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 No.2867307

Return of the thread about "Settlers: The mythology of white proletariat".

That book is anti-marxist bullshit. PROVE ME WRONG.

If you want read it: http://readsettlers.org/

 No.2867309

The idea that there was no white proletariat in the US is absolutely retarded even if you believe that the US remained a settler-colonial state up until modern times.


 No.2867312

File: 0da4de21b7368b0⋯.jpg (37.83 KB, 461x195, 461:195, sakai_interview.JPG)

>>2867307

Fuck Sakai


 No.2867313

Black Red Guard made a video about it recently. Thoughts?

https://youtu.be/Q2AxRdKmq3I


 No.2867314

Literally never seen this book mentioned outside of /leftypol/, and I always get the nagging feeling that 90% of Settlers threads come from /pol/


 No.2867315

>>2867314

I also have a theory that 100% of all Settlers threads are made by burgers


 No.2867318

File: c332f4e4dd29107⋯.jpg (22.71 KB, 619x215, 619:215, D1VHqn5WkAAi6Af.jpg)

>>2867313

>Black Red Guard


 No.2867322

>>2867307

I’ve read part of it. It isn’t nearly as bad as you make it out.

I do wonder why it’s upheld by so many Gonzaloites and other wackadoo leftist tendencies who believe in breaking up North America into 50 woke ethnostates. I wonder if that’s later in the text or purely an invention of those groups who think that America’s past as a settler-colonial state obviously makes volkisch and ethnonationalism by black and indigenous people woke and Marxist.


 No.2867329

>>2867322

Yeah, that book could be good. But the conclusions Sakai draws in it are wrong.


 No.2867334

>>2867329

The book is just detailing the United States' history as a settler-colonialist state and then later as an imperialist power, making the case that whites had never really developed true class consciousness and united in solidarity with non-white proletarians because they were, at first, settlers benefiting from the genocide of Native Americans and the slavery of Africans and, later, labor aristocrats enriching themselves on imperial loot and the oppression and exploitation of colonized peoples, so they had sort of a class interest to see the bourgeois regime continued.

That's true enough, but I don't see how you get ethnostates and fetishizing the precolonial period as a lost Garden of Eden out of that.


 No.2867339

File: b821cc483fd4b02⋯.png (35.13 KB, 957x185, 957:185, 75it8efjp0t21.png)

Sorry, wh*te people. You are not proletarians and you are NOT socialists. Read Settlers.


 No.2867346

>>2867339

People like that are unironically one of the biggest obstacles to revolution.


 No.2867350

File: 6cbcdcbb7415257⋯.jpg (9.76 KB, 213x341, 213:341, 6cbcdcbb74152576134bd72516….jpg)

>>2867339

MADE BY

NIGBOL GANG

GANG GANG


 No.2867351

>((Adolf Hitler. Mein Kampf. Houghton Mifflin, 1971. p.373-378. Although Hitler’s rep has required critics to always badrap his book, it’s an exhilarating rip-roaring rant that easily roars past most left political writers. It is overly long, but so is the much duller Das Kapital. Supposedly a slimmed-down popular version, with the repetition and long detailed discussions about specifically German issues omitted, will be coming out next year. ))

What did Sakai mean by this?


 No.2867356

>>2867339

The thing is, Settlers specifically rejects the notion that the lack of white class solidarity with non-white proletarians was due to racism, but because whites largely constituted a labor aristocracy that benefited from the colonial/imperialist regime (and basically stood to lose more from its loss than they had to gain from its destruction).

This… this is just pure idealism. I haven't read the whole book, maybe Sakai delves straight into this idealism, but so far I haven't seen any basis for this crap in the book.


 No.2867360

File: df4588b619f0534⋯.jpg (113.88 KB, 1024x659, 1024:659, by allah.jpg)

Why is strawmanning settlers such a meme on this board? If you think it's arguing >>2867309 or something similar you need to either read it or go back and read it again. It certainly oversimplifies things but its core arguments, i.e. that global class stratification is more complex than bourgeois / proletarian, and white Amerikans have never achieved class consciousness en masse because of imperialist superprofits, definitely check out.


 No.2867364

>>2867360

I will say that Settlers is less relevant today than it was when it came out in the 80s but that's precisely because 30+ years of neoliberalism have gradually reproletarianized the Amerikan labor aristocracy.


 No.2867365

>muh whitetariat

>muh wypipo reactionary

definitely not ethnonationalism


 No.2867368

File: 06d660c39f20090⋯.jpg (294.99 KB, 700x914, 350:457, 06d660c39f20090daaef7ce139….jpg)

http://rashidmod.com/?p=1125

Critique of "Settlers" by Rashid Johnson


 No.2867370

>>2867368

that's more a critique of PB white people who misunderstand third worldism to mean "white people can never be revolutionary" (so basically this board kek) than an outright condemnation. but y'all don't read so


 No.2867371

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>>2867360

I have read parts of it and he cherrypicks historical events to support his theory while he ignores all the instances where white workers allied with black workers/slaves. Silvia Federici's Caliban and the Witch, albeit written from a perspective of women's history, provides a far more fairer account of all this. White people weren't idiots who thought of non-whites as subhumans per se, they realised they were exploited by their masters just as them. The whole superprofits theory is extremely shaky as you need to proof a correlation between ramped-up imperialism and the extension of social programs and high wages. Such a correlation does not exist ipso facto even though it could be proven in some examples.

Remember that Marx investigated the genesis or capitalism in regards to colonialism as well with sheer economics and math and couldn't find any such relation despite years of study. If you read The Law of Worldwide Value by Amin you can't find such a correlation either even though the guy pretty much proves that "unequal" exchange exists.

That's not even mentioning the other highly dubious stuff like Sakai being hard to trace down if he's a real person (pictures, interviews) and that extremely nutty Mein Kampf quote. Something about the guy doesn't smell right.


 No.2867372

>>2867356

That'd be because basically nobody who reads Settlers is a Marxist beforehand unless they're reading it as a result of this bullshit. Sakai himself is a Liberal with an awful understanding of Marxism, and he essentially believes, or rather, this is what can be inferred from everything he's said publically, that, just like radfems who believe that sex is itself a class, Sakai believes that race is a class, because he doesn't understand what classes are. There are actual Marxists who have made all of the more general claims he has about inter & intraclass relations being complicated by all manner of things but again, they're actually Marxists.


 No.2867376

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>>2867370

>muh y'all don't read


 No.2867383

On Sakai and his misrepresenting W.Z. Foster

>hurr race of strike breakers

https://archive.org/details/greatsteelstrike00fostiala/page/208

The chapter on race relations begins on page 194. The stuff specifically about Negros begins on 205.

>So serious was the race situation in the steel strike that the National Committee for Organizing Iron and Steel Workers requested President Gompers to arrange a conference between prominent negro leaders and trade-union officials, to the end that proper remedies may be indicated. The need for action looking towards better relations between whites and blacks in the industrial field should be instantly patent; for there can be no doubt but that the employing class, taking advantage of the bitter animosities of the two groups, are deliberately attempting to turn the negroes into a race of strikebreakers, with whom to hold the white workers in check; on much the same principle as the Czars used the Cossacks to keep in subjection the balance of the Russian people. Should they succeed to any degree it would make our industrial disputes take on more and more the character of Nazi masturbation fantasys, a consummation that would be highly injurious to the white workers and eventually ruinous to the blacks.

>For the tense situation existing the unions are themselves in no small part to blame. Many of them sharply draw the color line, thus feeding the flames of race hatred. THis discriminatory practice is in direct conflict with the fundamental which demands that all the workers be organized, without regard to sex, race, creed, politics, or nationality. It injures Labor's cause greatly. Company agents harp upon it continueally, to prevent negroes from joining even the organizations willing to take them in. This was the case in the steel campaign. Moreover these same company agents cited this discriminatory practice most effectively to induce thousands of outside colored workers to come into the industry as strike-breakers. Such a condition cannot be allowed to persist. But to relieve it the unions will have to meet the issue honestly and broad-mindedly. The must open their ranks to negroes, make an earnest effort to organize them, and then give them a square deal when they do join. Nothing short of this will accomplish the desired result.

>durpa doo da negro

https://archive.org/details/greatsteelstrike00fostiala/page/212

>But even this did not satisfy; the anti-union propaganda went on undiminished and with tremendous effect. It is true that some far-sighted negrot intellectuals defended the unions; but they were as men crying in the wilderness; the others [anti-union negro community leaders] prevailed. And although the unions kept a crew of negro organizers in the field, and won many concessions for the packing house workers, including the eight hour day, right of collective bargainning, large increases in wages, 40 hour weekly guarantee, retro-active pay, seniority rights, etc, they have never succeeded in organizing the negroes.

>They know little of the race problem in industry who declare that it can be settled merely by the unions opening their doors to the negroes. It is much more complex than that, and will require the best thought that conscientious whites and blacks can give it. The negro has the more difficult part to solve, in resisting the insidious efforts of unscrupulous white employers and misguided intellectuals of his own race to make a professional strike-breaker of him. But I am confident that he will win out and will take his place where he blongs in the industrial fight, side by side, with the white worker.

>The negro has the more difficult part to solve, in resisting the insidious efforts of unscrupulous white employers and misguided intellectuals of his own race to make a professional strike-breaker of him. But I am confident that he will win out and will take his place where he blongs in the industrial fight, side by side, with the white worker.


