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File: 908c5299309eb7d⋯.jpg (55.35 KB, 660x371, 660:371, _94794175_janitors.jpg)

 No.2886760

BO Resignation

I am going to resign from the BO position very soon and give control over the board to one of the current volunteers. I sent a message about this to the volunteers who were active about a month ago, and have been discussing with them since. If there are any volunteers who resumed activity recently and want to be considered for the position, please PM me with info about how often you are usually on /leftypol/, how you would intend to run the board, and so on. You'll get equal consideration on those grounds. As well, all interested volunteers please PM me with your Tox ID and times you will be able to get in a group chat (next three days preferably).

I made this board almost five years ago. At the time I knew very little about communism or anarchism, and I was a vague leftist. My main goal in running the board was to create a popular place for any kind of leftist discussion. The fresh OC, unique memes, shitposts, arguments, and perspectives were really fun and often educational, and I thank users here for spamming the "read a book" memes, which actually did make me (and many others on the board, I imagine) read a lot of books. During this early period, I wholeheartedly contributed to the OC and culture of the board like everyone else, and it's a minor point of pride for me that people still repost OC I made daily.

There were downsides to the naive/hands-off moderation approach, such as the massive promotion and shilling of one big US military base in Syria, Bernie, Nazbols, and similar trash that took place. As I read books and educated myself, I realized what a mess I had created. Maybe the existence of a board like /leftypol/ was inevitable on 8chan, or things could have turned out differently with people going to /marx/ or /anarcho/ instead. In any case, I tried to discourage and get rid of the worst posters, which turned into a protracted fight and even a board split, with a lot of people complaining. /leftypol/ still has ups and downs in spite of general improvements, but I think the abysmal quality of /leftpol/ shows it was the right choice. Some posters have accused me of never visiting the board, only logging on to ban people. I still post here daily. Some of my favorite threads to post in have been the DOW thread, Cockshott generals, DPRK general, "questions that don't deserve their own thread," and others. A lot of people here don't share the view that /leftypol/ actually could be harmful if people were allowed to post imperialist propaganda here, either because they think /leftypol/ is just too small (it never has been, as there are a lot of lurkers on top of the 3-day IP count), or people aren't impressionable to what's posted on imageboards or the internet (with the way things are going in politics in general, I don't know how you could seriously believe this). I hope that there will be a smooth transition when I resign, but in the end it will be out of my hands.

8chan in general is a cesspit. The site admins are fascist scum who cooperate with US law enforcement, and the codebase is so wretched that it's almost certainly backdoored by the feds ten times over (it was even hacked by some rando). The interface that's presented to mods is incredibly antiquated and slow. Imageboards inherently make people act like they have ADHD. Trying to maintain quality on /leftypol/ is frequently a sisyphean task. The only upsides to the site from a leftist perspective are that you can easily post through VPNs, you have some degree of anonymity, and it's better than reddit. Communists who post here or on similar sites (reddit, twitter, etc) should ask themselves if it's really OK that they waste so much time on re-hashed, "ephemeral" arguments, and whether it's possible to create a better platform for propaganda that is really educational and liberatory. I think a better discourse is possible and I want to eventually work towards that, but I can't do that while simultaneously moderating /leftypol/. The amount of time before we are all permanently fucked by fascism and global warming is really limited. Make the most of it.

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 No.2886762

Extremely based.


 No.2886764

Thank you for your service supreme comander of the board faggot BO.

You did a good job and will be forever remembered.

Wordfilters still suck.


 No.2886765

File: 8588e405c467587⋯.jpg (36.67 KB, 564x564, 1:1, 8588e405c467587fb6dc9b6143….jpg)

Thank you for finally deciding to leave, too bad it's about 3 years too late after you decided to wreck the board yourself.


 No.2886766

I'm a newfag who only discovered this board a couple of hours ago, but thank you.


 No.2886770

>>2886760

Thank you for all you've done.


 No.2886776

File: 3100dd73f7d9655⋯.gif (8.89 MB, 480x267, 160:89, giphy (4).gif)

Thanks for all the effort. Kind of the basic problem with being on somebody else's site. I would encourage people to get off the computer and get involved out there with your fellow struggle buddies working to make the world a better place. Let a hundred flowers bloom. Later fellas.


 No.2886780

>>2886776

>I would encourage people to get off the computer and get involved out there with your fellow struggle buddies working to make the world a better place.

This also.


 No.2886783

I originally came here from 4pol to troll 3 years ago, now i'm reading lenin

you've banned me probably upwards of 30 times, sorry for being a shit head

salam comrade, you did an okay job all things considered


 No.2886785

File: d13c528eee81bbf⋯.png (43.37 KB, 188x249, 188:249, comf.png)

all power to the volunteers

may they form an effective online shitposting vanguard


 No.2886786

Watch as the number of users increases, much like /pol/ did once they got rid of their previous BO that banned everyone.


 No.2886790

This board would have been better if you didnt do that purge of anarchists and leftcoms that split the board, it would have had more posters.

But hey i guess thats ML leadership for you


 No.2886792

With that being said it takes a lot of patience to put up with moderating on this shit hole as any kind of leftist.


 No.2886796

>>2886790

Go back to leftpol if you want to see what that gets you.

Tank u fur ur cervix, BO

Unironically based


 No.2886797

>>2886760

Thanks for not letting this board become leftpol

you did the right thing


 No.2886800

File: c5b5f1e3b0863a4⋯.png (421.63 KB, 394x676, 197:338, 4 BO with luv.png)

Thank you, comrade, for all the work you've done. You made difficult but necessary decisions on the way that will have beneficial effects on the long run and will prove you right. People who supported your policies were portrayed by the liberal/idealist types as sycophants, while in fact we genuinely believed that you were doing what was best for the board. Along the way, I believe, you convinced even more.

>The Master is needed especially in situations of deep crisis. The function of a Master is to enact an authentic division – a division between those who want to drag on within the old parameters and those who are aware of the necessary change. *sniff*

And yes, the absolute state of /leftpol/ already proves you right.

>It is this myth of non-representative direct self-organisation which is the last trap, the deepest illusion that should fall, that is most difficult to renounce. *pulls on nose*

I hope you will stay as a regular shitposter. Your intellectual journey mirrors those of others in the community so it would be a shame to see you depart.

>now inb4 a democratic reformer takes over


 No.2886804

>>2886796

/leftpol/ got how it did purely because the mod team pretty much gave up. It has nothing to do with ideology. These are message boards not countries.


 No.2886806

>>2886804

>giving up has nothing to do with ideology

There are like thousands of famous counter examples to this from the 20th century, typically associated with liberal "beautiful soul," i.e. /leftpol/ types.


 No.2886807

Thanks for your contributions. This is one of the few places on the entire domain worth a damn, even if it isn't perfect.


 No.2886809

>>2886806

Yeah just like there are countless examples of authoritarians strangling their own countries much like BO did.

The failure of /leftpol/ has nothing to do with the posters that went there, it's about the absentee mod team. That split would never have happened in the first place without BO's horrible intentional mismanagement.


 No.2886810

>>2886809

>the failure has nothing to do with the posters

>it has to do with the shit attitude of those posters

Are you, like, delusionally insane, mane?


 No.2886814

>>2886810

Fucking revisionist. You guys pretended from day one it was about ideology when we all know it was about tyrannical over-moderation. Are you that desperate to lick BO's thigh-highs? When BO appoints Hoochie of all people as a mod what does that tell you other than that they're intentionally killing the board?


 No.2886815

>>2886814

[s] i miss hootchie tho [/s]


 No.2886816

Retroactively justifying the split due to the state of /leftpol/ is quite cute given that the decline of posters and good quality on both boards was a direct consequence of the actions that lead up to the split to begin with. The state of /leftpol/ and /leftypol/ are examples as to why the leadership did fuck up, not some 4D preemptive community segregation play, and regardless of your individual ideology it has undeniably made the leftist presence here (which was already weak and tenuous to begin with) nearly non-existent.

But to look forwards, hopefully the next BO can reverse the trends and lead to an increase of membership so we can be more productive than the daily (minus sunday) news threads and shitposting. But just as we should not fall for the BO's old failings, we shouldn't fall for the e-celeb shit either going forwards. Ultimately we are all autists that thrive in our natural environment of anonymity and e-celebs just have a way of shitting up everything and introducing unneeded drama.

With hope we can get around to converting some of the disenchanted reactionaries a la the old days and maybe actually contribute to the leftist cause.


 No.2886817

Yeah, fuck you for wasting so much time leftists could have spent agitating elsewhere.

You realized how retarded you were and you repented.

Honestly this board should have ban anyone for circlejerking behaviour, such as the leftytrash thread, and the news threads. Fuckers should be spamming pol and reddit with propaganda, but no, we must preach to the choir. But aswell all know, time cannot be repaid.


 No.2886818

File: 7030caa1e167eae⋯.webm (7.49 MB, 640x360, 16:9, ypj-woman-of-rojava.webm)

Biji biji Roja‌va!


 No.2886822

File: 814c6e5efa44b9b⋯.gif (15.33 KB, 80x60, 4:3, the bear walks.gif)

Where will we go now?


 No.2886823

File: 440e3c3ce6355ce⋯.gif (260.69 KB, 400x400, 1:1, 440e3c3ce6355ce44699f6212e….gif)

Thank you for informing me on another political view that it might have ignored otherwise, even if i was banned for inforgraph posting a few times.


 No.2886824

File: 4cd511f895b7ec3⋯.jpeg (63.05 KB, 500x750, 2:3, 4cd511f895b7ec318e5246888….jpeg)

It was always and will always be an uphill battle. Best wishes to you!


 No.2886825

Thanks for your service to this great board. We will miss you.


 No.2886828

>>2886824

Finally, now /pol/ and /b/ will stop calling the board owner a tranny that gave oinky blowjobs


 No.2886829

>>2886828

You know for a fact that nothing will keep them from their retardation, but the optimism is refreshing


 No.2886831

>>2886828

>implying


 No.2886835

>>2886786

>Watch as the number of users increases

That isn't necesarlily a good thing. I rather have few people than lots of /pol/yps


 No.2886836

>>2886808

>>2886819

>>2886830

Can we actually get proof on whether or not this is true? Because even at this point no one knows and the only basis is a claim that the person in a porn video is BO and that some /tv/ mod is the one getting his dick sucked, besides the fact that the /tv/ mod wasn't even the one reciting the account and it doesn't even mention BO.


 No.2886839

>>2886760

Will your future plans include dispensing more blowjobs while insisting you're not a man?

Not gonna lie, trannyBO, some of us are going to miss you. You were always a handy piece of evidence to point to regarding how being a leftist and a tranny are signs of mental illness. Good luck in your future endeavors as a cabaret dancer in Dubai.


 No.2886840

File: 6e08fac7abd9e51⋯.png (645.24 KB, 804x548, 201:137, bo hanging.png)

Well hopefully things can only get better without this dumb perma-arseblasted cunt

I hope you kill yourself in your next fit of neurotic panic


 No.2886841

>>2886814

>they're intentionally killing the board

Such conspiracy theories read like what a CIA plant would try to pull to split a communist community, tbh.

>>2886816

>good quality on both boards

>the old days

Apart from a very few effort threads the general quality was pretty horrendous from the very beginning here and even worse on /leftpol/, to be tbh, famalam.

>Retroactively justifying the split due to the state of /leftpol/ is quite cute

You say this while you paint the picture of the never existing beautiful past of this board. At least BO has a concrete case to point at while you pull this arch conservative ideological trickery.

>made the leftist presence here (which was already weak and tenuous to begin with) nearly non-existent

1. our numbers back then were already bloated during and because of the US elections. If you were a channer and came close to being a moderate progressive this was the place to follow the elections.

2. 8chan itself lost a lot of users due to a plethora of reasons.

>leftist presence

If you want a community inflated with Bernie enthusiasts, Trump-hating and Russia-fearing democrats, Democrat Cops of America idpollers, and not to mention right winger just be honest about it. That means that you and I want a different kind of leftypol. I'm not against growth, mind you. I'm against unprincipled "all is welcome, all will be fine" bullshit EXACTLY BECAUSE when it is tried out AND FAILS AS PREDICTED your kind will deny that there was a cause and effect. (In this respect your kind is more damaging to our cause than reactionaries, but I'll not go into this further.)

Some of us has watched 4/pol turn from ironic and harmless jew jokes to sieg heiling and mosque burning under the aegis of free speech™ and would rather not see the results repeated.

>Ultimately we are all autists

No, we are not. And stop using this as an excuse for being the shit you are.


 No.2886843

File: 4abcdf9cccc4deb⋯.png (8.91 KB, 500x500, 1:1, 406.png)

>>2886760

>The site admins are fascist scum who cooperate with US law enforcement

I'm not exactly a /leftypol/ user (saw this thread on /b2/), and I would have merely lurked if not for this statement.

Jim Watkins is married to an Asian woman. He willingly moved to a developing country with a tiny white population. He has mixed children. He openly condemns white nationalist terror. He works with a man with severe physical disabilities caused by genetics. He allows a board for leftist ideas to exist on his website.

You can disagree with him letting /pol/ exist, but calling him a fascist or even far-right is simply not true and any single one of these points should be enough to prove that.


 No.2886845

>>2886843

>he does it for free


 No.2886846

>>2886845

I don't like the yoga pig, but he's most certainly not a fascist.


 No.2886849

File: 51e2e9bb525c8d5⋯.jpg (44.63 KB, 1080x720, 3:2, Hipster-1.jpg)

Remember VINYL? Man, those wore the REAL shit, man. Remember leftypol before the split? Man, those were REAL times, man. Oh, you coffee is ready, man. Peace.


 No.2886850

>>2886842

Were they?


 No.2886852

>>2886843

>Implying any of these things negate being a fascist

I can tell you've never had the unfortunate experience of reading a nat soc discord


 No.2886853

>>2886851

Proof?


 No.2886855

>>2886852

No, I don't use Discord because I'm not a fucking faggot

Most NEETSocs don't even know what Nazism or fascism even is, they just hate gays and minorities. Jews especially.

If you actually described Hitler's economic policies to them they'd probably call you a socialist or a cuck. I'm not a NutSac myself, mind you.


 No.2886856

Can we please not drown this thread with tranny pig BO memes.

I mean, BO is going to get his ass ripped open in this thread for being a retard for years anyway.


 No.2886858

>>2886856

Having never used this board myself, what was wrong with this BO? I'm seeing some people ITT happy about it who seem to be regulars.


 No.2886859

>>2886836

No, the goth blowjob girl isn't me. I never bothered to refute it because it's fine by me if /pol/ misdirects themselves, and they wouldn't listen anyway. We banned people for posting her pics/videos for the obvious reason that it's spam/shitposting.


 No.2886860

>>2886858

He sperged out and banned everyone, causing a split that produced /leftpol/, then went on to ban people left and right for the rest of his existence.


 No.2886861

>>2886855

>If you actually described Hitler's economic policies to them they'd probably call you a socialist or a cuck.

I doubt it, considering he privatized the economy beyond belief and persecuted unions. Unless you mean NutSacs are so politically illiterate they think everything is socialism, which I can agree with.


 No.2886862

>>2886859

This reminds me. I always wanted to ask. What was the most hilarious experience you had while in service?


 No.2886863

File: ef977b9c3b87549⋯.jpg (102.55 KB, 1422x712, 711:356, thanos balance.jpg)

>>2886860

So he's basically the lefty version of ImKampfy (/pol/'s old BO)? Interesting.


 No.2886864

>>2886760

>BO Leaves after turning the board into a shadow of its former self.

Don't let the door hit 'cha where the Good Lord split 'cha.


 No.2886865

>>2886863

I've only heard that /pol/'s old mod was also a power abusing retard, yes, they might be similar. Didn't /pol/'s user rate increase when that guy resigned?


 No.2886868

File: 492d64c7c68de7b⋯.webm (3.35 MB, 640x480, 4:3, 492d64c7c68de7be98340995e….webm)

>>2886867

>and will always will


 No.2886870

>>2886867

Yeah it really showed in 1945


 No.2886871

>>2886861

>Unless you mean NutSacs are so politically illiterate they think everything is socialism, which I can agree with.

They think Ron Paul is a liberal because he doesn't want to imprison everyone, what do think you think I mean? Despite being rather far on the right, I don't mind talking to lefties. A good friend of mine is an active socialist. I think politics driving everybody apart is one of the worst things to happen culturally in the past 15 years.

>>2886865

"Power abusing retard" is putting it lightly. He banned 8chan's admin when he told him to cool it. /pol/ soared when he was ousted, but it's gotten much worse now with all the boomers and Qtards.


 No.2886872

>>2886814

This

I could give BO the benefit of the doubt on everything except making that uber lol cow a mod.

Making Hootchie a mod also makes me think BO is a woman. Only a woman could identify with that hardcore schizophrenia.


 No.2886874

You were alright BO.


 No.2886875

>>2886871

>I think politics driving everybody apart is one of the worst things to happen culturally in the past 15 years.

I think people fighting for a change could be the best thing culturally to happen in the past 15 years, sadly it has been more along the lines of petty culture wars, really.


 No.2886876

>>2886841

>Apart from a very few effort threads the general quality was pretty horrendous from the very beginning here and even worse on /leftpol/, to be tbh, famalam.

Even if it was true that it was always shit (which is a relative judgement mind) the quantity of discussion at least allowed for more quality takes and content than what we have now, which is undeniably part of the rut we are in.

>At least BO has a concrete case to point at while you pull this arch conservative ideological trickery.

The only thing BO has to their record is that we aren't done and dusted. Also portraying the idea that the split was detrimental to the leftist cause is not the same as conservative "oh ye olden days were better". We had more discussion and activity with numbers (and some quality posters imho) whereas now the best we can manage is a couple of segregated generals where we can keep alive a few topics of discussion and sporadic news threads to keep tangentially aware of topics that aren't part of these generals. We've lost our capacity to engage in deeper ideological debate because there is little ideological depth in the current membership and less ideological diversity due to the purges. All the while the political narrative is controlled by fucking r/TD as they invade 4/pol/ and shit up the place moreso than old /pol/ could even dream. The last real impact we had in regards to theory was fucking ecelebs and most of them burnt out on their own idiocy igniting dumb conflicts and fighting meaningless battles. Which is a shame because we did have the capacity to improve people's leftist leanings and instill actual initiative to look into communism. Things may have had a lot of fighting and shitposting, but at least they were to some useful ends rather than whatever is left now.

>1. our numbers back then were already bloated during and because of the US elections

Our numbers were not merely inflated because of the election, we had a larger userbase overall with more interaction and content creation what we have now because we had people that were committed to what this place did best, part informing, part debating, and part relaxing with people you usually have some begrudging respect for or interest in.

>2. 8chan itself lost a lot of users due to a plethora of reasons.

Ultimately that is true and I'll concede that, but that cannot change that the split did damage.

>If you want a community inflated with Bernie enthusiasts, Trump-hating and Russia-fearing democrats, Democrat Cops of America idpollers, and not to mention right winger just be honest about it

How the fuck do you think we make people into leftists? Magic them out of thin air? A good deal of people who are committed now were turned leftie back before, during, or sometimes after the split, because that was what leftypol was actually somewhat good at doing. Using the community sense of the anonymous chans to cut off reactionaries and libs from bullshit and educate them on leftist theory and ideas and, in time, turn them into other people who are active on the board. Otherwise we just inevitably reach stagnation and death because without the fresh blood and the OC and whatnot, there is only so much this style of community can do. And if you are so against the style of community offered by the chans and don't want to recruit new membership in this way, why are you here of all places? If you want some kind of ideological safe space, there is more accomodating systems like reddit for you to make a subreddit in.

>Some of us has watched 4/pol turn from ironic and harmless jew jokes to sieg heiling and mosque burning under the aegis of free speech™ and would rather not see the results repeated

If you ever thought it was ironic than you don't understand the character of the infiltration of /pol/ by fashies for so long. This is what it has always been, its just mask off time for them now that they perceive a shift in the societal limits of what kind of action will be tolerated with the election of Trump. The Ron Paul NAP stuff was always a cover.

>No, we are not. And stop using this as an excuse for being the shit you are.

Aggressive much? I was using that as a self-jab at the fact that we prefer anonymous interactions to e-celeb social media shit, not as an excuse to the grand anti-leftist plot of whatever you have got in your head.


 No.2886877

>>2886854

>Actual nat soc discord

>"You can't just accuse them of being nat soc's"

k

>>2886855

Neither do I because discord is just a big data farm and talking politics on it is retarded, but I've still had to deal with following invites and making throwaway accounts to do so. Most fascists nowadays are "neetsocs", a majority of the ones who actually do stuff don't use imageboards. The few that do stuff and browse image boards pales to those who don't do anything and practice a self-described degenerate lifestyle while pathologically believing in something like fascism.


 No.2886879

>>2886876

>the quantity of discussion at least allowed for more quality takes and content than what we have now, which is undeniably part of the rut we are in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnArvcWaH6I


 No.2886881

>>2886862

1. The initial butthurt from /pol/ at this board being made

2. Hoochie

3. All the early hoxhaposting and other memes like luck of the irish, etc.

>>2886863

I would object to that, since I've never wiped the board. ImKampfy was also hilariously retarded even from a /pol/ POV, basically turning the board into /r/TheDonald. An equivalent of him would be if I banned criticism of Bernie or something, or being "ableist."


 No.2886882

>>2886873

Do you even have victories within the half-century?


 No.2886884

>>2886868

Let's be honest, though. The USSR's war plan was literally "throw people at the Germans until they die" for the first half of the war until the generals finally convinced Stalin to let them handle it.

>>2886875

People care more about what a celebrity thinks than who's in power. "Ooh, Kanye West is a Trump supporter. Ohh, Randall Munroe is a Hillary supporter" As if any of it fucking matters. One thing the far left and far right can both agree upon is how fucked the average person is getting by corporations and governments.


 No.2886885

Also I'd say BO should've stepped down maybe a year ago. We lost like half the userbase and it never recovered since the split. I do miss the fast board days sometimes.


 No.2886886

File: 7be42d6fe64c3ba⋯.png (135.97 KB, 443x395, 443:395, B3863sSCUAEp4mg.png)

I'm thankful for what you've done but my god was the split the worst thing that happened to us. I'm just glad that we can finally start to put all those things behind us.


 No.2886887

can the new BO be me?


 No.2886888

>>2886879

If you want to act like having no men to fight battles is somehow not a bad thing than be my guest, it's a quite comfortable bit of high ground to hold.

>>2886880

I felt the occasion called for some effort.


 No.2886889

>>2886841

>Such conspiracy theories read like what a CIA plant would try to pull to split a communist community, tbh.

Yes, such a conspiracy. This board used to be a fixture in the top 5 and had a reputation outside 8 Chan. It peaked once at over 2000 I unique IPs and now can't even get past 500.


 No.2886890

File: e398b9fb5634759⋯.jpg (129.32 KB, 874x1001, 874:1001, e398b9fb563475922af532ea53….jpg)

File: 238796fa90fc9fa⋯.png (148.14 KB, 520x527, 520:527, 238796fa90fc9fa252fe6cd007….png)

File: df2276d83b2db17⋯.jpg (12.85 KB, 539x549, 539:549, df2276d83b2db172d21f93f677….jpg)

File: 31464a059806fd8⋯.jpg (485.94 KB, 1600x2180, 80:109, 31464a059806fd8474ce4ddb15….jpg)

I, Anne Frank Poster, declare myself the new BO of /leftypol/

Bow before me.


 No.2886893

Why wait, leave now. Put an intern BO in charge now hold elections for the next BO.


 No.2886895

File: 77a4bb4257ccdf9⋯.gif (1017.34 KB, 480x206, 240:103, uh no.gif)

>>2886891

You suffer from the same lack of OC as us, it'd do you well to do a bit of reading on what I posted.


 No.2886896

>>2886891

>all the reddit faggots we bussed in left because they got scared off by da ebil gnatzees

Dafaq are you talking about? The board was way more Reddit now than it was in the past.


 No.2886897

File: e630f1509bc605b⋯.jpg (93.27 KB, 600x600, 1:1, baboon.jpg)

>>2886893

i nominate baboon poster


 No.2886898


 No.2886902

>>2886897

He couldn't do any worse seeing as how we're getting beat by /tv/ and TWO fucking versions of /b/.


