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File: 526f6f2bb550c90⋯.png (234.6 KB, 638x923, 638:923, 069769B9-BC55-4137-9E43-29….png)

 No.2866868

ITT

The Female perspective

To the men of this board, what are your opinions on women in a socialist society or during revolution? Should they have any specific role? What's your take on this? Where do you draw your conclusions from?

To the women of this board (Including trans, but more so interested in a cis perspective) how do you wind up here? What type of lefty are you? Are far left spaces like this more or less easy to navigate as a woman than others you have experience in? What do you believe is your role in revolution, if any? In a socialist society?

In general just discuss a women and how they relate to your preferred method of whatever you believe.

 No.2866872

Men here.

I'm okay if you want to hold a gun and you are a woman, and shoot in revolution.

Thanks.


 No.2866881

Anyone who helps in the lynching of the capitalist class is a comrade.


 No.2866889

FEMALE STANDARDS ARE TOO DAMN HIGH


 No.2866891

>To the women of this board (Including trans, but more so interested in a cis perspective)

Hello, radlib. This is an idpol thread. You're a phoneposter too so kys


 No.2866910

pizza rolls not gender roles 🍕🐸☕


 No.2866932

they can ligma


 No.2866934

>>2866868

Boy, I wonder how this thread will look when I wake in 8 hours.


 No.2866935

>>2866932

today, i am going to ask what is ligma??


 No.2866939

woman is the jewish nigger of the world


 No.2866940

File: 571467fa120787e⋯.jpg (24.7 KB, 392x331, 392:331, 1555295497798.jpg)

>>2866935

lig' ma' balls


 No.2866943

>>2866940

what the f i didnot expect that….


 No.2866944

>>2866868

>The Female perspective

🙄

>To the men of this board

🙄🙄

>To the women of this board (Including trans

🙄🙄🙄


 No.2866948

i didn't know any women were on this site.


 No.2866963

Any female that gives blowjobs without prostate stimulation is CANCELLED. I don't know why you whores are so afraid of sticking your pinky in a man's stinky.


 No.2866970

>>2866963

maybe it's the shit smell

maybe they don't like stinking of shit


 No.2866972

>>2866970

Men stick their dicks in women's butts all the time and they don't worry about shit.


 No.2866979

>>2866972

Maybe it's cause THEY don't worry about shit?


 No.2866981

File: 49b1c080717886e⋯.jpg (36.23 KB, 426x640, 213:320, 398274eb9b973508aaf303a3ba….jpg)

>>2866868

As the saying goes, women hold up half the sky.


 No.2866987

>>2866981

And despite what an autist Hoxha was, he was right that anyone who opposes that men and women should be equal, they should be hurled into the fire


 No.2867074

>>2866970

>not having a scat fetish

Cringe tbh


 No.2867079

>>2866948

that is of no great surprise to anyone given the union of scatological shitposters in this thread


 No.2867082

>>2866970

but they like swallowing residual piss


 No.2867093

>>2866868

Women can do whatever they want, fine by me. Man here btw.


 No.2867100

>>2867093

Cuckold detected


 No.2867101

>>2866868

>To the women of this board (Including trans

Nice bait

>To the men of this board, what are your opinions on women in a socialist society or during revolution?

On the question of family and sexes, the Soviet Union got it most right, everyone else are in degrees of wrongness.


 No.2867102

>>2866948

>i didn't know any women were on this site.

About half of namefags of Leftypol were women, if not more.


 No.2867103

File: fd1140d83626fa0⋯.jpg (81.7 KB, 794x1007, 794:1007, fd1140d83626fa09c2046704b7….jpg)

It's up to you to decide what role you will play in the revolution, not mine.


 No.2867149

Class societies have historically portrayed man and woman as in conflict, with the sexes always fighting for dominance in some form or another. Communist society will put an end to this dehumanizing bullshit.

My only advice to anyone here on the subject is to give up on convincing people that are obsessed with gender. Even the racialist hardliners have more communist potential than them. I've frequently spoken to fascists and black nationalists that actually have some radical potential. But the gender warriors are a lost cause. Their worldview is that of a kindergarten, where the primary contradiction in society is that of sex and nothing else matters but trying to prove which side has more cooties than the other. It is impossible to find more ridiculous people on the planet. Do not bother with them.


 No.2867156

>>2866940

damn, nice


 No.2867158

Is me or, lately, the quality of posts and threads on this board has taken a nose dive? Half of the posts, if not more, look like they've been written by 15 years old edgy redditors.

Well, maybe I'm getting too old for this shit.


 No.2867162

>>2867158

I just want to learn.

Please be patient with newfags.


 No.2867163

>>2867158

Of course it's not just you. It's still easier here to find good communists than any other part of the internet, but their numbers have been seriously diminished. This board has about 6-8 months left to start getting it's shit together before it passes the point of no return.

This board hasn't just gotten dumber though. The worst part is how fucking boring it is. OP literally could have just asked "what do you guys think of women?" and the content of his post would have been the exact same. This isn't socialism, there's no room for discussion or debate here. People still post on this board, but they don't talk about anything.


 No.2867165

>>2867158

>lately


 No.2869918

>>2866868

you can do combat, protest, voting, strikes, boycott and everything we men do. and women have a really good singing voice so you can do communist songs.


 No.2869922

If it's not too hard for me to get a girlfriend then women can have literally everything they want.


 No.2869924

>>2866868

>Including trans


 No.2869925

>>2869924

transgender women share common experiences with cisgender women, at least more comprehensively than men.


 No.2869928

>>2866868

Man. I think the problem with assigning a specific role to anyone is that there will ALWAYS be 5-10% who fucking hate that role and rebel endlessly against it. It doesn't matter how much that 90-95% love their assigned role and how natural it feels to them and how productive it makes society as a whole, because that small minority will fuck everything up because they hate it.

Just let people be themselves and plan society around that.


 No.2869930

>>2869928

what are you babbling on about?


 No.2869937

>>2869932

well, in terms of the "female experience", transwomen have a much greater standpoint on it than cismen.

although many terfs say stuff like they can never understand the female experience since they weren't socialised in a female environment and never inherited a female body - i have heard transmen say this type of hysteria is nonsense though and terfs should just get off their high horse.


 No.2869945

>>2869930

OP asked if women should have a specific role. I'm saying that this isn't going to work, because if you try and slot women into a specific role there's going to be a significant percentage that fuck everything up by rebelling against that role.


 No.2869953

>>2866868

>To the men of this board, what are your opinions on women in a socialist society or during revolution?

Fighting and working alongside men (and whatever else doesnt wanna fit in the binary).

>Should they have any specific role?

The only real special role women have, which is not up to any of us to change, is giving birth to children and breastfeeding them. At least, we cant change it yet, perhaps in the future

>What's your take on this? Where do you draw your conclusions from?

Egalitarian ideas + experiences. There is no real difference between what men and women do apart from reproduction.

I would even go a step further than >>2867103 and say that women who double down on traditional gender roles are reactionary and should be eliminated (not in such harsh terms). "Trad" women more so than men, trad men are simple reactionaries who seek dominance, but those women undermine the social position and struggle of women as a whole by validating reactionary views, as well as the fact that many of them either seek an idealised "princess" version of womenhood where all the hard labour women originally did such as the household is now mostly taken care of by mechanised means, or they are dealing with phychological problems that lead them to seek a life of subservience to satisfy self-harming urges and needs resulting of their trauma (daddy issues, self image issues, etc). In the former case, such leeches ought not to be allowed, and those types tend to be the female version of the dominance seeking male, often taking advantage of less secure partners, and in the latter case they ought to be helped rather than indulging in damaging behaviour.

Any person who damages their own interest without good reason is both damaging to the interest of their 'group', other groups, as well as damaging to themselves.


 No.2870126

>>2869932

>>2869937

>>2870003

>>2869924

We already have a containment thread for pro/anti gender crit discussion.

As for women. They hold up half of the sky. Socialism must mend the relations between men and women because I'm tired of sex war shit. Women shouldn't have a specific role in the revolution beyond being revolutionaries just like the men. Hopefully relationships will be better once you take out money concerns out of relationships, making us less alienated from each other. There's ample evidence that this will be the case. DDR sex > FDR sex.


 No.2870127

>>2870126

someone posted a while ago sources on femininists discussing the greatness of east germany for women.


 No.2870147

Women are to give the people's strap to their male comrades.


 No.2870667

>>2866940

Based and Classpilled


 No.2870705

>>2867158

>muh big brain needs stimulation


 No.2870803

>>2867100

lol u mad.


 No.2870902

File: 9c748b791d9e3f5⋯.jpg (34.16 KB, 720x719, 720:719, bro.jpg)

is this a conversation that needs to be had? most dudes even people on the far-right believe in male and female equality.


 No.2870975

Can a girl here confirm or deny this post >>2870159


 No.2871047

File: fc96e662cc0135a⋯.jpg (54.69 KB, 850x400, 17:8, quote-i-can-hear-the-roar-….jpg)

>>2870902

>most dudes even people on the far-right believe in male and female equality

lmao what that is not true at all, the resurgence of fascism and the far right has been inextricably tied to contempt for women and blaming them for alienation and falling rates of relationships and sex. It is one of if not the biggest factor in driving people to the right, especially if you include racial sexual insecurity of "BBC gonna take my wimminz i need a strong white state to protect me from porn stereotypes of black men"

>>2866868

Problems particular to women like sexual assault and abortion should be taken more seriously here. I have literally never met a woman that after getting to know her a bit I have not found out she was groped or assaulted a few times in her life. And Evangelical churches are some of the most awful idpol bourgeois propaganda, violently anti-woman, pouring hundreds of millions into demonizing abortion and birth control which is objectively undermining the proletariat. But a lot of posters here seem to think that opposing right wing identity politics about women or gays or whatever is liberal hysteria despite almost every significant Marxist from Engels to Mao to Sankara promoting a socialist feminism.


 No.2871073

>>2871047

>I have literally never met a woman that after getting to know her a bit I have not found out she was groped or assaulted a few times in her life.

>anadoctal evidence is valid

how far this board has fallen


 No.2871075

>>2871073

>not believing a personal friend


 No.2871077

>>2871073

Do we need to link you to all the studies that confirm this?


 No.2871079

>>2871073

If that really sounds unrealistic to you, you probably dont know many women, or men for that matter. I have lost a few good male friends after it came out they were abusing their gf or had assaulted a girl. It is really common.

>muh anecdotes

Yeah, I'm talking about my personal experience, never suggested otherwise.


