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 No.2925519

Is it because they know there’s no justification for how tucking awful this country actually is? That its the richest country on Earth and yet many Americans are dying of opioids, are snapping and killing their classmates, are homeless on the streets?

Americans have a severe victim complex, their government goes all around the world sewing chaos, and Americans take pity on themselves and fail to understand why they’re utterly loathed. No other country has had this particular pathology, from what I’ve seen. Many countries have always manufactured reasons for war, but only Americans demand sympathy from the world they rule. Not tribute, not glory, sympathy.

Because Americans know there is no excuse, no justification, their country is evil and furthermore doesn’t care about them, and the only thing that Americans can do is pity themselves and pity their country. Sad.

 No.2925534

>>2925526

Hello newfag, enjoy your stay.


 No.2925540

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>>2925526


 No.2925546

I unironically believe most americans suffer from collective schizophrenia. Even those critical of certain excesses of american capitalism and imperialism still uphold americanism and their whole worldview is colored by it. And it seems that one of the few ways out of the delusion is to instead become rabidly anti-american which isn't a healthy thought process either.


 No.2925547

>>2925546

Definitely difficult not to be anti-American with the amount of pro-American propaganda being shoved down our throats.


 No.2925548

File: 85cbfffd2f1f60a⋯.jpg (136.51 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, stfuliberaltrumpkimjongun.jpg)

>>2925526


 No.2925550

>>2925546

I should add, this isn't just on the topic of capitalism or imperialism. Even discussing food, music, history, psychology, literature etc. with americans is almost always an unbearable experience, aswell as with non-americans who've taken the kool-aid. Americanism extends far beyond the borders of the USA. Check your friends for American thinking patterns and try rooting them out.


 No.2925552

>>2925526

/leftypol/ has always had DPRK supporters but I'd say that over the last 2 years or so a lot of anarcho-libs with orientalist hateboners for the DPRK and China left or got purged so now we can have actual discussion about it


 No.2925568

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>>2925526


 No.2925571

>>2925570

Basically that there’s a deep, gibbering insanity at the core of American culture that leaves most Americans in a 24/7 cognitive dissonance where they live in the world’s greatest and most powerful country, but also they’re victims, and everyone should do what they say, but also they secretly want to do what we say anyway, and we must liberate people, but by killing them.

Shit like that.


 No.2925573


 No.2925579

The conditions in the US are ripe for the creation of a highly reactionary society for a number of reasons, and I think Gramsci’s theories offer an excellent lens to examine it. First off, we need to understand that class struggle isn’t nearly as simple as it appears in some of Marx’s writings, and he acknowledges this in other works like the 18th Brumaire. Suffice to say that class relations are (usually) not a simple dictatorship based on brute force or even ideology and false consciousness. The rule of the bourgeoisie obviously requires a degree of acquiescence on the part of the workers, and this can’t rest solely on intimidation and propaganda. It requires that on some level the material interests of the workers be protected by the bourgeois order. This hegemonic arrangement of course doesn’t just happen, it is a product of concessions won through class struggle (strikes, unions, social democracy, etc.) resulting in the emergence of a labour aristocrat/petty bourgeoise middle class. This middle class then internalizes bourgeois ideology, since under the hegemonic order they are able to live relatively prosperous lives, and thus are able to be convinced that their interests are tied to the existing order. The US is an excellent example, and probably the most successful case of bourgeois hegemony. The labour struggles of the 19th and early 20th centuries eventually culminated in the postwar equilibrium under which workers were largely incorporated into bourgeois hegemony (thanks in large part to imperialism and the postwar boom), and this was done on a scale never before seen, to the point where the majority of white workers were included in this middle class. However capitalism is inherently unstable, and all sorts of events can destabilize the precarious balance of power that produces a particular hegemony. The middle class is especially vulnerable to shifts in the hegemonic order, since unlike the big bourgeoisie they lack the wealth to ensure economic security, and unlike the lower echelons of the working class they actually have something to lose. When the hegemony shifts in a way that effectively ejects the middle class from its position, their discontent inevitably manifests itself as a form of right wing populism, and under proper conditions can develop into Fascism. It manifests itself in this way because of the internalization of bourgeois ideology by the middle class. When the order which had previously secured their position begins to collapse, it’s far easier for them to blame some sinister other (Jews, bankers, liberals, immigrants, etc) rather than reject their entire previously established worldview. It’s not hard to see why somebody who had secured a prosperous existence under capitalism would blame something other than capitalism once that existence is threatened. The US today is undergoing this process, with the white working class being ejected from their previously secure and prosperous position within US bourgeois hegemony. The result is that their anger lashes out in multiple directions: at certain leaders they believe responsible for the loss of their position (establishment politicians in both parties), against immigrants and minorities (who they see as displacing them from their position), and against the left, who they have been taught to hate since birth. The mass basis of fascism in the US won’t be those retards in Charlottesville, it will be Fox News grandpas who small business or are skilled workers.


 No.2925588

>>2925580

>Yeah my boo why is there even a cyclical.

