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File: ee9e9d8f7fa8908⋯.jpg (11.31 KB, 227x222, 227:222, images.jpg)

 No.2894164

This thread is for the discussion of bans, (bump)locks and generally anything pertaining to the moderation of the board. The last thread is a little crowded with things from last year, so I think it's time for a new, fresher thread.

RULES:

Don't:

-spam

-post cuckshit, "commies BTFO," or any of that kind of shit

-post any porn depicting underage (including drawings)

-deny the existence of climate change

-attempt to cloak reactionary politics in left-wing rhetoric (Strasserism, "Nazbol" Strasserism, National "Socialism," Zionism, "Die cis scum"/"Kill all white men" SJW shit)

-use socialist language or parrot state department talking points to defend blatant imperialism

-incite specific acts of terrorism or similar acts (use your head, don't act like a fed)

-post gender and sexuality topics outside of established cyclical threads.

Do:

-be respectful, ask questions, and know your place if you're a reactionary

-feel free to flame, shitpost, and be sectarian if you are a leftist (just keep it somewhat within reason)

https://8ch.net/log.php?board=leftypol

https://8ch.net/bans.html

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 No.2894165

Dizcord should be allowed. Raids should be allowed and encouraged. Raiders on our boards should be banned as well as spammers and that's about it.

Given the fact that what the retard BO decided counted as imperialism destroyed the board before, what is and is not imperialism should be left up to the board for debate as CLEARLY the moderators and BO are completely and utterly unqualified for the task.


 No.2894166

>>2894165

if you would like an insular humourless brainlet circle jerk, listen to BO. If you would like to re-live the glory days and go beyond, listen to me.


 No.2894167

remember on leftypol now there are LESS MEMES. LOWER QUALITY DISCUSSION and overall LESS POSTERS.


 No.2894171

>>2894165

>Dizcord

Is cancer. If you'd prefer an alternative, there's a long history of dubtrak on /leftypol/.

>Given the fact that what the retard BO decided counted as imperialism destroyed the board before, what is and is not imperialism should be left up to the board for debate as CLEARLY the moderators and BO are completely and utterly unqualified for the task.

You will no longer be banned just for criticizing countries like Iran, North Korea, Syria or Russia. What we're focused on is left justifications for blatant anti-imperialism, i.e. parroting state department talking points to justify regime change, war, ect. We can debate and talk about these standards and decisions, we're not after people acting in good faith.


 No.2894172

>>2894167

Lets hope we can change that.


 No.2894175

File: 98894ba6ef57ac4⋯.png (1.04 MB, 811x889, 811:889, snow nigger varg.png)

>>2894166

We will never return to the state of mass banning tantrums that the now ex board owner created. Things are going to change for the better. I have been here since the board had 30 members, so I know exactly how much we've lost.


 No.2894192

>>2894187

Yeah, I'm going to ask him about this. It seems quite odd.


 No.2894193

rojava

sdf

bernie sanders


 No.2894195

>>2894193

looks like the word filters gone


 No.2894196

>>2894171

It is no less cancer than anything else

>chat logs get recorded

so what, what are you talking about that is so secret? If we were organising, sure, this is not a good place, but clearly we are not. It is an easy, accessible, regularly used and user friendly platform to facilitate left wing discussion.

Isn't this whole website spook owned anyway or something?

we aren't doing anything super sekrit

Dubtrack is also good, i also support the use of dubtrak.

>You will no longer be banned just for criticizing countries like Iran, North Korea, Syria or Russia

Will the word filter on Rojava be destroyed?

also i'm interested, im not looking to get into a discussion but generally, what are the board vols feeling about Rojava?

>>2894175

this warms my heart. Please let it be true.

Is it official then? /leftypol/ under new management? Is there a new BO? How are things going to work?


 No.2894198

>>2894196

> Will the word filter on Rojava be destroyed?

guess that answered that.

my god. A New Dawn has risen.


 No.2894203

>>2894171

It was the atmosphere that was the problem. I think this board is so important for the growth of the online left and as a wedge for the altright and frankly if people come to it through anarchism rather than marxism thats fine. Its easier to engage with them.

If people argue in bad faith let them be called out. I wish it was only blatant trolling and disruptors that got banned. Youll never get rid of the subtle trolling on chan boards and frankly engaging with them is not entirely useless since it does force us to examine ourselves.


 No.2894205

File: 4a5517aee9b86f7⋯.jpg (249.8 KB, 750x499, 750:499, jeremy-corbyn-laughing-at-….jpg)

>>2894196

Told you we'd fix it eventually.


 No.2894209

>>2894204

We forgot to discuss this at the meeting this weekend. We'll talk about it next Saturday.

>>2894196

FBI naturally creates and incestuous in group culture that creates embarrassing results for all those associated.


 No.2894210

File: 55c960ab41d7aa1⋯.png (210.65 KB, 1600x900, 16:9, dgfhf.png)

I was banned for this and my comment was deleted by BO in the "suggestions" thread.

Im thankful to BO for starting this board but this is just petty, unfunny and unproductive.


 No.2894212

>>2894203

>if people argue in bad faith let them be called out.

I fully intend to keep doing this. We're not here to try to stop sectarian trolling and shitposting, that is a major part of the board's culture.


 No.2894213

>>2894210

The old BO is gone. If you appeal the ban I will remove it.


 No.2894217

>>2894203

I think we all want a more open atmosphere. When it comes to questionable things (not pure spamming/raiding) I tend to ban people for much shorter amounts of time, and unban if they come back with something reasonable. The rules based on ideological grounds, like against nazbols or imperialism, will always be less and more lightly enforced.


 No.2894221

>>2894210

Did he delete every one of your posts? I can remove your ban if you link me to one of your posts.


 No.2894223

>>2894165

>>2894166

>>2894171

We already have our small /leftypol/ telegram that we made a few months ago

https://t.me/joinchat/Bk5Ovku2Je8JaYpigPj98w

Pls no ban


 No.2894225

>>2894201

>national soycialism

kek

>>2894209

only for people who get too into it and are already spergs anyway. For most people its just a good platform to talk shit

also here is my idea vols:

you can see which users are which I assume, posting history and such. Why not invite these anons, all who are posting in good faith and not /pol/ shills, to some kind of a general assembly so we can actually discuss how the board should be?

Why isn't the soviet board run by soviet?


 No.2894232

>>2894217

one of my most personally hated things was the anchoring and banning of /polyps/ come here in genuine curiosity. Can we be assured that this kind of thing will cease entirely?


 No.2894233

>>2894226

I personally agree with this position. I think only spamming, rule breaking and bait should be removed.


 No.2894239

>>2894225

democratic moderation would be good but i think its too hard to do on an anonymous board that free to join. Although maybe established tripfags could be elected to soviets.


 No.2894242

also i posted this in the other thread but it was anchored so I'm gonna post it here because i want all coming into this new thread to read it and i REALLY want the volunteers to read it:

Yes i am sperging: its in the mod threads and you have to understand, I'm not kidding when i say at one point this place may have in fact saved my life, which became a lot more fulfilling once i learned about communism and then went out to try and push for communism IRL

I saw this place for something actually revolutionary, I still firmly believe that. Propaganda is an extremely useful weapon, maybe the most useful, and as far as the internet goes most other outlets are absolutely shit tier, mainly because of the idpol thing and the whole culture around that, this place did not have that, and it was growing. The GOOD thing about it was that it was left wing space you could say pretty much anything without being labelled problematic and shunned, banned etc. That is what this board was built on, it was a more accessible part of the left for the great uncouth, which is most people. On top of that, it wasn't some muhh free speech liberal with burger characteristics ahaha i said nigger on the internet ahahah hellhole. It was just a place, that was actually good for discussing just about anything loosely related to the left, which is really everything.

That was the exact reason the board was good and successful, for no other reason. I feel really passionately that this place flourish, as more and more the internet becomes entrenched in mainstream life.


 No.2894243

>>2894239

yeh i wouldn't advocate democracy proper for these reasons, but if you had a constituional assembly like in Cuba once or twice would be easier to facilitate.

>tripfags

pls god no


 No.2894245

>>2894242

Now THIS is some quality cringe


 No.2894246

File: f3daa1c1d49f215⋯.png (116.98 KB, 444x440, 111:110, 1374796030634.png)

>>2894239

>established tripfags could be elected to soviets.

Do you really want people like A.W, Reddit Obesity, Afroplasm and that faggot Yuiposter to run a board?


 No.2894247

>>2894239

this would work if most people tripfagged by its only the especially autistic that do this right now


 No.2894248

>>2894245

cringe if you want, its true. You are a faggot if you think propoganda isn't important and that most left wing spaces aren't seriously effected by idpol and how important building a line that opposes that way of thinking is.


 No.2894255

>>2894250

>I wouldn't go so far as to say it saved my life but this board was/is also important to me,

I tried to kill myself. I had absolutely no friends. Mostly because I used to be a fucking asshole and also hung around with a load of assholes but also because i got fucked over in court.

Now i have commie friends and they are way, way better people than my old friends, I am no longer a retarded asshole, or i am becoming less of a retarded asshole

I would put that mostly through what i learned trying to organise. I would never have got to that stage if it weren't for this place, probably.


 No.2894259

I propose the mods and BO himself take a visit every week to /leftpol/, watch the /leftypol/ whine thread and be ashamed of what they have done.


 No.2894260

>>2894248

>muh serious bizniss

Nigger this an imageboard


 No.2894262

>>2894260

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/23/oculus-palmer-luckey-funding-trump-reddit-trolls

Some people think so to the tunes of millions of dollars.

Image boards are a part of social media. Social media is an extremely important battleground in modern day politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Dowson

"In July 2016, Dowson established the "Patriot News Agency" to help elect Donald Trump as President of the United States. Dowson described his strategy as spreading "devastating anti-Clinton, pro-Trump memes and sound bites into sections of the population too disillusioned with politics to have taken any notice of conventional campaigning."

>serious bizniss

i understand you are a little bitch hobbyist who probably hasn't worked a day in their life or paid rent. Yes it a serious business.


