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File: 44fba2604981241⋯.jpg (5.85 KB, 251x133, 251:133, 1333488146655.jpg)

 No.2845233

Which Linux distribution does leftypol use? Some of the obvious advantages of Linux over the commercial alternatives are

- higher security

- faster, more customizable

- free and open source

- community based

I myself prefer Debian-based distros, so that I may apt-get purge kulak softwares.

Also, shoutout to >>>/gnussr/

>inb4 commodity fetishism

Linux is not a commodity.

 No.2845238

Take a guess


 No.2845241

File: f936a7e6bc9be52⋯.jpg (259.37 KB, 1200x1200, 1:1, voidlinux.jpg)

Void

>fast init (runit)

>powerful package manager (xbps)

>sane defaults

>just works

It is aimed at people somewhat familiar with Linux, as the documentation still isn't that great. For most things you can use the Gentoo or Arch wiki and then adapt it for Void.


 No.2845245

Linux:

- Full of holes and unpatched vulnerabilities along with backdoors.

- Slow and bloated

- GPLv2 with proprietary blobs.

- Corporate developped

OpenBSD:

- Architecturally built for security, patched as soon as an issue is discovered.

- Fast and lightweight.

- Permissive license with no proprietary firmware.

- Community-based absolute meritocracy.


 No.2845251

>>2845245

>OpenBSD:

>no hyperthreading

>no video card support

>no ZFS or HAMMERFS

>license that allows Apple and Sony to just take code and give nothing back


 No.2845253

>>2845251

>Muh SMP

It's a meme.

>Prorietary firmwares

No.

>Complex and unsafe filesystems

Who cares? We're talking about desktops.

>Cuck license

I agree.


 No.2845256

Debian, since I dont like updating.


 No.2845258

>>2845241

Actually thinking about switching to void.


 No.2845260

Kali


 No.2845271

I like Debian GNU, it is widely adopted and does the one goddamned job that it was designed to do.


 No.2845319

Linux mint, because i heard from it another person that is light. I don't know much about linux in general.

Intel Core Duo L2400 1.66GHz + 3GB ram. Should i switch to another os?


 No.2845330

>>2845319

You can try Lubuntu, MX Linux or Peppermint OS they are more lightweight than mint while retaining its user friendliness.

But if you are happy with your linux mint installation, you should stick with it, don't fall for distro hopping.


 No.2845333

>>2845330

Thank you.


 No.2845379

Linux Mint


 No.2845607

File: 35a1af1570f2769⋯.png (972.35 KB, 641x4513, 641:4513, arch 1437121507500.png)

File: 89affd03109db0e⋯.png (870.63 KB, 650x4377, 650:4377, arch 1423893887325.png)

Arch.

technically antergos cuz I don't want to install all that shit, but I love the ecosystem and community*


 No.2845612

TempleOS


 No.2845614

File: 42378c2d681df84⋯.png (627.29 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, interject.io.png)

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,

is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.

Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component

of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell

utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,

without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU

which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are

not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a

part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system

that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.

The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;

it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is

normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system

is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"

distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.


 No.2845615

>>2845607

Arch really isn't that hard. At the end you just end up with a systemd distro which leaves you with a sour taste in your mouth. Those images must be made by reddit because I've never had to compile anything with it.


 No.2845644

File: 010f6f30ed3d825⋯.jpg (61.75 KB, 437x437, 1:1, gV7UzYi.jpg)

>>2845614

Can we have a decent leftist version of this pasta? Something like "I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Leninism, is in fact, Marxism-Leninism, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Marxism plus Leninism."


 No.2845647

I use Debian. I tried other distros, but they were either bloated or prone to breaking(probably my fault).


 No.2845648

dude who cares just use windows 10 and google chrome btw halo is coming to steam in 2019 gaymers rise up


 No.2845649

File: 4e444765821bf44⋯.jpg (55.67 KB, 800x764, 200:191, 4e444765821bf444d4fcd33dc9….jpg)

>>2845648

>just use windows 10 and google chrome


 No.2845651

Distros are nearly identical to each other. Like 95% of the code is the same.


 No.2845652

>>2845644

<Or as I've recently taken to calling it, Marxism plus Leninism plus Maoism plus Hoxaism plus Juche plus…


 No.2845714

>>2845233

Trisquel


 No.2845718

>>2845253

you can't separate the end product from the determining logic of its license. that would be idealist


 No.2845753

Allready loving this thread.

Tell me, comrade faggots, which torrent sites do you visit in order to pirate native linux games?

For me, it's rutracker.org – even tho I don't speak russian. They upload regularly native games and pre-made vulkan enviro wine games, which only require me to double click to run.


 No.2845793

>>2845753

>They upload regularly native games and pre-made vulkan enviro wine games, which only require me to double click to run.

like those flatpaks?