Yeah why would a socialist board have a cyclical about one of the only socialist states left in the world.


 No.2925593

>>2925579

I doubt it’ll be some decrepit old fucks who are diabetic and senile anyway, it’ll probably be Gen Z that are among the first true American fascists. I think Gen Z will ultimately be split into a fascist portion mostly comprised of white zoomers and genuine leftists made up of non-white zoomers and their white allies.


 No.2925596

>>2925594

>Considering the sort of poison it attracts

What?


 No.2925599

>>2925597

While they may not be "prospering hard", they certainly are making economic progress, and everything else in that post seems good to me.


 No.2925604

>>2925550

You sound like a schizo yourself. What the fuck is an "American thinking pattern?" You're out of your mind dude.


 No.2925606

>>2925601

gtfo CIA.


 No.2925609

>>2925593

That’s quite possible, but what I was getting at was that American Fascism won’t look much like Nazism. It will likely look just like mainstream American conservatism stripped of its liberal aspects, and it will emerge from the ranks of the downwardly mobile former middle class.


 No.2925612

>>2925610

Why do you spoiler your pictures? And what is that picture supposed to prove?


 No.2925616

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>>2925613

You truly are an imbecile.


 No.2925621

I don't particulary hate Americans, I am not racist and I don't hate racemixed people but the Amerimutt and "Freedom ain't Free" memes are hilarious and anyone who says otherwhise is an hypocrite, don't be so thin skinned Americant's, you are in an imageboard who laughs at dysphoric/trans people, autistic people, crippled people and people with Down Syndrome constantly, don't be so God-damn thin skinned.


 No.2925627

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>>2925519

It's the English as a world language, US domination in culture and media and populous with no real experience in war in the home front or rabid nationalism destroying their homes. Culturally and polically US is basically a house made of one way mirrors. When Americans look outside they only see themselves, but everybody can see them from the outside. American can never relate to other countries being bombed, because of geography they have always been the ones bombing and invading without the other guy having really any ability to reduce American cities to rubble in return. At least Europeans have the WW1 and WW2 to look as a examples as to why war and jingoism is bad.

Because Americans live in a anglosphere bubble of their own perceptions and media monopolies they can never really compare their own situation to other countries and just accept that rest of the world is comparative to America or worse.

>>2925526

If we assume that DPRK is really a hell on earth for the sake of argument. What justification US has to act as the judge, jury and executioner of the world and destoy countries that they don't like with whatever means they see fit? Especially when US intervention has rarely left the people in a better condition or made the governments more "progressive" or "democratic". One doesn't have to agree whit countries who stand against US, but why the fuck does it always have been silent acceptance or outright cheering when US does another 20 min adventure in some third world country.


 No.2925631

Most Americans simply have no critical understanding of how bad their state is due to a lifetime of propaganda.


 No.2925632

>>2925609

On, yeah, I think everyone that looks into this shit realizes American fascism won’t be Naziism.

Rn I think it’s split between being intersectional fascism vs white nationalist fascism, currently it seems like it’ll be the latter, but prior to the Trump admin it seemed like it’d be the former.


 No.2925634

>>2925621

My dad unironically said “Freedom isn’t free” when we got into an argument about the pointlessness and evil behind America’s Middle East campaign. Had no response when I brought up the PATRIOT Act tho


 No.2925636

>>2925629

Hating America is good


 No.2925637

>>2925629

If you don't hate the US, you're either not a leftist, or don't fucking shit about US.


 No.2925638

>>2925637

don't know*


 No.2925647

>>2925629

I didn't say anything about DPRK being bad or good, just that one doesn't have to be "pro-DPRK" to be agains't of US ravaging third world countries.

Just as side note DPRK is based when you take account on what they have to work with and every pro-yankee can try swallowing their own feet and roll into the nearest body of water.


 No.2925649

>>2925632

>Rn I think it’s split between being intersectional fascism vs white nationalist fascism, currently it seems like it’ll be the latter, but prior to the Trump admin it seemed like it’d be the former.

I think white nationalism is actually a non starter in the US. It would be effectively impossible to impose any kind of ethnic cleansing or apartheid on American minorities without the wholesale collapse of the country. Keep in mind that non whites make up nearly half the US population. You also have to remember that most mainstream boomer conservatives in the US at least feel the need to reject explicit racism, and this is a pretty strong tendency even among certain elements of the far right in the US like the Tea Party. I think that an American fascist state would be extremely racist in practice, but racial oppression and segregation wouldn’t be the law.


 No.2925650

>>2925649

How do you see American fascism playing out then?

Because I’ve honestly thought the same, the current US state is more or less oppressing all non-whites in various ways (police brutality and prisons for blacks and Hispanics, plus concentration camps for migrants. Ramping up orientalist propaganda for the new Cold War against China. The genocidal war on Islam in the Middle East. The horrific conditions on the reservations.), so if it’s fascist strain was explicitly white nationalist they’d see a genuine uprising on their hands.


 No.2925651

>>2925634

>evil

A very common word among third worldists and affiliated ideologies. One of the most obvious signs of their lack of any exposure towards actual communist theory.