 No.2894271

File: e37fb5075dc85de⋯.png (34.94 KB, 1270x109, 1270:109, wordfilters.png)

>>2894201

Some words require a space for the filter to come into effect

https://8ch.net/settings.php?board=leftypol


 No.2894296

File: e6791ee1182a241⋯.png (606.45 KB, 400x594, 200:297, ClipboardImage.png)

Requesting filter Nazi/s to National Zionist/s.


 No.2894299

>>2894296

We will take this under consideration.


 No.2894304

File: 61601c8eb221d21⋯.jpg (90.81 KB, 475x475, 1:1, 1553963133808.jpg)

>write out long criticism of muh turd position

>realise thread got deleted when i tried posting

i mean fair enough but i also wasted my time


 No.2894322

File: a62926d4f7c86e1⋯.jpg (158.04 KB, 720x576, 5:4, 1557697984356.jpg)

>>2894232

I think a lot of people's problem is that they never ask anything unique, it's either open ended "why r u left" or posting the same race-realism infographs that have been debunked countless times and OP proceeds to ignore them anyways. We should have a sticky with FAQ /pol/ questions and great archived/screened answers from here and direct them to that; they'd read it if they were genuinely curious and not just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.


 No.2894325

>>2894304

My apologies. The post read like OP just wanted to own the commies and libs, not learn, ie. drive-by shitposting.

>>2894322

I agree we could beef up the FAQ with more questions.


 No.2894330

>>2894325

another thing we should bring up at the next meeting. If a thread has a certain number of genuine posts in it, even if OP is bait we shouldn't delete it.


 No.2894332

>>2894330

Also to add a note to OP saying what the thread is now for.


 No.2894334

>>2894304

Post it anyway in the trash thread


 No.2894406

File: 51446c995fa0d23⋯.png (199.06 KB, 720x1121, 720:1121, 20190517_031640.png)

File: 27ef6f876dfba77⋯.png (276.56 KB, 711x853, 711:853, 20190517_031610.png)

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2893186.html

Once a ban occurs can we do (at leasts a small paragraph) explanations of why a anon deserves a ban? Showing the banned post isnt a reason. Giving more the one word responses would ACTUALLY help posters make better content!


 No.2894408

Mods i know we have beef but please i do enjoy this board and am trying to help


 No.2894452

>>2894406

Are you joking? That poster clearly isn't interested in making quality posts. Shitposters don't deserve ban "explanations"


 No.2894527

Proposal

filter "Gusano" to "Gusanx"


 No.2894532

>>2894452

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2892156.html

How about you find the context before you claim something! Also if you think my thread about how reactionarys literally do use judei-bolshevism against us, is a shit post you can fuck right off!!!


 No.2894602

>>2894232

Fuck off, /pol/. Your threads aren’t wanted here


 No.2894673

>>2894406

how about some transparency, like they have to screenshot every ban and keep it in a pinned thread


 No.2894674

>>2894602

i have almost certainly been here longer than you


 No.2894724

>>2894674

Yeah ive been on here for a year, your from the silent generation laughable!!!!

Those two pics are from the message I got,for trying to make another post and getting banned. Thats what I wanted to talk about, what is the problem in that? Im legitimately a advocate of libertarian (it has many meanings over time I suggest understanding its origins) state socialism. I believe a state can be small( the amount of coercion of the populace is minimal) yet in coordination with union bodies of workers run production. I dont mean the way unions are now(colluders with the capitalist class)I used the term union as a way to relate the unification of the collective expression, on the creation of goods and services.

Anons im not your enemy can we welcome a newfag?


 No.2894728

>>2894724

jesus christ can you please start typing like you don't have brain damage


 No.2894732

>>2894728

Thats you what I wrote isnt hard to understand! ()←- is me putting a idea in a idea a specification on the clarification the inner point on my broder array.


 No.2894774

File: 4029d5e1d0dd44f⋯.jpg (61.18 KB, 680x700, 34:35, janitor.jpg)

Consistent, light moderation is vastly preferable to sporadic heavy handed moderation. This is the number one issue with the previous board owner.

creating internal moderation guidelines for volunteers should be the number one goal of the new administration


 No.2895107

>>2894774

I disagree. Sporadic mass banning keeps posters in fear much like the panopticon or purges, which is a good thing that keeps bad faith posters out.

Intermittent reinforcement works better than continuous reinforcement at promoting behavior and minimizing behavior extinction.


 No.2895126

>>2895107

how on earth does randomly banning long time posters keep out bad faith polyps? They wont be around to see the random bans. You are a fucking little retard


 No.2895197

Just added some new flags. My question is if there are any which could go? I don't see the purpose of the Direct X or Egalitarian flag.

>>2894165

Beyond datamining, dizcord culture is cancer and we don't need that shit here. /leftytrash/ is bad enough as it is. Raids cause repercussions and thus I do not allow using this place for them.

>>2894187

Call me an SJW or whatever but we really shouldn't enable this new wave of socialists who think that rejecting liberal identity politics means you can blend reactionary takes with socialism. We're not having 5 daily threads about how feminism is the most important thing in the world and socialism is just a supplement to it but we shouldn't allow anti-feminism and such either.

>>2894201

I wish there was a way to randomize the filter so it'd become either not socialism, national soycialism or national capitalism.

>>2894239

>tripfag soviets

lmao

>>2894259

Seeing what kind of people complain there makes me proud actually. It really is a whine thread. Why should I care about people getting banned for being nazbols or parroting state department propaganda?

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 No.2895203

File: d4effd010590f3a⋯.jpg (219.47 KB, 652x367, 652:367, ef2ae54e4f9d663dedb0eaaec7….jpg)

File: 6341ab5ec564804⋯.png (47.52 KB, 263x251, 263:251, 68f.png)

>>2895197

Please not Direct X boss, it's one of the best memes


 No.2895209

>>2895197

>I wish there was a way to randomize the filter so it'd become either not socialism, national soycialism or national capitalism.

If you automate the filter change with a script using a short enough timer to loop through the three at an interval of like five seconds it will effectively be the same thing


 No.2895270

>>2895126

>randomly banning long time posters

Why bother replying if you're going to reply to what's in your head instead of what I've posted?


 No.2895367

>>2895197

get rid of Egalitarian and Euphoric since no one uses them.


 No.2895423

>>2895197

>Call me an SJW or whatever but we really shouldn't enable this new wave of socialists who think that rejecting liberal identity politics means you can blend reactionary takes with socialism

antifeminism isn't inherently reactionary

>Just added some new flags.

Add nazbol flag


 No.2895434

>>2895240

You can critique corporate feminism all you like, but socialist feminism still has a place. Especially when you consider how your idea of "modern feminism" is mainstream feminism in the most developed capitalist countries where roughly 10% of the world's population lives. Everywhere else there's still a lot to gain for feminism. So no, I won't allow antifeminism here - haven't you noticed by now how reactionary capitalism and antifeminism go hand in hand?

>>2895241

/leftpol/ is dead, and the filters and bans on discussing Rojava have been lifted.

>>2895423

Antifeminism is reactionary, and I'm not adding a Nazbol flag.


 No.2895439

File: 23c579aea62e798⋯.png (35.17 KB, 499x426, 499:426, feminism_nukes.png)

File: d65c75b51b49305⋯.png (10.17 KB, 935x138, 935:138, terf1.PNG)

File: f937d20fcdd17d4⋯.jpg (559.8 KB, 1199x1812, 1199:1812, Rosa_-_Bourgeois_women.jpg)

>>2895434

>corporate feminism

<muh crony capitalism

<real feminism hasn't been tried

The "gender critical", which is just cryptopfeminism, thread has feminists advocating segregation, telling men to “build their own homeless shelters”, biological essentialism and pure idealism. They are liberals though and through no matter in how much marxist terminology they clad their bourgeois ideology.

>haven't you noticed by now how neoliberal capitalism and feminism go hand in hand?

fixed


 No.2895442

>>2895439

You DO realize Rosa Luxemburg was still a feminist, right? Are you also going to post an MLK quote and explain how socialists shouldn't be concerned about racism?

>real feminism hasn't been tried

There are tendencies in feminism which more often than not have a material basis. Do you think feminism in Argentina or Egypt is obsolete?


 No.2895449

>>2895197

dare not touch directx, you opengl faggot


 No.2895465

File: 9834421a603c748⋯.png (291.88 KB, 400x400, 1:1, good morning engels.png)

DEFEND DIRECT X

DEFEND DIRECT X

DEFEND DIRECT X


 No.2895481

File: 1c8ac222364550e⋯.png (363.06 KB, 540x286, 270:143, 1509558733675.png)

>>2895434

>I'm not adding a Nazbol flag.


 No.2895619

>>2895107

>Intermittent reinforcement works better than continuous reinforcement at promoting behavior and minimizing behavior extinction.

huge ban waves every 6 weeks doesn't make much sense when the lifespan of the average user here is probably only several months


 No.2895621

>>2895434

add a nazbol option but make it display a poop emoji


 No.2895626

File: a90fba801a2e885⋯.png (9.45 KB, 255x143, 255:143, ba9cd1bd0423a5be39a0c14a64….png)

>>2895591

>being this spooked about a vagina

Kys faggot

Side note/generally inqury: I noticed that anchored threads under old BO/mod team were left up as what I could only imagine was a demonstration of anti-raiding or filtering out low quality threads. Will there be a different approach? Does this even matter no

Eureka Stockdale flag when?

also bring back autism level word filter, it defo reveals pol/yps high autism and newfaggotry


 No.2895668

>>2895434

>radlib BO

Just when I thought things couldn’t get worse


 No.2895732

>>2895668

>believing in women's rights = radlib


 No.2895747

>>2895668

TIL lenin and mao both radlibs


 No.2895749

>>2895732

Believing in rights is the basic definition of liberal.


 No.2895750

File: 0eca23ba98e8ab1⋯.png (362.62 KB, 468x269, 468:269, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2895197

>Call me an SJW or whatever but we really shouldn't enable this new wave of socialists who think that rejecting liberal identity politics means you can blend reactionary takes with socialism.

That's mostly a boogeyman. And having a couple nazbols around has been useful in converting /pol/yps by giving them a stepping stone. You're not going to fix someone's whole ideology at once. If you can get people to understand class struggle it's a lot easier to get them to understand why racism is stupid. The reverse is not even remotely true. Just look at how many lefties are former lolberts vs how many are former democrat-style liberals. Proximity on the political spectrum is not an indicator of conversion potential.

