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File: c5f36da8ae0a49a⋯.png (325 B, 275x183, 275:183, Donetsk.png)

File: 7d280150806bcd5⋯.png (1.78 KB, 1280x853, 1280:853, Lugansk.png)

 No.2861347

What do you think of the 'People's Republics' in Ukraine? Are they any good? And what about the foreigners who volunteer to fight for them: are they just delusional or are they actually doing good?

 No.2861350

Ukraine supports fascists.


 No.2861354

I dunno but I read an article about the international "tankie brigade" that's fighting over there. They sounded like if /leftypol/ formed a militia, like flying Anti-Imperialist Action flags and lots of conversations about why Stalin got a bad rap while rolling around on the tops of APCs. Came across like a goof troop but they also hate Nazbols and they're fighting actual fascists so

I've watched some videos from there and the guys running the show seem like chain-smoking gangsters. But there's also a lot of Soviet nostalgia in the population and it's a heavy industrial working-class area that doesn't want to get turbo-fucked by Ukrainian oligarchs. The situation in the rest of Ukraine seems totally dire.


 No.2861358

File: c2598a2f6e0a0ec⋯.png (19.5 KB, 651x196, 93:28, 34.png)

>>2861354

Kek, I made this thread because I read that article. Although obviously the writer is too far removed ideologically to give a completely fair picture of them.

https://harpers.org/blog/2018/11/light-in-the-donbass-window-tankies-and-anti-imperialist-fighters-in-east-ukraine/


 No.2861361

It is undeniable that they are antifascists and anti imperialists. They are heroes.


 No.2861364

>>2861347

They seem pretty based tbh


 No.2861373

>>2861358

lmao yeah at this rate they're going to start writing "read leftypol" on artillery shells.


 No.2861387

Probs gonna get banned for this but fuck it.

Any potential the Donbass "revolution" had to achieve anything is long dead, all that is left is Russian puppets and Velikaya Rus' chauvinism. While the revolt itself was fueled by legitimate concerns about Ukrainian chauvinistic nationalism, now it is just a relic continuing fighting for the sake of it. Those praising the "BASED STALIN WORSHIP" have to realise that reverence from Stalin is not from any communist nostalgia, but chauvinistic russian nationalism: the kind that says Lenin was an evil jew and Tsar Nicky did nothing wrong. If you don't believe me, Regardless, most of the Donbass leaders are dead now, killed in convenience assassinations and replaced by pro-Kremlin commanders (if Kiev or Moscow killed Givi and Motorola it doesn't matter, for both of them it is a boost for their side). And the Donbass Republics are only really keeping afloat due to Russian aid shipped in from the east, which actual Russians are getting kinda salty over since people in Donbass get better benefits than those in say Rostov-na-Donu. Also doesn't help that the entire economy of the Azov coast was based on Ukrainian-Russian aerospace projects, especially the Russian space programme.

And as for foreign volunteers, well you'd find yourself in good company with: Bulgarian fascists, Hungarian Turanists, literal fucking Chetnici, Chechen mercs, Paramilitary Cossacks (that moonlight as Putin's personal Okhrana back home), and Nutjob Eastern Orthodox Jihadis. Obviously comrades in the revolution tbh.


 No.2861389

>>2861387

Eh, guess i'll take the chechen mercs, whatever the fuck that is.


 No.2861392

>>2861389

Veterans of the Chechen wars who didn't become jihadis.


 No.2861402

File: e376c8f7acce041⋯.jpg (148.11 KB, 848x478, 424:239, miting-antinato-2-848x478.jpg)

>>2861358

Fucking great guys

>>2861387

>is not from any communist nostalgia, but chauvinistic russian nationalism

Depends on the groups


 No.2861405

>>2861358

It's 2019 and you have kids in a militia who will laugh at you if you don't like Stalin. Unironically based.


 No.2861406

>>2861387

> all that is left is Russian puppets and Velikaya Rus' chauvinism

Fucking horseshit, have you actually watched any material THEY make? they outright state that they're sick of Russia's unreliability and lack of actual support. if you're going to point out people like fucking Strelkov, you can just go to fucking /leftpol/, anyone who does their research knows that people like Strelkov have no influence and the vast majority of those people were either removed or left after a few months of war.