 No.2925656

>>2925651

>Killing men, women, and child civilians who can’t even defend themselves isn’t evil if you’re doing it for wealth and power


 No.2925662

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>>2925656

I can tell you see nations and not class as the primary contradiction just from the few sentences I've seen you type. Consider reading Marx and getting into communism.


 No.2925664

>>2925650

>How do you see American fascism playing out then?

Well it will definitely emerge from the broad umbrella of the populist right in the US. The problem is that this group includes everybody from QAnon people to Alex Jones types to Tea Party people to Neo Nazis, and these groups all overlap to varying degrees. Whatever emerges from this proto-fascist stew will have to be able to appeal to the displaced white middle class, and will likely need to have some appeal even beyond this group. I think the most likely result would be something that is effectively fascist, but still retains a nominal commitment to established American values, which means it would likely maintain certain liberal/enlightenment principles or at the very least rhetoric. This would probably mean COINTELPRO style repression of leftist and liberal movements styled as “anti-terror” campaigns, “elections” which are even more pointless and rigged than the ones they have now, but it’s aesthetics and rhetoric would be very similar to what the American right has been talking about since Bush or even Reagan. All it really needs in order to qualify as fascism is to sweep away bourgeois democracy and whatever limits liberalism places on state power, and use then systematically repress left opposition.


 No.2925668

>>2925662

>The nation isn’t the state form capital uses to expand itself bro

>I know I didn’t even address what you said, but read more Marx bro

>Once you can detachedly explain to the proletariat their problems in a clinical and sterile way they’ll join your side


 No.2925674

>>2925668

There's nothing sterile or boring about refusing to talk like a fucking papist. Capital isn't the Devil, it's a necessary element, just as necessary as it's destruction. You can keep your preachy writing style if you wish though the rest of us will continue to roll our eyes at it.


 No.2925678

>>2925668

>Once you can detachedly explain to the proletariat their problems in a clinical and sterile way they’ll join your side

This isn't really an argument, at best it's an appeal to emotion as opposed to a view based on necessity.


 No.2925682

America sucks, look at what its foreign policy did fo the world! America sucks so much that everything is America’s fault! America is the sucking black hole of Earth!


 No.2925695

>>2925682

Like I said, you people act like someone’s ramming a dick up your asshole the second people talk bluntly about this piece of shit country.

Americans are worthless, mindless, and fucking degenerate


 No.2925703

>>2925650

>American fascism

it'll evolve into accepting brown people like the integralists or evolve into a program of assigning different states as specific racial homelands or something


 No.2925714

>>2925631

>They don't know better!

They don't want to, either.


 No.2925722

Most Americans are overworked, tired, and disillusioned. They don’t support their state but they feel powerless to do anything. But they will fight back because they are proletarians. As the US economy collapses and the bourgeoisie reinstitutes the draft, the American working class WILL fight back the likes that hasn’t been seen since the Great Depression, and the next crisis will make that pale in comparison. Anyone hating on the American proletariat is fundamentally nationalist, reactionary, and an enemy of Marxism


 No.2925724

>>2925526

when we got redpilled by the DPRK thread


 No.2925725

>>2925668

Lenin said that the workers must be told the truth


 No.2925732

>>2925722

Most Americans would vote in some soft form of social-democracy, if such an option were politically available to them, but that's about it. Communists used to know how to break people out of jail and weren't afraid to use violence against the state. It takes decades to re-learn these skills, it will be some time.


 No.2925735

>>2925732

60% of Americans don’t vote


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 No.2925753

>>2925751

All Russians wanted was an end to war and some bread. You can’t expect the American proletariat to be fully revolutionary at this very moment, that consciousness develops in the course of struggle


 No.2925759

>>2925753

of course, that will (may) come in time


 No.2925807

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>>2925550

It's not easy to get out of it, man. I still try to watch myself for the remnants of my broken upbringing in this insane country.


 No.2925840

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>>2925519

*Unitedstatians

That’s what their Southern neighbours call them, Estadounidense (Northern ones call them Yanks).

Please don’t reinforce the desire of Amerimutts to rule over the whole continent as expressed in the Manifest destiny and Monroe doctrine.


 No.2925847

>>2925604

I mean Cultural Americanism. You don't see it cause you've internalized it.

>>2925627

Almost forgot - the anglosphere in general suffers from schizophrenia. But the US is most prominent.


 No.2925851

>>2925597

>>2925599

They are in a far better condition than any capitalist state would be if they had to face the same level of imperialist encirclement and economic war.

Their HDI even in the crisis year of 1995 was 0.766. This was the last time their HDI was listed, however they have clearly recovered from the Arduous March and living standards today are much better. By comparison in 1990 it was 0.79

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/reports/259/hdr_1998_en_complete_nostats.pdf

https://www.cfr.org/blog/north-koreas-food-situation-stable-and-improving

Also the Director-General of World Health Organization has praised their healthcare system as something the rest of the developing world would envy.

https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2010/20100430_chan_press_transcript.pdf

>>2925610

Interesting how they simultaneously have no internet while also having agents posting even in this website


 No.2925852

>>2925526

Read the general and it's archives along with the sources posted within it.