>>2895197

>We're not having 5 daily threads about how feminism is the most important thing in the world and socialism is just a supplement to it but we shouldn't allow anti-feminism and such either.

>>2895434

>You can critique corporate feminism all you like, but socialist feminism still has a place. Especially when you consider how your idea of "modern feminism" is mainstream feminism in the most developed capitalist countries where roughly 10% of the world's population lives. Everywhere else there's still a lot to gain for feminism. So no, I won't allow antifeminism here

That's not very dialectical. Feminism has plenty of internal problems to be resolved. No ideology should be beyond question, particularly on a supposedly broad-based discussion board. And why are draw equivalence between "You can critique X" and "X doesn't have a place"? A topic can both have a place here and be open to critique.

>haven't you noticed by now how reactionary capitalism and antifeminism go hand in hand?

Where are the proofs billy? There's a pretty profound difference between "ree womyn bad" and "feminist theory has flaws" that you seem to be glossing over to be convenient. Feminism by and large has actually been pretty beneficial to capitalism - women joining the workforce has increased the labor supply and the demand for work-essential commodities like cars. That's not to say that this was a bad development, but that things are complicated and need to be seriously discussed rather than painted over with broad strokes.


 No.2895751

>>2895668

>having a material analysis of women's issues is radlib

khalas


 No.2895760

>>2895751

Not allowing critique of your material analysis is dogmatic, which is pretty radlib. How the fuck are you supposed to develop a good analysis of gender politics if nobody is allowed to critique what exists and make it better? Per BO: >>2895434

>You can critique corporate feminism all you like, but socialist feminism still has a place.

>So no, I won't allow antifeminism here

Apparently whatever version of feminism BO supports (and who knows exactly what that is?) is the final word on gender politics?

>>2895749

This is true.

>>2895442

>You DO realize Rosa Luxemburg was still a feminist, right?

What makes someone a feminist or not, and why is feminism the only legitimate position/theory/take for gender politics?

>There are tendencies in feminism which more often than not have a material basis.

Right, so you acknowledge that feminism means different things so why insist on it without being clear what you mean? There are MRA critiques that are based on materialism too. Having a materialist basis doesn't render a critique bulletproof, and it especially doesn't make a particular feminist critique a good one, much less the best we can do.

>Do you think feminism in Argentina or Egypt is obsolete?

If I'm being honest I think that's a chauvinist if not outright white supremacist question to ask when you could have picked places like Alabama or parts of eastern Europe. To the point though, I don't think it's "obsolete." I think it's incomplete and needs a shitload of work because feminism hasn't been as successful as gender-based liberation movements could be. Even in the west where feminism is "obsolete" you still routinely find feminists reinforcing gender roles and stereotypes under the guise of "equality" or some bullshit. That's evidence of deeper problems with the ideology that call out to be critiqued and discussed openly and thoroughly.


 No.2895783

>>2894239

Democratic in what sense? Elections are a horrible idea and will lead to a tripfag popularity contest, and implementing democratic functionality will likely require using a system outside of 8chan.

It would be chaotic, but a good solution can be randomly selecting moderators from a pool of volunteers, and giving anons the ability to periodically vote on removing the moderators they don't like. The BO's main purpose would be to purge the inevitable Hoochie 2.0 and that's it. This will probably require user accounts though it should be fairly simple to enforce poster anonymity or allow unregistered users to post.


 No.2895830

>>2895760

feminism is necessary for communism. Sure, i suppose you could have world without commodity production in which women were subjugated still, possibly. In this world however, repression of women is extremely intertwined with class oppression and pretty much every major theoretical and historical Marxist or anarchist thinks this. What you forget is that unpaid female labour is an enormous part of the economy. Socially necessary labour i.e. literal labour, child birth, raising of children, which predominantly still falls mostly on women particularly outside of europe/america but even then within is still a massively gendered thing, for obvious reasons, men can't give birth. This work is fundamental in reproducing the capitalist economy. If it is fundamental to the capitalist economy, then it should be revolutionised.

Still wouldn't ban anti-feminism unless its shit like "women should be raped/men should assign women to incels" level of shit


 No.2895838

So who is the new board owner?


 No.2895842

>>2895197

> dizcord culture is cancer

he says on 8chan

> Raids

are fun and spread propoganda and the worst possible conseqence is having to read some shitposts.

also national soycialism is that best


 No.2895845

>>2895838

yeh tell us about yourself and your intentions in full


 No.2895850

Can you add the ML flag that /leftpol/ has? The flag of the Russian SSR? I thought it looked cool.


 No.2895857

File: 25ece2fb253fc4e⋯.webm (11.95 MB, 711x400, 711:400, discord.webm)

>maoist

you have to go back


 No.2895859

>>2895830

>feminism is necessary for communism. Sure, i suppose you could have world without commodity production in which women were subjugated still, possibly

That's not my point at all. I'm contesting that feminism has the sole claim to liberating women (or people in general) from gender roles.

>In this world however, repression of women is extremely intertwined with class oppression and pretty much every major theoretical and historical Marxist or anarchist thinks this.

I don't disagree even slightly with this. I would simply add that women are not the only people who are repressed on the basis of gender, and feminism by and large has been at best unhelpful but usually actively hostile toward attempts to address the ways that men are repressed as men or that gender non-conforming people are represses on that basis.

>What you forget is that unpaid female labour is an enormous part of the economy.

I did not forget that. My position is that "feminism" has an inconsistent definition that can alternate between encompassing any attempt to redress gender issues and whatever specific female-centric take is being advanced according to convenience.

>Socially necessary labour i.e. literal labour, child birth, raising of children, which predominantly still falls mostly on women particularly outside of europe/america but even then within is still a massively gendered thing, for obvious reasons, men can't give birth. This work is fundamental in reproducing the capitalist economy. If it is fundamental to the capitalist economy, then it should be revolutionised.

I don't disagree with that. My position is that these issues do not exist in a vacuum, but a totalizing system of gender roles and ideology that affects everyone (albeit differently), and that for instance women's issues particularly are bound up with men's issues and one cannot be solved without the other. Feminism can help liberate women, but only up to the point where it runs into contradictions. For example, you can't share the burden of "women's work" like raising children unless you expand men's gender roles to allow them to do that. Gender roles as they are constructed are inherently binary, with corresponding complementary responsibilities and restrictions.

They're a single system and the notion that men are simply a "default" or "normal" person and women an abberant subordinate one is simply ideology. Women may be told to obey their husbands, but similarly men are told to do wage labor to support the family. You can't have one role without the other, same way you can't have proletarian or capitalist without the other, since they're defined by their relationship to each other. My issue with feminism is that in being so focused on women it misses the bigger picture here, and it's at the point now that libfems have had to start resorting to saying things like "patriarchy hurts men too" to try to salvage the ideology from these kinds of critiques.

>Still wouldn't ban anti-feminism unless its shit like "women should be raped/men should assign women to incels" level of shit

That's not "anti-feminism." That's just bigotry.


 No.2895863

>>2895442

I am not anti feminist but I think that banning them will make us r/socialism 2.0


 No.2895981

File: eb68074fcef4a8a⋯.png (181.15 KB, 474x548, 237:274, 1557171277639.png)

>>2895749

so communists are liberals because they believe in the material rights of the working class


 No.2895995

>>2895981

>material rights

What is this nonsensical term supposed to mean?


 No.2895999

File: baebec24decbc68⋯.jpg (24.11 KB, 390x310, 39:31, saint max.jpg)

>>2895981

>material rights

>material

>rights

That's not how this works. Rights are just an idea about what da gubmint isn't supposed to do to you. They're not material in any sense, and wholly insufficient as a basis for liberation of the working people from capitalism. Bourgeois right exists to serve capitalism and focuses primarily on property ownership rather than the material concerns of a living human being. Rather than concerning yourself with abstractions like rights, be concerned with the material needs of people and the degree of fulfillment of those needs and the degree of self-determination people have.

In a Full Communist society (stateless, moneyless, classless) rights as a concept would be obsolete given the lack of a political power that could oppress you.


 No.2896018

>>2895830

>feminism is necessary for communism.

No, communism is necessary for the achievement of all of the reasonable goals that feminists have ever aimed for. Feminism at its most sensible is merely redundant to communism.

>What you forget is that unpaid female labour is an enormous part of the economy.

This isn't the 19th century anymore, Freddy. Domestic labor is no more gendered than wage labor is now. Inb4 wage gap.

>Socially necessary labour i.e. literal labour, child birth, raising of children, which predominantly still falls mostly on women

Mothers volunteer for it. Unlike so many other forms of labor, child-rearing is not necessary or even beneficial to an individual in a post-agrarian society. Inb4 rape babies and anti-abortion laws.

>If it is fundamental to the capitalist economy, then it should be revolutionised.

It cannot help but be so in the face of a sea change in the mode of production.


 No.2896023

>>2895863

I would not go that far, but I would say that it is the functional equivalent of banning all criticism of supposed "anti-imperialist" state actors.


 No.2896058

>>2896018

Disclaimer: I'm extremely critical of feminism too, arguably anti-feminism. I just think your arguments need work.

>This isn't the 19th century anymore, Freddy. Domestic labor is no more gendered than wage labor is now. Inb4 wage gap.

This is wrong, not by legality but certainly by cultural trends. In the west. In other parts of the world this is still the case. The wage gap is bullshit, but earnings gaps are an issue related directly to capitalism since lower paying jobs with a strong gender correlation are often much more exploitative in this context. That is a problem for communism to fix though. I also want to highlight here that the wage gap argument when put into a materialist context actually supports the idea that men are economically exploited by women because although men earn more income on average, women spend more money as consumers (meaning the wealth and economic power is effective transferring in that direction). Obviously it's a bit more complex and you should think about the implications because there's a much better argument here that you're missing out on.

>Mothers volunteer for it. Unlike so many other forms of labor, child-rearing is not necessary or even beneficial to an individual in a post-agrarian society.

It's actually directly harmful in the modern world, both in terms of economic opportunity cost and in terms of health from lost sleep. 1-2 people is not enough to raise a baby. It literally takes a village.

>>If it is fundamental to the capitalist economy, then it should be revolutionised.

>It cannot help but be so in the face of a sea change in the mode of production.