 No.2845794

File: b99e29e434c86c2⋯.jpg (21.49 KB, 400x240, 5:3, casual.jpg)

merely  >ubuntu


 No.2845796

>>2845753

Wget + tar + gcc for native


 No.2845870

>>2845233

I use arch and arch based distros when I'm to lazy to install arch. I can't live without the aur and the up to date packages.


 No.2845919

centos


 No.2845952

File: fee8284b2e7c220⋯.jpg (16.96 KB, 500x344, 125:86, smonk.jpg)

File: e368662fc55ecca⋯.jpg (36.51 KB, 474x353, 474:353, btw.jpg)

Pick related.

>>2845260

>Kali

LARPer tier.

>>2845238

>>2845241

Both excellent choices.

>>2845379

Can't go wrong with mint.

>>2845714

Utter trash. Second worst distro after Cuckbuntu.

At the end of the day, the distro question isn't all that interesting. What window manager someone uses tells you a lot more. I use i3.


 No.2845955

Arch Linux is the only non-meme answer. So much choice in the AUR.


 No.2845962

>>2845952

>i3

get on my level


 No.2845963

>>2845962

forgot


 No.2845965

File: 99af9d52d6360b0⋯.png (7.4 KB, 4096x2560, 8:5, 2019-03-21.png)

>>2845963

w3m is a fuck


 No.2846081

>>2845965

get on my lvl. dwm.


 No.2846272

>uses edgy wm

>has to load in gtk and qt libraries anyway when running software

just use xfce4, u god damn hippies


 No.2846292

>>2846272

I never use software through GUI, I just use X11 because my framebuffer is slow af


 No.2846354

>>2846081

No point using dwm when awesomewm exists.


 No.2846403

>>2845870

hello me !


 No.2846540

File: 4df9fd5bd0a8843⋯.png (134.41 KB, 1029x1024, 1029:1024, Linux Mint logo without w….png)

File: 4f9f89e6896961a⋯.jpeg (143.93 KB, 957x421, 957:421, mint dev on palestine.jpeg)


 No.2846561

>>2845233

Slackware

Because I'm lazy


 No.2846585

>>2846540

wtf is that 2nd pic?


 No.2846591

>>2846354

What's the memory usage?


 No.2846627

>>2846561

Not too lazy to hunt down dependencies.


 No.2846682

>>2846272

QT stuff is the worse if you aren't using a real desktop it won't use the real file picker and gives you a shit old one instead.


 No.2846775

>>2846540

Mint is

antizionist

made by GNU Gang


 No.2846825

>>2845952

>Utter trash. Second worst distro after Cuckbuntu.

Good God if your going to chat shit at least provide reasoning.


 No.2846867

Manjaro because I like the AUR


 No.2846871

>>2845612

are you using leftypol through cdrom?


 No.2846873

Arch, but I don't do anything fucking stupid like post on /r/unixporn or "rice". It's just what I'm most comfortable on now and it's perfectly stable.

AUR requires compiling for a lot of things, but its not that slow with 2019 hardware.


 No.2846884

File: 1ee170d22cde824⋯.png (77.92 KB, 1006x540, 503:270, Screenshot_20190322_001937.png)

>>2846873

Have you tried pamac to install packages fro the AUR? It's really great.

It's a GUI tool for installing package from Manjaro but it obviously works for arch too as they both use pacman.


 No.2846892

>>2845644

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Leninism, is in fact, Marxism-Leninism, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Marx plus Lenin. Lenin is not a worldview unto itself, but rather another addition for a fully functioning Marxist view made useful by materialist philosophy, political economy and scientific socialism comprising a fully formed theory as defined by Marx and Engels.

Many proletarians apply a modified version of the Marxist view every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Marxism which is widely used today is often called "Leninism", and many of its applicants are not aware that it is basically the Marxist system, developed by Marx and Engels.

There really is a Leninism, and these people are applying it, but it is just a part of the system they apply. Leninism is the elaboration: the addition to the system that allocates the proletariat's unanswered questions to their rightful reconciliation. The elaboration is an essential part of the Marxist theoretical system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of the complete system. Lenin is normally used in combination with Marx: the whole system is basically Marxism with Leninism added, or Marxism-Leninism. All the so-called "Leninist" socialists are really socialists of the Marxist-Leninist variation.


 No.2846894

>>2846585

Linux Mint dev endorsing BDS ten years ago. He got a bunch of backlash for it and apologized I think.


 No.2846938

>>2846894

>and apologized

fuck


 No.2846950

File: 22eabbeaf5bb9ca⋯.jpg (27.96 KB, 480x600, 4:5, snnn.jpg)

>>2846825

It has lxde and mate out of the box. BLOAT.

