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 No.2887946

Can we have one of these?

I saw a thread on /b2/ telling people to dump their best "clown world honkler-tier images". The thread started off with a bunch of anti-gay, anti-immigration shit.

I flooded the thread with LSC images and basically turned the whole thread around into an anti-Capitalist thread by simply posting these. I'll post them here since i've got nothing better to do.

Reminder that making "clown world" threads on /b2/ and flooding it with LSC pictures is best praxis. You should try it.

 No.2887947

File: 97236841558b00f⋯.jpg (629.04 KB, 1935x2591, 1935:2591, allergies.jpg)

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 No.2887950

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test


 No.2887951

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sample test


 No.2887954

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 No.2887956

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 No.2887957

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 No.2887958

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 No.2887960

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 No.2887961

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 No.2887962

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end dump


 No.2887965

What is /b2/ LSC


 No.2887966

>>2887965

/b2/ is new /b/.

Clown world meme has always been our meme. LSC is the best clown world meme.


 No.2887969

>>2887947

I think the Amazon Blimp thing was proven fake.


 No.2887976

>>2887969

Not like it matters. Plans are probably being drawn up already to make it real.


 No.2887979

File: 899ecc7e4c8cd5c⋯.png (906.14 KB, 598x1019, 598:1019, fascism is capitalism in d….png)


 No.2888028

File: a977c1e37259cf7⋯.jpg (302.93 KB, 772x591, 772:591, 1937468291.jpg)

found this today


 No.2888029

>>2888028

>ZION OIL & GAS, INC.

>Exploring for Israel’s Political and Economic Independence.

>Inspired by Genesis 49:25-26 and Deuteronomy 33:13-16.

what the fuck are even baby boomers at this point


 No.2888033

>>2887961

ooo is that last pic legit? i hope one crazy sob sees this.


 No.2888048

>>2888029

The idea is that the Bible has secret codes to find oil in Israel

Really


 No.2888055

File: e51b63b9bd6d801⋯.jpg (29.87 KB, 670x503, 670:503, the deer's troubles are ov….jpg)

>>2888048

holy fuck I looked it up

end me now


 No.2888123

a show in the uk about debt collection officers

https://youtu.be/T6wtiJmWv_A


 No.2888158

>>2888123

Ah yes, this is the kind of shit that makes one lose faith in humanity and become a posadist


 No.2888704

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 No.2888921

>>2887946

>first pic

>late stage capitalism

So late stage capitalism allows for the poor and downtrodden to be given a boss motorized wheel chair by basically other children with know how? Bad example m8.

I like leftypol but you guys need to learn some terminology if you are going to win anyone over. Capitalism is practiced even in prisons. Capitalism goes on regardless of how society has been organized. Fighting it is futile.

Fight and use terms like "corporate rule" or something similar and you'll get through to more people.


 No.2888922

>>2888921

maximum dunning-kruger


 No.2888930

>>2888922

Nah. Maximum knowing what stuff is.

Literally prisoners use anything from cigarettes to buttsex to practice capitalism INSIDE A PRISON. You will never stop it.

You have a body and mind, so do I. That's our capital. We leverage it for production and survival. This can't be stopped.

No one knows what you guys want because you use retarded terminology. Even Marx acknowledges what capitalism actually is.

You want to stop the poor farmer from using a tractor (capital) to grow crops? Or you want to stop a corporation from passing laws and ruling over everyone by force?

Which do you want to stop?


 No.2888933

>>2888930

Hurr capitalism is the buying and selling of stuf


 No.2888934

>>2888933

I literally never mentioned buy or selling. See how retarded you are? How do you expect anyone to come to your side?

Capitalism uses CAPITAL, in a million forms, to produce a better living situation or "wealth."

Need a ditch to run off water from your crops? Got a shovel? Shovel is capital and you do capitalism when you dig that ditch, thereby making the land more arable and more valuable.

Ever seen a dirt poor welder? What do you think they are using to weld? THEIR CAPITAL.

You aren't fighting against that. Yet you insist that you are in your language. The result? No one fucking listens. Just toss in the word "corporate" at least and people will actually get your point.


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 No.2888941

>>2888940

I understand you have very little mental capacity. But you will always be a slave unless you at least realize what is enslaving you.

It's not capitalism buddy. It's ACTUAL PEOPLE.

Good luck.


 No.2888948

>>2888941

>be medieval serf

>remove your feudal 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧lord🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

>another one takes his position

>still be a serf


 No.2888949

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>>2888934

>capitalism is when you use tools


 No.2888951

>>2888948

Yes.

However, populations can collectively demand better treatment and a better deal right? Isn't that probably the general reason you are here?

My point is that blaming and attacking "capitalism" includes all our serf brothers. Attacking it is what the lords want you to do instead of attacking them specifically.

>>2888949

Yes. Tools are CAPITAL. And do you use tools to increase your wealth? Or do you use them to remain the same or destroy your wealth? Newsflash. You are engaging in capitalism if you used them to increase your wealth.

So why attack that? Why not attack specific people and institutions?


 No.2888957

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>>2888951

>However, populations can collectively demand better treatment and a better deal right?

So unions or social democracy? The goal of socialists/communists is to abolish private property so that there will b no capitalists to barter with, because nobody will be one - or all to the same degree depending on how you look at it.

>My point is that blaming and attacking "capitalism" includes all our serf brothers.

<attacking slavery is an attack on slaves

>Yes. Tools are CAPITAL

It depends on who owns them and who uses them. If you use your shovel to work a field you are not capitalist. If you own a shovel and pay someone else to do it you are a capitalist. You will always pay him less than he value he produces since else there would be no self-interested capitalist incentive for you to hire him.

This is why capitalism is inherently exploitative and a part of the economic output created by labour goes as unearned income in forms of rent, profits, dividends etc. to the owning class simply for having private property instead of working. In developed economies this share being leeched off by capitalist parasites is around 50% and increasing.


 No.2888960

>>2888957

>self-interested capitalist incentive for you to hire him.

this is the profit motive of course


 No.2888961

>>2888957

>abolish private property

Control and ownership are the same thing in practice and this is why it's always a disaster. You are basically playing semantics while clamoring for a small group of people to control all the resources in a top down hierarchical fashion.

>attacking slavery is an attack on slaves

But you aren't attacking slavery or the slave drivers. You are attacking the basic human condition.


 No.2888963

>>2888941

meaningless drivel

What makes you think you are qualified to talk about this? I'm really curios


 No.2888964

>>2888957

>If you own a shovel and pay someone else to do it you are a capitalist.

The other human is your capital. Just like your own body is your capital as well. Marxist leaders literally write books about how the population is their capital. The people are treated entirely as capital. Same as in a "free market."

That's my point. This is semantics and it always ends the same. We need to be attacking specific people and institutions with our rhetoric or it falls entirely flat and misses the point.


 No.2888966

>>2888963

I've read Das Kapital and I've read Human Action. So I've literally read the bibles of both extremes. They equate to the same thing generally.

Marxists get hung up HARD on ownership. But ownership and control are indistinguishable in practice. Control is the one that matters.