 No.2871080

>>2871079

>>2871073

Oh, and look at that you're a Trot, you and the other 6 people in your cult have probably been raped by your crusty old newspaper organizer yourselves.


 No.2871081

>>2871080

you're the cancer killing leftism just so you know.


 No.2871082

>>2871080

the stereotype comes from marxist-leninist parties, actually


 No.2871091

>In general just discuss a women and how they relate to your preferred method of whatever you believe.

I just think they are really pretty.

I hope to see more pretty comrades, but I don't meet many.

My opinion is really limited.

sorry.


 No.2871092

>>2871081

>the cancer killing leftism is acknowledging that women are generally treated poorly

>the cancer killing leftism is making fun of Trots

ok retard

And I actually think that the New Left libertine sex positivity has contributed heavily to sexual assault and manipulation in leftist circles so it's not like any of this is winning me friends among liberals and left-liberals who think that polyamory and nudity are somehow revolutionary


 No.2871095

>>2871092

>M-L is not so secretly a reactionary

just like pottery


 No.2871103

>>2871095

I'm not a M-L tho I don't mind being associated with them at all.

>the 2 possible attitudes towards sexuality are prudish protestant moralism and utopian libertine hypersexuality that ends up preying on impressionable gay teenagers

It is wild that I will be attacked as a liberal redditor half the time here for saying women and gays should be taken seriously as members of the poor and working class that nonetheless have unique problems, and the other half of the time called a reactionary prude for thinking that the way to solve those problems isn't orgies and polycules and attacking monogamy as inherently bad.


 No.2871105

File: feb2301768ba712⋯.jpg (16.14 KB, 178x283, 178:283, f5bd1865ac72ae2d884208a0c2….jpg)

>>2871103

Yes, sperging out about polygamy sexual liberation when it's nothing to do with the topic does make you appear as a reactionary, sorry. And sperging about Trots being rapists makes you appear a salty ultratankist. If that's not how you want to present yourself then consider your posts.


 No.2871110

i want to rape people that use emojis


 No.2871111

>>2871105

The Trot bit was a dumb joke and needlessly provocative I admit but it's not like the poster I was responding to was providing a quality response, just sperging about my acknowledging how common sexual assault of women is. And I mentioned my opinion regarding hypersexuality in the contemporary western left as an example to seperate myself from the left-liberals I assumed I was being associated with.


 No.2871114

>>2871111

>just sperging about my acknowledging how common sexual assault of women is

That’s due to the artificial broadening of the definition of sexual assault. A guy (even if he’s ugly or unattractive) complimenting a girl or winking at her isn’t sexual assault.


 No.2871119

maybe those who brough up the sexual assault should bring up the studies so we can see if they are physical or a wink and compliment like the trot says


 No.2871126

File: 2cc975f741471a4⋯.jpg (430.69 KB, 938x701, 938:701, Rapes_per_1000_people_1973….jpg)

>>2871119

The rates are pretty low. And more importantly, the rate is going down.


 No.2871129


 No.2871131

>>2871114

That is not at all what I am talking about, I am talking about groping at the least and usually pressuring into sex in a situation theyre uncomfortable with. Of fucking course winking is not sexual assault you cretin why would you assume that is what I meant, and it does seem like you're backpedaling since you originally said the problem was that it was anecdotal evidence and now you're saying it's because the definition is too wide?


 No.2871144

>>2871126

Violent crime started going up again after 2008

I wonder if rape is the same.


 No.2871148

Forget tha Man and resonate to ==GOD== (God of Abraham)

Fuck all the rest

Romans 1:27 ==KJV ONLY==

"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."


 No.2871163

>>2871148

lol nigga that's gay


 No.2871174

>>2871172

lie down, poop on my feet


 No.2871180

>>2871172

It's more like 80/20

Take control usually, but also sometimes not.

Up to you to figure out which mood it is.

Don't guess wrong! :)


 No.2871183

File: 122cf23158416cb⋯.jpg (1.25 MB, 1471x1096, 1471:1096, bde4bf15b3965218c9c8d85be3….jpg)

>>2871106

>>2871172

Aren't you the degenerate tranny from before who's highest aspirations were either being a public for-use slut for your future "aryan commune" or to be raped in the streets in the event of failure, both of which you deemed as acceptable?


 No.2871242

>>2866868

>To the women of this board (Including trans, but more so interested in a cis perspective) how do you wind up here?

Cis woman (or some sort of non-binary, haven't resolved that one). An online friend (coincidentally female) introduced me to /leftypol/ in 2014 or 15 when I was a 4chan-lurking "anarcho-socialist".

>What type of lefty are you?

Marxist-Leninist

>Are far left spaces like this more or less easy to navigate as a woman than others you have experience in?

I've been on the left for so long and don't do a whole lot of socializing in general, my frame of reference is pretty pathetic.

The left definitely isn't a shining beacon of gender equality or anything.

30-something wannabe stand-up comedians dating 18 year old girls, leftist women denigrated for exposing and criticizing the foundations of the sex work industry, men being invasively horny in women's DMs or whatever unprompted and then playing the "I'm sorry, I'm trash, I'm trying really hard to get better. I'm in a women's studies class," type bullshit when they get ignored or confronted.

I went to my first march last month and ended up letting a 32 year old man join me for smoothies afterwards. He seemed a little disturbed when he learned there's more than a decade between us but quickly shifted into the "you're so mature" crap, and touched my thigh multiple times when I asked him not to. It was like it was impossible to him for us to simply have a friendly interaction. He might even be lurking now. Hi J.

There's some pressure/expectation for women to be "cool girls", and being "cool" means you think tolerate some misogyny on structural and personal levels. A not insignificant number of men pretty much openly want you to be their equivalent of white conservatives' favorite black Republicans; defanged, bootlicking lackeys. My problem with that is less personal and more that the kind of shit they impose is bad for the working class.

But there are positives. In my little in-person work, qualified women have been recognized and given roles as speakers, leaders, organizers, and afforded the respect you'd expect to be given to men in similar positions. They seem happy and comfortable to be where they are, so I assume their experiences are mostly good. And in terms of theoretical principles, the far left is as good as it gets for gender equality. It's reflected imperfectly, but it is reflected. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

>What do you believe is your role in revolution, if any? In a socialist society?

Same as a man.


 No.2871348

>>2871242

That sounds pretty rough, comrade. I know that this sort of thing tends to happen in general, but I would have hoped that people who were actually on the side that's supposedly for actual gender equality or abolition rather than cheap liberalism would be better. Guess not.

What would help deal with things like this?


 No.2871355

>>2871348

>What would help deal with things like this?

Increased social exposure. You learn acceptable behavior by being socially sanctioned by your peers when you do something others don't like. The 32-year old might have acted creepy on that date, but the way fem-anon rejected him might have acted as the educating social sanction that might prevent him from acting like that in the future (or not, who knows). Also, while it was understandably uncomfortable for femanon, the guy's behavior has immediate negative consequences for himself - being rebuffed, etc.

Trying to just legislate or control social behavior and expecting everyone to act nice as the default setting is to disregard how behavior is shaped in the first place. People need to fuck up and realize that they've fucked up before they correct themselves. In the meantime, you're always going to have retards and creeps, but hopefully, most of them will transition to nice members of society through proper socialization. I guess my point is that there are few political solutions to this very basic social phenomenon.


 No.2871357

In communism I expect a harem of 7/10 white females as reparations for my incel suffering. Comprende?


 No.2871360

>>2871357

It's from each according to ability to each according to need. Are you sure you have the communist virility to handle a harem of white girls at once? If not, that would be inefficient allocation of sexual resources


 No.2871362

File: 23c35639d37972e⋯.jpg (83.17 KB, 966x1139, 966:1139, 23c35639d37972e7bdb7d60362….jpg)

>>2869953

>There is no real difference between what men and women do apart from reproduction.


 No.2871365

>>2866868

>To the men of this board, what are your opinions on women in a socialist society or during revolution? Should they have any specific role? What's your take on this? Where do you draw your conclusions from?

They can come along I guess. Nah not really. Please have sex with me. Apathy towards gender in general


 No.2871386

>>2866963

i'll gladly rim and finger and peg you and do whatever you want to make you moan and shiver anon


 No.2871387

File: c490ca5d424d9d7⋯.jpg (135.4 KB, 1080x1206, 60:67, 1521316641235.jpg)

>what are your opinions on women in a socialist society or during revolution?

I just want to be with this belarusian


 No.2871390

imo women should have more privileges than men in a communist society because they are different and lack behind in many aspects compared to men and because they are a very important element in society being the biggest influence on a person's personality, ideology and behavior.

neolibs tend to sabotage this to shift the focus towards things that serves porky's interests and to create conflict between male and female


 No.2871391

>>2871387

i like how this image is saying to me: "become a leftist and you will get pussy", it is similar to the right-wing propaganda. And of course, white women are used to invoke sexuality rather than blacks.


 No.2871394

File: 3e2840eb310212f⋯.jpg (13.81 KB, 236x236, 1:1, 83406d470939985c1edb766952….jpg)

>>2871390

>privileges

>communist society


 No.2871400

>>2871391

>i like how this image is saying to me: "become a leftist and you will get pussy", it is similar to the right-wing propaganda. And of course, white women are used to invoke sexuality rather than blacks.

I don't use this term lightly or often, but you might just be projecting your own insecurities and paranoia here.


 No.2871404

>>2871400

it is simply a recurrence i have noticed in propaganda, leftists will post pics of attractive communist women (always typically white women in combat attire). The right posts motherly pictures of white women, sometimes with white children.

There is never black representation in leftist propaganda unless it is some politically correct "workers of the world" imclusivity, and even then it feels forced.


 No.2871408

>>2871394

yes a woman shouldn't work while she is pregnant or while rising a child and a woman shouldn't be expected to produce in work as much as men do.

maybe the word privilege was the wrong word to use but yeah


 No.2871409

>>2871355

>bourgeois individualism from a ☭TANKIE☭

Wasn't exactly expecting that but okay.


 No.2871410

>>2871408

will househusbands exist in communism?


 No.2871411

File: 471600904003ea7⋯.jpg (54.86 KB, 986x811, 986:811, spooky_by_capriciouscrow_d….jpg)

>>2866868

Gender is a spook Nerd.

BTFO, don't try to divide the left once again with idpol!


 No.2871412

>>2871411

define "spook" for me then, big brain.


