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 No.2865766

If you truly think about, Marxist-Leninism is the synthesis of multiple bourgeois attempts at creating a honeypot ideology ready and willing to entrap and murder true revolutionary leftists. Hierarchy and the authority resting at the top are ultimately willing to go to any lengths to maintain their position of luxury in a capitalist society. This rhetoric of survival would clearly extend to anyone in a position of authority in any system still involving a state continuing to exist. The abolition of the state is necessary to deconstruct the concept of oppression for all marginalized folk. DialecticaL MATERIALISM be used to arrive to this conclusion if you treat the capitalist state as the thesis and use socialism as the antithesis: the synthesis will be a society in which hierarchy is still existent but those in positions of authority are nicer. This does not solve the issue of authoirity having no accountability. anyways feminism and illegalism are cool lol.

 No.2865771

The state isn't separate from class. You can't "crush" the state, the state is an instrument of class conflict that can only wither away once its no longer needed, it doesn't exist independently of class.


 No.2865773

3/10 i replied


 No.2865824

>>2865766

>bourgeois attempt

>always ends with the destruction of bourgeois society

Are you saying the bourgeoisie are willing to let themselves die so that "hierarchy" can be preserved?

Anarkiddies are getting dumber everyday.


 No.2865839

>If you truly think about it [incoherent bullshit]

yawn


 No.2865855

maybe, but “Abolishing hierarchies” is the ultimate honeypot self-destructive ideology.


 No.2865861

Pannenkoek is a genuine treasure of youtube, I love how he shows how the actual details of that game work.


 No.2865865

>>2865771

Tell me EXACTLY why we wouldn't be able to replace the state with trade unions.


 No.2865880

>If you truly think about, Marxist-Leninism is the synthesis of multiple bourgeois attempts at creating a honeypot ideology

No it's revolutionary aristocracy that attempts to run a rational economy. The difference between a anarchist and an ML is mostly just how to deal with the state, anarchists want to abolish it and MLs want a party to tame the state.

> to entrap and murder true revolutionary leftists.

yes yes da true true of the most true.

Most of the brutality in past ML system comes from the contradiction of trying to defeat capitalism which is a offence oriented system, with a system that is defence oriented. If you picture the soviet Union turning it's Satellites into Social democracies where they can offload their "bourgeois-elements" in a sort of playground, the centre regions could even have had direct democracy without too much interference. And since social democracies still are beholden to serve large capital owner, the centre regions could have acted as that large capital-owner and controlled the peripheral social democracies, basically the same way the bourgeoisie does today. This would have meant that they could have acted economically offensive via puppet-investors in the capitalist world, instead of being isolated. They could have had the overwhelming macroeconomic efficiency superiority of the central planer running a full employment economy, and basically use the peripheral soc-dem mixed-economy as a cheat-sheet for micro-economic efficiency until they had the computer means for cybersyn. The west would have lacked a unifying enemy and as such it would not have been possible to organized Nato as effectively and as such arms racing would have been diminished greatly. Proxy wars would have been a lot less militaristic and more about developmental bribes. Forcing capitalist to invest into uplifting impoverished regions instead of turning them into ruins. By the 1970s when the Keynesian capitalism runs into it's profitability crisis the central planing system gets a efficiency bonus from computer technology and once the neo-liberals open markets, the central planing system can operate as a multinational corporation of epic scale, that can steam-roll any capitalist corporation, causing the neoliberal revolution to fail in it's initial stages.

> This rhetoric of survival would clearly extend to anyone in a position of authority in any system still involving a state continuing to exist. The abolition of the state is necessary to deconstruct the concept of oppression for all marginalized folk.

States are the result of class society, you cannot abolish the state unless you already have abolished class society. If you destroy the state while class society still exists, the state will be reinstated. Usually you have a naive position of trying invert this by saying getting rid of the state will get rid of the class society, obviously this is not true, no matter how many times you cut of the head of the king there will always be a new king. Obviously there also is a nefarious reason to advocate the destruction of the state, and that is if you think you can become the new state that follows the destruction of the old one.

> the synthesis will be a society in which hierarchy is still existent but those in positions of authority are nicer

Nicer authoritarians ? Basically Stalin just lacked manors, or what ?

> This does not solve the issue of authoirity having no accountability.

The point of Authorities are to prevent decision stalemates.

>anyways feminism and illegalism are cool lol.

If lower temperature is of importance than you ought to advocate for cryogenic-ism: freeze the ruling class. Given how much money the cryogenic scam artists can extract by freezing of diseased rich people, one might wonder if illegalism is even relevant any-more, at best it's look-warm, certainly not cool.


 No.2865883

File: 7ce1f2ac284727b⋯.pdf (3.36 MB, Lenin - State and Revoluti….pdf)

>>2865880

>MLs want a party to tame the state

Feel free to actually read Marxist-Leninist theory at any time.


 No.2865889

>>2865865

Eventually trade unions come into contradiction with the state and its aims. As Lenin theorised the state must originally extract a surplus from the work force to industrialise the economy (although this is not true in an already developed industrial economy) essentially as soon as the unions take over they then become their own enemy which will manifest itself as the union leadership being at odds with the union rank and file.


 No.2865951

>>2865766

>DialecticaL MATERIALISM be used to arrive to this conclusion if you treat the capitalist state as the thesis and use socialism as the antithesis: the synthesis will be a society in which hierarchy is still existent but those in positions of authority are nicer.

lmao u almost had me until this




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