So marxists go on and on and wrest "ownership" from the rich. But then they give "control" to a top down, hierarchical structure that basically ends up doing the exact same thing.

This is why it's more important to attack people and institutions with our rhetoric and not ambiguous ideas.


 No.2888967

>>2888964

>Marxist leaders literally write books about how the population is their capital.

name one such book


 No.2888968

>>2887958

based murk


 No.2888970

>>2887962

>Newborn I

Imagine having Newborn II or III.


 No.2888971

>>2888967

Das Kapital

>“In reality, the laborer belongs to capital before he has sold himself to capital. His economic bondage is both brought about and concealed by the periodic sale of himself, by his change of masters, and by the oscillation in the market price of labor power. Capitalist production, therefore, under its aspect of a continuous connected process, of a process of reproduction, produces not only commodities, not only surplus value, but it also produces and reproduces the capitalist relation; on the one side the capitalist, on the other the wage-laborer.”


 No.2888972

>>2887962

>sterile supply $171

"Doctor washed his hands?"

"Yup."

"Better charge them about three fiddy for that."


 No.2888974

>>2888971

You will say this doesn't directly mean what i'm saying. But extrapolation makes it pretty clear. At what point in this magic transition does the person cease to be capital?

And that's just the most obvious first quote that came to mind.


 No.2888977

>>2888974

>At what point in this magic transition does the person cease to be capital?

When the social relationship underpinning capitalism are abolished.

When there's no longer production for exchange but production for use; when the private ownership of the means of production is no longer possible; when the (capitalistic) exploitation of workers is outlawed; when money is replaced by labour vouchers; when markets are no longer used for the allocation of goods and so on and so forth.

You are conflating a description by Marx of the inner workings of a capitalist economy with Marx' personal view on how an ideal economic system should work.

A description of "what is" is not a prescription of "what should be".


 No.2888979

>>2888961

>a small group of people to control all the resources in a top down hierarchical fashion.

This exactly what is happening under capitalism. Making the economy democratic instead of oligarchic is the opposite of that.


 No.2888984

>>2888977

>production for use

Who's use? This is my point.

Lord Acton - "Power Corrupts, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely"

I fail to see how centering control in one area is going to help. Needs to be more thought into dispersing power in the system you are talking about.

>This exactly what is happening under capitalism.

Yes. But then people clamor for even MORE power in even FEWER hands. How big is the committee deciding where all the resources go?

I just think there needs to be more thought into this control vs ownership idea.

There is a reason these things have failed over time and I think generally it's because everyone focuses on ownership, while forgetting that control leads to the exact same issues.


 No.2888999

>>2888966

What is the first chapter of Capital about then lad? Sum it up in your own words. I highly doubt that you have any fucking clue otherwise you wouldn't be so retarded to give a definition of capitalism that applies to essentially all hitherto existing human societies.


 No.2889004

>>2888999

It's a long discussion on commodities. I couldn't remember Mises first chapter either. These are long books with lots of ideas.

You are hitting on my point. Capitalism is a condition that exists in all human societies. Marx acknowledges this and wrote clearly that capitalism would LEAD TO his system after it inevitably failed.

That's why I'm saying in this thread. Attacking the ambiguous terminology is getting you nowhere and never has gotten us anywhere. It's literally just attacking a very general state of affairs and addresses nothing specific that people can actually stand up against and fight.


 No.2889137

File: 8b837323245b712⋯.jpg (1.46 MB, 3840x2160, 16:9, (You).jpg)

>>2888921

>literally admitting that capitalism is when you deprive kids of basic needs because they don't have enough money to pay for it


 No.2889140

>>2889004

You are transhistoricizing Capitalism, which is how I know you haven't read anything, because even if you thought Marx was wrong (nevermind that many others also abide by similar definitions as him re: different types of societies), you'd at least be able to put forward what the key components of a Capitalism, Fuedalist, Slave etc Economies were, and yet I haven't see you even be capable of approaching the discourse from this perspective. If you don't understand something, how can you critique it? All we're getting from you is weasel words.

Tell me, what did you read before you read Capital?


 No.2891303

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 No.2891536

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 No.2891546

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 No.2891772

>>2888921

>capitalism is when people exchange stuff

This stupidity is why liberals get the bullet too.


 No.2891783

>>2887948

Oh god, how dare this billionaire try to research and solve the homeless problem with his money?

This is unacceptable. The only one who should spend money on this is our glorious government using our tax payer money - they are the only ones who can solve the problem, just like they did in San Francisco, because they are wiser and they have the population's interest in mind.


 No.2891785

File: 0abcfd02232b53f⋯.jpg (169.6 KB, 763x809, 763:809, 0abcfd02232b53fa7df25f6b41….jpg)


 No.2891794

>>2887948

What causes homelessness? Well gee let's have a fucking think:

>wives fucking their ex husbands in divorce court

>former prisoners being released with no chances of ever finding work

>unemployment

>drug addiction or alcoholism fuelled by depression

>bankruptcy

>lack of education

>disabilities (including mental)

>former servicemen with ptsd or injuries failing to readjust to civilian life


 No.2891834

>>2891794

Or maybe it's just low Autism Level combined with no favorable genetic traits and the possibility to do jack shit. I doubt most of them are fit to normal society and would rather just leech off social benefits(paid by workers) if they could.

Reminder that homelessness didn't exist in soviet union, because they were forced to work and if they didn't they were forcibly sent to work camps.

Also most of the problems are the fault of themselves and I can't really get my head around why would anyone support this kind of filth, they belong in camps along with kulaks. And fuck me with that PTSD shit, people had their whole families shot and villages burned in WW2 and after the war they re-adjusted, but now we have some yet another kind of parasite, who leech off workers yet again and go kill random other people across the world and then the little angels somehow manage to get depressed. L M F A O


 No.2891848

>>2891834

Honestly the "it's their fault argument" makes no sense when homelessness widely varied based on economic outcomes. If most homeless were predestined to be homeless the homelessness rate wouldn't change with how the economy is doing/how the welfare state works.


 No.2891855

File: 88fdee175a04069⋯.jpg (65.86 KB, 645x320, 129:64, hlm.jpg)

File: b0390dc36d66f99⋯.jpg (563.06 KB, 940x530, 94:53, hlm_1.jpg)

>>2891834

>people had their whole families shot and villages burned in WW2 and after the war they re-adjusted

The homelessness problem got dealt with in this period by massive public founding of cheap as fuck appartment blocks… Not because each family ruined by war rebuild their little individual house with shovels and bootstraps.


 No.2891868

>>2891783

Give me $30b, and I will have the answer in one word: rent.


 No.2891869

>>2891834

>the homeless don't work because they don't want to

imagine being this retarded

and btw, namedropping the Soviet Union wont fool anyone, bourg apologist


 No.2891873

>>2891869

Retarded or not, apologist or not, they are factually correct. The poor don't want to work, simply and clean. They don't have to be poor, they choose it.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.2891875

>>2891873

All poor? every single poor person doesn't want to work?