 No.2886903

>>2886888

Checkem. No, I'm actually arguing that you suffer from confirmation bias. You saw more redlib posts before the split that conformed to your own beliefs and mistook this for "more quality posts". Effortposting has p. much been an unchanging and rare constant.

>>2886887

i vote for this guy

>>2886881

Hoochie was something else.

>>2886885

>fast board days

You still have those in happening threads (elections, market watch, peterson v. zizek debate, etc.)

>>2886889

>This board used to be a fixture in the top 5

>It peaked once at over 2000 unique IPs and now can't even get past 500.

We are consistently in top 8 on a site that is rapidly bleeding users. You realize this, right?


 No.2886904

>>2886900

>Your shit board started reddit, it is reddit, and it will always be reddit.

Lol autism, what fucking board are you even talking about?. /leftpol/?. You kidding me, there's no moderation on that board's. It was never Reddit. You lost numbers on /leftypol/ because you turned into a vulgar ML circle jerk.


 No.2886905

File: b81dcda5efeddc9⋯.jpg (26.3 KB, 266x228, 7:6, construction-worker-laughi….jpg)

>>2886893

>hold elections


 No.2886907

File: 71cab16fc4591c5⋯.jpg (88.74 KB, 854x649, 854:649, 1534635350794.jpg)

Alunya spammer is our punishment for making lewds of Alunya instead of wholesome and cute Alunya x Rodina yuri.


 No.2886909

>>2886903

>We are consistently in top 8 on a site that is rapidly bleeding users. You realize this, right?

We'd regularly have 3 times as many unique IPs. You do realize that right?


 No.2886910

>>2886907

I told u about alunya's lewds. I TOLD U, COMRADE


 No.2886912

File: 85d40d0e819240b⋯.png (68.11 KB, 1882x369, 1882:369, 1.png)

>>2886906

we were no. 6 yesterday, fyi


 No.2886915

File: 4959a6787819da6⋯.png (225.57 KB, 819x638, 819:638, leftcom cat.png)

>>2886907

>tfw still no leftcom cat lewds


 No.2886916

File: ea74265aa1625c7⋯.png (121.05 KB, 534x510, 89:85, 1.png)


 No.2886917

File: e692d051aab709b⋯.png (144.43 KB, 439x471, 439:471, 73b0cb7e1ec3e1bd02e0667db8….png)

>>2886903

>You still have those in happening threads (elections, market watch, peterson v. zizek debate, etc.)

That's hardly comparable. This board used to have much more activity and posts per hour. Now it comes down to 2 or 3 active threads


 No.2886918

>>2886912

>Consistently stay below 500 IPs.

>Only rise in ranks because /b2/ is driving away storm cucks.

Cope


 No.2886919

>>2886916

> Implying we have either now.


 No.2886921

>>2886884

>The USSR's war plan was literally "throw people at the Germans until they die" for the first half of the war until the generals finally convinced Stalin to let them handle it.

Ask me how I can tell you've read nothing about Soviet tactics and the situation they were in besides watching "Enemy at the Gates" and a 5-minute youtube video.


 No.2886922

File: f65e11a37c6f609⋯.png (846.5 KB, 996x720, 83:60, communism everywhere.png)

>>2886903

Not all good posts were effort posts. There has also been a change in the tone and attitude of the community from what interactions I have with the place still, a lot less talking to each other and a lot more reacting to things. Like the Zizek v Peterson debate, for the most part it felt more like everyone posting their takes and being done with the topic. I think its a fear of debate and confrontation due to the bitter memories of the split, but I can never be sure about it when it comes to these things. Not that I can really hold the high ground on that, I've been pretty distant to this place for the past 3 months or so because all of my perceptions on its decline. Hopefully things can pick up, hence why I threw out my two cents on what to do now.

>>2886907

this but I also need more trashy nazbol cat


 No.2886923

Welp, this thread looks fine. Gonna sleep now.


 No.2886924

>>2886915

noh, don't do ett


 No.2886926

>>2886809

Yeah that's bullshit though, because the /leftpol/ mod team ran on the platform of pretty much moderating in the first place. That together with the fact that pretty much from the get-go the board was dedicated to shit on "trannies" and "femnazis" (which is ideology btw) and to completely ignore problematic aspects of their R*java pet project had the board overrun by fascists. After that the mods fucked off and pretended they didn't care anyway.


 No.2886927

>>2886926

pretty much not moderating*


 No.2886929

>>2886920

>Wanting to be anywhere near the top

Reminder that "the more people use something, the crappier it gets"


 No.2886931

>>2886926

>l-l-l-leftpol is why leftypol went to shit

Cope


 No.2886933

>>2886912

I remember back when we were just below /v/. At some points we even beat /v/ and was second to /pol/.


 No.2886934

File: 1797029f81df046⋯.jpg (272.75 KB, 1061x1500, 1061:1500, 91gz1MyPYuL._SL1500_.jpg)

>>2886886

>the split the worst thing that happened to us

>>2886922

>fear of debate and confrontation due to the bitter memories of the split

COULD YOU FAGGOTS PLEASE STOP THIS?

Stop trying to portray the "exodus" (lol) as some kind of traumatic and life changing event, for fuck's sake.

Retards wanted utopia.

Retards faced reality.

Retards left.

Retards faced reality again.

Pic very much related.


 No.2886935

Anything you would have done differently?


 No.2886939

>>2886932

>Implying it isn't what killed nearly every board on half-chan, including /jp/

Why would you want a huge influx of new posters or a large amount of posters in general posting low-quality shit?


 No.2886940

>>2886843

He isn't a fascist because he's not an autist about muh white children

lmao is that the burger conception of fascism


 No.2886941

>>2886934

>board become irrelevant even within 8 Chan after split.

>Chans are serious business and analogous to geopolitics

This warranted self importance is so staggering I can't even.


 No.2886942

>>2886934

It was a useful mark of the boards history that coincided with the rapid decline, nobody thought /leftypol/ was doomed when /leftpol/ came about. We just acknowledge we've been bleeding since around then, and are worse off for it.

>>2886935

Let the one big US military base in Syria thing play out but confine it to a single general until a broader board consensus was reached so it wasn't argued about literally everywhere.


 No.2886943

File: 2089f79da9ff9da⋯.jpg (122.66 KB, 1080x780, 18:13, tp10v5v19yw21.jpg)

Thank you Board Owner, it's been a good ride.>>2886760


 No.2886944

File: cd4df490cf8dc40⋯.jpg (47.14 KB, 600x440, 15:11, endocrine-disruptors-chemi….jpg)

>>2886760

>we are fucked by global warming

If you're going to be concerned about some environmental issue, you should at least be concerned about one that's actually imminent and also real

The endocrine apocalypse is upon us, plastic saturation in water is rising. Ecosystems are suffering and being destroyed. Frogs literally turning gay. Plastic death is now.


 No.2886946

>>2886938

There is no reality in which one big US military base in Syria-fags were doing anything right. And this is coming from someone who disagreed with many of the bans.


 No.2886948

>>2886945

Makes sense, you can't survive outside this ML hug box.


 No.2886952

File: e10c2e1afe2b5ae⋯.jpg (117.19 KB, 665x412, 665:412, federquote.jpg)

>>2886871

Unironically /pol/fags are too illiterate to even know why Not Socialism got popular in the first place. Learning why is what convinced me to stop browsing /pol/ - that and the fact that the board is absolutely slathered with red text and shilling.


 No.2886953

>>2886945

So are we banning redditors or are we reddit? Because both accusations are being levied by you. Some control needs to occur if only to prevent what happened to half-pol with MAGA and r/donald fags.


 No.2886954

>>2886938

At least you are not trying to be biased.

>>2886946

This. And I used to be on the one big US military base in Syria train for like a month.


 No.2886955

>>2886951

Maybe if you stopped posting the same images and got better taste.


 No.2886956

>>2886951

>He doesn't know what ML stands for.

Jesus Christ no wonder /b2/ became the new standard bearer for causing Nazi butthurt


 No.2886960

>>2886955

The spammer is not from this board. He thinks he's owning the libs by wasting hours on his "raids"


 No.2886962

>>2886760

>accuses other people of being fascist

>admits to banning people because of their opinions

The absolute state of this board…


 No.2886963


 No.2886965

>>2886934

I mean after or around the split /leftypol/ got whole less fun and more tense. It doesn't help that we were constantly getting raided by /pol/yps. It just wasn't what it was.

Also I'm guessing that Alunya spammer wan't around when we butted heads with Reddit and their mods.


 No.2886968

I just want to say thanks to all of the people who have participated in this board. I started out as an unread anarchist. I then actually read anarchist books. Now I'm reading marx and lenin and shit and it's all thanks to this very mediocre community. Thanks to all of you.

Since everyone is reminiscing, I really miss bordigaposting. I didn't understand shit back then (what was it, like two and a half years?) but I still thought it was fascinating.

I wish the best for this community, I love to effort post here and I wish I had more opportunities to do so.


 No.2886970

>>2886965

>/leftypol/ got whole less fun and more tense

Good, honestly. Communism is serious business and fun is basically a coping mechanism.


 No.2886971

>>2886963

BO is Brezhnev


 No.2886973

>>2886971

What are you saying?


 No.2886975

>>2886973

In terms of rating


 No.2886978

>>2886962

>Fascism means the use of authority

Not even defending the bans, but libs can leave.


 No.2886981

>>2886978

Here's a radical idea! What if we gave some kind of incentive for them to leave? I don't know, like, "banning" the shit out of them when they, I don't know, break some basic "rules?" Maybe advocating for napalming the third world could become such an, I don't know, "violation?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Rh3PbnAdw


 No.2886985

>>2886981

I agree with this to an extent. Arguments can be had, if only to allow anons to post counter-sources and information which other anons can use as well. However, propaganda spamming should be banned with at the very least an hourly ban with a message lest we turn into the leftist equivalent of current half-pol with chapofags filling in for r/donald.


 No.2886990

>>2886987

>Nazi masturbation fantasy NOW

never gets old


 No.2886995

>such as the massive promotion and shilling of one big US military base in Syria

>Some of my favorite threads to post in have been the DOW thread, Cockshott generals, DPRK general

So you're a faggot ☭TANKIE☭ living in the past. We already knew this. Your garbage moderation won't be missed.

You're gonna choose an even bigger zealot among the volounteers and this board will become more shit as a bunch of high schooler ☭TANKIE☭ scream at socdems and anyone who doesn't suck the dick of Stalin's corpse.

Fuck off.


 No.2886999

File: 2153dd3ca651193⋯.png (428.35 KB, 500x508, 125:127, LIBERAL.png)

>>2886991

>>2886993

The negative reaction to this on /leftypol/ was way overblown by /b/niggers to be fair. /leftypol/ didn't have as big of an emotional reaction to it as much as it did the fact that his shooting the mosque could've really fucked the website up due to censorship and cop cooperation.

/pol/edditors, however, are a different story. r/The_Donald types felt sick about it. Unfortunately, they never left the site.

>>2886995

>living in the past

>DOW, Cockshott, and DPRk generals

So, current stock market fluctuations, CyberSocialism, and one of the only remaining Socialist states on the planet is considered "living in the past"?


 No.2887001

>So, current stock market fluctuations, CyberSocialism, and one of the only remaining Socialist states on the planet is considered "living in the past"?

Yes, read Marx. Our theories and tactics should evolve with our material conditions. Trying to invent 'cybersocialim' or some ultra-great tech planning systems is utopian as fuck and a waste of time. DPRK follows Juche, an ideology specifically tailored to Koreans and their conditions. Since most of the planet isn't 1950s Korea, I don't see the point in trying to replicate or imitate the DPRK. Support it from an anti-imperalist point of view, sure, but don't expect me to work for a society organised along the lines of Juche.


 No.2887002

File: 8e910de96a7157b⋯.png (917.92 KB, 1080x806, 540:403, 8e910de96a7157bfbef50258ce….png)

>>2886991

>>2886998

>Was literally trained by pro-zionist Ukrainians and traveled to Israel not even a few months before

>/pol/ barely even questions it and just laps Zionist cummies

Best development to date


 No.2887003

File: 04d42670c99e29a⋯.png (25.59 KB, 475x271, 475:271, 1.png)

HEY GUYS! I'VE GOT A RADICAL NEW IDEA! WHY DON'T WE CREATE A NEW BOARD ON DECENTRALIZED ORGANIZATIONAL PRINCIPLES AND LIBERTARIAN IDEAS? SURELY NOTHING COULD GO WRONG! IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE OLD BOARD BUT BETTER IN EVERY WAY!


 No.2887004

>>2887001

>Trying to invent 'cybersocialim' or some ultra-great tech planning systems is utopian as fuck

So socialist economics are now utopian? We need to have some idea on how to organize a socialist economy, no? But I agree that we should look in the present instead of the good ol ☭TANKIE☭ days.


 No.2887006

File: 8b837323245b712⋯.jpg (1.46 MB, 3840x2160, 16:9, (You).jpg)

>>2887001

Okay, first of all, the DPRK itself is living proof that Socialism can work. In building Juche, they have established a society that has withstood sanctions from nearly the entire world. Anyone who claims that they are not a success story is a fucking retard, including (You).

Second, CyberSocialism is literally the future, whether you like it or not. Communism was not achievable with the technology and processing mechanisms of the 20th centruy. Soviet Russia and Allende's Chile worked to achieve a new price-setting mechanism without the necessity of market forces - the biggest problem is that they did not succeed. Soviet Russia stopped funding the project, and Chile had Pinochet's coup, after which he simply disabled the program.

The fact is, Communism must be achieved with the aid of 21st century technology. to attempt to achieve Communism without this is utopian.


 No.2887007

>>2887001

>Trying to invent 'cybersocialim'

There's no need to invent anything, buddy. It's already there. It would take half a year for any Western revolutionary government to institute a completely working model but beta testing and early adaptation could begin in mere weeks. Only the code needs to be written, the hardware is already there everywhere.

>let's keep the pace with these changing times!

<I'm deeply suspicious of this thing you call "technology"


 No.2887010

File: 17a796d1e55843d⋯.png (58.34 KB, 974x868, 487:434, 1.png)

>>2886963

So far

>74% believes BO's work was more positive

>26% believes BO's work was more negative


 No.2887011

File: 3a3da2f3a55f813⋯.png (2.77 KB, 622x76, 311:38, 1.png)

>>2887010

I knew that after posting this we'll have our first genius. Good job, bucko. You really showed the tranny BO that xir did a bad job.


 No.2887017

>>2887010

You know that this doesn't include the people who left/were permabanned, right? At the time of the debate about the bans, about 75% of people were against BO's bans according to a poll.


 No.2887018

>>2887014

Posts like this make me certain /pol/yps are edgy children or general failures in life. Can you expect someone over 20 with something worth living for writing this without shame with also his bestgore.com complication added in?


 No.2887020

>>2887007

<I'm deeply suspicious of this thing you call "technology"

I study philosophy and history of technology, so I may have a more nuanced and realistic view than most. And yes, I am suspicious of the faith and optimism put into 'technology' as if it were some deus ex machina that will save us all. For current, real-world examples of this look at those who believe that global climate change is happening but believe that Humans will invent something and solve the problems by the power of almighty science in the last minute, just like in the movies.

I find your faith in cybersocialism and technology similarly misplaced. We are at step 1 and you're talking about step 1000. Start by organising your neighborhood/city, build a base. Leave dreaming to the sci-fi writers.


 No.2887032

>>2887017

About 75% of kulaks were against the gulags.


 No.2887033

>>2887022

You dumb nigger, fascism is a failed philosophy.

Fascism simultaneously underestimates and overestimates our power. Fascism built entirely on "muh marxism" and "we gotta get rid of da joos who control everything yet can't keep immigrants out of israel" is doomed to fail.


 No.2887037

>>2887022

>You come to this site and expect not to get the shit kicked out of you in every instance?

I don't get my shit "kicked out". All I get is sometimes having to read such lowbrains as you. What kind of fucking sperg even writes this?

>Even inundated by CIAniggers of every flavour from every cunt, subversive Marxist cunts like (You) jerking around like it was tumblr in the PTHC days thought you had a blooming little safe-space, while Capitalist-Corporate Cocksuckers looking to cash in on what's trendy in the world of "naughty words" and "exclusive problematic behavior" for their poorly scripted shitbox glorified chatbots jank the fuck out of the media server…we still give you the status quo of get the fuck out.

This is an interesting insight into the mind of a schizophrenic.


 No.2887038

>>2887022

>subversive Marxist cunts like (You) jerking around like it was tumblr in the PTHC days thought you had a blooming little safe-space, while Capitalist-Corporate Cocksuckers looking to cash in on what's trendy in the world of "naughty words" and "exclusive problematic behavior" for their poorly scripted shitbox glorified chatbots jank the fuck out of the media server…we still give you the status quo of get the fuck out.

What the fuck are you on about? /leftypol/ literally came into existence because no other leftist space would tolerate us at the time. Fuck off with whatever garbled nigger-speak your schizo rant is even supposed to mean.


 No.2887039

File: f90b23dc637588b⋯.jpg (42.38 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 46493643 480724849104350 8….jpg)

File: 38548f15d586bf0⋯.jpg (148.07 KB, 954x960, 159:160, 1026531905850798087 201808….jpg)

File: 2994052388aab1e⋯.jpg (152.78 KB, 700x283, 700:283, 20161115-1.jpg)

File: 84bd1b1d42d0e51⋯.jpg (265.75 KB, 800x396, 200:99, 20190101-2.jpg)

>>2887001

>Juche, an ideology specifically tailored to Koreans and their conditions

They themselves don't even claim that and support Juche organizations all over the world. It is not a dogma but a guide to action. Each country proceeding with the revolution based on the actual conditions within it is an integral component of the Juche Idea.


 No.2887041

I remember the constant Hoxhaposting and anarchist/hoxha war. That was a hilarious time.


 No.2887058

File: 0ce9ee839bf1656⋯.png (680.45 KB, 508x806, 254:403, bandit.png)

>>2887056

>You never should have come here.


 No.2887065

>>2887056

mate are you having a mental breakdown


 No.2887072

>>2887067

Who is this cutie and do you have any more?


 No.2887075

bye bye baboon odor


 No.2887079

File: 60516147a07cd17⋯.jpg (9.89 KB, 233x216, 233:216, Vasili Blokhin 3.jpg)

>>2887056

>I said that Marxist cunts don't understand Fascism and use it as a pejorative like true fucking amateurs who get slapped around in argument and physical altercations. Assuming that I ascribe to Fascism is the knee-jerk wonder that you usually project onto basicbitch ((slightly right of center)) types. You lot break down pretty hard though, it's not a bad sight to witness.

Dude, we know what the difference between a lib and a fascist is. It's just that most self-declacommunists are nothing more than edgier libs and we don't really care either way. Liberals, fascists, SocDems, they all get the same wall. Big talk about making an argument when you come here and don't even make any.

>Is that all you have for me? We curbstomped you lot until your #BO finally resigned. Do I have to track Ms. Oink herself down and force her to give me an awful blowjob too? Hahahaha.

If anything, this boards disagreements with BO is what caused this situation. Curbstomped? The only threads you faggots make here is schizo spam shit and retarded low-effort posts. Niggers like you barely come over until stuff like this occurs.

>Sluggish Schizophrenia in olden times used as a pejorative for murderous tyrants now co-opted and recycled for use in the effete ((subterfuge era)) is now used as a type of insult.

Lol Schizo

>Triggered by juche-anon

Even better


 No.2887082

>>2887056

>declacommunists

Lol, the filter changed the red at the end and fascist and filtered it as if it were communist. Either way, kind of works. There are plenty of radlibs who do exactly what I said fascists do.


 No.2887086

>>2887083

Imagine being this big of a faggot, jeez.


 No.2887088

>>2887083

>You lot are getting bullied off of 8chan because you can't even make a basic argument.

Still here it seems. How about you make actual arguments that aren't kvetching about the "mean Bolsheviks" and "muh feels"

>Perhaps you all should jump ship to retcetera or failbook or whatever shithole you crawled out of to infect this place.

Pretty sure facebook is your domain.

>Pretty much anyone here could break your jaw just for laughs.

Do it faggot.

I also love how you get pissy over libs calling other libs fascists, and then start posting libs as if were the libs.


 No.2887101

BO's ban policy was emotional welfare for Stalinists. There is no negative consequence to allowing socdems, anarchists, or critics of whatever dictator the USA is attempting to coup to post on this board, other than making a handful of underage internet ☭TANKIE☭s cry and rage. Mass permabanning hundreds of people over three years (which newfags want to pretend never happened, how nice) handicapped this board and drove away effortposters and quality content.

Now /leftypol/ is a shadow of its former self, and dominated by low-effort e-celeb shit and /pol/ spam. You made your bed, now you get to lie in it. I'm sure the mods here appreciate having to constantly prune retarded nazi spam while actual content got anchored or permabanned because it conflicted with your Stalinist clique's retarded nonsense worldview. I doubt much will change even with BO gone, only time will tell.


 No.2887105

File: ce458735d8c0e22⋯.png (127.48 KB, 1090x470, 109:47, raidz.png)

>>2887104

I forgot that /b/ died and it's /b2/ now. Oops.

>>>/b2/74749


 No.2887113

>>2887101

>when you support imperialism and huff Western propaganda to own the ☭TANKIE☭s


 No.2887114

>>2886817

>and the news threads

news anon did nothing wrong


 No.2887116

>>2887109

Don't go about getting angry about social liberals calling conservative liberals fascists then come here complaining to us as if we're the ones doing it. We are literally a hop over from your board, why would we think conservative neoliberals like Trump and co. are fascists? At worst we've mentioned that there exists fascists who support him regardless for retarded reason. To us them being neoliberals is all we need to be against them like all other neoliberals.


 No.2887120

>>2886760

>8chan in general is a cesspit. The site admins are fascist scum who cooperate with US law enforcement

I highly doubt that this is true

>>2886797

/leftpol/ is shit because very few people post on it. That’s the only reason why.


 No.2887122

>>2887101

>muh ☭TANKIE☭s muh stalinists

Literally fearmongering. I've been here since 2015 and this board was dominated by leftcoms and anarchists for 90% of its existence. There are still anarchist mods and I've seen them, hell even Kropotkin is stickied to the front.


 No.2887127

File: 2a100b2c37361d2⋯.png (162.57 KB, 1492x731, 1492:731, k2.png)

File: 6844f859d539225⋯.png (85.6 KB, 1276x412, 319:103, k1.png)

>>2886865

He actually fucked up so hard that the site admins removed him.

>>2886881

>>2886863

You guys remember Kampfy's spergout after he got removed as /pol/ BO?


 No.2887128

File: 3f6181c39448872⋯.jpg (96.59 KB, 661x960, 661:960, ezgif-3-86a365131382.jpg)

Don't blame you we have the same issues.


 No.2887129

Now who am I going to argue with? Can you ban me one last time for shits and giggles?


 No.2887137

File: ba0ae2bc997ee79⋯.png (90.51 KB, 1114x526, 557:263, toomanywords.png)

>these are the dumb niggers that raid /leftypol/ on a regular basis

>>>/b2/74749


 No.2887146

>>2887137

>look at all the words

<BIG WORDS BAD WHERE ARE THE INFOGRAPHICS :-DDD


 No.2887161

File: 1a28e097fad7d8d⋯.png (209.64 KB, 1080x1920, 9:16, 1557491117460.png)

After getting permanently banned multiple times for stupid minor shit, even after I made an appeal, I salute you, you masterful faggot. Hope we never get to see your stupid fucking face again.

I'm still banned in my computer's IP, so every single time I want to post, which happens to be almost daily, I need to do it from my phone with barely reaching signal because I live in a shithole.


 No.2887163

>>2887101

>There is no negative consequence to allowing socdems, anarchists, or critics of whatever dictator the USA is attempting to coup to post on this board

LMAO

>>2887137

>look at all the words

Can't make this shit up.


 No.2887169

>deleting (and probably banning) the people that are coming forward to say that bad shit you've done

ok this is so epic, when are you leaving again?


 No.2887173

>>2887127

Kampfy was unironically based. I think he would have driven /pol/ to mass suicide in 2020 if he were still BO.


 No.2887178

>>2887169

>literally siding with /pol/

>has the gall to claim that he is a victim

we are banning raiders who are spamming the same schizo bullshit about le epic piggy and how they would totally beat us up irl. it's not innocent /leftypol/ anons coming forward to genuinely discuss muh oppression, it's the usual clique of anti-communist retards.


