't exactly the imaginative type


 No.2844511

>>2844502

Pretty sure these rumours have been around for some time. Most likely he will stick it out until another general election, if he wins he will probably only stay PM for a year or so. I don't think he will want to go until it is clear who will replace him from the left


 No.2844515

>>2844502

I wouldn't be surprised tbh, the antisemitism thing over the summer really fucking hit him hard. Also I remember reading in an interview years back that he only wanted "to be in government for a few years anyways".

As for potential successors, there are actually a good crop of lefties that could do a good job. Honestly the whole project will remain as-long-as McDonnell is Chancellor tho. It really helps that a load of the Blairites just autopurged tho.

As for who could be leader, there is quite a selection, with the lower requirements I am sure we will have a couple of great successors to choose from.

>>2844511

Eh I think he may resign just after May, if brexit happens ofc.


 No.2844526

>>2844515

>>2844511

He has got to ride out at least one more GE…


 No.2844533

>>2844333

This is what me and other lads have argued multiple times, we've had long conversations about this in other /leftybritpol/ threads. You understand this is the logical conclusion of Marxism-Benninism right? Benn's project was always about creating the adequate conditions for a transition to Socialism, be that through "non-reformist reforms" (I.E reforms not for the sake of merely improving the conditions of the Working Class Temporarily, but those that make both Working Class & Communist organization more tenable), instilling consciousness into the Working Class that there is an alternative and it relies upon them, Letting them experience the limitations of Social Democracy themselves etc. etc. The Corbyn wing of the party is fully aware of these developments; they're just kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. I've personally argued that this strategy is infinitely more viable now than ever simply because the policy adopted to dismantle Social Democracy & subjugate Labour to Capital (Neoliberalism or whatever you want to call it, I have problems with this term on a few levels) was essentially done in response to different crises brought about by secular decline in profit rates. This has gotten so bad in the wake of the 2008 crisis that it literally is impossible to enact even Social Democratic reforms; and a genuine push for Social Democracy will brazenly show the contradictions to mobilized working people and that beyond the contempt that the Bourgeoisie have for them, is a real set of systemic laws that force opposition. I think "Hiding their power level" is pretty much always used as an exercise in wishful thinking, but this is the most applicable case I've seen. The Task of Communists like CPB is to be ready and waiting when the cracks in Electoral Strategy start to show and Labour are forced into Betrayals.


 No.2844563

>>2844533

WEll another major part of it is that Benn correctly identified that the institutions (both governmental and societal) are run by the same sort of aristocrats that ran them 300 years ago. Unlike the whole of continental Europe, or even America tbh (remember that civil war?), we have never had a "hard reset" on our country. So the point was that even in a full-blown, balls to the wall February-October style revolution that due to how inherently ingrained this elite is into all of our institutions that it would not be possible to dislodge. As such, somewhat like Lenin's dual power, but over a far larger scale. This elite needs to be usurped through the erosion of their economic power. As such, non-reformist reforms.


 No.2844597

>>2844526

>>2844515

Yeah I'm pretty sure he will ride out one more election. My money is on one being at the end of this year.


 No.2844605

>>2844597

I dunno tho, we have to ask the question will Corbyn stay until 2022? I doubt that tbh.


 No.2844607

>>2844563

Yeah I'm not completely well read on all the specifics of the structure of the ruling class with relation to the aristocracy but this is something that a lot of British Communists have spoken about, even Cockshott has his whole thing about expropriating land & means from Lords having a constitutional basis insofar as they're provided those resources by the Monarchy because they're supposed to provide a standing army. A hell of a lot of the British Ruling Class genuinely is still descended from the Fuedal Aristocracy, you can find multiple Billionaires with large stakes in various Firms & Industries.


 No.2844612

>>2844607

Literally Cameron is the descendant of King William IV (ofc illegitimately).


 No.2844617

File: b978de26355aba4⋯.png (1.34 MB, 1192x1670, 596:835, 1553010221675.png)

What goes wrong with brintbong, leftist, frendos?