 No.2867401

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>>2867351

HEIL SAKAI


 No.2867406

>>2867309

There are no white wage laborers with no property in America. They are all petty-bourgeois or bourgeois settlers. Whites are not oppressed, they can only oppress.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.2867429

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 No.2867430

>>2867406

This is such a shit false flag /pol/ it is just objectively not the case


 No.2867431

>>2867429

(This is j sakais comment on mine kampf)


 No.2867432

>>2867312

Nick Griffen, the guy who created BNP could barely read Mein Kampf and he was the guy who created a mainstream Far-Right party. Back when Hitler was in charge no one in the day could stand to read Mein Kampf, I know a German Neo-Nazi who can't read it.


 No.2867434

>>2867430

>everyone that hurts my white feelings is a false-flag

Face it, you’re a settler and exploiter living off the blood of centuries worth of New Afrikan labor. Go back to Europe


 No.2867435

>>2867430

SHUT

THE

FUCK

UP

COLONIZER


 No.2867436


 No.2867437

>>2867436

I'm saying that something's off with the guy because Nazis can't stand Mein Kampf.


 No.2867438

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>>2867434

>>2867435

>Inherited sin

Spooky


 No.2867440

>>2867434

Since you live in fucking USA you are fucking living off the blood colonized people no matter how dark your skin is. Or do you live in vaacuum, princess?


 No.2867442

>>2867440

Are you samefagging or just retardedly easy to bait?


 No.2867445

Did we really need another thread? does the idea of the white worker not existing really need two threads?


 No.2867449

>>2867440

I suffer along with my New Afrikan brothers and sisters. I bear the same sky that my ancestors did, and as they will continue to do until we destroy whiteness once and for all.

>>2867438

>having no feel of responsibility for one’s inherited actions

See here how spooks are used to oppress


 No.2867456

>>2867449

>inherited actions

Lol ok, dr. Mengele


 No.2867459

>Another Settlers thread

I'm just going to link the last thread because Sakai was already completely btfo on nearly every claim he made, especially in regards to historical claims which Ismail pointed out.

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2824598.html

We don't even need another thread, the last one was sufficient enough.


 No.2867483

>>2867318

>>2867313

Yeah I respect this guy because he does genuinely good work and has organized a lot of impressionable former SPUSA retards into generally better leftists but he is an egomaniac with some shitty and inconsistent ideological lines. Just very selectively reads and then mocks people for bringing up his own contradictions, disregards those later parts of Huey Newton's work that call for more profound multiracial organizing and smears it as revisionist, is appropriately critical of cultish Gonzalites but then uncritically accepts various parts of the MLM ideology drawn from Gonzalo.


 No.2867487

File: 34e1a8ab508a6d0⋯.jpg (368.88 KB, 1338x1078, 669:539, 1526318948718.jpg)

>>2867449

>inherited actions

y'all motherfuckers need Egocom gang


 No.2867546

>>2867449

>inherited actions

Dude, I hope you are shitposting


 No.2867568

One question why Sakai spells African and American with k? "New Afrikan", "Amerikan". Is there any reason behind that?


 No.2867573

>>2867456

>>2867487

>>2867546

These honkies don’t believe in karma lmao


 No.2867589

>>2867487

>What happened is the past doesn't effect what happens now.

t. my scared shitless white spooks.


 No.2867625

File: cc0b26918d764e3⋯.png (105.58 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 1550873252812.png)

Settlers doesn't go far enough. Whites aren't the only group that benefit from first world imperialism.


 No.2867666

>>2867589

He didn't say that. He said, that it's completely absurd to think that people are guilty of crimes commited by their ancestors


 No.2867706

>>2867573

Honestly go back to /pol/, you're not even good at falseflagging.

>>2867371

Do you have anything more on superprofit theory?


 No.2867780

>>2867483

>but he is an egomaniac with some shitty and inconsistent ideological lines

Yep. Sometimes are his takes absolutely cursed.


 No.2867925

>>2867666

You are if you benefit from crimes your ancestors committed. If your dad steals a million dollars and then gives it to you, you aren't allowed to keep the money.


 No.2867962

>>2867925

Yeah, but this is totally bullshit analogy in this case.


 No.2868025

What do Sakaists and Third Worldists think of non-white who contributed to Colonial genocide? Also why does Sakai never bring up Bacon and Shay's Rebellion?

Honest question here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Soldier


 No.2869765

>>2867568

because the letter 'c' isn't prominent in many main african languages. the 'k' in amerika implies that it's a fascist country and the 'k' in afrika implies unity i guess.


 No.2869768

there is no white proletariat Nazi masturbation fantasy is here


 No.2870172

>>2868025

Because he is just black nationalist not a communist.


 No.2870190

File: e029ea5624c636f⋯.gif (185.54 KB, 603x428, 603:428, Russia_1533-1896.gif)

>settler colonialist states are inherently reactionary

blocks your path

Settler colonialism was bad for displacing natives, however what’s done is done, the natives were erased mostly through disease and racial mixing with whites, not by murder, so their is no reason to remove whites from the land. And America’s position as a settler-colonialist state isn’t why it’s reactionary. It’s position as a global hegemony is, which is eroding, which will coincide with an uptick in revolutionary politics in America. We should prepare for this. Not doing so is shooting ourselves in the foot.


 No.2870201

>>2870190

this tbh


 No.2870264

>>2867780

In his video about Settlers you can tell he's an egomaniac solely from the way he's talking. It's pretty obvious he's getting some sadistic pleasure out of telling whitey that unless they feel white guilt, they're useless to the socialist movement.

Also, him thinking the Revolution will be led by black people specifically? Straight up delusional.


 No.2870279

>>2870190

Reminder that in the Americas something like 90% of the original indigenous population was wiped out by the settlers' plagues tearing through the continents ahead of the settlers themselves. By the time burgers started large scale settlement of the "wild west" (mid 1800s) it had been a couple hundred years since the previous population had been through an apocalypse. That's why the land was so empty of people and why settling was as doable as it was.

I wonder if it's even possible to have avoided those deaths given how many plagues the "old world" brought with it. Obviously the subsequent and very deliberate genocides were at the discretion of the settlers though.


 No.2870348

>>2870279

>I wonder if it's even possible to have avoided those deaths given how many plagues the "old world" brought with it.

Only if modern medicine existed before Columbus sailed. However modern medicine only existed because of the Industrial Revolution, which only occurred due to the wealth Western Europe got from all the natural resources in the Americas. So it would be nearly impossible to avoid the native deaths.


 No.2870673

>>2870190

Annexation isn't the same thing as settlement.


 No.2870675

>>2870264

>him thinking the Revolution will be led by black people specifically? Straight up delusional

This reeks of more casual racism from /leftyfascist/. They quickly denounce any independent movement of the New Afrikan proletariat as "idpol", a movement that must be subordinated to the white-dominated vanguard. They think New Afrikans are incapable of leading themselves to revolution, they think we're all just dumb niggers like you clearly think, fascist


 No.2870677

>>2870675

If you want a shot at building a mass-movement dedicated to the overthrow of capitalism, it's incredibly stupid to divide it along ethnic lines. Thinking an ethnic minority will accomplish it on its own is even more stupid. This is why you mobilize on basis of class, not race. Get fucked, liberal wrecker or /pol/ false-flagger, who knows.


 No.2870763

>>2870673

Siberia is Russian majority.

>>2870675

A revolution requires the support of the mass majority of the population to succeed. As such it needs the support of most people of all races.


 No.2870878

File: 2691c5b66adde49⋯.jpg (43 KB, 669x395, 669:395, fact.jpg)

>>2867434

>>2867435

go back to twitter schnitz nobody cares about your white guilt


 No.2871467

>>2870264

>it's pretty obvious he's getting some sadistic pleasure out of telling whitey that unless they feel white guilt, they're useless to the socialist movement.

Exactly. This is Black red guard in nutshell


 No.2871470

>>2870675

>muh you are fascists cuz you don't like Sakai's bullshit

just end yourself


 No.2871471

>>2870675

t. mystery meat mongrel

but the real question is, are you a "white" /pol/yp or a "black" one wishing he was pure.


 No.2871473

File: f51d1c21aab278f⋯.jpg (59.56 KB, 480x360, 4:3, kim il sung party divorced….jpg)

>>2870675

How do you expect the revolution to succeed without mass support?


 No.2871474

>>2871473

i think the idea is to smash eurocentrism and racism so that we can have greater class consciousness, to then allow for mass support. This is the central idea of being critical.


 No.2871481

>>2871474

But that's not what they do. They engage in racially divisive rhetoric which is just liable to alienate all potential allies that aren't radlibs. They eschew class consciousness for race consciousness, engaging in identity politics almost on par with their white supremacist enemies. If you want to build class consciousness, talk about class, not race.


 No.2871707

>>2870763

>>2871473

>A revolution requires the support of the mass majority of the population to succeed

The mass majority of the exploited classes. I think we've already established that whites as a race are net-exploiters. An entire bourgeoisified, colonialist settler race.

>>2871471

>t. mystery meat mongrel

This only strengthens my feelings about this board. It adheres to racist ideology and quickly attacks people based off their race or racial mixtures. You white settlers brought my ancestors here, raped our women and spawned thousands of mixed-race slaves diluted with white blood. It's in the white settler racial consciousness to see this as bad.


