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 No.2838096

Don't forget, you're here forever.

Previous thread: >>2824413

 No.2838103

File: 7fcd8b015b6daf0⋯.png (7.14 KB, 1200x865, 240:173, chartist.png)

>>2838096

At the pace we're going, how long till the British Peoples' Republic?


 No.2838105

File: 7d4d57f5fa0d6f0⋯.jpg (27.99 KB, 385x480, 77:96, bumble.jpg)

Mogg is a soviet sleeper asset.

Codename: Mr. Bumble.


 No.2838110

Why does every party and indipendent in the commons spend there time attacking labour for not supporting second ref?! I legit don't understand.. If they Hate brexit so much then shouldn't they be putting that at the feet of and attacking the cons, instead of laying it all on labour or directly corbyn?! It's crazy…


 No.2838114

>>2838110

Because they don't actually care about brexit anon, they just don't like Corbyn.


 No.2838120

>>2838114

I don't think that's true. I mean, yea. they hate corbyn but these people have built there whole identity around brexit over the last few years. you know it's all there middle class friends are talking about at the dinner parties, just how awefull it is that us poor, misguided plebs voted to leave the wonderful, wonderful EU… 'I mean, just look what gains it has given us! look at our GDP!!!'


 No.2838126

>>2838120

Oh that's mostly to do with Blairism mutating into Europhillia. It's best shown by "Blair's achievements" being passed off as the EU's. I've heard people say "without the EU we wouldn't have the minimum wage" which is weird because that used to be Blair's big boi thing. It's basically middle class false identity forming around ensuring they stay fine, even if it means screwing over the people before it.


 No.2838129

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>>2838110

>I legit don't understand.. If they Hate brexit so much then shouldn't they be putting that at the feet of and attacking the cons, instead of laying it all on labour or directly corbyn?! It's crazy

That's because tories are dutifully playing their assigned part in the puppet theatre of bourgeois democracy, the (controlled) opposition is being sic'd on Labour because its not sticking to the (porky approved) script.


 No.2838131

>>2838103

>Not Union of Britain

smh


 No.2838132

>>2838129

Damn, Seamas has a nice coat. Man just gets better and better.


 No.2838138

>>2838132

It's funny how much he makes the Blairites mad as fuck. At this point anyone you see bitching about "The Four M's" is practically a confirmed anti-socialist.


 No.2838139

File: f592f19fc1fb72c⋯.png (698.67 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, tukh.png)

>>2838131

SYNDIES OUT


 No.2838141

still howl that some on the far-right of the labour party think Ed Miliband was a 'trot'


 No.2838143

File: 05b2190536bd2b9⋯.png (291.43 KB, 590x350, 59:35, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2838139

You fuckign want some?


 No.2838144

>>2838138

Four Ms?


 No.2838148

>>2838144

Milne and McCluskey, and the lesser known two are Andrew Murray and Karie Murphy.


 No.2838149

File: a13f9c5b8bff692⋯.png (448.02 KB, 614x410, 307:205, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2838143

DIRECT RULE FROM THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE


 No.2838151

File: 2afb66cd9afe1ee⋯.png (474.57 KB, 968x681, 968:681, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2838149

The TUC will never yield!


 No.2838152

>>2838149

MILNE FOR GENERAL SECRETARY


 No.2838153

File: 1b9da70e71aa6a5⋯.jpg (41.21 KB, 820x550, 82:55, milne.jpg)

>>2838151

Then it will be removed…


 No.2838157

File: 7397338c9d8ba73⋯.png (581.77 KB, 1120x581, 160:83, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2838153

You can't just do that!


 No.2838161

File: 23cba9b3f6dfa61⋯.png (616.21 KB, 1188x627, 36:19, seumas milne.png)


 No.2838168

Honestly I just came to the realisation that in the Kr timeline that Enoch powell would have been a Totalist and I am not sure what I think about that…


 No.2838179

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File: 72e8fdc1e7fd2df⋯.png (373.89 KB, 1800x800, 9:4, ClipboardImage.png)

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>>2838168

>I am not sure what I think about that

Not much tbh.

Its simple, Totalism (totalist) is bad, Totalism (vanguardist) is good.


 No.2838181

The brainlets really are running the asylum now, they're looking at the fucking Vienna Convention to see if they can just call do overs since no one understood that this kind of clusterfuck was possible, when any reading of it clearly states that being fucking retarded doesn't constitute a situation where its ok to ignore international treaty convention


 No.2838182

>>2838181

This has to be the most specific vague statement I have ever read.


 No.2838184

>>2838179

>>2838168

I can't be bothered with KR anymore, I've only managed to complete a CSA and UOB game, I drowned the world in my own blood as the CSA and sat on my little island shitting out planes until I unlocked nukes as the UOB

Does anyone know how to win as the great Khanate? I always end up getting shit on by the Qing or the German puppet that controls southern china


 No.2838187

>>2838182

You're welcome

Basically they are looking at Article 62 of the vienna convention, which is the convention that governs how states treat treaties between states, and are trying to see if the absolute mess that brexit has become gives the EU and UK the option of legally acting as if the whole thing never happened, specifically because Art62 allows for no fault nullification of a treaty in situations where they've become impossible to fulfill due to unforeseen circumstances


 No.2838189


 No.2838190

>>2838179

GF memes are cancer. i always think it's probably the kids that will grow up to be permavirgins or some shit.


 No.2838191

At this point the rest of the EU is going to fuck off before us so we won't even have anything to leave.


 No.2838192


 No.2838193

Remainer twitter is a weird and wild place

https://twitter.com/OFOCBrexit/status/1072510982021373952


 No.2838196

File: 67eca5faf66d710⋯.gif (2.49 MB, 400x300, 4:3, 1355120724160.gif)


 No.2838199

>>2838193

>a fucking LOTR reference

Now that's out of the way wasn't Mordor the industrial heart of the orc empire?


 No.2838206

>>2838193

Listen to that shit music tho… These people are so impotent, i can't wait till they go away.. Also, whoever invented twitter and gave these people such a platform should be shot.


 No.2838208

>>2838193

kinda funny

>>2838199

They did it by destroying the environment and the workers being just replaceable drones, fairly apropos metaphor

Anyways, I'm still hoping for remain, if Corbyn is really serious about Lexit he should convince people like me.


 No.2838213

>>2838208

>Anyways, I'm still hoping for remain

We know, you tell us whenever you're not fighting for jihadi rights.


 No.2838214

>>2838208

Most Labour constituencies want it, most marginal constituencies want it.

With EU rules against government interference and nationalizations, any even remotely socialist program necessitates leaving the EU by default. Or did you intend to pretend that being left-wing is acceptable in the EU or that you are yourself left-wing?


 No.2838217

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>>2838199

Mordor was a progressive, bourgeois democratic, constitutional monarchy, spearheading the industrial revolution in middle-earth, the wholly fictitious anti-mordor narrative written by the victors is based entirely in covering up the aggression of the reactionary feudalistic western powers, dehumanising the orcish and troll peoples and the plotting of the white council and entrenched ultrareactionary {{{elven}}} interests to maintain their dominion over middle-earth.


 No.2838230

>>2838217

Oh wow, this book was very good. Havn't read it since i was a teenager. Gonna re-read or try to find audio… Thanks!!!<3


 No.2838231

>>2838213

What a big man you are, campaigning for the deaths of babies and punishing people for being groomed age 15. Absolute scumbag.

>>2838214

The actual percentages are piddling, are we going to be held hostage because 1.5% of people wanted Brexit more than Remain 2 years ago? I mean if we're just going to play electoralist opinion poll politics why not just bring New Labour back?

France has a 56% state economy, Britain has 37%, how is there not scope to do all that Corbyn has said he wants to do? The only thing that I'm aware that the EU bans is nationalisation without compensation to the current owners, which while I would support that, will never in a million years happen in this country. There's nothing that prohibits state industry or nationalistion.

Are you so blind that you can't see the only likely outcome if we leave the EU is far right tyranny? Racists and xenophobes everywhere will hail the Tories as their saviours and elect them yet again, we'll be much worse off than when we started. You want to impose that on us because what, in some hypothetical future we might be able to seize the state and throw out all the CEOs? If the popular support for that was strong enough for it to actually happen it wouldn't matter what the EU said about it to begin with.

If being pro-Leave is such a principled left wing position then why is Corbyn too afraid to come out and say it, and explain to people why? He's hiding behind the Tories like a scondrel and hoping they'll do it so he doesn't have to.


 No.2838233

>>2838231

What a big baby you are, always being a bitch.


 No.2838234

>>2838233

Ignorant cunt, don't blame me when things get even worse post-Brexit. You think things are bad now? Wait until we get even more like America.


 No.2838235

>>2838234

Is Britain sick of debating abortion and the 15 year old girl who joined ISIS? why the fuck do people sperg out when you bring it up


 No.2838237

>>2838231

>why won't Corbyn commit political suicide to satisfy red liberals?


 No.2838239

>>2838235

Because a lot of people on here have way too much sympathy for far right arguments/views

>>2838237

What he's doing now is just slow suicide, do you think the Remain camp is blind and they can't see what he's doing? Leave voters are still backing the Tories and think Corbyn is a marxist agitator so who is he trying to appeal to? If he wants a left wing Brexit he needs to actually say it, the thing people liked about Corbyn was his honesty and frankness, now his reputation is all but ruined (just look at the polls on his trustworthyness).


 No.2838240

>>2838235

He keeps whining about it being wrong or setting a bad precedent or something to strip jihadists of their citizenship, the baby should have been brought back, fair the foreign office should have grabbed it off her and taken it back to the UK or at least intervened to get it medical care, but the mother dug her own grave


 No.2838241

>>2838235

Because he's had every position on the EU spoonfed to him like a little baby and still insists on shitting the place up with his graun tier takes. He is quite literally, in the plainest of terms, a fucking liberal. Look at this fucking shit

>France has a 56% state economy, Britain has 37%, how is there not scope to do all that Corbyn has said he wants to do?

The absolute state of this faggot. I don't even know what he means by it but I know he's been BTFO by whatever it is he's trying to imply dozens of times as I can come back here after weeks and find him repeating the same shit over and over, as if nobody has ever told him before.


 No.2838242

>>2838240

But she was underage when she took that decision, no different than being made a sex slave by someone from her own country at that age, she totally deserves another chance.


 No.2838243

>>2838239

>Far right views

>People that willingly join a fascist death cult and then refuse to so much as apologize or show any genuine contrition deserve what they get

Nah fuck her, certain things are unforgivable, the death of her kid is saddening but ultimately its still her fault


 No.2838246

>>2838241

Show me a link to EXACTLY how the EU would stop Corbyn's policy agenda and I'll read it, nothing I've seen thus far is convincing.

>>2838240

I literally brought it up twice, sorry you can't face the consequences of what you supported.

>>2838243

No different from some circlejerking beer-swilling populist, don't act like people who join the army are any better than her, they at least make the decision when they're at least 18.


 No.2838249

>>2838243

https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1105375856531169280

The EU is forcing France to privatise 150 dams. Corbyn wants to nationalise british electrical production infrastructure.


 No.2838250

>>2838246

>Show me a link to EXACTLY how the EU would stop Corbyn's policy agenda and I'll read it, nothing I've seen thus far is convincing.

You've had it explained to you plenty of times you lying little cunt.


 No.2838256

>>2838249

>>2838250

Yes, I've heard you say it plenty of times, but as I said, I've yet to see real proof. How is it my fault I can't understand it when the so called left wing Brexit crowd is trying to hide in the shadows and not explain anything to the public?

>>2838249

Okay, that's something, I appreciate that, though I feel like it might be difficult to separate out in that case the difference between the EU actually mandating it and the French government using it as an excuse to do something they would like to anyway.

"This is required because since 2006 EDF has been a state owned commercial company rather than a pure public service with special status (that structural change itself was made in response to EU rule liberalising the energy market) and so can’t get preferential treatment"

I'd like to understand this bit better as well. I mean we have a big EDF office in my city, it's hardly like it's an old style national industry.


 No.2838261

Today's proposed 2nd ref amendment has been defeated hard style

334 Noes 85 Ayes


 No.2838262

>>2838256

>I've yet to see real proof

WHY YOU ALWAYS LYING?

www.caef.org.uk/d113rylml.html


 No.2838273

>>2838261

If every Labour MP had voted for the amendment, it would have still failed.


 No.2838276

File: 100f6a3de1e3dc4⋯.jpg (258.71 KB, 1200x1377, 400:459, michel-foucault_122618.jpg)

>>2838234

> don't blame me when things get even worse post-Brexit.

implying your significant enough to be blamed for anything, let alone fucking brexit.


 No.2838277

>>2838273

Yeah I know, pretty funny that 25 ish of them decided to rebel against the whip anyway

There's no better way to show your independence and daring than rebelling on a totally safe and utterly pointless vote


 No.2838279

File: 4a8d4ab796e1d54⋯.png (707.22 KB, 645x960, 43:64, 4a8d4ab796e1d54e3e7f65bc1e….png)

>>2838153

BREAK THE CHAINS


 No.2838280

>>2838262

Again though the government wanted to privatise British Mail anyway so is it really so clearcut? I appreciate this but I still am not really convinced, you've proposed two cases where 1. the EDF was part-privatised because the government wanted to, and now is being forced to compete since it is not fully state owned, 2. the EU may have helped make Royal Mail less profitable (not that there are any sources for this) but the government wanted to privatise it anyway so isn't it a moot point?

As has been pointed out, some EU countries completely ignore certain rules like Italy and Greece so even if they put a demand to Corbyn, which I'm still not totally convinced they would, does he really have to abide by it?

>>2838276

And of course COBRA has been calling you up personally to consult, it's a turn of phrase twat.

>>2838261

When is Labour's proposed vote on an extension then? They do realise there's only 2 weeks left?


 No.2838281

>>2838231

>If being pro-Leave is such a principled left wing position then why is Corbyn too afraid to come out and say it, and explain to people why?

