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 No.2869800

I have come to realize that some of the analysis Marx makes can be applied a bit wider

The quote that

>"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles."

is significantly less an accurate analysis of history than that of

>"Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks."

However, this applies not just to capital, but to general machinery and technology. The creation of technology both implies the creation of further technologies in competition and efficiency increases, and importantly, it also implies the consumption of human labor invested permanently in the creation of said technology. We can completely cut the bourgeois capitalist from capitalism and still have the necessity of machinery to reproduce itself at the expense of the human laborers. The design of capitalism can be made consistent with that of capital itself taking up the class against which the laborer works with the bourgeoisie (and in fact the other ruling classes as well) taking up an essentially parasitic role on the reproduction of technology.

We are, therefore, acting in the service of capital and technology to destroy the bourgeoisie regardless of our own role in it, because the bourgeoisie are acting as parasites slowing down the development of machinery. We are even now seeing that the reproduction of machinery is struggling against the will of the bourgeoisie to maintain the current economic system because they are aware that further mechanization of society is going to cause severe economic issues.

The ultimate result seems to be that humanity is going to invent itself out of existence and there really seems to be no way around this. The only other proposition seems to be that humanity must merge itself with machinery in a transhumanist resolution to the machine/human class war(?).

 No.2869818

isn't this what nick land talks about?


 No.2869821

>>2869818

I honestly have no idea what Nick Land talks about.


 No.2869828


 No.2869834

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>>2869829

>not recognising the illuminati's final plan


 No.2869837

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>>2869821

Take this image. Remove Hegel and replace him with Heidegger and Deleuze. Now take DMT in Shanghai while staring at said image. Congratulations, you now understand accelerationism


 No.2869839

>>2869836

You cannot just unplug the machine for much the same reason the capitalist is driven to oppress the worker and reproduce his capital. I don't propose that machinery is just "useful" but that, as a force multiplier of not just labor, but of every process of humanity, it requires its own usage through its existence. Tools demand usage.

>>2869828

Interesting, though I do point out one point

>If capital truly escapes, then, it would be through a break with its status as an end, and this would entail nothing less that the concrete separation from the system that maintains it as such.

This is the entire concept of Von Neumann machinery, that it is no longer simply the tool of humanity but self-replicating systems in and of themselves.


 No.2869842

Also I really don't just mean "machinery" as in robots and other self-powered devices. I genuinely mean every tool humans have ever made in the entirety of history has been a part of this. The spear implies the atl-atl; through the development it requires its own reproduction as an improvement over the spear, and so on and so on.


 No.2869844

>>2869839

yes, i believe nick land is prophetic of an overlord AI which is the inevitabile result of technological reproduction coming to a centralised brain hub of sorts. The operations of capital will come in service to itself in anti-human conscious terms.


 No.2869846

>>2869842

this is precisely an idealised imagination of Plato's forms. All is descended from divine forms of utility and all fracture into such use in material plane and so on and so on.


 No.2869855

>>2869845

It's not primitivist, it's a refutation of primitivism that suggests that no matter what, we are forced to develop our technology unless we completely abstain from ever touching a tool ever again. Seeing as a tool can be as primitive as a stick, I rather doubt this is feasible.

>>2869843

The market is but one system of evolutionary pressure. Even if we abolish the capitalist, the market, money, etc. we are not free from evolutionary pressures that force us to strive for ever greater ability or perish. This just happens under capitalism because capitalism creates its own system of evolutionary pressures.

>>2869846

I actually was thinking more along the lines of Aristotelan thought at the time what with the distinction between life and tools as tools have a teleological cause that life does not. I suppose you could make that but I'm not specifically arguing for the "forms" of greater technological development, rather that new technologies are developed from the internal and external relations of each technological idea as they must develop.


 No.2869859

>>2869855

> we are forced to develop our technology unless we completely abstain from ever touching a tool ever again.

Also this actually includes non-human species too, such as crows or octopi, really, it's just that humans are so much more developed for this that we're able to sprint where they can barely crawl.

Even if humanity wipes itself out, crows will eventually develop AI.


 No.2869865

I suppose that this means that the dialectical relationship between life and death results in machines?


 No.2869870

>>2869866

I am not talking about simply "capitalism" in itself. What I mean is that the development of tools implies further development and refinement of tools regardless of whether you "want" to do that or not.

> hell I even dare to affirm that we could have capitalism without the development of tools

>we could have capitalism without capital

I beg your pardon, what?


 No.2869872

>>2869855

well nick land says that if the destiny of capital has been understood, then we should accelerate the processes of production for the sake of reaching it's limits, for it's own sake. He points to how China produces capital, but also stabilises it through authoritarian government, he says that this is the future of the liberal government - Zizek also agrees that this state organisation is a probable future for the west.

This is the understanding of deleuze, in how capitalism deterritorialises all things, and how these factors lead to it's own destruction, but also, deregulation is chaotic and dangerous, whereas land takes a particularly anti-anthropocentric take on it.


 No.2869880

>>2869873

Ah.

I don't mean that the development of tools is equal to capitalism, but rather that capitalism is a stage of tool self-development that co-exists with, drives, and even surpasses the development of human society.

>>2869872

I have genuinely been thinking of the idea of development towards an entirely new type of capital for the sake of ending capitalism by making what I was describing as "lightweight capital", for the specific purpose of acceleration. Although I was planning on implementing it in a market system to end the market system.


 No.2869885

>>2869882

Yes, I don't disagree, the point I'm making is that if we take historical materialism seriously, we're not looking at the development of human society, we're looking at the development of tools.


 No.2869889

>>2869886

Oh, sure, I absolutely agree, but the point there if we start seriously looking at it is that humanity ends up forming the superstructure of this cycle and that the base of unliving machines do not actually need us as an absolute.


 No.2869896

>>2869895

My dude, you are too caught up in looking solely at capitalism. That is not the point here. The point is to take a look at historical materialism in a long term sense.


 No.2869901

>>2869896

Put another way, if you are looking solely at how capitalism operates, yes, what you are describing happens. However, if you look at human history as it is developed by its own usage of tools, capitalism is now just a stage of the continuous material base of machinery self-replicating through living beings.


 No.2870060

>>2869837

I doubt accelerationists read Deleuze.




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