 No.2887181

>hands-off moderation approach,

what ban everyone who you get salty about disagreeing with

> such as the massive promotion and shilling of one big US military base in Syria,

so you lost arguments and got salty. All the IRL left including most marxist leninist parties support the Kurds. Assad himself pays their bills. Are you more Syrian than Assad or something?

>Bernie,

the most left win candidate the US has seen in at least the last 20 years wow gee wonder why he was discussed..

>I made this board almost five years ago. At the time I knew very little about communism or anarchism, and I was a vague leftist.

exactly the kind of people bernie appeals to..

>Nazbols,

a literal meme, and still better than nazis

>As I read books and educated myself, I realized what a mess I had created.

i read two books and decided my opinions were of a higher level than others and those people should therefore be banned.

>I tried to discourage and get rid of the worst posters,

you got rid of all the good posters

> in spite of general improvements

it has not improved it got worse.

>think the abysmal quality of /leftpol/ shows it was the right choice

the quality and quantity got worse since the split which was your fault

i mean thanks for making this place and everything but fuck off aalready you ruined a good thing because you are a controll freak


 No.2887182

>>2887178

Then what about these?

>>2887155

>>2887159

>>2887160

I don't see any "schizo /b/ 2.0" shitposting in these posts


 No.2887183

>>2887101

>Stalinists Mass permabanning hundreds of people

billions


 No.2887185

>>2887041

remeber when we used to have fun before the BO killed all the fun


 No.2887187

>>2887101

its not Stalinism, the most diehard stalinists i know actually went and volunteered in Syria, and they came back even more Stalinist. The anarchists that go there from the UK tend to join Maoist groups. It is literally being ignorant as fuck and projecting that ignorance everywhere


 No.2887191

>>2887182

the ones who were posting screencaps and shit were the same /pol/fags who have been ban evading. post history (and lack thereof) is an indication of this.


 No.2887195

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2883399.html to anyone that doesn't already know, look at the absolute state of the person posting "muh one big US military base in Syria is imperialist". People like this being in control are why the board has split.

Lest we forget.


 No.2887217

>>2887195

>>2887187

>>2887185

All I needed was to look at the unceasing and disproportionate hysterics of your side to know that /leftpol/ was doomed from the beginning: production of conspiracy theories, dishonest narratives, obsession over BO, being indistinguishable from /pol/, etc. Then one of your renegade mods decided to delete all the threads in revenge. You fuckers would rather rather wreck the whole fucking place if you can't push your stubborn idiocy through. There's absolutely no way you are going to convince me or have any sympathy from me.


 No.2887220

will miss the bantz


 No.2887222

File: f9c2a3a96133831⋯.png (149.85 KB, 875x650, 35:26, bo spergs out 8.png)

File: dd3c2cceede17cc⋯.png (29.77 KB, 702x714, 117:119, BO spergs out 9.png)

File: 16bff0481a3edca⋯.png (177.83 KB, 750x1334, 375:667, BO SPERGS OUT 10.png)

File: 5072a3cc6a81541⋯.png (44.14 KB, 1804x252, 451:63, BO SPERGS OUT 11.png)

File: e77be2a5c87894f⋯.png (155.46 KB, 1907x946, 1907:946, BO SPERGS OUT 4.png)

>>2887191

How new are you? Over two thirds of the userbase have left and about a third of them were banned. There are going to be people posting on web proxies and VPNs. I was a regular poster until I was banned in 2017 for saying Mugabe was not a communist, and I was posting that from a web proxy, as I do not want to have to randomly change the IPs on my VPN after they're banned.


 No.2887225

File: 12f258bb1bb9ce8⋯.png (25.94 KB, 1881x359, 1881:359, BO SPERGS OUT 2.png)

File: 2919f3ad98f24c9⋯.jpg (270.74 KB, 1878x683, 1878:683, BO SPERGS OUT 12.jpg)

>>2887222

Besides that, when has /pol/ ever raided by pointing out dishonest moderation tactics with concern of the quality of the board?


 No.2887227

Well RIP this board. Prepare for the bernie shilling, the kurd shilling, the bookchin shilling.

Prepare for leftcom and anarchist bullshit to completely take over. Prepare to get banned if you defend states like Syria or NK.

Just going to be another chapo outpost filled with edgy radlibs.


 No.2887228

File: 88346fbb96dbb78⋯.gif (450.47 KB, 498x278, 249:139, tenor.gif)


 No.2887231

>>2887227

Maybe we'll get some interesting fucking discussion and all, it sounds like a nightmare! Imagine losing our echo chamber! :🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧


 No.2887233

File: d5869a8780e9a85⋯.png (162.75 KB, 432x767, 432:767, bookchin.png)

>>2887231

This is why we need state repression.


 No.2887234

File: d56381e106d0d78⋯.jpg (27.62 KB, 524x336, 131:84, microexpressions-disgust.jpg)

>>2887227

>OH NO!!! Instead of crying to daddy to ban the EVIL anarcho-trotkso-fascists I will actually have to substantiate my claims, argue my position and interect with other ideologies!! How could this happen on my political board??!?!?!

You sound like you'd be better off on Reddit, or god forbid, maybe even Twitter.


 No.2887237

>>2887231

Ah, yes, having repeated here what the CIA pours into CNN and BBC would be a much needed improvement. Free speech for everyone, porkies included, fellow comrade! Communism bad, market good; parties bad, disorganized networks good; Stalin bad, Churchill good!

Are you enjoying these fresh takes melt away your dogmas yet you dirty commi, I mean fellow comrade?


 No.2887240

>>2887234

>He thinks you can "debate" with fascists and liberal children

You can put all the effort you can muster into one thread, but the very next day they will make another and have you repeat the process again and again. Their aim isn't to learn, it's to wear you down and cover the discussion with their nonsense.


 No.2887241

File: d304883bc3e526d⋯.jpg (102.4 KB, 536x600, 67:75, rebell_536px-Die_Gartenlau….jpg)

>>2887237

>he actually believes everyone who disagrees with him is secretly in the CIA and the lack of CIA is proportional to having a safe space

Wow, you're retarded!


 No.2887242

File: bddfbf24f88711c⋯.jpg (108.4 KB, 787x1014, 787:1014, 2d8d4996e280b5ac346d1ddf3c….jpg)

>>2887101

>Now

>dominated by low-effort e-celeb shit and /pol/ spam

?

>whatever dictator the USA is attempting to coup

>dictator

?????


 No.2887244

>>2887242

>>dictator

Didn't you hear? We are spreading democracy.


 No.2887245

>MUH FREE SPEECH!!!!!

I thought you "leftists" were above such disingenuous shit. This is yet another opportunity to FLOOD this board with off-topic trash.

The ONLY fucking free speech you're going to get from fascists is why black people are bad and how jews run communism. Enjoy!


 No.2887247

>>2887240

Guess how I know you're a newfag? Folks arguing with bad faith and nazifags were already banned prior to the BO sperging out. It will continue without the BO's retarded policy of removing anyone he disagrees with. Are you going to tell me almost all of the original posters and moderators and the two thirds of the userbase who left due to ideological bans are secret fascist CIA saboteurs?


 No.2887248

>>2887237

>free speech is only good when I get to choose who gets to speak

>if you disagree with me you're a CIA agent

wow

>>2887240

> Their aim isn't to learn, it's to wear you down and cover the discussion with their nonsense.

You do realize this can apply to stalinists shitting all over every single thread right? Did you see what happened the last time an anarchist thread was made? Or the last leftcom thread?


 No.2887249

File: 7c703ae5ce896e0⋯.png (490.92 KB, 767x700, 767:700, 5624642.png)

>>2887241

>>2887234

>>2887231

>a board encouraging communist takes and discouraging capitalist takes is

<1. an echo chamber

<2. reddit, twitter

<3. a safe space

I don't know man. Sounds to me you just don't want to have communist places on the internet. (Also: you argue like a teenage poltard which is rich from someone claiming to have his totally important and unique opinions repressed.)


 No.2887251

>>2887245

>allowing other tendencies of leftist thought is the same as allowing fascists to shit up the board


 No.2887252

>>2887248

>>free speech is only good

I never said that free speech was good or desirable either.


 No.2887253

>>2887247

Without the bans we'd be in the exact same state as /leftpol/. You don't need to work with the CIA to carry out their agenda, which the fascists (90% of 8chan) do. You forget where you are, this isn't reddit or even halfchan. This site is second to stormfront to the sheer amount of fascists visiting.


 No.2887255

>>2887251

If I had to chose between nazis shitting up the board or post-left bookchinite neo-primitivist leftcoms shilling for US imperialism shit up the board I'd chose the former because they at least don't pretend to be the radical left.


 No.2887256

LET /POL/ HAVE STRICT MODERATION AND BE ON TOPIC

LET /V/ HAVE STRICT MODERATION AND BE ON TOPIC

LET /TV/ HAVE STRICT MODERATION AND BE ON TOPIC

BUT LET /LEFTYPOL/ BE AN OPEN TOILET WHERE EVERYONE CAN PISS FOR THE SAKE OF FREE SPEECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOESN'T MATTER THAT THERE'S HARDLY ANY "LEFT" FORUMS OUT THERE! OPEN THEM ALL, LET THEM ALL BE FLOODED WITH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 No.2887259

>>2887256

upvoted


 No.2887261

>>2887251

Anarchists normally precipitate the arrival of fascists and their ilk. It's what happens when most of your rhetoric is liberal.


 No.2887262

>>2887255

It really shows how much you dislike the fascists huh, even preferring them to memeing leftist and all

You do realize where you are, right? This is an imageboard, not the fucking Politburo. You larp so hard it got to your brain like the cancer you are.


 No.2887264

>>2887256

Holy shit you're so autistic it's laughable, nobody wants to stop moderation. We want to stop retarded stalinist biased moderation. Go create a fucking blog if the only opinions you want to hear are the ones you think retard.


 No.2887267

File: 734493d708a8c38⋯.jpg (50.19 KB, 333x500, 333:500, 51h-9ZR51tL.jpg)

>>2887264

>>2887262

>muh politburo

>muh larp

>muh stalinist bias

Keep glowing, dear.


 No.2887268

>>2886760

While I've disagreed with some things you've done in the past, I think you've generally done a pretty good job of stopping this place from going full reddit. Hopefully whoever replaces you doesn't immediately flush this board down the toilet in the name of expanding its user base.


 No.2887270

>>2887256

But sir, my mainstream and anti-communist opinions should be just as valid on a communist board as on a video game board. Are you a Stalinist or something?


 No.2887273

File: f9c2a3a96133831⋯.png (149.85 KB, 875x650, 35:26, bo spergs out 8.png)

File: dd3c2cceede17cc⋯.png (29.77 KB, 702x714, 117:119, BO spergs out 9.png)

File: 16bff0481a3edca⋯.png (177.83 KB, 750x1334, 375:667, BO SPERGS OUT 10.png)

File: 5072a3cc6a81541⋯.png (44.14 KB, 1804x252, 451:63, BO SPERGS OUT 11.png)

File: e77be2a5c87894f⋯.png (155.46 KB, 1907x946, 1907:946, BO SPERGS OUT 4.png)

>>2887249

Have you read anything in this thread? The point being made is that the BO's policies were a violation of this free discussion, and evidence has been provided towards this. If this is not the case, where have all the original moderators and original members of the community gone? Why has the board completely stagnated in content as people willing to make it have left?

>>2887253

>You forget where you are, this isn't reddit or even halfchan. This site is second to stormfront to the sheer amount of fascists visiting.

Bullshit. It didn't turn into /leftpol/ in 2015 or 2016. How is banning people joking about MLs related to fascist shilling? And if your point has any validity, why did it not happen when the board was almost the sole focus of 8chan and 4chan /pol/ and constantly raided with attempts to sabotage it? The board dealt with bad faith actors and nazifags fine prior to any BO spergout, and if you can connect these images with "banning nazis", you may be mentally retarded.

On that basis, /leftpol/ became the way it is because the moderation was purged and the /leftpol/ BO did not appoint active, skilled moderation. Once he gave it to space_, the faggot kept it as a keepsake and completely refused to add any new moderation to it until it was overrun with nazifags. It's a completely different situation.


 No.2887274

>>2887268

>from going full reddit

That's precisely what's going to happen though, the only reason people want a bigger userbase is for the "memes". So you're going to attract ADHD stricken children whether you like it or not, when has ANY forum improved because they expanded its poster base?


 No.2887275

>>2887273

Keep spamming those shitty screens, you moron. I'm not a mod but I would have banned those fuckers too.


 No.2887276

>>2887273

All those bans were justified.


 No.2887278

>>2887275

>If I were a mod, I'd ban people for speaking about things I dislike and hurting my feelings by making fun of me!

Guess that makes you a huge faggot lmao


 No.2887279

File: 1f20e4d095d1ac4⋯.png (4.1 KB, 206x24, 103:12, 5.png)

File: be4886076352aee⋯.png (3.96 KB, 209x23, 209:23, 4.png)

File: 6437d5dea3b80bc⋯.png (9.34 KB, 310x54, 155:27, 3.png)

File: e69d7a41ce65dd8⋯.png (3.84 KB, 172x29, 172:29, 2.png)

File: 72571c2a6902870⋯.png (3.49 KB, 170x22, 85:11, 1.png)

>>2887273

This is completely healthy and not indicative of any kind of unhealthy obsession / paranoia / delusional views.


 No.2887280

>>2887279

It takes 5 seconds to save a screenshot and name it, and about another 5 seconds to post it. If you can't into technology, why are you on an imgeboard, anon? :^)


 No.2887282

>>2887278

>huge faggot lmao

>>2887280

>moves goalpost

>:^)

I remember you faggot. You used to shit up this board regularly and think that you owned everyone with your clearly severe pathology. Thank fucking god for the voluntary insane asylum called /leftpol/. When does your visiting time end? Shouldn't you be back by now?


 No.2887283

I've never actually been banned from here, but I observed enough unjust bans and censorship over a year ago that it pushed me away to /leftpol/. Can the next board owner keep their ideological purity in check and foster a space where we can get back together and become a strong presence on 8ch again? What assurances can we get that this won't happen again?


 No.2887284

>>2887137

>Jesus, look at all the words.

This post should be a banner.


 No.2887285

>>2887283

Two questions:

1. have you actually read the rules?

2. do you think that these were unjustified bans?

>>2887273


 No.2887286

>>2887256

>LET /V/ HAVE STRICT MODERATION AND BE ON TOPIC

>LET /TV/ HAVE STRICT MODERATION AND BE ON TOPIC

These are in fact mutually exclusive and the stupid fucks in charge of /v/ and /tv/ not understanding this is exactly why both of those boards are utter cesspits. It is entirely possibly to maintain topicality on a board without asinine "quality control".


 No.2887290

>>2887282

>heh… *snorts* u commited the moving goalposts fallacy. B-BTW STOP GANGSTALKING ME!!

I'm not whoever you think I am lmao, these pictures have been posted on every board tangentially related to leftypol by tens of users. The fact that you can't handle them without having a paranoid breakdown speaks volumes of how long you've been in the echo chamber.

Over a thousand five hundred users left as a result of torture chambery policies, including almost the entire original userbase of /leftypol/. You can't tell me it's one person posting these and stalking you lmao.


 No.2887291

File: 670473e180c7c60⋯.jpg (22.33 KB, 264x400, 33:50, 9780873489775.jpg)


 No.2887293

>>2887285

>1. have you actually read the rules?

Not in a long while, I always just posted in a place that I assumed was for open expression about Leftist topics, and it served me well enough to never get banned (was here at the start of /leftypol/'s existence). Maybe it helps that I've always had a very open mind about my own flavor of Leftism and haven't yet managed to sequester myself into an ideological corner.

>2. do you think that these were unjustified bans?

I absolutely do, every one of those is a bullshit ban. If those bans are in line with the rules, then the rules themselves are stupid.


 No.2887295

>>2887291

Do you think that's some sort of substantial retort?


 No.2887296

File: ea5c8f775a0745e⋯.png (8.28 KB, 1084x80, 271:20, rules.png)

>>2887285

Not the anon in question, but this behavior is still supposed to be protected by the rules now. Unless, of course, you upset the autistic board owner.


 No.2887297

>>2887293

>I don't know the rules, but they should be changed to allow more freedoms because look at me, I'm the freest, least-ideologically-stricken motherfucker there is


 No.2887299

>>2887185

I really miss cheeky Papa Wolff threads.


 No.2887301

>>2887191

>post history (and lack thereof)

That's not always a good gauge of user intention. Plenty of people have VPNs or dynamic IPs.


 No.2887303

>>2887283

>Can the next board owner keep their ideological purity in check and foster a space where we can get back together and become a strong presence on 8ch again? What assurances can we get that this won't happen again?

This is what i'm hoping for. Hopefully we'll be able to regrow and avoid something like a split again. Make things lively and fun again.

>>2887299

Me too.


 No.2887304

>>2887301

Yeah, lack of post history is a terrible gauge of whether or not someone's coming with bad intentions. Since the Christchurch terrorism 8chan has been blocked in a lot of countries, so quite a few people don't have a choice but to use VPNs, or just cheap out and use proxies.


 No.2887305

>>2887296

as far as I can tell 3 out of 5 bans there where due to this rule:

<-attempt to cloak reactionary politics in left-wing rhetoric

and 2 for the imperialist rule.

They were totally justified. The permit to shitpost and be sectarian does not include saying shit like "the USA even at its worst was better than the USSR" and so on. It's just clear anti-communism.


 No.2887306

>>2886760

If you give the board to a plant is there a way to get the board back or it's fucked?


 No.2887309

File: a372b7625ebb606⋯.png (18.52 KB, 874x184, 19:4, khrushchev_the_stalinist.png)

>>2887306

It will go revisionist.


 No.2887310

>>2887303

>This is what i'm hoping for. Hopefully we'll be able to regrow and avoid something like a split again. Make things lively and fun again.

>>2887300

>This is what i'm hoping for. Hopefully we'll be able to regrow and avoid something like a split happening again. Make things lively and fun again.

>>2887293

>a very open mind

>haven't yet managed to sequester myself into an ideological corner

>>2887300

>keep their ideological purity in check

>>2887290

>torture chambery policies

>>2887286

>asinine "quality control".

#MALEFA

MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN


 No.2887311

>>2887305

>the USA even at its worst was better than the USSR

what. No user said this, and no user was arguing it. The anarchist poster was responding to someone saying that the USA was "more repressive than iraq or nazi germany", the redflag was mocking a man for refusing to substantiate his claims on the Katyn massacre, if that's what you were thinking.


 No.2887326

File: c4a7874c28ec765⋯.jpg (30.67 KB, 324x196, 81:49, lol.jpg)

>>2887137

>look at all the words


 No.2887327

File: bc53843e1ae0e41⋯.jpg (39.45 KB, 619x620, 619:620, anti reading action.jpg)


 No.2887330

>>2887217

i have literally never posted on leftpol once, not one time.

>indistinguisable from pol

i organise communities in real life you joker


 No.2887331

>>2886760

What a waste of your fathers sperm

Go slither off into obscurity you pathetic waste of life. Better still by some rope, make a noose and hang yourself so that the precious resources that go towards keeping you alive can be used by truly deserving humans.

/leftypol/ was always a joke, you tried to counteract the rise of /pol/ but failed on every level. Your blind adherence to the cancerous ideology you fuckers spew prevents you from seeing the true origins of that ideology and can't see it was created with your demise as its goal.

A glorious win for /pol/!


 No.2887334

>>2887331

>you tried to counteract the rise of /pol/

What? The board was made solely because of a change in 8chan /pol/'s moderation that only allowed a tiny section of ideologies to post. It had nothing to do with "counteracting" /pol/, are you retarded?


 No.2887336

>>2887270

>>2887268

>>2887256

>>2887237

this place was objectively better before the split. The numbers don't lie and most of the effort posters left. Its not about free speech, its about materialism, this place was objectively better at being an internet leftist hub than it is now.

Stalinists support the kurds. Its got nothing to do with Stalinism.

also

>implying the wreckers who split the board aren't the CIA and instead the ones pushing for the same position that made this board grow to the third biggest are in the fact the CIA


 No.2887339

AND ANOTHER THING

we used to have daily threads DAILY at our peak, of polacks coming here and being converted. Daily. Do we see so many of these any more? No. Since when? since the split, sinve the illiterates decided they were in fact the most literate and anyone who disagreed with their crank bullshit should not be allowed to post. If someone came in good faith from the otherside to learn they were banned, and so the discussion was stifled, and so the board died.

The dialect was in motion, BO put a stop to that.


 No.2887342

AND YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE.

i miss when this place was filled with weird crust punks and other assorted interesting people, fucked up people, people with shit to say and stories to tell. I think since the bans most of these people have fucked off and in place are either kids or students, people with no real life experience, who are i suspect the sons of the petit bourgeoisie to whom communism is one giant internet debate, not an actual real world revolutionary movement


 No.2887343

>>2887336

>>2887342

>i miss when this place was filled with weird crust punks and other assorted interesting people

That is less a problem with /leftypol/ and more a problem with the entirety of 8chan becoming more of a echo chamber over time. Interesting people and effortposters started leaving on nearly every board after the huge stormfag influx, and now most of them are pretty static as a result.

Back in the early days of 8chan, there were thousands of boards like that, all for their own weird, self contained subcultures and discussions. Now, not so much.


 No.2887348

File: 51dcb40d4327084⋯.png (123.77 KB, 1843x484, 1843:484, YPJ leftypol ban.png)

Does this mean that free discussion on Rоjava allowed on this board without censorship again?


 No.2887350

Good riddance faggot.

ECO-FASCISM AND CLEANSING THE EARTH OF ALL NON-WHITES IS THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE GLOBAL WARMING

(USER WAS CLEANSED FOR THIS POST)

 No.2887354

>>2887350

yes capitalism with word the "eco" added on will save the planet just like "orangic" products did

>>2887343

i never used any other boards, if so thats a crying shame


 No.2887357

>>2887348

this is infuriating an ddisgusting. BO was a wrecker.


 No.2887358

Later faggot. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.


 No.2887362

File: e191cfa5b9cd708⋯.png (935.79 KB, 644x644, 1:1, 30934494050341171211934.png)

I just found out that this board exists. So what's the deal with you guys? Are you like SJWs and shit? If so then why would you even use this site? Don't you know that this is the home of all the evil and uncool people that your Hollywood celebrities tell you to punch?


 No.2887365

>>2887361

yes gud boi america was a clean environmentalist haven until those damned sjw showed up


 No.2887371

File: 0c994846a41efc3⋯.jpg (671.42 KB, 1919x4029, 1919:4029, 37gymrqx8vq21.jpg)

>>2887362

We're communists, that's really about it.


 No.2887376

I see the /leftpol/ crowd has returned. Can't wait for those meaningful debates™!


 No.2887380

File: adde06534637a2a⋯.jpg (23.12 KB, 250x339, 250:339, 250px-BarbariansAtTheGateD….jpg)


 No.2887383

File: 81e43aa733db1b1⋯.png (301.24 KB, 467x540, 467:540, rlynigga.png)

>>2887372

okay


 No.2887384

>>2887371

But communism doesn't work.


 No.2887387

>>2887384

What about it doesn't work?


 No.2887388


 No.2887393

>>2887387

The part that expects man to basically become a worker drone ant.

Also Lysenkoism, lol


 No.2887396

>>2887391

Why the fuck do I owe so many people money to just exist? I'll let you collect my buckshot in your stomach instead of rent.


 No.2887397

>>2887387

You can't dismantle private property without concentrating authority in a State-like power, which is guaranteed to become corrupt and self-serving due to a lack of accountability.


 No.2887399

>>2887393

You're thinking of capitalism, wagie. You know the system that requires you to work as much for as little as possible. Unless you consider choosing McDonalds vs Burger King is freedom.


 No.2887402

>>2887399

Yeah, every commie fag thinks they're going to be the one getting neetbux, and none of you consider how much you're going to have to work to make it happen. Notice you didn't address the Lysenkoism bit, why is that commie-nigger?


