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 No.2865589

1. Is the aftermarket value of art unnecessary?

2. What is the absolute value of art? Its my own personal property that I created and I want to sell it for 1,000,000 because I decided myself that the price of my labor is 1 million an hour. Fair? You don't have to buy it. Is this not socialist in some way?

3. What about aftermarket value? Someone else BUYS the art from me and sells it for higher. It was now there personal property. They sell it higher because it is one of a kind. This seems somewhat like Capitalist labor of value but I think it still applies. How does this work?

How would you sell art under socialism? Can you be an art dealer under socialism or would the capital gained from your personal property be considered surplus value?

 No.2865592

>2. What is the absolute value of art? Its my own personal property that I created and I want to sell it for 1,000,000 because I decided myself that the price of my labor is 1 million an hour. Fair? You don't have to buy it. Is this not socialist in some way?

>3. What about aftermarket value? Someone else BUYS the art from me and sells it for higher. It was now there personal property. They sell it higher because it is one of a kind. This seems somewhat like Capitalist labor of value but I think it still applies. How does this work?

How would they even buy it in socialism from you specifically given that socialism utilizes a personal labour voucher system?


 No.2865608

>>2865592

Does every theory of socialism rely on labor vouchers? I dont think so


 No.2865609

>>2865589

>I decided myself that the price of my labor is 1 million an hour

Under socialism, you don't get to decide the value created by your labour; an hour of one person's labour is, assuming they're both employed in the same sort of "skill band" to account for skill differentials, equal to another.

However, that's not too important given that the Marxist theory of value was only ever meant to apply to reproducible commodities and not one-off pieces of art (think the difference between the original Mona Lisa and mass-produced reprints.) The value of a given piece of art is just that of its components and labour; its market price under capitalism is something completely divorced from that, based on how much a person is individually willing to pay for it based on subjective factors.


 No.2865610

>>2865609

Every artist has different techniques for the things he does so a socialist voucher system would never work. Different product every time. No matter the object.


 No.2865611

>>2865609

You can say an artist does a specific thing and gets X about of money for their labor. Not like making bread in a machine.


 No.2865612


 No.2865613

Who gives a shit. The prognosis is that 25% of working people will lose their jobs to automation in 20 years (look it up). If we don't dump capitalism by then they will all die. Your shitty art really doesn't matter.


 No.2865616

>>2865610

>Ever doctor has different techniques for the patient he treats so a socialist voucher system would never work. Different patient every time. No matter the object.

>Every programmer produces different software for the problem he faces so a socialist voucher system would never work. Different product every time. No matter the object.

>Every industrial engineer produces different assembly line designs for the factory's needs so a socialist voucher system would never work. Different product every time. No matter the object.

>Every barber has different techniques for the hair he cuts so a socialist voucher system would never work. Different product every time. No matter the object.

Socialism can't into skilled labor oh shit guess I'm a capitlaist now.


 No.2865617

>giving a shit about this bullshit

This is why leftism is dead


 No.2865625

>>2865616

Can you have a debate and not sarcasm. Im being serious here this is a question I had thoughts about you dont have to answer anything


 No.2865629

>>2865616

A doctor has specific pieces at his disposal to use for the specific task and everything still requires different levels of labor for specific things. Just because I said a voucher system wouldn't work doesn't mean its not socialist. Not every Socialist theory uses a voucher system. Not every socialist is the same as you are and they are still socialist




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