I think he just trying to keep the Remainers and the Leave/North together with a compromise. Really any actual Lexit has to start with with a slight from EU against Corbyn when he enacts his plans to re-nationalize everything


 No.2838292

>extension was voted down

OH FUCK NO DEAL IS HAPPENING


 No.2838294

File: 6dba08e4f708e57⋯.jpg (22.7 KB, 552x364, 138:91, 6dba08e4f708e57fce09522bab….jpg)

>>2838292

Yes… YES!!!


 No.2838295

>>2838139

Nigga, I'm a Totalist


 No.2838297

File: 04fdfaf87324c12⋯.gif (1.76 MB, 219x186, 73:62, kim_jung_un_clapping.gif)

>>2838292

based bongs


 No.2838303

>>2838292

Well the amendments have been voted down, there's still the general gov motion on the extension.

>>2838295

Not all totalists are equal. >>2838179


 No.2838306

>>2838294

>>2838297

>>2838303

The gov motion for an extension passed.


 No.2838307

File: ea9e5885e88aa58⋯.png (229.68 KB, 437x431, 437:431, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2838306

For how long?


 No.2838308

>>2838307

Nobody knows


 No.2838309

>>2838306

I didn't realise that was even happening today.

It's extended til 30th of June.

What a pisstake. Will things be any different by then?


 No.2838310

>>2838307

>>2838309

Its only going to be applying for an extension to the 30th June if the May deal gets approved by the 20th (next week's vote) which is won't, then they'll apply for a longer one.


 No.2838311

File: fdc80e1ed228f78⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 186.22 KB, 500x365, 100:73, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2838309

>Will things be any different by then?


 No.2838339

>>2838309

>>2838310

I heard rumors that one of the nation states (Italy?) may veto it when they vote on


 No.2838379

>>2838306

Doesn't the EU have to agree to an extension?


 No.2838386

File: 8254d2af64117a7⋯.jpg (57.75 KB, 800x533, 800:533, 16.jpg)

Labour Shia coalition when?


 No.2838387

How likely is the Irish Republic getting another 6 counties because of Tory stupidity?


 No.2838638

>>2838387

Likelyhood grows by the day


 No.2840463

File: 940780a8f081ef2⋯.jpg (73.8 KB, 500x365, 100:73, 1551914172478.jpg)

What are we going to do if it doesn't work out lads?


 No.2840475

>>2840463

Everyone move to the Shetland islands and start a commune waheyy


 No.2840483

>>2840463

Join the SDP and shill for socialism as nationalism because then it might as well be.


 No.2841526

https://mobile.twitter.com/graceterbrock/status/1105846597366304768

>yfw Peppa Pig is actually a whitehall psyop to engender britishisms into american culture.


 No.2841657

>>2838179

>read a few kr timelines and AARs

>lawrence coup against the TYRANNICAL mosley

>restores the united KINGDOM

i fucking hate how many normies have found kr since hoi4


 No.2842039

Anyone have any experience with CPGB-ML? They're one of the few parties (other than Labour) that actually seem to do shit near me. I know they have the whole "Stalin portraits" thing going on but honestly that doesn't really bother me that much.


 No.2842063

>>2842039

They have a weird thing against LGBT movements. Obviously rainbow capitalism is shit but they take it pretty far. Labour probably has more possibilities to doing good stuff but it is really dependant were you are

>Congress therefore resolves that the propagation of identity politics, including LGBT ideology, being reactionary and anti-working class and a harmful distraction and diversion from the class struggle of the proletariat for its social emancipation, is incompatible with membership of the party, rendering those involved in its promotion liable to expulsion.


 No.2842084

>>2842063

Yeah. I still find myself agreeing with them on a lot.

Any idea how amenable Labour is to Marxist ideas at the local level, in general at least? Obviously it'll vary from CLP to CLP, but I've heard people talking about hearing Marxist ideas discussed in their CLPs before. I have some (hopefully understandable) reservations about Labour, hence my preference for CPGB-ML, but thinking about it a little more attending the closest CPGB-ML meetings would mean a 90-minute bus ride both ways which might not be too practical.


 No.2842177

>>2842039

I really like Rob Griffiths, the current General Sectretary. He's appeared on Desolation Radio(a podcast about Marxism in Wales) a few times and each time I've come away respecting him and his the CPGB more, so I'm similarly interested.

One point I'm uncertain on is the vehement anti-EU stance which has allowed them to grouped together with UKIP and other right-wing shitheads. I don't entirely disagree with Lexit and shit but I don't know if the average person has patience to understand the differences in the viewpoints


 No.2842198

>>2842177

I think Rob Griffiths is with CPB, rather than CPGB-ML. And I dunno. "The EU is an obstacle to worker's power due to the structure of its constitution" vs. "the EU is bad because muh immigrunts" seems a fairly simple concept to grasp, no?


 No.2842552

>>2842084

From my personal experience I've been at a momentum meeting (all Labour party members) and the topic of nationalisation came up. All of the people there were critical of Labours past nationalisation policies and were talking about how the nationalised industries need to be run by workers councils instead of from Westminster. There were even a couple of M-Ls there. So Marxism is expectable I guess how much you have to hide it being Marxism depends where you are though.

>>2842198

There are so many splinter groups who the fuck knows anymore

>CPGB-ML

>CBGB

>CPB

>RCPB-ML

>CBGB-PC


 No.2842559

>>2842552

Tbh theres great doc on yt about the dissolution of the CPGB. It is kinda weird ngl.


 No.2842567

>>2838246

>>2838239

>>2838234

>>2838231

Capitalist realism personified


 No.2842616

>>2842063

This is mostly itself because of idpol from the Brar family


 No.2842617

>>2842084

You'd think it was entryism with the CLPs, but it's actually just people unironically radicalizing organically, it's actually pretty impressive since this has all happened within the space of a couple of years and shows no sign of slowing down.


 No.2842622

>>2842617

Yeah, its really quite weird tbh. I remember a newsnight programme back in 2015 asking if marx was making a comeback: now im pretty sure stuff is decently well known.


 No.2842670

File: 4682d3585ed2900⋯.jpg (80.87 KB, 700x1533, 100:219, The UK 2025.jpg)


 No.2842675

>>2842552

>>2842617

Interesting, then. I dunno how active my local Momentum are, but my CLP is definitely kicking. If nothing else I figure it's a decent opportunity to get a bit of experience, no?

>>2842670

That entire blog is pretty good tbh: https://scarfolk.blogspot.com/


 No.2842695

File: 8189798efb1f541⋯.png (970.27 KB, 798x900, 133:150, ClipboardImage.png)

Direct rule from Jezza's allotment tbh


 No.2842719

>>2838231

>Are you so blind that you can't see the only likely outcome if we leave the EU is far right tyranny?

In the one post-referendum election we've had, Labour increased their vote share by nearly 10 points. But somehow you are the only person still clinging to this pre-referendum Remainer talking point that Brexit means endless right-wing government.

>You want to impose that on us because what, in some hypothetical future we might be able to seize the state and throw out all the CEOs?

Settling for piss-weak social democracy, or holding out for socialism? Tough one, that.

>>2842063

This is necessary though. You can't allow idpol to get any foothold or it will gradually take over your org.

>>2842084

>the closest CPGB-ML meetings would mean a 90-minute bus ride both ways which might not be too practical.

Where are the meetings and where do you live?

>>2842552

I think most of those groups are dead. CPB and CPGB-ML are the only significant ones. The latter has very few members apparently but they punch above their weight.


 No.2842728

>>2842719

Eh CPB has like ~700 members, for reference the SSP is assUmed to have about 3k. Organisationally trots have outnumbered MLs since the 50s.


 No.2842729

>>2842728

I know the CPB doesn't have many either, but from what I've read the CPGB-ML literally has <100.


 No.2842732


 No.2842734

>>2842729

Yeah, sounds about right.


 No.2842738

>>2842732

The battle for Carlism will be fought on the fronts of Instagram


 No.2842759

>>2842719

>Where are the meetings

Birmingham.

>and where do you live?

Call it Dudley I guess.


 No.2842787

>>2842759

>living in the post-industrial hell hole that is the Black country


 No.2842789

>>2842759

Isn't that about 10 miles? I shouldn't really be surprised that it would take so long, given the absolute state of public transport. I suppose you could ask someone to give you a lift, without necessarily admitting to why you're going to Birmingham.


 No.2842809

Far-right terorism in Surrey. One injured.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-47605547


 No.2842814

>>2842809

How embarrassing must it be that bad of a terrorist.


 No.2842817

>>2842809

Why do i have a feeling this is just gonna be the start after Christchurch…


 No.2842829

>>2842809

>/pol/yp boomers armed with kitchen knives are now throwing themselves at teenagers in an attempt to do the terrorisms

the absolute state


 No.2842834

>>2842789

>I suppose you could ask someone to give you a lift

Don't really know anyone who'd be willing to do it consistently tbh. Ah well.


 No.2842840

>>2842809

So this is the power of the right?


 No.2842849

Couple of interesting videos with Costas over the past few days by RNN, in which he attempts to explain to Americans what exactly Brexit is all about, could be useful for some of our Burger friends. For background, Costas is a Marxist and a Professor in London, he was directly involved with Syriza and was an outspoken critic of their Betrayal and left that party when it happened, so he certainly has experience when it comes to the EU question. Mostly surface level stuff for the lads here but I think he's pretty much correct.

https://youtu.be/jh65ee5U9Kk

https://youtu.be/oIxKXj97EcE


 No.2842850

Thoughts on James bloodworth? On one hand he fucking demolishes neoliberalism to its core, on the otherhand he is such a melt.


 No.2842867

>>2842809

They're somehow more impotent than the Weather Underground and Red Army Faction were back in the 70's


 No.2842987

>>2842849

thank you based tube anon!


 No.2842996

>>2842987

I genuinely can't tell if this is ironic or not, isn't hooktube fucked now, otherwise I would have used that.


 No.2843032

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1106878905225543681

So it appears we may being heading towards a firemen's strike.


 No.2843034

>>2843032

Firemen are fucking awesome


 No.2843249

>>2843034

I sometimes think about that. There's something fascinating about somsone's job literally being to fight against a force of nature and rescue people from it - not in the abstract like a paramedic, where you fight against sickness, injury and disease, but directly, where you fight against fire.

It remains interesting to me that former SNP leader Jim Sillars was a fireman.


 No.2843453

>>2842759

If you can slide down the Midlands Metro, we have an interesting (unaffiliated) little group in Wolvo. Seatch for 'Cognitive Dissidents'.


 No.2843461

>>2842996

Hooktube gives the video a view now unfortunately, but it is useful if you want to watch something on YouTube without it affecting your suggested videos for all fucking eternity.


 No.2843491

>>2843034

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_firefighter_dispute_2002%E2%80%9303

Remember that time they shat on Blair?

>>2843249

Honestly it's weird how everyone forgets they exist, like people will die for the NHS or shill for someone who shot unarmed protestors because they had camo on, but Fire Fighters just get ignored.

Still, if there is a strike: I hope to use it to organise in my town where the tory PCC is trying to shut down out local firestation.


 No.2843517

>Bercow refusing a third Meaningful Vote

O FORTUNA


 No.2843552

>>2843517

So is Maybot going to just push for an extension promising a different deal or is this constitutional crisis going to make all hell break loose and give us a general election?


 No.2843553

>>2843552

Honestly, May might call an election or a referendum now.


 No.2844333

File: c06a8d1e068df71⋯.png (283.17 KB, 1716x940, 429:235, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2843453

Here to Wolverhampton is even further. All I could find were a couple of Facebook posts about a radical film club, would that be it?

>>2843517

We're hitting proper crisis territory, aren't we.

Speaking of crises, was re-reading Left Wing Communism and found pic related pretty interesting. I know this thread is pretty pro-Corbyn, but what do you lads think of pushing for a Labour government in order to allow workers first-hand experience with the flaws and limitations of social democracy? Don't think I've ever seen it bought up here and it's something I've been wondering about for a while. I know CPB are supportive of Labour, but I'm not sure what character their support for them takes on; whether they genuinely believe a Labour government would build socialism in the long run or what. The section in their programme on the limitations of social democracy makes me think it's more like pic related, but yeah.


 No.2844389

File: 99bbeb46df8fc41⋯.jpg (36.67 KB, 234x234, 1:1, 1345514625338.jpg)

>>2844333

>admit you're hitting crisis territory

>be worried Corby will cuck out like other SuccDems

You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees, because he is expecting to wake up.


 No.2844400

need to figure out how to be funny

keep wanting to write fiction but i'm always derailed by a cack-handed moralism driven by half-baked understandings of leftist theory.

i can see the way out: put the moralising to one side, let the dynamics of the system roll as they do in real life, and don't fear making the bad guy likeable or the protagonist a liberal. but that's easier said than done.


 No.2844410

>>2844389

Are you saying you have faith in Corbyn's Labour building socialism here, or what? I don't really speak video game references

even if max payne was pretty fucking good


 No.2844499

Saying that Corbyn wants to retire has got to be one of the lamest smear ever.


 No.2844502

There’s been lots of stories published in the past few days about Corbyn resigning. If he steps down now there’s a good chance a moderate with half his talent will take leadership. I wouldn’t mind it being someone like Starmer or McDonnell, but they just don’t have Corbyn’s appeal.

Do you think there’s any truth to all these rumours?


 No.2844503

>>2844410

Either be worried about the game playing out in a shitty way, OR about the table the game is being played on being flipped. Not both.


 No.2844510

>>2844499

>Saying that Corbyn wants to retire has got to be one of the lamest smear ever.

I mean Tom Watson isn't exactly the imaginative type


 No.2844511

>>2844502

Pretty sure these rumours have been around for some time. Most likely he will stick it out until another general election, if he wins he will probably only stay PM for a year or so. I don't think he will want to go until it is clear who will replace him from the left


 No.2844515

>>2844502

I wouldn't be surprised tbh, the antisemitism thing over the summer really fucking hit him hard. Also I remember reading in an interview years back that he only wanted "to be in government for a few years anyways".

As for potential successors, there are actually a good crop of lefties that could do a good job. Honestly the whole project will remain as-long-as McDonnell is Chancellor tho. It really helps that a load of the Blairites just autopurged tho.