 No.2887403

>>2887398

He did not build shit, financing is not building and all he is doing is being a lazy fuck, providing no value and collecting profit sitting on his ass doing blow. Capitalism's contradictions will crush itself. Maybe you'll get smart enough to realize it before revolutionaries make abstract art out of your smooth brain.


 No.2887404

>>2887396

Because you are a low Autism Level untermensch who probably does low pay menial labor and doesn't know how to manage money. Goods and services cost money you stupid fuck, do you expect your landlord, the electric and water companies, internet providers, trash services etc to just give you shit they themselves invested huge amounts of money and effort into because you want free gibs? This is nigger tier mentality and is why you people are fucking scum>>2887396


 No.2887405

>mfw BO is leaving without apologizing to my comrades

The reckless permabans you give to anyone giving milquetoast criticism of anti-imperialists was really retarded. Hell I got banned (>>2880305) for you misunderstanding my defense of Maduro. I can understand a temp ban, but it was a permaban and you rejected my plea in less than 10 minutes. Honestly the split with leftpol and the decline of posters are all you. 3/10 thanking god this reign of terror is over.

>Had BO left in 2017, his achievements would have been immortal. Had he left in 2018, he would still have been a great man but flawed. But he left in 2019. Alas, what can one say?

>>2887362

This is the anti-SJW left wing board fam


 No.2887408

>>2887393

>The part that expects man to basically become a worker drone ant.

How does this describe workers under socialism?

>Lysenkoism

I fail to see how some theory in the field of biology that was supported for some time in one particular socialist country is a core component of socialism. You do realize socialism isn't just literally repeating everything the USSR did, right?


 No.2887409

>>2887362

>hollywood

>left wing

I bet you're also one of those dumbasses that believes the democrats and the MSM are leftists as well.


 No.2887412

>>2887408

>How does this describe workers under socialism

Because any work they do is never for themselves, and since so many of you are so keen on societal suicide, you'd be working your ass off to subsidize niggers and spics.

…..

Oh who am I kidding, you useless puds wouldn't work. You'd just let the system collapse AGAIN and say it wasn't real communism.

>You do realize socialism isn't just literally repeating everything the USSR did, right?

We could always try Venezuala's method, everyone has equal amounts of food there. And by that I mean fucking none, of course.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.2887414

>>2887412

Oh fuck off mate, we don't have time for this bullshit. Go to >>/marx/ and ask all your questions there, but do it in good faith not this 13 year old larping shit.


 No.2887415

File: be3ece1712a1ec6⋯.png (16 KB, 407x381, 407:381, 1.png)

>>2887413


 No.2887419


 No.2887420

>>2887412

>the /pol/yp slowly revealing himself.

Nigger and spics will work too fam.

>We could always try Venezuala's method

Nationalized and become overly dependent on one industry that USA wants to claim is socialism? Okay…


 No.2887422

>>2887421

It's right because Trump and Hillary have more in common than Hillary and anyone on this board.


 No.2887428

>>2887120

>I highly doubt that this is true

https://8ch.net/transparency.html


 No.2887429

>>2887409

They certainly make a show of being leftist, with the only caveat being that they divide class by shit like gender and skin color instead of wealth.


 No.2887436

Without leftypol who will stand up against the fascist star wars shills?


 No.2887441

>>2887412

VENEZUELA IPHONES 200 BILLION DEAD


 No.2887443


 No.2887450

>>2887425

Kinda rude to see you pivot my post torwards whining about your own points.


 No.2887454

File: 54632be87f77021⋯.jpg (60.31 KB, 818x1200, 409:600, 10gallonhat.jpg)

can i be a communis ttoo


 No.2887455

I have my own issues with the BO, but if there is one thing to praise about him is how he didn’t use his authority to cultivate an e-celeb identity. I do not know BO’s name or what BO looks like. While BO did go on stupid ban frenzies, they weren’t personal.

If we are to have anyone to replace the BO, whoever that does, should be the same.


 No.2887459


 No.2887464

>>2887459

Wow the other boards really hates us that much…

>>2887453

Cringe, would be more believeable if you pretend that pirate guy from years ago


 No.2887465

>>2887459

I don't keep up with the schitzo net, why is there 2 /b/s again


 No.2887471

File: 0b3ed558a551200⋯.jpg (92.74 KB, 640x480, 4:3, 696529122132121426816324.jpg)


 No.2887477

File: d2a52aed302de5a⋯.png (13.38 KB, 361x180, 361:180, settings.php?board=leftypo….png)

Can we finally get rid of this shit now?


 No.2887479

File: fa3813c09882ac7⋯.jpg (29.69 KB, 500x408, 125:102, polpot.jpg)

>>2887471

It's like looking at one cell creatures. You begin to wonder if they think at all.

>>2887477

I hope we don't. Shit's hilarious if you see it for the first time.


 No.2887497

>>2887412

>Because any work they do is never for themselves, and since so many of you are so keen on societal suicide, you'd be working your ass off to subsidize niggers and spics.

I'll take things that never happened in the USSR for 100 labour vouchers Anon.


 No.2887510

File: 34f7aa7b0558d92⋯.jpg (22.74 KB, 344x400, 43:50, xEexxPR.jpg)

>nazbols are bad

Only thing I disagree with in the op tbh


 No.2887514

>>2887510

I miss the nazbol flag for shitposting purpose.


 No.2887521


 No.2887522

fuck you


 No.2887532

>>2887397

That is nonsensical. Private property can only exist when an authority with the capacity for violence enforces it. The complete lack of private property in all stateless human societies attests to that. Thus the elimination of the state necessitates the elimination of private property.


 No.2887539

>>2887535

I mean, if you insist anon. Guess everyone better get the Kool aid, shows over.


 No.2887540

File: 947f196d36a0b27⋯.png (646.79 KB, 1024x468, 256:117, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2887412

>it wasn't real communism strawman

Ironically said vastly by anti-commies who knows jack shit.

>muh vuvuzela

By your retarded logic, capitalism is everything the US did/is doing.

Also:

>equality

>overused food joke


 No.2887570

>>2887479

It's been what, two years for the R*ojava one? The most infuriating one is the Jacobin wordfilter that breaks links on the news threads and others. I shared this article: https://jakkkobinmag.com/2019/02/steven-pinker-global-poverty-neoliberalism-progress

to educate a newfag but the wordfilter screwed it up for him.


 No.2887575

>>2887532

The State does not create private property, the state arbitrates conflict between people who claim property. Private property emerges organically from scarcity in non-familial groups. The more people you have, and the more they are strangers to each other, the more likely it is that a concept of private property will emerge to resolve conflicting access to the scarce resource.

Communism only works in the absence of scarcity, and scarcity can't be overcome as a function of communism; a post-scarcity economy is a pre-requisite for the system to be viable at all, but since communism was envisioned as a solution to problems derived from scarcity, we might as well say that communism doesn't work.


 No.2887591

File: d89b7265e0100d5⋯.png (4.14 KB, 341x63, 341:63, muhwords.png)


 No.2887614

File: e9f02eb029002f8⋯.png (104 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 4e6d9ab97ee2493edef3b7b4a6….png)

>>2886760

While i may have had some disagreements on how you run the board, nevertheless thank you for your service.


 No.2887617

File: 00ca8233b35c36c⋯.pdf (5.3 MB, David Graeber - Debt_ The ….pdf)

>>2887569

Democratic Confederalism is a secular movement.

>>2887575

book related

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years


 No.2887623

>>2887464

Yarr that be MY matey you're talkin shit about. Best be sailing off before you tangle with pirate gang.


 No.2887641

>>2887429

that's a big fucking caveat you moron


 No.2887643

>>2886760

good for you


 No.2887645

>>2887575

>The more people you have, and the more they are strangers to each other

How exactly do you quantify strangerness?


 No.2887658

>>2887569

If Islam enslaves women, then why aren't Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib in chains instead of US Congress?

Furthermore, can you name some non-capitalist Islamic states to verify that it is Islam, and not capitalism or feudalism, that is subjugating women?


 No.2887659

>>2887653

The hard left has always been anti-theist, this won't change just because you prefer to fight strawmen instead of facing reality.


 No.2887660

>>2887575

>the state arbitrates conflict between people who claim property

Yes, the state determines the claim, which is the very nature of ownership. Private property is a nonsense concept without that determination, and it cannot be maintained without violent enforcement by the entity that makes the determination.

>Communism only works in the absence of scarcity

Currently, scarcity is caused not by a lack of productive capacity as was the case before industrialization but rather by the requirements of the present economic system. There already is enough of everything for everyone, but the people who would use those things do not always get them. Also, productive power is increasingly devoted to useless trash that serves no purpose beyond the maintainance of the system. Right now in this industrialized world scaricty is entirely artificial.


 No.2887661

>>2887641

So they use the same communist class conflict model and all the same theories and policies, but just because they define privilege differently, they are suddenly not communists anymore?


 No.2887663

>>2887661

>So they use the same communist class conflict model and all the same theories and policies

Much like Hegel using the same basic models of Marx and Engles, the thing that separates the two is the empiricism that comes from the material analysis of communism. Without that empirical grounding, it is idealistic thought, be it Hegel's dialectics or feminist theory.


 No.2887667

>>2887661

>So they use the same communist class conflict model and all the same theories and policies, but just because they define privilege differently, they are suddenly not communists anymore?

The point to be made is that the dimension by which they define "essential" conflict in contemporary society subjects them to assumptions (the big caveat) that wholly divorce their view from Marxist views. They can couch their language or their understanding of the conflict with as many camouflaged sentiments reminiscent of communist aesthetic as they please. The fact that they retain ethnic or gender essentialisms, without going any further, means that at the very base of where communist thought is constructed, that they've already completely discarded materialism and delved into ideological scruples. This is why they're not communist. You can pick apart XYZ category, and fancy yourself a knowledgeable critic of the policy and theory and practicalities of this "communism" you've so carefully fashioned for yourself - just know that the ideology you despise so much, when it had its very first tottering steps and made its first tentative decisions on its character and faculties, it first rejected everything that made communism 'communism', as such. All the Marxist philosophy and their origins in enlightenment philosophy, gone. The economic pre-eminence and materialism that stemmed from that, gone. All the rest, just a self-righteous facade to complain about the fact that capitalism did not make blah blah blah identity an object of capital adulation. They were never communists, not before and not now.

Only the disingenuous, those peddling gerontic propaganda, and their toadies still peddle bullshit like that


 No.2887668

>>2887660

>Private property is a nonsense concept without that determination, and it cannot be maintained without violent enforcement by the entity that makes the determination.

Communism cannot be maintained without violent enforcement by the communists. Redistribution needs centralized oversight in order to happen, how is that going to be enforced if not through violence and the threat of violence? Also whatever organism is created for that oversight gains absolute power with no accountability, you're just going to trust them to step down once the redistribution is done or to do the redustribution in good faith?

>Currently, scarcity is caused not by a lack of productive capacity as was the case before industrialization but rather by the requirements of the present economic system. There already is enough of everything for everyone, but the people who would use those things do not always get them.

That producitve capacity exists thanks to the system of incentives that communists want to take down. This "artificial scarcity" that you talk about cannot be separated from the productive capacity.


 No.2887671

Who's the new Body Odor of this board? and what is the difference between leftpol and leftypol?


 No.2887674

File: f5eabb8e3d6889c⋯.jpg (34.09 KB, 570x321, 190:107, 1553636737368.jpg)

>>2886760

I'll see ya when i see ya maine


 No.2887677

>>2887667

That's some pretty fancy prose, did you write it yourself?

Now explain to me the difference between what you wrote and a simple "no true scotsman" argument, because I'm not seeing it. What makes your brand of communism more true than the brand that currently dominates leftist politics?


 No.2887682

>>2887668

In your first case, you concern yourself with a sense of redistribution in the case of physical wealth - of which there is little concern in the case of the re-metering of economic and productive capacities. The least of concerns is the seizure of capital in its factor endowment form, as these are merely products of the process of capital production of exchange. In the case of the means of production, in their generalized form, this is little more than reformatting the way in which production and economic optimization is calculated. This eschatological painting of crimson-clad paramilitaries depriving some disheveled and wailing businessman of a printing press or a industrial press is foolhardy. Redistribution is a much more nuanced process than, "man with gun threaten man that no have gun, this bad :🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧((", and given that this process would exist for a menial amount of time - there would be no need for any such consultative body to "step down" as their job would become essentially defunct as soon as a centre for economic calculation could be established. There is no human dependency present, so what are they to do? Any such committee, if one were ever convened for the sole purpose of the negligible task of redistribution, would be rendered redundant quickly.

>On the matter of productive capacities existing

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. It's nice that you're attempting to use the failure of the market system of exchange to create a sustainable and ubiquitous infrastructure for life on Earth as a plus, because it theoretically could do so. Fun, but here's a familiar phrase you've probably not oft had turned to you - theres a gap between your theoretical gesticulations and the real practical capacity for capitalism to do so. The artificial scarcity is entirely by the exercise of the market mechanism, there is no capacity for greater market exchange that will solve a problem that is entirely contingent to the existence of capital exchange in the first place. Nice try, though.


 No.2887688

>>2887677

Yes, as a matter of fact, I can actually read and write in an intelligible manner. I know you're not so used to that feature amongst your peers. In regards to the accusation of purity-baiting, I would say that communists have never shifted goalposts on several fundamental features of the system of thought, there is no need to attempt to change the fundamentals of materialist thought just because some group thinks it fashionable to wave a red and black flag. The clique that dominates contemporary """"""""left"""""""" politics has made apparent that they have an issue with capital only so far as it acts as a vector for hierarchical domination of some deprived group. They're not asking for the abolition of capital, merely that it be abolished as such that it deprives them of their "right to the spoils" afforded to everyone else. There're even some tendencies that go beyond this and call for total abolition, and you might rear up on your toes in eager anticipation that this is your mystery link; however, here, too, I must disappoint you. The major point to be made is that these groups have dissolved any sort of link to materialist thought in the maintenance of privilege or oppression, not as a contextual feature of individual societies or times, but as a consistent and ubiquitous characteristic of societies or ethnicities. It is from this exact point, trying to define and compartmentalize an innate structure of human consciousness and action as a means of conducting your politics, that they've stepped completely out of the bounds of Marxism. They're free to wave what flags they may, but these identity-oriented groups have eschewed the fundamental basis of communism in both philosophy and economic theory, the vast corpus of the base of all subsequent theorizing etc etc, for rainbow-coloured capitalism, ethnic essentialism and race antagonization.


 No.2887695

File: b55b4c91c3299a6⋯.png (1.48 MB, 1015x800, 203:160, X9XiJV9.png)

THE LEFTCOM TALIBAN PREVAILS OVER BOARD OWNER SOCIAL-IMPERIALISM

Hey remember when you purged all of the leftcoms? Can we come back now comrades? Siberia is quite cold this time of year and you may need our help with Perestroika.


 No.2887699

File: 94964e826d1fb50⋯.jpg (65.39 KB, 540x960, 9:16, 1532813779849.jpg)

>>2886760

You could've done better, but you could've done worse. On the other hand, this place wouldn't be what it is without your efforts –it wouldn't be at all– and respect must be given for that.

Thank you for your work, and the best of fortunes for the future.


 No.2887707

File: fc6b9d29c11792b⋯.png (190.71 KB, 744x790, 372:395, 77992378227924353423746.png)

>>2887682

>It's nice that you're attempting to use the failure of the market system of exchange to create a sustainable and ubiquitous infrastructure for life on Earth as a plus, because it theoretically could do so. Fun, but here's a familiar phrase you've probably not oft had turned to you - theres a gap between your theoretical gesticulations and the real practical capacity for capitalism to do so. The artificial scarcity is entirely by the exercise of the market mechanism, there is no capacity for greater market exchange that will solve a problem that is entirely contingent to the existence of capital exchange in the first place. Nice try, though.

Wat.

Greater market exchange?

What?!

I'm not trying to solve inequality or implying that capitalism can do that, because it can't, I'm saying that you can't separate inequality from the productive capacity because both are the result of the same system of incentives. If you remove "artificial scarcity" you lose that big productive capacity that you would need to make a communist society work. Communism is a pipe dream, a puzzle without a solution, and each time a new starry-eyed crusader attempts it, everything goes to shit and ends up even worse than under capitalism.


 No.2887712

I'm still on this board, so I can say, BO did a good job. Thank you, BO!


 No.2887713

Let me make a suggestion for a successor: Ismail


 No.2887714

>>2887661

>So they use the same communist class conflict model

They clearly do not if they divide class by idpol bullshit. A prole is a prole no matter his fanciful identity.


 No.2887724

>>2887714

It’s true! The bourgeoisie personally enforce private property with their bare hands like Batman.

Nazis are beyond criticism because they’re proles you see. Don’t sow division by saying anything bad about proles.


 No.2887725

File: bbea499b0425be6⋯.png (143.85 KB, 565x541, 565:541, bbea499b0425be64cbcc3409ad….png)

>>2887707

I know you're not trying to solve it, but you've left out a critical piece of what I said. That massive productive capacity in the market system comes at the expense of the energy output that damages the environment. It provides for neither the planet nor for society in general. Productive optimization, as described by Kantorovich, is impossible under capitalism which requires market signals and still functions under a burdensome and growing inefficiency as it grows. Losing artificial scarcity under capital exchange would destroy the productive capacity, precisely because the market necessitates that scarcity. That same thing cannot be said for economic calculation, where a stochastic system for socialist economics has no need of artificial scarcity and is able to conduct productive optimization. I typed all of that out, but what strikes me most clearly is your closing statement - I could never convince you, even with a great wealth of empirical evidence to the contrary, of the viability and preferability of our mode of economic conduct, precisely because you function in manner relative to your ideological hatred for communist projects. Nice smug anime photo btw


 No.2887729

>>2887724

The proletariat is the proletariat, no one is making grandiose claims that they're are deterministically bound to our cause. No one is claiming that a substantive critique can't be made of ideological structures in society at large. just that the basis for identity politics is fundamentally at odds with Marxist theory - not "proles are inherently good" workerism bullshit


 No.2887731

>>2887729

>The proletariat is the proletariat,

>Another whitetariat ignoring the racist superstructure that has reinforced the base for centuries.

Read "Settlers"


 No.2887732

>>2887729

>just that the basis for identity politics is fundamentally at odds with Marxist theory

>The state makes white people's material conditions completely different that black people's after WWII.

>Pointing out that white people defend this status quo is anti-Marxist

The whitetariat stokes again.


 No.2887735

>>2886760

Thank You for your service.

I found this place in spring 1915. Loved the discussions, shitposting, the bookreccomendations. Even though there was a lot of salt due to differung opinions, like its always on imageboards, it was sometimes accompanied by genuine solidarity. Read Lenin and some of mao.Never was much of an ML.Always liked the anarchists for their hatred of Tyranny. Never was one of them. Always hated Fashists. Always dispised Liberals. Will eternally hate capitalism. Thank you for founding this mess.Fuck you for messing it up and causing the split. Even thou the Kurds arguably endet up selling out, at that time it wasnt clear how things whould develop. If this ahould have been handled differently , maybe the community whould still be alright. Im not butthurt because I was b&. In fact, I never got banned from shitposting here. Even that time in mid 2017 when I was ironicly claiming that the Kurds where not imperialist because "relationsships between countries are of an dynamic nature" and shit like that in a germany thread. The three or so stashposters that where in the thread where absolutely assblasted at me.The guy wo endet up beeing known as Tomostache was propably among them. Good Times.

I hope you will do well wherever you are going now. Hope you will be able to to have the impact you seek to make. The thread where we celebrated the outcome of the election was nice btw.


 No.2887740

>>2887731

>>2887732

Oh, never mind, it's you. If you were any other person, it would be prudent to point out that trying to create a categorical distinction that attempts to lob entire groups into a deterministic corral, but you genuinely believe J. Sakai even in the glaring absence of a more specific definition of a 'labor aristocracy', throwing the quality of your insight into the very quantitative field of economic development and division in with the likes of the MTW and racial essentialists. I am actually really glad you showed up so that it is even more abundantly apparent to the visiting anon what a non-communist who dresses in red paint looks like. You can keep your one-dimensional, linear interpretations of history and its processes to yourself. Its better that way.


 No.2887741

>>2887732

>whitetariat

fuck off back to pol


 No.2887754

>>2887740

>Haughty word salad that could have just been summed up with a fuck you.

Lol, white people are landed with few exceptions. Housing has skyrocketed in value even though wages have remained flat. White people are cool with this and actively support this status quo because in real buying terms their buying power has increased as productivity has. And they’ve proven they couldn’t give a fuck about all the unlanded people, mostly black.

White peoples are landed while black people aren’t because of racist government policies that white love to pretend are meritorious.

Even most poor white people simply see themselves as embarrassed future homeowners. It’s all about hismat honkey. Something /leftypol/ loooooves to ignore when to comes to white people. Oh but then again maybe it’s really BLM and not the trillions in appreciation on property that white people have been borrowing against LMAO. Get a brain Moran.


 No.2887759

File: 34e4db3a740ef3a⋯.png (26.3 KB, 500x522, 250:261, hello-yes-this-is-bait-267….png)

>>2887732

>I'm guilty for something I didn't do


 No.2887761

>>2887759

>M-m-m-muh white guilt

Whitetrians: the real Dindus.


 No.2887769

>>2887668

>Redistribution needs centralized oversight in order to happen

Why? It never does in other stateless societies.

>That producitve capacity exists thanks to the system of incentives that communists want to take down.

And the productive capacity that was necessary for capitalism to bloom existed thanks to feudalism. That's just historical materialism.

>This "artificial scarcity" that you talk about cannot be separated from the productive capacity.

Artificial scarcity is unique to commodity production, but there is nothing definative about commodities that makes production possible.


 No.2887771

>>2887761

>white guilt

Hmmm, I don't remember saying that. Maybe you're confusing condemning the stupid idea of people being guilty because of some long dead Injuns with chauvinist "reeeee, stand for flag!!!1"kys b8 fag


 No.2887808

>>2887771

>Hmmm, I don't remember saying that.

Yes you did.

>Maybe you're confusing condemning the stupid idea of people being guilty because of some long dead Injuns with chauvinist "reeeee, stand for flag!!!1"

>Your white spooks being so assblasted you reference something that nobody knows what you're talking about.


 No.2887816

>>2887808

>Yes you did.

I was just stating that you don't inherit your actions

>Your white spooks being so assblasted you reference something that nobody knows what you're talking about.

I brought up long dead uninfluential injuns because that's the only argument "read muh settler" types have.


 No.2887837

File: 31028bc9322e021⋯.jpg (9.61 KB, 255x191, 255:191, d2c001f8a277a599fad57bfaf0….jpg)

LET US FINALLY EMBED VIDEOS YOU PSYCHOPATHIC MANDRILL FASCIST


 No.2887856

>>2886849

>things never change for the worse


 No.2887859

>>2887713

PLEASE


 No.2887877

>>2887273

Based BO


 No.2887894

File: 599a17813c5c2e4⋯.png (147.66 KB, 362x558, 181:279, !!!.png)

This is all #GamerGate's fault abet, indirectly

Blame them.


 No.2887906

>>2887713

Tbh this. Ismail has both the time and maturity to know when to ban and when not to. If anything, he holds off banning so he can engage in the argument himself.


 No.2887913

File: 521f5ca4eb4f71f⋯.jpg (41.5 KB, 512x512, 1:1, Jason-Unruhe.jpg)

There's only one man who could run /leftypol/ properly.


 No.2887923

I vote Johnny Neptune for new BO


 No.2887981

>>2887713

Let me make a suggestion: fuck off. We don't want or need your cult leader.

The new BO should be the eternal anonymous Anon not some eceleb.


 No.2888037

>>2887981

Question, who is Ismail? I know he is BO for /marx/ and is quite knowledgeable on theory, but from what I gather is also involved in other leftist activities online. Can you help a newfag out and explain who exactly he is


 No.2888050

I think we need to be ruled by a Troika. Keeps /pol/ guessing as to who's really in charge ala "Kremlinology"


 No.2888051

>>2888050

Unironically a good idea. Council / shared leadership is better anyways.


 No.2888052

>>2888037

I thought he was involved in the APL although I might be wrong. Look up the Red Phoenix. Hoxhaism.

>>2887913

He was born for this job


 No.2888059

For the next team managing this place, it would be great to implement some accountability and recallability, fuck me if i know how that can be made within an anonymous imageboard though.