>>2265496

https://archive.fo/https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2265496.html


 No.2925901

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Comments for a photo of a father and his daughter drowning at the border

Fuck Americans, they’re truly less than human, they’re fucking monsters, this entire country deserves to burn and half the population deserves the fucking bullet. I truly hope WW3 breaks out and America becomes a smoldering heap of nuclear waste. Fuck these savages.


 No.2925913

so how many here would wipe out clapistanis, including every genuine leftist there is here (non-meme "there are no leftists in the US" hardmode)


 No.2925914

>>2925913

I’d only destroy non-Marxist Americans


 No.2925920

>>2925914

Not the question. You don't get to keep the "good" ones.


 No.2925923

File: 1b8033acaf8fed7⋯.jpg (45.25 KB, 562x437, 562:437, hahaha fuck you.jpg)

>>2925526

What do you mean "whitewash". It's like the capitalist pigs make up a bunch of shit and then when you deny this propaganda it's "whitewashing" lol.

Prove anything first, pls.


 No.2925924

>>2925920

Then all of them

You think I’m a coward?

Fuck em


 No.2925925

>>2925519

>No other country has had this particular pathology, from what I’ve seen.

Why are you talking about the USA? Why aren't you talking about others.


 No.2925926

>>2925925

The answer is in the quote, Americans are uniquely retarded. I can tell you're American from this response.


 No.2925927

>>2925926

I don't think it's unique.


 No.2925929

>>2925927

Even American leftists do it, if you suggest that America can't win a certain war they'll start shitting and farting over it.


 No.2925933

>>2925929

Not to mention the pathology I was speaking about was the one in which Americans view themselves and their country as victims of…people not liking America

It’s pathetic, and I can’t think of any other empire that’s historically been so desperate for approval and so delusional in terms of goals and justifications

Of course the military strategists and the bourgeois are cold psychopaths that see reality clearly and are happy to burn this world, but the American people themselves are nutjobs with a victim complex that simultaneously want to bomb N.K and kill millions of people (as per a new poll) but would also lose their shit if they were told that’s wrong.


 No.2925940

>>2925933

Yeah they're schizos being driven by Satan essentially. How do I know this? It seems at every turn this is some kind of problem when they could just try to do the right thing and advance society with warmth, love, compassion, and logic.


 No.2925957

Fascism doesn't have to be racial or of a ethno-nationalist character. I think America is already fascist in many ways, people just don't want to make the leap because you don't have a cartoon stereotype of Nazis in the government. Yet if you looked at American society critically, from the media to how Americans are largely still pro-war, despite the past atrocities, then you can make a solid case for fascism.

I repeat, fascism is different in every country. Stop looking for a cartoon representation of fascism.


 No.2925958

>>2925913

Yes, without hesitation I would fucking MURDER all Americans if given the opportunity. You made me burst out in laughter with "genuine leftist" in America. The same genuine "leftists" who spouted "neither washington nor moscow" AND NOW REPEATING "neither Beijing nor Washington" "Neithing Syria nor US" "Neither Venezuela nor US".

Fuck the American """""""""""""""""""""""left"""""""""""""""""""""""", what a damn joke.


 No.2925964

Made the mistake of arguing with another libertarian today, my God do these people deserve the fucking bullet. Absolutely nobody else is as intellectually dishonest, morally repugnant, or ignorant as these fucking rats.

Honestly, if mankind cannot reject capitalism then mankind truly deserves its extinction, fuck this species and fuck every last slackjawed corporate cock-sucking American.

Repost


 No.2926010

>>2925840

yeah but that doesn't sound good in english. say "U.S.American."


 No.2926022

Honestly, I do think it's worth saying that America isn't this incomprehensible evil, just about every awful thing about it is explicitly to keep the international capitalist system running. There are many, many inefficiencies, but it explicitly exists as it does to be the imperialist arm of global capital. It's like when people say that Israel can simply disarm itself and stop the atrocities - it can't because its reason for existing is to be a giant military base, its nature is fundamentally fascistic.

This is not a defense of America, of course, it is disgusting and the end of the capitalist system it upholds needs to come as soon as possible, but you have to comprehend why it is that America is the way it is before you can stop it.


 No.2926031

>>2926022

This. There are very clear reasons why America is the way it is, and Marxism offers he framework for uncovering this reasons. It’s not the bizarre cruelty and backwardness of America that makes it the seat of global capitalism. It’s Americas position as the seat of global capitalism that renders its people and culture backwards and bizarrely cruel.


 No.2926068

>>2925519

>No other country has had this particular pathology, from what I’ve seen. Many countries have always manufactured reasons for war, but only Americans demand sympathy from the world they rule. Not tribute, not glory, sympathy.

Europe acted just like America does now pre-WW1.


 No.2926161

>>2925926

This is madness, dude. You've gotten to the point where you're insulting comrades just because they're from somewhere you don't like. Your xenophobia isn't communism.