As for who could be leader, there is quite a selection, with the lower requirements I am sure we will have a couple of great successors to choose from.

>>2844511

Eh I think he may resign just after May, if brexit happens ofc.


 No.2844526

>>2844515

>>2844511

He has got to ride out at least one more GE…


 No.2844533

>>2844333

This is what me and other lads have argued multiple times, we've had long conversations about this in other /leftybritpol/ threads. You understand this is the logical conclusion of Marxism-Benninism right? Benn's project was always about creating the adequate conditions for a transition to Socialism, be that through "non-reformist reforms" (I.E reforms not for the sake of merely improving the conditions of the Working Class Temporarily, but those that make both Working Class & Communist organization more tenable), instilling consciousness into the Working Class that there is an alternative and it relies upon them, Letting them experience the limitations of Social Democracy themselves etc. etc. The Corbyn wing of the party is fully aware of these developments; they're just kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. I've personally argued that this strategy is infinitely more viable now than ever simply because the policy adopted to dismantle Social Democracy & subjugate Labour to Capital (Neoliberalism or whatever you want to call it, I have problems with this term on a few levels) was essentially done in response to different crises brought about by secular decline in profit rates. This has gotten so bad in the wake of the 2008 crisis that it literally is impossible to enact even Social Democratic reforms; and a genuine push for Social Democracy will brazenly show the contradictions to mobilized working people and that beyond the contempt that the Bourgeoisie have for them, is a real set of systemic laws that force opposition. I think "Hiding their power level" is pretty much always used as an exercise in wishful thinking, but this is the most applicable case I've seen. The Task of Communists like CPB is to be ready and waiting when the cracks in Electoral Strategy start to show and Labour are forced into Betrayals.


 No.2844563

>>2844533

WEll another major part of it is that Benn correctly identified that the institutions (both governmental and societal) are run by the same sort of aristocrats that ran them 300 years ago. Unlike the whole of continental Europe, or even America tbh (remember that civil war?), we have never had a "hard reset" on our country. So the point was that even in a full-blown, balls to the wall February-October style revolution that due to how inherently ingrained this elite is into all of our institutions that it would not be possible to dislodge. As such, somewhat like Lenin's dual power, but over a far larger scale. This elite needs to be usurped through the erosion of their economic power. As such, non-reformist reforms.


 No.2844597

>>2844526

>>2844515

Yeah I'm pretty sure he will ride out one more election. My money is on one being at the end of this year.


 No.2844605

>>2844597

I dunno tho, we have to ask the question will Corbyn stay until 2022? I doubt that tbh.


 No.2844607

>>2844563

Yeah I'm not completely well read on all the specifics of the structure of the ruling class with relation to the aristocracy but this is something that a lot of British Communists have spoken about, even Cockshott has his whole thing about expropriating land & means from Lords having a constitutional basis insofar as they're provided those resources by the Monarchy because they're supposed to provide a standing army. A hell of a lot of the British Ruling Class genuinely is still descended from the Fuedal Aristocracy, you can find multiple Billionaires with large stakes in various Firms & Industries.


 No.2844612

>>2844607

Literally Cameron is the descendant of King William IV (ofc illegitimately).


 No.2844617

File: b978de26355aba4⋯.png (1.34 MB, 1192x1670, 596:835, 1553010221675.png)

What goes wrong with brintbong, leftist, frendos?


 No.2844623

File: 74541aad0fa0d2d⋯.png (749.37 KB, 900x600, 3:2, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2844617

Willing to bet its is all her fault tbh.


 No.2844625

>>2844605

But why though?


 No.2844637

>>2844612

I mean you don't even have to go back to the 19th century but yeah, the fact that the Aristocracy in Britain seamlessly transitioned into their new position as Bourgeoisie and maintained all of their institutions is a large part of why Class is perceived in a specific way in Britain that isn't really comparable to the majority of other developed Imperial Core countries. It'd be interesting to dig directly into the holdings of every single House of Lords member, I actually vaguely remember someone making a thread about that a couple of years back.


 No.2844641

>>2844623

i'm still awestruck that such a singularly dislikable person actually existed. i can think of nobody, nobody that is such a singularity of awful. for almost any other human being i can find something to occupy the side of the scale opposite their black, black hearts. Not Thatcher. I could mount a better defence of any other monster to any other audience than I could Margaret Thatcher. Even the most gluttonous capitalist can at least be admired, in a perverse sense, for embodying some occasionally comical sense of disgust. At every turn where she could be admirable Thatcher succeeded in ducking and dodging and ensuring there would be nothing about her worth liking.

It cannot be forgotten that our country produced this singularly irredeemable person. That is a very disturbing development. The yanks at least gave Reagan a sort of fake, grandfatherly personableness. We're used to thinking of yankism as the lowest of the low, but they did a better job. Dear me.


 No.2844651

File: 260f7a3c17840e6⋯.png (388.85 KB, 1016x434, 508:217, iconic duo.png)

>>2844641

>i'm still awestruck that such a singularly dislikable person actually existed. i can think of nobody, nobody that is such a singularity of awful


 No.2844718

>>2844617

>UK has 'wrost quality of life in Europe'

We're Number 1 waheeey get on it lads!!!


 No.2844753

>>2844533

>a genuine push for Social Democracy will brazenly show the contradictions to mobilized working people and that beyond the contempt that the Bourgeoisie have for them, is a real set of systemic laws that force opposition

pipe dreams


 No.2844761

>>2844753

You think that the working class will turn to Fascism when Labour fail then? Because if you believe that to be the case then you better start preparing to fight them. By the way, I'm not arguing that we as Communists should throw our active support behind Labour, rather we should work with them when it is directly beneficial but otherwise ruthlessly critique them as usual; what I am arguing for though, is to heavily shadow them and start seriously organizing because we can see the fallout, and we must be there to guide workers.


 No.2844765

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>>2844641

>i'm still awestruck that such a singularly dislikable person actually existed. i can think of nobody, nobody that is such a singularity of awful.

Think better.

t. French anon


 No.2844772

>>2844765

Macron has the benefit of being a symptom of liberal collapse in his destruction of the french two-party system and consolidating the forces of liberalism into one party of useless, inept hacks. There's something farcical and poetic in him as an element of the historical narrative, he's the sort of villain who we relish in fighting and defeating, whereas Thatcher was just pure uncompromising evil being malevolent for its own sake.


 No.2844776

>>2844765

Macron is more of a comedic character, totally out of his depth, a retarded child pretending to be a god emperor,


 No.2844812

>>2844765

He's at least funny. Like, he's a terrible horrible person and leader - but he's redeemed by his arrogance. Thatcher thought she was better than royalty, but it wasn't an entertaining part of her character like it was for the Jupeterian president with ideas too complicated for journalists. Thatcher is redeemed by nothing.


 No.2844867

Don't suppose anyone's got a PDF of Mark Fisher's posthumous book?


 No.2844868

>>2844503

I don't quite see how entering into a constitutional crisis now and the inability of a theoretical future Labour government to build socialism are interlinked, though. Maybe I'm just being slow here.

>The Task of Communists like CPB is to be ready and waiting when the cracks in Electoral Strategy start to show and Labour are forced into Betrayals.

Pretty much what I was getting at in that post, yeah.

>>2844753

>pipe dreams

Alright, but d'you mind expanding on your line of thought here?


 No.2844940

>>2844502

What's all this shit? It's the first I've heard about it.


 No.2844948

I don't know if Cornish independence is realistic or worth it, but it sure is funny


 No.2845122

File: 7bdfdd3b189a31f⋯.png (97.19 KB, 373x338, 373:338, 86428642864286428.png)

>>2838096

No one will ever believe me but I have a vivid memory of being about 5 years old in Finsbury Park where I was with my dad but I wandered off on my own.

I remember the sunny day started with me being at an area with a bunch of rocks where there was some sort of terrible amateur comedy play down in the center of the rocks with a bunch of men were wearing shopping bags on their heads and I was shouting "boo" and "this isnt funny" and all the adults in these coliseum type seats were turning around and shouting at me "shut up you little shit" and the swearies scared me off.

I went back to the Finsbury Park cafe, which I remember having a Walls logo on it and there were a bunch of tables in front and this really, really fat woman had this plate of chips that were covered in ketchup that looked really good and I asked her could I have a chip, and she said with a mouthful of chips in anger "Grrrno!!! these are my chips and you can get your own!" and I kept saying "but its just one chip and you've got a whole plate of them" and she said started actually pulling the plate closer to her and shielding it with her big fat arms and I was putting my hand out and saying "It's just one chip" and she started screaming on the verge of crying to leave her chips alone and let her eat in peace. I said "You're really mean" and walked into the cafe where I knew my dad was.

Inside was my dad and his friend Jeremy Corbyn who had a suitcase and a painting in a plastic cover he was selling my dad. My dad was drinking tea and I think Corbyn was drinking a cappuccino. I complained to my dad that the woman outside wouldn't give me a chip and she had a really big plate of them.

Jeremy opened up his wallet and said "You're old enough now you can go buy yourself your own chips." and gave me a ten pound note and I didn't know anything about money and had never bought anything before. He told me to go over and ask for chips and give the man the ten pound note. I felt intense anxiety but I braved up and said "can I have chips" to the man at the counter and I think he was foreign and he gave me a chop chic mint ice cream cone and a load of change. I thought the ice cream was even better but was really upset because I didn't understand change and thought the guy had ripped me off and that money was like coupons that you showed and you just got stuff. I went over and complained to Jeremy that the man took all my money and he just about managed to explain how change worked to me while I was on the verge of tears thinking the ice cream man had stolen my money and given me less money. I went back to the counter and took my mint choc chip ice cream and the change and went back to the table, the man at the counter, my dad and Jeremy were laughing at me.

Also he gave the suitcase to my dad along with the painting and when I got home it had a Commodore 64 with literally all the games in it.

Hope you enjoyed my story.


 No.2845150

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>>2845122

Also I told Jeremy Corbyn that I really liked Action Man and I asked him did he know about Action Man. I remember him telling me about how AK-47s work in technical detail that went over my head. I kept saying "But what about bazookas" and he kept saying "I don't know", I think I said that about 10 times and he got annoyed. But he told me about how grenades work. He did a drawing of one and pointed at the 'spoon' and said you had to hold it and pull the pin out and hold it really tightly and throw it. He said if you dropped it after you pulled the pin you should run away as fast as you can. He didn't explain why and I didn't understand mortality at this point.

I remember a year later being the bath after eating 2 packets of sugar-free polo mints and it giving me a really bad stomach ache and having a really horrible existential crisis when I realize everyone dies one day including mummy and daddy. I got so upset that I poured all the shampoos and shower gels into the bath and fluffed it up which turned the whole bathroom into a big giant bubble bath that poured out of the door and I was crying and screamed at my parents that you and we are all going to die one day and so am I.


 No.2845178

File: 85552034c447396⋯.png (216.76 KB, 471x888, 157:296, 17539759086408.png)

>>2845150

Also does anyone know the name of these C64 games:

- One where it's like a bunch of multicoloured rockets firing off from a city, or it might be that the city buildings were multicoloured

- One where you drive around in a futuristic tron car in first-person view and it's like this wireframe world that looked cool as hell

- One where you play as an astronaut that's floating around, I think it was weird like a tethered spacewalk

- A super complex first person spacecraft game where you had a head-up display and cockpit (this might my impression of it as a kid, it might have been a flight sim set at night, it was too heavy on keyboard binds but my dad would let me use the joystick while he was pressing the keyboard commands and we actually got good at it even though you had to use the keyboard a lot


 No.2845274

>>2844761

>You think that the working class will turn to Fascism when Labour fail then?

yes

>>2844868

>Alright, but d'you mind expanding on your line of thought here?

when has that ever happened? there will be no falling of scales from eyes, they'll just get the newest model of scales from scales inc.


 No.2845291

>>2844948

Eh the claim that they are an organic nation is neither here nor there, they would be like the smallest country that isn't a microstate in Europe. Also they are poor as shit.


 No.2845294

>>2845122

>>2845150

>>2845178

This is a good copypasta.


 No.2845351

So it appears May is going to apply for a 3 months extension.


 No.2845376

>>2844948

I think we just go for maximum chaos at this point and give every county it's own independence vote.


 No.2845389

Tbh if May gets an extension, I think the tory brexiteer voters are gonna go full Dolchstosslegende and abandon them. Get hype.


 No.2845394

>It looks like this is being taken out of the Prime Minister's hands. Emanuel Macron of France has said enough is enough, he will oppose any extension of Article 50 in Council tomorrow

https://youtu.be/gkTb9GP9lVI

MACRON THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING MADMAN


 No.2845404

>>2845394

Seriously, the choice is now No Deal vs May's deal: i put 70% chance on the former.


 No.2845451

I hope all you middle class brits are enjoying this bourgoies spectacle. Brexit ey! What a disaster! Let's just go back to how it was, the stable years of mr blair.


 No.2845485

>>2845274

So, are you prepared to fight Fascism or are you just another defeatist/sour grapes american?


 No.2845489

>>2845404

The worst thing about this bollocks is that if No Deal happens we're literlaly just going to get an even shittier May deal a few months down the line when the government is going to be forced to go crawling back to the EU with literally 0 power to dictate anything and take that big neoliberal cock up our arses. Of course, the upside is that the Tory party would disintegrate even faster than if May's deal passed, but I'm not sure I want a politics of ressentiment to motivate us because then this country actually will turn to Fascism if all you have is a completely Disempowered Socdem party and the Communists aren't prepared.


 No.2845490

>>2845489

If things are powered by resentment there is a hope with the SDP, who are basically centre-Nazbols but I agree with you. A no deal means the death of the Corbyn project.


 No.2845498

So God-Emperor Macron is channelling De Gaulle and intending on blocking May's application for extending article 50, No Deal ahoy!


 No.2845500

>>2845451

>middle class brits

interesting deduction. so how many people do you know who are losing their jobs over this shit?


 No.2845528

Reports May is gonna speak tonight, she's gonna announce something I hope.