>everence from Stalin is not from any communist nostalgia, but chauvinistic russian nationalism

So you say… except that one of the biggest and most famed groups in Donbass was a Christian Communist brigade, the majority of whom were made up of people born and/or raised in the USSR, such as an Pushtun (afghanistan) man, who was raised in a soviet orphanage after the mujahedeen killed his parents and who outright stated that he wanted to repay the USSR and its people for what they did for him and afghanistan by removing the fascist scum in Ukraine.

You're just spouting cherry-picked nonsense ignoring people like french and spanish volunteers who cite the soviet union and its fight against fascism in Spain and during WW-2 as part of their motivation, or for the former East German man who, despite being a successful business man, dropped everything to fight and help Donbass. Or the sniper from Holland. These examples can go on and on.

>most of the Donbass leaders are dead now, killed in convenience assassinations and replaced by pro-Kremlin commanders

Horse-shit

> the Donbass Republics are only really keeping afloat due to Russian aid shipped in from the east

Hardly, they're the more industrialized part of Ukraine, and they've been TRADING with what they have with Belorus and Russia. The majority of Aid from Russia is voluntary materials provided by Russians, not the government who are, at best, sending food.


 No.2861410

>>2861402

>Depends on the groups

For your Babushka carrying a portrait or a 50-year old Afghan vet it has nothing to do with the USSR and more to do with daddy Stalin making Rossiya stronk.


 No.2861411

>>2861402 (me)

I'm going to shoot the potential "muh red brown alliance" point down right now, k.

Look at how the Yellow Vests are seizing the means rn


 No.2861413

>>2861406

Mate now that Motorola, Zakharchenko, and Givi and dead the entire Donbass governments are more hollow than a Kinder Egg. Most of the popular leaders from the start of the rebellion are dead, and the whole thing is running on fumes.

>So you say… except that one of the biggest and most famed groups in Donbass was a Christian Communist brigade

Is that so father, please show me a good figure of their size, their name, their exploits: I can read Russian so I would love to hear of this because I haven't heard a fucking thing of such a group ever existing.

>You're just spouting cherry-picked nonsense ignoring people like french and spanish volunteers who cite the soviet union and its fight against fascism in Spain and during WW-2 as part of their motivation, or for the former East German man who, despite being a successful business man, dropped everything to fight and help Donbass. Or the sniper from Holland. These examples can go on and on.

Considering I'm am talking about thousands of nutjob Cossacks and you are bringing up individual rando examples, I'm not the one cherry picking here lad…

>The majority of Aid from Russia is voluntary materials provided by Russians, not the government who are, at best, sending food.

Lamo, "at best the Donbass has to rely on food from Russia", did you actually read that? Also a country that needs to rely on about ~20k tonnes of humanitarian aid a year is not doing well mate: especially for the place's small population.

But don't let facts get in the way of your feelings.

>>2861411

Yellow vets don't have anti-communist slavic fascist organisations fighting with them.


 No.2861414

Support for the People's Republic of Donetsk and Lugansk against the Ukrainian fascist


 No.2861417

>>2861413

>Yellow vets don't have anti-communist slavic fascist organisations fighting with them.

They beat Action Francaise members in the streets after a bit.


 No.2861418

>>2861347

I used to follow the situation there closely, a few people I was acquainted with were there for a while. I'd say it has plenty of revolutionary potential.

>are they just delusional or are they actually doing good?

Those who are serious about fighting are stilll there today. Probably one of the most famous is an American named Russel "Texas" Bentley, he's retired from the front lines but still actively works to support and help out.

Here's an interview of his: https://mltheory.wordpress.com/2018/08/31/interview-with-russell-bentley-american-communist-in-donbass/

Here's his youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrISPAa6ZCgbDr4OFEsInBA/videos

A useful channel on the war: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgMnMAgR8pY04npvnnlvoHw/videos


 No.2861419

>>2861417

Yeah but most GJs are socialist of one tendency or another and they are heavily against the more rightwing and racist elements around them. Iirc there's a video of leftist GJs beating up other GJs holding racist signs.