 No.2888079

>>2887376

Most of leftpol's userbase are leftypol oldfags. A lot of people on leftypol in the last year a redditors and twitterfags.


 No.2888086

>>2886939

Who is arbitrating quality faggot, in my opinion the quality and quantity and banter was better pre split. It is simply because only retards see the Kurds as imperial puppets, the most vulgar and illiterate. With them in control good posters were banned for actually knowing things


 No.2888125

>>2887707

<Communism is a pipe dream, a puzzle without a solution, and each time a new starry-eyed crusader attempts it, everything goes to shit and ends up even worse than under capitalism.

🤔

>workers and illiterate peasants rise up

>electrification of the country, schools and hospitals pop up everywhere, first guy in space, world power

>change to capitalism

>mass unemployment, homelessness, major drop in average lifespan

inb4 "it wasn't real capitalism"

>>2887981

that post was a joke you autist


 No.2888126

File: 516188f5521f59a⋯.jpg (80.2 KB, 401x580, 401:580, chadfamily.jpg)

>>2888037

A guy who scans old socialist books and puts them online. He was pretty famous from what I know back on revleft. He isn't involved in much besides scanning books from my knowledge. I guess he posts on Chapo and communist subreddits.

>>2887981

If this post has dubs I've been declared for the supreme soviet of /leftypol/.


 No.2888133

>>2887713

I'm too busy with other stuff to remotely look after this board. I'm content with running /marx/.

>>2888052

I was one of those who helped create the American Party of Labor, but I was never really active in it. I haven't been a Hoxhaist in years.

>>2888126

Yes, I scan books. They can be found here: https://archive.org/details/@ismail_badiou

I have many more books to scan.


 No.2888137

File: 902bb9a71373f4e⋯.webm (510.51 KB, 640x360, 16:9, wow.webm)

>>2887010

Updated-

>65% believes BO's work was more negative

>35% believes BO's work was more positive

>Over a half have a rating between 1 and 3.

>Over a third of people give a rating of "complete shit, wtf were you thinking?"

>There are more people who gave BO's work the lowest possible score than people who gave it any sort of positive rating.

Hilarious.


 No.2888141

>>2888137

1 might have been too harsh given how well the board was run the first few years, but I'm still upset with how much BO fucked everything to death the past couple years. This place used to be so comfy and fun. ;_;


 No.2888145

File: 8f593c1148c67fb⋯.png (959.99 KB, 1000x2050, 20:41, old leftypol meme.png)

>>2888141

I agree, 2015-2017 (wasn't here for 2014 but I know it was good) were the good old days. The constant banter against maoists and MLs wouldn't sit well with many people who use leftypol today. Not to mention how the over-moderation has drastically decreased the quality of OC. Not surprising we haven't had any good memes like we used to (Alyuna, bunkers, porkie, nazbol gang etc).

I doubt things will go back to the way they were, not even on leftpol. We'll see if people's attitudes will change, but I doubt it.


 No.2888149

>>2888133

didn't know you were into badiou


 No.2888169

>>2888149

I'm not, I just had to pick a pseudonym when I first started uploading books and I had nothing cooler than "Badiou" in mind. I haven't actually read anything by him.


 No.2888173

>>2886760

F and fuck you


 No.2888185

>>2888145

Shit meme, I can sense the kind of leftoid clown that made this - they like Che and even name an ideology after him (typical brainlet signifier) because he died early and has cool imagery. He's a "safe" revolutionary to like. Castro actually had to run a country and deal with gusanos, guess whoever made this meme got scared by "Castro took my family's plantation" stories.


 No.2888201

>>2887981

>Ismail

>cult-leader

>probably just because he is a Leninist

>meanwhile the guy is a knowledgeable comrade dedicated to the cause

This is exactly the kind of demagogy (portrayed as "lively discussion" by the salt golems of /lefptol/) that BO took care of.

<But the very fact that you select so hideous a phrase as “pushing on from outside” — a phrase which cannot but rouse in the workers (at least in the workers who are as unenlightened as you yourselves) a sense of distrust towards all who bring them political knowledge and revolutionary experience from outside, which cannot but rouse in them an instinctive desire to resist all such people — proves you to be demagogues, and demagogues are the worst enemies of the working class.

<And, please — don’t hasten howling about my “uncomradely methods” of debating. I have not the least desire to doubt the purity of your intentions. As I have said, one may become a demagogue out of sheer political innocence. But I have shown that you have descended to demagogy, and I will never tire of repeating that demagogues are the worst enemies of the working class. The worst enemies, because they arouse base instincts in the masses, because the unenlightened worker is unable to recognise his enemies in men who represent themselves, and sometimes sincerely so, as his friends. The worst enemies, because in the period of disunity and vacillation, when our movement is just beginning to take shape, nothing is easier than to employ demagogic methods to mislead the masses, who can realise their error only later by bitter experience.


 No.2888206

>>2888137

>retards from /b2/, /pol/, /leftpol/ raid the thread

>suddenly BO is The tranny satan incarnate

At least pretend to be an adult.

>>2887471

>>2887010


 No.2888207

>>2887677

>that currently dominates leftist politics?

I do not see that leftist (whatever you may think that means) politics is dominated by any particular ideology.


 No.2888208

>>2888169

IMO Badiou, Zizek, and Political Transformations: The Cadence of Change is a worthy starting point. "Badiou" does sound cool, tho.

>>2888185

Not to mention:

>the inconsistency of putting a market "socialist" on the same tier as the main opponents of market economies


 No.2888221

>>2888185

It was made in 2015ish to represent the consensus of the board and was one of the most commonly posted memes at the time. You wouldn't get it because it was probably made before you came here.

>>2888206

Yeah I know about the raid. None of those threads linked or even mentioned the strawpoll so I presumed it didn't have an effect. Doesn't matter now because any criticism of Body Oder can be blamed on raiding, how convenient.


 No.2888229

File: 9790981edeb4872⋯.png (66.77 KB, 1875x334, 1875:334, 1.png)

File: b12c24e75a947de⋯.png (31.66 KB, 783x180, 87:20, le.png)

File: 94a796861aa9040⋯.png (59.48 KB, 1622x158, 811:79, dr Graeber.png)

File: 3a34deded5ca39b⋯.png (31.31 KB, 952x151, 952:151, anarchie.png)

Due to the influx of the aforementioned raid threads and the return of some /leftpol/ personalities the board is now no.4. on 8chan. Naziposting, Stirnerposting, Bookchinposting, general hot takes are more frequent. This is the "quality" that the "tyrannical" BO sacrificed.


 No.2888238

>>2888201

this, there is literally no reason to shit on Ismail. he is a genuinely nice guy who scans a ton of books and /marx/ is a super comfy place for learning about socialism. the guy is basically a walking encyclopedia, and i've yet to see any arguments against him that aren't just brainlets crying about "muh book quoter" like it's a bad thing. reading is how you actually learn shit and sourcing is how you back up your points. what do you expect him to do? god forbid someone read a books, and then cite them in discussions! truly unspeakable.


 No.2888241

>>2888229

It'll die down after the raiding stops. Also you screencaps are hardly anything to cry over.


 No.2888248

>>2888229

Communism IS a stateless classless society based on a socialist gift-economy. I stuck around despite BO being an idiot. I didn't bother with /leftpol/. Communism predates Marx and Marx adheres to that definition of communism in Critique of the Gotha Program. Either make an informed rebuttal or fuck off you retarded faggot.


 No.2888257

File: 2b5939069cf1162⋯.png (615.02 KB, 1673x804, 1673:804, 3.png)

File: a6a3feb5cd3313a⋯.png (69.96 KB, 1345x386, 1345:386, 2.png)

File: d724d5c8426d63a⋯.png (463.06 KB, 1299x757, 1299:757, 1.png)

>>2888241

I'm not crying, I'm showing. Several posters reminisced over a (whitewashed) "loss of quality" after the split. Everyone can make his mind up.

>>2888248

Show me one (1) place where Marx argues for a gift economy. At best one could argue that he identified primitive communism as such, but not the highly industrialized and collectively managed modern society that communism will be.

Your trickery is this: you project Graeber's anachronistic fetish for Native American societies onto Marx.


 No.2888263

File: 250b9a83409ca7a⋯.png (91.75 KB, 1671x240, 557:80, 1.png)

>>2888257

Such quality overload.


 No.2888266

File: 1a5c7ebd7729b02⋯.jpg (21.06 KB, 334x400, 167:200, frustratedche.jpg)

File: ac995f2f8100b94⋯.jpeg (151.98 KB, 960x917, 960:917, main-qimg-09f537394e07149….jpeg)

File: 0877649ad425c35⋯.jpg (495.54 KB, 1365x2048, 1365:2048, 34963706 263170824420259 5….jpg)

>>2888145

>Che, a Marxist-Leninist, is marked as good tier while the people he supported and defended are shit tier and below


 No.2888276

It's over isn't it? Old leftypol is never going to come back isn't it?

The old pro-BO people are still too prideful to admit their mistake and the mood is full of spite. Remember when we were dabbing on reddit for this very same attitude? How could we have fallen so low?


 No.2888318

>>2888248

>Communism predates Marx

I don't see how that's relevant though. 99% of people who discuss communism have Marx (or at least figures like Kropotkin) in mind, not Étienne Cabet or people from the 18th or even earlier centuries. In ancient Greece you had figures like Pythagoras whose supporters sought to live in a "communistic" manner, but these have barely anything in common with modern conceptions of communist society.


 No.2888320

>>2887981

>BOOK MAN BAD

Now this is the sort of high-calibre posting we've been missing ever since the split.

>>2888248

>Communism IS […] based on a socialist gift-economy

But it isn't. Planned economy != gift economy.


 No.2888333

>>2888263

>>2888257

>waaaah people don't agree with me :(


 No.2888365

>>2888333

Nice double triplets.

more like

>idiots are back


 No.2888366

>>2886760

So how did the Tox session go comrade vols?


 No.2888368

>>2888333

>everything I don't understand is fascism

And you guys call leftypol reddit-tier?


 No.2888369

File: 63d112ca8feeeca⋯.jpg (102.72 KB, 867x1300, 867:1300, 19093540-laughing-young-wo….jpg)

>>2888201

>salt golems


 No.2888381

File: 22a455b63045786⋯.jpg (17.69 KB, 250x334, 125:167, CheyFidel.jpg)

>>2888145

Holy fuck that pic is so retarded it's actually brilliant. It's like a perfect representation of the views of a redditor who found out about r/socialism two weeks ago.

>bunch of retarded, made up "tendencies" that don't actually exist ("Luxemburgism", "Stalinism", "Castroism", "Guevarism")

Stop making up -ism's for every socialist in history.

>Guevara in "good tier" and Castro in "shit tier"

This is absolutely laughable, but the reason this distinction was made is obvious. Guevara died earlier and is a cool little icon to put on pins and t-shirts worn by liberal hipsters, while Castro is not. If anything, Guevara was more of a """Stalinist""" than Castro, so if he was lower than Castro, at least this image would be somewhat internally consistent, but no. What an absolute mess of radlib reddit leftism.

>distinction between "Leninism" and "Marxism-Leninism"

I know this distinction is accepted among a lot of internet socialists, but it doesn't really exist historically. Stalin's book is called "The Foundations of Leninism", and the anti-Stalinist League of Communists of Yugoslavia still called themselves Marxist-Leninists. Historically, the terms "Leninism" and "Marxism-Leninism" have been synonymous.

>Titoism in god tier

Just more evidence the person who made the image became an expert on socialism five minutes ago by listening to RD Wolff (babbys first marxism) lectures.


 No.2888413

>>2888381

I think that the argument can be made that "Marxism-Leninism" is a redundant term in many ways. The most obvious reason being that Leninism is Marxism, pure and simple, applied to (historically) specific conditions. But of course there are implications within Lenin's oeuvre regarding organizational principles that move beyond said conditions, hence it is pretty much the logical extension of Marx's own thoughts on the subject. That some (*hint*) would have aversions to (or shy away from, if you prefer) being called an ML (termed by comrade Stalin) has to do more with Stalin's mechanistic interpretation of diamat (of which Lenin writes extensively). To make clear, this has nothing to do with the (overall positive) achievements of Stalin, but rather a name termed by him, and trends – arguably – diverging from Marx himself.

Otherwise, your post is pretty solid.


 No.2888415

The BO's main problem has always been conflating opposition as implicit support. If you don't like maduro therefore you support the US overthrowing him. If you don't support Iran therefore you support the US invading them. If you dislike marxism-leninism you support facism, etc. It's just so obviously bad reasoning.


 No.2888416

>>2888381

>>2888413

LEFTYPOL IS AN HIVE MIND

REDDIT SAFE-SPACE CONFIRMED


 No.2888422

>>2888415

>conflating opposition as implicit support

If you look at a chess table with chess pieces having already taken positions, with possible (positive or negative) moves already given, you literally can't argue for another, "more optimal" state of the game without becoming an idealist. The game is set. Moves have been made. You build upon what is presented.

To argue, for example, that "under better or optimal conditions you'd win the game in 3 moves" does not address the game at hand.

To discontinue this parallel: sure, argue for an anarcho-communist utopia in Venezuela, but with the NECESSARY addition of how to actually get there… What (existing or to be built) political collective under what political aegis gives those desired results, and so on.

Otherwise your post (anti-Maduro, etc.) will MEAN (whether you like it or not) that you have aligned yourself with the opposing forces.

Again, on a given play-field with two opposing players you can't say that you support a third, nonexistent one, without playing into this or that side's game.

Sure, push your bookchin-inspired bullshit (for example) in venezuela, but be ready to address what is given.


 No.2888423

>>2888422

Also: if you think that BO or "le tankys" don't have totally legit criticisms of Chavez or Maduro, you are not lurking enough and posting too much.


 No.2888437

>>2888422

>>2888423

OK so you concede yourself that you can be critical of these things without supporting those who also oppose them. There does indeed exist "legitimate criticisms".


 No.2888439

>>2888437

So for example, someone might be justified in saying the economy of venezuelan is capitalist and the government is corrupt but that doesn't mean they support the violent overthrow of the government


 No.2888447

>>2888439

>someone might be justified in saying the economy of venezuelan is capitalist

yeah

>and the government is corrupt

no, ridiculous blanket statement and regime changer bullshit


 No.2888452

I'm one of the people who is bitter about the split and 2017 moderation issues, and remember fondly the times when hoochie was just the anfem shitposter and leftcoms posted huge walls of text on the intricacies of Marxist theory, but despite this I think (You) did an overrall okay job at being a BO, and I'm glad you made this lively leftist imageboard to shitpost on. Farewell OP.


 No.2888457

>>2888437

>you concede yourself that you can be critical of these things

If this is all you've gotten from my post you have some issues regarding reading comprehension, my friend. In other words: I "concede" jack shit.

>There does indeed exist "legitimate criticisms".

Who said this wasn't the case?

Again,

<<you are not lurking enough and posting too much

>>2888439

>someone might be justified in saying the economy of venezuelan is capitalist

Who would argue otherwise on this board? See above redtext.


 No.2888460

>>2888381

uhh sorry sweaty, I don't think we need to listen to authoritarian stalinist state-capitalists :🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧) anarcho-bordigism not "marxism"-leninism ok??

For real though, I've gotta say I don't quite get the nostalgia for "old" /leftypol/. I can't say much for anyone else, but when I first ended up here I was a babby ancom who couldn't do much but repeat argumentum ad statecapitalism - which seemed to be the prevailing tendency on the board at the time. Nothing against ancoms, mind.

It's kinda clear that looking back at shit like this meme, the way that one screencap of the North Korean guy saying "we enjoy many commodities" was used as "proof" of the DPRK being state-capitalist, etc. etc. that, no matter how many epic memes and hilarious shitposts there were, the general theoretical level of the board wasn't too great. Don't get me wrong, I welcome reasoned arguments and criticisms, but shit like "the fact that this one guy said something that got translated in a certain way is PROOF that the DPRK is actually state-capitalist" is something that I'm glad we - for the most part, at least - left behind, even if it did mean the board lost a little bit of its lightheartedness.


 No.2888487

File: 1f9ac74bfc22e2f⋯.png (72.6 KB, 982x949, 982:949, votecount.png)

>>2886963

So let's recap.

If you (pretend to) believe that the very founder of this board is worth a "1/10" (that is, lowest) rating, you are either a salt golem from leftpol or a /pol/ or /b2/ raider. You are objectively wrong – sorry to break it to you. The very "good old days" you cry about was founded by OP, who is also BO. Without giving at least a single "one up" for the fact of establishing this (somewhat miraculous) space you out yourself as a demagogue with an agenda. Sorry, fren.

Disregarding these dishonest autists, we have a total 49 voters: pic = 77 (total voters) minus 28 ("totally legit voters"). Which means that we have comrades rating (the resigning) BO at

<OVERALL POSITIVE:

>10/10: 3

>9/10: 2

>8/10: 4

>7/10: 12

>6/10: 8

(Overall: 27 votes.)

<OVERALL NEUTRAL:

>5/10: 2

(Overall: 2 votes.)

<OVERALL NEGATIVE:

>4/10: 6

>3/10: 7

>2/10: 5

(Overall: 18.)

t. someone who has been banned dozens of times

p.s. suck my dick, /leftpol/ cretins and underread degenerates

>>2887010

>>2887011

>>2887471


 No.2888488

>>2888460

There were a couple leftcom effort posters who, even though I disagree with them on a lot of things, definitely knew their shit. But overall I agree with you. I remember those threads were that Hoxha poster and some tank poster would write long effort posts about the USSR, quoting Marx and discussing in detail the economic and political system of the Soviet Union, and a million ancom posters would reply with some variation of "DUDE STATE CAPITALISM LMAO".


 No.2888505

>>2888487

I'm not a math-rocket-scientist, but it seems to me that the mean rating of BO is at around 6-7. It would be very nice to see BO actually list his side of the story, since he is sudokuing himself after an honorary service.

→ what did BO see as the main challenges of the board over time?;

→ with what and for what reasons he chose the steps he took?;

→ why did he start "iron fisting" after an Backstabbin' Bernie primary?;

→ how does he feel about the future of /leftypol/ ?;

→ what will he concentrate upon after resigning?;

→ what does he REALLY think about "le split"?

… I could go on.

I think that these questions are not just in my head but collectively seated in all of ours. Since he resigned it would be nice to see him answer these questions, but also to point towards the future of this board. (Sorry, if this sounds to ML-ish, but for fuck's sake, BO, you've been our anonymous "leader" for 5 years, and your input on these issues SHOULD be considered CRUCIAL!)


 No.2888519

>>2888505

ALSO:

→ Will (former) BO continue on as a "regular" VOL?


 No.2888525

File: 20f0d8a5ede2aac⋯.png (189.48 KB, 1428x292, 357:73, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2888488

>There were a couple leftcom effort posters who, even though I disagree with them on a lot of things, definitely knew their shit

Oh yeah agreed, as I say I'm not against reasoned criticism and well-thought-out arguments, but rather the vulgar contrarianism that used to characterise a lot of the state-capitalism-posting. I just feel like, I dunno, the board… "grew up"? Not saying that ancoms and leftcoms are dumb babbies and MLs are eternally wise sages - I've encountered plenty of well-read ancoms with reasoned critiques of the USSR that I might even agree with (at least in part) and plenty of "Belarus is socialism because it has Soviet aesthetics"-tier "ML"s - but that those that stuck around over time tended towards a more nuanced view of historical socialist projects. Like, at one point butterflyposter (if you remember them) would've fit in well; aggressive condemnation of Lenin as an evil authoritarian right-communist state-capitalist bureaucrat while simultaneously taking pride in the fact that they'd never read a page of anything he wrote and refusing any kind of materialist analysis of why the Russian revolution played out how it did. Which, tbf, is how I'd wager a decent amount of us started off here.


 No.2888546

>>2888525

Oh god. I remember that annoying prick.


 No.2888698

>>2888546

It's the one time I've encountered unashamed aggressive ignorance sufficient to make me start capping posts. I still wonder sometimes whether they were sincere or just a hardcore shitposter. Good riddance either way tbh.


 No.2888703

>>2886760

>There were downsides to the naive/hands-off moderation approach, such as the massive promotion and shilling of one big US military base in Syria

Imagine getting tripped up by your own wordfilter.


 No.2888711

>>2888487

Authoritarians stuffing the ballot and reinterpreting the results to enable their own agenda? There's a fucking shocker.

I voted 3/10 but the hurt from BOs actions is real and I can see why people would put 1/10.

Inb4 lol, having feels over some dumb imageboard.


 No.2888714

>>2888711

>Authoritarians stuffing the ballot and reinterpreting the results to enable their own agenda? There's a fucking shocker.

someone call john bolton pronto


 No.2888730

>>2888698

they were genuinely retarded. i'm pretty sure she resides in /leftpol/ now or at least used to when i banned her. people like her do exist, mainly on anarchist twitter with the likes of holly.


 No.2888732

File: a8ab0f526fceda4⋯.png (18.25 KB, 523x276, 523:276, ClipboardImage.png)

File: b3195697ae7de67⋯.png (24.43 KB, 534x439, 534:439, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 5b95b892e88e1c0⋯.png (9.2 KB, 461x154, 461:154, ClipboardImage.png)

File: faebd7423651235⋯.png (14.36 KB, 486x246, 81:41, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2888711

>1917+102

>unironic "muh authoritarians"

Daily reminder that existing anarchism has been every bit as "authoritarian" as existing socialism.

>>2888730

>i'm pretty sure she resides in /leftpol/ now

I remember them encouraging others to go there, at least, yeah.


 No.2888746

>pro-BO people still too prideful to admit they were in the wrong

>literally casting away 28 votes in order to justify themselves


 No.2888747

>>2888746

>muh flawless internet polls


 No.2888748

>>2888747

uhh raider votes are valid too you fricking authoritarian!!!


 No.2888749

File: 418e81b97eb60f8⋯.gif (2.67 MB, 240x180, 4:3, 1e6a8089b0f079f768e87ce200….gif)

Yo BO, I think you did a good job, especially regarding the fags who LITERALLY SHOOK over damn word filters. It was obvious they're new to imageboards. Your spergouts weren't that bad, as far as these go. I'm used to disgruntled admins deleting entire forums or leaking really private shit, so the fact that you stuck by the board despite the stress. I also forgive you for banning me for calling Maduro out for the Menshevik fuck he is please don't ban me again.

>I think a better discourse is possible and I want to eventually work towards that

Oh believe me, I know. It seems all the biggest community formats on the current internet foster echo chambers and petty bickering rather than actual debate. Frankly, imageboards seem like the best least worst format as far as dialog goes, because the rest – Reddit, Facebook, and most of all, Twitter – are flawed both by design and by execution. They're not useless, but worse than useless, because they promote empty rhetoric under the almost fully false guise of dialectics. They make forums and Usenet look like fucking Socratic dialogues. There must be a better way to argue on the internet.

So long, and thanks for not deleting the board.


 No.2888754

>>2888747

>>2888748

Are you trying to say that a large amount of people being upset at BO isn't true or that leftypol hasn't declined since the split?


 No.2888760

File: e937c1a9b0c7b16⋯.jpg (66.82 KB, 1200x740, 60:37, e93.jpg)

>>2888730

Nah, they basically straight up left. Friendly reminder to all that there is no such thing as a decent tripfag, and there will never be any such thing as a decent tripfag.

>>2888487

>refusing to count votes because they hurt your feelings

That is retarded, and you seem to be misunderstanding how the board was actually run. Until the debacle, the board owner had a rather absent role in moderation and would log in every now and then to make sure the vols weren't abusing their powers. The board was good not because of his actions, but because of an absence of them. Imageboard communities are made by their users, not owners.

We were expected to ban people on the basis of shit talking almost any nation which had bad relations with the USA. People were banned for even mentioning that Iran or Iraq murdered their communists or saying Mugabe was incompetent. The rule was a clause for the BO to get rid of posters too different from his own beliefs, and most of the moderation team rightfully refused to uphold it as a result. One of the mods who openly opposed it was removed as a result.

>>2888748

The strawpoll has not been mentioned in any raid thread, but probably will now that people are sperging out about it. Do you really mean to tell me in a board where over two thirds of the userbase left due to problems with moderation, nobody could possibly have a problem with the ex-owner? That's delusional.