 No.2871708

>>2871481

Race issues are class issues.


 No.2871713

>>2871707

>an entire bourgeois, colonialist, settler-race

precisely, it is no wonder why westerners are so complacent with liberalism. But many will see this as race-war or whatever, when the object of critique here is precisely the bourgeois attitude which pervades the white population.


 No.2871721

>>2871707

>The mass majority of the exploited classes. I think we've already established that whites as a race are net-exploiters. An entire bourgeoisified, colonialist settler race.

No, you, Sakai and other radlibs are the only retards to "establish" this. If you don't think there's a white working class that's being fucked by capitalism as hard as working class blacks, then you have been rendered completely delusional by identity politics. Of course, there is a white working class that's going to take offense to your collective guilt-tripping (of an entire race, wow), and not sympathize with your movement. That's a problem if you're just 13% of the population and actually want to get shit done. This is why idpol is cancer. Amazing how you can't realize that.

>>2871708

Not an argument. Focusing on race is shit praxis for reasons already explained. If you want to keep sabotaging the class struggle through insisting on maintaining a race-based analysis and strategy, be my guest, but don't be surprised when you're left with a fractured movement of different identities fighting over who is the most oppressed.


 No.2871727

>>2871721

>talking about race leads to pc absurdity

what a fallacious proposition. The bourgeois mindset is being promoted by westerners today, i am criticising it, this is the essence of my position.


 No.2871730

>>2871721

> If you don't think there's a white working class that's being fucked by capitalism as hard as working class blacks, then you have been rendered completely delusional by identity politics

White NPC detected.

<IDPOL BAD

<IDPOL BAD

You can only say that because you are a white settler LARPing as a tough cracker posting with a tank flag. You don't see a reason for IDPOL because you're a privileged settler piece of shit with the boot on New Afrikan necks

>Of course, there is a white working class that's going to take offense to your collective guilt-tripping (of an entire race, wow), and not sympathize with your movement.

It sure hurts to be called out and held responsible for the action's of your settler ancestors, huh? This just further proves the reactionary and nearly unalterable quality of the white reactionary mind (99% of Europids). They don't want to be held responsible, they don't want to be told that they are exploiters and settlers.


 No.2871741

>>2871730

>It sure hurts to be called out and held responsible for the action's of your settler ancestors, huh?

Not a burger, and inherited responsibility is a spook.

>They don't want to be held responsible, they don't want to be told that they are exploiters and settlers.

Because they're not, and you are just trying to pin the blame on them for something their great-grandfather did. SHOCKING that this won't be very popular in most circles. People like you have absolutely zero chance of getting anything done except circlejerking over Sakai forever.

>>2871727

>what a fallacious proposition. The bourgeois mindset is being promoted by westerners today, i am criticising it, this is the essence of my position.

What a retarded position. That mindset is being promoted by just about anyone. We should just exclude everyone that's not a dirt-poor, non-white, woke factory worker then, and seize the means of production with >1% of the population. Third Worldism is defeatism.


 No.2871742

>>2871741

you entirely miss the point.

i cannot speak with you.


 No.2871745

>>2871742

Great, don't speak with anyone else either because you're giving us all a bad name with your idpol faggotry


 No.2871749

>>2871745

you do not bother to represent the third world, you encapsulate proletarian identity as the white, bourgeois state it expresses itself in the west today. You are the one promoting idpol here, you are privileging a eurocentric perspective over a global understanding.


 No.2871756

>>2871745

Being pro-idpol is being anti-settler.


 No.2871762

File: 3627e2b668454d3⋯.png (839.23 KB, 600x876, 50:73, 442.png)

>>2871749

Where the fuck did he do this? He's not focusing on idpol at all, your the one trying to bring identity into this.

>>2871756

Fuck off falseflagger


 No.2871763

File: f2bba6ce564b285⋯.png (134.11 KB, 577x498, 577:498, Petersomme.png)

>>2871749

>i cannot speak with you

>more bait

>you are the one promoting idpol yet i can't stop talking about white people and eurocentrism for the life of me

4/10, got me to respond multiple times. Reminder that when people look too much like a radlib stereotype, it's probably /pol/.


 No.2871766

>>2871763

Also, making Sakai threads should be a bannable offense


 No.2871781

>>2871730

racism as we know it today (basically a pseudoscience that tries to link race to Autism Level, crime statistics and bullshit like that) was the ideology of the dominant class during the XIX century. It was literally developed by bourgeois to justify their imperialism and to gain support for it. Racism is ideology as Marx conceived it. In this sense, you fail if you attribute inherent racism to white men, specially white proletariat.

And no. I'm not european, or even north american. I'm a spic from south america.


 No.2871999

>>2871762

>Fuck off falseflagger

<Everyone who calls out S*ttlerscum is fake!!1!1!1!!1!11!!1

Typical Settler mentality, brushing aside the concerns of POC


 No.2872078

>>2871999

get niggered white boi


 No.2872130

>>2871730

>This just further proves the reactionary and nearly unalterable quality of the white reactionary mind (99% of Europids).

NiggerMengele strikes again!


 No.2872131

File: 8dee3584217114f⋯.jpg (44.94 KB, 513x600, 171:200, El_Cher_5.jpg)

>>2871999

>typical settler mentality


 No.2872134

Has settlers become the radlib bible?

>>2867432

Nick griffin is more class conscious than most radlibs


 No.2872136

>>2872134

Yes, it has. At least for radlibs larping as maoists


 No.2872142

>>2872136

And especially Nazis larping as radlibs


 No.2872164

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>>2871999

>POC

Please read what Malcolm X had to say on that.


 No.2872167

THERE🙏IS🙏NO🙏WHITE🙏PROLETARIAT🙏


 No.2876153

>>2872164

Malcolm X was obviously settlerized, even his first name is of Settler origin. He wasn’t serious in his work. You have to reject all that is Settler, relink with your Afrikan roots


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 No.2876160

I have never read settlers and I never will because the very concept of decolonization is anti-materialist drivel that is reactionary and a tool of divisiveness used by petite bout academia to keep working class people hating each other. This thread is pointless and even interacting with the concept of decolonization is stupid we should literally just ignore them and bully them when we are forced to interact with them.

Not reading replies to this


 No.2876170

>>2867351

Mein Kampf is overwrought and boring. It's only worth reading to see where many anticommunist tenets come from, such as the ludicrous death tolls (Hitler said the USSR had already killed 30 million people).


 No.2876251

>>2876160

Lol Sankara was a Harvard professor huh?

It's a good book, you should read it. The subtitle is stupid but it was written in a time period where people didn't just read headlines. I'm Irish-American and it's portrayal of us is spot on. It's especially important to read now since it explains why your uncle is an ardent Trump supporter when he spent 50 years of his life working for scum like Trump.


 No.2876253

>>2871721

White Americans (and Australians, South Africans, Israelis, etc.) are put a step above the black and colored proletarians so they punch down instead of up. You cannot organize any kind of left wing movement in those countries without acknowledging that (e.g. universal programs will always be more popular because programs aimed at the poor will be seen as handouts to niggers).


 No.2876261

>>2870279

It wasn't empty at all. The population rebounded from the diseases and Europeans brought horses and guns which made life easier and enabled population growth.

The Indian Wars were huge. If it wasn't for bad luck, a lack of unity, and a naive trust in the British the US would have never spread past the Ohio River. Settling the west was doable because of a concerted well organized and difficult effort by the US to crush the Indian fighters and push the rest onto crappy land and shove Christianity down their throats.

Read Autumn of the Black Snake.


 No.2876263

>>2867459

>I'm just going to link the last thread because Sakai was already completely btfo on nearly every claim he made, especially in regards to historical claims which Ismail pointed out.

Thank you Anon.

>>2869765

>because the letter 'c' isn't prominent in many main african languages. the 'k' in amerika implies that it's a fascist country and the 'k' in afrika implies unity i guess.

Now that's what I call retardation.


 No.2876266

>>2876153

Kek, the false flag(ni)gger got himself entirely out

Fuck off /pol/yp


 No.2876270

>>2876263

>My white spooks didn't get BTFO'd y-y-y-y-you did.

Lol, finally some push back from all these recovering /pol/yps that find refuge in ML theory.


 No.2876273

>>2867459

>The Charnel House review is complete shit, but the other 2 are more well-made. Inevitably, they rely on complete strawmans of the book, such as the idea that Sakai says there is no class contradictions between the white labor aristocracy and the Euro-American bourgeois ruling-class, which the book makes explicitly clear has had several points of conflict. What Settlers *DOES* argue however, if you get passed how mean Sakai is to huwite people, is that the labor aristocracy has no revolutionary consciousness of its own and must be led by other sections of the proletariat. In America, this is racialized EXCEPT for a very small portion of whites such as in West Virginia, who very commonly did have revolutionary consciousness and understand the extraction of resources from their region clearly. It's the reality of their everyday life. However Sakai elucidates this tradition as not being completely left-wing and radical: there has been numerous opportunisitc, white supremacist and nationalist movements amongst this population of people. This is due to the machinations of American capitalism, demanding the loyalty of whites, disrupting consciousness. Someone only needs to look at the prevalence of white supremacist organizing in those regions and find it. One example is the Populist Party, which switched from showing solidarity with black tenant farmers to being viciously opposed to them in a matter of years for more votes at the polls. This is where "petit-bourgeois character" but "proletarian" relationship to the means of production comes in. They, by themselves, organized into reformist blocs. The CPUSA did this as well, sidelining their more radical Eastern European and Italian membership, at the time considered nonwhites and savages. If you want someone who would definitely disagree with Sakai back this up, read James P. Cannon's "First Ten Years of American Communism" where he gives his firsthand account of the power struggles over party line in the 20s, especially on early black socialist movements that had their roots in expropriating slaveowner property illegally.