This is true, but the claim you're responding to isn't even right. Women entering the workforce happened under capitalism, and there's no reason to think that reproductive labor being split evenly is somehow going to threaten capitalism.


 No.2896110

>>2896058

>This is wrong, not by legality but certainly by cultural trends

Neither culture nor its effects are ever so clear-cut. In two-income homes, even if there were some significant extra-economic cultural pressure to adhere to a gendered division of domestic labor, the practical reality of economic necessity precludes such an arrangement. Of course, in single-parent homes no such division can possibly exist. That is what the new cultural division of labor looks like as the nuclear family fades into the history books.

>I also want to highlight here that the wage gap argument when put into a materialist context actually supports the idea that men are economically exploited by women because although men earn more income on average, women spend more money as consumers (meaning the wealth and economic power is effective transferring in that direction).

As good a gotcha as that is when arguing with feminists, I question the analytical reasoning for dividing what is in essence a single economic unit into its component individuals. If we take as given that women spend more than men do, the question becomes whether or not what they buy is beneficial to both them and their partners. Income and consumption reflect one another too closely to separate them, I think.

>It's actually directly harmful in the modern world, both in terms of economic opportunity cost and in terms of health from lost sleep.

Exactly. Capitalism can only discourage a thing that is necessary for its maintenance. How's that for a contradiction?

>there's no reason to think that reproductive labor being split evenly is somehow going to threaten capitalism.

I don't think that was his claim. What he was saying is that, as a function of the current mode of production, the division of domestic labor must be destroyed and then recreated. My point was that there is no need to actively strive for this outcome, as it cannot help but be fundamentally reordered by a qualitative change in the mode of production.


 No.2896165

Reason?

>>2895065


 No.2896241

Is a thread self editing option beyond your guys control? Am i not seeing it, If so were do I ask! Yes i know im a retard no help me out


 No.2896246

Is there a way to push your threads without being a obnoxious cunt on other threads? I have the desire but can see how thatd be Spamy and self-promotionalist.


 No.2896258

>>2896246

not writing your threads!!! like a fucking!!! retard goes a long way in making people want to reply to you!!!


 No.2896401

>>2896165

Use the OC thread.

>>2896246

Stop schizoposting.


 No.2896530

>>2896110

>Neither culture nor its effects are ever so clear-cut…

>That is what the new cultural division of labor looks like as the nuclear family fades into the history books.

Well sure, but it's not completely faded. It's a lot like "patriarchy." The actual system can be dead but there are still cultural artifacts that people haven't gotten over yet. It's a mistake to identify these as the original system of power that needs to be overcome rather than cultural mores that should shift.

>As good a gotcha as that is when arguing with feminists, I question the analytical reasoning for dividing what is in essence a single economic unit into its component individuals.

I very much agree, and that's part of the point about there being a better argument here. A common thing in even Marxist feminism is to do a piecemeal analysis where the role of the man as wage laborer gets ignored so he can be described as the equivalent of a feudal lord, who provides nothing to the household and only takes. It's a mistake to fall into the same trap, but a counterpoint like this one can be good to shake people up enough to open the door to a broader analysis. Sometimes it's wise to tactically deploy an argument to open people up to a better one.

>Capitalism can only discourage a thing that is necessary for its maintenance. How's that for a contradiction?

Par for the course really.

>>there's no reason to think that reproductive labor being split evenly is somehow going to threaten capitalism.

>I don't think that was his claim. What he was saying is that, as a function of the current mode of production, the division of domestic labor must be destroyed and then recreated. My point was that there is no need to actively strive for this outcome, as it cannot help but be fundamentally reordered by a qualitative change in the mode of production.

I know. I was aiming to point out that the whole "we need to smash patriarchy to smash capitalism" (commonly used to justify a focus on feminism) doesn't follow at all. Given the simplistic takes posted elsewhere ITT about the subject I thought it was a relevant counterpoint to bring up here. And yes, if anything it is the other way around as far as the structure of the economy shaping gender roles.


 No.2896709

>>2896401

We dont want your kind here!


 No.2896716

>>2896401

Can you be a schizophrenic and post here yes or no? Ill work on grammar really(I had the entirety of my childhood under neurotoxins that were in my abusive homes environment) this means that as anon goes throu literal brain damage he had no control over as a kid. So let me get this right because of all this i shouldnt post?


 No.2896770

>>2896716

No, this is an ablist board.


 No.2896775

File: bb1bfb796ef4dba⋯.png (12.75 KB, 150x255, 10:17, 625c8d3d5aebf989caa4ae9fcc….png)

>>2896770

Well thats to bad im not going anywhere poor anons will have to deal with me


 No.2896901

>>2896770

>claims this board is ableist for not letting retard schizos post without being banned

>can't spell

Who banned you?


 No.2896962

>>2896901

Get out, anti-ableist scum.


 No.2896963

>>2896901

Mods awhile ago pics are on the thread

>>2894406


 No.2896989

>>2896716

Posting shit that has no material basis (idealism, schizoposting, race realism, etc) is a bannable offense. being schizoid in itself is not.

>>2896770

choosing to be retarded is also a bannable offense.


 No.2897002

File: 64843d9e4b4f475⋯.jpg (1.24 MB, 929x1162, 929:1162, MRFRCrant.jpg)

>>2896989

Hold up. Banning idealism outright would do a number on any philosophical discussion that we might have. Also, decposting is an exception to the prohibition on schizoposting, right?


 No.2897032

>>2897002

>decposting

what the fuck am I seeing.

It's not plainly idealism, it's more liberal ideology and ideology derived from idealism (especially if it goes counter to (marxist) materialist philosophy).


 No.2897047

>>2897032

I don't think that the remote electronically controlled around-corners trajection of deadly touch tarantula spiders can be reduced to liberal idealism.


 No.2897291

>>2896989

>can't post idealism

for real no discuss of utopian socialists and anarchists you mad bruv?


 No.2897609

>>2895197

>>2895434

/leftypol/ is actually finished. The one leftist space on the internet that wasn't supposed to succumb to the insanity of modern liberalism has now fallen. I wonder what this says about the future of the left as a whole. Nothing too good I'd say. Pushing people into the arms of fascism isn't usually a winning strategy, but who knows maybe this time it'll work out for you guys.


 No.2897643

File: a5ee938db8e5be7⋯.png (20.5 KB, 1773x257, 1773:257, snap.png)

>>2897609

Really made me think.


 No.2897663

>>2897643

>we will defend women's rights by opening our borders, allowing in foreign hordes who dont believe women should have any rights

This is the state of modern leftism.


 No.2897666

>>2897663

>muh brown hordes

>accusing an Other of being guilty of the same shit you are (anti-feminism)

You really are being a smooth brained cuck right now. You have to go back to the PragerU comments section.


 No.2897667

>>2897663

Crypto-racist or /pol/yp, can’t tell which. Either way, fuck off back to >>>/fascist/ or >>>/pol/ retard


 No.2897669

>>2897643

Personally I'd open all borders today if I could, but it's disingenuous to suggest there's no left-wing argument for border control. I think it's not a particularly good argument, but it does correctly point out that immigration has an important connection to labor relations i.e. swelling the labor supply and possibly scabbing. The right answer is of course the labor movement welcoming immigrants into its ranks rather than calling to keep them out. It's a flawed argument (for lack of imagination) but it doesn't make someone a right-winger.

This post strikes me as an attempt to conflate any disagreement with moderation as crypto-reactionary, and these >>2897609 posts >>2897663 strike me as a transparent false flag meant expressly for this purpose. "Foreign hordes" is too on the nose to be convincing as a real example of a crypto-reactionary with the mask slipping. The timing is also very convenient, as it is whenever posts like this start appearing here or on /leftpol/ just when someone concern trolls about crypto reactionaries.


 No.2897671

>>2897663

caring about rights is liberal and undialectical


 No.2897675

>>2894175

So are you going to ever remove the old permabans?


 No.2897713

File: d79fbe2b7c157a3⋯.jpg (471.9 KB, 1769x692, 1769:692, tard.jpg)

>>2897669

I don't mean to gaslight but I really think it's strange of you to insist it has to be a false flag. There really is the absurd tendency of "leftists need to be openly reactionary to not fall victim to liberal identity politics" on this board. It's not significant, I'm actually more worried about potential future influx from /pol/ or stupidpol redditors. Here's the full post history if that will change your mind.


 No.2897718

>>2897669

>>2897713

And another thing - the way you pose the dilemma of migration under capitalism is not from the perspective of a socialist but from a social democrat seeking to manage capitalism. It's a moot question. Migration just happens for whatever reason and then there's a tug of war within capitalism between more reactionary capitalists and more liberal capitalists but it simply is not our fight.


 No.2897721

>>2897713

>revealing post histories

scumbag moderation


 No.2897734

>>2897721

I don't see the problem with putting someone on blast when 1. they claim /leftypol/ is finished and 2. I get accused of orchestrating false flags. >>2897669 has a point though about using these sore losers to dismiss any criticism of moderation. I'll bring up the idpol question at the next vol talk but once again I would like to repeat: a rejection of liberal identity politics from a communist perspective does NOT mean enabling reactionary identity politics instead.


 No.2897753

>>2897713

>I really think it's strange of you to insist it has to be a false flag.

Telling someone their suspicions are unfounded isn't what gaslighting is, and I'm not insisting that it's a false flag. I'm saying that the appearance is suspicious and I've seen a pattern here. The more this kind of thing happens the less plausible deniability there is.

>There really is the absurd tendency of "leftists need to be openly reactionary to not fall victim to liberal identity politics" on this board.

Has it occurred to you that a lot of people who are left wing used to be right wing (and that's only going to increase if the left is to grow in the future), and they may not have encountered the left-wing solution to problems? A reactionary may correctly recognize that the liberal "answer" is unsatisfactory and default to the position they know. It's our job as socialists to introduce these people to an actual solution to the problem rather than write them off as a lost cause. The expansion of the left is going to be messy and is going to involve talking to people with odious ideas. It's not going to happen by leftists being born while rightists die off; people have to convert (and they have a propensity to do so when left wingers actually engage with them).

>I'm actually more worried about potential future influx from /pol/ or stupidpol redditors.