 No.2888761

File: 51c2d337c240c00⋯.gif (5.36 MB, 500x375, 4:3, Jim-Harbaugh.gif)

Ah, remember when BO lost his shit over Hot Wheels bringing /leftypol/ back up last? While the anons all took it in stride as the bantz that it was, he started trying to convince everyone to go to bunkerchan. Everyone was all like, "goddamn, take a pill that isn't HRT and relax" while he was screaming about the zomgfascist admins. It was both funny and embarrassing.


 No.2888765

>>2888760

Based Vol

>>2888761

Yeah I remember that


 No.2888771

>>2888761

>Ah, remember when BO lost his shit over Hot Wheels bringing /leftypol/ back up last

Hotwheels was gone by then


 No.2888774

>>2888765

Guess which vol is not going to be the next BO.


 No.2888776

>>2888771

Hot Wheels will always be Glorious Leader.


 No.2888843

File: 0a2349a584230db⋯.jpg (4.16 MB, 5312x2988, 16:9, 20181206_180801.jpg)

What happens when capitalists take to the stars? Will it mean the unfettered growth of capitalism for infinity? Destroying planet after planet?

How will this beast be tamed?


 No.2888845

>>2888730

Butterfly? She's quite popular on 4ch's /lit/. I've seen her accuse USSR of state capitalism few times. She said Marxist, while having good intentions are pretty much Hitler in practice or close to that.


 No.2888877

File: 268b2233df92249⋯.jpg (78.98 KB, 1000x500, 2:1, comics.jpg)

tl;dr


 No.2888879

File: d89b7265e0100d5⋯.png (4.14 KB, 341x63, 341:63, muhwords.png)

File: ba0ae2bc997ee79⋯.png (90.51 KB, 1114x526, 557:263, toomanywords.png)

>>2888877

TL;DR /pol/ is proud to be illiterate


 No.2888906

>>2887441

WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE


 No.2888935

How does one become a Board Volunteer? I'm a regular since 2015, might as well be of some utility to this board.


 No.2888944

File: b428eb525dafaa2⋯.mp4 (272.59 KB, 480x360, 4:3, READ NIGGA READ.mp4)


 No.2888945


 No.2888947


 No.2888955

File: 88c085545d46b3a⋯.mp4 (15.83 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, The absolute state of left….mp4)

>>2888698

>>2888525

Butterfly poster still regularly advertises his ego on half/lit. He's a proper pseud (like Rebel was). You can tell by just looking at his word salads:

>right-communist/capitalist authoritarian bourgeoisie pagophobist

>>2888698

>unashamed aggressive ignorance

This.

>>2888714

kek

BO needs to be Guaidó'd

>>2888754

If you haven't figured it out yet: many of us believe that the quality of leftypol actually improved after the split. We thank you for creating your own insane asylum, leftpol.


 No.2888973

>>2888955

>the attached mp4

>leftpol users supporting "muh democracy"

Wtf? I thought Trotskyites were the neocons in the making, not ancoms


 No.2888992

>>2888973

We've been working overtime, friend.


 No.2888993

>>2888955

beautiful mp4 fam


 No.2889042

>>2888754

>Are you trying to say that a large amount of people being upset at BO isn't true

No, people are definitely mad.

>or that leftypol hasn't declined since the split?

You mean less epin shitposts per hour? Maybe, I guess. You mean the general level of discussion has suffered? I'd disagree. If anything the lack of "MUH STATE CAPITALISM MUH AUTHORITARIANISM GOOGLE BOOKCHIN" has been something of a plus.

>>2888955

Pagophobia is a fear of ice, so I have no idea what they even meant by that last bit there tbh.


 No.2889081

>>2888973

The most prolific /leftpol/ guy with an ancom flag is in reality a rose who promotes nationalism and calls Joe Hill and the old IWW scabs because they moved from their countries of birth to take jobs elsewhere. He also seems to believe that reformist politics in the First World ended the Gilded Age and won rights for workers. Don't ask him for a source on that or he bitches off.


 No.2889085

>>2889042

This board is a pathetic shadow of what it was, not just before the split (it was already going downhill then), but rather all the way back before the BO lost his shit and started trying to convince people to move. That was when things really fell apart, when he started stacking the vol team with sycophants and genuine loons. Now it's just teams reciting their own party lines at one another.


 No.2889086

>>2889085

You sound like a pagophobic bitch, tbh fam.


 No.2889121

>>2888238

Look it’s another Ismail-worshiper. Fuck off to your containment board so he can quote gospel to the masses and enlighten you with His infinite knowledge.


 No.2889132

File: e1729e581361c21⋯.jpg (56.43 KB, 550x550, 1:1, 974976.jpg)

>>2889121

🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧


 No.2889134

>>2889132

>reddit meme

Go suck Ismail’s cock, Dengoid


 No.2889183

File: dfc1e7208832630⋯.jpg (231.05 KB, 1000x1250, 4:5, eating.jpg)

>>2888935

As much as I'd like to see fellow oldfags in the moderation team, I'm not sure we need any right now. When the new BO comes to power, I'm sure we'll discuss whether or not we need new mods.

>>2889042

>You mean less epin shitposts per hour? Maybe, I guess. You mean the general level of discussion has suffered? I'd disagree. If anything the lack of "MUH STATE CAPITALISM MUH AUTHORITARIANISM GOOGLE BOOKCHIN" has been something of a plus.

I don't remember it that way at all. This has always been relatively small on the board, and people from outside have blown it drastically out of proportion. The mass also bans never targeted people saying 'Google Bookchin', the meme died out on its own as a result of people getting sick of how forced it was, so the BO's actions are not relevant to it. Alongside communalism losing favour due to people (mostly ancoms and leftcoms) pointing out flaws in Bookchin in general.

In fact, you can check this for yourself as a result of /pol/ obsessively archiving the board with wayback machine. I personally checked the catalogue and some threads of May 15th, 2017, August 2nd 2016, May 2nd 2016 and a few other dates in '16 and '17 I've forgotten and found basically no meme spam and only a single "Google Bookchin". Opinions seem fairly divided, too, rather than overwhelming "state capitalist" consensus and spam.

I'd say the only real time /leftypol/ has been this giant meme pit of shitposting that people claim it is was in some parts of 2015 when the moderation team was basically nonexistent. It wasn't even this during the quality dip after the c-ville drama.

>>2889085

>when he started stacking the vol team with sycophants and genuine loons

Never happened, at least not successfully. Nobody who was chosen as a mod in that period agreed with the ""imperialism"" bans and they refused to uphold the rule. A significant amount of the mods tried to undo the bans, especially when it came to more retarded offences like "Saddam wasn't a socialist" or "Serbia is gay". I don't know about people modded later on, though.


 No.2889200

Well its been nice BO.

Board was the shit for the first few years, big part of my life.

I just hope whoever you pick doesnt have as much autistic fits as you did from time to time so that the anarkiddies can come back from leftpol and we can stop having this community split.

PS if you ever need another mod, hit me up, might as well janitor here as well when I get on. European janitors are far and few between anyway. Otherwise, thanks for all of it, even though I post and browse much less than I used to. I hope you found/find something worthwhile IRL. I will always carry a bit of leftypol inside of me.


 No.2889215

>>2889183

>As much as I'd like to see fellow oldfags in the moderation team, I'm not sure we need any right now. When the new BO comes to power, I'm sure we'll discuss whether or not we need new mods.

OK, I guess you'd make a public announcement if you ever decided to recruit new mods.

Keep in mind you have an oldfag, who has IRL organizing experience, ready to get on the job.

Good luck to the new B.O., whoever they are.


 No.2889217

File: 3d2a7407d2d73fa⋯.jpeg (10.62 KB, 195x258, 65:86, images (5).jpeg)

POSTING IN AN EPIC THREAD


 No.2889225

>>2889200

>so that the anarkiddies can come back from leftpol and we can stop having this community split.

I can't remember the specific passage that Badiou wrote in The Communist Hypothesis. Something about the black flag being the shadow of the red flag. Obviously Badiou was talking about something unrelated but it serves as a nice image.

No more splits you guys. We're better off when we stick together.


 No.2889242

>>2889183

>Never happened, at least not successfully. Nobody who was chosen as a mod in that period agreed with the ""imperialism"" bans and they refused to uphold the rule.

Not even Hoochie?


 No.2889253

File: f3f4908872daf8e⋯.mp4 (6.47 MB, 480x360, 4:3, Can It Be All So Simple.mp4)

File: 68fbcd546b8377e⋯.jpg (324.57 KB, 1128x4011, 376:1337, ancomball kills social dem….jpg)

>>2889225

>No more splits you guys. We're better off when we stick together.

Can't we just go back to bullying the rose?


 No.2889257

File: 5ea10ed81a11db2⋯.png (262.57 KB, 900x675, 4:3, 5ea10ed81a11db25de24f92cee….png)

Hey BO, News Anon 1.0 here.

I don't post that often here anymore, because I'm mostly involved in irl organising these days. I started posting here on /leftypol/ early 2016 I believe, which was an incredibly dark time in my life. I can't thank enough for the existence of /leftypol/. It's humour and joy got me through that episode, without which I would have certainly died. So, I wanted to thank you for everything. Don't let the Nazis here get to you.


 No.2889261

>>2888447

Show me a government within a capitalist economy that isn't corrupt

>>2888457

I'm merely confused. If I'm opposing the capitalist policies of a country that doesn't mean I'm supporting the violent overthrow of it by an invader correct? Meahwile you state that it's either support these governments or support their violent overthrow, but at the same time stating it's OK to oppose the government in some things. So why can't I oppose the governments policies and oppose the violent overthrow of it as well?


 No.2889265

>>2889257

Thanks for all the threads dude

Top lad


 No.2889267

>>2889261

You can, but that just makes you a liberal.


 No.2889274

>>2889257

Thank you for everything, based Original News Anon.


 No.2889325

File: bf7411d47cba7bf⋯.jpg (123.9 KB, 680x738, 340:369, bf7.jpg)


 No.2889400

the amount of sectarian trash in this thread

>muh anargiddies

it has nothing to do with that. The board owner was objectively bad at his job. The number of posts went down, the number of good posts overall went down, the number of memes we produced went down.

inb4

>nah it was quality control bro

i rarely if ever actually see marx discussed in detail here now.

>nah we make memes

what was the last meme we had here that was truly good bant? it was honestly a few years ago now. Its barely any memes any more at all tbh even stale ones.

what the autists missed is that Stirner memes were funny, it wasn't about being a supporter of his ideas, just there is a lot of humour to be had from pretending to be "the unique one" and that everything is your property.

Similarly, you don't have to be a hoxaist to think bunkers memes are funny, but you humorless trash will literally be like "NO THOSE ARE DUMB ANARKIDDY MEMES NOT FUNNY :🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧"

It is pathetic tbh.

All these above things are objectively true. It doesn't matter if you are an ML or whatever, the number of posts, the educational content of posts, and the humour of posts is worse.

In addition there is less of a community feel and less interesting people, no doubt because the communities were broken down by people leaving after getting banned, and interesting people who said weird shit probably also got banned.

This is what made the board what it was, BO, in this posts, admits to not reading originally and then doing some reading, which lets beyond was probably sparse AF. So after this minimal reading, he took it upon himself to enforce he retard ideology, which has basically nothing to do with ML, onto the rest of the board, who were much more educated MLs and Anarchists.

He couldn't handle being a brainlet and so killed the board. The board is objectively worse.

These are the facts.


 No.2889413

>>2889400

>pretending

Seems like a right winger kinda thing to do.

>All these above things are objectively true.

Sorry, I didn't know I was talking to God.

>interesting people who said weird shit

Are you talking about people like Rebel and Yui poster? The former turned into a nazi and the latter, if I remember correctly, became a liberal. Interesting people, indeed. Or are you talking about the Bookchin poster who had no substantial responses to the criticism regularly thrown at his stupid spammed ideology or the post-left anarchist who "won" arguments by declaring his opponent his property? Because all of the above had really spicy hot takes on actual communism and communists that somehow always reflected the hegemonic ideas about communism itself. Some of us spent hours debating these assholes and it didn't feel like "fun" from this side.


 No.2889419

now that the BO is gone can the nazbols come back ?


 No.2889424

File: 9df466344d6778b⋯.png (63.01 KB, 1125x681, 375:227, Tripfaggotry.png)

>>2889413

>Are you talking about people like Rebel and Yui poster?

Namefags, tripfags, and avatarfags have always been and shall always be the worst posters.


 No.2889425


 No.2889426

>>2889400

Let's summarize your arguments.

>everyone is a sectarian who views things differently

>I can determine what is subjective and what is objective

>I only speak the objectively true facts while the others lack this ability

>I am able to determine what is funny but others can't

>there's no Marx thread

>there's not enough memes

>people were more interesting before

>BO is a booklet and also incompetent and evil

You said you do organizing work? Must be a joy working with you.


 No.2889427

>>2889419

Fuck no. Even /leftpol/ kicked them out.


 No.2889431

>>2889426

>Let's strawman your arguments.

ftfy


 No.2889435

>>2889431

>>These are the facts.

>>The board is objectively worse.

>>All these above things are objectively true.

>>you humorless trash

>>sectarian trash

>>The board owner was objectively bad

But okay, I changed my name so at least this post can be funny.


 No.2889439

>>2887671

before some newfag redditor/twatterer T-34 comes with their historical revisionist answers:

/leftypol/ used to be a board where leftists from retarded individualist black flag anarchists to retarded centrist succdems could discuss current issues, theory, and banter. originally the majority of the userbase was anarchist, and at some point there were practically daily leftcom/ML theory debates, well, vitriolic shouting matches with references to marx and lenin. personally I learned a lot from those discussions this was the high point of the board imo.

BO was unhappy though, they felt that /leftypol/ should work as an ML recruitment platform rather than an open leftist discussion forum, and there was creeping enforcement of ideological purity along stalinist lines, through bans and word filters, the most notorious one being the R​ojava one. Eventually the banned/suppressed pro-rojava posters made their own board in /leftpol/. This only accelerated the deterioration of /leftypol/ and the purges became ever more aggressive. even making jokes about assad/the kims/robert fucking mugabe could net you the notorious 4week BO ban for "imperialism". personally I got 9 weeks. maybe I'm extra subversive? should write it in my CV if I ever lose my job at the Agency. There were multiple mod revolts at this point as well since just about nobody of the original mods wanted to enforce BO's random and arbitrary "imperialism" rule.

/leftypol/ deteriorated, /leftpol/ slowly bled users until the original BO apo left and gave BO to space_ without consulting /leftpol/ mods which understandably upset them

space_ barely modded the board and since the poster base was so small in the first place some retards spamming about anti-feminism and other irrelevant rubbish dominated the board. and that brings us to the present. maybe this will end the schism and /leftpol/ will die out, but the damage has been done: most of the old posters are gone.

>>>/1917/112

here is some stuff from the time of the original split


 No.2889444

Good riddance


 No.2889448

File: e8e2d2cc407fe64⋯.png (765.37 KB, 1860x909, 620:303, 1.png)

>>2889439

>here is some stuff from the time of the original split

<c) Board owner decides to turn /leftypol/ into a pro-Stalinist platform.

So this is how a "pro-Stalinist platform" looks like! It's either my eyes are deceiving me or you are delusional.


 No.2889453

>>2889413

>Seems like a right winger kinda thing to do.

how exactly am i pretending?

>Sorry, I didn't know I was talking to God.

there are less posters/posts, there are less good memes, and there are less bants.

this is why i asked the questions, when was our last good meme, you cant answer that, because it was a long time ago. You only have to look at board stats to know the other part is true, there are less posts and posters, this is uncontroversial.

The lack of bants is self evident, show me some examples of bants the majority of the community engages in which is specific to users of leftypol. You cannot.

>the bit about interesting people

no i mean you used to get back and fourth with people about their life experiences, people who actually had life experiences, there was more actually working class and lumpen here. Now it is blatantly just sheltered students and bummed out young profressionals (a minority) and school kids and neets.

>>2889426

>everyone is a sectarian

no i said some people are sectarian but fuck nuance right you just put words in my mouth

>I can determine what is subjective and what is objective

show me where i made this claim

>>I only speak the objectively true facts while the others lack this ability

nope just the points i made are objective facts, if they are not prove otherwise that the board now has more posters, more bants and a higher quality of educational post.

>>I am able to determine what is funny but others can't

i am litteraly going by stats, what was our last good meme.

>there's no Marx thread

there isnt, if there is its way down and slow

>>there's not enough memes

show me the memes

>people were more interesting before

tell me of the last interesting personal exchange you had here.

>bo is a booklet

BO has admitted to being a booklet you anus.

I do do organising work. I do engage in petty sectarianism, humorlessness, and general fuckery such as this. I would not silence half of my union in order to project my own autism


 No.2889454

File: bbc522928899158⋯.png (28.42 KB, 1495x205, 299:41, leftypol BO plan.png)

File: 2919f3ad98f24c9⋯.jpg (270.74 KB, 1878x683, 1878:683, leftypol BO plan2.jpg)

>>2889448

what the BO decides to attempt doesn't 100% happen or succeed, he is not god


 No.2889455

>>2889439

the most enfuriating part of that the majority of ML parties are pro kurd.

The most diehard stalinists i know have been and volunteered in one big US military base in Syria.

its only an internet crank position


 No.2889456

File: 0076724cf8ad6f0⋯.png (188.39 KB, 1821x411, 607:137, 2.png)

File: 1d907a9a491a904⋯.png (376.42 KB, 1753x699, 1753:699, 1.png)

>>2889439

Imagine being so buttblasted that you create your own political board where you'd rather advertise leftpol, libertarians, and monarchist just to avoid mentioning leftypol.

>>2889453

>what the autists missed is that Stirner memes were funny, it wasn't about being a supporter of his ideas, just there is a lot of humour to be had from pretending to be "the unique one" and that everything is your property.


 No.2889457

>>2889448

ITS NOT EVEN STALINISM. STALINISM IS GOOD. STALINISM IS PRO KURDISTAN ITS JUST BO'S SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE AUTISM


 No.2889459

>>2889456

>Imagine being so buttblasted that you create your own political board where you'd rather advertise leftpol, libertarians, and monarchist just to avoid mentioning leftypol.

its prob cos none of the boards advertised there are triggerhappy with bans like /pol/ or nu/leftypol/

what relevance that board has to the current discussion is unclear to me


 No.2889462

>>2889459

Ah, so pro-monarchy boards are okay if their mod team is laid back. Even worthy of advertising them on your leftist political board. Okay, just checking. Fuck BO, that stupid tranny nigger, amirite fellow comrade?


 No.2889469

File: 710fd7879852c89⋯.jpg (35.44 KB, 645x671, 645:671, 1557422264334.jpg)

>>2889462

They only want to bring back monarchies and enslave us all as their subjects but they are cool as long as they respect my freedom of speech on their forums, unlike evil communists like BO who ban people.


 No.2889470

>>2889462

was /8pol/ ever even supposed to be leftist? I thought it was supposed to be a general politics board without ideological bans

again I fail to see how this is relevant to anything


 No.2889471

>>2889470

>was /8pol/ ever even supposed to be leftist?

it was created by the BO of >>>/1917/ and i just pic'd (you) a hammer and sickle qt314 so take a wild guess


 No.2889473

>>2889471

uh

that's a classic nazbol girl pic

and /1917/ was defo created as a general politics board, from >>>/1917/1 :

>Other than that, this board is going to allow open political discussion. This place is intended to be the opposite of a torture chamber.


 No.2889478

File: cd8d156fc3fd9d4⋯.jpg (10.66 KB, 300x299, 300:299, questions.jpg)

File: e1b4456327e328d⋯.png (184.09 KB, 1585x315, 317:63, 1.png)

>>2889470

>I fail to see how this is relevant to anything

Just a second ago we were mentioning all those cool and interesting people that left us due to "objectively" evil BO. Might it be that they are not as cool and interesting? Might it be that their hysterics against BO slightly warped their fucking minds? Might it be that this place isn't a "pro-Stalinist" torture chamber, le radlib twitter, le reddit hivemind as some of these vocal crusaders try to paint it ITT? Is it a mere coincidence that the "le tranny BO" sucky-sucky conspiracy goes so well with leftpol and pol? Or is it possible that for some being an imageboard autist is more important than being a principled communist? Could it be that the split started over liberal memes (muh free speech) and narratives of imperialism (muh dirty syrian barrel bombs vs. humane US rockets) and didn't happen based on communist principles, and those that have left continue to have these mind parasites torture them?


 No.2889481

>>2889478

>M-m-m-maybe BO's critics were wrong.

>Board immediately shoots up in rankings after BO announces departure.

Lol, if you were serious about building a party, you wouldn't do it on a chan completely controlled and owned by Nazis and their sympathizers.

>Is it a mere coincidence that the "le tranny BO" sucky-sucky conspiracy goes so well with leftpol and pol?

This is complete and utter butt hurt bullshit. I spend several days a week on /leftpol/ and the trannypol meme along with that clip rarely comes up and it's always by a Nazi from /pol/.


 No.2889483

>>2889481

>Board immediately shoots up in rankings after BO announces departure.

You wanted to say

>Board gains posters as all other boards start raiding us again

right?

>>2887459

>I spend several days a week on /leftpol/

Of this I had no doubts.


 No.2889484

>>2889478

>Might it be that they are not as cool and interesting?

maybe, but the huge drop in IPs seems to paint a contrary picture. I still have no clue what relevance /8pol/ has with your cool and interesting people.

>Might it be that this place isn't a "pro-Stalinist" torture chamber, le radlib twitter, le reddit hivemind as some of these vocal crusaders try to paint it ITT?

that only stands as testament to the failure of BO's agenda

>Or is it possible that for some being an imageboard autist is more important than being a principled communist?

no doubt, but an anonymous imageboard isn't really the place to enforce a strict ideological line.

>Could it be that the split started over liberal memes (muh free speech) and narratives of imperialism

or maybe, just maybe

people wanted to discuss things such as geopolitics without having to walk on eggshells over what was deemed acceptable rhethoric by dear leader BO?


 No.2889486

>>2888505

I'm the old BO.

>→ what did BO see as the main challenges of the board over time?;

Spammers, rogue volunteers, trying to enforce new rules. The board settings options got better over time, mitigating spammers.

>→ why did he start "iron fisting" after an Backstabbin' Bernie primary?;

Aside from reading Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and others, I also got more into ☭TANKIE☭ twitter at the time. I had always been kind of aware of ☭TANKIE☭ twitter, but not knowing any theory or enough history made me uncertain about what they were saying. After /leftypol/ pushed me into serious Marxism, I had no reservations about all the praise of Stalin or whatever. I honestly think that the non-idpol, non-PSL ☭TANKIE☭s on twitter are an excellent place to get news and analysis. Some of them are really old and have studied this shit for ages. Yes, I like RedKahina's tweets. She's not right about everything and a bit dramatic, but she is redpilled as fuck. The news reports and analysis from these people convinced me that there is a serious problem with people promoting imperialist propaganda, and that it really is harmful.

>→ how does he feel about the future of /leftypol/ ?;

I think it will probably be OK. The new BO has been a volunteer for years and is very active, and while they'll probably make a few changes, I think they'll be pretty consistent with the current setup.

>→ what does he REALLY think about "le split"?

A large part of the worst posters self-purged after I irritated them a lot. The entire time, I never actually banned Roj*va discussion, even though I probably should have. I did ban a load of people for posting plain false imperialist propaganda (muh barrel bombs, muh gorillion, maduro corrupt/retarded, Iran color revolution attempt, etc etc). And for actually supporting the literal presence of US military bases in Syria (a large part of Roj*va supporters really do unironically support this). But I think wordfilters actually played the biggest part in the splitting. Banning people was not the best solution. The best would have been to put together a bunch of resources refuting everything. It's a big problem that for the most part, no such compiled resources actually exist on any part of the commie internet. I thank the DPRK thread anons for putting stuff together about the DPRK, it was useful to tell people to just read the archives. But making that kind of stuff was outside of my capabilities at the time. Maybe when I'm not BO I can work towards that.

>→ Will (former) BO continue on as a "regular" VOL?

I'm a Vol right now, but I might ask to have the account deleted later.

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 No.2889487

>>2889484

>testament to the failure of BO's agenda

Yeah, so let's get this straight. Leftypol is a stalinist hellhole, an oppressive ML party created by the BO, except when it's pointed out that's literally not the case, then it's a testament to BO being a weak failure. To quote a classic: you people have like worms in your brain.