>I mean honestly guys, you should read the book, or at least the part where Sakai gives props to the IWW's white members. None of this thread has even quoted Sakai unless it's his correct view on how class and race in America are linked.

>Give me Sakai quotes where he's being a racist, or un-marxist, or whatever, and explain how.

Lol this is from the very thread you posted.

DupMLCrackers BTFO'd.


 No.2876274

>>2867371

>The whole superprofits theory is extremely shaky as you need to proof a correlation between ramped-up imperialism and the extension of social programs and high wages. Such a correlation does not exist ipso facto even though it could be proven in some examples.

Like where do you think the wealth to fund those programs is coming from? And why have whites consistently remained class unconscious and even frustrated attempts at revolution at worst and implicitly approved it at best. How many whites voted for Trump?

Inb4 most whites didn't vote.

Not voting isn't an endorsement of revolution, it's more likely just apathy, since you could write in your own name or vote for some fringe party.

How many white people care about open slave markets in Syria?

The reactionary mindset of whites isn't inherent to their race, but it is very much characteristic of them at this point in time and has been since at least the end of the Civil War.


 No.2876293

>>2867351

Lmao, how could you find the 20th century version of a Gaia blog post better than fucking Kapital?


 No.2876295

>>2867925

But.. the kid still isn't guilty


 No.2876379

>>2867434

Don't be sending them back here. We don't want no Yankee Puritans back. Kill em!


 No.2876400

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>>2876274

I'm well aware that the Western wealth is built on colonialism and imperialism, but my point is TWism and postcolonial theories are wrong because there is no relation between wages/welfare in the West and imperialism in the Global South. There are plenty of examples where social programs were cut while imperialism was on its peak (such as under Reagan and Thatcher).

Secondly, superprofit theory is implying that the laws of capitalsim are somewhat different in the Third World. I think this is bullshit. Capitalists usually pay a labourer the full value of their labour power, when sweatshop workers are paid shittily it's because their value of their labour power is so low. Exploitation rates are actually higher in the First World because labourers here produce far more value.

If class consciousness is linked to whiteness as a concept, how do you explain that Portugal in 1974 almost had a communist revolution while their colonies like Goa had a bourgeois revolution?


 No.2876403

>>2871721

>Amazing how you can't realize that.

The reason why these goons can't realize that has something to do with an intuition of disdain they have for the working class as a whole. This disdain is put into them from being born into petit-bourg families and not something they consciously reflect on, it's a reflexive and intuitive thing to them and reading "theory" like Sakai is just there in order to justify these deeply ingrained spastic antisocial reflexes they have and already had long before getting interested in politics/economics. They "identify" with the poorer parts of the world because it's something far away and that makes it ideal for projection, especially if you are too dumb/lazy to learn another language. Then you can just let your imagination run wild and fap to that. They don't actually give a shit about the black worker because he is too much like the white worker. They can identify with the black business owner because he reminds them of their dad and they can identify with black lumpen trash rappers who are all about doing drugs all day long because that's where their own life is headed.


 No.2876535

>>2876403

Proof that everyone who slams Sakai is a boomer.


 No.2876538

>>2868025

He slams Bacon in settlers, lmao. Didn't even read it, huh?


 No.2876636

>>2867459

>I'm just going to link the last thread because Sakai was already completely btfo on nearly every claim he made

>https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2824598.html

Thanks. I especially like this exchange, it really shows what kind of people we are dealing with:

<The book is literally about white labor's relationship to ruling-class white supremacy as a settler garrison. What do you think it means when Foster calls them a 'race of strikebreakers' during the St. Louis riots, Copernicus?

<you're actually not taking William Z. Foster at his word when he threatens black workers with genocide

Then comes the guy with the actual source:

>https://archive.org/details/greatsteelstrike00fostiala/page/208

>The chapter on race relations begins on page 194. The stuff specifically about Negros begins on 205.

>>So serious was the race situation in the steel strike that the National Committee for Organizing Iron and Steel Workers requested President Gompers to arrange a conference between prominent negro leaders and trade-union officials, to the end that proper remedies may be indicated. The need for action looking towards better relations between whites and blacks in the industrial field should be instantly patent; for there can be no doubt but that the employing class, taking advantage of the bitter animosities of the two groups, are deliberately attempting to turn the negroes into a race of strikebreakers, with whom to hold the white workers in check; on much the same principle as the Czars used the Cossacks to keep in subjection the balance of the Russian people. Should they succeed (…) that would be highly injurious to the white workers and eventually ruinous to the blacks (…) the unions will have to meet the issue honestly and broad-mindedly. They must open their ranks to negroes, make an earnest effort to organize them, and then give them a square deal when they do join. Nothing short of this will accomplish the desired result.

>>2876273

>>Give me Sakai quotes where he's being a racist, or un-marxist

Sakai literally doesn't know or either deliberately misrepresents what the word proletariat means (it means the same as working class). You can see that in that thread.


 No.2876893

THERE IS NO WHITE PROLETARIAT

READ SETTLERS BY J SAKAI

READ WILLKAM LUTHER PIERCE

AMERICA IS A NATION OF SETTLERS AND COLONIALISTS

READ SIEGE

READ CONAN THE BARBARIC

READ LORF OF RINGS

(*ooga booga*)

 No.2877258

>My white spooks didn't get BTFO'd y-y-y-y-you did.

>Assuming I'm anywhere near white


 No.2877346

>>2876636

Sakai doesn't use a Marxist framework because he doesn't come from a Marxist traditions, he's part of the post-colonial/post-structuralist school, he's more akin to people like Frantz Fanon, but unlike Sakai, Fanon is actually good.

If it were for these people, we would have to destroy all hospitals because they were built by white supremacy and instead go to a witch doctor. All these indigenous, post-colonial "Marxists" are absolute cancer and engage in a literal blood-and-soil policy.


 No.2877364

>J. Sakai

As*an-Am*ricans are peak liberalism made flesh and bone. Every time I hear about one of these chinks they're ranting about how someone asked them where they were from or whatever. It's nuts.


 No.2877411

>>2876636

>Sakai literally doesn't know or either deliberately misrepresents what the word proletariat means (it means the same as working class).

Yeah this isn't true at all. This is common sense really, proletarians have no property (no means of production and NO LAND) and thus HAVE to sell their labor for a wage. Settlers, as the name implies, have a relationship to the land that others don't, and even those who worked for a wage had a quick road to petite bourgeois status that european proletarians didn't have because of the plentiful amount of land available. Eventually this became less true as the population of immigrants increased and thus there was an authentic proletarian movement among european immigrant proletarians which sakai does write about. However, this ended when european immigrant proletarians and the original petite booj united to create the modern labor aristocracy and its definition of whiteness, the ideology of A CLASS, the petite booj and labor aristos united to exploit the rest. This is undeniably a marxist analysis, and the idea of a privileged strata of workers that reap the benefits of colonialism can be found in the work of marx&engels themselves. The american labor movement was undeniably dominated by racism, and the only debate is a matter of degree.


 No.2877625

>>2877411

>>>Sakai literally doesn't know or either deliberately misrepresents what the word proletariat means (it means the same as working class).

>Yeah this isn't true at all.

What did you mean by that, is it:

A: "I didn't know that proletariat = working class in the works of Marx and Engels."

B: "I didn't know that Sakai has explicitly claimed that proletariat != working class."

Given the rest of your post I suppose you already know that A is not correct, so here is the evidence for B:

http://libcom.org/library/when-race-burns-class-settlers-revisited-interview-j-sakai

>Now, there obviously is a white working class in the u.s. A large one, of many, many millions. From offshore oil derricks to the construction trades to auto plants. But it isn't a proletariat. It isn't the most exploited class from which capitalism derives its super profits. Far fucking from it. As a shorthand i call it the "whitetariat".

(There is actually insight to be had in that interview: The part about his crappy experience with the Asian American anti-racist pseudo-maoists and their radlib supporters would get many nods here if posted without name, since it seems to describe woke twitter + Sakai fans so very well. Starts with the paragraph "A number of years ago, I was trying to help a group of young Chinese-American activists…" and ends with this one, "Maoist group really did get their Andy Warhol-like '15 minutes of fame'".)


 No.2878124

>>2877625

If you receive surplus value on top of your wage and can easily pass into petite bourgeois status through the real estate market and stocks, you are not proletarian and you are not "working class", you are a parasite. Hope that helps moron.


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>>2878124

>if you can hypothetically leave state X, you are not in state X


 No.2878148

>>2878143

They receive surplus value on top of their wages, they're already exploiters. If you actually cared to compare their wages to what's normal globally this would be immediately obvious.


 No.2878151

If you make more than 32.4k a year, congratulations you are in the global 1%. If you call yourself "working class" you are certifiably retarded.