 No.2871419

File: 7b5b27a0cbf87eb⋯.jpg (153.01 KB, 680x1020, 2:3, 6565464521d.jpg)

>>2871410

probably. unless asexual genetic engineered reproduction becomes a reality


 No.2871421

>>2871404

>There is never black representation in leftist propaganda unless it is some politically correct "workers of the world" inclusivity, and even then it feels forced.

Most communist propaganda is from USSR/ex-USSR countries. When posting woman, anons are going to post woman from those countries. While you may not like it, most of the people in those countries are not black. Now if the discussion is regarding other socialist/ex-socialist countries, I've seen anons post pictures of woman from China to the middle east to abroad (yes, even Africa) before. But what most people are going to post are areas which were part of the Eastern Bloc or China, because those are the most notable.


 No.2871424

File: fcec7d40a15a515⋯.png (1.26 MB, 1024x1228, 256:307, 266186493028211.png)

>>2871412

Ah, I see you are not really familiar with Max Stirner?

A spook is an idea, made up by man, that has no real existence in the material world. It are concepts that we consider as almost something sacred that we are supposed to obey and can't criticise, just like gender norms, mankind, the state, god, nation, country.

We serve these idea's because we consider them as a higher cause and if we do that we are doing "good" too "mankind, our nation, etc." and think that we behave altruistically.


 No.2871427

>>2871424

i read max stirner a while ago, I was just wondering if you could personally give a definition, because a lot of people on here just throw around the word "spook" where it does not apply.

Also, i reject the primary category of a spook since it typically skips the material analysis which is necessary before deeming spookiness.

Look at the example of your comment, you call gender a spook without justification; not to say it isn't a spook, but clarification is required.


 No.2871434

>>2871400

But that comment was actually pretty smart. It's true that there is some kind of stupid idea roaming around that relates masculinity with leftism. I've seen it IRL, specially amoung the youngsters. They somehow think that being a cool marxist guy will get them all the pussies. I believe it must be in part a stupid stereotype fueled by MSM media, Netflix and other types of shitty SJW's cultural expressions.


 No.2871439

File: 2a6f18dc89a0aae⋯.png (164.9 KB, 550x550, 1:1, ap,550x550,12x12,1,transpa….png)

>>2871434

my gott, it is the same ridiculous ideology which produces these absurd images!


 No.2871444

File: 210e4ccc2264eb6⋯.jpg (119.58 KB, 698x960, 349:480, 1518406983360.jpg)

>>2871180

>Don't guess wrong! :)

That’s hard though. i can’t read minds.

>>2871357

No harems, but you won’t be lonely under socialism.


 No.2871445

File: 6cf69f2fbcd0986⋯.jpg (105.14 KB, 842x550, 421:275, bppcathleenclever.jpg)

>>2871404

> leftists will post pics of attractive communist women (always typically white women in combat attire)

t. never been in a black panther or maoist thread on leftypol


 No.2871446

File: 9a0a12f2ea764fb⋯.png (2.92 MB, 2040x1452, 170:121, 1524516890402-0.png)

>>2871444

corbyn has gone full nazbol


 No.2871447

>>2871445

>black panther and moaist threads

t. nostalgia junkie


 No.2871455

File: 5fa4ecca545ede0⋯.jpg (61.96 KB, 718x718, 1:1, Dasha Nekrasova (10).jpg)

>>2871444

>No harems, but you won’t be lonely under socialism.

This is correct theory and contrary to the liberalist notion of how individualist "freedom" triumphs all. For everyone with a harem there are legions of those with nobody, the former will always lead to the latter.

>tfw you will never wake up and see this


 No.2871458

>>2871455

not everybody deserves love


 No.2871460

>>2871458

Not everybody deserves to live. The fact is that currently the most sociopathic receive the most affection, how do you consolidate that with your bourgeois moralism?


 No.2871462

File: b27f3f5e0e07bd3⋯.jpg (84.11 KB, 640x628, 160:157, ea1f67f31f2d011472cd9b5705….jpg)

>>2871447

Nostalgic for strong left-wing minority group movements?

Guilty, I guess.

I wish there were more of them.


 No.2871463

>>2871460

the material conditions are as such in the first world that most people engage i bourgeois moralism.


 No.2871465

>>2871462

we must disregard the past and think about the future and so on, material analysis of contemporary capitalism is more relevant than aspiring towards failed movements.


 No.2871501

>>2871455

>For everyone with a harem there are legions of those with nobody, the former will always lead to the latter.

Only if the harem is exclusive. There's no reason it has to be like that either, though.


 No.2871506


 No.2871507

>All these small brained autistic faggots who don't want pansexual orgies under full,communism because their imaginations are so grey and tiny their vision of something like that has been colored by the people who shill for that type of shit under neoliberalism and are reasonably disgusted

How tragic


 No.2871509

Why would you designate roles based on gender? Put people in roles that they want and demonstrate competence at.


 No.2871511

>>2871509

This, tbh. Little need for identity politics if you just adhere to a strict sense of meritocratic principles. It's also much more likely to be considered 'fair', as the eternal right-wing meme of "muh meritocratic capitalism" should tell us.

So many leftists let themselves fall into completely illogical traps under the influence of mainstream liberalism.


 No.2871518

>>2871501

>Only if the harem is exclusive

That is the idea of a harem though, something "unexclusive" would be more like orgies with roughly similar participation of everybody, but those are not typical ways the masses mate when left to their own devices, (soft-)harems describe the patterns more accurately.


 No.2871528

>>2871242

>men being invasively horny in women's DMs or whatever unprompted and then playing the "I'm sorry, I'm trash, I'm trying really hard to get better. I'm in a women's studies class," type bullshit when they get ignored or confronted.

I've seen so much of this shit from radlibs especially (tho im sure plenty of legit leftists do the same). Knew a guy that abused his girlfriend, confronted him about it, he just acted like a sadboy and said he "believed that that was her reality, but it wasn't his."


 No.2871531

>>2871518

>but those are not typical ways the masses mate when left to their own devices, (soft-)harems describe the patterns more accurately.

But is that because of innate human nature, or because of the way the economic base reproduces itself in the superstructure? Because people are not actually "left to their own devices" and they never have been at any point in history. They are always being acted upon by the material conditions. Under different conditions, different relationships would emerge.


 No.2871532

File: 64e8f596d7704fe⋯.jpg (74.98 KB, 300x360, 5:6, enjoyingaglisteningfruittr….jpg)

>>2871511

>meritocracy

>principles


 No.2871536

File: 8db1c204879929e⋯.gif (1.81 MB, 176x144, 11:9, funnypostonv.gif)

>>2871518

>those are not typical ways the masses mate when left to their own devices

Pretty much all of history disagrees with you.


 No.2871539

File: 8e10e57ae9c9e23⋯.jpg (217.52 KB, 1206x1024, 603:512, berlin1945.jpg)

>>2871532

>nazi flag

>no argument


 No.2871542

>>2871539

>tankie

>worth arguing with


 No.2871544

File: b19f375baf186e4⋯.jpg (62.65 KB, 572x340, 143:85, 1.jpg)

>>2871531

>But is that because of innate human nature

Yes, because other mammals act that way too. of course human civilization can influence it by mitigating or strengthening those tendencies and I am not an anarchist.

>>2871536

Source?


 No.2871545

File: fcec7d40a15a515⋯.png (1.26 MB, 1024x1228, 256:307, 266186493028211.png)

>>2871427

I am also pretty new to Stirnerism, read his book though, but still really have to process and read some other works (the new translation for instance) and interpretations.

Alright, yeah maybe the material analysis is indeed mostly skipped. But i was referring to the individual as the material starting point (I can be wrong)

How about:

Gender is a spook because, normally the basis for most abstractions/ideas are the individual. But whenever the abstraction becomes separated from the individual and something "in itself", like 'human nature' then Stirner considers the abstraction a spook.

I think that gender was associated with the material trait sex, we eventually added arbitrary traits to sex (like behaviour, clothing style, roles) and called it gender 'identity' which is now something completely separate from the individual, it doesn't 'project itself out-of the individual, but 'projects' itself on the individual, thus became a spook.

How would you define a spook?


 No.2871549

>>2871545

Is "spook" itself a spook?


 No.2871552

>>2871544

>Yes, because other mammals act that way too.

Bonobos tell me you're wrong.


 No.2871553

File: 1553d3c025b557b⋯.png (321.34 KB, 373x373, 1:1, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.2871556

File: ea9467b84831d28⋯.jpg (19.71 KB, 500x313, 500:313, come_on_now.jpg)

>>2871552

Male reproductive skew is higher in bonobos than chimpanzees

>Male reproductive skew was higher in bonobos than chimpanzees because high-ranking bonobo males more effectively monopolized reproduction. The average standardized dominance ranks of sires was higher in bonobos (0.81) than in four out of five chimpanzee communities (mean = 0.77, range = 0.65–0.91).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5568700/


 No.2871557

File: 97456b2d48e9448⋯.jpg (83.96 KB, 660x439, 660:439, chexf3fh.jpg)

>>2871545

i believe that the "individual" itself is a problematic abstraction, many existentialists and scientists and so on find complications in this category of self, so to categorise it in such concrete terms seems reductionist of it's entire content, which is why it's easier to generally understand humans from a collective standpoint. And further, an individual is not individual, it is constructed from billions of cells and has genetic and social connections to other animals and plants and so on.

I would say that a spook is something which is erroneously deemed to be of importance greater than self-interest (in the stirnerest sense). The most substance i got from stirner was his anti-property stance.


 No.2871561

>>2871557

Agreed, we need to get rid of individualism. There is a reason why it gets shilled even harder than identity politics, it is integral in preventing class consciousness and solidarity.


 No.2871562

>>2871561

daily reminder that new age religion is a CIA plot


 No.2871610

>>2871556

>If not an effect of the numbers of competing males or simultaneously receptive females, how did high-ranking males more effectively monopolize reproduction in bonobos than chimpanzees? One possibility is that higher levels of male aggression in chimpanzees actually decrease reproductive skew. Although rank and sexual coercion are positively correlated in male chimpanzees, coercion by low-ranking males may also result in paternities that are unavailable for low-ranking bonobos.

Sounds familiar.

Incels truly are a product of civilization. Without rape, male reproductive skew goes up.