 No.2861421

>>2861417

I am French so I know my subject well in the yellow vest you have everything from nationalists to royalists but also antifa and communists like me but the movement so much more and more towards left-wing claims


 No.2861424

>>2861419

it should be known that the proletariat in France is mainly of the economic/anti-liberal left (the past of social movements and the long socialist past in France to play for many)


 No.2861427

File: c898af9d0ed990a⋯.jpg (10.59 KB, 225x225, 1:1, download.jpg)

>>2861419

I was speaking more towards the idea of just waiting for a Socialist movement to develop then disposing of retards after they stop bringing manpower .


 No.2861442

>>2861424

That's good


 No.2861445

File: 83b167014b1d2b2⋯.png (1.28 MB, 1000x655, 200:131, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2861413

>please show me a good figure of their size, their name, their exploits

Unit #404 for 1 example, the other group is the same one to which the afghani volunteer Abdul belongs to, I don't remember the name.

>I can read Russian

Whoopee fucking do, so can I.

>I haven't heard

exactly yet you speak like you're the authority on it.

> I'm am talking about thousands of nutjob Cossacks

IN Donbass? You tell me to provide the name size and exploits of 1 group yet make a nebulous claim like that yourself. Amusing really. judging by how you're wording this it seems like you read the english wiki article on the Donbass war and decided to run your mouth since most of what you're saying is literally reworded phrasing from there.

> a country that needs to rely on about ~20k tonnes of humanitarian aid a year is not doing well mate: especially for the place's small population.

Well yeah, having a war and being essentially pinned between a capitalist manipulator of the Russia federation and the fascist Ukrainian Junta makes it problematic. You're still ignoring the fact that they literally export coal to help BUY more.

>don't let facts get in the way of your feelings.

The pot calling the kettle black comes to mind


 No.2861446


 No.2861448

>>2861429

>Ukraine just has some SS LARPers

LARPers who actively fight as a part of the military and who have connections directly to several major political figures in Kiev including Poroshenko


 No.2861460

>>2861445

>>2861413

Also a group of mostly communists

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8F_(%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BE%D0%BD)

>Donbass governments are more hollow than a Kinder Egg

Hardly, there still remain a few leaders and few if any are directly tied to the Russian government


 No.2861556

>>2861554

so there's literally no hope for Ukraine?


 No.2861569

>that second flag

we BMW ///M now


 No.2861639

A European group of Fascists went and checked their elections as legit. Make of that what you will.


 No.2861641

The Communist Party of the Donetsk People's Republic had a lot of seats in the DPR Soviet at first, but in 2016, the leaders were expelled and the party lost all political power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Donetsk_People%27s_Republic

The oligarchic economic system in Donbass has remained largely the same, aside from a few token nationalizations. Anyone advocating radical changes to the economic superstructure is expelled/purged (Communists) or assassinated (every anti-capitalist DPR commander was killed by "his own" security services).

Sucks because there was serious potential here. Communist nostalgia is widespread in Eastern Europe, especially in Ukraine. A successful socialist post-Soviet state could have incited a red tide throughout the region. It makes sense why Russia, Ukraine and local capitalists conspired to crush the revolutionary potential.

Leftist DPR commanders (Batman, Mozgovoy, etc) should have been more aggressive and try to stage a coup. They were too meek and were destroyed - at least we can learn from their mistakes.


 No.2861644

>>2861641

French commune 2.0?


 No.2861645

>>2861644

*paris


 No.2861655

>>2861402

lmao is that in Munich in the Kaufingerstraße? I can't even imagine the salt of all the yuppies there.


 No.2861661

>>2861413

I'm sorry, but what the fuck - nobody says that there isn't a struggle in Donbass over what type of state should be carved out. It could very well and up as a fascist entity, some center-right Putin asset OR a rather progressive front with communists and other progressives being the dominant force. Should communists just surrender the fight in favour of the fascists, who will then appropriate it? This isn't how national liberation works. I'm sure 60 years ago you'd consider the Viet Minh in the Indochina War "fascists" and ridicule the communists fighting alongside them.