 No.2878152

>>2878148

You are just mashing words together without knowing what they mean.

>receive surplus value on top of your wage

In Marxist analysis, wage is not another word for some sort of "fair" amount, wage means… wage. (You know what wage means in ordinary language, right?) If you meant to say that part of the wage of certain groups comes out of exploiting others, you should have said just that.

However, you also don't seem to understand what exploitation in the Marxist sense is. You seems to think (maybe I'm overly generous here by saying you "think" and you just shit out words that have a "radical" label in your simulacrum of a brain, check the result for grammar, and call it a day) that there is a "fair natural wage" (what you just called "wage") which is equal to the minimum covering survival – and that anybody getting anything above that, whether it's a gift or whatever, must be guilty of exploiting all those who only obtain that minimum. The solution that logically follows from this horse piss is that in your utopia of eternal justice everybody should have an income just barely above starvation level, irrespective of what is technically possible (since that would be "exploitation").


 No.2878155

>>2878151

<gabidalism is when I'm very sad and im a gommunisd becuaus gommunism is when everybody is equal xDD

>But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor. It recognizes no class differences, because everyone is only a worker like everyone else; but it tacitly recognizes unequal individual endowment, and thus productive capacity

Karl Marx, Critique of the Gotha Programme


 No.2878156

>>2878151

>If you make a little over minimum wage in a western country, you are not working class

This is fucking retarded. Why not just throw out Marx while your at it or any concept of worldwide proletarian revolution. People in Western countries make more because their labour geographically and skill wise is more valuable, that's it. It has nothing to do with favoritism or wanting to pay them more cause "reasons".


 No.2878160

>>2878152

I'm not talking about a "fair" wage, I'm talking about the level of wages needed be defined as exploitation. Labor aristos literally receive more than their labor is worth, therefore they are exploiters.

>People in Western countries make more because their labour geographically and skill wise is more valuable, that's it.

Imagine actually believing this. Read Lenin or Samir Amin or any other book about imperialist super exploitation, or better yet kys.


 No.2878168

Imagine the whole world making as much as whitey thinks he's entitled to. It's literally impossible, there is not enough labor or resources to sustain that.


 No.2878171

>>2878160

>Labor aristos literally receive more than their labor is worth

WHAT YOU CALL WORTH IS EQUAL TO THE WAGE THAT JUST COVERS WORKER REPRODUCTION AND IF TURNED INTO A PARAMETER FOR A WORLDWIDE PLANNED SOCIETY WOULD AMOUNT TO OPTIMIZATION OF THE GROWTH OF A PLANET-COVERING MACHINE IN WHICH HUMANS THEMSELVES ARE COGS PRODUCED WITH THE MINIMUM NECESSARY AMOUNT FOR THE SAKE OF THE WEALTH OF THE MACHINE


 No.2878178

>>2878171

No, I'm saying that these workers make more than they would if they owned the means of production. They're literally bourgeois and companies that hire them only make profit because of imperialist rent.


 No.2878181

>>2878160

>The person needing to trade his labour power for a wage is actually an exploiter

You have to be a falseflag

>Read Lenin

You actually read Lenin, he would completely reject this idea of the proles in developed countries being exploiters themselves.


 No.2878183

>>2876403

>You're just jealous of white people.

Image believing this.


 No.2878186

>>2878178

>make more than they would if they owned the means of production. They're literally bourgeois and companies that hire them only make profit because of imperialist rent.

>Minimum wage workers would make less in socialism

>They are literally bourgeoisie despite in no way fitting the definition of one

>The companies that hire them don't even need them, they make enough money from imperialism

Stop, I can only take so much retarded.


 No.2878187

>>2878178

>No, I'm saying that these workers make more than they would if they owned the means of production. They're literally bourgeois

You are saying they are literally bourgeois because they don't own the means of production and if they did own the means of production they would be less bourgeois?


 No.2878188

>>2876400

>If class consciousness is linked to whiteness as a concept, how do you explain that Portugal in 1974 almost had a communist revolution while their colonies like Goa had a bourgeois revolution?

It's not linked to whiteness you butt hurt honkey. Colonization was based on race, giving white people LAND in said colonies and making their class interest align closer to porky than to workers.

Portugal probably almost went commie because it's workers for fully proletariatized, meaning, NO LAND, and NO EQUITY IN ANY PROPERTY MoP or otherwise.

While Goa HAD colonists with land, so the landed worked aligned with the bourgeois to create a capitalist revolution.

Wow that one anon is right, the only way you faggots know how to rebut Sakai is by strawmanning him, I'm not even a "Settler" supporter or anything.


 No.2878189

>>2877346

>

If it were for these people, we would have to destroy all hospitals because they were built by white supremacy and instead go to a witch doctor.

This reads like some right wing tier caricature. Is post-colonialism really some sort of weird anprim ideology? I just assumed it was a reaction to colonialism.


 No.2878192

>>2878186

You see, western capitalists exploit the third world by employing workers there sitting in air-conditioned offices in Europe and North America and let the elites of these countries that they are in cahoots with extract surplus from the workers there using big invisible straws to suck the surplus value out of people on other continents. Then the biggest exploiters of them all, the white working class, enters the picture. They storm the glass towers of Manhattan, London and Frankfurt to demand their own share of that sweet surplus from the sweat of the black man. So the poor yuppies have to suck twice as hard as they otherwise would, and the real tragedy here is that they just wanted to do good and develop Africa with that surplus, but the greedy white worker keep on stealing that.


 No.2878194

>>2878187

I mean they already own the means of the production as the rest of the bourgeoisie does albeit in a different form, and therefore they receive surplus value from others labor. If they lived in socialist society and owned the means of production that way, there is no way they could make as much.

>>2878186

>Minimum wage workers would make less in socialism

Yes, first world minimum wage workers would make less in dollar terms but would pay far less for healthcare and rent and would be fairer labor conditions, so their lives would improve somewhat. But not nearly as much as the rest of the world.

>The companies that hire them don't even need them, they make enough money from imperialism

Just as companies need management and law enforcement and all sorts of jobs that are actually a fetter on production. And yes, profits would literally fall below zero without imperialism. That is why worldwide marxists take it so seriously, the end of imperialism is exactly the same as the end of capitalism.


 No.2878197

>>2878194

>I mean they already own the means of the production as the rest of the bourgeoisie does albeit in a different form

>as

meaning same

>albeit in a different form

meaning not same

You a right of course. They own the means of production, albeit in a different form, the difference being that they don't own them. The logic here is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of New Math most of the theory will go over a typical labor aristocrat's head.


 No.2878198

>>2878181

>In a letter to Marx, dated October 7, 1858, Engels wrote: “…The English proletariat is actually becoming more and more bourgeois, so that this most bourgeois of all nations is apparently aiming ultimately at the possession of a bourgeois aristocracy and a bourgeois proletariat alongside the bourgeoisie. For a nation which exploits the whole world this is of course to a certain extent justifiable.”

Lenin quoting Engels approvingly about that labor aristocracy you don't believe in


 No.2878202

>>2878197

Just as one can own shares in a company and yet not have the all the rights of largest shareholders, there are different levels of ownership here. It's perfectly reasonable if you think for two seconds. Do you really think american oil rig workers would make the same in a socialist society?


 No.2878213

>>2878181

>this idea of the proles in developed countries being exploiters themselves

>>2878198

And here's Lenin's text: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch08.htm

>This clearly shows the causes and effects. The causes are: (1) exploitation of the whole world by this country; (2) its monopolist position in the world market; (3) its colonial monopoly. The effects are: (1) a section of the British proletariat becomes bourgeois; (2) a section of the proletariat allows itself to be led by men bought by, or at least paid by, the bourgeoisie.

Lenin is clearly not referring to the whole working class in the richest countries here. Lenin is not condemning the working class of the rich countries as exploiters.


 No.2878216

>>2878202

>different levels of ownership

Just like there are different levels of income and that's what class distinction is after all to a liberal.


 No.2878231

>>2878213

Of course it's not the whole first world working class, not then or today. He's saying a section of the proles are exploiters and they hold influence in the labor movement. That section today is far larger than it was back then, to the point that it's a majority. It is fair to say the some difference can attributed to geographical location and productivity, but the share that imperialist rent holds is massive, up to 25% of the GDP of first world countries. And considering they receive some share of this increased productivity, rather than being payed at the level of labor power as is common in the rest of the world, it's fair to say that at the very least they're not exploited in the way Marx envisioned.


 No.2878338

>>2878188

>It's not linked to whiteness you butt hurt honkey.

I specifically wrote "whiteness as a concept" you dumbass.

>Colonization was based on race, giving white people LAND in said colonies and making their class interest align closer to porky than to workers.

This doesn't explain all the incidents when white settlers allied with black workers/slaves against their masters. Not every white person became a land owner, and there was a significant of white slaves as well, and don't forget the workers that were regularly brutalized in Europe and in US.

https://www.amazon.com/White-Cargo-Forgotten-History-Britains/dp/0814742963

Whites who got plots of land to sustain themselves are not proletarians, they are semi-peasants or petit-bourgeoisie, you don't need some retarded post-colonial wizardry to explain that, basic Marxist terms are enough. This doesn't negate racism as a concept (especially occurring after many blacks became Christians, making the heathen argument obsolete), but please be aware that racism has always been part of the superstructure.