>>2846873

>uses arch

>doesn't rice

So you just use the one default terminal? What a chad.


 No.2846982

>>2846950

>BLOAT.

If your using a toaster yeah sure


 No.2847029

File: aa38938629e5029⋯.jpg (91.85 KB, 500x751, 500:751, smaok.jpg)

>>2846982

I'm using an IBM ThinkPad x200. I run Windows 10 on my desktop since I share it with people who need Windows for some reason, but if I had it to myself I would run arch on that to, and it has a $400 GPU.

The problem with bloated distros isn't just the increased load average, it's also that you have to remove a bunch of packages to get it outfitted in a way that is actually usable.


 No.2847040

File: da828ad7c5ca506⋯.jpg (129.21 KB, 1500x1080, 25:18, ThinkPad_755_486DX4.jpg)

>>2846982

>>2847029

Linux is already too much bloat for toasters like the 486 (pic related).


 No.2847042

>>2847040

I mean the recent Linux versions like 2.6.x and over.


 No.2847045

>>2847040

I can probably fit gentoo on there.


 No.2847050

>>2847045

Only 16MB though.


 No.2847051

File: 91a08ae62038886⋯.jpg (1.58 MB, 4032x3024, 4:3, IMG_20190322_004045033.jpg)

File: 884657d8d84673b⋯.jpg (481.63 KB, 4032x3024, 4:3, IMG_20190322_004505892.jpg)


 No.2847052

I prefer to use Debian on my servers. I use Windows on my PC. I'd like to change that but all my data and shit is on here and I can't afford another drive to transfer it all to.


 No.2847053

>>2847052

You could just reduce your NTFS data-partition size and install Linux or whatever else on a new partition.


 No.2847071

File: e7b95d9732265aa⋯.jpg (68.97 KB, 938x477, 938:477, anniemay.jpg)

>>2845952

>can't go wrong with downstream cuckbuntu

>hates cuckbuntu proper

lolok


 No.2847110

debian all the way. it takes a while to customize and the debian team doesn't like synaptic for some reason (there's a thick known bug since at least 2017 nobody takes care of and in the newest testing release synaptic doesn't even start), however otherwise it's rock solid and fast under gnome, faster than ubuntu even. i also still use macos and windows though.


 No.2847130

>>2847110

>it takes a while to customize

GNU Stow is pretty great I found. Basically a folder where you put all the dotfiles you want, and it links them to their proper places via symlinks. Make it a git repo and setting up your environment like you want is as simple as git cloning and stowing.

I've stopped distrohopping a few years back, so don't find myself having to set my shit up again and again, but this makes it easy to go and do that if it came to it.

But it does take time to figure out what you want to customize and how to in the first place, had to run linux as my main OS for a year or two until I got it down, it's my only OS now.


 No.2847151

>>2847110

>GUI PIG DISGUSTING

How hard is it to type "apt update" really?


 No.2847156

What's /leftypol/ informed opinion on systemd.


 No.2847170

>>2847156

Based and Poetterpilled.


 No.2847179

>>2847151

so you like typing and if apt update is the only thing you use your package manager for you might as well renounce desktop environments altogether and work in cli mode all the time. i for one do need a gui for certain applications and i like synaptic because it provides a much more convenient interface for most package management tasks than apt.

>>2847130

i would prefer debian as my only os, but i use some commercial software and hardware whose devs apparently either hate linux or don't care about linux users.


 No.2847194

>>2845644

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Socialism, is in fact, a strong state plus capitalism, or as I've recently taken to calling it, social democracy. A strong state is not socialist unto itself, but rather another component of a fully functioning socialist society, as made useful by the socialist mode of production and abolishment of private property and wage labour, comprising a socialist society as defined by Marx.

Many so-called democratic socialists campaign for a modified version of capitalist society every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of capitalism sought after by these people is often called "Socialism", and many of the campaigners are not aware that it is basically a capitalist society, as made evident by the capitalist mode of production.

There really is socialism, and there are people striving for it, but social democratic societies are not socialist. The state is an essential part of a socialist society, but not socialist by itself; it is only socialist in the context of a complete socialist economy. The state is in this case used in combination with a capitalist mode of production: the whole system is basically capitalism with strong social safety nets added, or social democracy. The so-called "socialist" societies like Venezuela or Scandinavia are really just social democratic.


 No.2847196

>>2847194

I campaign for social democracy myself but I don't honestly believe it should be the end goal. I don't think it's the best possible system. I just think it's the most feasibly attainable one in my country (the US.) I feel like some people think if social democracy is achieved people will be happy enough with it that they give up on anything better than that. But I feel like it will open the door to more left wing ideas and help to undo decades of red scare brain washing bullshit.