>muh scary Slavic fascist

The Slavs aren't subhumans who are constantly drinking and abduct people on the street to record snuff videos. A Slavic reactionary isn't scarier or crazier than a French or an English reactionary. You give French fascists trying to subvert the Yellow Vests a pass but you scoff at reactionary elements in Donbass because they are Slavs.


 No.2861665

>>2861429

Putin is center-right, I think a few Russian nutjobs who make Stalin icons and celebrate tsar Nicky are less scary than a bunch of NATO-backed and Israeli supplied SS brigades.


 No.2861736

>>2861354

>They sounded like if /leftypol/ formed a militia,

Kek


 No.2861798

File: 2e655ea80f0f7c6⋯.png (47.13 KB, 1024x635, 1024:635, _85184868_ukraine_donetsk_….png)

Is there any chance Russia would let a genuinely leftist state, or even a state with genuinely leftist elements, exist on its borders in the long term?


 No.2861804

>>2861798

Isn't Putin a closet communist?


 No.2861805

>>2861804

Lolno.


 No.2861806

>>2861804

He is closer to becoming the new Tsar than a close socialist.


 No.2861881

>>2861661

>Should communists just surrender the fight in favour of the fascists, who will then appropriate it? This isn't how national liberation works. I'm sure 60 years ago you'd consider the Viet Minh in the Indochina War "fascists" and ridicule the communists fighting alongside them.

I would've pointed to WWII-era Yugoslavia under Nazi occupation for another example.


 No.2861883

Considering that some of the anti-Nazi resistance groups were basically just motivated out of racial hatred for Croats and so on.


 No.2861896


 No.2872033

i was completely neutral about ukraine since i don't know shit about the conflict and all i saw was dumb american news takes saying "this is russian encroachment of a soverign nation"

until i watched this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKacrqOmIw&bpctr=1555908040

you don't kill civilian people and be openly right wing fascists under the support of western imperialist powers and not deserve to be hated by real leftists. fuck ukraine.


 No.2872079

File: 920a8a2126bcaca⋯.jpg (118.7 KB, 632x960, 79:120, prayer .jpg)

>>2861387

>eastern orthodox jihadists

you're making donbass sound better and better anon


 No.2872081

>>2861413

>Yellow vets don't have anti-communist slavic fascist organisations fighting with them.

i mean action française is working with them and the party contained quite a few vichy collaborators, georges sorel also worked with action française and he's sorta relevant in fascist theory and political ideology considering he helped create the damn thing


 No.2872089

>>2872081

Don't smear Sorel. He was our guy. The right has always cannibalized left wing theory for anything they can use for their ends.


 No.2872146

>>2861798

See that part west of Odessa?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria

Is Ukraine doing anything to these Communists?


 No.2872220

>>2872079

>eastern orthodox jihadists

Should I even point out that in WW-2 Soviet Muslims waged Jihad against the Nazis?


 No.2872230

>>2872079

No I mean as-in Orthodox Christians that are basically Jihadis.


 No.2872309

File: aeab498becf3de1⋯.jpg (25.35 KB, 233x388, 233:388, benito.jpg)

>>2872089

i'm not bashing sorel by any means if anything early fascism was pretty good, people like valios, sorel, and most of the french and italian national syndicalists were pretty good and despite claiming to be third positonists were more like left wing nationalists


 No.2872346

So what does the election of Volodymir Zelensky mean for the Donbass? Does it make peace more likely?

>>2872146

Transnistria is supported by Russia so Ukraine can't do anything about it. Also it's not Communist.


 No.2872393

>>2872346

Yes, it makes Donbass being peacefully integrated with ASSR-esque autonomy vastly more likely. The only issue is if there was a backlash in Russia for signing such a deal, which is possible but at the same time the Russian government spends a lot on aid to Donbass which causes a degree of resentment. As mentioned, it also helps Zelensky is from the Russian-element of the Ukrainian population: which gives him a degree of cred.