>Portugal probably almost went commie because it's workers for fully proletariatized, meaning, NO LAND, and NO EQUITY IN ANY PROPERTY MoP or otherwise.

The Estado Nuovo was a literal fascist-colonial entity on a small scale, it sustained its welfare systems through casinos in Macau and exports to Goa. Secondly, do you or Sakai have any source that proletarisation didn't properly occur in the US for whites, at least in the 19th century? You can still be a home owner and be a proletarian btw.

>>>2878189

>This reads like some right wing tier caricature. Is post-colonialism really some sort of weird anprim ideology? I just assumed it was a reaction to colonialism.

You can find plenty of these types on Twitter. Also don't discard the hundreds of "indigenous activists" who self-identify with post-colonialism and Marxism who hold lectures about their ancestral worship - again, I'm not saying that it's bad to hold a lecture about indigenous ancestral worship but it is bad when you politicize it and make it part of your identity. Just look at Unruhe, a self-declared anti-IdPoler believing in economism and how he thinks he's oppressed because he's part of the Sami.


 No.2878347

So full disclosure, I'm making this argument as a White American.

My problem with the "Settler" descriptor is, well, it's so abstract! Almost every nation on earth was founded by people settling and at times displacing the previous peoples. Germanic kingdoms supplanted the old Roman state, Mongols overran Persian and Chinese empires, Anglo-Saxons supplanted the old Celtic peoples of Britain, Bantus overran numerous other African ethnic groups (long before European powers meddled below the Sahara), I've even heard it said that many of the "Black" peoples in post-colonial Africa are actually new arrivals, some even more than the Europeans–but I'll take that statement with a grain of salt.

The frontier was considered "settled" by 1890, that's nearly 130 years of American history when there was no real "settler class" in the strictest sense of the world: swathes of frontiersmen guarding the federal government via violently repressing indigenous tribes on the borders and slaves within the state.

Worse than that, there's a disturbing trend of logic I see from most Settlers supporters where they seem to take the far-right at face value and want essentially every paranoid fantasy the far-right have about the left to actually be true. In essence it's saying "Yeah, the far right ARE the legitimate defenders of white civilization" instead of the fringe lunatics they are.

Worse than that, one can read settlers and arguably infer that America's problems lie in not destroying minority groups completely, after all if there were no tribes people or slaves to "defend ones' homestead (really the federal government) from" then it follows there would be no distinction between "settlers" and "the proletariat", in essence it's not that the crimes happened that are the issue with the settlers, its that they left any survivors to talk about it, that if it had been a more complete cultural destruction than there'd be no racial conflict to disunify the proletariat or what have you.

It reminds me of how you'll get these white nationalists like Jared Taylor, the really soft-spoken, polite ones, and they'll say "look even if you DO think that Trayvon Martin was totally innocent and unjustly gunned down, if we just segregated people by race there would have been no encounter between Trayvon and Zimmerman and both would be alive and happy today."

Look the issue of race isn't an easy one in America, and it might be one of the biggest obstacles to a unified labor movement, but I don't think its insurmountable, and I think that the conclusions Sakai apparently draws are dangerously similar to the worst kind of paranoiac fantasies of a racist, that "Muslims have no reason to not commit crimes because the left privileges them as 'oppressed poc'" is not altogether, I think, different from "Whites have no reason to support communism because they are labor aristocrats"

I would know, because I spent a lot of time as a far right nutjob, and coming away from that insanity was a seriously difficult journey. I would say Whites are no different from any other breed of Proletarians, they're cynical and find most politics to be an exercise in hopelessness, no more or less informed than any other group, and certainly I've never met a person today who legitimately believes we get any "benefit" from wars overseas other than the "defending muh freedoms" meme.


 No.2878350

>>2878231

“First world” proletarians gain almost nothing from imperialism in the current day. The neoliberal order which has been in power for nearly 40 years now, and whose austerity measures accelerated after the fall of the Soviet Union, have ensured that whatever imperial loot that might have been given over to their nationals have been cut off.

This is an outdated analysis used by left-nihilists in hopes that the “third world” will make their revolution for them.


 No.2878372

>>2878350

You're right that the neo-liberal order has meant the deterioration and shrinkage of the labor aristocracy, and perhaps this trend will wipe it out someday, but you're massively exaggerating this process and to say that it's complete is utterly absurd. Take this account of t-shirts made in Bangladesh from John Smith's Imperialism in the 21st century:

>In The China Price, Tony norfield recounts the story of a T-shirt made in Bangladesh and sold in Germany for €4.95 by the Swedish retailer

hennes & Mauritz (h&M). h&M pays the Bangladeshi manufacturer €1.35 for each T-shirt, 28 percent of the final sale price, 40¢ of which covers the cost of 400g of cotton raw material imported from the united States; shipping to hamburg adds another 6¢ per shirt. Thus €0.95 of the final sale price remains in Bangladesh, to be shared between the fac-

tory owner, the workers, the suppliers of inputs and services and the Bangladeshi government, expanding Bangladesh’s GdP by this amount.

The remaining €3.54 counts toward the GdP of Germany, the country where the T-shirt is consumed, and is broken down as follows: €2.05 provides for the costs and profits of German transporters, wholesalers,

retailers, advertisers, etc. (some of which will revert to the state through

various taxes); h&M makes 60¢ profit per shirt; the German state cap-

tures 79¢ of the sale price through VaT at 19 percent; 16¢ covers sundry “other items.” Thus, in norfield’s words, “a large chunk of the revenue

from the selling price goes to the state in taxes and to a wide range of workers, executives, landlords, and businesses in Germany. The cheap T-shirts, and a wide range of other imported goods, are both affordable for consumers and an important source of income for the state and for all the people in the richer countries.”

Almost as much money from these t-shirts goes to welfare payments and free college for german citizens as stays in Bangladesh, while even more goes to all sorts of middle class professions that are totally useless like marketers and middle management. To pretend that no surplus value reaches German proles is just insane.


 No.2878388

File: 62c039faa022f24⋯.jpg (162.13 KB, 640x360, 16:9, 1446435798831.jpg)

Honestly, I think being born in a first world country is akin to being born part of the lower nobility. Sure, there were poor nobles and there were rich commoners (literally the origin of the word bourgeoisie), but by and large where you were born determined the rest of your life.

The difference between being born in Congo and between being born in Sweden is massive, and to claim there is some sort of solidarity between them because both are workers is absurd. The life of the first-worlder is sustained by the superexploitation of the third worlder. And time and time again we see first worlders, specifically first world proletarians, restricting access to the resources they enjoy: And make no mistake, the so-called "proletarians" will vote to put children in cages to cling to their small amount of privileges rather than show any solidarity with their supposed class-brothers against the bourgeoisie.

Our system of nation-states and the way citizenship is defined is the modern day version of nobility and titles. You literally cannot debate this.


 No.2878390

>>2878372

The fact of the matter, however, is that in your example German proletarians are still being exploited. The amount of 'exploiting' they do in the form of unknowingly benefiting from imperialism is massively less than the amount of surplus value that is extracted from them by German capitalists. Claiming that first world proles are exploiters because they gain a small amount of welfare, a small amount of which is in turn derived from imperialism, is a bit like arguing that any prole who owns a few measly stocks and shares is suddenly a member of the exploiting class. It's absurd.

In addition, this third-worldist analysis totally ignores the fact that imperialism was being practiced in the first-world even at the time when the communist movement was strong there - back when communist parties in Germany, France and Italy were nearly winning elections their proles were still benefiting from imperialism. Russia was imperialist at the time of the Bolshevik revolution, with the European Moscow/Petrograd part exploiting the natural resources of the east and the south. But that didn't stop revolution there.


 No.2878393

>>2878390

>because they gain a small amount of welfare, a small amount of which is in turn derived from imperialism

Welfare is one of the smallest benefits they receive, you're deliberately ignoring my point. Like people say if Walmart workers received the full value of their labor they'd make 50 dollars an hour. But who the fuck is really worth 50 dollars an hour it's totally absurd. In a common sense way, imagine if all the fruits of labor and natural resources were distributed evenly among everyone on the planet. If that happened you wouldn't make much more than 10k a year. Of course healthcare costs and rent would be massively cheaper than it is now and would total less than a tenth of your income, and you'd work less and things would be more democratic and we'd figure out something to do about the environment blah blah blah but there would be the real trade-off of not having the access to the massive amount of consumer goods that first world proles now enjoy. The idea that everybody could drive around in personal vehicles as is normal among first world proles is just bonkers.


 No.2878395

File: f79580a62dda8be⋯.png (267.34 KB, 1051x374, 1051:374, china_millennials.png)

>>2878393

What matters is purchasing power and living in the first wold is incredibly expensive. The comprador elites of the third world buying up real estate in the first world are contribute to that significantly.


 No.2878397

>>2878395

Have you actually compared purchasing power between first and third world workers? Like people make the dumbass point that you can get a loaf of bread for massively cheaper in the third world, ignoring that it's still a much higher percentage of the third world worker's income. Yeah sure comprador elites are higher on the totem pole than first world proles who cares.