 No.2891876

>>2891873

this

if only they got off their lazy asses, walked into the nearest buisiness and gave the manager a firm handshake, all their problems would be solved


 No.2891878

File: 8fad4cfc3a68461⋯.png (9.02 KB, 255x251, 255:251, who's that pokemon.png)


 No.2891879

File: ab632c1c5337f6e⋯.png (571.48 KB, 858x617, 858:617, comped.png)

>>2891303

>tacofags telling me what I can or can't post


 No.2891880

>>2891873

I guess 40% of Spanish people under 30 just "choose" to not work then. Makes sense.


 No.2891885

>>2891880

They choose not to go over to places with jobs. B/c they too stoopid. Think about it like this:

>No jobs here

>But jobs there

A stupid person doesn't stay "here".


 No.2891888

File: 06a75ca366941bd⋯.jpg (1.65 MB, 2576x1932, 4:3, VampireCapitalism.jpg)


 No.2891890

>>2891885

ok ok, but what if they go "there"

bet you didn't think bout' that one


 No.2891891

File: e0e282fee28ef62⋯.png (491.62 KB, 935x599, 935:599, corporate-sellout.png)

Marcuse: *pukes*


 No.2891892

>>2891890

They get a job, duh. More places than not have not automated away their clerks or burger makers or whatever. They'll manage.


 No.2891897

File: 1e6cf255bff9719⋯.png (221.92 KB, 576x432, 4:3, fraiser underwear.png)

>>2891873

>have shitty undiagnosed mental disease

>parents are poor as shit and kick me out when they're legally able to

>have no life skills cuz people thought I was retarded and lazy

>want to get a job, go to local 7/11

<ew a homless person, gtfo or I'll call the police

>try to apply online at local library

>almost get kicked out but realized all online applications require a home address

>mfw


 No.2891904

>>2891897

Get a PO box and some confidence. Of course, you can also get several of the myriad welfare benefits there are out there. Have a psych check you out, diagnose you, and apply for bux. In lots of places you can get like $800/month just for having the 'tism.


 No.2891907

>>2891875

>>2891878

>>2891880

The (real) poor are made up of retards, disabled, addicts, and elderly. Yet we look around society and see the retarded, disabled, addicts, and elderly working. . . You tell me what's the difference between two people with the exact same condition!?


 No.2891912

>>2891907

Holy shit you're dense bruv.


 No.2891914

>>2891907

conections


 No.2891942

>>2891907

>(real) poor

As opposed to fake poors who eat once a day but at least work a shitty part time?


 No.2891982

File: d0791008ae8c7ed⋯.png (559.99 KB, 542x736, 271:368, 2.png)

File: 0fd49ba331496a1⋯.jpg (899.07 KB, 3264x1644, 272:137, 3.jpg)

File: 360a95d6de9930c⋯.png (599.59 KB, 680x729, 680:729, 85.png)

File: 8e492f597c67b7a⋯.png (185.84 KB, 680x666, 340:333, 84.png)

File: 4326385b446c83c⋯.png (557.85 KB, 579x767, 579:767, 53.png)


 No.2891988

File: b3a21bba6950cde⋯.png (634.11 KB, 617x505, 617:505, 9.png)

File: 668c3fbf32f8401⋯.png (599.06 KB, 937x581, 937:581, 22.png)

File: 3e090fd9997451a⋯.png (1.49 MB, 1200x611, 1200:611, 40.png)

File: 0cca1fc3d5f44da⋯.png (242.62 KB, 301x617, 301:617, 28.png)

File: 7b868c2ad1af81a⋯.jpg (299.4 KB, 996x954, 166:159, think different.jpg)

Not gonna post everything I have since it'd just be the same shit as what I posted last thread. Would love to see more new content


 No.2891996

>>2891912

>>2891914

Ok, prove it.

>>2891942 the benefit of a capitalist system is that people rarely stay below poverty. Only a few classes of people remain their, hence the list and label.


 No.2892028

How do you know you're really in "late state capitalism"? From a Latin American perspective, this is just regular capitalism.


 No.2892049

>>2892028

well you're in the periphery

society and capitalism in the core countries (esp succdemia outside of america) looks very different


 No.2892050

>>2892028

I agree, it's just shorthand for "especially wacky shit capitalism is doing right now" at this point


 No.2892078

>>2891996

prove what, cuck

not a single company is going to hire a homeless person

and the 1000 years of experience for an entry level position bullshit requierements exist to turn down any outsider applicants and hire their buddies and family


 No.2892090

>>2887958

sauce on 2nd picture??


 No.2892110

File: 9a8ff6371576020⋯.jpg (892.48 KB, 2448x3264, 3:4, IMG_1995.JPG)

File: 38826cad9efb0f0⋯.jpg (1.09 MB, 2448x3264, 3:4, IMG_2625.JPG)

File: 6f1a7577ad95a65⋯.jpg (1.36 MB, 2448x3264, 3:4, IMG_2632.JPG)

File: 5c0df5f659148a1⋯.jpg (1.33 MB, 2448x3264, 3:4, IMG_2633.JPG)

here is some shitty art and art-related stuff


 No.2892292

Well one thing the aut-right was correct about, we do live in a clown world, they were just wrong on what the joke was…


 No.2892334

>>2891834

shove your eugenics crap up your ass nazi


 No.2892348

File: 1c8f42d372d48de⋯.jpg (61.6 KB, 750x423, 250:141, IMG_20190515_230859.jpg)


 No.2892354


 No.2892356

>>2892110

>4th image

>guns did this not capitalism and alienation.

I swear liberals are going to get us all fucking enslaved when they start letting the current lobby-occupied government decide who's capable of defending themselves.


 No.2892364

File: 419fc2fd8e4d148⋯.png (409.2 KB, 953x541, 953:541, billieexposed.png)


 No.2892768

File: f452e4e90af5283⋯.png (25.72 KB, 978x87, 326:29, yourfuture.PNG)


 No.2892796

>>2892348

No, I can't let Cruz shoot down my wife.


 No.2892813

>>2892364

What kind of trash people relate to such a dead-eyed boiler plate drone?


 No.2892820

File: c18486e7293357e⋯.jpeg (663.25 KB, 1696x2560, 53:80, ilovecapitalism.jpeg)

Made a clip of this wonderful interview a while back but I seem to have misplaced it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI2KFfp1AYo

This is what your ruling class is actually like.


 No.2892831

File: 57c16f8cadb695c⋯.jpg (14.65 KB, 226x223, 226:223, images.jpg)

I'm just disappointed in covering yourself up in a thick cum layer of bullshit.

It's about teenagers in high school calling themselves bi just to fit in the Tumblr crowd. Even the idea that faggots should act like drag queens just because of the idea of fags mocking the idea of femininity got lost in capitalism, is honestly just a whole crock of fucking bullshit.


 No.2892971

File: 051efdb1c8aafb9⋯.jpg (83.12 KB, 720x711, 80:79, IMG_20190516_180853.jpg)


 No.2892974

>>2892768

>the answer lies in more seclusion, more virtuality, an even lower attention span, and the further commodification of our social strata


 No.2892979

>>2892820

utterly irrelevant personal anecdote, this guy might be decent or maybe he just has good PR.