 No.2926171

>>2926161

The cat already addressed why they're like this >>2926031. Even the main American leftist org, the DSA, is absolutely dripping with American individualism and its leaders are incapable of controlling anyone and are barely social democrats themselves.


 No.2926173

Because half the time it's Euros throwing a bitch fit that they aren't the colonial masters of the world anymore or Americans themselves with daddy issues trying to go for the most "foreign" and seemingly un-western thing they can to escape personal problems (I.E. the closeted orientalism of Maoists and the like)


 No.2926177

>>2926173

Yes that's precisely what's going on, way to make the case for Americans not being retarded with cognitive dissonance and addled with projection.


 No.2926185

>>2926171

That post you directed me to is totally unrelated to my post and the guy I was replying to. I was calling out an individual for being unnecessarily aggressive towards comrades. I'm not trying to turn this into some petty national squabbling match over which country has the best and worst communists, which you seem to be doing.

>>2926173

>>2926177

So is this even an internationalist board anymore? Because the point I made earlier about people here seeing nation and not class as the primary contradiction is only looking more and more true as the thread goes on. This board takes itself too seriously nowadays.


 No.2926303

>>2926173

I’m American and wanted to watch this country burn before I even found Marx


 No.2926315

>>2926171

Don’t take what I’m saying the wrong way. I’m talking about mainstream American political culture as it has existed since 1945 until the present. However I think that this is swiftly coming to an end along with the ejection of the former working middle class from their position in the postwar hegemony. The emergence of groups like DSA and Berniecrats as a quasi mainstream political force is incredibly encouraging, even with all their flaws. Like it or not, social democracy is still and always has been a genuine worker’s movement, and it’s reappearance in the US is the first proper worker’s movement in 40 years at least. True revolutionary worker’s movements don’t just appear fully formed from nothing, they evolve as the class struggle unfolds until they are produced by specific conditions. Just as the Utopians and Luddites preceded the Marxists and organized labour, so to do liberal/utopian workers movements often precede class conscious ones. What I said in my post wasn’t meant to write off America as a potential site of revolution, just an explanation of he bizarre and cruel threads in its political culture.


 No.2926367

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>>2925901

Comments for a story about a 70 parents and their children drowning in The Mediterranean Sea.

Fuck Europeans, they’re truly less than human, they’re fucking monsters, this entire continent deserves to burn and half the population deserves the fucking bullet. I truly hope WW3 breaks out and Europe becomes a smoldering heap of nuclear waste. Fuck these savages.


 No.2926377

>>2926367

Lmao, you think I DON’T wanna sterilize Europe and sink that fucker into the sea?

I just hate Americans more because I deal with the fuckers and they’re definitely stupider than euros


 No.2926378

>>2926367

And again with the victim complex 😢


 No.2926382

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>>2926378

>And again with the victim complex


 No.2926412

>>2926171

>is absolutely dripping with American individualism

It’s consumerism and alienation which are a result of capitalism that’s wrong with America, not something as vague as “Individualism.”

>>2926171

>and are barely social democrats themselves

No, they seem be right up their with the SPD.

>>2926185

>So is this even an internationalist board anymore?

Was it ever?


 No.2926417

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>>2926303

>>2926377

You people are the problem with the left, your politics isn’t grounded in class consciousness and rational self-intrest, but irrational self-hatred. You scare away workers. You aren’t a revolutionary, you are a fruit juice drinker.


 No.2926420

>>2926417

Eat a dick, trot faggot


 No.2926422

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>>2926417

Who gives a fuck what some Orwell troll fag thinks? Lmao


 No.2926432

>>2925526

GLOWNIGGERS OUT


 No.2926441

File: 411d7bf6abf69f9⋯.jpg (60.16 KB, 728x843, 728:843, NotAnArgument.jpg)


 No.2926446

>>2926367

>Because of migrant crisis caused mainly by American interventions and escalation.

Don't forget whose fault it mainly was that these people were forced to leave their homes. If one is anti-immigrant then must also be rabid opponent of American foreign politics. Europe is not a humanitarian fail safe for American crusading. I cant wait what kind of wave of right wing reaction the Iranian refugees will cause.

American collapse would be the best immigrant policy for Europe.


 No.2926447

>>2926303

>>2926377

I think you may have wandered onto the wrong board. Communism is about building Mankind up, not tearing the species down. The majority of Europe and Northern America are not going to be sinking into the sea, so you'd best get used to their continued existence for the time being, and try to turn them communist like the rest of us instead of your /pol/-tier genocide fantasies.

Third Worldism is a mental disorder.


 No.2926454

Nationalists in all countries act like retards. You just happen to be exposed to American retardation more because they are the third largest country on earth, are the dominant cultural exporter, and have had the largest online English speaking population.

I suppose American nationalism is a lot worse than what you see in most of Europe, but you'd probably be complaining about Turks or Israelis instead if they had 300 million people posting in English.


 No.2926469

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>>2926446

>Don't forget whose fault it mainly was that these people were forced to leave their homes. If one is anti-immigrant then must also be rabid opponent of American foreign politics. Europe is not a humanitarian fail safe for American crusading. I cant wait what kind of wave of right wing reaction the Iranian refugees will cause.