 No.2872606

>>2861347

There's this guy who has a youtube channel called Popular Front and he went to Ukraine trying to make some field journalism, and well he said that Ukraine isn't exactly fash but it has a lot of them working and fighting for the goverment, also he said that Donbass is a ☭TANKIE☭ shithole


 No.2872611

>>2872606

>I get that donbass is fighting against both western imperialism and the fascists they are using to control Ukraine but fuck them cuz le ☭TANKIE☭s r bad n stuff y don't they organize in a way that doesn't hurt my feelings ;_;

Every anarchist from America is a worthless piece of shit


 No.2872634

>>2872611

>Dey hav hammmer an sickl an ar gud

Donbass is as full of fash as Ukraine.


 No.2872648

>>2872634

[Citation Needed]


 No.2872674

>>2872346

Of course it's not communist, I'm just thinking in terms of Ukrainian right wingers.

That said, isn't donbass supported by Russian long range artillery at least?


 No.2872678

>>2872611

I sympathize with this statement in popular fronts case. He even supported the 2012 coup in Venezuela for some odd reason.


 No.2872679

>>2872309

Everyone hates you Bordiga.

MADE BY ARDITI DEL POPOLO GANG


 No.2872688

>>2872674

>isn't donbass supported by Russian long range artillery at least?

It's dominated by Russia, that's my point. Can a tiny leftist state survive on the doorstep of a great bourgeois power?


 No.2872693

File: c41ae792914cf5f⋯.png (19 KB, 500x590, 50:59, dqlbzun2hzn21.png)

>>2872678

>He even supported the 2012 coup in Venezuela for some odd reason.

Lenin did nothing wrong regarding kronstadt and mahkno tbh


 No.2872921

>>2872693

I want to know if his claims that fsb kidnaps people disobeying the 10 pm cerfew and the large prostitution ring that comes out at night in donbass are true or not though.


 No.2874712

File: 635143ec5088a44⋯.jpg (219 KB, 980x551, 980:551, 5cc09d11fc7e9377358b4595.JPG)

Putin signs decree making it easier for eastern Ukraine residents to obtain Russian passports

> Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree that will simplify getting a Russian passport for eastern Ukraine residents of the breakaway republics. Putin said that the move is aimed at protecting human rights.

>The new rules, that took effect immediately on Wednesday, apply to the permanent residents of the breakaway parts of Ukraine – Lugansk and Donetsk regions – the area which has an estimated 3.7 million residents who are predominantly ethnic Russians. The decree allows for the residents of the two republics to get a Russian passport under a simplified three-month procedure.

>The decree has been published on the Kremlin website three days after Ukraine elected a new president.

>It’s not aimed at “creating problems” for Ukraine, Putin explained. “People living on the territories of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics are completely deprived from any civil rights, it crosses all boundaries from a human rights perspective to tolerate this situation,” he said.

>The regions have been a battlefield for five years, after eastern Ukraine residents rejected the new authorities which came to power during the 2014 Maidan events. The new Kiev authorities tried to quell the rogue regions by force, using military and police units, as well as affiliated far-right volunteer militias. While the fighting was not very active for the past few years, the smoldering conflict regularly takes its toll on the both warring parties, as well as local civilians.

>Ukrainian authorities have imposed a strict blockade on the breakaway regions, trying to prevent any cash and goods flow into the self-proclaimed republics. Apart from continuous artillery shelling of residential areas, Kiev also repeatedly disrupted water and electricity supply. Their residents therefore are forced to frequently go to Russia, in order to get the most basic household items or healthcare. Moscow, on its part, tried to ease the hardships of the Lugansk and Donetsk residents, repeatedly sending humanitarian convoys packed with food and other basic items and recognized the identity documents issued by the republics in 2017.

>The simplified process of getting Russian citizenship for the residents of the breakaway regions has been rumored for some time. Proponents of the measure argue that Russia should help alleviate the hardships which people in the two self-proclaimed republics faced since turning against Ukrainian authorities.

https://archive.is/VaVti

https://www.rt.com/russia/457426-russian-citizenship-dnr-lnr/


 No.2874746

>>2874712

Interesting while this was not unexpected it was thought Putin would give blanket citizenship rather than just make it easier.