Any way as soon as finacialization sets in, taking risks and becoming an entrepreneur no longer makes any sense. The same goes for big monopolies, it no longer makes sense to for pursue innovation in a field where big players can buy out competition in early stages.

if you wanted to begin to make the system even remotely consistent. You would have a billionaire half-life of about 3 years (half of all the billionaires loose their wealth three years after getting it). And after 10 years all billionaires are exchanged. (nobody can hold on to that wealth for more than 10 years).

As soon as dynastic super wealth forms , existence is reduced to class war, and entrepreneur = henchmen of entrenched wealth extraction regime.


 No.2892987

File: 04fe03d2209ac3b⋯.png (994.69 KB, 1171x690, 1171:690, I can't take it anymore.png)

>>2891982

>Burger King restaurant will reopen today after the mass shooting inside

Since the very beginnings of capitalism horrific workplace incidents like textile machinery swallowing up workers' arms, mines collapsing, machinery exploding, whole row of workers getting electrocuted, etc. didn't prevent the managers to partially restore or redirect production. What makes this a legit late stage capitalism pic is the direct cause of the catastrophe at hand: the capitalist superstructure.


 No.2892990

>>2891891

Adorno: authenticity itself is the fakery


 No.2892994

>>2891546

The white-collar douchebag with his HR/business diploma shoved up his ass responsible for that question must have thought that he was being a fucking genius.

>>2891303

>brain scan device to increase your productivity

sniff, my gott, we are reaching certain limits, I tell u


 No.2893171

>>2887946

hurr durr the state should pay for my advanced medical devices that haven't existed for all of history but its now a human right


 No.2893174

File: 8b837323245b712⋯.jpg (1.46 MB, 3840x2160, 16:9, (You).jpg)

>>2893171

>hurr durr i got my leg sawed off from working in a factory but free healthcare covering the cost of it would be unnatural so i don't want it


 No.2893176

>>2893171

Well, it sure ain't gonna be meager prole wages that are going to pay it

>that haven't existed for all of history but its now a human right

>why don't the poor live like 16th century peasants???

The fuck does it matter that it didn't exist before, it exists now dumb bootlicker


 No.2893177

>>2892813

Anyone under 16, apparently.


 No.2893228

>>2891988

That apple pic. Fucking glorious. I still remember the day he died and all these musicians and shit were saying: "thanks for everything you did for the art world!" Like you cant make art on a PC. Clued me in on a bunch of people I probably should've already known were fucking phony as hell.


 No.2893304

File: fdf512531fcc4a7⋯.webm (1.06 MB, 720x540, 4:3, laugh.webm)

>>2892971

Holy fuck.


 No.2893305

File: c70f24b39b43326⋯.mp4 (3.43 MB, 680x400, 17:10, land of free.mp4)


 No.2893325

>>2893305

How's the last one bad?


 No.2893528

File: 7ac6643a415edd9⋯.png (850.15 KB, 775x757, 775:757, 02zw7dnk1sy21.png)


 No.2893631

File: bdce618dbb02439⋯.png (337.42 KB, 582x534, 97:89, muzzle flash.png)

>>2887946

>$20k wheelchair

dude get a fucking chair and put wheels on it why the fuck would it be $20k? No seriously that's just retarded most FANCY ones go for around $3k what the fuck where they trying to buy?

pic unrelated


 No.2893634

File: 2cc5f634f44f974⋯.jpg (914.02 KB, 2448x2864, 153:179, JewishNigger.jpg)

Thank Jesus of Huston for making Capitalism is so innovative. For example capitalism combines a commodity and propaganda into commaganda.


 No.2893723

File: e0120c3e49352d0⋯.jpg (35.94 KB, 600x701, 600:701, 1500324516877s.jpg)

Mcdonalds now act as embassies for distressed US citizens in foreign countries:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCPdYa0N9jI


 No.2893725

>>2891303

>Device to watch your brain to increase workplace activity.

The luddites did nothing wrong.


 No.2893759

>>2893528

Killing brown people on the other side of the planet increases your rights. And the more brown people you kill, the more they increase.


 No.2893770

>>2893528

>>2893759

So many veterans are scumfucks.

I distrust anyone who use to be in the military


 No.2893844

>>2893770

At this point your just denying possible recruits


 No.2893979

File: 7556d1ded184ac0⋯.jpg (116.22 KB, 1200x825, 16:11, IMG_20190517_225925.jpg)


 No.2893997

File: 902cbbd468ec39c⋯.png (490.91 KB, 860x800, 43:40, latest.png)

>>2892348

why does Ted Cruz think he can beat Ridley?


 No.2893998

File: 80a654bba22552e⋯.mp4 (12.14 MB, 854x480, 427:240, 250k.mp4)


 No.2894033

There's also one here

>>2881565

>>2887952

Leddit said the second pic is for the recovery from a suicide attempt.

>>2888055

I vaguely recall a long time ago that a US Crongressman said we don't have to worry about running out of oil because God will put more in the ground for us. Google isn't turning anything up tho.

>>2891536

Fun fact: belief in a just world co-relates with rule-breaking behavior.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.01770/full


 No.2894131

File: 75a7e632c2b3247⋯.png (41.77 KB, 296x88, 37:11, 1.png)

>>2893759

Last night I killed 10 brown people and my freedom of speech increased significantly.


 No.2894323

File: 924c95cbff58049⋯.jpg (255.55 KB, 2028x2800, 507:700, 20180617_112851.jpg)

Found this in a Walmart in the middle of Kansas.


 No.2894331

File: 7ffd2f2513d5720⋯.png (92.95 KB, 284x201, 284:201, 7ffd2f2513d5720d4de959a3c8….png)

>>2894323

Why are you in Walmart

And why are you in Kansas


 No.2894336

>>2894331

I (unfortunately) live there. This was actually from last year when I went to buy gear for a camping trip.


 No.2894356

>>2894323

I see shit like that all the time when I go to Walmart (which isn't too often, but there aren't many other choices in northern PA).


 No.2894358

File: b8afd30c53f06ca⋯.webm (3.93 MB, 680x400, 17:10, Late stage capitalism.webm)


 No.2894386

File: 198f4a432020715⋯.png (912.57 KB, 1024x554, 512:277, american suburb starter pa….png)

>>2894358

God bless this country.


 No.2894403

>>2894386

Don't forget Beef 'O' Brady's/Perkin's/Applebee's for the restaurant.


 No.2894407

>>2894358

you finally gave me the push I needed to kill myself, thanks anon.


 No.2894416

>>2887946

The "people" who oppose nationalised healthcare are vermin who should be brutally executed. There is nothing more for me to say on the matter.


 No.2894421

File: 0c191e6c315b7a0⋯.png (1.27 MB, 2510x1982, 1255:991, 20190518_155720.png)


 No.2894422

File: e9346f3a8447bb6⋯.png (363.77 KB, 400x668, 100:167, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2893770

It was veterans who built the great Communist experiments of the twentieth century. The more the government neglects them, the more we need to capitalise on their grievances.


