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 No.2871020

Thread for discussing and posting everything related to the intelligence and security agencies of socialist countries/unions.

As a side note, edgy "secret police" memes are an untapped wellspring that we should be doing more of.

 No.2871028

>As a side note, edgy "secret police" memes are an untapped wellspring that we should be doing more of.

my dude the nkvd were a necessity for combating subversion and american espionage but nothing to be praised, their secret divisions had as much accountability as the cia


 No.2871032

jews


 No.2871053

>my dude the nkvd were a necessity for combating subversion and american espionage but nothing to be praised

Is this not something to praise or at the very least acknowledge as proper for the times?


 No.2871055

>>2871053

Obviously meant for

>>2871028


 No.2871084

>The Cheka performed what they called "gloving" which involved placing a victim's hands in boiling water, pulling them out, and cleanly peeling off the skin resulting in a pair of skin "gloves"

>they would strip people naked outside in the middle of winter and spray them with freezing water which resulted in human ice statues in a matter of minutes

Based


 No.2871087

>>2871084

shit's all fucked up


 No.2871109

>>2871084

I suppose if it gets the job done

Though tbh, a lot of what the Cheka is accused of is super exaggerated. That seems reasonable enough however, though I doubt the ice sculptures.


 No.2871118

>>2871109

I'm not sure if all of that is true, but tsarist Russia was violent as fuck, and a lot of shit that seems incredibly shocking now was routinary back then.


 No.2871125

A comrade once said about the Cheka: "Terror without direction is barbarism". China didn't have anything like the Cheka, and they had regular lynch mobs, which is something we must avoid.


 No.2871128

>>2871118

“People before me were shit, so I’m allowed to be shit as well.”


 No.2871137

>>2871128

I'm sure you'd have saved the revolution with flowers and chocolate boxes.


 No.2871139

>>2871137

Not him but i think no respect should be given to the methods of previous socialist authorities, i mean we already know torture is less effective than other methods. At the very least i guess we should defend the soviet state by arguing conditions were dire.


 No.2871140

>>2871139

>very least i guess we should defend the soviet state by arguing conditions were dire.

If the conditions were dire enough to warrant it, then respect in the sense of understanding they did what they needed to do should be given.


 No.2871141

>>2871140

That wouldn't really be respect, not sympathy either, i don't know the word exactly but i guess "understanding" is a much better term, to take them as not justifications, but rather as explanations of why they did it.


 No.2871197

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>>2871118

Reading Kotkin's biography of Stalin made Tsarist Russia seem like the Wild West.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zXKtfKnfT8


 No.2871200

>>2871118

This tbh. Whether it was pogroms, the forced labour camps (oh you don't think the bolsheviks invented the GULAG did you?), the general banditry, or landlords killing their serfs for stealing loves of bread: Tsarist Russia was as violent and repressive as the worst of Stalin era russia.


 No.2871203

>>2871197

A good comparison tbh: mostly because of Russia's rural nature a lot of it was. Like Makhno was an outlaw-style bandit, and he lived in "civilised" Ukraine.


 No.2871319

The Russian Federation alone has more policemen than the whole USSR used to have. The policemen per capita has basically more than doubled. I don't know why people have this pathological belief that (secret) police in socialist countries are worse than capitalist ones.


 No.2871898

>>2871084

>The Cheka performed what they called "gloving" which involved placing a victim's hands in boiling water, pulling them out, and cleanly peeling off the skin resulting in a pair of skin "gloves"

Bullshit that's physically impossible, not to mention counter-productive

> strip people naked outside in the middle of winter and spray them with freezing water which resulted in human ice statues in a matter of minutes

Never read anything like that being done by the Cheka. The Nazis DID do this during WW-2 to soviet soldiers however, such as General Karbyshev and 400 of his men.


 No.2871909

>>2871898

ALL NAZI WAR ATROCITIES ARE REAL, SOVIETS ALL FAKE


 No.2871910

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>>2871909

This, but unironically


 No.2871921

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>>2871909

It's Nazi projection.


 No.2871954

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>>2871909

>ALL NAZI WAR ATROCITIES ARE REAL, SOVIETS ALL FAKE


 No.2871955

>>2871909

The true redpill is realizing that all Soviet war atrocities were actually Nazi war atrocities deliberately misattributed to Soviets.


 No.2871960

>>2871955

Are you joking or is there an example of this?


 No.2871975

>>2871960

Katyn Massacre is a Nazi massacre and the soviets were framed. The West initially did not think it was the soviets, but after WW-2 picked it up for anti-soviet propaganda during the Cold War


 No.2872005

>>2871975

Plus, recent attempts to investigate the Katyn massacre have been denied.


 No.2872269

>>2871975

then why did the russian goverment under putin admit that it hapend and that it was coverd up for many years


 No.2872273

>>2872269

putin is an anticommunist


 No.2872307

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>>2871020

In addition to secret police, there should also be a mass system of revolutionary collective vigilance, the eyes and ears of the revolution against capitalist subversion. Such as the inminban in the DPRK or the CDR in Cuba of which a significant percentage of the population are members.