/pol/ has had plenty of opportunity to come here, and when they do we tend to take apart their ideas and probably get some converts if the "I used to be a /pol/yp" threads were anything to go by. What's your objection to stupidpol redditors (as opposed to redditors in general)?

>>2897718

>the way you pose the dilemma of migration under capitalism is not from the perspective of a socialist but from a social democrat seeking to manage capitalism.

Well the context where borders are in question is within global capitalism, and that's our context, so it makes sense to have a position on what to do as a matter of pragmatism prior to socialism, and open borders (free movement of labor) would help us. It's the same sort of thing as calling for the abolition of ICE or police. Obviously those are a given in socialism, but there are policies in place that could possibly be changed on the way there. I'm not here to fight for social democracy, but I won't try to stop it from making things suck less right now. There's also a history of socialist states having border control policies; this isn't just about refugees moving into the West.

The bigger issue is that the source of the migrants are countries ravaged by imperialism and if you want to make a point in the current political milieu you're probably better off judo-flipping reactionaries' position on immigration into anti-imperialism and broader geopolitical consciousness. That right there is a good foundation for building class consciousness and a critique of capitalism to bring right wingers into the left.


 No.2897759

>>2897721

Yeah, this too. The first one raised an eyebrow. Doing it multiple times in quick succession doesn't bode well. BTW, that guy's posts aren't even particularly bad. The shit about the "modern left" is an on-point criticism of "the left" at large, which is predominantly neoliberals who self-identify as left wingers and whom most people also identify as left. One thing right-wingers can pretty reliably do well is criticize "left" liberals, which is by design. Liberal ideology is shitty on purpose. It's meant to win over minorities by being the "good cop" to the conservatives' "bad cop," but also the loony bin to repel the people who are well off enough that "vote for the lesser evil" threats wouldn't work on them and they can afford to be concerned about optimizing their nest egg and other bullshit.

>>2897734

>I don't see the problem with putting someone on blast

There are all sorts of situations where it could be abused and it sets a bad precedent. If it's known as a potential mod action then a malicious actor might try to coax it out. Shit, if the reasons below are all it took, /pol/ can probably come up with a way to bait that response.

>when 1. they claim /leftypol/ is finished

Shit-talking the board is a pretty minor "infraction."

>and 2. I get accused of orchestrating false flags.

Not seeing how it's an appropriate response to that. It's not that hard to have someone else make posts, to use a proxy, or post from your phone using mobile data. Not that I'm saying it's necessarily a false flag.

>a rejection of liberal identity politics from a communist perspective does NOT mean enabling reactionary identity politics instead.

This is true, and we should bear that in mind as we try to build the left by welcoming people in from the right by de-spooking them of their dumb ideas instead of cringing and turning away, leaving them as easy recruits by the far right, who right now are pretty much the only people who will talk to them. The whole "alt-right pipeline" thing doesn't only make a person more open to far-right ideas. It makes their positions more offensive and intolerable to the people who might otherwise engage with them and pull them left. "Their politics are odious" does not equal "they are a lost cause." Many if not most of these people have literally never heard an actual left-wing argument before because their echo chamber portrays the most sophomoric liberal idpol as Marxism(TM).


 No.2897778

>>2897734

Nigger just do your job and stop acting like an overlord


 No.2897824

>>2897734

i thought posting histories was against the site rurus


 No.2897848

I'm more bothered that only excerpts of my history were shared, just post the whole thing. I'd actually be curious to see it myself.


 No.2898405

>>2897904

>Run of the mill anti-feminism is not inherently reactionary

Wrong.


 No.2898679

File: 24bb8f7acdd6fb1⋯.jpg (37.45 KB, 750x595, 150:119, 24bb8f7acdd6fb1d3439ee5796….jpg)

I want the old BO back


 No.2898696

>>2898679

Inb4 this becomes the new "Bring Back Snacks."


 No.2899021

heh


 No.2899038

Are we being raided by /pol/ again, because the absolute complete lack of quality on these abortion arguments makes me feel like we are.


 No.2899121

Are we being raided by anarkiddies again, because the absolute complete lack of quality on these abortion arguments makes me feel like we are.


 No.2899312

>>2899121

there's been a recent influx of reactionaries. starting with the gender critical thread.

we should strictly enforce Nazi flags for /pol/ and a enforce a new reddit flag for retards. maybe a reactionary socialist flag as well?


 No.2899324

>>2899312

Ban-on-sight for everybody arguing in bad faith. I don't understand how this is not a rule yet while arguing against climate change is impermissible.


 No.2899338

>>2898405

Run of the mill anti-feminism for the most part is basic bitch opposition to liberal/corporate feminism which is trash. It tends to catch marxist/radical feminism in a dragnet (by virtue of not being aware of it) but that doesn't mean it's opposed to women's liberation or reactionary in general, since that's not what it's a response to.


 No.2899341

Unlock anti-American threads >>2899069


 No.2899346

>>2899341

It's not locked. It's anchored. You can still post there and it can be un-anchored if the conversation becomes worthwhile.


 No.2899353

Unanchor anti-American threads >>2899069


 No.2899448

Un-anchor the anarchist thread, there's a discussion going on there.


 No.2899644

Stop anchoring threads, this is actually a valuable topic >>2899620


 No.2899682

>>2899644

>>2899448

>>2899353

>>2899341

Stop making shit threads.


 No.2899818

The moderation here doesn't seem that bad. I mean I had to switch proxies about five times because your trigger happy mods have permabanned them all but that's the be expected.

It's pretty convenient how it works here. Anchored threads = funny. Other threads = boring. Whoever runs this place is a complete fucking retard but that's helpful. You can tell the good threads by the one's that are silenced.


 No.2899955

>>2899818

Imagine hating actual discussion


 No.2899990

>>2899682

🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Threads with quality discussion that started as a shitpost🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

✓✓✓Endless threads about abortion and transpeople that are just people shouting at each other✓✓✓


 No.2900003

>>2899955

>muh discussion

Back to reddit


 No.2900066

So why not anchor the abortion thread


 No.2900079

STOP

BANNING

ME

FOR

SHITTING

ON

CHETNIKS

AND

MILOSEVIC

it's not antiimperialist, it's fucking retarded


 No.2900084

>>2900042

Seconded


 No.2900160

>>2900042

Having a womb is not the same as playing with pronouns :/


 No.2900167

New rules have been posted in OP. For comparison, here are old rules: https://pastebin.com/DbPh6GLd


 No.2900174

>>2900079

appeal the ban


 No.2900176

Deport /leftytrash/ to /leftyb/


 No.2900180

We have 2 India threads right now that are basically the same, I feel that there should probably be a general thread for it

>>2900176

Don't


 No.2900250

>>2899735

does post related count as "-incite specific acts of terrorism or similar acts (use your head, don't act like a fed)"? Even if it's a shitpost, 8ch gets media attention because of /pol/ fuckheads shooting up black people and muslims. We don't need to give them extra ammunition against us.


 No.2900275

>>2897675

So I guess I should take the silence as a no then?


 No.2900296

>>2900288

Language was changed to make the rule far less restrictive. You will not be banned for critiquing Assad or Maduro or supporting rojava. Now it's for much more obvious cases, such as supporting US regime change efforts.


 No.2900297


 No.2900298

>>2900275

Not logistically possible unfortunately.


 No.2900328

>>2900308

You will not be banned for supporting Rojava


 No.2900409

File: fde5a817e3b7542⋯.jpg (83.01 KB, 744x744, 1:1, kim jong un rifle.jpg)

Why is >>2265496 uncycled?


 No.2900412

>>2900409

Also >>2738556 and >>2879145


 No.2900511

>>2900409

>>2900412

We've decided to limit the number of cyclical threads. If you want the generals to continue you'll need to start new threads when you hit bump limit.


 No.2900574

Please unlock this thread. Good opportunity to talk about Deng Xiaoping Theory

>>2900512


 No.2900584

>>2900574

It's not locked, its anchored, you can still post if you want.


 No.2900627

>>2894259

/leftpol/ is worse than /pol/ and r/socialism/ combined. Most likely because it is a refugee center for the worst people from /leftypol/.


 No.2900938

why is >>2900836 anchored?


 No.2900943

Why are these >>2900463 >>2900469 achorned?


 No.2901404

Who the fuck is paying these shills to rehabilitate american presidents?


 No.2901459

>>2901404

Perhaps it is a novel trolling tactic. Anyway, we're cool with Lincoln, right?


 No.2901489

>>2901404

It's the /leftpol/ menace. Ever since tranny BO resigned, they've been flooding leftypol with shit.


 No.2901558

>>2901459

Lincoln was a racist, fuck him.


 No.2901582

>>2901558

Who cares so long as he was instrumental in eliminating the slaver class?

>>2901489

I don't buy the idea that a bunch of anarchists and bookchin faggots are shilling American politicians.


 No.2901642

>>2901489

>>2901404

>Who the fuck is paying these shills to rehabilitate american presidents?

>It's the /leftpol/ menace.

It's way more likely to be redditors who became "left wing" a month ago and still believe in American ExceptionalismTM.


 No.2901646

>>2901582

Lincoln was a bourgeois white supremacist, back to >>>/fascist/


 No.2901702

Hey BO, are you an anarchist? Don't ban me if this is of topic, please.


 No.2901795

>>2901702

Not really, no. I used to post with the ancom flag and still do so out of habit, and irl I associate with anarchists cause they're active where I live. This is not an anarchist board and moderation isn't changing to an anarchist line.


 No.2901834

Mods, keep an eye on the german thread. We have a self declared "pro-israel Nazbol" there…


 No.2901849

So literal Zionism is ok now?


 No.2901929

>>2901646

Marx himself called Lincoln "the single-minded son of the working class."

>>2901849

No, fuck off.


 No.2901970

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>>2901795

Ah thanks. Folks around said that you are an anarchist. Hey, promise me you keep the board quality up, okay? I'm getting a bit nervous (not that I'm proud of my post history) about recent flooding of /pol/yps. I have my faith in you. Cheers lad.