 No.2847244

I want to free myself from the Windows chain but Arch and other distros scare me. Am I a massive bitch if I decide to just use something like Ubuntu or Mint.


 No.2847285

>>2847244

You gotta learn somehow.

I'm actually back on it after doing the distrohopping routine, since things you learn are transferable.


 No.2847290

>>2847244

No of course not.

You can easily go for Linux Mint either Mate or Cinnamon edition, Ubuntu Mate or even MX Linux if you want to try Debian without the hassle of configuring it.

Just avoid Ubuntu vanilla.


 No.2847327

Torrented windows XP on a stolen laptop


 No.2847329

Has to be Parabola. All of the perks of Arch, but entirely free and privacy-conscious in all areas bar the AUR. Couple it with Libreboot and you have yourself a computer that you own yourself in all aspects.


 No.2847332

>>2847051

Like I said, I can probably fit Gentoo on there.


 No.2847350

>>2847051

I've never seen such a weird modular system. Is this just an old standard for laptop components or is this an proprietary system by IBM?


 No.2847396

>>2847244

I use Arch but only because I prefer the way they handle package management and the AUR. There's really no reason to use a "harder" distro like Arch, it's all personal preference.


 No.2847551

>>2847332

Try running a recent Linux kernel (5.0+) with less than 16MB of memory. Even most kernel images are larger than this.

Not even talking about running some bloated python-based package manager like Portage or even trying to build @system with GCC.

>>2847350

https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/IC_DRAM_Card


 No.2847557

>>2847290

>Just avoid Ubuntu vanilla.

Why?

I'm on Ubuntu-GNOME and it's the best Linux experience I've ever had (been "trying" it out on and off since 2006 at least).


 No.2847560

>>2847551

I cant run recent kernel on it but I can install gentoo on it.


 No.2847570

>>2847557

Well, if you like it, good for you, it's just that I don't like GNOME nor Canonical.


 No.2847602

>>2847560

What's the point in installing Gentoo on the HDD if you can't even run it? As I said, Linux is already too much bloat for toasters like the 486, even without accounting for memory issues, it would just be too slow.


 No.2847606

>>2847244

Start off with antergos as your Arch distro.


 No.2847608

>>2847560

And if you meant memes like Gentoo/*BSD or even Gentoo/Hurd, they wouldn't work either.


 No.2847612


 No.2847618

my bwain hurts this computer talk confuses me


 No.2847620


 No.2847622

>>2847570

Well nice job poisoning the well for everyone not well versed in Loonix and interested in trying out the most popular distro with the most popular desktop environment.


 No.2847631

>>2847608

>>2847602

Install redcore

https://redcorelinux.org/

It's Gentoo but more simple


 No.2847634

>>2847622

There is literally no difference between GNOME3 on Ubuntu vs on Debian (or even on Fedora), except the botnet that comes with Canonical (or Red Hat).


 No.2847638

>>2847620

ur mom is nsa


 No.2847646

File: aa38938629e5029⋯.jpg (91.85 KB, 500x751, 500:751, smaok.jpg)

>>2847071

I don't use mint myself, but if you want a distro which "just werks" mint is pretty damn good.

You can't deny that Cinnamon is way less bloated than GNOME, Unity, or MATE


 No.2847659

>>2847646

Oh shit, forgot there is a version of Ubuntu that comes with XFCE. I used to run it on my chromebook, and it was pretty decent.

Fuck it, Ubuntu is fine if you use XFCE.


 No.2847676

>>2847634

There it is, the botnet bullshit term that infested 4/g/.

Could it be better with opt-in telemetry at install or no popularity ranking that ultimately helps make the distribution better in the long run? Sure it could be, but it is still vastly preferable than having anything m$oft or apple installed on any of your machines.


 No.2847685

>>2847676

>Amazon spyware is the same as popcon


 No.2847715

>>2847685

See the update in https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.en.html

>Since Ubuntu version 16.04, the spyware search facility is now disabled by default.

16.04 was released on april 2016.

Might still be there in 18.04 for all I know, certainly the FUD still gets circulated that bezos himself checks your bash history daily.

Anyway, the point was it shouldn't be advised to the uninitiated to go full stallman right from the gate, you have to ease stallman into your (w)hole (body). Even if stallman himself is just a radlib, he is still right some of the time when it comes to computing.


 No.2847721

File: 0eab9e2044e6234⋯.png (3.76 MB, 2920x12664, 365:1583, gldt.png)

>>2847631

Is this another meme variant of source-based Linux distros like Sorcerer, Lunar, Source Mage or whatever?


 No.2847816

>>2847715

>it shouldn't be advised to the uninitiated to go full stallman right from the gate

I'll stop your fallacy right there, this would be like advising Social-democracy to newcomers because Marxism is "too complicated".