>American collapse would be the best immigrant policy for Europe.

Some fair points. America is the don but western europe are the capos in the capitalist cartel. Also the port of choice and slavery capital of the world and france was the initiator of that war as america was the initiator in iraq and afganistan.

If america is going down europe is going down with it. Blood in blood out.


 No.2926586

File: b71e0c7deaf1505⋯.jpg (19.58 KB, 300x329, 300:329, NX6P0.jpg)

>>2926469

Britain and France probably wouldn't have the balls if US weren't around. Both countries (and the EU in general) are imperialist by themselves, but in military issues they are good little American lapdogs. Not that EU is innocent by any means, but middle east is primarily a shitshow because of the Americans and it is kept that way by the Americans.

>If america is going down europe is going down with it.

EU might be cucked, but not nearly as cucked as the yankees are. good collapse presents some opportunities and EU is basically on easy mode compared to US.


 No.2926618

>>2926586

>Britain and France probably wouldn't have the balls if US weren't around.

Nigga what are your smoking? Britain built an empire all by themselves in the last two centuries. France not only did the same, but remains be dominant Imperial power in Africa.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Françafrique


 No.2926633

>>2926624

Did America help build the British Empire?


 No.2926639

>>2926634

The British Empire was built by its own exploitation of its subject populations, not the intervention of a foreign power.


 No.2926672

>>2926634

>Yes, colonial America greatly contributed to British power. Are you retarded?

No you are. The US didn’t marchial-paln Britain during the nineteenth century.


 No.2926778

>>2926633

No they built it themselves.


 No.2926803

>>2926672

Cotton from the American South did play a big role in British industrialization, for what it's worth.


 No.2926963

>>2925662

As automation improves and the proletariat are increasingly surplus to requirements, you're going to need moralism to justify why all those unemployable masses shouldn't be reprocessed into fertilizer.

Also, "imperialism" and "exploitation" are only bad because of ethics. As factory farming shows, exploitation is actually quite efficient in purely materialistic terms.

Hell, without some kind of moral or aesthetic axioms it's impossible to come up with a rational argument for or against any course of action. You can't derive an "ought" from an "is".


 No.2927770

>>2926963

>As automation improves and the proletariat are increasingly surplus to requirements, you're going to need moralism to justify why all those unemployable masses shouldn't be reprocessed into fertilizer

Nah, we just need to make those people angry enough to fight. No bullshit ethical systems required.


 No.2930179

Anybody who supports America's repressive age of consent laws or anything vaguely resembling them should be thrown in a fire pit. Americans are incapable of discussing this rationally and I'm tired of their debunked bullshit claims of "muh power imbalance" and "muh trauma" which were transparently made up by feminist hags attempting to prop up their failing sexual market value against their much more attractive teenage competition.


 No.2930201

>>2930179

Just don't date a snitch, it's not like you got to report to your local police office every time you want to fug someone.


 No.2930204

>>2930179

>Okay friend, let me explain something to you since you seem to be new here. Hebephilia is NOT the same thing as pedophilIa. I'm sick and tired of you trolls popping up everywhere and spreading BLATANT misinformation. In many countries hebephilia is considered normal and healthy . Human beings have a natural attraction to girls who are going through puberty. Being attracted to girls who are pre-pubescent is fucking sick and disgusting, but only in the US does there seem to be an unwarranted taboo around a healthy and normal condition. My head hurts. I'm just trying to get my real life back.


 No.2930236

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File: 28944f4bcc4afe6⋯.png (495.6 KB, 1334x750, 667:375, ClipboardImage.png)

Americans are beyond saving, let's shitpost instead


 No.2930247

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>>2930236

my bookchinism radar is off the charts


 No.2930339

>>2930236

>Americans are beyond saving

Sadly, I think they really are


 No.2930491

>>2930201

Or we could get rid of unjust shitty laws like a movement that purports to be about justice should.

>>2930204

Kill yourself before the millions of enraged American men who are tired of being labeled monsters for biologically normal attraction do it for you. "Akshully it's ephebophilia" is completely fucking true and Reddit faggots like you who ignore facts so you can engage in fake moral posturing deserve the gulag.


 No.2930776

>>2925901

What gets me is that people have been dying at the border a lot longer than this.


 No.2930783

File: 825328bcccd595d⋯.jpeg (19.44 KB, 300x168, 25:14, 939AB0AB-65D0-4787-9CB6-E….jpeg)

>>2926447

>Communism is about building Mankind up, not tearing the species down.

Posadist gang would like to have a word with you


 No.2930792

>>2930783

Posadas would like to have a word with you about what you're implying.


 No.2930926

>>2926586

That's like saying if Coca Cola was out of the picture PepsiCo would stop selling unhealthy sugar water. If anything their business would only increase. Same with The EU. In fact many US colonies were just hand me downs from European states: Phillipines, Egypt, Vietnam, Puerto Rico, etc.