 No.2871621

File: 986d4a23fdf44a3⋯.jpg (131.79 KB, 640x640, 1:1, nature.jpg)

>>2871610

There is also this part which pretty much describes current feminist society:

>Within-group infanticide also appears to be absent in bonobos. The need to confuse paternity through promiscuous mating may thus lower for female bonobos. Rather, the low levels of sexual coercion and the comparatively higher dominance of female bonobos may allow them to selectively mate with high-ranking males during periods when they are likely to conceive, thereby gaining ‘good genes’ or some other benefits.

Maybe I was wrong to want to advance civilization to higher stage - socialism.


 No.2871626

File: 1a63d9e987bad3f⋯.png (176.48 KB, 501x497, 501:497, 1518795732794.png)

>>2871621

Well there's always the other option. You join the alpha male's harem as one of HIS mates.


 No.2871630

The resolution of the dialectic will only be fulfilled when we build a network of transient self sustaining intergalactic servers which host our uploaded consciousnesses on a digital space internet and in cyberspace notions of gender and reporosuction become unnecessary and optional so who cares


 No.2871636

>>2871621

>literally wanting sexual relations to work like bonobos

Apes > bonobos

>>2871626

>literally being a gay cuck

>polygamy

The liberalism is strong.


 No.2871639

>>2871636

Imagine thinking that being a permavirgin is preferable to being the beta femboi in an alpha's harem.


 No.2871640

>>2871639

not all of us can be beta fembois

stop tryna flex on a nigga


 No.2871642

File: 198882a910834ba⋯.jpg (7.76 KB, 626x128, 313:64, god i wish that were me.jpg)

>>2871639

>being the beta femboi in an alpha's harem


 No.2871644

File: d0de36a211ded3f⋯.jpg (33.79 KB, 736x550, 368:275, envy.jpg)

>>2871626

I unironically believe that that is the reason for the rise of trannies, especially since almost all of them are MtF and not the other way around. Unfortunately I'm not pretty enough.

>>2871636

What I want is a totalitarian surveillance state with a government-mandated gf and enforced monogamy.

>>2871639

But why should Chad get so much more than I and IN ADDTION me. This is unfair, I want absolute equality.


 No.2871645

>>2871644

the trans population is pretty balanced

mtfs just like attention the most


 No.2871651

File: 9109cdc1fce1845⋯.jpg (58.67 KB, 673x709, 673:709, maxillary_protrusion.jpg)

>>2871645

Seems to be like 75%, not as extreme as I thought but not balanced either

https://tgmentalhealth.com/tag/prevalence/

Still I will never have facial bones like her which would me good looking.


 No.2871652

>>2871651

but this is a strange idea: that if you had the ability to "pass", you would transition?


 No.2871653

File: 4a5de7ded038df4⋯.jpg (89.97 KB, 1080x1097, 1080:1097, b758703c4c00e97803a6cf76ad….jpg)

>>2871652

If I could be this cute I would in heartbeat, but realistically I would already look decent as a male and probably not really need it.


 No.2871654

>>2871653

>but realistically I would already look decent as a male and probably not really need it.

I don't understand this logic, did you only start transitioning because you were sexually unsuccessful or unattractive as a man? I know a lot of transgender people only came into being through porn.


 No.2871657

File: 9ab4bd949af5ac6⋯.jpg (48.18 KB, 827x459, 827:459, 1551249823027.jpg)

>>2871654

What? I'm not transgender. Being unattractive as a man is what makes me sexually unsuccessful. Attractive features are actually mostly attractive on both genders so some pretty boy would also look good as a female but some ugly genetic dead end would not look good as a female either. I'd prefer to be androgynous as it is universally appealing.


 No.2871658

>>2871653

>>2871654

i find this notion interesting, of a radical navigation through signifiers of attractiveness to sexually succeed. I guess freud was correct when he inferred that everything is related to sex.


 No.2871659

>>2871657

you know, i really hate the arrogance attractive mtfs have.


 No.2871662

>>2871658

It probably is, it's similar as to how financially well-off people think "money is not that important", but only those who are genuinely deprived can comprehend the suffering that this lack entails.

>>2871659

Me too, especially if they already had plenty of romance/sex before transitioning, which makes contrapoints insufferable.


 No.2871663

>>2871458

Yeah, people like you don’t deserve love. The rest of us do.

>>2871501

Harems are inherently exclusive by deffiniton. And a fully poly society would lead to jealousy as guys would not know if their kids were related to them or not.

>>2871507

Monogamy is the only way of organizing relationships to ensure total equality.

>>2871626

>>2871639

This is incompatible with egalitarianism.

>>2871626

Go fuck yourself Porky, your hierarchy will come to an end. You will be hanged.


 No.2871664

>>2871663

love is not logical phenomena

it cannot be deserved in this case


 No.2871666

>>2871662

that's why my ego longs to meet a shy humble transgirl so i can treat her well. in this sickening way, i almost want a pet.


 No.2871667

File: 596d1d26ffd8dec⋯.jpg (72.9 KB, 620x399, 620:399, MussoliniHanged.jpg)

Pic related is chad in ten years. Being a chad is literal fascism.

>>2871664

love is a human right


 No.2871668

>>2871666

>in this sickening way, i almost want a pet.

t womanizer


 No.2871669

File: d1d3ae568fe0258⋯.jpg (107.52 KB, 1080x1349, 1080:1349, dash_cam - BGPkxD7Jf_j.jpg)

>>2871663

based trot


 No.2871670

>>2871667

yes, i do not wish to exclude people from love, but the fact that not everybody has love means something in the essence of the experience. I do not blame people, then as such, but attribute mysterious properties to love, and in an idealistic sense - love will come to you, and will have to be deserved.


 No.2871672

>>2871668

yes, it is true that i do not respect women. perhaps it is my fragile masculinity. I can be very cruel to my mother, there is a lot of resentment there.


 No.2871675

File: f35703cdb55fea0⋯.jpg (53.8 KB, 500x465, 100:93, Vasili_Blokhin_3.jpg)

>>2871670

You are evidence to the contrary, as you are undeserving yet receive love. You just-world shit is not going to fly around here.

>>2871672

<bullies are the REAL victims

You'll get the treatment fascists deserve.


 No.2871681

File: 90c5d8a23d35336⋯.jpg (30.54 KB, 450x437, 450:437, 1514832909006.jpg)

>>2871675

here, you take a moral stance to say that i do not deserve love, this is probably true - and so in this admission i find myself unable to reconcile with such an irrational justice other than to accept it's chaos - such as the old gods were understood. This perspective is not to say that I even agree with the curses and favours of the gods, i wish for the world to be a better place for everybody and i certainly do not confuse this cruelty with a divine justice, as it is also known, the gods are as imperfect as ourselves - and are only protected in their geography on top of mt Olympus.

there was also this archaic idea that if you fuck a man in his anus, then you would inturn absorb his power, symbolically and physically, so when we all reach the top of the mountain, we will all rape Zeus in his ass, and so on and so on.


 No.2871705

File: 483b62a6e6e6967⋯.png (220.07 KB, 720x654, 120:109, 20190421_231357.png)

File: d4df046b69f620d⋯.png (341.8 KB, 720x874, 360:437, 20190421_231323.png)


 No.2871709

>>2871657

i feel it anon.

I only want to be a cute and asexual trannie (mtf). The cause of this recurrent fantasy must be my misogyny and inceldom. Being an Incel, I am practically a non-male. So sometimes it feels as if the natural way it is to embrace my non-masculinity and become a cute trannie. Fortunately, I believe I have that soft face needed to have the proper looks. Some hormones and new clothes would do the rest.


 No.2871710

Stop becoming trannies.


 No.2871717


 No.2871719

>>2871709

perhaps it is your lack of contact with the femoid species which cause this lust for direct physical Integration in the assumption of a feminine form - as to "become the gf" as i have heard it transcribed.


 No.2871724

>>2871709

>I only want to be a cute and asexual trannie (mtf).

No, you don't. You just want to obtain a certain aesthetic and then conflate that with being "non-male". See >>2863479


 No.2871739

>>2871724

it is true that I don't really want to be a female. I enjoy being a man, and I enjoy the "privileges" that come with that. But I don't want to be a trannie solely because I like feminine clothes. It's a little bit more complex. You are right in pointing out that gender does not have a material basis, and that it is sometimes internalized as an essence. But the essence of a gender is not to wear "certain clothes" or an aesthetic. It is also that, but that's not the core. The core is a "masculine essence" summed up in the figure of a Chad.

Being an Incel, I do not attain to such figure. I am not a chad. So the most natural to me is playing to be a female. So the aesthetics come later. First, it is the trauma of being a non-male because of having internalized genders as rigid essences.

>>2871719

this is quite accurate, also. Becoming a girl is the closest I can get to being with a girl. The curious part is that being a trannie is, at least to me (and I think that this applies to a lot of people, that's why I'm saying it in first instance), being a "cute" (read: asexual) girl. Have you ever noticed how internet trannies are something like cute and childish anime girls? They are not the slut girls.


 No.2871746

>>2871739

>cute anime girls

this is the tragedy of this type of vanity

one day they will get old and ugly like all of us.

i must say though that i appreciate more "dignified" transwomen in their essence like https://youtu.be/yP5by3_r4Gk

perhaps not in their personal beliefs, but in their truth of gender identity.


 No.2871759

>>2871746

it definitely feels much more genuine than the usual mtf.

The other thing is a stupid game actually rooted in misogyny and the precariousness of life and identity in late capitalism. What's worse is that this "performance" it's celebrated by dumb LGTBQ and SJW's liberals. But I guess that was to be expected. When identities and genders become performances, they become merchandises (I know I'm saying the basic stuff), and they don't feel genuine or human. They are grotesque. And you could also relate the vanity and fetish with looking like a 16 yr old girl with that same causes.


 No.2871765

>>2871759

i don't know if it causal of mysogyny, but it definitely has links to homosexuality - not to insult anybody, but before most mtfs transition, large majority identify as gay men.

maybe this is why i like transbians, because the 'heterosexual' transwoman seems a bit derivative of a gay man's expression. perhaps this is my homophobia. i do not know for certain.


 No.2871776

File: 5a1d004a4602073⋯.jpg (52.27 KB, 575x820, 115:164, 1055168986227400705_DqS2mO….jpg)

>>2871746

The denouncement as vanity undermines the reality that being hot is the precondition to have basic human needs satisfied. Ageing is a terrible prospect, but the undesirables will face this at least as much as the beautiful, however without ever having had their experiences of being desire, hugged, kissed and fucked. What value is there in such an existence? Abortion would have been the humane option.