I was not simply advocating against Ubuntu, but even suggested that Debian was no different in any meaningful way, yet doesn't have the issue of having to worry about Shuttleworth's spying deals with for-profit corporations.

My point being, Debian is good enough for any unexperienced Linux users. Whereas Ubuntu is just trying to limit your freedom by limiting options under fancy GUI gloss, so that you won't worry about being cheated on. This is the same technique used my most proprietary software, hiding bugs under the rug.

At least Debian tries to be honest during it's install and maintenance process. This is the actual point of free software, being in control of your machine. In this regard, Ubuntu is pure lifestylism.

Stallman makes a lot of good points in his post, why don't you follow his advice and stop shilling for Ubuntu?


 No.2848073

>>2847816

Who are you radicalizing straight from the proverbial womb?

See adhering to the FLOSS philosophy the same way.

Been using Linux for years now, and still not close to the ideal core/libreboot on an old IBM thinkpad or a lemote.

I just dislike writing off a huge distribution where I and many got started, that has lots of resources to get by on.

But fine, lets let bygones be bygones, it would be better just to get people running a Linux distro instead of any proprietary OS.

We should get a simple how-to started, since it looks like we have some people who know their stuff, to get the less technology-inclined comrades at least acquainted with Linux, if not running it themselves, and stop bickering over ultimately inane topics such as spaces/tabs, what de/wm to use, or emacs/vi.


 No.2848098

>>2847816

Ubuntu is shit now, but Debian is a bit of a monolith that can be frustrating to deal with if you aren't familiar with how it works compared to other distros. Recommending something like Mint goes a long way.


 No.2848111

>>2847040

I know! I tried even using lubuntu and it's too much.


 No.2848119

>>2848111

What CPU?


 No.2848120

>>2848119

Oh geeze, I dunno, that old thing has been shelved for a while. I'm at work ATM and can't check it ot


 No.2848156

File: f18dc01ec6675cf⋯.jpg (69.71 KB, 500x500, 1:1, tumblr_pnxovhzPWG1se2gay_5….jpg)

manjaro because i can't be assed to arch


 No.2848460

Just use mint, simple as fuck and runs fast.


 No.2848474

>>2848156

would manjaro be good for a beginner? also, would it be better than mint? or ubuntu?


 No.2848495

>>2848474

Yes. Manjaro is the best distro for beginners.


 No.2848515

How the fuck do you install void?

I managed to install gentoo but this thing is just a enigma to me. Even then it seem all the packages come installed binary and xbps-src doesn't seem to act like a regular package manager from the wiki. Why do I have to use microsoft controlled github to grab source packages from the main repo?


 No.2848523

>>2848515

does xbps work with xbps-src for system wide updates or do I have to painstakingly compile each and every new source package?


 No.2848606


 No.2849006

>>2845241

>logo is a pokeball

No thanks, I'm not 12.


 No.2849013

File: 80927cf0c822ca5⋯.jpg (51.61 KB, 474x337, 474:337, skeleton_5.jpg)

>>2848606

>Fully customizable Kernel

>Package manager written in Scheme

My cock is hard. I must try it.


 No.2849175

>>2846950

i3 and default polybar config tweaked to hidpi font sizes, but nothing else. i3lock with a cool lookin tree background.

all of my friends rice and give me all these cool scripts to make all these color schemes and blur that I never use. it looks half decent, and just works. why bother with anything else.


 No.2856495

Debian because of its FREE data policy… GNU itself only requires SW to be free, not data, but as a free culture supporter I I despise anything unfree.


 No.2856496

File: 3c9b2e14680ebbc⋯.png (189.11 KB, 1440x900, 8:5, install gentoo.png)


 No.2856501

File: e4d614c8e1075e4⋯.webm (6.93 MB, 720x576, 5:4, gnu linux.webm)


 No.2856515

i'll stay with the altered Win7 I have and not bother with 50,000 identical linux distros. come at me, nerds.


 No.2856545

Debian stable. Most reliable distro I have tried. The Debian wiki documentation is quite help for when I don't want to do something but don't know how.


 No.2856552

>>2845233

Linux Mint

I'm not an experienced or power user though. Just want a simple comfy desktop that's similar to windows.


 No.2856556

>>2845648

based and redpilled


 No.2856639

>>2845233

my mom uses windows (mostly for her work).

i give my old computers to my mom.

therefore i have no reason to use apple or linux

that being said, when my mom retires, i might switch to apple


 No.2856700

File: 5dce9865a4238bb⋯.jpg (23.99 KB, 345x345, 1:1, gay_shit_and_me82.jpg)

Fedora KDE spin… Been using it for about 6 months or so.

Used to use Manjaro until an update broke the system.

And I say the "system" because I don't know exactly what it broke, it could've just broken X for all I know. The point is: I couldn't be assed to fix it, so I just installed a different distro altogether.