 No.2874747

>>2872606

>also he said that Donbass is a ☭TANKIE☭ shithole

As opposed to what, a NATO-backed fascist shithole?


 No.2874750

>>2861358

fucking based


 No.2875002

>>2874712

What is the significance of the presidential election to this move? Is Putin doing this because he thinks the new president will be more accommodating, or because he wants to pick a fight?


 No.2875010

File: c19488bea9f8b6f⋯.jpeg (1.83 MB, 2040x1107, 680:369, dotp.jpeg)

Here's finnbol's interview with a Donbass guy:

https://youtu.be/y-49TZO9F1Q


 No.2875029

>>2875002

The new president gave an interview about a week ago to some talk show w here he said that he wont recognize their autonomy he wont amnesty the prisoners and that Putin is his enemy. The Ukranian Parliament this week passed a law banning the Russian language in everything except private speech which Poroshenko signed into law so in response Putin pretty much annexed those territories just now.

The new president is a clown and likely didnt realize what he was saying. Poroshenko is still in power and could be for weeks or months depending on what happens the parliament is still loyal to Poroshenko and are also passing a law that will significantly limit the new presidents power. Putin sabotaged Zelensky's whole thing all of Ukranian pro war media will expect maximum hostility from him now or else he will be seen as weak and ineffective so the whole reason for his election of stopping war has been sabotaged


 No.2875039

>>2875002

Well considering the rumours was that Putin would flat-out give citizenship to Donbass citizens: I imagine that Zelensky's election moderated his move, while he still have to made it in-order to gain some leverage.

A big part of the Donbass scene is that since about 2017, the regional elites are out of power so Russia is de-facto in control. Now this anon >>2875029 is right that the Rada will try to pass some reactionary shit, and Zelensky is posturing. I severely doubt this is a reaction to anything Zelensky said or the Rada did purely because such a move was a known quantity. Atm both Ukraine and Russia are gonna get pissy with eachother before they go to the talks. Go-in with puffed-up chests to swing their dicks around. Behind the scenes, I imagine connections are already being made.


 No.2875683

>>2861804

Putin is what Putin is. We dont know what he is yet because that will be decided by history and how it turns out. We know he is KGB and the entie ruling apparatus is former KGB. In ten years the world may change and China will be the superpower and Putin will not be in power in Russia but the Russian communist party the second most biggest and in reality most popular party in Russia btw which that so called right wing government didnt shut down at all it's usually the first things the right wing does when it takes power and that party will follow the Chinese model of politics and economic development and the post Soviet 40 or so years will be seen as a sort of colonial occupation of Russia by the imperialists which Putin fought off or something like that


 No.2875892

>>2875885

It's not a revolutionary movement ( neither are the Kurds btw) it's a Russian backed separatist state it's more like the IRA/FLQ/Kurds their ideology is not wanting to be part of Ukraine.


 No.2875900

>>2875885

It's not as transparently evil as the Kurds. They seceded with legitimate complaints and got attacked by Ukraine and Russia intervenes on their side. The Assad government was in a state of war with foreign backed Islamists and the Kurds seceded from the state and immediately Murica who is not like a well meaning party to the conflict moved in with military bases and troops and set up shop on their controlled territory


 No.2875927

File: faf616658f49787⋯.jpg (633.42 KB, 1024x683, 1024:683, dnr.jpg)

Ya s Donbassa. Ukraine was invaded by hordes of pindoses and that is just because WE decided and told so. Now we are in a state of absolute freedom: we can do almost whatever we want. Whole world just sucks a huge dick while we are getting more lend wherever possible.

TOTAL IMPUNITY = spit in any dumb capitalistic pindos face. Punin never hides what he does, he BRAGS about it insted. The same thing is with Crimea. Crimean tatars was called in USSR "churka" they are stupid and noth worth any pity, they also want som spupid world emirate which is pathetic. Long life to Novorosia!


 No.2875941

>>2875885

Because the US Government supported Ukrainian Nazis even publicly taking pictures with them and supporting Reactionaries is okay when it's Fascists.




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