 No.2930937

Its a natural reaction. Even i get angry when people talk shit about my country and culture and im very cosmopolitan. Its a offense to your identity so people take it personally.


 No.2939024

File: a5629ab47cfaba8⋯.png (46.42 KB, 720x1560, 6:13, Screenshot_2019-04-13-01-1….png)

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If you are homeless the government in america will give u 46$ a week and 193$ in food stamps per month


 No.2939050

>>2930247

wtf.

Is the Chomsky one real?


 No.2939051

>>2930792

I was kidding.

I actually have no idea what posadas believed outside of memes and a few pamphlets I read of his.


 No.2939052

>>2930937

>offensive to my identity

wtf arre they making fun of that's a part of your identity?


 No.2939167

>>2939050

Knowing chomsky, and given that TPUSA never argues in good faith, there is a distinct possibility that this was taken out of context


 No.2939200

Eat a mighty righty whitey cock, commie. We're gonna fix this great land despite your best efforts. Nationalism. Family. Self-reliance. Secure borders. We'll be waiting with buckets to catch your tears, they should irrigate innumerable square miles of desert.


 No.2939210

American here fuck this country


 No.2939216

File: ea43a63bc73a4e4⋯.png (13.78 KB, 790x88, 395:44, Screenshot_20190712_190651.png)

>>2939200

>We're gonna fix this great land despite your best efforts.

By this great country, you mean Israel, I presume.

Picture related.


 No.2939221

>>2925519

>Is it because they know there’s no justification for how tucking awful this country actually is?

Ah look, an spoiled American brat who has no idea what he is talking about. The poor in the US have it better than the average person in half of the world.


 No.2939223

>>2939200

America will collapse and the people here will suffer lmao


 No.2939224

>>2939221

>Mfw thinking I care about Americans


 No.2939237

>>2925519

IDK, most of us are fucking retards, Im anti-immigration purely on the basis of "why in fucks name would you want more americans in this fucking world"


 No.2939270

File: eca6918761035bd⋯.jpg (59.31 KB, 600x480, 5:4, neo feudalism.jpg)

I hate when foreigners say 'Americans' as if this country is run by the people and for the people. Aim your blame at the jews, and the banksters and the sociopathic oligarchs who are globalists and have no loyalty to the country or it's people. They run everything. They decide who we bomb. They control the media. If you don't understand any of that, then you might not be that smart.


 No.2939275

>>2939270

That picture isn't even right for Medieval feudalism…


 No.2939293

>>2939270

how would corporate elite be clergy?


 No.2939295

>>2939270

What is this faggotry? America was built on genocide and slave labor specifically so it could serve the wealthy and become an empire, fuck this country, fuck every retard that’s loyal to it, it should never have existed to begin with,


 No.2939296

>>2939293

That's not even the Clergy's place in medieval society. Like even if you take purely western catholicism, the role the clergy played was split between the "Landed clergy" and the "Low clergy". Like friars were well below lords in power rankings, but obviously bishops had a lot of power, although more equal to their seculars lords than above them.


 No.2939303

>>2939200

>We're gonna fix this great land despite your best efforts.

That implies we're the ones destroying, you classcucked retard


 No.2939306

>>2939117

A lot of people are migrating lately came from the Honduras because there's a drought due to global warming. He probably wouldn't give a fuck about your virtue signalling, no.


 No.2939312

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>>2939221

>The poor have it better in the U.S. despite not having health care

>mfw


 No.2939314

>>2939270

Everything about that pic is bad. There's no equivalent to monarchs other than some abstract idea of the market. Gentry is more like big stock holders. Clergy is above gentry (at least the big ones), and the equivalent is economists (who are beneath stock holders). Elected officials vary between ministers and aspects of monarchy (the concept of clear parallels is fucking stupid tbh). Merchants are fucking merchants you retard. These are more like stock brokers today. Vassals are like landlords.

The numbers are way off and this ignores differences in labor role, e.g. peasants vs skilled craftsmen, in favor of distinctions within the ruling class which is largely irrelevant. What a garbage pic.


 No.2939344

>>2939312

>medicaid/medicare isnt a thing


 No.2939355

Because Amerifags have been conditioned to be patriotic and loving of their country, no matter how shitty their country may be, they fucking love it!


 No.2939389

>>2939355

All countries suck.


 No.2939394

>>2925519

>Why do Americans lose their fucking shit when you insult their stupid ass country?

Same reason you just did.


 No.2939436

>>2939389

And America is the most capitalist, so it sucks the most


 No.2939453

>>2939436

>America is tge most capitalist

WRONG!

>A recent survey of 44 countries around the world revealed that Vietnam has the highest levels of support for capitalism and the free market, with 95% of respondents speaking highly of the system.

>Population-rich Bangladesh, one of the poorest countries in South Asia and the world, came in second place with huge support of the free market economy, followed by South Korea, China, and Ghana.

https://nomadcapitalist.com/2015/01/07/worlds-most-capitalist-countries/


 No.2939464

>>2939453

A system is determined by the social relation people have to each other, not by their ideologies.