I hate both manually compiling shit and waiting for updates (so Debian is completely out of the question). Luckily Fedora (+ RPMFusion or whateverit'scalled) has had all the packages I wanted except for alacritty. So it has been working just fine.


 No.2856718

>>2856639

You can still use linux and just install windows when you give it to your mom.


 No.2856738

I'm currently using Ubuntu because I was just too overwhelmed with the 100+ different distros out there. I don't even know where to start with "really getting into" Linux. I just spend too much time looking up different distros and never can decide on anything. I always feel like I'm choosing the "wrong option"

I was hoping this thread might help me decide but now I'm just more confused


 No.2856775

>>2856718

i'm not going to switch to linux. not because i couldn't if i had to or because i don't know how. i just don't want to. i won't.


 No.2856836

>>2856738

Just pick one and distrohop, it is a rite of passage.

You eventually end up sticking with a particular one.


 No.2856838

yall better remember to have a greybox


 No.2856849

>>2856515

No one's forcing you to go through every single identical linux distro.

If you don't care about looking like a tech wizard, just pick a distro which is simple to use but just 'out there' enough that you won't be made fun of for using it like Debian or Antergos.

Noticing the anarcho-syndicalist flag on your post, you should definately look into free-software linux distros if you want to make sure that your computer doesn't have any spyware, backdoors, and serious unsolved bugs on it during the revolution.


 No.2856861

>>2856515

>>2856775

Your loss.

Don't come to me with organizing the revolution if you can't get rid of your spyware boxes for communication.


 No.2856891

>>2856861

>tfw bashing a capitalist's head in with a libreboot'ed thinkpad they used to use a few years ago and still being able to use it after hosing off the blood and brain matter

No better feeling.


 No.2857287

>>2847040

Never get a keyboard as nice as that again. Hardon


 No.2857404

>>2856775

Why not? As long you are not into gaming, you have nothing to lose.


 No.2857569

systemd is for budgies with too much ram and not enough sense


 No.2857625

File: d17c2bd963818f0⋯.png (59.48 KB, 580x600, 29:30, d81t7hono9p21.png)


 No.2857626

>>2845233

I've been using Linux since the early 90's. Started on Slackware and used some different distros.

These days I find myself installing Linux Mint XFCE4 on most things. No hassle, light weight, lots of software with debian/ubuntu bases, timeshift and easy kernel upgrade/downgrade tool, xfce4 is really impressive with loads of customization, never looked back from using cinnamon a few times.

The whole thing is so easy and sleek it makes me feel kind of lazy and stupid, but I'm too old to be arsed with shit that doesn't work at this point in my life.


 No.2857629

>>2857404

Gaming is not a problem unless you are running with some shit hardware these days. Pass a second GPU through to a Qemu/KVM guest running windows and you can have 99% of bare metal performance if you are willing to do some optimization with hugetables, virtio-drivers/hardware passthrough, uma/numa/cpu-pinning and the likes.


 No.2857631

>>2857629

Gaming isn't a problem also because video games suck. Linux has all the applications that matter.


 No.2857737

>>2845241

Didn't the maintainer of Void go AWOL at some point? I would be concerned it's not getting timely security updates.

I use stock Ubuntu because it just werks and there's security in numbers.

>inb4 muh systemd

>inb4 muh Canonical

Who gives a shit?


 No.2858062

>installed mint on my chinkpad

>really like the environment, everything feels smooth and nice

>Anything more complicated than playing videos is a train wreck for me I can't figure out how to get all my drives to auto mount, can't figure out how to have battery charging management and a battery indicator at the same time

>Can't move files from second HDD to external HDD because of privilege issues, have to open ranger and do it through there while logged in as root for seemingly no reason

>randomly decides to use 100% of the cpu randomly when running youtube videos but will play 1080p 10 bit all day at 10% cpu utilization

>Somehow managed to uninstall my password manager when trying to change my trucrypt key

>Have an enthusiast grade desktop I want to install linux on but I don't want to do it if I'm just going to get frustrated in a week and go back to windows

Am I just retarded? Is there any hope for me?


 No.2858094

>>2857631

You know there's video games that aren't AmericanWarPropagandaSimulator2018 right?


 No.2858121

>>2858062

Mint is actually terrible for anything but casual shit. Seriously use Ubuntu.


 No.2858124

I think this might be useful for some people.

http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php


 No.2858170

>>2845238

Gentoo


 No.2858173

>>2847045

If you made.your own stage1 and build your own toolchain you could put it on anything.


 No.2858365

>>2858062

use gnome disks for an easy gui tool for mounting drives if you don't want to learn how to edit fstab

to own the drive:

sudo chown -R user:user /path/to/your/drive

replace 'user' with your username

mint isn't great, but not because of what >>2858121 said. it's unnecesarily downstream of debian and doesn't really give you anything over a *buntu except some preinstalled stuff and defaults.