 No.2889496

>>2889487

I haven't a clue what debate you're having in your head

>Leftypol is a stalinist hellhole, an oppressive ML party created by the BO

this is what the BO attempted to do, it failed, a great many oldfags left and the board dwindled to irrelevance

and I suppose the BO lost interest at that point, maybe at one of the later vol rebellions, maybe the mass unbanning and thread deletion episode

so now the moderation has been toned down at least somewhat, I haven't been a board regular for a long time now so I couldn't really tell

>it's a testament to BO being a weak failure

it's not so much about the BO as a person, but their inability to understand what anonymous imageboards are and what they are useful for - or indeed why /leftypol/ was popular and what made it good

anonymous imageboards don't lend themselves to a tightly curated, heavy-handedly ideologically pruned discussion, both in terms of users and the underlying logic. a more typical non-anonymous forum like reddit or RevLeft makes more sense for such things.

I'm honestly surprised you've made this many posts without banning me already


 No.2889497

>>2889483

>>Board gains posters as all other boards start raiding us again

>right?

>The growth of leftypol are just raids.

Sorry, but your coddled ML echo chamber isn't that good. How many raids are going on right now? Like maybe one with the "Race Realism" thread.

/leftypol/ how gets into the top 3. That ain't because of raids.


 No.2889498

>>2889496

>I haven't a clue what debate you're having in your head

He's doing that lame /pol/ trick where you accuse someone of implying something you absolutely did not imply.

>>Leftypol is a stalinist hellhole, an oppressive ML party created by the BO

>this is what the BO attempted to do, it failed, a great many oldfags left and the board dwindled to irrelevance and I suppose the BO lost interest at that point, maybe at one of the later vol rebellions, maybe the mass unbanning and thread deletion episode

>

>so now the moderation has been toned down at least somewhat, I haven't been a board regular for a long time now so I couldn't really tell

You pretty much got it right.

>it's not so much about the BO as a person, but their inability to understand what anonymous imageboards are and what they are useful for -

This, there's always been this myopic goal of making /leftypol/ some kind of pillar a IRL vanguard party could be built around, even though it could be completely shut down by Nazis and their collaborators at anytime since YOU DON'T OWN THE MEANS OF SHITPOSTING.


 No.2889501

>>2889497

Not him, but wouldn't the news of BO leaving bring a lot of people from /leftpol/ over here to shitpost?


 No.2889503

>>2889483

>Board gains posters as all other boards start raiding us again

You honestly cannot tell the difference between a raid and people saying that the BO grossly mismanaged the board?


 No.2889504

>>2889486

>I think wordfilters actually played the biggest part in the splitting

It amazed me how crazy they went over that. Like, holy shit, put a dot in ro.java and move on.

The first criticism I read on r.ojava was actually from an anarchist/leftcom (Dauvé - one big US military base in Syria: reality and rhetoric) and it fascinated me how easily self-proclaimed ultras and anarchists here shrugged that really well written piece off as rubbish. They want to see the libertarian heaven on Earth and they will see it whether it's really there or not and will hate you for attempting to break their delusions and a filter is like rubbing it in repeatedly. I don't really have any other explanation for their totally overblown reaction.

>>2889496

>I'm honestly surprised you've made this many posts without banning me already

Shut the fuck up already, you eternal victim.


 No.2889505

>>2889501

1. /leftpol/ does not have a lot of people

2. Where is this shitposting?


 No.2889508

>>2889505

>>2888257

>>2888229

There was also an increase in right winger newfigs starting threads recently. The latest is this "I'm an ex-leftist cuz I voted for Obama, so let me tell you what you guys need to change" guy.


 No.2889509

>>2889501

>shitposts = stuff I don't like.


 No.2889512

>>2889509

In my book the "what? you oppose ethnic cleansing? you must be a moral fag, lol" and the "TANKIES OUT" kind of zero-effort posts are shitposts.


 No.2889513


 No.2889518

>>2889512

Nigga, this board got a reputation for being a ML echo chamber because it was censoring other leftists, particularly supporters of Ro cha-cha-cha java.


 No.2889523

>>2889453

>BO has admitted to being a booklet you anus.

No, I object to that. I really have done a lot of reading. I didn't just read a couple short books for clout and call it quits like e-celebs do. Aside from books, I've also read a lot of the important pamphlets, contemporary papers and essays, and probably way too much news.

>>2889496

>>2889487

I never tried to make /leftypol/ Stalinist or ML-only. Posters of all the various ideologies here make good posts. I did make it to hostile to some kinds of bad takes. There are plenty of self-proclaimed MLs who are guilty of those.

>it's not so much about the BO as a person, but their inability to understand what anonymous imageboards are and what they are useful for

My understanding is that imageboards are useful for absolutely melting people's brains and making them say stupid shit. My evidence for this understanding is the vast majority of people who post on 8chan and 4chan, who are completely mindfucked and say stupid shit constantly. Imageboards promote forgetfulness, compulsion, shitposting, and all kinds of counterproductive behavior. I say this as a long-time and current user. This is why I think imageboards, at least in the current format, are inherently hostile to serious leftism. So yes, I was going against what imageboards are.

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 No.2889525

>>2889518

>>2889504

I don't think that a filter amounts to censorship on an imageboard. It's banter. Filter Lenin to "bald soviet authoritarian" and I'll have a laugh. (Though it would be highly counter-productive, considering his theoretical input.) Shit, if the bourgeoisie only had such filters against us as a tool of "censorship", we'd be already in world c.ommunism.


 No.2889527

>>2889523

Stop being so agreeable and logical and start being the evil tranny Body Odor I like to hate and scream "OPRESSION" at, please.


 No.2889529

>>2889525

>He thinks it was just word filters.

Nigga I got permabanned for calling Zizek a Hegelian Idealist.


 No.2889533

>>2889529

Post proof.


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 No.2889539

>>2889523

>Aside from books, I've also read a lot of the important pamphlets, contemporary papers and essays, and probably way too much news.

Does new BO read?


 No.2889540

File: af48d8b2f012b9e⋯.gif (1.07 MB, 378x480, 63:80, trick or treat zizek.gif)

>>2889529

>Nigga I got permabanned for calling Zizek a Hegelian Idealist.


 No.2889543

>>2889523

>I never tried to make /leftypol/ Stalinist or ML-only.

enforcing ideological red lines aligned with a certain type of stalinist understanding of anti-imperialism is the same thing, or at least limits other ideologies from discussing subjects like geopolitics. what you're saying is the equivalent of claiming to not ban for anarchist ideology, only for critiques of statism or something.

>I did make it to hostile to some kinds of bad takes

you didn't make it hostile to takes, you straight up banned arguments made in good faith (even from leftist perspectives) and even deemed certain subjects to be off-limits for jokes. as an illustrative example of the difference, /leftypol/ used to be hostile to /pol/yp threads with arguments and sage.

>My understanding is that imageboards are useful for absolutely melting people's brains and making them say stupid shit. My evidence for this understanding is the vast majority of people who post on 8chan and 4chan, who are completely mindfucked and say stupid shit constantly. Imageboards promote forgetfulness, compulsion, shitposting, and all kinds of counterproductive behavior. I say this as a long-time and current user. This is why I think imageboards, at least in the current format, are inherently hostile to serious leftism. So yes, I was going against what imageboards are.

fair enough, but why not just give up the board ownership instead of sinking it? why try to do force "serious leftism" on an imageboard then? it's like forcing farmers into agrarian communes, idealistically expecting communism to happen. even the results were similar first as a tragedy then as a farce


 No.2889546

>>2889539

I think so.

>>2889529

Pretty sure you got unbanned immediately. I would have unbanned you myself. There was never a rule against criticizing the cocaine clown man.

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 No.2889548

>>2889546

>>Does new BO read?

>I think so.

I really hope you didn't done goofed it by appointing an "I have ADHD and that makes me unable to read" type of vol, man.


 No.2889552

File: e9225eed784305e⋯.jpg (9.84 KB, 521x521, 1:1, ribbon of online rape.jpg)

>>2889529

I got permabanned for saying "capitalism is bad." I couldn't believe my eyes. I had to refresh the ban page several times, because I couldn't believe the reason for the ban that BO personally written was: "not in my board, faggot. We love state capitalism here." When I submitted the appeal still rather upsetly, the BO suddenly jumped in through my window and raped me.

He did this to me twice already. Of course I had to leave leftypol and go to >>>/leftpol/ since he left me no choice. There I learned that many others had similar experiences with this evil, evil man.

I can only hope that he didn't sodomize the new BO he appointed, twisting him to fit his evil plans.


 No.2889560

>>2889543

>enforcing ideological red lines aligned with a certain type of stalinist understanding of anti-imperialism is the same thing, or at least limits other ideologies from discussing subjects like geopolitics.

I think this is really unfair to anarchism tbh. I have seen a fair amount of anarchists who have the same understanding of international politics as Marxist-Leninists. It's not even a communist/anarchist thing. Resistance movements like Hezbollah have excellent analysis and stances on geopolitics that really surpass the majority of western leftist analysis. People can call themselves whatever they want and still have the wrong stances and practice.

>you straight up banned arguments made in good faith (even from leftist perspectives) and even deemed certain subjects to be off-limits for jokes

I know there really are a lot of people who believe (in good faith!) in their "Neither Washington nor Moscow/Damascus/Caracas/Pyongyang/etc" stances that they got from Democracy Now or wherever. If it had been feasible to just educate them all, I would have. It's an indictment of the present state of western communism that we didn't have the resources to just show them all the evidence. In any case, I used the mod tools instead, because I don't want that stuff spreading in the middle of a coup attempt.

>fair enough, but why not just give up the board ownership instead of sinking it? why try to do force "serious leftism" on an imageboard then? it's like forcing farmers into agrarian communes, idealistically expecting communism to happen.

I wanted to see if it was possible to make it better, or if people would all just migrate (equivalent to giving board ownership up anyway). IMO /leftypol/ really did improve. Not in terms of epic memes (again, there was only so much material to make fresh OC from anyway. And look at all the other boards. Where's the OC? Expecting the same level of OC forever isn't realistic), but effortposters, accurate news, and educational content.

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 No.2889588

>>2889560

>I have seen a fair amount of anarchists who have the same understanding of international politics as Marxist-Leninists.

Surprising; anarchists generally aren't so fond of lesser-evilism or the logic of an-enemy-of-an-enemy

>People can call themselves whatever they want and still have the wrong stances and practice.

indeed, but ideologies are less about identification and more about worldviews: an anarchist understanding of the world lends itself poorly to supporting reactionary regimes for their anti-hegemonic orientation, for example

>If it had been feasible to just educate them all, I would have. It's an indictment of the present state of western communism that we didn't have the resources to just show them all the evidence.

there's that ML positivism again.

>if people would all just migrate (equivalent to giving board ownership up anyway)

most quality posters just left, since /leftpol/ never took off and /leftypol/ changed into something… else.

>again, there was only so much material to make fresh OC from anyway

? history is in motion

>effortposters, accurate news, and educational content.

most didn't migrate to other boards but left 8ch altogether. maybe that itself is a kind of victory to you, but I believe this board would have served in its small part the aims of reinvigorating the left in the West through education, honing of arguments through vigorous debate and enabling creativity.


 No.2889591

>>2889588

>ML positivism

You are using words you don't understand the meaning of.


 No.2889594

>>2889560

>If it had been feasible to just educate them all, I would have.

You could have tried addressing the points that they would make like that there is nothing particularly American or European about the current global capitalism or that imperialism does not function like it did a hundred years ago or that states no longer serve as distinct economic entities or that reactionary states like Iran do exactly jack shit to counter "imperialism," because they facilitate commodity production that feeds the global capitalist system in exactly the same way that burger sattelite states do.


 No.2889598

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File: ee76d510cb0e68e⋯.jpg (83.51 KB, 800x1000, 4:5, 1.jpg)

>>2889594

>there is nothing particularly American or European about the current global capitalism

Fuck you.


 No.2889600

>>2889591

suggesting that people having different ideological perspectives is a question of education and evidence is quite the positivist take


 No.2889606

>>2889600

By your terms the ancient Greeks were already positivists.

>>2889594

>if you have commodity production you are already imperialist, lol

Hot take.


 No.2889608

>>2889598

>America made my TV bad!

Capitalism creates a culture that is vapid and commodified, because that is what happens when the motivation behind creating art is profit. The fact that capitalism is now global is why media everywhere is offering up brainless bullshit for consumption. You ascribing the effects of commodification to a big bad identity is as mindless as the pop culture that you hate.


 No.2889622

>>2889608

>>>America made my TV bad!

America literally made my TV, books, and radio bad, you cynical cocksucker. We actually produced movies with artistic value, written books about the struggles of workers, and had very popular radio plays under socialism. Now everybody copies American formulas in art, content in news. Kids growing up today in my country experience the world through retarded American youtubers, infecting their thoughts and eroding our very own native language.

>The fact that capitalism is now global is why media everywhere is offering up brainless bullshit for consumption.

The fact that you deny that there is an Empire guarding and benefiting from this global order makes you either willfully ignorant or just an edgy contrarian.


 No.2889629

>>2889523

pol's takes are in: >>>/pol/13266855


 No.2889638

>>2889606

anachronistic, but not wrong per se. frankly I'm not familiar enough with the greeks to comment authoritatively. maybe I'm using the word positivist a bit too loosely: as a generalised qualifier like in "historical positivism" for example, rather than to mean the strict philosophical position


 No.2889649

>>2889622

>turn on radio

>8 out 10 songs are made in America

>the remaining two are the same format just sang in native language

>turn on tv

>8 out of 10 movies are made in America

>the remaining two are native takes on the same format

>change to documentary channel

>8 out of 10 documentaries are equating nazis with commies or praise American historical achievements

>the rest is about those interesting primitives in jungles

>buy prize winning book

>copy of Harry Potter or some other inane shit

>browse local news sites

>8 out of 10 articles are word-for-word and hasty translations of CNN, Msnbc or Fox articles

>try to vote

>can chose from liberal candidates that are trained in neo-liberal US funded university or conservatives that are becoming american-type alt-righters

>both wanted to send our troops to help out the US in Iraq

it's just commodity production, bro


 No.2889665

>>2889622

>Now everybody copies American formulas in art, content in news.

So it is not Americans but rather the media from your own home country that is creating only vapid shit. Why do you think that is? Do you think that Americans ordered them to do so or that they were so entranced by American media that they were overcome with the desire to make more of it? Hint: they did so because it is the most profitable business model.

>Kids growing up today in my country experience the world through retarded American youtubers, infecting their thoughts and eroding our very own native language.

Oh noes! Not our precious national heritage! By the way, I love that you are bitching about this in English. Thanks for demonstrating how nationalist idpol is fucking retarded regardless of which nation it hails from.


 No.2889685

>>2889665

>Do you think that Americans ordered them to do so or that they were so entranced by American media that they were overcome with the desire to make more of it?

Both of these are unironically true in many cases.

>Hint: they did so because it is the most profitable business model.

Talking about "profitable business models" in art is pretty ridiculous. Any movie or album or whatever is a complete crapshoot. As well, there are examples of pop culture that don't imitate the USA/Hollywood. For example, Japanese film and anime are wildly different from Hollywood/CalArts. Anime is shitty and commodified in its own way, but you can't say it's following USA entertainment formulae.

>By the way, I love that you are bitching about this in English

Are you from reddit or something? Fuck off


 No.2889692

>>2889685

>Both of these are unironically true in many cases.

Okay, you are just delusional. How did you manage to find your way here instead of /pol/?

>Talking about "profitable business models" in art is pretty ridiculous.

Are you fucking kidding? Art has been a prime commodity for centuries.

>Are you from reddit or something? Fuck off

No, you don't get to bitch about the kids these days having their brians rotted by American online media and losing their pure language while at the very same time engaging in the exact same activity that you accuse them of, you self-awareness-lacking hypocrite.


 No.2889703

>>2889665

>I love that you are bitching about this in English

Is this the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧anglo🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 version of the iPod argument?


 No.2889708

>>2889267

>>2889267

>Opposing pro-capitalist policies is liberalism

Hot take


 No.2889726

>>2889708

Yes, Patrick, wanting to keep liberal institutions in place while counting on them to create the changes that you want is liberalism.


 No.2889727

>>2889703

He is literally bitching about kids going on American internet sites and speaking English in English on a website run by Americans.

>Kids growing up today in my country experience the world through retarded American youtubers, infecting their thoughts and eroding our very own native language.


 No.2889732

>>2889727

kill yourself


 No.2889734

>>2889085

>when he started stacking the vol team with sycophants and genuine loons

this is very similar to how when Bolsheviks took power in 1917, the west started pushing the narrative that Lenin was filling the ranks of his office with criminals and people from insane asylums. raises even more flags when that other anon was pulling a john bolton about "muh rigging".

>>2886760

>>2889134

>whole post history is just you sperging out about ismail on numerous threads

imagine being this mad about someone who reads books.


 No.2889746

>>2889732

You first, nationalist trash.


 No.2889753

File: 9ba2638e32afc11⋯.png (41.53 KB, 499x338, 499:338, 1524459523184.png)

>>2889523

>So yes, I was going against what imageboards are.

Suddenly everything makes sense.


 No.2889756

>>2889746

>wanting a wide variety of cultures to thrive and develop themselves free from the interference of a hegemonic power on Earth instead of homogenizing them into a big global Disneyland is nationalism

You are part of the reason the right wing is gaining popularity, you know that?

>>2889753

Turns out BO was a communist all along!


 No.2889757

>>2889756

There's nothing saying that you can't be both a communist and an idiot.


 No.2889758

File: b5d345aa212ec7b⋯.png (239.31 KB, 477x343, 477:343, u.png)


 No.2889795

>>2887227

>be prepared for SCARY DIFFERENT OPINIONS!!!11!one!


 No.2889810

File: 17d6c90acb8ea32⋯.jpg (63.16 KB, 800x869, 800:869, Glorious_Dear_Leader_Shirt….jpg)

If believing in stupid shit is worthy of a ban then 100% of this board, vols and BO included, should be permanently banned. Every single motherfucker on this planet thinks, will think, and has thought stupid illogical nonsense. The point is to change it and although I'm not convinced that challenging their thinking will, banning them certainly won't.

>>2887249

>encouraging communist takes and discouraging capitalist takes

Are you implying that "leftcom and anarchist" (>>2887227) takes are equivalent to "capitalist takes"?

>Sounds to me you just don't want to have communist places on the internet.

This is SJW logic in a nutshell: X are so weak, impotent, helpless and oppressed that we have no choice but to give them a safe space where all of their beliefs, pathological or not, can be constantly validated. In this instance, replace X with "communists" instead of "women" or "POC".

I guess what I'm trying to say here is SHUT THE FUCK UP LIBERAL.


 No.2889813

>>2887310

>MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN

unironically this


 No.2889820

>>2889756

Dumb fucks like you who buy into the narrative that your identity is being kept down by some big bad other identity (and never mind any realistic material explainations) are why the right wing has any popularity at all.


 No.2889821

>>2889795

More like

>be prepared for mainstream, boring, anti-communist two liner hot takes

>>2889810

Do you think that liberals are oppressed? Do you think communists are oppressed?


 No.2889822

>>2889821

ignore shitposting flag

>>2889820

refute anything from 2nd pic:

>>2889478


 No.2889845

>>2889821

>I am unable to refute "muh 100 gorillion" so I must ban it.


 No.2889848

>>2889821

>Do you think communists are oppressed?

Congratulations for completely misunderstanding my point. Moron.


 No.2889854

File: 28776e586811329⋯.jpg (298 KB, 960x640, 3:2, Maine.jpg)

>>2889822

>refute anything from 2nd pic

There is not much to refute beyond the silly notion that public opinion partially determines who the USAF will and will not drop bombs on. When it comes to war, consent is manufactured.


 No.2889865

>>2888248

>Communism IS a stateless classless society based on a socialist gift-economy.

Communism is being a Hobbit?


 No.2889870

>>2889854

>When it comes to war, consent is manufactured.

The point in the pic is to stop allowing it to be manufactured you Chomskyan dunce.


 No.2889879

>>2889486

>The best would have been to put together a bunch of resources refuting everything. It's a big problem that for the most part, no such compiled resources actually exist on any part of the commie internet.

Was it Donald Rumsfeld who said in regards to Iraq, "Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence."?


 No.2889917

The BO did fuck up with the censorship, Imagine the amount of salt that would've happened if we got to see anarchist tears over getting their shitty colony exposed for the CIA nest that it is.


 No.2889932

Thanks for banning everyone BO, we never would have achieved the full communism we now live in without your valiant effort.


 No.2889934

>>2889756

>wanting a wide variety of cultures to thrive and develop themselves free from the interference of a hegemonic power on Earth instead of homogenizing them into a big global Disneyland is nationalism

Ever considered that a lot of cultures still exist around the world and the only reason your shitty culture is turning into wannabe America-lite is because you all wanna be Americans by your own free decisision and nobody is forcing you to learn english and hang out on American websites?

Go crawl back to the euroweb and never darken our DNS servers again faggot.


 No.2889939

>>2889934

yeah no, culture is not just limited to entertainment and fashion, culture influences social relations and material production… so no, you can't be cultivating and exporting your shitty culture all over the globe, sorry


 No.2889941

>>2889939

>so no, you can't be cultivating and exporting your shitty culture all over the globe, sorry

Yes I can.

Real talk: how are these disparate statements supposed to be a rebuttal?


 No.2889955

>>2889941

Excuse me, what I meant to say is that responsible socialists should care about the worldwide proletariat and not just the proles in their nation. If we see another Hitler rise to power, we will not wait until he invades Poland to put a stop to him.


 No.2889957

>>2889955

>muh hitler.

Every country in Europe had that shit coming. Those are just the laws of karma my doot.


 No.2889962

>>2889957

Shit take. You really think any of those corporate executives died on the front lines?


 No.2889966

>>2889962

All the shit you euros are boohooing about le buil Hitler doing to your countries you all collectively had been doing to the rest of the world for hundreds of years. If there was no Hitler maybe there would still be limey and frog empires to this day.


 No.2889974

>>2889966

>MTWs are pro-Hitler

On the chance that you aren't trolling, what is your point exactly? Large scale wars that kill 50 million proles are good? I don't think the 16 year old Polish kid that got drafted in the war was exploiting your labor.


 No.2889980

>>2889974

I'm not pro Hitler I'm anti-euro. Killing euros is good even if it's done by a euro.


 No.2889986

>>2889980

Where are you from and why are you racist against Europeans? Was it the British aristocracy that expropriated your land or Vlad the potato farmer in northern Romania?


 No.2889990

File: 35f64b05e7fac09⋯.png (7.33 KB, 225x225, 1:1, images.png)

>>2889986

>Was it the British aristocracy that expropriated your land or Vlad the potato farmer in northern Romania?

And who supported that aristocracy and still supports them to this day? Hitler is long dead but your queen is alive and exploiting. Instead of trying to stop the next Hitler why not get rid of the one who still rules you?


 No.2890000

>>2889870

The point that the pic makes is idealist retardation.


 No.2890004

>>2889456

oh yeh, cos only the right wing assume characters for humour. Jesus christ. This is really what you meant?

guess i was correct in calling you an autist

>>2889478

its not pro stalinist, stalinists are pro kurd.

>Might it be that their hysterics against BO slightly warped their fucking minds?

the board is worse now, the numbers confirm this, nobody has been able to answer my questions, which further confirms this.

>Or is it possible that for some being an imageboard autist is more important than being a principled communist?

yes the BO is an image board autist and not a principled communist

>Could it be that the split started over liberal memes (muh free speech) and narratives of imperialism

the split started over one big US military base in Syria. Go outside into the real world, the vast majority of MLs support one big US military base in Syria.

Its got nothing to do with liberal memes, the board is worse now, in numbers, and that is why the BO is bad, regardless of positions.

>>2889486

>im not a booklet i learned on twitter

jesus fucking christ

>>2889487

its not a Stalinist hellhole, but it is a board in decline, due to BO decisions to ban one big US military base in Syria talk, which most Stalinists support.

>>2889497

hug box mentality is so fucking childish and retarded. People raid us, then they join us. That was the old model. I've also noticed the quality of responses to raids goes up, its almost as if we get into practice or something.