 No.2844623

File: 74541aad0fa0d2d⋯.png (749.37 KB, 900x600, 3:2, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2844617

Willing to bet its is all her fault tbh.


 No.2844625

>>2844605

But why though?


 No.2844637

>>2844612

I mean you don't even have to go back to the 19th century but yeah, the fact that the Aristocracy in Britain seamlessly transitioned into their new position as Bourgeoisie and maintained all of their institutions is a large part of why Class is perceived in a specific way in Britain that isn't really comparable to the majority of other developed Imperial Core countries. It'd be interesting to dig directly into the holdings of every single House of Lords member, I actually vaguely remember someone making a thread about that a couple of years back.


 No.2844641

>>2844623

i'm still awestruck that such a singularly dislikable person actually existed. i can think of nobody, nobody that is such a singularity of awful. for almost any other human being i can find something to occupy the side of the scale opposite their black, black hearts. Not Thatcher. I could mount a better defence of any other monster to any other audience than I could Margaret Thatcher. Even the most gluttonous capitalist can at least be admired, in a perverse sense, for embodying some occasionally comical sense of disgust. At every turn where she could be admirable Thatcher succeeded in ducking and dodging and ensuring there would be nothing about her worth liking.

It cannot be forgotten that our country produced this singularly irredeemable person. That is a very disturbing development. The yanks at least gave Reagan a sort of fake, grandfatherly personableness. We're used to thinking of yankism as the lowest of the low, but they did a better job. Dear me.


 No.2844651

File: 260f7a3c17840e6⋯.png (388.85 KB, 1016x434, 508:217, iconic duo.png)

>>2844641

>i'm still awestruck that such a singularly dislikable person actually existed. i can think of nobody, nobody that is such a singularity of awful


 No.2844718

>>2844617

>UK has 'wrost quality of life in Europe'

We're Number 1 waheeey get on it lads!!!


 No.2844753

>>2844533

>a genuine push for Social Democracy will brazenly show the contradictions to mobilized working people and that beyond the contempt that the Bourgeoisie have for them, is a real set of systemic laws that force opposition

pipe dreams


 No.2844761

>>2844753

You think that the working class will turn to Fascism when Labour fail then? Because if you believe that to be the case then you better start preparing to fight them. By the way, I'm not arguing that we as Communists should throw our active support behind Labour, rather we should work with them when it is directly beneficial but otherwise ruthlessly critique them as usual; what I am arguing for though, is to heavily shadow them and start seriously organizing because we can see the fallout, and we must be there to guide workers.


 No.2844765

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>>2844641

>i'm still awestruck that such a singularly dislikable person actually existed. i can think of nobody, nobody that is such a singularity of awful.

Think better.

t. French anon


 No.2844772

>>2844765

Macron has the benefit of being a symptom of liberal collapse in his destruction of the french two-party system and consolidating the forces of liberalism into one party of useless, inept hacks. There's something farcical and poetic in him as an element of the historical narrative, he's the sort of villain who we relish in fighting and defeating, whereas Thatcher was just pure uncompromising evil being malevolent for its own sake.


 No.2844776

>>2844765

Macron is more of a comedic character, totally out of his depth, a retarded child pretending to be a god emperor,


 No.2844812

>>2844765

He's at least funny. Like, he's a terrible horrible person and leader - but he's redeemed by his arrogance. Thatcher thought she was better than royalty, but it wasn't an entertaining part of her character like it was for the Jupeterian president with ideas too complicated for journalists. Thatcher is redeemed by nothing.


 No.2844867

Don't suppose anyone's got a PDF of Mark Fisher's posthumous book?


 No.2844868

>>2844503

I don't quite see how entering into a constitutional crisis now and the inability of a theoretical future Labour government to build socialism are interlinked, though. Maybe I'm just being slow here.

>The Task of Communists like CPB is to be ready and waiting when the cracks in Electoral Strategy start to show and Labour are forced into Betrayals.

Pretty much what I was getting at in that post, yeah.

>>2844753

>pipe dreams

Alright, but d'you mind expanding on your line of thought here?




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