 No.2871784

File: 324d1cfefe99678⋯.jpg (10.52 KB, 250x240, 25:24, 324.jpg)

>>2871776

you know, you just made a startling point i never truly considered:

>being hot is a precondition for survival and happiness

now, i see a greater dimension of horror in the subjectivity of the feminine species, especially including transwomen, and of it's interaction with society.

contrapoints would be nowhere near where she is without her looks and so forth. Again, truth and socio-sexual discourse have become blurred in their substance, goddammit!! objectivity is a lie!


 No.2871786

File: 05ca4c6f6e0a940⋯.jpg (69.52 KB, 550x389, 550:389, 05ca4c6f6e0a9400d669cc86c9….jpg)

>>2871709

>>2871739

What’s wrong with simply being a twink?


 No.2871797

>>2871786

Twinks will be used as meat shields during the revolution.


 No.2871798

This thread just highlights the insanity of tranny ideology, this shit will be outlawed in any humane society. This is what porn does to people.


 No.2871799

>>2871776

Also that "girl" looks like a tranny herself. So I guess that's why trannies flock to her.


 No.2871801

>>2871798

Undoubtedly based and indisputably redpilled.


 No.2871803

>>2871657

>Attractive features are actually mostly attractive on both genders

Also this is fucking bullshit, I think what you meant is "an attractive person would have been attractive as the other gender because superior genes yadda yadda". If you didn't, then that is patently false - read up on sexual dimorphism and realize what men find attractive in women is WILDLY different to what women find attractive in men.

For instance, a man does not want a woman with a large skull, large jaw, masculine brow ridge and a large skeletal frame. However a woman would want that in a man.


 No.2871804

File: 575c5fb6bdd36e2⋯.jpg (74.34 KB, 640x640, 1:1, dash_cam - 1G3L8vJf29.jpg)

>>2871799

It is an image of divinity, the closest I will ever get. How can be so close to it and yet unable to ever reach her?


 No.2871807

>>2871804

First you need to understand that the life of women is more than sex. Which is a very small presentige of time spent. Most of women’s lives, like with men, are spent wagecucking away. Transitioning will not change this, as such it won’t significantly improve your life. The only thing that can is revolution.


 No.2871809

>>2871803

Massive cope. Sexual dimorphism is a signifier of primitivity and old age, while androgyny embodies primordial perfection by retaining a higher degree of neoteny and being more common in the advanced species.


 No.2871810

>>2871809

Well I can see why you're incel. Enjoy looking like a limp wristed creature, sure that's what makes all the girls swoon.


 No.2871813

>>2871809

> Sexual dimorphism is a signifier of primitivity and old age, while androgyny embodies primordial perfection by retaining a higher degree of neoteny and being more common in the advanced species.

Is this written in occult tranny manuals?


 No.2871820

>>2871807

>the life of women is more than sex.

But that is "only" the peak if human existence, but the attractiveness that enables it has pervasive influence on everyday life, directly so wherever you interact with other humans. There is plenty of literature that reveals the preferential treatment the good looking receive and how they are perceived to be more kind, intelligent, competent etc.

>Transitioning will not change

Why does everyone think that I am?

>The only thing that can is revolution.

It will never be enough.

>>2871810

True insight will always remain elusive to brutes like you.


 No.2871822

File: a60bb43b2ea8e44⋯.jpg (46.41 KB, 600x800, 3:4, girls_hate_him.jpg)


 No.2871825

Fucking lmao at being a twink. What are you going to do? Prostitute your anus to the oligarchs to overthrow the bourgeoisie?


 No.2871830

I like how this thread got one or two non retarded answers which basically boil down to "whatever the fuck they want" and got derailed into absolute incelposting retardation.

Good job, leftypol. Absolutely amazing impression to women.

Also if you currently don't deserve love under hellhole capitalism, probably much less under comunism, change my mind.


 No.2871838

File: 2a0dae03b00c6ec⋯.jpg (58.28 KB, 800x600, 4:3, serveimage.jpg)

2871830

We don't care what a white knight thinks. Piss off back to reddit.


 No.2871842

>>2871825

What are YOU going to do? Fuck the fascism out of Alessandra Mussolini?

Fact is that sex is not a revolutionary act. It's just a way to get your dick wet. Aside from jealously, why hate on twinks?


 No.2871845

>>2871842

>Fact is that sex is not a revolutionary act.

>he doesn't know


 No.2871846

File: 4ebe13ac02440b9⋯.png (168.86 KB, 319x310, 319:310, bad.png)

>being ugly is equivalent to being a dying lumpenprole

Just go to the gym lol


 No.2871849

>>2871830

>>2871830

>transsexuals should do whatever they want, including doctor-assisted mutilation

<anorexics should dobwhatever they want, including getting liposuction and going on diets

>anything else is incel bullshit and you're making womyn feel bad >:(

Liberal detected. Hillary stole the election from bernie and lost. How does that make you feel?

Bad news, seens like a womyn won't be the frontrunner in this year's election either.

>>>/liberalpol/

>>>/reddit/

>>>/gulag/


 No.2871860

>>2871849

I cannot imagine being this retarded


 No.2871869

>>2871830

>hurr incels are mean to woman

go back to tumblr


 No.2871871

File: 91b70628838d422⋯.png (41.22 KB, 500x514, 250:257, liberal_porky.png)

>>2871846

this is a VERY problematic post


 No.2871873

File: 4896af48ed4ab8d⋯.jpg (28.41 KB, 640x380, 32:19, 304d4c92dcb99fa18092156af8….jpg)

>>2871809

>>2871810

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

>>2871820

Shut up Freud. Life is more than sex. Sex is only a tiny part of life. Only sex addicts will disagree.

>>2871820

> the attractiveness that enables it has pervasive influence on everyday life, directly so wherever you interact with other humans.

Friendship isn’t about sex. Work isn’t about sex. Eating isn’t about sex. Sleep isn’t about sex. Exorcise isn’t about sex. The only thing that is about sex is sex.

>>2871820

>There is plenty of literature that reveals the preferential treatment the good looking receive and how they are perceived to be more kind, intelligent, competent etc.

This is more about ascetic than sex.

>>2871830

>/leftypol/ is a sexist sausage fest

This is just imageboards in general, not just /leftypol/

>>2871830

>Also if you currently don't deserve love under hellhole capitalism, probably much less under comunism, change my mind.

Their won’t be alinieation under Communism, thus freeing people to have more genuine relationships with each other, both in romance and friendship. Also goldiggers will cease to exist once money is abolished.

>>2871845

Their is nothing revolutionary about sex. This is because their is nothing revolutionary about the actions of individuals. Because individuals never cause or create revolutions. Only the material forces of history. This is Marxism 101.


 No.2871875

>>2871644

>I want absolute equality.

>>2871663

>This is incompatible with egalitarianism.

Egalitarianism and absolute equality are idealist. They can't actually exist in the real world without massive intervention in people's lives.

Just let nature take its course and become a submissive buttslut.


 No.2871878

>>2871873

>Their won’t be alinieation under Communism, thus freeing people to have more genuine relationships with each other, both in romance and friendship. Also goldiggers will cease to exist once money is abolished.

This is a very good respons and post in general but I wonder if the very same incel retards in this thread doing what I was complaining about (derailing the thread) realize that they'll probably still be social outcasts with no gf under communism and probably even more so, since alienation might not exist anymore or increase among the population but there still will be a contingent of already terminally alienated people who will still be unable to cope with it


 No.2871880

>>2871878

"""contingent alienation"""

because incels and late capitalism are independent phenomena with no relation whatsoever

>>2871759

>>2871739

it was literally linking inceldom with capitalism. So, no, people is not complaining about ">tfw no gf", it's actually analyzing the material conditions under which inceldom becomes an identity, something that had not happened before


 No.2871884

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>>2871875

>They can't actually exist in the real world without massive intervention in people's lives.

Neither can socialism. You sound like a liberal that wants individual "freedom" to exist so that you can keep your position of material privilege.


 No.2871889

>>2871880

Just because they might be related in causation doesn't mean that after capitalism all incels will suddenly lose their extreme alienation and become functioning well adjusted members of society, chances are nothing will change for them in that regard.

Also I don't see how >>2871759 >>2871739 mention any worthwhile analysis of material conditions, just some basic obvious shit about how trans identity has become a merchandise, which might be true, but doesn't change the fact that inceldom, social pariahs, ugly fucks and generally asocial people who don't deserve love will still exist even under the best case scenario of worldwide communist semi utopia at least until the last generation of sick fucks who lived through capitalist hell die off


 No.2871892

>>2871884

???

>socialism = equality of outcome meme

You sound like what right-wingers think leftists are


 No.2871899

File: de941b8113b4f16⋯.jpg (276.99 KB, 1200x900, 4:3, Object279.jpg)

>>2871875

>They can't actually exist in the real world without massive intervention in people's lives.

This is true for Capitalism, and Feudalism, and the Soviet Model, and for the future World Socialist Republic. Obviously pure egalitarianism is untenible, but the creation of a society that is “close enough” isn’t. And in that society that is “close enough” their will be no sexual hierarchy.

>>2871875

>Just let nature take its course and become a submissive buttslut.

This is the social equivalent of telling prols to just continue wagecucking.

>>2871878

>there still will be a contingent of already terminally alienated people who will still be unable to cope with it

If someone has social problems under Communism the solution will be therapy. Also Incels didn’t exist in the Eastern Block, hell they didn’t exist until this decade. The Incel phenomena are a symptom of late capitalist alienation. It won’t exist under Socialism, because the conditions that caused it won’t be there.

>>2871892

No one is arguing for equality of outcome. Just the creation of a more egalitarian and emancipatory society.

>>2871889

>chances are nothing will change for them in that regard.

If the conditions that cause a phenomena to exist are removed, that phenomena will cease to exist.


 No.2871901

>>2871892

>I can freely make a voluntary contract with this man to do this for me while I recompense him

Ydon't interfere in our private life


 No.2871905

>>2871901

>I can freely make a voluntary contract with this man to do this for me while I recompense him

What exactly do you mean by "voluntary contract" here?


 No.2871907

>>2871905

>Natural Harmony of Interests. Libertarians believe that there is a natural harmony of interests among peaceful, productive people in a just society. One person’s individual plans — which may involve getting a job, starting a business, buying a house, and so on — may conflict with the plans of others, so the market makes many of us change our plans. But we all prosper from the operation of the free market, and there are no necessary conflicts between farmers and merchants, manufacturers and importers. Only when government begins to hand out rewards on the basis of political pressure do we find ourselves involved in group conflict, pushed to organize and contend with other groups for a piece of political power.