 No.2902059

File: 4e5390172ac1a14⋯.png (63.9 KB, 267x150, 89:50, e13f19ff820caadd19edf97630….png)

Consider making cyclical: >>2901606


 No.2902120

File: 705dd109845a774⋯.png (7.33 KB, 258x85, 258:85, 1.png)

had a laff, dear new BO


 No.2902248

>>2901929

Doesn’t change the fact that Lincoln was a fascist, white supremacist. Because Marx says it is it okay? No obviously. I thought this board was better than this. Lincolnfags are gonna have to go in the gulag along with Hitlerites and KKK members. Now fuck off to >>>/fascist/ and stay there

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 No.2902282

>>2902248

>a fascist, white supremacist

Oh, just say "problematic cis-het white male tool of the patriarchy" already.


 No.2902302

>>2902282

It’s really interesting how crypto-reactionaries here consistently defend right-wingers and attack the left


 No.2902321

>>2902248

Lincoln was a fascist? What a fucking shit take. Fascism didn’t exist when Lincoln was president and Marx wrote him a letter in praise of the end of slavery. Yeh we can tell you don’t like Marx, which is why you expect communism out of a state which only just overthrew the royalty and still had slavery. These things take time you cretin. Why do you expect historical figures to have the same standards as your blue haired anarchist social club (sorry I mean “affinity group” ) do?


 No.2902322

>>2902321

Keeping sucking Marx’s dick. Lincoln would be a fascist if he was alive today.


 No.2902323

>>2902302

Also saying “it’s really interesting” is a great way to make insinuations without actually saying anything.


 No.2902338

>>2902322

But he isn’t alive today and he was alive in his time during the material conditions of that time. Sure, If you live in fantasy land rather than reality you are correct, but we don’t, we live in reality. Idealists fs smh


 No.2902339

>>2902322

Did the social club comment touch a nerve? I bet it did didn’t it


 No.2902410

File: b3235f9a3213772⋯.png (347.83 KB, 850x400, 17:8, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2902326

Lincoln is probably one of the least shitty US Presidents, but come on now. Saying something that sounds woke doesn't make a person a lefty.


 No.2902484

>>2902410

I do not know that I would call Lincoln and the Free Labor movement properly leftist, but old dude was instrumental in the destruction of slavery. Free Labor also tried, albeit futilely, to oppose the rise of the the financial bourgeoisie. I wish that populism still looked like Free Labor.


 No.2902703

So you allow liberal pro-capitalist shilling now? If so, why not give the board to an actual leftist?


 No.2902752

File: 46536ff47ba4932⋯.jpg (145.8 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, sherman.jpg)

>>2902248

>user was banned for this post


 No.2902887

>>2902752

>defending a white supremacist who wanted to ship New Afrikans back to Africa


 No.2902896

>>2902887

>ban evading


 No.2902920

I count at least five different "ex-military" or people who "know a guy" who all suddenly started posting through rotating proxies on Memorial Day to convince everyone to join the military "for training" or that vets are "the most important people to recruit."

Seems like genuine shilling to me.


 No.2903008

>>2902920

Not saying there aren't shills, but there is a legit point being made that knee-jerk rejection of all military sympathizers is downright stupid from a practical standpoint, and that we need to be practical in our marginalized political position


 No.2903020

>>2903008

People who just sympathize with the military should be understood to be right wing. IE, not acceptable leftists. If the sympathizers are workers, of course they should be engaged, but part of that engagement is necessarily working to turn them against the military (and against the police). As well, they should be lower priority for engagement than the advanced segments of the working class. While they're a minority in some western countries, there are still millions of workers who hate the military and the police. It's a better use of everyone's energy to work educating and organizing them first.

If you mean sympathizers IN the military, there is absolutely no evidence of actual communist sympathizers in the imperialist militaries. If they're there, they are an extremely small minority. They only thing they can do to be of use to communism at this point is quit in any way possible, actively work against all orders, or leak as much info as possible.

If you mean vets, the vast majority of vets are fascists. The politically organized ones are all joining freikorps militia organizations (3%ers etc). "Ex"-CIA, military, police, etc. individuals are a plain hazard at this point and can't be sufficiently vetted. They don't have any great practical wisdom to impart to communists, especially right now. We're not in revolutionary conditions, not even close. These are counterrevolutionary conditions. And all the "communist parties" in the USA for example are being wrecked by "ex-military" and "ex-police" such as Prysner in the PSL. Genuine communist vets, all ten of them, simply do not have a contribution to make right now. They can work on their own.


 No.2903150

Why the fuck are all the new flags just appended to the end of the list and not in alphabetical order like the rest


 No.2903174

>>2902896

>being a rulecuck


 No.2903284

>>2903150

Fixed.


 No.2903329

Please allow Tor posters. This website is probably a honeypot since NZ happened.


 No.2903336

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2902947.html#2903328

Why the fuck is this thread anchored I am absolutely fucking sick of this place you retards actually don’t want to discuss the left thought we might get less abject retardation with the new BO but nope turns out the faggotry runs deep. What the fuck is your collective problem mods?

>inb4 some weak ass bs about muhhh sanders is a socdem imperialist or some shit

So fucking what, what you honestly truly expect Americans to vote for and support an outright communist party? You are a fucking joke if you think so and should straight up neck yourself. You live in an internet bubble and have no fucking clue what real people think. Not one clue, you are a sheltered little bedroom fuck and you have precisely zero use for the left, most probably because of shit like this you are a detriment. You are an autistic idealist who really expects people to jump right on with your ultra purist idealist bollocks I bet you think is some higher form of Leninism. No you doubt shit motherfuckers, not at all. You don’t seize the state with a bunch of loser college kids/drop outs/neets. You seize it with the masses. Fuck you.


 No.2903345

>>2903020

dunno how you expect to have a revolution without support of the army. Of course they should be engaged. There are groups of vets who are now anti war for example who could easily be engaged.

Smacks of college liberal bs that you wouldn't want to engage the military when they are one of the biggest employers in the US


 No.2903349

>>2903336

discussion belongs in US politics general. This isn't a judgement on the content of the thread.


 No.2903359

>>2903349

you realise if you don't state that somewhere the thread maker has no idea why it is anchored, wont move it to the US general, and the discussion will die.


 No.2903409

>>2903359

Sorry, keep forgetting you amerilards need to be handheld 24/7 while people from any other country don't feel the need to make 5 threads a day for every leftoid candidate they have.

If you like it we could implement 2 day bans for burger politics outside the containment thread along with a visible ban message that it should be in the US general.


 No.2903440

>>2903409

I hate to be defending Americans but the fact to the matter is US elections *are* important for the whole world. Yeah, people from other countries don't create threads for every candidate, but elections in every other country don't choose the leader of a country with bases in every corner of the world, a country that influences nearly every country on the planet.

I think American elections are important to all. And sure we know Clinton, Trump, Bush, Obama, Sanders, Warren, etc. are all essentially the same when it comes to economics and capitalism. But let's not pretend that there aren't some differences. For example Sanders is opposed to American intervention in Venezuela, while Trump and probably Biden and others, are OK with it.

I don't think it is a bad thing to have topical threads as the election approaches. Especially if we can give a leftist perspective on it and maybe attract left-leaning Americans that may be radicalised. Apparently the number of young people in the US who view socialism favorably has increased and is increasing.

Pictures of Stalin might not attract Americans who want to learn about socialism, but some Sanders threads might.


 No.2903499

>>2903440

also this.

also i think putting all of the most important countries matters into one thread crushes all of those discussions


 No.2903500

same with leftytrash and bants just because your little eyesies can't read some words and autist wrote on the internet. the board would be faster and better and funnier if you didn't stimmy it


 No.2903513

>>2903409

Im Scottish by the way. Not american. It doesn't say anywhere that you have to keep all talk of America to American threads also.


 No.2903670

>>2903349

mods should post a redirect to /uspg/ when they anchor


 No.2903698


 No.2903875

>>2903020

What’s wrong with Prysner?


 No.2903898

Mods, I'm not going to ask you to fix your absolutely retarded TANKYIE moderation policies or call you out on running this board for 4 years and still not having come up with some way to run this board along the principles of democratic socialism, instead acting as a closed off party nomenklatura with minimal contact with the userbase,,,

BUT

at least find a way to fix long threads you uncycle. Because once they return to being normal threads, they just automatically reach bump limit and fall down the catalog, as discussion dies. Maybe delete a few posts or up the number of posts to git bump limit or whatever, but watching the GJ thread die because of a technicality like that is just sad.


 No.2903977

>>2903345

Did you read anything in that post?

>>2903875

10th mountain division psyops specialist, literally tortured people, all he does on twitter is whine about how mistreated the poor troops are. Somehow one of the leading members of a socialist party in spite of there being thousands of better possible people who are actually workers.

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 No.2904091

>>2895434

Does this mean we're allowed to discuss radical feminism outside of that garbage reactionary general?


 No.2904398

>>2903977

I took he it he was a specialist or an officer, which to be fair isn’t so very different than all the people in leadership that are ultimately just trust fund babies out of the student activist milleu. Hell, a large portion of party funds the Bolsheviks had came from wealthy donors. An actual political party would have a broad leadership and an even broader membership, the problem is that the existing radical intelligentsia has failed so far to build long-lasting mass organizations; the US isn’t to the level of the merger of socialism and the labor movement, as Kautsky and Lenin called it. As ridiculous as it sounds, and I don’t think this tactic will work in the US, Lenin in WITBD even advocated for the Bolsheviks to have connections with members of the police! I get that ex-military and certain public sector employees are potentially dangerous because their previous connection to government could mean they may be secret infiltrators, but as Lenin points out, what we should strive for is an organization where party activity would direct the Malinovskys to end up doing more help by building the movement than damage from police break ups.

The real problem is that the PSL’s popular front tactics basically mean the field of leadership for directing the movement ends up tailing behind the spontaneous movement rather than driving it forward. If local mass organizations are to be worthy of the name, they have to be directed by a party willing to divert the trajectory of the movement away from liberalism. So you end up with party policies that are simultaneously too “harsh” and too lenient on liberalism, where the “harsh” sloganeering (basically uncritically supporting every foreign movement against the United States) to mask ultimately tepid leniency (such as placing the star spangled banner in pro-immigrant rallies! So much for anti-nationalism). This could easily apply to how Marcyites treat the military (American soldiers are literally just cops in camo vs. C-c-criticizing Prysner i-is *ultra-left*!)