 No.2845539

>>2845498

Macron getting guillotined right after a no deal Brexit would be so goddamn funny


 No.2845541

>>2845539

The anon as right we are living in Kaiserreich


 No.2845546

>>2845541

Nah fam, French Revolution rn would be like the Coalition wars but with a stronger Germany and a weaker Britain


 No.2845554

>>2845489

>this country actually will turn to Fascism

Don't be such a drama queen.

>the Tory party would disintegrate even faster

>if all you have is a completely Disempowered Socdem party and the Communists aren't prepared.

I don't know how you reconcile these two statements.


 No.2845557

>>2845554

>I don't know how you reconcile these two statements.

Because fascism arises when there is no genuine working class movement?


 No.2845561

>>2845490

Well it's not quite so simple, depends on whether an Extension is offered in exchange for something big like a GE or 2nd Vote, but the thing is those would also completely destroy the Tory party. It's very strange that Macron is doing this because he was actually advising May that she could use Citizen's Assemblies to avoid a GE or Ref, not sure what his game is, us mere plebs can't understand JVPITER I guess.

Really the question is about the specifics of exactly how the Tories disintegrate and whether the Nationalist wing are subverted by a real Far Right or whether they corral people back into Liberalism. Johnson, Mogg etc talk a big game but they're Etonians at heart and they're not willing to go the whole way to turn the Tories into Far-Right party (Although I guess keeping an eye on Bannon who is attempting to buddy up to Johnson is a good idea), it wouldn't fly with MPs, Membership or Donors, for them Nationalism is just a divide & conquer tactic.

If the struggle in the Tories is somehow won by a genuine Far Right then No Deal could potentially not completely kill Corbyn but then you're stuck dealing with an Alliance between the actual Fascist parts of British Society & Tories. I really don't see it happening, it's pretty clear that no matter what happens the Right is going to be infighting for years to come and the Far Right groups that are trying to Infiltrate UKIP or exist outside of Politics at all aren't even willing to run MEP candidates which is something that they would have to do if there's an extension of any kind. Why would they enter back into mainstream politics when there's no chance of even assured influence, to me the figureheads of any kind of Far-Right sentiment that's adjacent to Parliamentary Politics are fundamentally all Sheepdogs. The actual Far-Right threat is outside of Politics and I don't think you'll see these people start to sway the Ruling Class until Labour seizes power and somehow actually starts being able to pass serious reform whilst radicalizing further, which is a whole other conversation.

The resentment thing is kind of complicated because that's essentially what motivated Brexit for a lot of the British Working Class far and beyond any kind of serious commitment to Racism or whatever, the big question is how you assuage that feeling; we have plenty of Working Class people that are moving Far Left but we have an equal amount that are moving Far-Right, and it's really strange to see actual Working Class people being swayed by Fascist ideology when there is a increasingly Left Wing alternative, it's not something that has historically been seen before, usually it's the abscence, removal or failure of the Left that prompts it. Guess that just goes to show how fucking disenfranchised people are with Bourgeois Politics and how deep the rot has set in. There are genuinely a minority of people in this country that would reject every single genuine effort in their interests if they could just get rid of "Immigrants" or whatever, and these people aren't Lumpen or Petit-Bourg. It's fucking wild that you'd let your children starve just to get rid of the browns. I think the majority of people though have seen what a farce Brexit has been and still don't quite understand it all because none of the real question are being asked about it; they just want it over with. I don't think centre-NazBol is an option because it just temporarily puts off the problem and strikes an almost Faustian Bargain. It doesn't cut off the resentment at the root and actually plays into it, which leaves it possible for it to rear it's head again when the actual serious crises set in. Brexit is absolutely nothing compared to the next Global Crash, the threat of ecological collapse, the ramping up of the next Imperialist War etc. I think you have to just go even further hardline left and offer real tangible benefits to the majority of the Working Class that is just kind of tired of Brexit, and I think the death of the Tory party will give Labour the opportunity to normalize that, they just need to ride it out and not fuck up, which is really hard for SocDems, they just need to buy the Communists time.


 No.2845563

>>2838280

you are being retarded, as a frenchman, our last 15years of privatisation and labor law gutting are straight out of the commission recomandations. the eu was conceived as a liberal tool, and you straight cant do meaningful socdem reforms in it.


 No.2845568

>>2845557

I meant how do you see the Tories disintegrating but the Left also being 'completely disempowered'? Although I don't see how you can develop a genuine working class movement without exposing neoliberalism and the Right as being bad for the working class, which a hard Brexit does admirably.

>>2845561

>Citizen's Assemblies

This is just such a stupid idea. Not surprised to see Gordon Brown enthusing about it, it's almost a parody of a Gordon Brown initiative in its gimmicky uselessness.

>could potentially not completely kill Corbyn

Still not seeing why a Tory-run economic crash is bad news for Corbyn.


 No.2845570

>>2838280

oh and you fucking defend privatising dams? just fucking kys liberal son of a bitch, I honestly want treason charges against someone that try to pull such shit

edf has been privatised to comply with the eu btw , same as gdf or orange,

price have raised and quality declined.


 No.2845571

>>2845568

>This is just such a stupid idea. Not surprised to see Gordon Brown enthusing about it, it's almost a parody of a

Eh they work quite well in Ireland and Cuba.


 No.2845572

>>2845568

>Still not seeing why a Tory-run economic crash is bad news for Corbyn.

Because people will still blame Corbyn for it. There was a poll showing that if brexit fails 60% of leavers will put Corbyn was responsible.


 No.2845574

>>2845568

Yeah I agree Citizen's Assemblies is retarded. As far as the crash thing, it's me just laying out worst case scenarios. Like realistically the Tories are going to hand shit on a Plate to Corbyn, the problem is if they go for No Deal, the Nationalist wing wrangles enough control to keep away from a GE until they eventually capitulate and go back to the EU after everything is fucked with an actual dogshit deal and we're fucked beyond the point of Corbyn being able to do anything. There's some other stuff but that's just speculation into the future. Essentially I agree, Tories are crashing this fucking plane with no survivors and Labour are going to be given every opportunity, they just need a GE.


 No.2845584

>>2845571

How can it be applied to this situation? We've already had a referendum. The various options are already well understood. And even if the Assemblies somehow delivered a decisive result in favour of one course of action, that decision would have no legitimacy in the eyes of its opponents. It just seems like Remainers are hoping to nullify or blur the referendum result tbh.

>>2845572

Source? It would be highly unusual for voters to blame the Opposition for economic troubles. Also 60% of Leavers would only equal about 30% of the electorate.

>>2845574

>an actual dogshit deal and we're fucked beyond the point of Corbyn being able to do anything

I can imagine the deal being bad in terms of trade, but how could it be more restrictive than what we have now?


 No.2845591

>>2845561

I don't see the "Great Replacement" right taking over the tories, mostly because they have bled rightwards already (UKIP is openly the political wing of Tommy Robinson, and if you look at the tory membership that kind of sentiment never makes its way up through the ranks due to the inherent oligarchy that is the tory party). What I can see is someone who is Orbanesque taking over, which I think will inherently fail in British politics because parties like Fidez, PiS, AKP got power was because they were initially anti-establishment; it is impossible for the tories to be that.

What I am more worried about is pro-brexit working class people moving towards the street politics of the EDL. I'm from the three counties: What Robinson was doing in 2013 only stopped because he didn't have much of a base to draw from. "Demand brexit rallies" that deliberately antagonise the asian population of this area (which is the minority despite what people say) is gonna cause reactionary racial tension that will set back about a decade's worth of progress.


 No.2845592

File: 3630050ef4fc93e⋯.png (648.46 KB, 2048x2048, 1:1, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2845584

>Source? It would be highly unusual for voters to blame the Opposition for economic troubles. Also 60% of Leavers would only equal about 30% of the electorate.

Sorry, I mean brexit not happening, not a no deal.


 No.2845597

>>2845592

I mean by that measure they consider everyone who voted remain to have about as much responsibility for Brexit not happening so I think we can safely dismiss this statistic as plain bonkers.


 No.2845657

>>2845584

>How can it be applied to this situation? We've already had a referendum. The various options are already well understood. And even if the Assemblies somehow delivered a decisive result in favour of one course of action, that decision would have no legitimacy in the eyes of its opponents. It just seems like Remainers are hoping to nullify or blur the referendum result tbh.

Well Varoufakis' idea is that you get a citizens' assembly of all sorts of people, and you ascertain what they want from brexit in both abstract conceptual forms and policy. And then you take that to the EU to get a proper deal. Think with citizens' assemblies is that they don't actually take that long once organised, like you could have a fucking load within a week with only a month or so of planning. And even if it triggers some leavers and remainers, since it will be based on a good consensus of the people it will also be accepted by apprehensive MPs. But this is the kind of thing you should do in the first 3 months of the breit procedure, not now.


 No.2845707


 No.2845711

>>2845707

Tbh during an actual campaign, I imagine things will move towards the deal.


 No.2845715

What a useless speech. Why does she even bother covering her arse like this, her days are numbered anyway.


 No.2845720

I don't understand why May was acting like we won't be leaving on the 29th. Haven't the EU said that we can't have an extension unless we pass the deal? And if we pass the deal why would we need an extension?


 No.2845750

What if Brexit isn't real and you're being shadow-Brexited? Like you get a separate freeview/sat and your ISP has you sequestered in a shadow-Brexit world where it never happened.


 No.2845783

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/20/18273440/brexit-extension-drama-explained-theresa-may

>May’s plan, according to her letter, is to get her Brexit deal through Parliament on a third vote and use the remaining time to allow Parliament to pass that international agreement into domestic law.

Someone explain this to me. I don't get what they mean by turning the international agreement to domestic law.


 No.2845789

>>2845783

Also why would they need the extension if they already passed May's deal. I thought the extension was needed because May thought she could get the votes with more time to pass this abortion of a deal through.


 No.2846402

Don't worry lads, the liberals have started a petition to stop brexit. That will really show them.


 No.2846428

>>2845783

A load of legislation needs to be passed to change how the uk funcrions due to the deal.


 No.2846482

It really dawned on me while walking to uni that in a week's time we may be having food shortages what a fucking world.


 No.2846488

File: 52f60d02c97693c⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 61.49 KB, 427x640, 427:640, mcnugget.jpg)

>>2838096

Can someone please hurry up an organise mass revolution and slaughter these cunts in Parliament we need Guido Fawkes more than ever currently


 No.2846502

File: 2b1d05525c02f55⋯.jpeg (83.83 KB, 1200x663, 400:221, D2L7bKgWwAAU5rm.jpeg)

>>2845597

>>2845584

I did find some polling, rather limited blowback for corbyn.


 No.2846525

>>2846488

What a degenerate image


 No.2846563


 No.2846566

>>2846563

shock horror


 No.2846593

>>2846563

I'd be more surprised if it wasn't.


 No.2846668

Lamo reports are that the army is down to 76k men. For reference that's the size of Greece's.


 No.2846683

>>2846668

Source on that lad?

Wouldn't be surprised though there have been cuts to all sections of the state and it would even including the police.


 No.2846688

>>2846683

https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1108681759720435712

It has more to do with capita being fucking shit at their job: my mate who tried to join the army said they kept on losing medical documents and shit like that.


 No.2846941

>>2846668

To be fair Greece actually has a comparatively large army and spending for being a country of 10 million due to tensions and fairly recent conflicts with T*rkey - Portugal has 35k, Sweden has 34.5k (both having similar populations to Greece). Poland as a country of 38 million has an army of 100k. In that sense the UK is following the trend of outsourcing the dirty business to the USA while maintaining a skeleton force because lol austerity. Which makes all that noise about sending ships to the Pacific all the more farcical.


 No.2846956

>>2846688

I'd imagine a large section of that 76 thousand are reserves too


 No.2847191

File: 71cbb57787e926e⋯.jpg (143.4 KB, 971x1191, 971:1191, D2L8pX_WkAAIJF-.jpg)

marvel: infinity war is the most ambitious crossover event in history


 No.2847198

File: 90e4e19508b91e0⋯.jpg (21.75 KB, 299x448, 299:448, D1HNpEtVsAEyJoh.jpg)

https://twitter.com/RevokeA50_Bot

more than 3.1 million signatures on the petition to revoke A50.

the #FBPE constituency has demonstrated a pretty powerful online presence.

https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=241584

heatmap of where people signed from. No surprises.


 No.2847200

File: 0fb2499cd05ab4d⋯.png (109.99 KB, 300x313, 300:313, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2847191

I WARNED YOU ABOUT THE TRADE UNIONS BRO!!!

I TOLD YOU DOG!


 No.2847210

>>2847198

Soft left dads in my work wouldn't shut up about this yesterday. Felt like one of them was giving running update's.


 No.2847212


 No.2847214

>>2847191

I know who you nicked that joke from, but still.


 No.2847217

>>2847198

Tbh every Tory seat that is Orange is one they should be worried about.


 No.2847253

>>2847214

that joke has been used like 2 million times in the last few years


 No.2847291

>>2847198

Funny how they're shifting from 'we need another referendum to be democratic' to 'fuck democracy lol, we need to cancel Brexit right now without a referendum'.


 No.2847325

>>2847291

Anyone got that one Twitter screencap of some woman saying "democracy consists in recognising when you've made a mistake and Brexit was a mistake" and "working-class people shouldn't have the vote because they're not experts"


 No.2847330

>>2847191

what even is the point of the TUC anymore


 No.2847331

>>2847330

I mean tbf, the TNT has 25% of the British workforce unionised: that dwarfs France and Germany.


 No.2847351

File: 1ce29c8b7737438⋯.png (533.22 KB, 594x1200, 99:200, ClipboardImage.png)

Breaking, Uri Geller says he will not allow May to lead us into Brexit.