 No.2872318

>>2872273

The funny thing about Putin is a anti communist in his country, but a communist ally with international politics.


 No.2872758

>>2872269

>why did the russian goverment under putin admit that it hapend and that it was coverd up for many years

Because they're anti-communists and it fits their agenda. The Katyn 'cover up' was a fake created during the gorbachev era as one of his excuses to demonize the soviets indirectly by "admitting crimes" and thus help the process of the perestroika to dismantle the USSR.


 No.2872773

>>2871975

Either way, those officers were reactionaries.

>Millions of Poles were killed in German death camps throughout the war, and with considerably less sustained outcry from the London government.

>Indeed, only that very month the Germans were annihilating some 50000 Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto rebellion, and far less was heard from London on this matter.

>Katyn was an infinitely more sensitive issue because the men killed there, as Polish underground leader Tadeusz Bor-Komorowski described them, 'had been the elite of the Polish nation . . .,' that is to say, the friends and family of the exiles in London.

>Whoever destroyed the officers at Katyn had taken a step towards implementing a social revolution in Poland

>, and on the basis of class solidarity, the London Poles felt one officer was worth many Jews or peasants.

- Gabriel Kolko, The Politics of War: The World and United States Foreign Policy, 1943–1945. (1968) p. 105.


 No.2872775

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 No.2872778

Katyn should've been worse

CHANGE MY MIND


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 No.2875678

Honestly the western forms of counter intelligence are better. COINTELPRO and West Germany's old counterintelligence systems should be used


 No.2876314

>>2871125

China has a ministry of state security


 No.2876329

>>2871197

It more or less was outside the really big Cities like Moscow and Petrograd


 No.2876418

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 No.2876599

>>2871020

> "secret police" memes are an untapped wellspring that we should be doing more of.

this 100%. A song {https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJD3J1xBN0E} about killing the opposition has so much more power than "we wuz oprrushin"

>>2871028

READ MACAHAVELLI


 No.2876688

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>Leftypol hates police

>Leftypol loves police


 No.2876691

>>2876688

They represent the people


 No.2876692

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 No.2876695

>>2876688

>hates the enforcing arm of states they hate

>likes the enforcing arm of states they like

Not exactly a contradiction.


 No.2876696

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>>2876688

>defenders of the capitalist state and bourgeoisie.

>defenders of the socialist state and the dictatorship of the proletariat

Obviously we would support one and oppose the other


 No.2876697

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Is smug laughing an argument, Mr. "lmao, no people with guns to threaten reactionaries"?


 No.2876698

>>2876696

>>2876695

>believing that marxism calls for a the creation of state when it actually calls for the abolition of a state


 No.2876699

>>2876698

>when people use force they're creating a state

become an ancap


 No.2876700

All of this has been argued before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militsiya

"Functionally, Ministries of Internal Affairs are mostly police agencies. Their functions and organization differ significantly from similarly named departments in Western countries, which are usually civil executive bodies headed by politicians and responsible for many other tasks as well as the supervision of law enforcement. The Soviet and successor MVDs have usually been headed by a militsiya general and predominantly consist of service personnel, with civilian employees only filling auxiliary posts. Although such ministers are members of their respective countries' cabinet, they usually do not report to the prime minister and parliament, but only to the president. Local militsiya departments are subordinated to their regional departments, having little accountability before local authorities."


 No.2876702

>>2876699

>using the term socialist state unironically


 No.2876708

>>2876702

You can never abolish the "state", as it's just an informal connection of people

https://archive.org/details/tradeunionisminu00hoxi/page/n6


 No.2876712

>>2876708

t.never read marx


 No.2876713

>>2876712

>never left armchair


 No.2876721

>>2876713

>believes Stalin implemented socialism


 No.2876731

>>2876721

>believes internal security isn't a thing


 No.2876737

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>>2876698

more like the abolition of the bourgeois state by the proletarian state (dictatorship of the proletariat) which emerges in a revolution, and it withering away when the conditions for it are present.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch01.htm#s4


 No.2876745

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>>2876737

Anarchists have historically established/seek to establish a defacto vanguard (Makhno and Durruti making large decisions)through technocracy, but they're just too retarded to realize .


 No.2876746

Black Volga was some wild shit


 No.2876749

>>2876721

You should honestly read Stalin.

I look at the institutions he made possible for one. Take the DDR constitution, for example, something that Stalin had undoubtedly input in. Articles 6 - 18 outline in law all of the progressive bs that modern democrats harp on today. You can say all you want about how the USSR and its puppet states kept people in line via secret police or that this is propaganda but the reality is that the percentage of police within these state was made up of far less of the total national population than most of the world today.

The states and industry that the Soviet people built had enshrined within them fundamental socialist ideals. You can't ignore that the USSR effectively kept the US and capitalist domination in check and forced reform after reform on them simply by existing and thriving in spite of them.


 No.2877705

>>2876314

Formed in 1983.




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