 No.2878401

>>2878393

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17512040

World's average salary is 18,000 in PPP dollars (taking into account that it is cheaper to live in the third world).

https://www.findcourses.co.uk/inspiration/articles/average-salary-uk-2018-14105

UK avarage salary is £29,000, which is just over 20,000 PPP dollars.

So if you take into account costs of living as >>2878395 said, you'll see that this disparity is not as massive as it seems


 No.2878403

>>2878401 (me)

However in fairness, this world average salary is only taking into account waged workers, not small farmers who make up most of the people in extreme poverty. However, those farmers rarely benefit imperialism because they don't work for multinationals so their existence is irrelevant to the point at hand


 No.2878406

>>2878397

I am not sure, but I remember talking to another Serb who mentioned that 1kg of beef in Germany is about 5+ eur, while in Serbia it would be around 6eur depending where you get it.

If we take into account that the average salary in Serbia is about 300eur a month (mostly lower) and in Germany afaik it's about 2k eur.

Though I'm not sure if this really counts, since Serbia isn't really considered third world.


 No.2878407

>>2878401

http://mccaine.org/2009/01/17/on-the-living-costs-in-the-third-world/

>The price of bread in Ghana is 0.6 Cedi (this is the minimum price guaranteed by the state), which is $0.46. The American price of bread is $1.28 (given as average price in an article in the Boston Globe, dated 09-03-2008.). The average daily wage in Ghana is $1. The minimum hourly wage in the United States is $6.55 (federal minimum); assuming eight hours of work, we get $52.40.

>Now all you need to do is calculate how many local loaves of bread one local day of work is worth, to compare. We see that one day of work buys the American minimum income worker $52.40/$1.28 = almost 41 loaves of bread (40.94). One day of work for a Ghanaian average worker buys him $1/$0.46 = a little over 2 loaves of bread (2.17). Therefore, the cost of living (expressed in bread) is much higher in Ghana than in the US.

>But, it will be objected, there is more to living costs than merely food prices. Bread may in the parts of the world where this is the common staple food serve as an acceptable proxy for the costs of food, but another major expense is the costs of housing. What of this? It must first off be noted that in terms of housing comparisons are much more difficult to fairly make. Bread is bread everywhere and everywhere essentially the same, but housing costs vary enormously. Not just because of the differences in amenities common in the housing units, but also because of the differences in land prices, due to the influence of land rent. This in turn is affected by a great many variables, from effects of crime to proximity to work and urban areas, as well as environmental factors and so on.

>Yet we need not despair for our analysis entirely. The LA Times fortunately has some information in their article of 26-03-2007 on the slum living of illegal immigrants near Los Angeles. They give the example of a family which earns $10.000 a year and pays $360 a month in rent. I’m not sure if this is household income, but I think so. Rent then is 43.2% of their income, monthly and yearly, for the equivalent of an illegal hovel. From Kenya we have info on slum living, assuming the source is accurate, from a Pambazuka News article of 03-07-2007 by Humphrey Sipalla. The cost of rent is here given as KES 2,693 monthly, which is at current exchange rates $34.26 (this just to give an idea). According to the article, this represents 22% of their income, I assume also applies to households. If this is accurate then, the housing cost in a Kenya slum is just under half of what it is for illegal immigrants in California (22% versus 43%). But it would have to be 1/20th, i.e. ten times as cheap, to remove the difference in living costs altogether. Of course rents account for differences in costs as mentioned, but comparing Nairobi to the Los Angeles area seems to me not so unfair as to undo that entirely.

this is just an excerpt, read the whole thing. bbc article lists all the ways the average peepee dollars is dumb anyway, just use your common sense cmon its easy


 No.2878408

>>2878407

fug it i'm posting more of this

>We may conclude then from this example, comparing the expenses in major cities in the United States (for average people and poor people respectively) with the living costs in food and housing in Ghana and Kenya respectively, that the common idea of the living costs being much lower in the underdeveloped world is wholly false. Indeed it makes that appearance because the prices, when valuta are calculated according to exchange values on the market, are indeed significantly lower in the Third World – the bread in Ghana costs one-third of what it does in Boston. However, our naive friends in the developed world forget that the incomes in the underdeveloped world are so much lower than theirs, that 1/3rd of the price is for them over 20 times the relative cost.

>On a final scientific note, it must be taken into account that there is good evidence that the currencies of underdeveloped nations are undervalued by exchange rates in comparison to their value in terms of purchasing power. The nominal exchange rate of 16-01-2009, which is the one that I have used, is likely (as any nominal exchange rate) to undervalue the currencies of underdeveloped nations compared to their purchasing power. This has no particular implications for the living cost comparison I have undertaken, but it does affect international trade between, say, Ghana and the United States, because it means Ghanaian wages as well as prices are undervalued compared to American ones in the exchange rate, causing the terms of trade to tilt strongly in favor of the United States. Gernot Köhler’s research, described in “The Structure of Global Money and World Tables of Unequal Exchange”, in: Journal of World-Systems Research 4:2 (Fall 1998), p. 145-168, indicates in the appendix that the estimated loss as percentage of GNP (PPP) on the part of Ghana and Kenya is respectively 30% and 35%. If currencies were equalized according to PPP, the relative value of the Cedi would be much greater, increasing the relative price of food in Ghana compared to the United States, but also increasing the relative value of the wage. This would not of itself necessarily alter the proportion between wage and food costs within Ghana (aside from changes in the market caused by changes in international trade in the longer run, which are outside the purview of this article), but it would to a significant degree remove the false impression on the part of citizens of developed nations about the low costs of living, because they would experience the local prices as much higher.


 No.2878419

File: 9ebd05e248cac8f⋯.png (429.61 KB, 593x616, 593:616, 9ebd05e248cac8faeca6a4cc78….png)

>>2878407

>The minimum hourly wage in the United States is $6.55 (federal minimum)

lmao the absolute state of of burgers


 No.2878421

>>2878406

German here, probably true. When I went to Hungary I was shocked to find out that most items in the stores were not even the same price as in Germany, but actually higher. I have no idea how people survive there with their wage that's five times lower than here. The problem with Germany is that we have one of the lowest rates of home ownership and rents are exploding, so it's normal here that you spend over half your paycheck on rents, but even then you still end up being much more comfortable than our fellow Eastern Europeans.


 No.2878428

>>2878231

>home owners can be working class

Yeah, most American home owners don't have a cow in the living room and a field of wheat on the roof.

>>2878372

>t-shirt story

This would be compelling if the shirts in Hamburg were somehow sold to the people of Bangladesh. When a German worker buys a shirt and pays the price, you look at that money, estimate a huge chunk of that going to the German shop owner and German landlord (correct), then you say that there are Germans who are just leeches in the process of selling the shirt (correct), then you try to smuggle into that conceptual group the guy buying the shirt. If the shops in Germany get away with rising the prices and still selling well, according to your bugged argument the person buying a shirt benefits from that.


 No.2878443

>>2878428

Didn't say anything about the people buying the shirt moron. It's marketers, longshoremen, retail workers, etc. plus those who receive the tax money in the form of government services and transfer payments.


 No.2878603

>>2878395

Foreign purchasers aren't driving housing costs up. That's a meme. While they exist there simply aren't that numerous make a dent. Housing costs are going up because westerners turned housing into an investment strategy for the bourg.


 No.2878790

>If the shops in Germany get away with rising the prices and still selling well, according to your bugged argument the person buying a shirt benefits from that.

>>2878443

>Didn't say anything about the people buying the shirt

That's exactly the point. Walk through the scenario and come up with a counter-argument; and if you can't come up with a counter-argument, don't pretend you have one. The change to consider: Bangladesh delivers at the same price as before, the German shops raise the price. So the market value per shirt at the point of sale to the end consumer is higher now. Who benefits? What would be in line with your "analysis" so far is this:

<The market value minus what the people in Bangladesh get is shared by the Germans, so now that the difference is bigger all the Germans are richer now and they have more money for free college and so on.

My problem with above pink statement is that it is completely retarded. It is understandable that you didn't give your model's explicit answer to the charge, perhaps you had a feeling that thinking through the question would lead to a result that you wouldn't want, so you stopped thinking at that point. This is not the way to figure out anything about how the real world works, son.


 No.2878891

>>2878790

No, you don't understand the argument at all. The consumer doesn't matter at all here, as the consumer can be literally anybody. They don't have to be working class or even German. Your other point about the cow and wheat on the roof is retarded as well, the point is that you can make hundreds of thousands just sitting on a house and enter the bourgeoisie that way.


 No.2878919

These are the best threads, there will be no white leftists in 20 years.


 No.2879142

>>2878891

You got asked a simple question. You did not answer. You got asked again. You did not answer. Here it is, again: Compare the price in Bangladesh to the price the stuff has in the German shops. Who pockets the markup? You seem to believe that the price difference is the proof of exploitation and that the size of the difference corresponds to the size of a surplus extracted from Bangladesh which then gets used for things like "welfare payments and free college" in Germany, and the higher the markup is, the more the German public at large benefits from that.

>you don't understand the argument at all

I indeed don't, because there is a bug in your argument. If you can't fix the bug, why is that?


 No.2879251

File: 4fa1140e99f9f9a⋯.png (341.29 KB, 1200x463, 1200:463, ClipboardImage.png)

important message to white first world leftists


 No.2879531

>>2867318

>It isn’t nearly as bad as you make it out.