 No.2894425

>>2894422

How are civilians supposed to establish socialism in case of conflict with the government again?


 No.2894427

>>2894425

As in, how are veterans useful? Are they going to be doing guerrilla warfare in the mountains of Appalachia?


 No.2894436

Lol this is gonna end up on Reddit in a week


 No.2894446

File: a77b88291f24302⋯.png (1.24 MB, 1420x946, 710:473, coolstory.png)

>>2894358

this could be depressing, but then you realize that humanity will eb esxtinct in 30 years so who fucking cares


 No.2894448

>>2893631

probably because the poor kid isn't jacked to shit with steroids, so he couldn't be able to roll it himself and needs a wheelchair with an engine in it? Also for safety reason cuz the kid's a fucking vegetable so if he fall out of his chair he's as good as dead?


 No.2894460

File: 6614e39c3bedec3⋯.jpg (41.93 KB, 246x205, 6:5, download.jpg)

>>2888028

>reverse image search

>no results

These people exist?


 No.2894467

>>2894448

>wheelchairs that 90 year old wrinkled little ladies can move around in require a person to be "jacked to shit with steroids"


 No.2894486

>>2888974

It doesn't say that the worker is capital but that he belongs to capital. That is a significant distinction.


 No.2894491

File: 870fe2e793e956d⋯.jpg (232.02 KB, 768x768, 1:1, 870fe2e793e956dec95aafa34b….jpg)

>>2894427

Dude, the Russian Revolution wouldn't have happened without the miserable conscripts being radicalized by the butchery of WW1 and czarism's incompetence.


 No.2894494

>>2894491

Why would they matter against swarms of drones, tanks, and elite soldiers? I'd understand if you're expecting part of the military to defect, but ordinary people, experienced as they may be, still have no comparable hardware. An existential threat to the government will not be tolerated quite like the Vietnamese or Afghans were.


 No.2894496

>>2894494

>muh super advanced technology

>be guy with gun

>shoot mech robot

>hit vital electric wiring, mech can no longer move

>be guy with a gun

>f-35 flies by

>crashes because the f-35 is a waste of tax money

>be guy with gun

>shoot gas tank on super advance hovering tank

>boom

Your point?


 No.2894502

File: 408db4a791fbfe0⋯.jpg (8.4 KB, 790x411, 790:411, black-helicopters1.jpg)

File: 22104cef397b727⋯.jpeg (2.9 MB, 3072x2048, 3:2, M1A1_Abrams_Tank_in_Camp_….JPEG)

File: c51ea1a642d1682⋯.jpg (44.66 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, avenger-drone.jpg)

>>2894496

My point is that you can't use guns against everything, and also where would you keep getting ammo from? Many tanks are made to withstand a blast from an RPG even, and would be nearly impossible to deal with.

Also just how bad is the F-35?


 No.2894525

>>2894502

>Abrams

The engine for the Abrams literally eats up parts and requires constant maintenance. It can't survive in an area where supply chains have been disrupted and it can't go back for inspection and repair after being out.

>F-35

Literally in development hell and only exists because the airforce is a bunch of piss-babies, more so than every other US branch, that NEEDS its own dedicated next-generation fighter. Not even necessarily for ground support mind you, just for anything ABOVE a certain altitude and for combat against other fighters and MAYBE ground support from that height. Everything under that is viewed as the jurisdiction of the USMCA. The American military is so mind boggling inefficient that every branch feels the need to have its own dedicated apparatuses that only their branch can use them rather than consolidating them.

Also, I think you greatly underestimate the importance of supply lines. The American military functions because there is a secure chain of armaments and materials, it isn't designed for a sudden stoppage of native industry. It's built currently for long term deployments, patrols, and occupations overseas WITH constant re-supply, not at home engagements located near critical industry.


 No.2894534

>>2887953

What is the book that pic 1 is from?

>>2894525

>requires constant maintenance.

good thing the USA has vassals across the world where they can store those parts, and it's a good thing in the US has plenty of parts rolling off the lines at home.

>F-35

It's trash alright, but that doesn't mean the F-22 is, or that the F-15, F-16 and F-18 will be leaving soon, in fact it ensures they will stay. A gun isn't much use against any of those TBH.


 No.2894553


 No.2894583

>>2894553

>>2894422

>>2894491

>>2893844

>confusing volunteers and second-wave conscripts

>thinking there is no difference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVLXNgk9uJ8


 No.2894665

File: 8887637a8a5cbfa⋯.jpg (93.81 KB, 670x504, 335:252, OverEngineering.jpg)

>>2894525

>It can't survive in an area where supply chains have been disrupted and it can't go back for inspection and repair after being out.

This isn't the 1960s. You can't disrupt supply chains if you don't own the sky.

>F-35

Kek, your bitching is completely upside-down. The Air Force wanted the F-22–a proper air superiority fighter–and got it before it got yoinked away, because the Army, Navy, and Marines each wanted their own special plane. The Army wanted a close air support plane, because the old A-10 had retired. The Marines have wanted a replacement for the Harrier since forever. The Navy wanted a carrier fighter to properly replace the retired F-14, since the the F/A-18 is–not surprisingly–shitty at air-to-air. Of course, rather than purpose design appropriate aircraft for each of them, the Pentagon had the genius idea to halt the F-22, which is actually good at its job, and use the meager savings to start development on one superplane that would do ALL the jobs for everyone.

A couple trillion dollars later the F-35 was born! It would have to be stealthy and fast enough to be an air superiority fighter for the Air Force (never mind that they already had the one that they wanted). It would be carrier-lanchable for the Navy, because the Top Gun branch can't be without the bestest fighter in all the world. It would perform at low altitudes and be capableof carrying an epic shitton of missiles and bombs for the Army. Aaaand it would have (ZOMGROFL) VTOL capabilities for the jarheads. Everyone who had seen Pentagon Wars knew how this shit would turn out.

>The American military is so mind boggling inefficient that every branch feels the need to have its own dedicated apparatuses that only their branch can use them rather than consolidating them.

The problem is the precise opposite. They should each have their own equipment, because they each need spectacularly different things. The military used to understand that. Trying to make futuristic Swiss Army knives only ever results in pic related.


 No.2894680

>>2894665

>This isn't the 1960s. You can't disrupt supply chains if you don't own the sky.

Yes you can. My dad said they has a saying the military “You can bomb it, gas it, nuke it, but until there’s a dumb grunt with a rifle standing on it, you don’t own it.”

Air superiority has been the exclusive domain of the US and they’ve gotten BTFO’d by everyone they’ve fought since WWII.

That’s why they do faggy Blacks Ops shit now.


 No.2894681

*My dad said they had a saying in the military


 No.2894695

>>2894680

>My dad said they has a saying the military “You can bomb it, gas it, nuke it, but until there’s a dumb grunt with a rifle standing on it, you don’t own it.”

"Owning" land is not what a supply line is, and that saying is from a long damn time ago.

>Air superiority has been the exclusive domain of the US and they’ve gotten BTFO’d by everyone they’ve fought since WWII.