 No.2847355

File: 0375ccc9334e4ee⋯.jpg (673.34 KB, 1080x1920, 9:16, Screenshot_20190322-133727….jpg)

>UKIP is a serious political party

Hahaha Im looking forward to this clown getting destroyed in an election


 No.2847398

>>2847355

>Sargon of Mossad potentially in political office

What the fuck is this timeline


 No.2847402

File: 267982da820f64d⋯.jpg (91.67 KB, 855x967, 855:967, 1494156729891.jpg)

>>2847355

are they going to have mainstream meteor man run too


 No.2847473

>>2847355

I really hope someone eggs the cunt


 No.2847541

File: 507487186344a47⋯.jpg (72.65 KB, 750x562, 375:281, web2s0.jpg)

>>2847355

I assume this is what some would categorize as "cringe". As for myself, I do not consider that word to be accurate in this case. What I feel about this may be beyond single-worded descriptions. I think.

A picture, however, is considered to be worth a thousand words, so~


 No.2847556

>>2847355

Imagine the amount of acceleration points we'll get if he actually gets elected.


 No.2848009

>>2847198

>I'm in a 1-3400 area

We couldn't give less of a shit lmao

I'm pretty sure we're a remain area too


 No.2848010

>>2847355

We're reaching levels of accelerationism we didn't even believe to be possible


 No.2848371

I've been demoralised for over a month lads, I'm pretty sure my lashing outs have been archived by the Zion lobby.

What's the situation? Are we doing alright? I'm starting to break up over here, it's fucking bullshit we're left on our own. We fought for this cunt to get some power and he threw us under the bus, it makes me pissed off as fuck.

I know it was never meant to be easy but fuck me I want a bit of feedback here, this fucking guy is throwing us under the bus. These M25 cunts are a bunch of wetbags, that's what pisses me off. We stuck our necks out for this easily whipped prick.

I'm fucking clawing at the screen here, it's driving me mental. What do we do with these cunts? Am I alone?

Why are these London pricks pushing us around?


 No.2848396

I love this song.

Chekisten!


 No.2848492

>>2847291

tbf, their entire strategy is to want another referendum to delegitmize the previous one


 No.2848645

Lamo it appears the tories are trying to fucking coup May and put Michael Fucking Gove in power.

Also reports that the ERG might back Corbyn in a no confidence in such a situation. So to answer your question anon >>2848371, don't give up hope: shit is about to get set on fire.

>>2848371

>>2848371


 No.2848783

File: d9d65ef7c8da248⋯.png (1.04 MB, 749x1025, 749:1025, ClipboardImage.png)

Honestly the placards from the Brexit protest are pure cancer.


 No.2848790

File: 14a5bfd880ba95d⋯.png (134.36 KB, 800x800, 1:1, 1474325065624.png)

>>2848783

THINGS


 No.2848793

File: f5895aab5fefb5a⋯.png (195.21 KB, 680x532, 170:133, 1520228388680.png)

>>2848783

The only sensible way to deal with this is through creating a time machine and sending them to operation dessert storm


 No.2849338

Honestly i think this country is fucked, we are gonna become like Poland where the political spectrum is between crypto fash conservatives and hardcore neoliberals. Give me hope comrades, give me hope…


 No.2849367


 No.2849387

File: 3a0a1f98274ec01⋯.png (36.66 KB, 538x434, 269:217, ClipboardImage.png)

Thanks to comrade Gove for turning the teachers leftwing.


 No.2849422

>>2849338

Instead of having a choice between a cryto fash government and a neo lib one. It will instead go back to being between a blue or red neolib party.

Expect another 1000 year Blairite reich.

Hope that gives you hope (◕‿◕✿)


 No.2849447

File: c09bc4d3db86aba⋯.jpg (59.73 KB, 720x588, 60:49, 7f767feb620c4d69fa8972f05b….jpg)

>>2849422

You did exactly the opposite of give me hope anon.


 No.2849493

>>2848492

I know but I do genuinely find it shocking that cancelling Brexit without a referendum is now being presented as a serious option.


 No.2849580

File: cbc461cd7be559b⋯.jpg (7.22 KB, 300x168, 25:14, lel.jpg)

>Parliament has now taken control of the Brexit process.

OH NO NO NO NO


 No.2849605

File: ae1c8f30ba381d2⋯.png (5.45 KB, 640x480, 4:3, gondola.png)

Is brexit good or bad for lefty UK?


 No.2849627

>>2849580

DIRECT RULE FROM THE COMMITTEE


 No.2849633

>>2849605

Joining the EU in the first place was the mistake, now there's no good option for anyone


 No.2849635

File: a8c37762317976c⋯.png (30.16 KB, 1646x200, 823:100, sovietcouncil.png)

File: 80362ed6764db67⋯.png (47.33 KB, 1337x246, 1337:246, swisscouncil.png)

File: d7eea5021fe195d⋯.png (217.51 KB, 1272x964, 318:241, nazbolcouncil.png)

>>2849627

MAKE THE SHADOW COUNCIL REAL

MADE BY NAZBOL-CORBYN GANG


 No.2849642

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1110191164693585920

I hope your stupid country gets typhus epidemic and has to eat chlorine filled chicken.


 No.2849885

So we are getting indicative votes, so unironically Corbyn' brexit plan might pass the commons…


 No.2849894

File: bc0f63ade65b16e⋯.jpeg (225.47 KB, 2048x1100, 512:275, 8523AFE9-AF10-4C30-8D7F-E….jpeg)

Any other anons feel incredibly hopeless looking at this chart? Like, was it the anti-semitism smear campaign? Brexit?

Are we going to be alright?


 No.2849896

>>2849894

Reminder Miliband hit -60 and the government has a -75 pt approval rating.


 No.2849944

>>2849894

>Yougov

Also these polls don't really matter since there are a lot of people who "don't like Corbyn" but will still vote Labour. Labour and the Torys are pretty much the same as 2017 but both loosing a few % points. I'm still optimistic that there will be an election this year with Labour just getting a majority. This mainly comes from how fucked the Tory party is rather than Labour doing well


 No.2849947

Lamo a tory MP just said that the tories were in "a battle against cultural marxism". When confronted with how Breivik said the same thing she doubled down.


 No.2849953

File: a5879551178118f⋯.jpg (64.64 KB, 480x477, 160:159, a5879551178118f2d4fb0ecc2d….jpg)

Britons, especialy Anglos and Welshies, why are they so fucking retarded. Wehweh we noike Jezza no more because of reasons.


 No.2849955

>>2849947

Also apparently suggestions floating among that group that they should make a 'blueshirts' paramiltary to make sure brexit happens lmao


 No.2849959

>>2849955

>Britnats naming themselves after an Irish fash group

We are on some woke shit.

>>2849953

t. continental


 No.2849963

>>2849959

Cultural marxism, irish fascist paramilitaries, grand wizards, looks like nascent british fascism is just ripping everything from other countries, which is ironic for it coming from the brexit lot.


 No.2849967

>>2849963

I mean they are all globalists: what else can they do but import?

Tbh though, we need to play-up the fact that cultural marxism is an anti-semitic doctrine: it should fuck with the tories quite a bit.


 No.2849968

>>2849605

Good The EU hates unions and has constantly supported corporate interests over workers.

Read up on the Laval case.


 No.2850054

https://youtu.be/g0l3ZcjH8z8

Is Acid Womble 21st ProleKult?


 No.2850064

>>2849896

yeah and milliband lost dude


 No.2850066

>>2850064

If you look at the graph, Miliband recovered a whole fucking lot in the election campaign.

Also the government didn't have -75% approval under Cameron…


 No.2850081

>>2849894

Why "we"? Are you a labor socdem?


 No.2850083

>>2850081

Hello Burger


 No.2850084

>>2850083

Again with this shit. I can update the date if you want.

>Criticize labor

>HURRRRRRRRR U MUST BE AMERICAN

Really? Your party has betrayed you retard. Why do you still cling to it?


 No.2850085

>>2850084

nah mate it's because you say labor.


 No.2850088

>>2850085

Spell-check, pirated windows. Already stated before, not going through that again.


 No.2850099

>>2850084

>londoner

even worse :)


 No.2850101

>>2850099

Didn't clock that.

PURE THE RESIDENTS OF THE CAPITAL

Made by Anti-London Gang


 No.2850103

File: 0d9afc6b13fe372⋯.jpg (1.42 MB, 2448x3264, 3:4, 050.JPG)

>>2850084

Had my postcode.


 No.2850115

is the NUS a good thing for the masses like actual unions or just a career advancement tool for a few select uni students who get contacts and CV padding from it?


 No.2850117

>>2850115

The NUS is so shit. Most students don't give a shit about it and it certainly doesn't give a shit about students. There has been a movement from the left to try and take it over this year but I doubt it will come to anything.


 No.2850130

>>2850115

The NUS is pure, unadulterated cancer. It is 50% political careerists and 50% nutjobs who refuse to denounce ISIS.


 No.2850145

File: f35bcf33e2ca758⋯.png (108.45 KB, 740x431, 740:431, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.2850200

File: 565f59c795aa3ad⋯.gif (64.78 KB, 128x128, 1:1, 1545844690242.gif)

>>2849387

Now this is real accelerationism!


 No.2850205

File: 740002d02225ddc⋯.jpg (157.35 KB, 900x1200, 3:4, D2QoFzfX0AAvbWb.jpg)

>>2849387

A million Maos


 No.2850416


 No.2850434

https://twitter.com/GrayInGlasgow/status/1110226589797793793

the problem with scotland is that it's full of… bloggers.


 No.2850485

>>2850434

I need some context about this. Did he commit hate speech?


 No.2850513

>>2850485

He said something like "hearing oliver mundell speak makes you wish his father [david mundell] had embraced his homosexuality sooner", (now ex) scottish labour leader called it homophobic in a newspaper piece, he sued her for libel.

Honestly I'm on his side in that i don't think it's that terrible of a thing to say, but i kind of hope he loses just because I'm sick of his TERF memespouting.


 No.2850522

>>2850513

Nah it is within her free speech to accuse others of homophobia and the idea of it itself is very subjective so he should not have sued. He is ironically the snowflake in this situation.


 No.2850552

>>2850522

I mean it is a cunty thing to say, basically "you shouldn't have been born". Not sure if it is homophobic but Wings Over Scotland is gonna get rekt purely by previous comments.


 No.2850607

File: 0e3aa0ce2f44299⋯.png (467.76 KB, 1200x355, 240:71, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.2850627

>>2850552

There is also no substantial proof that he approves of gay people, like any actions (not speech) to support them


 No.2850629

>>2850627

WHich normally wouldn't be meaningful, but it helps the case he is homophobic. Also I think it will be a bellwether on whether his comments on trans people can make him homophobic.


 No.2850638

>>2850629

IMO the court need not make that decision and just sidestep by saying the MSP was not wrong in assuming that he was homophobic and it was her free speech to do so.


 No.2850642

>>2850638

I mean the first part, that the MSP had reason to believe they are homophobic is actually how the law works. It's why Corbyn can't sue people for accusing them of being anti-semites, because there is a legal case that can be made that they can reasonably believe such. I doubt free speech will come into it though, libel can't be defended by "free speech" alone.


 No.2850647

>>2850642

But homophobia like anti-semitism, is like porn. People can only know it when they see it. It is a very subjective term that the MSP can exploit the grey area.


 No.2850665

>>2850647

Well the point I was making is that you can reasonably say the MSP legitimately believes Wings is a homophobe from that comment and his past actions: so it is all good.


 No.2850667

>>2850665

Ah, that line of argument works too but I was giving a more conservative one.


 No.2850760

File: 9359b28450ef70f⋯.jpg (300.66 KB, 1448x1080, 181:135, 1547864492272.jpg)

May's stepping down after 'this phase in the Brexit negotiations are concluded'.

Trying to kill any chance of a GE I suppose.


 No.2850770

>>2850765

Noice.


 No.2850781

>>2850760

Literally the most forgettable PM of all time.

Christ I think Brown was more interesting than her.


 No.2850820

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47725529

"I'll fucking go away if you pass my cuck deal"

the absolute state of the Tories


 No.2850823

>>2850820

Honestly the WA is the longest suicide note in history,


 No.2850865

File: c155cf7eaf7e4e6⋯.png (559.97 KB, 960x566, 480:283, ClipboardImage.png)

Ngl socdem lab aesthetics were fucking 10/10.


 No.2850873

>>2850868

Hot, would tear up.


 No.2850878

THEY FUCKING VOTED AGAINST EVERYTHING, AGAINST E V E R Y T H I N G


 No.2850981

The absolute state of Brexit. Voting against everything. What a mess.

Did anyone else go on the March at the weekend? Or sign the petition? My reasoning for turning up and signing was that going on the March would sow discord amongst the Tories and just to show my disdain for May's approach. I really don't know if i made a mistake. The march was the most middle class thing i've ever seen in my life. Lib dems everywhere. I heard middle class women from Canterbury saying how much they love Chukka and Bercow. It made me sick. The finance melts i was with at the protest took loads of selfies and fucked off after 2 hours.

As an aside, i'm in academia surrounded by EU luvvies that all voted remain, i'm probably the only person in my institute that voted leave i suspect. Are any of you also in environments like this? These people will only mobilise for their own self interest.


 No.2850988

business idea: may's deal to the house again, but with the preamble:

"this house has no confidence in her majesties government"


 No.2850990

Do you guys really think that Labour will win the next election instead of the Tories or god forbid fucking Ukip?


 No.2850993

File: 9113a132e70ec1d⋯.jpg (224.12 KB, 744x1073, 744:1073, elizabeth.jpg)

>>2850990

Corbyn will win, but will he guillotine the r*yals? This is the important question


 No.2850995

>>2850993

Everyone on r/ukpolitics hates the fuck out of him. I imagine people who post there are the median of what the UK populace is?

I know >reddit, but it is still useful to see what the normies think. I'd rather not live in a damn circlejerk thinking we're going to be popular when we're really not.


 No.2850998

>>2850995

Who the fuck is the alternative though?


 No.2850999

I am a cuban american white hispanic am i accepted here?


 No.2851000

>>2850995

The average british person DOES not use fucking reddit lol. The average british person either only browses dailymail online or youtube for music.


 No.2851002

>>2850995

It's a 2 party system, like the US basically. The tories are completely dead at this point, so it's Labours time now. Let's not overthink this.