 No.2858367

>>2858365

the package is called 'gnome-disk-utility' if I wasn't clear enough about that.


 No.2858389

>>2857404

Because Windows (to be specific, my installation of Windows) has some special drivers that Linux doesn't have. Also I play games occasionally. Anyway, (You) aren't going to change my mind on this. Maybe I should stop posting in this thread.


 No.2858392

>>2858389

if you pick your parts correctly you can pass through all the necessary components to a windows virtual machine with near native performance.

https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO/wiki/index

which drivers?


 No.2858418

>>2856700

yeah, that's been happening with manjaro. the general recommendation is to update with a TTY, not in the gui environment.


 No.2858421

File: 8bbeb834e667d10⋯.png (24.63 KB, 1339x164, 1339:164, truecrypt.png)

>>2858062

>truecrypt

seriously? use veracrypt, luks, etc

>Anything more complicated than playing videos is a train wreck for me I can't figure out how to get all my drives to auto mount, can't figure out how to have battery charging management and a battery indicator at the same time

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fstab

>Can't move files from second HDD to external HDD because of privilege issues, have to open ranger and do it through there while logged in as root for seemingly no reason

>>2858365

>randomly decides to use 100% of the cpu randomly when running youtube videos but will play 1080p 10 bit all day at 10% cpu utilization

think this was a cinammon bug that is no longer present.

>Have an enthusiast grade desktop I want to install linux on but I don't want to do it if I'm just going to get frustrated in a week and go back to windows

it takes a little pain to get used to linux, command lines, programming, and all the rest, but you will find you can use your computer much more efficiently over time and that you enjoy coming up with solutions to puzzles/problems inherent in effective computer operation.


 No.2858483

>>2846950

>too retarded to uninstall


 No.2858869

File: 1a3371caed53361⋯.png (958.6 KB, 1360x768, 85:48, antix.png)

antiX's main dev is called anticapitalista, is that lefty enough for you? Also, it's a very lightweight system, so that you can stick it to the man by putting old hardware to good use rather than buy the latest and greatest.


 No.2859603

The Gnome desktop is just so good for switching between windows and opening up software. it's literally two buttons to open up a program, and a few more keystrokes to open up a file.

Really great if you are the sort of person who is constantly switching windows.


 No.2859679

>>2859603

that is the worst thing about gnome. 90% of it is really cool and useful, it's the other 10% that's pure dogshit (laggy, bloat, huge title bars, refusal to cooperate with kde on stuff like dbus)


 No.2860830

what kind of FOSS alternatives are windows and also for android to most popular stuff? i know about the /g/ wiki but i don't think it's been updated that frequently.


 No.2861443

>>2861432

ikr? don't be evil lol


 No.2861544


 No.2861946

Debian because I'm a boomer who can't be bothered to try out new distros; also their repos are quite complete and most things work with little or no hassle


 No.2862496

I use Mint, Kali, and TAILS mostly. Each have their own main purposes.

>Install Gentoo

A bit too much work for me. I get much of the power Linux provides without the headaches in the OS's I use.


 No.2862501

File: 0c9d18c620f4bda⋯.png (20.89 KB, 323x243, 323:243, 0c9d18c620f4bdaf8e1b74a662….png)

I'm a complete beginner and want to free myself from wangblows for everything but gaming, what do I use


 No.2862554

Earlier in this thread I said I used Arch. Lately the updates have been really unstable on my setup. So, I'm trying out fedora. It's a lot more up to date than Ubuntu but some stuff like youtube-dl is still too out of date to be useful. I had to grab the binary and compile an up to date dependency myself which is a total hassle. I want to switch back to arch but the graphics drivers and kde keep corrupting by themselves. Which doesn't happen on Fedora. The whole thing is a pain in the ass.


 No.2862558

>>2862501

Manajro linux.


 No.2862571

>>2862554

stop using proprietary nvidia


 No.2862587

>>2862501

Mint + Cinnamon is basically wangblows with allegedly no spying.


 No.2862603

>>2862501

just use a *buntu or fedora

>>2862496

>kali

woah, we got a dangerous hackerman here! fbi! fbi! somebody stop this man!


 No.2862629

>>2862571

I don't have an Nvidia card. I was using AMDGPU. The drivers would hard crash a couple times a day doing random tasks like clicking on a video. It doesn't happen in Fedora so it's not a hardware problem. I was also having issues with systemd after all the security updates. It was taking forever to shutdown.


 No.2862742

Devuan, it's debian minus systemd.

Gnome's not available, but KDE and all the lighter WMs are.