You are one of those brainlets who think that the American military "lost" in Iraq and Afghanistan, because they never bothered to pacify the resistence, aren't you? Never mind that they got the Iraqi oil fields and Bagram, which were all they wanted in the first place. Never mind that they are siphoning the sands dry to keep the depression at bay or that they now have staging bases all around Iran or that OPEC has been utterly rekt. What matters is that some impotent militias are still fighting with the local proxies, right? Because stopping that is what victory looks like. No, the only war that the Americans have lost since WWII is Vietnam, and they did not have air supremacy there. Bush was completely right about "Mission Accomplished."


 No.2894699

>>2894665

>The problem is the precise opposite. They should each have their own equipment, because they each need spectacularly different things. The military used to understand that. Trying to make futuristic Swiss Army knives only ever results in pic related.

Interservice rivalry is social Darwinist faggot Nazi shit, Soviets knew that. The military as a whole has one job - supporting its goddamn infantry. Strategic bombing doesn't fucking work, Giulio Douhet is a twat, and I will force-feed The Command of the Air to any dipshit that says otherwise.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/readings/command_of_the_air.pdf


 No.2894700

File: 3abfce824dfa6b6⋯.jpg (130.97 KB, 525x809, 525:809, 3abfce824dfa6b6494fa023e93….jpg)

>>2894695

>Americans didn't have air supremacy in Vietnam


 No.2894703

File: 66b15bdc3b998aa⋯.jpg (54.61 KB, 800x533, 800:533, 800px-K-13_(AA-2_'Atoll').jpg)

>>2894700

The Vietnamese Air Force blew the fuck out of the American Air Force, largely due to superior Soviet tech like the K-13.


 No.2894704

File: 10adc66cbed3be4⋯.png (170.76 KB, 431x311, 431:311, 10adc66cbed3be4c6b3765636d….png)

>>2894703

And yet they still dropped more tons of bombs on North Vietnam alone than they did on DRPK, (and still almost got pushed off the continent), which was more than what they dropped in the Pacific during WWII.

Really. Makes. You. Think.


 No.2894706

>>2894699

What the fuck are you even talking about? I am talking about specialized equipment like air superiority fighters that do not have ludicrous things like bomb compartments and VTOL fans built into them.

>>2894704

They did the same thing in Germany without having air supremacy. What exactly do you think air supremacy is?


 No.2894711

>>2894706

The fact that every single branch has their own airforce, their own ground troops, and their own special forces is fucking retarded, and their shit coordination shows that. That was before the fact that their doctrine is shit, and their weapons design is shit, too. They just need to start assassinating members of congress aligned with the other branches, and US would be Imperial Japan, with the same results.


 No.2894719

>>2894711

Their respective aircraft, ground-pounders, and special forces do not do the same things. Army aircraft fly low to the ground and destroy armor. Air Force infantrymen embed with allied units and direct air support. Marine armor is light and quick to deploy. Navy SEALs get three-hundred confirmed kills. They each have different functions.

>and their shit coordination shows that

Their coordination is fucking awesome. That is the greatest strength of the NATO militaries. For real, the level of integration between American and allied units is at a level a layperson would not even understand. It really is one big machine.


 No.2894868

>>2894553

>Don’t except recruits because they have backgrounds that make me feel uncomfortable

Collage student detected


 No.2894935

Is it possible for modern governments to defeat each other solely through air power? That is, bomb their infrastructure and armed forces and surround their leadership with helicopters and have them do all the work themselves under threat of annihilation – no ground army required. Isn't this what basically happened between the US and Japan?


 No.2894956

>>2894935

No. Air power acts as a force multiplier to ground troops. Airplanes or helicopters can't reliably hold territory.

Also, the US fought a brutal island-hopping campaign against Japan, and the Japanese didn't surrender until the Soviets attacked and took Machuria and North Korea. Air power helps immensely, but you need boots on the ground to actually occupy a territory.


 No.2894958

>>2894935

>Is it possible for modern governments to defeat each other solely through air power?

No, but air power makes a ground army much more powerful. With enough bombs a side can bomb everything and bring on the apocalypse onto an opponite, but this isn’t a real victory.


 No.2894959

>>2894935

Yes, nukes.


 No.2894961

>>2894956

>Air power helps immensely, but you need boots on the ground to actually occupy a territory.

The thing that neoliberals figured out that anti-imperialists have not quite caught up to is that winning a war does not have to involve anoccupation. In fact, the occupation is just a headache that can be avoided with a bit of clever local politics and the minimal application of military force.


 No.2894963


 No.2894965

File: 71db88e51612a81⋯.png (58.7 KB, 319x315, 319:315, Screen Shot 2019-05-19 at ….png)

>>2894963

>NATO had no forces on the ground

Are you retarted?

>>2894961

The US military is very good at invading countries, but absolute shit at occupation.


 No.2894971

File: 0cca5f0dea62bfd⋯.jpg (98.78 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, Bill-Clinton-1999.jpg)

>>2894965

Exactly. The American military is purpose-built to sweep an opposing army from the theater of war in a week. They don't do long-term occupations. I remember Clinton getting shit on for repurposing the military to that effect.


 No.2894987

>>2894935

>Is it possible for modern governments to defeat each other solely through air power?

No

>That is, bomb their infrastructure and armed forces and surround their leadership with helicopters and have them do all the work themselves under threat of annihilation

With a ground army to protect you would get annihilated trying to do this.

>no ground army required. Isn't this what basically happened between the US and Japan?

No Japan saw that The Soviet Union was going to target them, and they preferred to surrender to the US.

>>2894956

No. Air power acts as a force multiplier to ground troops. Airplanes or helicopters can't reliably hold territory.Also, the US fought a brutal island-hopping campaign against Japan, and the Japanese didn't surrender until the Soviets attacked and took Machuria and North Korea. Air power helps immensely, but you need boots on the ground to actually occupy a territory.

very true

>>2894958

but air power makes a ground army much more powerful. With enough bombs a side can bomb everything and bring on the apocalypse onto an opponite, but this isn’t a real victory.

A real victory is if you get get the surplus of hat society.

>>2894959

Yes, nukes.

No that's not a victory.

>>2894961

The thing that neoliberals figured out that anti-imperialists have not quite caught up to is that winning a war does not have to involve anoccupation. In fact, the occupation is just a headache that can be avoided with a bit of clever local politics and the minimal application of military force.

Well the neoliberals had to adapt to the reality that occupations are no longuer possible, colonialism is dead. The Soviet Union killed it by arming liberation struggles. Post colonial imperial surplus extraction form subjugated countries however is much much lower than that of colonialism. This allowed at least partial development, and hence there is a possibility for a path out of subjugation, meaning that the neo-liberals never caught up with anti-imperialism.

>>2894971

>They don't do long-term occupations.

they now do forever-war like in Iraq and Afghanistan, consider that there are American soldiers fighting in Afghanistan that weren't born when that war began.


 No.2894992

>>2894987

>they now do forever-war like in Iraq and Afghanistan, consider that there are American soldiers fighting in Afghanistan that weren't born when that war began.