 No.2905198

test


 No.2905209

>>2905200

kek


 No.2905345

there is literally nothing wrong with being an internet moderator

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 No.2905809

File: 019f7918d68475e⋯.png (149.07 KB, 862x959, 862:959, 83ql.png)

Requesting the ban for T9eGJHuO to be lifted as it is one of the very few Opera browser VPN IPs that aren't globally banned.


 No.2905888

>>2905809

>the south doesn't produce anything of value

He said from a computer running on silicone mined in Africa.

Fuck off reactionary.


 No.2905910

>>2905888

>doesn't understand that i'm not the one who posted that stuff

Are you really that low I​Q?


 No.2905960

>>2905809

>Opera browser VPN

just buy a VPN dumb dumb


 No.2906294

>>2905809

Try it again and let me know if it works. If it doesn't, I'll tell the vols to cap bans at 6 months instead of permanent.

>>2904376

Unironically tempting to send /leftytrash/ to /leftyb/. Maybe when we've had a significant uptick in users.


 No.2906325

I think the reading list sticky needs an update, maybe summarize the entire thread into a few concise posts. Add the popular reading charts in the image field and reset the thread.


 No.2906336

>>2906325

Also some of the "basic reading material" isn't all that basic. I tried reading Wage Labour and Capital and ended up being redirected to something simpler because it turns out even other people didn't think it was a good start, when I asked a question about it.


 No.2906502

>>2903698

yeh im reddit cos i don't want us to end up like r/socialism


 No.2906668

I get the point of filtering n*ggers to europeans as well as sandn*ggers, but people have been saying european on boards for ages and it literally gets in the way of calling a /pol/yp a european. Maybe keep the sandn*gger one, but remove the one on european.


 No.2906669

>>2906668

See what I mean


 No.2906719

>>2906336

>Wage Labour and Capital is too hard for nazis

kek


 No.2906850

File: b4a3186e4aad976⋯.jpg (239.69 KB, 480x480, 1:1, 1508024138399.jpg)

>>2906719

It's fun pretending you know about something you've never even touched, huh? Most people on this board do not read Marx – it's a very sad day when a NutSac goes more through trouble of reading your ideology than actual socialists. Very similar to atheists seeking to understand the Bible better than Christians. Very sad.


 No.2906863

>>2906850

>It's fun pretending you know about something you've never even touched, huh? Most people on this board do not read Marx

Far more people on leftypol read leftist lit than people on /pol/ read any lit.


 No.2906874

>>2906863

Too bad they don't act like it, if that's the case at all.


 No.2906896

>>2906874

compare the difference between a /pol/ and leftypol lit thread. /pol/ will be some evola magick mumbo jumbo, some self help books in the style of petersteain and probably some pop history thrown in alongside theories about an electric universe and the pyramids being made by aliens or some shit. They will almost never have any actual economics texts.


 No.2906947

>>2906336

WL&C was used to explain capitalism to barely literate factory workers.


 No.2907048

File: 6b35bd3d51413cf⋯.jpg (66.56 KB, 958x598, 479:299, badiou-photo-thumb-large.jpg)


 No.2907120

>>2906850

It's pamphlet length, brainlet. Do you need a participation trophy?


 No.2907160

>>2906668

testing again

european


 No.2907163

File: dcaac209c3160e4⋯.jpg (66.33 KB, 633x356, 633:356, george carlin 1981 hulton ….jpg)

>>2907160

Really now? You're really reducing the amount of slurs I can say to /pol/yps here. I can only say faggot so many times. Or are you going to filter that too?


 No.2907599

>>2907163

Filtering ni99er is dumb, but there are shitloads of slurs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs


 No.2907604

>>2907599

There are only so many that work in general board conversation, especially with /pol/ shitposters.


 No.2908042

<filter the n word to the opposite!! xD

Stobbit. This is somehow less amusing than the leftpol Jew:Capitalist filter, neither were funny because both were done out of butthurt and were swapping words out in a way that makes entire posts confusing. At least the basketball American filter was funny but it was never going to be as funny as calling right wing 56% burgers nignogs.

If you absolutely must push the buttons on the admin panel like it's a Fisher Price playset then at least pick obscure phrases and swap them out with something funny.

tl;dr: Give me back my no no word, you big gay faggot.


 No.2908143

>>2908042

/leftypol/ is /r/socialism now, what did you expect?


 No.2908203

>>2908143

>>2908042

even 420chan filtered it


 No.2908242

Why is it that whenever someone is banned the post is deleted? People need to know what causes bans and what dosn’t.

>>2895107

No it just forces people to spend 15 bucks a month on a VPN.

>>2895981

No we believe in the self interest of the working class. And because the working class is the supermajority of the population in all nations we have the might to enforce this self-intrest.

>>2902322

No, he would be nazbol

>>2903020

At the end of the day soldiers are prols, and their work is very different form police work. Most soldiers come from dirt poor backgrounds. Also no revolution has occured without the support of the military. Without their support the revolution will end like the Sparticus Revolution did, it will be violently suppressed.


 No.2908260

>>2908242

>At the end of the day soldiers are prols,

false

>and their work is very different form police work

false

>Most soldiers come from dirt poor backgrounds.

false

>Also no revolution has occured without the support of the military.

false

wow, is this the power of trotskyism


 No.2908271

>>2908260

Name a revolution that occurred without support from soldiers.


 No.2908305

>>2908271

Cuban revolution depended on demoralization of military, not recruitment.


 No.2908309

>>2908305

When revolutionary forces arrived at Havana the soldiers let them enter, if they fired on them things would of been different.


 No.2908353

>>2908309

>When revolutionary forces arrived at Havana the soldiers let them enter, if they fired on them things would of been different.

IE, they were demoralized and didn't care about fighting


 No.2908356

cyclical threads are no longer bumping, you changed something, fix it you dongle


 No.2908515

>>2908356

Works on my machine.


 No.2908686

>>2908629

It never existed. There is only a tank flag. You may be confusing this board with /leftpol/ which has the Russian SSR flag as the ML flag.


 No.2908691

File: 0fee596d84eb703⋯.jpg (618.93 KB, 806x954, 403:477, D3zRWlPW0AAuduY.jpg)

>>2900511

If China general is cycled, then you might as well keep the DPRK general as cyclical too. It has been running since 2017 after all.


 No.2908709

It would be a great idea to consolidate all parliamentary politics to one bourgeois politics thread


 No.2908736

Do your job mods

Also this >>2908691


 No.2908741

File: 3ef73f058717f26⋯.png (543.25 KB, 2577x353, 2577:353, 1-screenshot.png)

Mods, do your job, please.


 No.2908751

>>2908741

its 1 guy and the mods are asleep. chill out.


 No.2908780

>>2908742

>>2908727

>>2908717

>>2908721

These threads are polyp baits. Pls mods bumplock them.


 No.2908830

This poltard is spamming the board ban him.

>>2908742

>>2908727

>>2908717

>>2908721

>>2908822

Are you fucking europeans asleep?


 No.2908861

>>2908830

>>2908780

>>2908751

>>2908741

>>2908736

sorry for the delay, he's banned now


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 No.2908916

>>2908143

It's been r/soc with naughty words for two years now so it's no surprise to see the mods who assure us they were "the first posters here, actually" proceed to do dumb shit.

>>2908203

Not to something completely unfunny that also makes the post nonsensical like "european". 420chan also has like 30 posters due to being mismanaged into the ground and Kirtaner is an unironic Resetera user, so I'd prefer not to take tips from them.


 No.2909045

>>2908916

>It's been r/soc with naughty words for two years now

Have you ever even read r/soc? Nobody here gets banned for "ableism," and nobody there gets banned for imperialism.


 No.2909157

>>2909045

Yeah it's just about as fun and populated as r/soc since we got generations of no fun nerds in charge. This board was objectively at its best before the BO decided it was their duty to steer us into better things. Less has been proven to be more. We had one present mod who would ban for spam between late 2015 - mid 2016.

The only reason people are here now is because of their niche cyclicals, and removing the cyclical marker off them will just make them recurring threads.

>Nobody here gets banned for "ableism,"

Yeah, at the moment. BO has already complained about the criticism of feminism as a bourgeois movement and banned the N word so we can get the whiny Chapo fags to come over and feel good about posting here at last. This is what, week two?

>nobody there gets banned for imperialism.

Yes they do and they get banned for far more too.

If BO wants to make this place like it used to be they need to just get rid of spammers and recurring nuisance posters,and remove the butthurt word filters ie ☭TANKIE☭ and european - this is how it was when the board was climbing rapidly. If some smartass nuisance poster wants to keep dodging his ban and shitting the place up for hours - don't add a new word filter that makes the conversation confusing, add a word filter that makes the conversation comically absurd. If they can't think of a funny one, ask the board. This is what the old BO did before they took a shit in their skull.

I do care about this board despite hardly coming here anymore. I'm not mad about not being able to say the N word, I just want us to work towards getting back to the place where this was the most entertaining leftist forum on the internet, and I don't think the mods are going in the right direction/have misdiagnosed the problem. Putting on a Nazbol flag and shouting the N word at redditors was one of the best defences against the insufferable scolds, and BO has already proven they're one of the people this irritates to the point of action.


 No.2909200

make dprk thread cyclical >>2265496


 No.2909269

>>2909200

It's uncycled because it's not a containment general and I would rather see it archived and a new one made to preserve the posts in it. Uncycling does not indicate we dislike the thread, quite to the contrary.


 No.2909288

>>2909269

nobody complained about /dprk/ being cyclical since 2017 yet you unilaterally decided it's now unworthy of it


 No.2909331

>>2909288

>unilaterally

One of the mods brought it up. Anyways this feels like arguing for the sake of arguing, just re-read my post to see why it's uncycled. I don't want the DPRK general to lose posts, cause that's what happens to cycled threads. Do you have an actual argument as to why cycling is better than archiving and making a new thread?


 No.2909337

nigger test


 No.2909373

>>2909331

>One of the mods brought it up. Anyways this feels like arguing for the sake of arguing, just re-read my post to see why it's uncycled. I don't want the DPRK general to lose posts, cause that's what happens to cycled threads

People in that thread actually had a system to archive it every 500 posts or so.


 No.2909402

>>2909269

>>2909331

Hey EURO why are you so fucking assblasted about the sort of shit that would turf out redditors way back when, despite being here since day one?