Suckai literally makes shit up in order to serve his narrative. Settlers is trash from beginning to finish.


 No.2879551

>>2878388

Look up the Barons' Wars. Lower "nobility" get exterminated the same as the working class when they no longer serve a purpose. Even if the Western working class was entirely a "labor aristocracy," that means absolutely dick in terms of class struggle.

Also Sakai is a hack fraud and his soft brain supporters should be banned for their bourgeois idealism.


 No.2879876

A Maoist-Third-Worldist who is living in the first world shops for clothing. He sees a nice shirt and tries to haggle over the price with the clerk:

>I shouldn't pay so much. I have studied the structure of international trade and I know what it costs to make this in Bangladesh. On its way to here, all sorts of useless parasites add fake costs to its price. I know you can sell it much cheaper to me and it's not like you would starve then.

As he's says that to the clerk, he's waving a big book on international trade in her face. The clerk looks to her left and right, then comes closer and whispers:

<I see you are a true intellectual who sees through all the bullshit of this society. I'll make you a very special offer if you don't tell anybody. We negotiate a special price, and then you get back 10 % of the special price, so we will both profit from the high price.

She rubs her hands and winks at him. The Maoist-Third-Worldist gets excited and sweats profusely, almost as much as one hour earlier when he was jacking off to the pornographic drawings of female third-world guerrilla fighters with questionable anatomy which are hidden in his big book.

>Make the price as high as possible then!


 No.2880028

>>2878338

>Just look at Unruhe, a self-declared anti-IdPoler believing in economism and how he thinks he's oppressed because he's part of the Sami.

Really? pls link


 No.2880218

>>2879142

It depends on if the mark-up in your scenario is matched by increased social spending and wages. The point about the guy buying the shirt benefiting isn't smuggled, in fact there's the exact amount of tax revenues to back it up, at least half of which go to social spending. There's also the fact that retail and shipping jobs are among the most common in first world economies so that overlap there is not unlikely. You're right that it's theoretically possible the shirts are marked up so high that the guy buying doesn't benefit anymore, but considering that the price of consumer goods like these have consistently gone down, that isn't really plausible here.


 No.2880240

>retail and shipping jobs are among the most common in first world economies

Think about this for a second. Why are jobs selling and moving stuff more common than manufacture? If exploitation in the first world was comparable with that in the third world, they'd just make them in the first world and benefit from superior productivity. The only reason to ship a shirt from the other side of the world is massive labor arbitrage.


 No.2880339

>>2880218

>It depends on if the mark-up in your scenario is matched by increased social spending and wages. The point about the guy buying the shirt benefiting isn't smuggled, in fact there's the exact amount of tax revenues to back it up

Congrats, you are mathematically illiterate.


 No.2880484

>>2880240

>Think about this for a second

You might want to spend longer than a second thinking about it


 No.2881826

File: 26e1bc2c1c522e2⋯.jpg (20.29 KB, 500x313, 500:313, 1554699959154.jpg)

anyone who thinks white working class people "oppress" people of colour is fucking retarded and spooked out of their mind


 No.2881845

File: 004650d0a0d6f64⋯.jpg (19.13 KB, 400x400, 1:1, 004650d0a0d6f640e0411c2262….jpg)

>>2880240

You statement about exploitation being of a "different character" doesn't follow. Wages don't correlate with the exchange value of the produced commodity, the cost of labour power equals to what the capitalist must pay the worker that he comes back to work on the next day. In Bangladesh you can pay a worker four dollars a day to make him show to work. In Germany everybody would laugh into your face and continue to get government gibs. The liberal assumption that low wages = higher rate of exploitation is un-Marxist.

To give a concrete example: Someone in a car factory in Europe controls a few machines which assemble diesel engines. Within three hours, he's produced a diesel engine worthy of, let's say, 10.000€. Within three hours, the sweatshop worker in Bangladesh sews ten t-shirts, which have an exchange value of 3€ each, plus shipping costs they sold for 5€ in a textile discounter. Even if we assume wages for the people shipping it don't exist, the textile worker who may earn 1€ per hour (again, being generous), this would be his/her rate of exploitation:

1€ per hour = 2€ in two hours

10 t-shirts sold at 5€ each = 50€

The textile worker produced 50€ of value, while earning 2€, that means his/her rate of exploitation is 96%.

Looking at the European car factory worker:

Let's they earn 20€ (high wage, again, I'm being very generous) per hour. This means they earned 40€ within two hours.

10.000 ÷ 100 = 100

40 ÷ 100 = 0,4

That means the European car factory worker rate of exploitation is 99,6%! Much higher than sweatshop worker's.

Sweatshop work is profitable - no doubt. In Europe, they'd have to pay a textile worker much more, obviously. This is why textile factories in the West are either automated or outsourced into the Third World.

This doesn't mean that sweatshop work is not inflicting more misery onto the worker than labour in developed countries. But it proves that the theory of "superexploitation" is bullshit.


 No.2881848


 No.2881863

Earnest defense of j. Sakai should be an instant ban tbh


 No.2883954

File: ecfaebc2b337e46⋯.jpg (38.41 KB, 716x348, 179:87, D53krdJXsAApP1Y.jpg)

File: 4de80484d769113⋯.jpg (52.56 KB, 625x440, 125:88, brg_retard.JPG)

File: 246f0c1fe4a2549⋯.jpg (33.33 KB, 625x346, 625:346, brgkolfs.JPG)

>>2867483

and his twitter takes are absolutely wild


 No.2883956

Someone explain settlers to me and why its shilled. Do people really believe there are no white proletariat? That's utterly retarded.


 No.2883958

>>2883956

Yeah, they litterally do. They think that entire white working class is labor aritocracy


 No.2883959

Also what does this j. Sakai look like? I googled him and all I'm getting is Japanese porn actresses and JAV


 No.2883960

>>2883958

*white working class in the US


 No.2883961

>>2883958

>>2883960

But was it written by a black guy who hates whites or some Nazi circlejerking how superior white people are?


 No.2883962

>>2883954

I'll COLONize your dad for bumping the thread after the third-worldists gave up.


 No.2883963

>>2883959

LOL. But actually nobody knows how he looks. Many people even think that he doesn't exist.

Here is his interview on KPFT pacifica radio: https://archive.org/details/J.SakaKPFTInterview


 No.2883964

>>2883961

It was written by asian guy. I don't know if he hates whites. But I think he is asian version of mentioned here Black red guard.


 No.2883971

>>2883956

It portrays hundreds of years of historical complexity as one long campaign by "white people" to systematically murder and displace "people of color" and from this hitlerite conception of history comes to the conclusion that because white people are marginally better off than non-white people, whites constitute a unified class of exploiters. It's anti historical, anti materialist nonsense dreamt up but a racist and believed by other racists.


 No.2884034

>>2867356

Yeah but how is that not true? Its true even today, look at most Trump supporters. Some of them are the poorest in the USA and yet they still pick Trump because they want to maintain white settler colonialism. What's the biggest obstacle anyone faces when arguing for socialism to white people? Not anything technical, its the argument that socialism is a jewish plot to genocide white people and give "their land" (which the USA and Canada aren't even their land, they're stolen illegitimate states) to the darkies and muslims.

Even on the left, look at certain brosocialists who claim to be revolutionaries, but can't even give up saying "fag", "tranny" or "nigger" because for them not alienating other comrades is idpol, or something. How many of these so called anti-racist and pro-native socialist orgs did you see yesterday take even two seconds to tweet about MINW day? Zero, not a single one. But they all found the time to make endless memes about marx.


 No.2884040

>>2884034

>Yeah but how is that not true? Its true even today, look at most Trump supporters. Some of them are the poorest in the USA and yet they still pick Trump because they want to maintain white settler colonialism.

Most of Trump's supporters were middle to upper middle class people. Shut the fuck up.

>Look at the brosocialists blah blah

shut the fuck up


 No.2884045

>>2884034

You do realise that this is a talking point the right-wing memed into existence? Poor working class people do not vote right, in any country. Working class people are not racist dumb bigots both the liberals and the right-wingers want you to believe.

I mean for god's sake not even tve Nazis came to power witb overwhelming working class support. It were the petty bureaucrats, petit-bourgeoisie and other milieus that voted for Hitler.


 No.2884052

>>2884034

>look at most Trump supporters. Some of them are the poorest

>some of them

So more than zero. Demographic analysis is something else. The poorer you are, the less likely you are to vote at all. That's the general pattern.

>What's the biggest obstacle anyone faces when arguing for socialism to white people?

<capitalism at its worst is behind us & if socialism is so great, where did the USSR go & muh incentives & corrupt politicians would ruin it

>Not anything technical, its the argument that socialism is a jewish plot to genocide white people

You think that is the common opinion of generic non-voters, mainstream conservatives, Clintonites? Stop smoking crack.


 No.2884099

File: f1cead12631feea⋯.jpg (19.96 KB, 297x268, 297:268, 89ff6e16e48aa24aa60719b6d9….jpg)

>>2883954

>idpol, radlib and pomo are the new n word


 No.2896682

Settlers is just Mein Kampf for wokelets.

PROVE ME WRONG


 No.2896700

>>2884034

>alienating other comrades is idpol

can you woketards find a new strawman


 No.2896705

>>2896700

>Bumping this thread

Out of all the threads that may have needed saving, this was not the one.




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