 No.2851005

>>2851002

Are you hopeful that labour will change anything? Why?

I really don't understand why "radical leftists" are shilling for labour. Is it because some people have said "radical" things within the party?


 No.2851010

>>2851005

I'm curious, and wishing for Corbyn to be a crypto-marxist, but without much expectation. Yea there's been some hints, and the brits here would answer you better, but that is why there's quite of an excitement.


 No.2851083

>>2851005

>>2851002

>>2851010

Corbyn is a crypto marxist, but the problem isn't going to be his follow through, it's going to be the insane amounts of sabotage that he'll suffer from his own MPs and the civil service when he becomes PM. He's a great guy but without mass purges he won't get any fucking thing done. See famous stories about Tony Benn and how civil service literally refused to implement his policies because "he didn't know what he was doing". This is why I'm sort of hoping GE will bring small party protest chaos instead of labour victory or maybe even more tory minority clown government to allow more time for purging blairite fucks, infiltrating the civil service, and maximum accelerationism, even tho it's wishful thinking probably.


 No.2851088

>>2851083

lenin was so right about parliaments


 No.2851119

if ever you feel sad, just remember that margaret thatcher is dead and you are still alive :)


 No.2851205

>>2851119

>just remember that margaret thatcher is dead and you are still alive

WTF is leftybritpol's median age 65?


 No.2851262

>>2851205

i mean it doesn't have to be surprising that you're still alive. it just has to be true.


 No.2851263

man when the 6 counties flip to the Free State the Ulster guys are gonna go full contra mode aren't they?


 No.2851272

>>2850999

sure mate


 No.2851288

File: b37243c50e23ae1⋯.png (440.42 KB, 890x580, 89:58, cultmarx.png)

Lmao


 No.2851296

>>2851288

thought that was tulsi gabbard with a big nose


 No.2851327

Test


 No.2851452

>>2850995

>r/ukpolitics

That place is a hellhole of middle class centrism. I wouldn't take their opinions to represent the majority of British voters.


 No.2851481

>>2851263

They won't. Not even vaguely. A few Unionist national groups will pop up when it finally happens.

The reason the troubles were so violent was contextual. The early 70's were a time of tremendous economic instability, crime and unemployment in Northern Ireland.


 No.2851484

>>2850995

Corbyn already won 40% of the vote. That's 1% off Blair in 1997.

The reason Corbyn will struggle to win right now is because there's no lib dem centre party to siphon votes from the Tories like there used to be.

If we want Corbyn to win, we need to focus on dividing the conservatives as much as possible.


 No.2851697

>The Independent Group applies to be a political party - Change UK

https://news.sky.com/story/the-independent-group-applies-to-be-a-political-party-change-uk-11678001

Or CUK for short. Nothing says change quite like centrist neoliberalism.


 No.2851806


 No.2851809

>>2851697

I don't understand what their strategy is. Why are they competing with the Lib Dems instead of merging? Why have they chosen such a meaningless name instead of using it to state what their ideological niche is? Something like 'the Centre Party' or 'the Social Liberal Party' would have made a lot more sense. And haven't they committed to standing in their current seats instead of trying to find a constituency that might actually elect them? It's baffling. 'Change UK' sounds like a fucking think tank or a sinister Integrity Initiative-style front org, not a party.


 No.2851817

>>2851809

Its because Chuka is aiming to replicate the 'success' of Macron's En Marche, and has the delusions of grandeur to match. Just watch it go go down in flames like a mediocre and uninspiring Hindenburg.


 No.2851820

>>2851817

When they first defected they were confidently predicting that about 30 Labour MPs would join them within weeks, so I think it arguably already has gone down in flames. Also it's pretty amusing that Heidi Allen has emerged as their leader instead of Chuka. Looks like nobody likes him wherever he goes.


 No.2851827

>>2851820

Nah, she's the interim leader till they get inaugurated and he's their 'official spokesman' so she's transparently just a placeholder till they can officially elect him and he gracefully takes the leadership so it doesn't look completely like his vanity project.


 No.2851832

>>2851817

This, iirc they have people from Trudeau's campaign onboard.


 No.2851837

>>2851809

I 100% bet the name is so they can use "Vote for Change" as an election slogan.

>>2851820

They chose Allen because she is a new MP (from the 2015 batch), and she has a background in "business": it is clear they are trying to angle for the petit-booj liberals with that one. not a bad strat per-se, petit-booj liberals tend to vote tory in the countryside and Labour/Lib Dem in the cities so it is certainly a group to pander too.

As for the 30 Labour MPs, a part of it is that Anna Soubry joined with it (she's basically a Thatcherite with liberal social policies), a part of it is that the launch was such a fucking botch, a part of it is due to Tom Watson organising the centre-left into the PLP (which I personally think is a good thing don't @ me), and a part of it is because the party stands for fucking nothing.

With regards to the lib dems, the CUKs that will never get old want to basically bunnyhop them then force them into an embarrassing annexation (the same was post-communist Eastern European Socdems annexed the leftovers of the communist parties). The issue with this is what the cuks don't realise is that the Lib Dems have 100k members and thousands of cllrs: along with MSPs, AMs, and even an allied party in NI. They are as much of an institution in British politics as the tories or Labour are. What they don't realise is that you can't buy your way into power in this country: you need networks of people to push your agenda in high palaces and on the street. This is what will sink the Cuks.

Also for some braindead reason their leadership contest is gonna be an electoral college of 50% members and 50% MPs: because that's a great idea.


 No.2851847

>>2851817

Knowing how centrist most Europoors are, I think that might actually succeed. They'll immediately try to get back into the EU with an even shittier standing than they already do, and have to get assfucked by all sorts of shit again. But hey, we owned the Tories Right guys!?


 No.2851855

>>2851847

t. burger, it really fucking shows.


 No.2851868

File: 34e5423f08daf10⋯.png (25.69 KB, 300x198, 50:33, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2851847

Yeah, and i bet YangGang will win the 2020 election and restore your snipped foreskin too


 No.2851871

>>2851855

What the fuck is your point Europoor? It's going to be amusing watching your shitty country fall to 2nd or even 3rd world status.

>>2851868

Yang is a dumb meme that is even less popular than Beto O'rourk. It's obvious that Biden will win the Primaries and it'll all just repeat of either the 2016 elections of the 2008 one.


 No.2852068

>>2851871

>fall to 2nd or even 3rd world status

Implying that it isn't there already


 No.2852390

How is the pro-Brexit protest working out?


 No.2852445

tired of internet yanks and yank-minded leftists


 No.2852488

>>2852445

yank genocide when?


 No.2852496

>>2852488

1775 don't you remember anon… Stupid redcoats had one job.


 No.2852533

>>2851871

>What the fuck is your point Europoor?

<Europoor

Yo 2015 called it wants its shit slang back.

>It's going to be amusing watching your shitty country fall to 2nd or even 3rd world status.

Lamo like that hasn't already happened: but be sure yank, you're coming down with us,


 No.2852539

Lol, more tory remainers are getting deselected now. The Cuks are basically gonna be the moderate wing of the tory party sooner or later.


 No.2852566

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-47756308

Oh boy some of these are a fucking doozy


 No.2852575

>>2852566

What is all this shit about 'May threatens general election'. She didn't.


 No.2852634

Christ there are some absolutely STEAMING yanks in this thread


 No.2852646


 No.2852648

>>2852634

could we say they're

steamed hams


 No.2852668

>>2852646

This is honestly just tragic at this point


 No.2852674

File: 7543a5fb137771c⋯.jpg (112.27 KB, 644x1024, 161:256, 7543a5fb137771ca0de37e49c8….jpg)

>>2852646

Why do they even care about this crap? The people have spoken, they voted for Brrxit. How can a parliament vote at this point 'overrule' a vote of the people? And it is non binding in any case. But this parliament circus is like if u had an election, but then the parliament could vote on if they will foow the results. WTF


 No.2852676

>>2852674

Follow the results*


 No.2852681

>>2852674

Parliament is dissolved when an election is called, there's no MPs to contest the result apart from the one's elected in that election. Not sure what you mean really, or how its related to the article anon posted.


 No.2852690

File: 19b7bcd29dde7bb⋯.jpg (83.24 KB, 319x340, 319:340, 1455141243337.jpg)

Did you guys curse yourselves by memeing the U.S shutdown and are just kind of floating aimlessly too?


 No.2852691

>>2852681

Just the endless votes in parliament. The voters had a vote on Brexit. Brexit won. How can a parliament now vote to ignore said referendum with votes on: should there be a new referendum, should the referendum be ignored etc.


 No.2852697

>>2852691

Well parliament is sovereign and MPs are generally meant to legislate in their constituents interest, rather than strictly according to their will, such is the convention at least.

Furthermore brexit isn't as simple as 'brexit means brexit' and leaving the eu is complicated by considerations of on what terms we're leaving and what the (economic, legal, political) relationship between the UK and the EU will be post-brexit. The votes are there because parliament is sovereign and the government isn't allowed to simply decide to implement whatever it has agreed with the EU, Parliament has to accept it for it to pass into British law. May's cuck deal is trash and her government is trash and the more parliament frustrates it the better. Hopefully it will eventually kill the deal, kill her, kill her government and kill her party.


 No.2852698

>>2852691

Because "Brexit" isnt exactly a tangible outcome of all of this, there is no singular definition. And its a legal process which has never been done before


 No.2852720

File: 87da34629adb094⋯.jpg (52.1 KB, 600x448, 75:56, 87da34629adb094a70d78e7467….jpg)

>>2852697

'Well parliament is sovereign and MPs are generally meant to legislate in their constituents interest, rather than strictly according to their will'

mate wot. So if voters vote x, MPs can block it as they know better from the voters?


 No.2852728

>>2852720

>if voters vote x

vote on what? In general elections constituents vote on their choice of local MP who are meant to represent their constituents interests and implement the manifesto they were elected upon.

As for referendums, those aren't legally binding, at best Parliament can pass legislation in effect promising to carry out the result of a referendum prior to it, thus binding itself somewhat, but generally referendums are advisory. Of course a referendum result can't be outright ignored, it carries moral weight, illustrates a popular mandate, as such politicians are de facto obligated to follow through with it.

With Brexit its complicated enough even when you don't account for the subtleties of what brexit can entail and what it will. In a straight vote in parliament 'Leave the EU or don't leave the EU', is an MP meant to vote as the majority of their constituents voted? As the majority of the country voted as a sort of enforcer of the popular will? As they promised they would vote in the manifesto they stood on in the election in which they were elected? As they feel themselves morally or otherwise is right? Or as they believe is in the best interest of their constituents? How about if by all indication while a majority of their constituents voted to leave the EU in the referendum but the mood has since changed to wanting to remain? What if by all indications a majority of the country now wants to remain even though a majority previously voted to leave? Democratic mandate is not so simple either.


 No.2852733

>>2852728

Yes, moods change. This is not an argument foe not following votes. Moods even change about mps all the time. But there arent mollions of votes.


 No.2852739

>>2852733

>This is not an argument foe not following votes. Moods even change about mps all the time.

We typically don't elect MPs in perpetuity however.

Besides i have no idea what you're really talking about or what you take issue with. Just some incoherent indignation about something or other.


 No.2852895

God people are setting off fireworks again.


 No.2852927

File: 4df09f086ea91cd⋯.webm (10.01 MB, 800x450, 16:9, 2019_Frankie.webm)

The third season premier of Frankie Boyle's New World Order just aired.

https://www1.swatchseries.to/serie/frankie_boyle_s_new_world_order

vid related


 No.2852956

Varoufakis: The end game for Theresa May

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1MDnVcIucw


 No.2852980

>>2852674

>The people have spoken, they voted for Brrxit

And the Tories and Labour are trying to figure exactly what kind of Brexit.


 No.2853289

>>2852980

To be fair a great many MPs aren't interested in that at all, they're trying to stop Brexit altogether. 268 voted for a 2nd referendum last week.

Is there any precedent for having a 2nd referendum without having enacted the result of the 1st? This wouldn't be like when other countries voted against European treaties, because honouring the result was as simple as 'not signing the treaty… yet'.


 No.2853478

>>2852927

Frankie Boyle is the only redeemable British trot prove me wrong.


 No.2853481

File: e7d81b9710e7178⋯.jpg (23.36 KB, 300x291, 100:97, Alanwoodsconhugochavez.jpg)

>>2853478

What about the Welsh absolute boi?


 No.2853495

>>2853481

Eh he's alright, but still if he so close to Chavez why didn't he dissuade him from neo-extractionism, or worse did he encourage it?


 No.2853502

>>2853495

He tried to dissuade him, encouraged him to go further and not try to attempt 'half a revolution', but he didn't listen. He talks about it a lot and how Maduro shouldn't be trusted to do what has to be done.

However from what Wood's has written on what Chavez told him, Chavez was also very conscious of the elements within the venezuelan government and bureaucracy which were trying to sabotage or resist efforts to build new communes and bring in new policies, etc.


 No.2853524

>>2853502

Interesting. Did he do any work with Morales and other Pink Tide leaders or was it just Chavez?


 No.2853533

File: a45bd2c337ebec5⋯.png (127.46 KB, 480x300, 8:5, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2853530

For starters take off that flag pic related is Tito with Sunny Jim, secondly, get your autistic arse out of here.


 No.2853537

File: 940d110b12ab559⋯.png (187.85 KB, 612x411, 204:137, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2853533

Found a better pic.


 No.2853540

>>2853524

Only Chavez I think. I know that Hands off Venezuela at some point set up like a sub org about solidarity with Bolivia and Morales, but i don't think anything came from it since at least for now Morales hasn't been threatened in particular. But in general Woods is really big on the pink tide and socialism in latin america afaik.


 No.2853556

>>2853555

If you say so love.


 No.2853562

>>2853559

Whatever you want dear.


 No.2853566

wtf why is the discount anglo sperging out? Did tomokoposter refuse to suck his cock again or something?


 No.2853574

>>2853571

Anon put the drink down, and go have a glass of water.