The US military isn’t good at long-term occupations. Iraq is now an Iranian client state, and half of Afghanistan is under control of the Taliban. This isn’t winning, or at least not winning like in 2003 the US Army reached Bagdad in three weeks.


 No.2894996

>>2894987

>With a ground army to protect you would get annihilated trying to do this.

What if the level of technology was different? Say, F-22s versus unmanned hypersonic jets that can make sharp turns and have built in lasers that lock on to targets using computers. If you have plenty of these kinds of planes flying around, being unable to be shot down while themselves wreaking havoc below, would this not basically force a surrender?


 No.2895002

>>2894553

You sound like that faggot who created the spit on Veterans thread on Veterans Day and got assblasted when people told you to stop stooping to the same level reactionaries do.


 No.2895007

>>2894665

>>2894719

this guy knows whats up. The only interdepartmental "rivalry" is Marines being screeching crayon eaters who keep blowing themselves up trying to "prove" that they're "better" than the army. Everything else is set up so that each branch of force is dedicated to a certain realm of tasks and they implicitly rely on each other to a huge extent.

It's also why these overengineered do-it-all machines are fundamentally broken from the outset. If you have a weapon system that can do everything, but can only do one thing at once, you're wasting a huge amount of resource development and investment into that one thing that should be spread out among other areas for more efficient use of resources. That's not to say everything has to be specialist, you can have a jack-of-all-trades, but those trades should all be in a related field.


 No.2895010

>>2894665

> F/A-18 is shitty at air-to-air.

What the flying fuck are you talking about? Hornets might not be as light as an F-16 but they're comparable to MiG-29s in terms of short-range maneuverability and they're decent air-air platforms, they were modified into a strike-fighter role like the F-15, they were originally contenders for the fighter program, competing with the F-16.

>futuristic Swiss Army knives

That's just sheer incompetence. Take a look at the BMP-3. 30mm autocannon, 3 machine guns and a 100mm auto-loading cannon. It's 100mm gun is low-recoil but has enough impact force to shatter the armor of a T-55 frontal plate (while firing from the water no less) in tests. It's armor can be upgraded with ERA and other packages and it can be modified with a 125mm cannon to become the Sprut light tank. It's multipurpose and essentially covers a lot more ground than the BMP-1 or 2 could.

It is true however that each military branch generally has its own requirements, however multi-tasking to an extent isn't bad either. The Su-27 family like the 30 and 35, Can cover Interceptor, strike-fighter and air-superiority as well as close-range dog-fighting rather well. This doesn't mean a dedicated Interceptor like the MiG-31 or a dedicated ground attack/strike aircraft like the Su-25 and SU-34 aren't needed, but it does allow for less complications, especially with the Su-34 which shares many parts with the Su-30 but is still dedicated to striking.


 No.2895012

>>2894719

>Their coordination is fucking awesome.

Correction it WAS fucking awesome. Currently their coordination is shit (Sinking a frigate, not having enough arms for German exersizes etc.)


 No.2895026

>>2894992

>This isn’t winning, or at least not winning like in 2003 the US Army reached Bagdad in three weeks.

Pretty sure you mean 1991. It absolutely is winning. In fact, it's the best kind of winning. It's the kind of winning where you get all of the loot and leave the victims forever divided and unable to stop you from draining them dry in the future. Also, the occupied country never rebuilds, so they never reemerge as an economic competitor.


 No.2895033

>>2895010

Having things that cover a broad number of related roles decently is a good thing. Trying to make one system that covers multiple unrelated roles is retarded.


 No.2895037

>>2895010

>Hornets might not be as light as an F-16 but they're comparable to MiG-29s in terms of short-range maneuverability

That meant a lot more when dogfighting and heat-seeking missiles were how air-to-air was conducted. Now, the targeting radar, avionics suites, and radar signature are what matters, all of which the F/A-18 is shit at. The old F-14 is still a better air superiority fighter, despite being gigantic, but the Navy can't afford to opperate them.

>It's 100mm gun is low-recoil but has enough impact force to shatter the armor of a T-55 frontal plate (while firing from the water no less) in tests.

>T-55

What year is this?

>This doesn't mean a dedicated Interceptor like the MiG-31 or a dedicated ground attack/strike aircraft like the Su-25 and SU-34 aren't needed

This right here is what the Pentagon does not get. High-tech Swiss Army knives are neat, but you still need the specialist equipment. You can't replace an A-10, a Harrier, an F-14, and an F-22 (which was already state of the art) with one jack of all trades. Maybe it's just more about Congressmen backing any pork barrel project that a Military Industrial Complex shill offers to them.


 No.2895124

>>2894992

>The US military isn’t good at long-term occupations. Iraq is now an Iranian client state, and half of Afghanistan is under control of the Taliban. This isn’t winning, or at least not winning like in 2003 the US Army reached Bagdad in three weeks.

Agreed, but consider that they didn't win 2003 either, reaching Bagdad in three weeks doesn't mean much considering that nations aren't feudal castles where you win by reaching the throne-room.

>>2894996

>What if the level of technology was different? Say, F-22s versus unmanned hypersonic jets that can make sharp turns and have built in lasers that lock on to targets using computers. If you have plenty of these kinds of planes flying around, being unable to be shot down while themselves wreaking havoc below, would this not basically force a surrender?

Well planes can only destroy things, they aren't people that can manipulate stuff on the ground, So no this isn't a reasonable approach to actually win a conflict. As far as your supersonic laser planes go, supersonic doesn't grant you immunity, The dprk almost managed to shoot down a SR71Blackbird with a unguided missile. Basically it just increases the chances of survival. Next up is that planes require fuel, and covering an entire country will use up prohibitively large amounts of fuel. And lastly lasers are not very good directed energy weapons, they suffer from low range due to beam attenuation in the atmosphere. They can provide a sort of heat-shield that works against incoming missiles. But inside an atmosphere a directed energy weapon would have to work with the atmosphere not against it. It might be possible to shoot a high frequency femtosecond laser pulse to knock off a few electrons from molecules in the air, then shoot a second microwave laser to ionize a channel through the air, and then dump large amounts of electrical charge through the ionized-gas-channel. There would have to be two of those crossing each others paths to create a sort of ark-weapon. A very large plane might have the sufficient wing span where emitters could be on the tip of wings to be far enough apart to prevent shorting, as well as have large enough jet turbines to make enough electrical power to run this.

I find that high powered lasers are probably best suited as a tool for cleaning up space debris from satellite collisions in low earth orbit. Space doesn't diffuse laser beams and by heating up parts of debris it would result in thermal material spattering, that would act as mini thruster pushing debris out of orbit. The ISS has a solar power array that can make 70-90KW of electrical power, it might be possible to mount a laser module to the ISS, and start de orbiting debris.


 No.2895141

>>2895124

My point with aerial weaponry was to have the opponent, perhaps aided by some diplomats and such, do all the ground work themselves under threat of annihilation, which I can imagine a state is much more willing to do than risk getting destroyed entirely. This could be achieved through many other means, such as particle beams, or artificial hurricanes – anything to make the other power surrender with the thought, on their side, that that is the best option. Is this reasonable, or would the dominating side still actually need boots on the ground?