 No.2909464

>>2909373

>>2909331

Check the archive history. No posts have been lost besides that of the occasional banned anon.

https://archive.fo/https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2265496.html


 No.2909687

>>2906294

Wait you can unban perma-bans? I got permabanned from the previous BO coz he assumed I was insulting Maduro…


 No.2909695

File: 32c15977de377ed⋯.png (76.51 KB, 746x477, 746:477, Screen Shot 2019-06-05 at ….png)

Have the mods gone insane


 No.2909786

>>2909695

Thats funny as fuck. Im glad to see the splittists getting purged


 No.2909912

>>2909687

Permabans are just a ban with no set expiration. Any ban can be removed.


 No.2910455

>>2909695

nah really why is this a ban? Unspecified reason should not be an option


 No.2910460

>>2909912

Permabans only last three months and then they expire.


 No.2910465

>>2910455

"Why was I banned for spreading Western propaganda?"


 No.2910488

>>2910460

Mine said it will not expire


 No.2910489

File: 4361fe9deee4566⋯.png (13.65 KB, 567x193, 567:193, 6d80c2990a4b1ba7c39b76e9f0….png)

the fire rises, brothers


 No.2910490

>>2910489

>all the hardcore socialist boards

>safe for work

Always makes me laugh


 No.2910779

Ban shill threads for people’s porktube channels


 No.2910960

>>2909695

>taiwan isn't a colony


 No.2911183

>>2910490

>workers boards safe for being at work

>compared to /pol/yp porno teenager boards

no it makes absolute sense


 No.2911715

the fuck

did my posts ITT got deleted?


 No.2911716

>>2911715

Your thread has been unanchored, the matter is resolved


 No.2911747

Mods, couldn't you do something about the raid?


 No.2911748

>>2911747

They're disposed of as quickly as we notice. Apologies for the disturbances.


 No.2911751

>>2911748

No problem. Thanks.


 No.2912659

if i make a weekly reading thread that gets traction will you guys cycle it


 No.2912752

>>2912659

sure, why not.


 No.2913192

can i shill my FBI server in /leftytrash/

the best leftists i've yet encountered on FBI (jack angstreich and his crew) are regulars on it


 No.2913193

lel great word filter


 No.2914024

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2911149.html

Why is this thread anchored? Did old butthurt BO get mad his retard take got so thoroughly btfo?


 No.2914171

>>2914024

no answer for this 6 hours later?


 No.2914214

>>2911715

>>2911716

don't hide what you did. we need to see your mistakes


 No.2914215

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2906742.html

and again why is this anchored?


 No.2914241

>>2914024

no, it was anchored because it was a pointless runaround. The fact that you cobbled together a few posts which accrued no response does not give value to a thread

>>2914214

His thread was anchored for tangential relation to issues which have been assigned to a containment thread, which he rebuked as his thread had sparked independent, quality discussion. This was recognized and the thread was unanchored, though you should've been able to figure that out through just the two posts you noted.

>>2914215

precedent established to relegate all youtube/youtuber discussion to trash thread

>>2914171

You've established a reputation, even above and beyond those of your peers for consistent and wholly unhelpful commentary and feedback that amounts to airing your distaste for the moderation style adopted. You are not begrudged this, but do recognize that you're seen as less of a nuisance and more of a persistent annoyance. We're in and out all day, so don't be surprised if you (you, especially) don't appear to catalyze any response.


 No.2914515

>>2914241

Define a “pointless runaround”


 No.2914521

>>2914241

>the deleted responses

Don’t act like I’m supposed to know about things which have been deleted. It speaks volumes that you have such a bollocks moderation policy that you anchor something, unanchor it, then decide you don’t want people seeing why these two things happened.

>YouTube thread

But it had established its own independent discussion.

>you criticise us :(

I’ve said this over and over. There are less posters now objectively than before all this shitty moderation. As well as this, in my opinion, the post are of a worse quality, although admittedly this is hard to measure.

All I want is for /leftypol/ to be fun again and not the diaper of informed tantrum babies to shit in


 No.2914668

bumping my d*scord question


 No.2914705

>>2914668

I also support the use of dizkord and your word filter is another asshurt one designed to enhance what is a political position based off of personal preference


 No.2914708

>>2914705

i don't think there's anything wrong with bullying d*scord users

the unofficial leftypol server is a steaming pile of dogshit for example, full of autistic sounding teenagers regurgitating sub-wikipedia tier sectarian hot takes

the platform is almost certainly riddled with fed backdoors so an overall skepticism towards it is justified

I was just wondering if I could shill mine on /leftytrash/ since the moderation there is looser anyway


 No.2914735

>>2914708

Go for it, keep it confined solely to trash


 No.2914747

>>2914515

The basic premise was, "here's a topic of particular division between two groups" - and while we're all very familiar with this, we don't need to rehash the gotcha arguments between Rojava-supporters and detractors on the nature of the socialist tradition of the Kurdish. We did the same for Stalinist and Trotskyist and other particularist factions which specifically targeted another group or issue that did little more than stoke division. Shitposting is fine, but just let the OP be an actual call to real discussion - you've done as much with your recreation of a Rojava general, which is laudable.

>The deleted responses

you're absolutely right, but I'm afraid what was done was not policy. It was more trying to avoid a fit from an anon who has, several times before, bombarded this thread with essay-long diatribes and polemics about whatever issue is his fancy, most having to do how the board politics functions entirely. Avoid that by removing reference and quickly rectifying mistake

>Has its own independent discussion

half or thereabouts is about youtubers, and the other half is the pol pot dipshit trying to rattle his saber at urbanites. If you wanna promote prolekult, do so in any context that warrants it - but it won't have its own thread.

>you criticize us, all I want for /leftypol/

we're all feeling the crunch believe me, I'm partial to some form of board promotion but idk of one that would draw in new posters that wouldn't also require more even and present moderation due to the potential for raking in reactionaries (less necessary, if one excludes raiding - which I do).


 No.2914981

>>2914735

mashallah


 No.2915223

>>2914747

>we're all feeling the crunch believe me, I'm partial to some form of board promotion but idk of one that would draw in new posters that wouldn't also require more even and present moderation due to the potential for raking in reactionaries (less necessary, if one excludes raiding - which I do).

You need to remove the old BO's volunteer status. He continues to visit occasionally to ban people for stupid shit. That's one reason why leftypol's numbers continue to drop.

If you really want to promote leftwing communities you need to put some effort into organizing things and adding quality content. Leftpol started a book club 6 months ago. If something like this received official support on leftypol we might have the numbers to restart the project. The good thing about a book club (or even a film club) is that it can create engagement between people who otherwise wouldn't agree with one another. The Marxistpedia wiki is also an excellent project.

I'm trying to accumulate some resources on >>>/marxism/

For example, board pages about Marxism: https://8ch.net/marxism/socialism.html


 No.2915373

Can we relegate anti-natalist, efilist, and existential nihilist/cynicist threads like >>2912766 to the containment thread? >>2856439

Modify:

>This is the only thread where LGBT, Gender, abortion or incel discourse is allowed.

>This is the only thread where LGBT, Gender, abortion, incel or nihilist discourse is allowed.

It has little to do with leftist politics, it's just philosophical masturbation with circular reasoning, people will never agree on this bullshit, just like American Christians will never agree with Chinese atheists on abortion, so it should be contained to make room for more productive threads.


 No.2915480

>>2915373

go watch benatar destroy jordan peterson and sam harris, then tell me if you feel the same way about anti-natalism


 No.2915662

>>2915373

not everything needs a fucking containment thread just because it triggers you


 No.2915731

>>2915725

The thing that triggers me is the degeneration of this board. Which many people are also triggered by.

This did not use to be the place where we would cry to the mods because our little bitch eyes took offence at reading some shit on a screen.

Do not be part of that.

this is NOT r/socialism


 No.2915741

>>2915731

Tbh I feel like there are less people banned now than before.


 No.2916474

test


 No.2917370

Why can't we have at least one UBI containment thread? You mods let nazi threads go for hundreds of posts but anchor ubi threads after ten.


 No.2917372

>>2915741

I don't think so becaise the mods said they wouldn't reset the old permabans. Maybe the rate of bans has gone down.


 No.2917566

Incel posting needs to be instant permaban. Yay or nay?


 No.2917586

>>2916993 is idpol shit and has some of the dumbest /pol/ tier arguments, someone do their job and go bumplock it

>>2917566

incel posting is usually the lowest quality posting here so yes


 No.2917972

>>2917566

How about banning humble braggers who provoke it in the first place? Apparently asking for more equality is the wrong thing to do, instead I should ask that society remains as it as now, or even better with more inequality freedom, except with me at the top.


 No.2918043

>>2915741

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2917269.html#2917380

what about this thread apparently we can't talk about UBI now.

Why is this anchored?

This is exactly why your retarded American politics containments threads are shit.

UBI is probably a bigger discussion point outside of the US.

Are we going to put every discussion of imperialism in the US thread now because its something America does.

Why won't you retards fucking listen. Honestly could you tell me what age you all generally are? Because it is honestly like discussing things with retarded kids. You have dumb shit opinions which make absolutely no fucking sense and then when questioned it hands on ears lalalalalalala. you can see clearly, as can everyone, the state of the board, and yet you refuse point blank to do anything about it based on your snowflake little preferences.


 No.2918044

whiney fucking wa wa wa i had to read some words :( :( :(


 No.2918052

>>2917972

>how about we just ban shit i don't personally like

>that will make for a good place to discuss radical politics

AHHHHHHHHHH FUCK YOU PEOPLE


 No.2918216

Request for a ban to be lifted


 No.2918547

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2918045.html

Another victim of the us containment thread I suppose?

Make leftypol fun again


 No.2919421

>>2918547

haha been almost a full day now you retards have literally nothing, pathetic


 No.2919425

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2919100.html

yet another thread anchored for no fucking reason


 No.2919768

Just ban the fucking chapotard already, I'm sick of this narcissistic piece of shit.

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2919713.html


 No.2919983

>>2919768

Ban ban ban ban ban ban ban you are a fuckingn child grow up. You are just like the sjw silencing and cancelling everything that triggers them. Shut the fuck up you little bitch


 No.2920067

>>2919983

>muh free market place of ideas

shut up liberal




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