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 No.2853624


 No.2853648

>>2853478

>trot

AFAIK he's a fan of Noam Chomsky and thus his critique of capitalism spans from "the media is controlled by the 1%" and "capitalism will doom the Earth…"


 No.2853656

File: 8b772d9d6d2be3e⋯.jpg (22.6 KB, 592x512, 37:32, 16154040b8cb852996c4e35d84….jpg)

>>2853648

If I ever meet him I'll break his bones for you


 No.2853674

>>2853648

Eh he was a member of the SSP and he cites Society of Spectacle as an influence so I give him the benefit of actually knowing what the fuck he's talking about rather than someone who has just seen a couple of Chomsky lectures.


 No.2854069

File: bea5cc2057c6a09⋯.png (40.02 KB, 639x528, 213:176, polls.png)

Ummm is this an in season April Fools Joke?


 No.2854216

File: 2fe50e4e4c6880f⋯.png (605.45 KB, 858x536, 429:268, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.2854264

File: 1099665b6f4c2cd⋯.jpg (35.15 KB, 810x539, 810:539, 0_Jeremy-Corbyn-Addresses-….jpg)

>>2854216

So what's happening tonight?

customs union vote passes;

Gov required to negotiate the customs union;

Labour push for vote of no confidence;

Brexiteers vote no confidence to stop government negotiating such a pathetic brexit;

Theresa gone;

Election between brexiteer tory and Corbyn?


 No.2854272

File: 96a6dffe5af6812⋯.jpg (21.68 KB, 463x376, 463:376, DBO8VagXsAEzx54.jpg)

>>2854264

Customs union is the closest, if it passes honestly this is a possible course of events.


 No.2854276

Am I back? Got gulag'd 2 weeks ago for saying a certain nation deserved the bucket of sunshine it was gifted

Fuck me Heidi Allen's a bit of alright isn't she? can't say I've ever notice before

What's the current take on tonight's memery then? I think we're headed for a general election if this common market amendment passes


 No.2854321

All 4 shot down, customs union was only 3 against, the shitemare continues


 No.2854326

>>2854321

>the shitemare continues

This was the best possible outcome though.


 No.2854405

>>2854321

>the shitemare continues

Why can't they just call a GE or a referendum to break this frustrating deadlock


 No.2854408

>>2854405

May is calling a 6 hour cabinet tomorrow, she May go for a GE.


 No.2854613

>>2854405

Probably 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧they🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 fear of losing it


 No.2854618

File: ab3d39ba86ad71c⋯.png (141.56 KB, 2688x2688, 1:1, 1344177706902.png)


 No.2854699

>>2854405

>GE

Means we would definitely need another extension and would have to take part in EU elections in May.

>referendum

Would enrage Leave voters and destroy any public faith in parliamentary 'democracy'.


 No.2854754

>>2854699

Irony is that if a GE is called, that means we'd have about three separate elections in may (Locals, General, then European).


 No.2854872

Are we getting a national unity government or what the fuck did she just mean?


 No.2854874

>>2854872

She's either gonna try and get a deal passed with 100 loyal tory MPs and Labour MPs, or she is just trying to shift the blame onto Corbyn and then go full no deal.


 No.2854877

File: 27682dcab0b4e44⋯.png (34.03 KB, 542x616, 271:308, 1536536328131.png)

>>2852927

>Panel Show "comedian"

>Was party to a PsyOp that genocided the intelligence and curiosity of millions of Brits on behalf of the political establishment

>Still not using real accent and pretending he's working-class GLESGA YA CUNT

In his own words: "My job was to keep people stupid". He can't be forgiven, even if he was one of the few who was actually funny sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2z-AdzgKjY


 No.2854879

So are the tories going extinct like the whigs after this or what?


 No.2854888

>>2854872

A blairite/tory parasite hive


 No.2854891

>>2854877

1) His thing is standup

2) This is some "gubment's are turning the frigging frogs gay" shit

3) He's from Pollockshaws, and that isn't even a thick Glasgow accent if it was really a south glasgow accent it would be unintelligible for Inglin.

>>2854879

Probs gonna be 1824 tier.


 No.2854914

File: 5cc3f249ad5e9d3⋯.png (132.05 KB, 434x326, 217:163, ClipboardImage.png)

File: e6ce5b89216e395⋯.png (82.98 KB, 996x381, 332:127, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 5c792754d573280⋯.png (111.14 KB, 988x499, 988:499, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 66063a6d152ae88⋯.png (75.75 KB, 996x332, 3:1, ClipboardImage.png)

File: e0992de615b79fd⋯.png (96.16 KB, 980x468, 245:117, ClipboardImage.png)

Have you lads seen this?

The absolute state, why is it always the case with these fucking degenerates?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-44798649

Also

>buys a fucking gladius to try and go on his murder spree like an ebin defender of western civilisation


 No.2854916

>>2854914

Holy shit he is from this:

https://youtu.be/oczj6thd4CY


 No.2854919

>>2854914

These guys are almost always fascists because of sexual frustration.


 No.2854928

>>2854916

Yeah I also recognised him from that cringey cultural margsism vid

Good to know BNP youth rears child groomers in its ranks :^)


 No.2854930

>>2854928

Well tbf the party doesn't rear anything anymore.


 No.2854938

>>2854916

>>2854914

What a twinky little dork. He probably couldn't kill anybody with that gladius.


 No.2854962

>>2854938

I mean killing some middle-aged woman mp isn't that unrealistic but this faggot also planned to kill the detective who was investigating his case and take people hostage, completely delusional.


 No.2854973

>>2854914

Lol, not even the first or the second Atom-Waffen linked pederast.

Definitely something there.


 No.2854983

>>2854914

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

I FUCKING KNEW THAT WAS THE GUY IN THE BNP AD. Lol I knew this fucker was mental.

You know what, I wonder what the other fucking weirdos who appeared in that BNP ad are doing? There was even a mixed race person there. God damn, they must be fucked up too.


 No.2854988

>>2854914

That fucking NA are linked to that misanthropic division, the scum who go out with the Azov battalion in Ukraine. This guy is WAY past being a simple racist.


 No.2854989

>>2854983

I know the ginger one rocked-up to parliament in a fucking Saint George Costume (It was a OP pic in an old leftybritpol thread). As for the rest of them, no idea: probs have joined UKIP or a UKIP adjacent party like For Britain.


 No.2854994

File: 6c7f0acc8b3f978⋯.png (541.93 KB, 622x897, 622:897, ran out of moggmentum.png)

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 No.2855040

Man the tory members are really shitting on May right now.


 No.2855055

>>2855040

Good, let's hope they tear themselves apart and we get an SDP type situation


 No.2855059

>>2854994

I would say I doubt they give a shit but losing one member is probably noticeable for the tories for how few they have.


 No.2855218

https://mobile.twitter.com/AliBunkallSKY/status/1113352300037398528

Footage of british soldiers in Afghanistan firing at a picture of Corbyn…


 No.2855296

>>2854877

>Was party to a PsyOp that genocided the intelligence and curiosity of millions of Brits on behalf of the political establishment

what


 No.2855297

>>2855218

The army has always been a hub of disaffected right wing kids from the North who failed their GCSE’s, I can’t say I’m surprised.

What’s more pathetic are the people defending it, saying shit like ‘Squaddies have their own humour us civvies will never understand!’, like there’s some subtle commentary here.


 No.2855320

>>2855218

>A Very British Coup intensifies

Also pretty sure this violates the Army's non-partisan image so heads must roll.


 No.2855336

File: 9429e836124b55d⋯.jpg (859.57 KB, 1600x1200, 4:3, comrade corbyn.jpg)

So a Nigel Adams resigned because May talked with a marxist, that never put Britain first.

What is his significance brit tovarishes?


 No.2855340

>>2855336

He is a pretty irrelevant dude as he was only a junior minister for Wales. His resignation doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of of things


 No.2855350

File: 2fd7e3516ca8277⋯.png (312.71 KB, 720x457, 720:457, 1daa20f54e7773e9764c99c319….png)

>>2855336

Writing's on the wall for this cabinet, I expect he's just CV padding for the next one.


 No.2855354

>>2855218

Seriously if Britain reacts this badly to a lukewarm socdem then socialism in this country is impossible without severe crisis and mass death.


 No.2855365

>>2855354

V for Vendetta ending with the military standing down was very optimistic.


 No.2855383

File: b909fc831151297⋯.mp4 (1.68 MB, 480x848, 30:53, BAF Kabul.mp4)

File: b112de99b8d8e43⋯.jpg (72.24 KB, 980x551, 980:551, 5ca48a2cfc7e93750d8b4649.jpg)

Her Majesty's Armed Forces on a shooting range firing at a photo of Jeremy Corbyn

https://twitter.com/AliBunkallSKY/status/1113352300037398528

https://www.rt.com/uk/455441-corbyn-shooting-british-army/

>A video clip circulating social media appearing to show soldiers shooting a picture of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, is to be investigated by the British Army, according to the UK Ministry of Defence.

>Ex-Army Sergeant, Trevor Coult, posted the footage on Twitter saying: “Not looking good for a Labour leader.” Coult has since deleted the 26-second clip that seemingly originates from Snapchat.

>The Ministry of Defence confirmed that the video, showing British troops shooting a Corbyn image at a shooting range in Kabul, is genuine.

These are the people who will hunt you down if you suggest reducing British military interventionism and the military budget and demand the economy be readjusted to work more in favour of the working class and not military contractors, finance capitalists and real estate developers.


 No.2855387

>>2855383

>It's from the fucking paras

Well they would be well-versed in shooting unarmed civilians tbh.


 No.2855391

>>2855297

>What’s more pathetic are the people defending it, saying shit like ‘Squaddies have their own humour us civvies will never understand!’, like there’s some subtle commentary here.

Which is great until you realise these people are specifically designated to guard VIPs and may be guarding Corbyn in government.

Still, I've seen a lot of disgust even from the centrist melts and tory outriders, so that's at-least nice. Stuff like this plays into Corbyn's favour because he comes off as an underdog.

>>2855320

Not even that, it has had major image issues over the last few years and with UK anti-terror law being so tight even the original poster might get prosecuted for it.


 No.2855420

>>2855391

>Stuff like this plays into Corbyn's favour because he comes off as an underdog.

It plays amazingly into Corbyn’s favour since it shows him as anti-establishment. The biggest myth from the far right in Britain is the ‘judeo-bolshevik cultural marxists control our government’ meme. This shows it’s nothing of the sort.

This past month has been utterly amazing for Labour, and I think we’re past the Anti-semitism claims now. A general election a month from now would be ideal.

And don’t worry, there’s no chance of a coup. It would never be supported by the population. The main plan if Corbyn takes power is to limit his ability to push reform.


 No.2855423

>>2855420

Why do you think it plays well into Corbyn's favor? I thought the British were mostly okay with their current leaders and military like the yankees are.


 No.2855428

>>2855423

Oh no something like this is a very "MY GOD THAT'S UTTERLY DISGUSTING" inciting thing. It's all about british sentiment: the military is seen but not heard. The concept that British soldiers are doing something like this will get people angry. Like even MPs who were squaddies barely every bring it up. Our society is pretty demilitarised, thank god.


 No.2855430

>>2855428

My incredibly cynicism just makes me think that this would decrease his support rather than increase it. Why would you want to support a leader who is targeted by the military? You don't want to get shot at don't you?


 No.2855433

>>2855423

Because us English don't nearly revere the army to the same extent Americans do, and expect them to act politically neutral and in service to the people. At best, this is being seen as a distasteful joke. But most are calling it evidence of poor discipline and far-right infiltration. Which are both genuine issues in the army.


 No.2855434

>>2855430

Yeah brits don't think like that: the concept of a mainlander even having a gun pointed at them is seen as beyond the pale.


 No.2855435

>>2855430

Because it shows him as an underdog and a martyr without being killed. Censoring ideas only makes them stronger. Why do you think Dubcek was so popular in Czechoslovakia?


 No.2855436

>>2855435

Also Britain has an underdog complex.


 No.2855437

>>2855436

I mean, without being nationalistic, I think that is our greatest trait. That and our strong sense of democracy.


 No.2855438

>>2855437

Also our weird class nationalisms, although I guess that isn't a shared trait.


 No.2855439

File: d9860544b99ff81⋯.jpg (127.17 KB, 768x1152, 2:3, SEI_58077767.jpg)

>>2855438

There's really 2 Britain's. The vague sense of self-loathing, introversion and cynicism present in the working and middle class, and the overtly traditional, smug, self wankery culture present in the Upper-Middle and Upper classes. The kind who carry these signs and think Great British Bake off is emblematic of our culture. they're the real problem.


 No.2855476

>>2844641

I guarantee you weren't even alive for her time in No. 10. Hate her all you want, but understand the context of what she did, why it was bad, and move on. No one has time for pontificating over events that happened almost half a century ago. When our time comes she'll be buried in the annals of history anyway.


 No.2855481

>>2855476

>No one has time for pontificating over events that happened almost half a century ago.

lmao, do you even know where you are.

name a more unlikable person.


 No.2855549

File: f600465df6faff0⋯.png (124.7 KB, 805x774, 805:774, Untitled.png)

The absolute state of the left leaning newspaper readership in the UK. People are living under EU austerity but don't take away my holidays.


 No.2855554

>>2855439

How entitled do you have to be to think your biggest issue is your dogs passport ffs.Middle class to the core, 600k+ house and 50k+ wage guaranteed. They see their social progressiveness as an indicator they are good people whilst simultaneously supporting the systems that subjugate the working classes.


 No.2855568

>>2855549

What's most annoying is how little a change from 'freedom of movement' to having to maybe apply for a travel visa really is, and how most of the people upset about it probably all fly to the Caribbean most years anyway


 No.2855578

>>2855549

>remaining in the eu will lead to a 100 years of tory rule

lmao what


 No.2855581

File: d361226c1bfc586⋯.jpg (7.58 KB, 164x106, 82:53, 295a.jpg)


 No.2855769

Brit bros what does last night s vote that passed with one vote mean?