 No.2871912

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 No.2871916

>>2871907

>s. But we all prosper from the operation of the free market, and there are no necessary conflicts between farmers and merchants, manufacturers and importers

How naive are these people?


 No.2871918

>>2871916

I think it's malevolence and not ignorance. At least for the propagandists.


 No.2871931

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>>2871907

>natural harmony of interests among peaceful, productive people in a just society

>But we all prosper from the operation of the free market, and there are no necessary conflicts between farmers and merchants, manufacturers and importers.

Holy shit this idealism

>Only when government begins to hand out rewards on the basis of political pressure do we find ourselves involved in group conflict, pushed to organize and contend with other groups for a piece of political power.

First, how would this also not be the case for individuals contending between each other for influence and power within a market. Second, you can't just remove politics from the market. They are not separate, and "free voluntary exchange" only exists up to the point of business owners, working within their own self-interest, taking control the market and/or influencing it. With little government, the largest companies and enterprises simply utilize their power and influence to easily lobby within and control it, then use that government to its advantage in the market. With a large capitalist government the process is the same, with it simply being the end result of a previously small one.


 No.2871935

>>2871899

>This is the social equivalent of telling prols to just continue wagecucking.

Except the solution to wage cucking is to expropriate the expropriators and seizing the means of production.

Applying that solution to sex is rape.

<sees you're a trot

oh wait it all makes sense now


 No.2871970

File: 03502500488484a⋯.pdf (4.77 MB, What-is-Sex-.pdf)

>>2871873

>Friendship isn’t about sex. Work isn’t about sex. Eating isn’t about sex. Sleep isn’t about sex. Exorcise isn’t about sex. The only thing that is about sex is sex.

The claim psychoanalysis claims isn't that there's a "sexual dimension" to all human endeavors, but rather that human endeavor is itself marked by a certain lack, a lack that constitutes the sexual in itself. This lack creates an epistemological limit, the fundamental root of moral issues concerning what is known as "sexuality", sexuality in this case being the covering up of this lack (or non-relation if you will) via naturalization of a narrative (whether it is rooted in sexual liberalism or religious fundamentalism).

It is not a reduction of everything to it's sexual components, it's a reduction of sex to the inherent incompleteness of reality and sho on and sho on.


 No.2871976

>>2871970

>The claim psychoanalysis claims

excuse me for my insomnia-induced retardation


 No.2872156

File: 9747f3c3ee60cfa⋯.jpeg (42.72 KB, 500x313, 500:313, 2CCF1063-8334-4D94-8A71-4….jpeg)

this thread tanked lol

I liked where this whole post was going in my head before I started more than what I actually wrote. Forgive me for being a phoneposting insomniac.

>>2871348

>I know that this sort of thing tends to happen in general, but I would have hoped that people who were actually on the side that's supposedly for actual gender equality or abolition rather than cheap liberalism would be better. Guess not.

Yeah. If you're not someone who would be on the receiving end of it, it's easy to assume it's rare.

>What would help deal with things like this?

Options are limited short of revolution yet nonetheless necessary.

One of our top priorities as leftists is attracting workers. Remove as many barriers to entry as you sensibly can. We can't afford to let women leave parties, not return to meetings or demonstrations, blow off or avoid us, etc due to other people's bad behavior. That goes for everybody not just women but specific things will turn women off that don't apply as much to men.

It's not about what you mean to say but what other people hear.

* Dismissing identity politics in entirety tells women you don't care about the hardships they face, and wastes opportunities to meaningfully engage with someone buzzing with unrealized revolutionary potential. Discussions about dimensions of capitalism you may not personally experience are worthwhile so long as they're correctly focused. When a woman attacks misogyny, don't hear it as an attack on Men but an attack on the capitalism, albeit potentially misdirected—reproductive justice, the depreciation of women's labor, sexual violence, etc. It's on us to get her to aim at the real culprit or at least nudge her in that direction because an empire of propaganda has been built to prevent her from doing just that. But you have to do it with tact, humility, and compassion. Don't be fucking smug or heartless, and know when to let a traumatized person vent and grieve.

* Showing up to meetings, protests, whatever to pick someone up is liable to make women feel unwelcome as comrades. But if they have a positive, normal experience, they're likely to show up in the future, possibly with friends.

* If you know someone is creeping on people, confront them. If they continue, get them removed and contact other parties in your area to let them know about this person. People like that have the potential to turn not just one or two people away, but people who haven't even met them who heard about something that happened and that leadership failed to respond to. It's a net loss to keep them around.

* Shutdown incel ideology when you see it. This is just a general humanitarian duty.

* Don't give platforms to misogynists/girl-repellent on the left.

* Rape jokes and the like make victims feel deeply disrespected and profoundly uncomfortable. You don't know who's listening and your joke probably isn't funny anyway.

I'm sure someone smarter than me has come up with more, but you understand the principle to figure out other applications. Basically, the radicalization of the working class incentivizes these kinds of active, if difficult, changes to reach them. The choice between allying with a few shitty men or a lot of decent women needs no further elaboration.


 No.2872203

>>2872156

>One of our top priorities as leftists is attracting workers. Remove as many barriers to entry as you sensibly can.

>* Shutdown incel ideology when you see it. This is just a general humanitarian duty.

Pick one. Incels do have some legitimate concerns and ignoring them will push them into the far-right.


 No.2872215

File: af89c8ac7496ca3⋯.jpg (226.08 KB, 1080x1249, 1080:1249, promiscuous.jpg)

>>2872156

>this thread tanked lol

No, it was r/socialism-tier garbage from the beginning and could only go upwards. There already was a containment thread for feminism/lgbt/etc.

>Yeah. If you're not someone who would be on the receiving end of it, it's easy to assume it's rare.

This is like investors complaining about entrepreneurs ripping them off. I wish I was in a position to have these problems.

>Dismissing identity politics in entirety tells women you don't care about the hardships they face

<If you don’t give special treatment to my $IDENTITY you are an anti-$IDENTITY bigot!

Identity politics are inherently reactionary.

>When a woman attacks misogyny, don't hear it as an attack on Men but an attack on the capitalism

We can’t read minds, she should learn to express what she means or not act offended when we respond to what she said instead of some hidden meaning we should have deciphered.

>Showing up to meetings, protests, whatever to pick someone up is liable to make women feel unwelcome as comrades. But if they have a positive, normal experience, they're likely to show up in the future, possibly with friends.

I know you will deny this reality as it contradicts the axioms of your ideology, but I will say it anyway: Whoever diddled you when you were young is not an incel, but the opposite. He is sexually – and socially in general - successful and even when limited to the instances that conform to your feminist definition of consent has far more romance/sex than the average man, let alone incels.

He is not going to change his behaviour because you ask him to. He has learned from personal experience that being an asshole is sexually rewarded by females, so he acts accordingly.

<But you have to do it with tact, humility, and compassion. Don't be fucking smug or heartless, and know when to let a traumatized person vent and grieve.

>Shutdown incel ideology when you see it. This is just a general humanitarian duty.

LOL. More proof that feminism is fascist, maybe we should shutdown nigger ideology whenever we see it too, for humanitarian reasons of course.

>The choice between allying with a few shitty men or a lot of decent women needs no further elaboration.

The funny thing is that females tend to be bigger defenders and enablers of the Chads than low-ranking men are. Daily reminder that Ted Bundy received deluges of declarations of love in prison.


 No.2872260

Women are the niggers of gender.


 No.2872302

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 No.2872314

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>>2872156

>Dismissing identity politics in entirety tells women you don't care about the hardships they face

<I think everyone should be treated equal from here on out

<omg you don't care about women!

I don't even see a reason to bring up gender/sex (or race or sexuality or whatever) at all in a left meeting. If someone gets mad that no one mentioned their special identity they can fuck right off.


 No.2872316

File: 7dfefdf1813dd13⋯.jpg (55.07 KB, 701x501, 701:501, nigga.jpg)

i miss when /r/socialism and /r/communism didn't come here due to shitty e-celebs shilling us


 No.2872320

File: a202b9b74fd3847⋯.jpg (59.34 KB, 405x654, 135:218, lenin-smoke6.jpg)

What the fuck is wrong with you people?


 No.2872321

>>2872320

valdyron lenigga


 No.2872325

>>2866881

Mass suicide in western world would be the solution to this. Japan was always a few steps ahead in defeating our capitalistic ways.


 No.2872672

>>2872320

psyco-capitalism


 No.2872705

>>287231

>>Dismissing identity politics in entirety tells women you don't care about the hardships they face

<<I think everyone should be treated equal from here on out

<<omg you don't care about women!

>I don't even see a reason to bring up gender/sex (or race or sexuality or whatever) at all in a left meeting. If someone gets mad that no one mentioned their special identity they can fuck right off.

>>2872215

<<If you don’t give special treatment to my $IDENTITY you are an anti-$IDENTITY bigot!

>Identity politics are inherently reactionary.

Anyone can read my paragraph (>>2872156) and see for themselves these are mischaracterizations.

>>When a woman attacks misogyny, don't hear it as an attack on Men but an attack on capitalism

>We can’t read minds, she should learn to express what she means or not act offended when we respond to what she said instead of some hidden meaning we should have deciphered.

As I said, she doesn't realize what's hurting her is a product of capitalism (or significantly exacerbated by it), but you do (or you should, Origins of the Family… is a good place to start). I'm not suggesting you to be a mind-reader but to recognize and seize an opportunity to turn gears in someone's head when it presents itself. The far right doesn't make such distinctions between "hates immigrants but doesn't believe immigration is a Jewish plot to undermine the white race" and "hates immigrants and believes immigration is a Jewish plot to undermine the white race". They see the groundwork for radicalization and strike. The Left must do this also. There's no shortage of talking points if you know how to play your cards.

We've all seen the growing energy among liberals against police brutality and so on. "Liberalism" contains the outrage and channels it into political dead-ends to neutralize the threat to capitalism. This is not to say we shouldn't talk about the universal struggles of the working class more than anything else, but to be cognizant there are more specific, identity-related ills you can take advantage of and use as entry points for liberals on the brink of a red awakening. Another point I want to raise is the excellent child care programs of the Soviet Union. Even after its dissolution, much of the former Soviet Bloc retained these programs because they were so good for families. I'm sure a lot of mothers would be interested to learn about that. This is just one of many examples I could've provided. There's no harm in having balanced discussions about other dimensions of capitalism and socialism at meetings or what have you to give comprehensive critiques of capitalism and their communist solutions.