>>2889523

you've literally just said you learned from twitter and before that were formerly a booklet, you stating this shit doesn't mean anything really, your takes are awful and your board is in decline.

>>2889917

>, Imagine the amount of salt that would've happened if we got to see anarchist tears over getting their shitty colony exposed for the CIA nest that it is.

this post encapsulates all the retardation we now face

1) blind ingorance, the Kurds are not anarchist and never will be

2) "tears" i.e. lol we owned the libs, we burned our own ship underneath our feet but lol owned the libs lol.

clueless internet autism from retards who aren't actually invested in a working class movement, just that their shit online takes are validated.


 No.2890005

and yes:

MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD

MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD

MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD

MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD

MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD

MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD

MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD

MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD

MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD

MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD


 No.2890012

>>2887268

this tbh, farewell bo, thanks for the board


 No.2890016

>>2890004

>blind ingorance, the Kurds are not anarchist and never will be

Couldn't the same be said about Catalonia? I'm asking you because I don't know much about it.


 No.2890017

>>2887477

wordfilters are great against polyps, just remove the leftists ones


 No.2890018

>>2889990

>And who supported that aristocracy and still supports them to this day

The right wing.


 No.2890025

>>2890016

Sure, you could, only Catalonia had a much more prevalent anarchist presence.

End of the day, they still had top down military and secret police etc.

This is why the beef between anarchists and ☭TANKIE☭s is so ridiculous. When you have a revolution, it always ends up looking roughly the same, their are varying degrees of democracy, usually severity of conditions depending, but in all these cases the position of the working class has been greatly elevated.

this is what i said about one big US military base in Syria in the other thread, which is a mixture of things i've read plus first hand accounts i've heard from volunteers:

" what they describe is essentially soviet democracy with a few differences, the two houses of the state for example, the division of powers, the emphasis on self organised militias rather than a central army, the emphasis on cultural cohesion, the cultural revolutionary aspects such as with regards to feminism, which was obviously done in the soviet union but the emphasis i feel here is larger, due to ingrained reactionary culture.

What you've got to remember is this is all happening in a place of great upheaval. Where they describe these systems, the exist only in part and not homogenously, while the traces of the old system still cling on and are amongst the new revolutionary systems. The project is really in its infancy. It de facto operates as a mild social democracy, with key resources nationalised "socialised", with price controls and such, with an extremely strong union and council presence and lesser but still burgeoning co-operative presence, so strong that they are defacto in charge, but also they created the state and it is under their control. Meanwhile, they have just finished fighting a war with ISIS and must defend themselves from Turks etc. The area was deliberately made to be not self sufficient by Assad, so they have a lot of work to do diversifying their economy, there is little technology and although they have oil they have no way to process most it.

So, certain forms of organising are express and pushed, but in reality there is a whole variety of forms and economically models happening simultaenesouly, with the socialist ones become more and more prevalent"

all you need to understand about "muh imperialists balkanising syria" is that Assad still pays their healthcare bills.

If they are israeli agents designed to destroy him, why on earth would he do this?

Online cranks think they are more Syrian than the Syrians


 No.2890042

>>2889560

>Not in terms of epic memes (again, there was only so much material to make fresh OC from anyway

if anything in recent times the material to work with has got more abundant and in case you hadn't noticed in this day and age epic memes are extremely valuable

>but effortposters, accurate news, and educational content.

are less commmon now


 No.2890043

>>2889560

>IMO /leftypol/ really did improve.

literally: "after i banned and drove away everyone i disagreed with , i liked it better.


 No.2890044

>>2887668

>think communism is about socdem style redistribution

fucking retarded polyps

communism is about the organisation of labor and production in human society, and place a big emphasis on true democracy rather than bourgeois mock democracy and retarded market invisible hand to allocate the product of that labor

incentives in capitalism are about who can game the system at it's profit to the expense of society at large, its a moronic system although its good at industrialisation

also in your previous post you showed a profund misunderstanding of private property, which is about factory, corporation or farm ownership, not your house ownership


 No.2890060

>>2887981

>Ismail

>eceleb

fuck off retard, Ismail is not an eceleb, he is only known here for his good work administrating marx, scanning books and quality posts.


 No.2890063

>>2888221

i mean if that meme was as popular as you say, it clearly shows what you think can be called "quality discourse that have been killed by stalin bo". it srsly look like an edgy red lib take

nothing of value was lost it seems


 No.2890068

>>2889121

hope the new bo will also ban those retards


 No.2890074

File: 2000d013ded7e4f⋯.png (236.96 KB, 451x603, 451:603, leftpol.png)

>>2889523

>My understanding is that imageboards are useful for absolutely melting people's brains and making them say stupid shit. My evidence for this understanding is the vast majority of people who post on 8chan and 4chan, who are completely mindfucked and say stupid shit constantly. Imageboards promote forgetfulness, compulsion, shitposting, and all kinds of counterproductive behavior. I say this as a long-time and current user. This is why I think imageboards, at least in the current format, are inherently hostile to serious leftism. So yes, I was going against what imageboards are.

>>2890068

>>2890043

>>2890042

>>2890025

>>2890005

>>2890004

>>2889980

>>2889966

>>2889934

>>2889932

>>2889854

>>2889845

>>2889810

>>2889795


 No.2890133

Is it time to wipe the old ban list in order to heal schisms and welcome back anons from /leftpol/?


 No.2890134

File: d2210f5ef3f0cfd⋯.jpg (63.34 KB, 550x550, 1:1, 1537380443981.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stbIYAyyhk8

Remember our debacle with reddit when catgirl drawfag got banned there? The mods started banning people who criticized them and accused them of being leftypol infiltrators. I can't help but think of that situation in parallel to what happened to us. Not only that but the redditors didn't even bother to overthrow their mods after they "went on strike", it was all for nothing.

It hurts me to think that we the supposed "anti-sectarian" left who were better than reddit could have fallen so low.

And I don't even browse leftpol.

>>2890005

I agree. Make leftypol fun again.


 No.2890173

>>2888145

Things will get better if we are growing and getting new people on board with fresh takes (and also attract back some oldfags and reclaim our boogeyman status)


 No.2890176

>>2890074

Once again, I have literally never posted on leftpol not once in my life, I’ve just stayed here and bitched about the mods. Line struggle. I did leave for about a year though because it got so shit and I was focusing on IRL stuff


 No.2890246

>>2889726

Who said anything about wanting to keep liberal institutions in place?


 No.2890336

>BO announces his resignation

>Now the most popular thread is about race realism

Didn't take long.


 No.2890354

>>2890336

>resources debunking race realism are bad

If only you read past the title.


 No.2890364

>>2890246

>So why can't I oppose the governments policies and oppose the violent overthrow of it as well?

Unless your plan is to ask it nicely to go away, you did.


 No.2890404

>>2890364

Obviously within this context I meant the violent overthrow by say the US or imperialist powers in general that have no plans to install anything like a socialist government. The overthrow of the government by it's own people in order to establish a socialist government is another thing entirely.


 No.2890407

>>2888760

I vote this guy for next BO


 No.2890461

>>2890407

Inb4 Hoochie is the next BO


 No.2890467

>>2890461

pls no


 No.2890544

>>2890133

The moderation team would likely reject this even if it was popular. I want to support this idea, but I think that most of the anons who moved on won't be coming back and it could result in an unnecessarily burden for the vols.

>>2890134

It seems to me that a major cause of poor moderation is a lack of moderation of itself. I don't think the old BO was malicious but in the case of /leftypol/, the old BO is more to blame than the moderation team (though they are not entirely blameless either).

I've said in another thread that anons should have some degree of control over the selection of moderators. I have a few ideas that avoid the realm of elections, but they are far from organized thoughts. Ultimately, if we want well-moderated internet forums for any topic of discussion, a very different form of moderation will have to be designed.

>>2890173

I dislike this belief that more people and more opinions is inherently better. Unless you want a mess similar to /pol/, /leftypol/ needs an educated base of anons to provide a proper left-wing perspective, to counter bad takes with good takes and so on. I agree to some extent with the old BO about how imageboards do little to encourage literacy in this regard.

However, this is why I disagree with heavy-handed moderation. It seems logical to say that banning dissenting viewpoints will drive away those who wish to seek out such different perspectives, especially if they are the dissenters. Furthermore, what will become of the "educated base" I mentioned have a few dissenting opinions of their own?

It is difficult to distinguish a good troll from someone who is ignorant or misinformed, which is exactly why bans should be used with proper consideration.


 No.2890681

Are we back to /r9k/ tier now with the endless incel spam because of the change in bo?


 No.2890717

>>2890336

more like

>leftpol anons come back

>incel thread gets 7 new posts a minute


 No.2890905

>>2886852

You're right, /leftypol/ is full of fascists in the closet.


 No.2891042

>>2890681

New BO is yet to announce his agenda:

>>2891039


 No.2891093

>>2887237

You sound like the dumbasses on /r/socialism, which this board used to make fun of.


 No.2891123

>>2891042

Where was the new BO announced?


 No.2891170

File: 9de5281e0883406⋯.jpg (12.81 KB, 241x272, 241:272, patrick shrug.jpg)

>>2886760

Thank you BO and also fuck you.


 No.2891196

File: 3362ab09d50cb4f⋯.gif (858.8 KB, 330x245, 66:49, 3362ab09d50cb4fda00ac38f2c….gif)

>Read Justice4Trannies

Lel

>Blah blah muh subversion blah muh rohava blah bl-

If you weren't such a humorless assburger, perhaps you could've convinced people through debate and banter

>Muh alphabet soup fascists

<I.e. "I failed to destroy the board so I'm going to blame everyone else instead"

1/10 - At least you didn't resign like Im "Buffalo Queer" Kikefy

Take your meds


 No.2891352

>>2891196

Long time no see, Naziposter, where have you been?


 No.2891392


 No.2891403


 No.2891405

OH, NO! APPARENTLY SINCE ALL /INCEL/ POSTERS HAVE BEEN BANNED, AND SINCE THE /B2/ and /POL/ RAIDS HAVE STOPPED, IT TURN'D OUT THAT WE R ONLY 555 PPL

;-(


 No.2891408

File: c92ed2b956c5a6b⋯.png (80.57 KB, 1839x403, 1839:403, 1.png)


 No.2891410

>>2891405

>>2891408

>cheering low numbers of users

MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN


 No.2891411

>>2891123

Nowhere. I am keeping things quiet for now - another group chat between the vols is scheduled for Saturday. I have some plans laid out but nothing drastic. There won't be a /leftypol/ perestroika.


 No.2891420

File: c41a5376087cb3e⋯.jpg (112.51 KB, 550x818, 275:409, glasnost ?.jpg)

>>2891411

perestroika was the economic liberalization glasnost was the opening up of the political system and unbanning of the parties you dopey cunt (as well as declassifying basically everything)


 No.2891422

>>2891352

Avoiding BodyOdor

Not even kidding. Last ban here was for repeating the official PSUV/Government position in the Venezuela thread


 No.2891493

test


 No.2891594

File: a965c7bd81dae65⋯.jpg (82.75 KB, 640x640, 1:1, 52365aebda219503110b093b23….jpg)


 No.2891595

File: 784d72b24800806⋯.jpg (8.68 KB, 480x368, 30:23, MarriedBigGonolek-poster.jpg)

>>2891411

>There won't be a /leftypol/ perestroika.


 No.2891601

File: bdfa7c8df5997c4⋯.png (80.28 KB, 1663x270, 1663:270, 5.png)

File: 54d0301496ac18a⋯.png (24.76 KB, 760x128, 95:16, 4.png)

File: 104178021d9d7b1⋯.png (152.49 KB, 1819x508, 1819:508, 3.png)

File: 6998c4d19e7eab1⋯.png (59.38 KB, 983x173, 983:173, 2.png)

File: 72ac883c9f0b3f7⋯.png (41.14 KB, 791x210, 113:30, 1.png)

Daily reminder that this is the actual state of >>>/leftpol/ . Their butthurt posts are clearly detectable ITT.


 No.2891604

File: c833f77025f4896⋯.png (64.19 KB, 1530x335, 306:67, 5.png)

File: 2272fb02ea332c8⋯.png (43.52 KB, 993x203, 993:203, 4.png)

File: 0d23204b6c3c756⋯.png (119.64 KB, 1582x461, 1582:461, 3.png)

File: c68145b4a161a1d⋯.png (128.1 KB, 1609x450, 1609:450, 2.png)

File: d14b7d4e5b37cc4⋯.png (70.1 KB, 1582x208, 791:104, 1.png)


 No.2891609

>>2891410

>more means better


 No.2891611

>>2891604

It's true though, feminists have protected status with their anti-tranny and anti-prostitution threads.


 No.2891612

>>2891609

>less means better and not just a shitty hug box for brainlets.


 No.2891618

>>2891612

If it's a shitty torture chamber for brainlets why do you keep coming back full with resentment, anon? Did something hurt your feelings? Please, you can talk to me.


 No.2891622

>>2891601

>Complaining that BO killed off 3/4 of the board makes you butthurt

Nothing wrong with being angry about that tbh.


 No.2891637

>>2890544

>I dislike this belief that more people and more opinions is inherently better.

it is. More people is more power. I can't believe you are on a socialist board saying we should be a small and insular intellegensia rather than broad mass movement.

> Unless you want a mess similar to /pol/

a large user base creating propoganda. Yes i would like that.

>/leftypol/ needs an educated base of anons to provide a proper left-wing perspective

it used to have that far more before the split.

> It seems logical to say that banning dissenting viewpoints will drive away those who wish to seek out such different perspectives, especially if they are the dissenters. Furthermore, what will become of the "educated base" I mentioned have a few dissenting opinions of their own?

this is literally exactly what happened. A brainlet got in charge of banning people and everyone with two brain cells to rub together left in disgust.

Now the brainlets claim that they were the educated base the whole time.

The educated tend to be the dissenters.


 No.2891638

>>2891609

> a few retards in a circle jerk all of whom are clueless is somehow better

>a slow board with slow posters is better.

fuck off with this "i am the most advanced form of marxim leninism the world has ever seen" the vast majority of you faggots get your shit from memes and don't know what the fuck you are talking about


 No.2891639

>>2891405

yes 1000 isps were all just incels and only the hard core third remains…. or it was the other way round


 No.2891647

>>2891638

Yes /leftypol/ needs more users, however the strategy for recruiting more users can NOT be trying to get people from reddit and tumblr on board. Those people are literal cansor.


 No.2891657

>>2891647

reddit and tumblr are exactly the kind of people who want a highly moderated torture chamber


 No.2891713

>>2891647

>>2891657

Doesn’t forget Twitter


 No.2891752

>>2891637

>it is. More people is more power.

so go join the democrat party


 No.2891776

File: e52db7011e7148a⋯.jpg (84.98 KB, 718x654, 359:327, e52db7011e7148a23e87040807….jpg)

>>2889523

>People are having in-depth discussions, with the occasional hot takes and banter

<Start blanket banning people, flip at jokes, threaten to nuke the board

>See, this is why imageboards suck and rot people's brains :^)

There was plenty of leftism going about until you smothered it with your autistic temper tantrum


 No.2891788

File: 221cf8f68edb0e9⋯.jpg (41.81 KB, 500x424, 125:106, ReadABook.jpg)

>>2891637

>Now the brainlets claim that they were the educated base the whole time.

>The educated tend to be the dissenters.

This. The leftcoms and the bookchinfags are a lot of things, but "uneducated" is undeniably not one of them.


 No.2891807

>>2891788

>>2891788

nah bookchinners are mostly brainlets that think that a dialectic of nature is some magical third way between evil state socialism and capitalism, they usually try to make it consistent with marx even where it is completely contradictory but it works in their heads cause they havent actually read marx

leftcoms were mostly great posters in their glory days tho


 No.2891872

File: 89373fd7075b756⋯.jpg (27.39 KB, 480x342, 80:57, YouTalkLikeAFag.jpg)

>>2891807

I never said that bookchinfags' shit wasn't all retarded, just that their particular brand of retardation is educated. They read, for sure


 No.2891953

File: b1daff6672628a4⋯.jpg (59.16 KB, 630x350, 9:5, FIDEL-CASTRO.jpg)

>>2889242

Hoochie wasn't chosen because of her agreement with the BO's policies. Hoochie didn't give a shit and just banned people to start drama and get attention. Eventually the BO came to his senses and removed the faggot.

>>2890544

>The moderation team would likely reject this even if it was popular. I want to support this idea, but I think that most of the anons who moved on won't be coming back and it could result in an unnecessarily burden for the vols.

People are drastically overstating the animosity between /leftypol/ and /leftpol/, mostly newfags I assume. We shared moderators and users and the BO even encouraged us to join them as to not splinter leftist presence on 8chan. I was a moderator on both boards until the account hacks resulted in the /leftpol/ BO getting paranoid and removing all mods who had about a week of inactivity. The problem is 8chan's design makes it basically impossible to go and just unban everyone without them explicitly appealing. If people who were unfairly banned come back and appeal their bans, I'll gladly overturn them.

>>2891042

We are going to discuss where to take this later on in the week or possibly the next, so we may announce something soon depending on consensus.

>>2891639

>yes 1000 isps were all just incels and only the hard core third remains…. or it was the other way round

It is closer to 1500. After the mass bannings, we were left with about 400 to 700 unique ISPs, depending on the week. This was down a peak of a little over 2000.

>>2891776

>naziposter returns

Hey, that's pretty cool.


 No.2891981

>>2891953

>People are drastically overstating the animosity between /leftypol/ and /leftpol/, mostly newfags I assume.

Lol this is wrong. What motivates users to use both /leftypol/ and /leftpol/ is that /leftypol/ is still much faster. /leftpol/ can sometimes take up to a few hours for someone to respond to posts. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that's why you share moderators too.

And I was here when the /leftypol/ /leftpol/ split happened. It was directly related to Ro cha-cha java supporters being censored, and it was very bitter.


 No.2892001

>>2891981

>Lol this is wrong.

In what way? The board volunteers themselves made it apparent they did not support the bans and the whole "l-leftpol splitters tried to destroy the board because they couldnt handle FACTS AND LOGIC!!!" attitude that some people have is entirely new and was scarcely seen at the time of the split. The point that I'm making is "the moderation will turn down the decision" is likely wrong. The problem was between the users and the board owner solely.

>/leftpol/ can sometimes take up to a few hours for someone to respond to posts. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that's why you share moderators too.

Uh, what? The boards shared moderators because one of them is now, years after the split, slow?


 No.2892215

Since the vols are around, do you all plan to make any changes to the wordfilters any time soon? Or is that the authority of the new BO?


 No.2892252

>>2892215

It's always been exclusively within the purview of the BO - this said, I am fully in support of the removal of a number of discussion-exclusionary wordfilters that have just gotten in the way.


 No.2892267

>>2886765

u mad bro


 No.2892277

>>2892267

It looks more like he is celebrating. u mad?


 No.2892339

>>2886765

This.

But also, chances are really, really high that we're about to get taken over by an infiltrator. Like the chances that the BO position isn't just given to some /pol/tard who's been pretending to be lefty for the past several years to take over this board are pretty slim.


 No.2892342

>>2892339

and you accuse us of being paranoid ☭TANKIE☭s


 No.2892426

>>2892339

I think it's more likely that it will be given to some extremist tankist neophyte of BO's authoritarian ideology, but we'll see. If they actually give the position to a moderate ML I will celebrate.


 No.2892427

>>2892342

I've never accused anyone of being competent, though.


 No.2892449

File: 9f9b5ec8303cff3⋯.jpg (1.51 MB, 1100x1700, 11:17, castro.jpg)

>>2892339

That's extremely unlikely, I do not understand why you'd come to this conclusion. For a start, when has /pol/ ever had the patience to wait for years of moderating and actively contributing in a community before suddenly destroying it?

>>2892426

This isn't the case, either. The new BO had overturned a lot of the "UR IMPERIALIST 4 DISAGREEING WITH ME!!!" bans back at their height, when he was a vol. Whenever he made a ban I felt was suspect or too harsh, I'd discuss it with him and he'd explain his reasoning, removing the ban or changing the length if it was faulty.


 No.2892515

I want to celebrate this but I know that another SJW ☭TANKIE☭ from Reddit is just going to be the next BO and nothing will change


 No.2892522


 No.2892915

File: 775eecaa70886fb⋯.jpg (46.93 KB, 850x400, 17:8, anti-literacy aktion.jpg)

>>2891637

I didn't say that less is better anon, I said that more isn't INHERENTLY better, though it certainly can be. Read my post again.

>>2891953

I was referring to the call to wipe the entire ban list. I assumed that not every ban is for 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧imperialism🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧.

>>2891788

pic related

>>2892339

It is far, far more likely for the board to be ruined by a well-intentioned idiot than an evil hand-wringing infiltrator.


 No.2892961

>>2891611

Even if I agreed to your premise for the sake of polemics, women would still make up ~50% of the world's workforce, trannies 0.01% (at most), and prostitutes aren't even proles – they are lumpens. With all our legitimate criticisms of many contemporary forms of feminism it can not be denied that theirs shares a lot of the same goals of our struggle, even if they are misguided by liberalism.

Meanwhile, your incel threads present half of humanity as greedy whores whoms't should be sold on the market, you psychopath. But keep doing what you do best: cry at your misfortune that totally has nothing to do with you being a maladapted individual, but is due to you being victimized by half of humanity.


 No.2892966

>>2891752

Yeh guess a should vote for whatever 100 member communist party currently exists in the US I’m sure that is what’s best for the working class. Instead of Jeremy Corbyn I will vote for CPGB-ML cos they are the true true commies who will lead the revolution. Fuck what Lenin said. I know better. Viva AssAd but also fuck his most important allies because they are anti Assad imperial dogs…


 No.2892970

>>2891788

>>2891807

Yeh I argued with the eternal leftcom prob harder than anyone in this board but ehhh that is why we are fucking here


 No.2893000

>>2892966

>>2892970

>Maoist flag

>is a socdem


 No.2893025

File: 88c085545d46b3a⋯.mp4 (15.83 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, The_absolute_state_of_left….mp4)

>>2892961

>women would still make up ~50%

And non-whites make up 85%, so you should read Settlers by J. Sakai. There is nothing wrong with denouncing whiterians (>inb4 femnism isn't anti-male), after all "theirs shares a lot of the same goals of our struggle, even if they are misguided by liberalism"

>humanity as greedy whores whoms't should be sold on the market

On the contrary, markets are inhuman and should be abolished, including the already existing sexual one.

>you psychopath

Nice projection. Psychopaths have the most sexual success, this is empirically proven fact. You just benefited from competing on the market and had more than your share, so you defend your privilege.

>you being a maladapted individual

just pull yourself by your bootstraps :^)

>victimized by half of humanity

You can try pushing your identity-based worldview all you want, it will not make it true. I am against feminists –an ideology not an identity- which are the majority of females and a minority of males. The espouse an ideology of liberalism that only serves to cloak their using their advantages to their own benefit at the cost of the rest.

>AssAd but also fuck his most important allies

So Russia? Can’t be the turds who decided to secede during a civil war and invite the empire in responsible for that civil war.


 No.2893056

>>2893025

>There is nothing wrong with denouncing whiterians

Not morally, but only theoryless liberal retards and halfwit Third Worldists do so.


 No.2893238

>>2893000

>not knowing shit about Maoism

We call socdems the national bourgeoisie you colossal fuckface. You can ally with this then to get rid of international capital. Admittedly, how this works in an imperial nation is slightly different, however the principles are the same. But if you think Mao would have chosen any of the shit tier communist parties in the UK over the Labour Party at this juncture you are fucking deluded. Why don’t you read what Lenin said on the subject of the British Labour Party. As for America, you a proper hard core idealist if you think a communist party is ever going to do shit. You are not even at the stage yet where you have a Labour or Socdem party


 No.2893239

Newbie here,

I am confused right now, so is the BO who is leaving cucked or is the board cucked?


 No.2893292

>>2893239

The bo cucked the board by being a cuck and also in charge of the board


 No.2893348

>>2893025

>inb4 femnism isn't anti-male

<inb4 u don't get perma banned


 No.2893368

Thanks for establishing this place. I think its really important and i hope it lives on.


 No.2893373

test


 No.2893396

>>2886760

Thanks for the board.


 No.2894156

yeh thats right sll you little bitches got nuthin.




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