 No.2855772

>>2855769

Assuming the bill passes the house of lords, the government is compelled to ask for a further extension, of the house's choosing, of article 50 beyond April 12 regardless of the passing of the withdrawal deal to prevent a no deal departure.

It unlikely that there is a majority for extending article 50 so far that we'd have to participate in the EU elections so most likely this will amount to May asking the EU to give us the extension to May 22nd or somewhere thereabouts even if the withdrawal agreement doesn't pass by the 12th.

The EU is most likely going to refuse at this point.

The alternative is if somehow a motion to ask for a long extension till like the end of the year passes, in which case who knows if the EU would accept but we'd have to have EU elections and all hell would break loose with brexiteer outrage.


 No.2855787

File: e5721233c91a94a⋯.jpg (124.4 KB, 543x700, 543:700, tito.jpg)

>>2855772

Hvala lepa.


 No.2855793

>>2855772

The other component of this is that if the EU says no to the last minute extension request, there would be one last vote to revoke article 50 before no deal brexit. In such a case I think the UK would likely stay in; the reason nothing has passed so far is because there are people who want neither no deal or a revokation. But given the choice between those two options and nothing else they'd rather stay in.


 No.2855798

File: 6ef8420b97c433f⋯.jpg (216.58 KB, 1653x2338, 1653:2338, 2f75191c233179d7c2cb040bc7….jpg)

>Corbyn ramming a bill that puts a stop on ever having a "no deal" Brexit

<t-trust the plan, he a good boy

Jesus Christ.


 No.2855799

>>2855798

He didnt ram shit you fucking burger.


 No.2855856

So what are the chances that pro-brexit majority stages massive protests when their vote is ignored?


 No.2855857

>>2855856

sorry, that sounds wrong

What are the chances that massive protests erupt because the vote of the people is ignored?


 No.2855897

>>2855857

Unlikely, I think most people who voted leave just want it to be over with. It will add to the anger of many people in the UK feeling like no one is listening to them. There would need some spark to set it all off though would have to be something pretty big though to initiate it maybe Corbyn being killed, 2009 rescission 2.0 or another Grenfell type thing. But I do seriously think we will see poll tax like riots within the next few years unless there is an early election.


 No.2855899

File: ad825511bff65f5⋯.jpg (74.31 KB, 640x480, 4:3, Fiona Onasanya.jpg)

>>2855799

>bill instigated by Labour's Yvette Cooper and Tory Oliver Letwin

>breaking vote was Labour's Fiona Onasanya, formerly imprisoned and "suspended" from her party


 No.2855903

>>2855798

no deal is gay


 No.2855923

>>2855903

You wanna go HARD?


 No.2855950

>Harry calls for a ban on Fortnite.


 No.2855954

>>2855899

That's not how british parliamentary procedure works at-all…


 No.2856073

>>2855857

The risky is less that there are massive protests, more that people get radicalised and join TOMMEH-KIP then going to further demos. That's far more insidious tbh.


 No.2856568

File: 6eb910ae3c6fca1⋯.png (1.18 MB, 1191x1200, 397:400, ClipboardImage.png)

I assume you lads already have your tickets.


 No.2856591

>>2856568

>World humanitarian forum

>call for action


 No.2857111

>>2856568

god why are british women so unattractive


 No.2857618

So what are the chances that one of the 27 veto the next extension to Article 50? I get the impression that a lot of them really, really don't want us staying in past the EU elections.

>>2855793

There was already an indicative vote covering this (providing for revocation of Article 50 if no-deal was imminent) and it was heavily defeated. I presume it would be closer if that scenario was actually happening though.

>>2855549

How do you avoid getting banned on that site? Also >using the word cuck around normies

>>2855856

More likely you would just get a (brief?) surge of fascist extremism and a general rise of apathy and cynicism in regard to bourgeois democracy.

>>2855798

That's not wholly accurate but in any case I don't know what else he can do when he's surrounded by FBPE snakes. It does disappoint me though to see him let shitters like Starmer get away with announcing that Labour's policy is to reverse the referendum, when that a) goes far beyond their precious 2nd referendum motion at last year's conference and b) is in breach of the 2017 manifesto.


 No.2857619

>>2857618

>So what are the chances that one of the 27 veto the next extension to Article 50? I get the impression that a lot of them really, really don't want us staying in past the EU elections.

V low tbh, though Macron might try and limit the extent of the extension.


 No.2857647

File: 1fa0046d3648bf1⋯.png (194.12 KB, 632x583, 632:583, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.2857652

>>2857647

Trust the autistically detached non-human products of the meritocracy to sign onto the latest neoliberal technocrat political project in a quest for non-ideological world domination.


 No.2857662

>>2857652

Honestly if/when they stand at an election their candidates are just gonna fall flat on their face.


 No.2857719

>>2857647

It always astonishes me how much they live in a bubble. Ofsted inspectors and execs in the NHS are two groups of people that nearly everyone hates


 No.2858984

>>2857719

I think they assume saying that is like the same as when people say Teachers & Nurses but it isn't.


 No.2859108

File: 41cb0448ef8c391⋯.jpg (34.75 KB, 640x960, 2:3, Bja-2fEIEAAk3Gf.jpg)

>>2852720

Referendum was only advisory, and Parliament can basically do whatever it wants even if it goes against the will of the people - although there is obiter dicta in some judicial decisions that may qualify Parliamentary Sovereignty I doubt the courts would ever rule that MPs couldn't do something just because it went against public opinion, even if it was voiced in a referendum.


 No.2859240

What are the chances Labour will agree to support a cross-party deal in the next few days? Seems to me Labour would be better off dropping it around now and letting the tories be humiliated again. Seeing as an extension is seemingly inevitable.


 No.2859311

>>2859240

Low tbh, mostly because the SNP are the only of the "Progressive" parties to not go full hard-remain now.


 No.2859332

File: d84af97708d0834⋯.png (654.94 KB, 640x636, 160:159, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.2859481

File: 716aa5b5efe3fc2⋯.jpg (506.82 KB, 1080x1558, 540:779, Screenshot_20190408-192000….jpg)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaahaha


 No.2859559

lmaooooo


 No.2859561

File: 9a112fecd359f9a⋯.jpeg (44.43 KB, 546x767, 42:59, honkpilled.jpeg)

>>2859481

Heaven, please sing for me a song of life

Heaven, take me into your skies

There's no place here for me to hide my cries

Night and day, I'm missing you (ooh)

I know I'm here for the magic

All your stars guiding me through and through

(Oh) why, this loneliness feel like… forever and ever

I gotta be, I gotta be, in your arms, baby

You're so close, so close

And it's you that I believe in, I believe in

So close, but faraway, so far I can't touch

I'll hold on

'Cuz it's you I love so dearly

When the rain, the storm, and all is done

Caress me with your sweet lullaby…

Heaven, please sing for me a song of life

Heaven, save me in my dreams tonight

Someday these wings will perish in your sight

Night and day, I call for you (ooh)

Flashes of moments of tragic

Wondering souls, they fall along the way

Tell me you will never leave me… forever and ever

I gotta be, I gotta be, in your arms, hear me

You're so close, so close

And it's you that I believe in, I believe in

So close, but faraway, I seek for your light

I'll hold on

'Cuz for you my heart keeps beating

When the wind, the fire, and all is gone

Caress me with your sweet lullaby…

Will you be my light

Will you be my strength

Promise you won't let me go…

I'll never betray

And in the end of time

Still my love's gonna be there…

You're so close, so close

And it's you that I believe in, I believe in

So close, but faraway, so far I can't touch

I'll hold on

'Cuz it's you I love so dearly

When the rain, the storm, and all is done

Caress me with your sweet lullaby…

You're so close, so close

And it's you that I believe in, I believe in

So close, but faraway, I seek for your light

I'll hold on

'Cuz for you my heart keeps beating

When the wind, the fire, and all is gone

Caress me with your sweet lullaby…


 No.2859580

>>2859561

Underrated post.


 No.2859608

>>2859311

SNP have been one most Remain out of all of them?? They have gone from SM+CU (basically being in then EU ) to revoking article 50.

>>2859240

I think this is all party of Labours plan. Get seen as coming in at the last minute voting on an "okay deal" which they can sell as "making Brexit happen" to leavers and "stopping no deal" to reminers.


 No.2859618

File: 9e2c4d9d090c182⋯.jpeg (9 KB, 185x273, 185:273, 9e2c4d9d090c182b945655d89….jpeg)

>>2859481

>UKIP literally funding meme men to keep themselves relevant

<tfw even that's failing because these meme men only have an audience in America


 No.2859628

>>2859608

Nah the SNP supported the SM deals in the indicative votes as compared to PLaid, the Greens, the Lib Dems, and the Cuks.

>>2859481

Tbh he might win if they put him top of the list in Scotland.


 No.2859745

File: aefe69e6a359472⋯.png (258 KB, 750x554, 375:277, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.2859820

>>2859561

That song brings me back. I wanna go back to the good old days were I didn't have to wonder if people where masking sincere genocidal beliefs behind shitposting. When there was zero reason to believe that the dumb shit that happens online has nothing to do with the real world


 No.2859837

File: c3fad0a6db9d893⋯.jpg (284.51 KB, 620x412, 155:103, bush_blair_iraq.jpg)

File: 4d1a419f09e8efd⋯.jpg (29.78 KB, 620x400, 31:20, blair-forwar_1505328i.jpg)

File: 7cc176d5761e354⋯.jpg (13.16 KB, 480x360, 4:3, hqdefault.jpg)

File: b0243c3b68845ba⋯.jpg (12.85 KB, 300x120, 5:2, blair euro.jpg)

>>2859820

do you really want to go back to this though?

my answer is: 'perhaps, for research purposes, but only because i now know that it ends.'

sometimes it's helpful to put time periods in their proper historical context instead of focusing on one particular area. the internet appeared to peak when society as a whole had troughed, before the two fully (well, openly. the separation of digital and real is an e-fallacy) integrated.


 No.2859846

>>2859837

I gotta say, before 9/11 and Iraq, there was this big feeling of 'Hey, maybe it's gonna be okay.' The minimum wage went up, the troubles began to end, the economy was doing well, and the tories weren't in government.

It genuinely felt like the end of history. Of course, none of that was to be, but there was a genuine feeling of optimism that I do sort of miss.


 No.2859849

>>2859846

I still remember people celebrating 9/11 over here with "That's what you get" and "God is punishing you for the bombing, what comes around goes around."

Some were even unloading their pistols in the air in my village.


 No.2859895

File: 1e5218124e92098⋯.jpg (35.66 KB, 624x351, 16:9, cunt^2.jpg)

>>2859846

eh, that sense of a meh-k end of history has always appealed to me less than fire and brimstone. such cynicism, ill-will and a total refusal of optimism may have been po-faced (and more than a little clinically depressed) at the time, but it would be hard not to feel vindicated if that wasn't dominated by a sense of relief. Something like the vision set out and implied in Will Hutton's The State We're In should've been the 1990s response to the 1980s and I'd set that at the bare minimum* for any optimism. For the quick succession of big things (devolution, NI peace, minimum wage) there was equally a management style that sucked all the potential fun out of it and a bunch of tedious errata, best punctuated by Brown's conservative budgets and the ghastly pledge cards setting numerical little management targets, all optimism and joy to be finished off by the 2001 non-election. Good lord, what a bizarre 4 years. Then 9/11 ruined the dinner-party…

it probably says something pathological about my worldview that if neoliberalism did work, i would still reject it in favour of almost anything else. it makes more sense when you zoom in on the specific circumstances of early-Blairism, but even assuming things were working perfectly (i.e. lasting full employment by the market mechanism) there's something horrifying yet boring, something that just deeply fails to satisfy about the neoliberal vision, an existential nightmare that seems absent in other social systems. (Perhaps because, having fallen, we know those are not the end of history.)

Still, it can't be as pathological as those who remain Blairites, or those who have become Blairites while barely remembering his term in office.

*I mean, we did actually get a lot of the constitutional reform. Certainly the most overlooked element of the Blair government (except for viewers in Scotland. Though even they don't want to mention who did it.) We just didn't get the necessary economic reforms. Still, at least we also didn't follow Hutton's subsequent advice on the Eurozone. (Everyone can be wrong about something, i suppose…)


 No.2859947

>>2859895

To me, I think nostalgia for the Blair years comes because of the boredom, complete banality and dullness of it. When the biggest news story was Diana's death, and the strikes, riots and bombings of the 80's already felt like stuff to be studied in the history books, despite only having been a decade ago.

I don't think people at the time even realised how miserably uneventful it was, the general consensus to me was 'This is how politics are'.

I have to say, I'm glad it ended. But I can't help but feel a warm sort of safety for those years when I hear Pulp on the radio or see photos from back then.

>there's something horrifying yet boring, something that just deeply fails to satisfy about the neoliberal vision, an existential nightmare that seems absent in other social systems.

Yeah, it lacks the drive or vision of any other kind of ideology. I wouldn't really call it one at all. It's the line of thought that career politicians followed, and we were taught was 'just how things are'. If you suggested anything too far to the left back then, you'd hear some snide 'And where's the money for that gonna come from?'. Only Thatcher ever really believed in it.


 No.2859962

Got called racist in Greggs.


 No.2859985

File: 8fa70769b515509⋯.png (18.43 KB, 649x165, 59:15, Untitled.png)

I find it really unsettling how firmly liberals believe their own propaganda. This person has hundreds agreeing not only that they are right, but that all other opinions are invalid.


 No.2860006

>>2859985

I mean, they're right. A confirmatory referendum is the 'right' (moral, democratic) thing to do. I simply do not care for that sort of democracy and oppose another referendum precisely because i get the feeling it might go the other way and keep us in.


 No.2860043

>>2859985

it would be a fitting end to the whole Brexit process though even if it is inefficient.


 No.2860097

>>2860006

Wouldn't the democratic process see us actually ACHIEVE brexit rather than just moan about it though? I mean, we haven't got the result of that DEMOCRATIC vote yet, but people are acting like we have and they're fed up with it. None of this turmoil is because of Brexit itself, we're not even out of the EU.


 No.2860213

Made a new thread >>2860211




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