<<But you have to do it with tact, humility, and compassion. Don't be fucking smug or heartless, and know when to let a traumatized person vent and grieve.

>>Shutdown incel ideology when you see it. This is just a general humanitarian duty.

>LOL. More proof that feminism is fascist

Incel ideology is fucking cancerous to everyone who gets sucked into it, and a look at the list of shootings committed by people associated with it shows it's bad for everyone else too. I don't want anyone to waste their lives spiteful, self-loathing, trapped in a negative feedback loop, and given up on finding love. The catharsis it gives you does nothing to help change your circumstances, it just makes you act addicted to your misery. What are you doing to make yourself appealing in appearance and personality to women? How often do you socialize outside of image boards? Are you practicing self-reflection? If you hate things you can't change about yourself (or can't change without spending tons of money), what are you doing to come to terms with them so you can be comfortable in your own skin? Love and sex are earned, not entitlements. Is it a bigger struggle to try to achieve mutual love or concede to a lifetime of loneliness? Defeatism and bitterness towards fellow workers has no place in the left either and is extremely off-putting to men and women alike.

>Daily reminder that Ted Bundy received deluges of declarations of love in prison.

Those women are among the very small minority with hybristophilia.

At some point you have ask if you're fighting capitalism or sex-havers and S.J.W. boogeyfolx. I hope you choose the former.


 No.2872715

>>2872705

>muh incels

Incels are a symptom of late capitalism, not a isolated problem in and of themselves. Hating Incels for being Incels is unproductive and politically impotent. What would be productive is the development of theory to explain why late capitalism creates this phenomena.


 No.2872717

>>2872715

I'm interested in your view that inceldom is a late capitalist phenomenon. How so?


 No.2872718

>>2872715

i believe you are confused.

from:

>I don't want anyone to waste their lives spiteful, self-loathing, trapped in a negative feedback loop, and given up on finding love.

we can clearly see their aversion to incel ideology is born out of compassion rather than a selfish desire to annihilate a pest


 No.2872720

>be me

>decide to lurk feminist subreddits to see if the “classical liberals” strawmans of feminism were true

>they wern’t, but what I saw wasn’t much better

>women talking about men as some homogeneous group, support sex segregation, and lacking nuance

Please tell me that not every feminist is like this. I’m going to uni in a few months. I don’t want to be surrounded by these people.


 No.2872722

>>2872718

that isn’t the problem. The problem is that Incels are thought to be considered an isolated problem. Isolated problems don’t exist in complex societies like this one.


 No.2872727

>>2872722

why not


 No.2872757

>>2866868

Women must obey their white master and suck his dick because they are his private property!


 No.2872782

>>2872720

Most self proclaimed feminists are like that, but most women in college aren't. Older more mature feminist also are more likely to have a more nuanced view of men. Don't lose hope.


 No.2872786

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File: 6da0c964e5c46bf⋯.jpg (62.79 KB, 850x400, 17:8, Nicolae Ceaușescu.jpg)

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 No.2872950

File: efeb36a3e664d3e⋯.jpg (62.92 KB, 640x831, 640:831, uniform.jpg)

>>2872705

>As I said, she doesn't realize what's hurting her is a product of capitalism (or significantly exacerbated by it), but you do (or you should, Origins of the Family… is a good place to start)

It’s not though. At the detriment of lower-class males feminists have established social superiority for “their side”, which completely 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧coincidentally🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 accompanied the rise of neoliberalism. The rise of feminism is an integral component of the darkest time of reaction.

“In 2016/2017, women are projected to earn 64.2% of associate degrees, 59.9% of bachelor's degrees, 62.9% of master's degrees, and 55.5% of Doctorates.[13] “

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States#Gender

Also maybe YOU should read Engels.

>You must be aware of the famous theory that in communist society the satisfaction of sexual desires, of love, will be as simple and unimportant as drinking a glass of water. I think this glass of water theory is completely un-Marxist, and, moreover, anti-social. In sexual life there is not only simple nature to be considered, but also cultural characteristics, whether they are of a high or low order. In his Origin of the Family Engels showed how significant is the development and refinement of the general sex urge into individual sex love. The relations of the sexes to each other are not simply an expression of the play of forces between the economics of society and a physical need, isolated in thought, by study, from the physiological aspect. It is rationalism, and not Marxism, to want to trace changes in these relations directly, and dissociated from their connections with ideology as a whole, to the economic foundations of society. Of course, thirst must be satisfied. But will the normal person in normal circumstances lie down in the gutter and drink out of a puddle, or out of a glass with a rim greasy from many lips? But the social aspect is most important of all. Drinking water is, of course, an individual affair. But in love two lives are concerned, and a third, a new life, arises, it is that which gives it its social interest, which gives rise to a duty towards the community.

<There's no harm in pushing feminism

Yes there is, you making it sound innocent and unassuming does not invalidate historical evidence. The western left has been coopted by feminists and other opportunists and made completely impotent, you middle-class liberals have been far more effective than far-right dictatorships could ever hope to be. There is a reason every major corporation and western media outlet supports feminism.

>Incel ideology

There is no such thing any more than there is a homosexual ideology. This is why you are a reactionary, you generalize people of an identity and see them as some single homogeneous whole and stigmatize them.

>What are you doing to make yourself appealing in appearance and personality to women? How often do you socialize outside of image boards? Are you practicing self-reflection? If you hate things you can't change about yourself (or can't change without spending tons of money), what are you doing to come to terms with them so you can be comfortable in your own skin? Love and sex are earned, not entitlements. Is it a bigger struggle to try to achieve mutual love or concede to a lifetime of loneliness?

How original. I wonder how I got on r/TwoXChromosomes, thought I was on an a/leftypol/. Along with those who tell poor people to just try harder or accept their place in society, you will be put against the wall.

>>Daily reminder that Ted Bundy received deluges of declarations of love in prison.

>Those women are among the very small minority with hybristophilia.

It is an extreme example of a general rule, not an outlier. Bullies are more attractive and being sociopathic is rewarded, and thus encouraged, by females with sex and love. It is in your self-interest to lie about this.

>Previous research has shown that adolescent bullying is associated with having a higher number of sexual partners. Bullying may thus represent an effective behavior for increasing the number of sexual partners.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0126-4

>At some point you have ask if you're fighting capitalism or sex-havers and S.J.W. boogeyfolx. I hope you choose the former.

That is a false dichotomy. The capitalists are fighting for the feminists and vice versa, as long as enough females get to join the higher echelons of class society. It is also possible to fight for socialism and against feminism, as the Worker’s Party of Korea is doing successfully. But if it came down to a binary choice between feminists and nazis (i.e. female supremacists vs white supremacists), given that I would pass the Nürnberger Gesetze but not the feminist criteria, I would pick the one where I am not a subhuman.


 No.2872978

>>2872720

>women talking about men as some homogeneous group, support sex segregation, and lacking nuance

>X group of people talking about Y group of people as some homogeneous group, support X/Y segregation, and lacking nuance

To be fair, any insulated community have a high chance to devolove into this mindset, especially online.


 No.2872998

File: 51cead08bd00e5e⋯.jpg (90.47 KB, 905x556, 905:556, intersectionality.jpg)

>>2872978

>defending identity politics


 No.2872999

>>2872995

What are you doing here then, instead of shitting out mongrel children for "white" Amerika?


 No.2873034

>>2871644

I think that the preponderence of MtF trannies, or at least, their visibility is related to the ability of anonymity on the internet to enable something sort of like "Subjectivity without a Subject", and since people are conditioned as Subjects within society essentially from birth their ability to assume a different subjectivity is relatively limited, which leads not only to men & women being generally more able to explore concepts that they've already perhaps considered (like their Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation), but the way in which they express it is an approximation of the conditioned subjectivity of "Male" & "Female" itself. The reason why Transwomen are more visible is likely not only related to the fact that a lot of subcultural spaces are Male dominated, but also that the approximation of the Feminine Subject combined with Male Subjectivity leads to more openly expressive behaviours. Likewise this also has effects upon the FtM population, it just expresses itself in different ways, insofar as a Transman approximating Male Subjectivity isn't likely to be noticed as that seperate from Men but also because of certain aspects of Male Gender roles that make them less likely to broadcast it to the world.

This extends far and wide beyond just Gender Politics & Expression naturally, it's just that I'd imagine the closer the marginal position of these ideas within public discourse the more likely it is to find it's representation online. In that way I think that subculture itself has dissappeared for a multitude of Internet related reasons. Another weird thing I've thought about is that technically internet contrarians are more empathetic because they're more able to assume different surface level subjectivities. There are countless examples of how anonymity faciliated by communication technology can lead to all sorts of phenomena.


 No.2873046

>>2873011

>I will always stay true to my own personal beliefs

You'll be a communist in a few months, mark my words. Look at boonposter.


 No.2873062

>>2872203

>Pick one. Incels do have some legitimate concerns

Hahaha, good joke anon. i lmao'd.


 No.2873172

>>2866868

>specific role

lol no, except if you want to use your ass for spying

a comrade is a comrade, no distinction should be made


 No.2873182

>>2872998

He isn't defending identity politics, just generalizing the analysis of where it comes from.

The problem with politics today is that different ideological communities are incredibly insulated. That's how people are kept from becoming class conscious.


 No.2873252

>>2873188

why do chicks with dead eyes and chicks who look like this make my dick reach my knees?


 No.2873462

>>2872950

<<There's no harm in pushing feminism

>Yes there is

There's no harm in 1.) wanting gender equality, 2.) understanding that gender equality, impossible in capitalism, will be achieved in communism, and 3.) using the shared goal of gender equality to get liberals to warm up to communism. As they learn more about communism and political action as a leftist, they'll understand the prioritization of universal working class struggle (but not to the total erasure of ancillary struggles also originating in or worsened by capitalism, which is what you and many other people here seem to believe).

>There is no such thing [as incel ideology] any more than there is a homosexual ideology. This is why you are a reactionary, you generalize people of an identity and see them as some single homogeneous whole and stigmatize them.

There's a widely shared political and sociological "school of thought" among incels, constituting an ideology unique to them. Unfortunately, it has little to no basis in reality and only makes them more miserable and isolated.

>The capitalists are fighting for the feminists and vice versa, as long as enough females get to join the higher echelons of class society. […] But if it came down to a binary choice between feminists and nazis (i.e. female supremacists vs white supremacists), given that I would pass the Nürnberger Gesetze but not the feminist criteria, I would pick the one where I am not a subhuman.