Some people are worried it's not as well supported and tested as debian, but honestly it's always just werked for me. 95% of the packages are identical to debian anyway.


 No.2862748

>>2862742

Why would you want a system without systemd? Never quite got the hate for it.


 No.2862858

>>2862748

the main complaint is that systemd suffers mission creep. form your own conclusions

>The design of systemd has ignited controversy within the free-software community. Critics regard systemd as overly complex and suffering from continued feature creep, arguing that its architecture violates the Unix philosophy. There is also concern that it forms a system of interlocked dependencies, thereby giving distribution maintainers little choice but to adopt systemd as more user-space software comes to depend on its components.[86]

>In a 2012 interview, Slackware's lead Patrick Volkerding expressed reservations about the systemd architecture, stating his belief that its design was contrary to the Unix philosophy of interconnected utilities with narrowly defined functionalities.[87] As of August 2018, Slackware does not support or use systemd, but Volkerding has not ruled out the possibility of switching to it.[88]

>In January 2013, Lennart Poettering attempted to address concerns about systemd in a blog post called The Biggest Myths.[15]

>In March 2014 Eric S. Raymond opined that systemd's design goals were prone to mission creep and software bloat.[89] In April 2014, Linus Torvalds expressed reservations about the attitude of Kay Sievers, a key systemd developer, toward users and bug reports in regard to modifications sent by Sievers to the Linux kernel itself.[90] In late April 2014 a campaign to boycott systemd was launched, with a website listing various reasons against its adoption.[91][92]

>In an August 2014 article published in InfoWorld, Paul Venezia wrote about the systemd controversy and attributed the controversy to violation of the Unix philosophy, and to "enormous egos who firmly believe they can do no wrong".[93] The article also characterizes the architecture of systemd as similar to that of svchost.exe, a critical system component in Microsoft Windows with a broad functional scope.[93]

>In a September 2014 ZDNet interview, prominent Linux kernel developer Theodore Ts'o expressed his opinion that the dispute over systemd's centralized design philosophy, more than technical concerns, indicates a dangerous general trend toward uniformizing the Linux ecosystem, alienating and marginalizing parts of the open-source community, and leaving little room for alternative projects. He cited similarities with the attitude he found in the GNOME project toward non-standard configurations.[94] On social media, Ts'o also later compared the attitudes of Sievers and his co-developer, Lennart Poettering, to that of GNOME's developers.[95]

>On July 6, 2015, an issue was raised on the systemd Github page expressing concerns about the hard coding of DNS servers in the systemd code. Poettering responded that it is not the actual DNS but rather the fallback DNS that is hard coded. He added that the fallback DNS is only used if "…nobody configured anything…" and to prevent connectivity issues due to catastrophic failure of configuration files or a lack of DHCP on the network. As Poettering described, the system "…should do the right thing…" if, as an example, the /etc directory were missing or empty. Poettering also noted that the /etc/systemd/resolved.conf file installed with systemd contains exactly the same DNS servers as the fallback DNS thereby resulting in the same operation regardless of the /etc directory being empty or present.[96]


 No.2862939

>>2862858

>an issue was raised on the systemd Github page expressing concerns about the hard coding of DNS servers in the systemd code. Poettering responded that it is not the actual DNS but rather the fallback DNS that is hard coded. He added that the fallback DNS is only used if "…nobody configured anything…" and to prevent connectivity issues due to catastrophic failure of configuration files or a lack of DHCP on the network. As Poettering described, the system "…should do the right thing…" if, as an example, the /etc directory were missing or empty. Poettering also noted that the /etc/systemd/resolved.conf file installed with systemd contains exactly the same DNS servers as the fallback DNS thereby resulting in the same operation regardless of the /etc directory being empty or present.

How is this not downright malicious software?


 No.2865153

>>2862858

>>2862748

On top of the bad design & philosophy of systemd, it's also just badly written. Systemd has intruduced quite a few very serious bugs so far.

All the publicly known ones have been patched quickly, but it shows their slapdash attitude to qc and makes one wonder what bugs haven't been caught yet.

Old-skool init systems are generally rock-solid and probably haven't even changed in years.


 No.2866593

>>2865153

are you a devuan boi? void? how do I escape the systemDong botnet?


 No.2866604

>>2866593

The easiest way would be to install MX Linux, it's a debian based distro which is systemd free and uses sysvinit (well actually, it comes with systemd installed but disabled).

But there's also devuan, Gentoo, void, slackware and the list could go on…


 No.2866607

>>2866604

slackware is useless though


 No.2866695

>>2862748

>>2862742

What's the point of a specific Debian repository just for supporting an alternative init?

Debian is still maintaining sysvinit (using it right now) and I don't have to use any of the systemd/dbus crap.

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/sysvinit


 No.2866699

KDE Neon.




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