 No.2895157

>>2895026

>Pretty sure you mean 1991

No I mean 2003. The fact that they were able to take control of all of the country in a few weeks from one of the biggest armies the Middle East has ever seen. Militarily speaking the initial invasion was not only successful, but impressive, even if it’s political fallout wasn't.


 No.2895163

>>2895157

Was their army not very poorly trained and disciplined? They had all those nice soviet toys but did use them properly.


 No.2895164

>>2895163

*did not


 No.2895165

>>2895141

What are you "threatening with annihilation"?

Not even nuclear weapons properly managed to do this.

>>2895037

> High-tech Swiss Army knives are neat, but you still need the specialist equipment. You can't replace an A-10, a Harrier, an F-14, and an F-22 (which was already state of the art) with one jack of all trades.

Swiss army knives are gonna form the bulk of your forces in a well-made, well organized and equipped force. The important point is knowing when to stop adding tools to a swiss army knife. At some point you're going to have a swiss army knife with so many tools that many of them are gonna sit unused, taking up weight and bulk, or you're going to be trying to use a scalpel with a sledgehammer attached or vice versa. And more to the point, if you're going to make an everything-tool, you're gonna either be bloated in cost or not have enough to form a proper core. (The US went with bloated in cost, obviously)


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File: a8219998753db26⋯.jpg (16.48 KB, 360x640, 9:16, IMG_20190519_203509.jpg)

File: 8bc2be07ec8c628⋯.jpg (100.3 KB, 540x960, 9:16, IMG_20190519_203511.jpg)

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photos from inside a US prison


 No.2895201

>>2895141

>My point with aerial weaponry was to have the opponent, perhaps aided by some diplomats and such, do all the ground work themselves under threat of annihilation, which I can imagine a state is much more willing to do than risk getting destroyed entirely. This could be achieved through many other means, such as particle beams, or artificial hurricanes – anything to make the other power surrender with the thought, on their side, that that is the best option. Is this reasonable

particle beam weapons? Particle accelerators tend to be gigantic structures many kilometres in diameter, used by research institutions involved in particle physics. There were smaller particle weapons proposed but those used nuclear warheads that destroyed the weapon after one shot. However If you could make a powerful particle accelerator that is small enough for military applications, war-planes and basically all other areal weapons would become obsolete.

Artificial Hurricanes or more general weather control systems are mostly distant scifi. So i wont comment on that.

As far as the prospects of bombing states into submission, goes that can be subverted with a combination of political alliances, AA-bateries, and if you push hard enough nuclear deterrence.

>or would the dominating side still actually need boots on the ground?

Recent evidence shows that even with troop deployment it is not really possible to fully subjugate nations whose populations are not willing. You can destroy the economic base and throw back development many decades but that is about it.


 No.2895205

File: 129ce9d870c0b53⋯.jpg (104.21 KB, 1029x1200, 343:400, D55QYXrW0AIK4wy.jpg)

>>2887946

>arby's wants people to fuck their sauce packets


 No.2895211

>>2895205

even more disturbing that its a loli


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 No.2895229

>>2895194

What the fuck. This looks closer to things from the Holocaust.


 No.2895244

File: def500fe450d424⋯.jpg (62.57 KB, 597x784, 597:784, 11d7166b47aae2681049f6b966….jpg)

>>2895194

Pic related is all one needs to know about why US prisons are so shity. Prisons in America don’t exist to reduce crime or anything, but to give Porky cheep labor.

>>2895163

The US invasion took only 26 days. This is what made the 2003 invasion impressive. Not that the US won, but the speed at which they won.


 No.2895712

>>2895037

>which the F/A-18 is shit at.

True, I'd just give them an upgrade since the platform itself is decent.

>What year is this

The BMP-3 is a late-soviet design.

>>2895033

Yeah that's what I was essentially saying, thanks for putting that into a TL;DR format.


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 No.2895723

>>2895211

lmfao yea you're right


 No.2895735

>>2895244

As a Euro first time seeing the proper wording of the 13th amendment I have to wonder, how does the state wiggle out that the military service draft is constitutional?


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 No.2895801

>>2895735

During WW1 their was a court case that argued that the draft was unconstitutional, but the Supreme Court ruled against it.

https://archive.fo/FtwJF


 No.2896273

File: 599949cff66c108⋯.png (1.48 MB, 1200x1593, 400:531, ClipboardImage.png)

I-is this real?


 No.2896454

File: c61b872e451ff18⋯.jpg (87.73 KB, 750x726, 125:121, IMG_20190521_085959.jpg)

File: babbad348443bac⋯.jpg (118.9 KB, 750x945, 50:63, IMG_20190521_090000.jpg)

File: 0e7d1b2d43519e3⋯.jpg (95.04 KB, 750x733, 750:733, IMG_20190521_090001.jpg)


 No.2896455

>>2896454

WITH BIRDFEED COMMERCIALS EVERY 5 MINUTES


 No.2896458

>>2896455

>>2896454

I'm vegan, and this is weird.


 No.2896459

>>2896454

this is actually fucking dystopic Jesus Christ


 No.2896468

>>2896458

Thanks for informing us. We really wanted to know.


 No.2896473

File: 3f7889aa34fb91a⋯.jpg (63.8 KB, 600x350, 12:7, Deluxe hugs.jpg)


 No.2896494

>>2896273

probably not, compared to te amount of money in a student debt trap , getting beat up by a billionaire will get you much more money by suing them for assault, then milking the media hype around it. If Zuck is that stupid you should exploit it if you get the opportunity.


 No.2896783

>>2896494

people in desperation don’t think logically

>>2896273

Probably not, though I wouldn’t be surprised if it was. The thing about Musk is that he’s incredibly naive about economics and the downsides of capitalism, he ligitimently believes in neoliberal propaganda. While Zuck on the other had, he knows what he is doing is evil, he just doesn’t care.


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File: 1ac80ff3d0b4db0⋯.jpg (72.5 KB, 812x960, 203:240, 59410304_2111179832314256_….jpg)

File: 4b56fa593328ba2⋯.jpg (59.73 KB, 960x700, 48:35, 59748600_2346514648961036_….jpg)

File: 14ec6226b1536b6⋯.jpg (79.24 KB, 827x932, 827:932, D7H0rXYXkAABZze orig.jpg)

File: 928a744c129f5b6⋯.png (507.03 KB, 794x645, 794:645, 56416845_2507661545944916_….png)

File: 7da36f1e7212168⋯.png (58.39 KB, 604x866, 302:433, 7da36f1e72121685b7b1e73112….png)

5th pic isn't LSC but should be posted literally everywhere.


 No.2897078

>>2894583

I clearly said conscripts, which was the overwhelming majority of the Russian army.

>>2894553

I didn't say anything about the likelihood of the the burger armed forces actually revolting. My point is that a guerrilla or people's war against a national army has very, very low odds of success.


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File: ba0f661ac1cb489⋯.png (330.59 KB, 812x960, 203:240, freedom to die.png)


 No.2897091

File: 03c701c07e89351⋯.png (216.29 KB, 720x712, 90:89, emotiv.png)




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