Absurd false equivalence, and admitted alliance with Nazism over capitalism with bourgeois "feminism" in it so everything's the same as it already is except with women now making up 50% of the bourgeoisie and war criminals. Gender liberation and abolition and inherently incompatible with capitalism. There's plenty of Marxist feminist reading out there so you can learn about this. Furthermore, there's never been a female supremacist society equivalent to the white supremacy of Nazi Germany, and very, very people—if any—want to implement some sort of female supremacist Holocaust or mass enslavement of men are organizing and gaining power, unlike violent white supremacists who are actually gaining momentum and killing people in lone wolf attacks. Really none of this should have needed saying.

Also, to illustrate a difference between us, I said (and you quoted)

>What are you doing to make yourself appealing in appearance and personality to women? How often do you socialize outside of image boards? Are you practicing self-reflection? If you hate things you can't change about yourself (or can't change without spending tons of money), what are you doing to come to terms with them so you can be comfortable in your own skin? Love and sex are earned, not entitlements. Is it a bigger struggle to try to achieve mutual love or concede to a lifetime of loneliness?

To which you responded (emphasis mine)

>How original. I wonder how I got on r/TwoXChromosomes, thought I was on an a/leftypol/. Along with those who tell poor people to just try harder or accept their place in society, you will be put against the wall.

You also conveniently omitted this sentence when quoting me

>I don't want anyone to waste their lives spiteful, self-loathing, trapped in a negative feedback loop, and given up on finding love.

And earlier, you said

>I know you will deny this reality as it contradicts the axioms of your ideology, but I will say it anyway: Whoever diddled you when you were young is not an incel, but the opposite.

Under the assumption I'm a molestation victim to be specifically hurtful or to discredit my views as resulting from alleged childhood sexual abuse and therefore crazy.

I've afforded you compassion, civility, and leniency, but you're so intent on seeing me as an enemy and women as oppressors of men and yourself as utterly powerless over your own life (yet seemingly entitled to women's physical and emotional intimacy the same way you're entitled to clean water and a roof over your head, as if the two are comparable), it's impossible to have a worthwhile conversation with you on the subject of sex and gender, or even help you get on the path to happiness, as much as I'd like to do that. Moreover, whether you're conscious of it or not, you attempted to trap me in bad faith arguments and repeatedly misrepresent what I say to the point where I can only clarify my statements instead of respond to legitimate counterpoints. Regardless, I hope this is just an unfortunate phase in your life that will soon come to an end for your own sake.


 No.2874088

"Women having a specific role" smacks of "women should get free labor credits for unpaid emoshunal labor" or something like that

If that's not what you're getting at then I have no issues


 No.2874860

>>2871110

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>>2871651

😐 Doesn't pass IMHO. He will always remain Sheldon from Big Bang Theory to me.


 No.2874873

The only good lefty females are the ones that want to be my girlfriend. In other words, none of them. Fuck you wenches.


 No.2874967

>>2866868

>To the women of this board (Including trans, but more so interested in a cis perspective) how do you wind up here? What type of lefty are you? Are far left spaces like this more or less easy to navigate as a woman than others you have experience in? What do you believe is your role in revolution, if any? In a socialist society?

>trans

I am female and I don’t like the trans women to exist because how can I complete against them? It’s impossible! So why is it important for you to bring the gender identities up? You just made me angry.


 No.2874981

>>2874967

t. totally not a male


 No.2874983

>>2874088

Emotional Labour is a meme but this kind of thing does pose the question that in scenarios whereby individuals are unable to work in the same traditional way that others are, whether renumerating reproductive labour (reproductive in the sense of household labour & care) in a scenario where it's easier to have a family member care for a disabled person or have a parent (man, woman or otherwise) care for multiple young children would potentially be considered as an alternative arrangment to workplace childcare or dedicated care work.


 No.2875126

>>2874983

If someone in the household is working, they should be able to support everyone. Obviously in the case of extended families that would be extended to "some few". The childcare industry is a direct result of capitalism prying us from the arms of our own families.


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>>2874967

>>2874981

Best part is one can never actually tell.


 No.2875165

>>2875152

>our children

biggest yikes


 No.2875205

>>2875152

Lol, imagine if you were a kid and your dad kept bringing home teenage dickgirls to ravage in your mum's bed.


 No.2875235

>>2875152

Fuckin kek, what the actual shit.


 No.2875244

>>2875126

This depends on the structure of the economy, how far average productivity has advanced and how much labour power is necessary. The family under Capitalism is already changing rapidly throughout it's development (regardless of what your opinion is of it), it's likely that it will once again change under Socialism, perhaps back to an extended model, perhaps it would afford workers more freedom to choose any arrangement they wish, perhaps it would go back to the "nuclear" or Bourgeois Family.

Ideally you would have everyone working as many hours as is needed under whatever form of planning the economy takes, and 2 individuals working 4 hours obviously affects things like care & reproductive labour differently than one person working 8 hours or any other configuration thereof. If the productivity gains are so high that each person only needs to work an average of 4 hours, it doesn't necessarily mean that they can support multiple other people with the labour vouchers from 1 worker.

Students training under a proposal from someone like Cockshott would also be allocated Labour Vouchers so that would be able to cover that issue, but what still remains would be questions related to childcare, the elderly & the disabled. They would be afforded resources proportional to their needs, but this doesn't answer the specific questions of the labour needed to assist them. Take for example, a live-in nurse taking care of your grandmother compared to your own mother. The nurse would be renumerated for her labour; and in this case should the mother not also be in accordance with the amount of labour she would otherwise contribute to the social product as a whole?

The USSR encouraged childcare within the workplace, there were specific facilities whereby your children would be taken care of by childcare staff at your own workplace, enabling them to develop & socialize amongs a much broader range of adults & children and never be too far away from their parents, who could see them on breaks, minimizing the level of seperation between families. There are multiple arrangments possible for all of these things that can fit cohesively into the economy, it's arguable it would be possible to use multiple models that were flexible enough to fit the needs of all kinds of families.


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>>2874967

>I am female and I don’t like the trans women to exist because how can I complete against them?

Trannies exist because some Incels figured that if they can’t get a gf, they might as well become the gf. If you want less trannies start dating Incels.

>>2875244

One thing that Cockshott mentioned in his book in regard to families is labor rotations. Where half the week the father would work. And the other half the mother would work.


 No.2875374

>>2866868

Feminists get the bullet too. Never forget that.


 No.2875382

>>2866868

I think women are best at home raising babies instead of getting punched at rallies or ran over by rednecks in muscle cars etc.


 No.2875392

>>2875382

>eliminating 50% of our movement is a good idea

>forgetting that women played a critical role in the russian revolution

Go back to /pol/ you literal retard.


 No.2875398

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>>2875392

Sure they did…


 No.2875404

>>2875398

A womens' strike kicked off the february revolution, which is what made the fucking october revolution possible in the first place. Read a fucking book you turbo-nigger.


 No.2875411

>>2875404

Yeah, and a woman is responsible for the first black hole image.


 No.2875418

>>2875411

Jesus christ, what a fucking non-sequitur. Do you have autism? Some journalists exaggerate the part of a female scientist in imaging a black hole, therefore all reports of historical actions by women must be false? Did you just have a brain aneurysm and forget that 21st century identity politics didn't exist in 1917?


 No.2875429

>>2875418

That's the problem with living in a gynocentric society where women are propped up and/or given credit when they didn't deserve it.

It's like the military stating they couldn't operate without women, when in fact they have in the past, or how we wouldn't have computers without Ada Lovelace, as if it were her and not Alan Turing we have to thank for the computers we have today.

Just as if wolf has been cried, people wont't believe you. Women are propped up and given credit for things they didn't deserve, and there will always be skeptics.

I won't whisper sweet nothings into your ear about how equal we are in order to land a place within your good graces. Do not confuse the desire for approval with agreement. I do not desire your approval, so I won't lie to you or withhold criticism. Deny me sex? Ok.

History was built by men with women doing all the absolute vital support tasks in the background. Women aren't needed on the front, and that's one of the last places they belong.


 No.2875430

>>2875429

>gynocentric society

Yup, it's a brain aneurysm.


 No.2875432

>>2875429

>I won't whisper sweet nothings into your ear about how equal we are in order to land a place within your good graces. Do not confuse the desire for approval with agreement. I do not desire your approval, so I won't lie to you or withhold criticism. Deny me sex? Ok.

LMAO, I'm male you retarded faggot.

>Women aren't needed on the front, and that's one of the last places they belong.

Except this isn't how things have worked in the past, and isn't how it works today. Not only have woman repeatedly played sizable roles in strikes and demonstrations, but even when they get passively killed (as was the case with that girl at Charlottesville) the ideological impact tends to be must larger than if the same happens to men - like it or not, in our society men are considered the expendable sex. Had it been a man that was run down by that /pol/tard most people wouldn't have given a shit, but a woman being killed bought about massive condemnation from most of society and had a demoralising effect on the right as a result. You're just refusing to see the strategic value of women because you're mad about not being able to get your dick wet.


 No.2875437

Each person has a set of characteristics which may given the conditions and circumstances make them more or less suited for various tasks. Sex modifies and provides some number of an individuals characteristics, but we are already assessing these characteristics. This means that the concept of sex under this context is just idealistic baggage.


 No.2875438

>>2875430

I don't hitting people empowerment. I call that abuse.

I won't call any sort of discrimination that benefits women taking away privileges.

I won't call women receiving freedom from gender roles without giving men the same courtesy women's' liberation.

It's all about women, and I will call it gynocentrsim rather that equality.

>>2875432

You're a woman. You act more like an offended woman than some mindless sheep millennial blindly following a narrative set like so many from that generation do, or a male saying things with the rulers approval, all in hopes of getting girl to touch his weewee.

>You're just refusing to see the strategic value of women

It hasn't been demonstrated. Or was that girl being run over useful to advance an agenda?

>you're mad about not being able to get your dick wet.

What part of not desiring female approval do you not understand? If a woman doesn't want me because I offend her oh fucking well. My hand serves me quite well.

(anon spammed gay porn in annother thread.)

 No.2875481

>>2875438

>I don't hitting people empowerment. I call that abuse.

What the fuck are you on about?

>Or was that girl being run over useful to advance an agenda?

Sure it was, though not in the retarded conspiratorial sense you /pol/tard types mean.


 No.2875482

>>2867158

I guarentee you it's that zizek/peterson debate.




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