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File: a3faf8ced014563⋯.png (21.42 KB, 350x225, 14:9, 350px-Pyramid_scheme.svg.png)

 No.2860173

What is a good Marxist take on these?

Namely, how would one go about demonstrating how a multi-level marketing company is more exploitative than a "conventional" hierarchical workplace in capitalism? The boss gets the consultants (who are the consumers) to buy a bunch of the company's product, which the consultants then sell to others and try to recruit others into the company. It's disastrous, since the consultants often times end up going into debt working for these companies through buying a bunch of unsellable stock, and the recruitment model is inherently unsustainable. Through the lens of the LTV, how would these companies be understood?

Long the same lines, what can be said about pyramid and ponzi schemes more generally?

 No.2860175

>Namely, how would one go about demonstrating how a multi-level marketing company is more exploitative than a "conventional" hierarchical workplace in capitalism?

Because it doesn't even hide the stealing of surplus value. Not even surplus value, the person above you takes everything you make the first time around!


 No.2860178

>>2860175

That's what I thought too, like the consultants/consumers spend whatever money they make off selling the products on more products from the boss.


 No.2860184

It reminds me of those kids you see in mall kiosks who aggressively try to sell you leggings or nail products. ALL they make from those kiosks is commission, which is why they aggressively force you to buy their shit. And the scummy part is, most of them are foreigners (in my mall it's two Egyptian guys selling ugly leggings and jewelry and one Russian girl selling skin care/nail creams) who are operating on guest worker visas. And, on top of it, they have quotas they have to meet, which is more reason why they shove their products down your throat.

Someone should investigate those too.


 No.2860205

>>2860173

I don’t know if pyramid schemes can even be viewed in the lens of normal economic activity in that they’re literally just a scam.

I think what’s more interesting is the ideological aspect of pyramid schemes. While other cons try to exploit desperation, greed, loneliness, etc of the victim, pyramid schemes are unique in that they exploit petty bourgeois aspirations. The con artists’ whole angle is promising their victims that partaking in their scheme will allow them to join the ranks of the petit bourgeoisie, to become an entrepreneur and be your own boss. So, naturally, these organizations have been endemic in the US.


 No.2860215

A good Marxist take might be dropping the liberal moralist perspective of sorting exploitation by intensity. Capitalism should ideally be shown to be contradictory in what defines capitalism, not the activities (such as scams) that exist alongside it. You could ban MLM and capitalism would still function fine.


 No.2860217

>Long the same lines, what can be said about pyramid and ponzi schemes more generally?

They are widespread out there. Cryptocurrencies are basically weighted decentralized ponzi schemes.

Read Frederic Lordon, he's a heterodox economist. He works with a marxist framework using Spinoza affect theory it's very good


 No.2860324

>>2860205

>While other cons try to exploit desperation, greed, loneliness, etc of the victim, pyramid schemes are unique in that they exploit petty bourgeois aspirations.

Interesting point. The difference could partially be attributed to the fact that a pyramid scheme is a non-competing entity (or, rather, that like other corporatist solutions internalize competition with the subsequent fantasy of meritocracy) unlike a company competing with other similar entities on the market.


 No.2860535

>>2860217

Interesting.


 No.2860536

the very essence of capitalist exploitation


 No.2860695

>>2860215

>A good Marxist take might be dropping the liberal moralist perspective of sorting exploitation by intensity. Capitalism should ideally be shown to be contradictory in what defines capitalism, not the activities (such as scams) that exist alongside it.

This TBH. All of capitalism is a pyramid scheme. The idea there's "good" or "bad" capitalist enterprises is pretty anti-Marxist.


 No.2860828

>>2860215

Adding on to this, pretty much everyone's worldview is shaped in such a way that they view their political ideology as being moral, or at the very least the "lesser evil." For the most part, moralistic arguments for socialism will fall flat, unless they are already sympathetic to socialism. Argue instead about the objective flaws of capitalism.


 No.2860857

>>2860173

They're essentially the retiered notion of piecemeal labour, but for sales instead of idunstry. If you consider distribution a part of labour, they're pretty classic in terms of the Marxist critique of which, but I think distribution is solved much easier so these are faux-labour fronts that serve cleverer petty-capitalists from the less adept of them.


 No.2860996

Pyramid schemes have nothing to do with the production of value, it is just a way of syphoning off existing value from the victims of the scheme.


 No.2860999

File: 4588bbfc7859ebc⋯.png (180.87 KB, 463x269, 463:269, toni.png)

Have you ever tried to do the washing up without any washing up liquid?


 No.2861094

Basically buzzwords for the way capitalism usually functions


 No.2861153

>>2860996

>>2860857

Both of these are good answers.


 No.2865739

Bump


 No.2865858

I have zero problems with people doing retarded self-destructive shit to themselves in their free time. This is not what’s wrong with capitalism.




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