 No.2939486

File: 35c88d830bd6f5e⋯.jpeg (243.47 KB, 640x892, 160:223, 3C3910AB-E42F-4BAA-83CF-C….jpeg)

>>2939453

This country is porky’s playground.

Don’t lie


 No.2939505

>>2939270

It probably has something to do with the fact that Americans always brag about having the best democracy in the world.

Americans overwhelmingly support the systems which keep corrupt oligarchs in power (i.e. capitalism), so in as much as blame is a meaningful philosophical concept, they deserve the blame.


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 No.2939530

File: 0927189833ae9fe⋯.jpg (115.8 KB, 600x920, 15:23, chomsky_lifemagazine.jpg)

>“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum….” -noam CHADomsky

also i want to add that they use a lot of different tactics including the media blurring the lines between legitimate concerns/speculations and schizophrenic lizard conspiracy theories, controlling both popular culture and -popular- counterculture and internet culture (i.e le epic meymeys) and relying on simple (and fallacious) rhetorics to push their agendas such as higher minimum wage hurts the workers or killing children 10000km away is self defense or communism is a great idea that doesn't work or working hard will make you rich, etc


 No.2939599

>>2925621

As an American myself, I find most of those memes hilarious too


 No.2939780

>>2925550

Give an example of American thinking


 No.2939867

>>2939780

>example of American thinking

Freedom specifically referring to your freedom to enjoy being repressed by the ruling class comes to mind


 No.2939873

>>2939867

Not a solely American thing. Lots of bourgeois regimes refer to themselves as part of the "free world."


 No.2939886

File: 6d750ccb0c981f9⋯.png (411.69 KB, 490x613, 490:613, deathcommunism.png)

Honestly though, is there any other country in the world where people constantly fantasize about collapse every other week? Americans are largely misanthropes who hate each-other. It's no wonder this thread exists in the first place - Americans seem to hate each-other for no reason at all. This manifests in the "fuck you, got mine" attitude that is extremely common among Americans - "i don't want to pay for you, i've got everything i'll ever need so i don't care if you pay for me". The individualism and atomization in this country is rampant.

Frankly, individualism in general was a mistake. We have a lot of freedom, but especially the freedom to constantly suffer from a lack of social contact, and the freedom to hate every single one of your friends, and the freedom to get kicked out of your parents' house at 18, and the freedom to be homeless.

That's where individualism has led our country, and quite frankly, this will be our downfall. Our country will fall apart sooner or later, if only because of the fact that it is hardly a country at all. It is a tax haven, and a bourgeois playground - but next time we see hardship, gangs will form, unrest will ensue, and the rampant individualism will either lose its sway over everyone, or it will lead to other countries becoming far superior to us.


 No.2940309

>>2939886

Hollywood has conjured a thousand ways to destroy New York, reflecting American preoccupation with collapse and victim-hood. 9/11 was just another disaster movie.


 No.2940357

>>2939873

Which is a meme burgers started, soooo


 No.2940434

>>2940357

Should we start exclusively blaming Englishmen for liberalism then? And how far back do we need to go to find the sole blame for imperialism too, fucking Akkad? Think before you write, child.


 No.2940513

>>2940434

Liberalism ain’t a meme “mug freedumbs is working past retirement age” is


 No.2940524

>>2939886

It’s borg individualism. In Japan they function on a borg collectivist ideology in which capitalism is treated as the common good.

It really doesn’t matter since capitalist propaganda colonizes both domains.


 No.2940575

>>2940434

Lmao, imagine thinking the English and French deserve to exist


 No.2940640

>>2940524

…the ant people have free healthcare


 No.2941470

File: f2d27ef0cd2b510⋯.jpg (132.48 KB, 400x400, 1:1, poorfags.jpg)

>>2939505

I strongly disagree. It's a monstrous parasitic system that was set up at the start of the 19th century when the bankers got together and devised the federal reserve system. Fast forward 100 years and the parasite is fat with the blood of America. Blaming the people is a gross kind of victim blaming. Most Americans are just desperately trying to survive under the crushing weight of the parasite class. We're not even sheep, were cows to the slaughter being ground into burger while the globalist oligarchs feast on our shredded flesh.


 No.2941849

>>2925519

Most people that bitch about other countries should not have a single word to say when they don't know what it's like in other countries. Propaganda in literally every country, stereotypes of every country. Of the 30 or so countries I've traveled to, the USA has been the best.


 No.2942009

>>2925519

you realize the extremely online do not represent the majority of the popular, like at all right? people who actually go outside and have friends are not going to get worked up about some basement dweller insulting their domestic policy, chances are they aren't too fond of it to begin with.

there are only 3 types of people who go online for hours a day

a) rural hicks where the population density is too low to interact with anybody

b) retired boomers who look like shit to the point where going to the bar does major damage to their self esteem

c) urbanites who have some glaring physical / social attribute that forces them to be outcasts

most of these people are going to be predisposed to some mental illness that makes them easily upset over inane bullshit. as you get older you realize 90% of the content you see online was produced by people who are infinitely more fucked in the head than you are.


 No.2942136

I kind of get insulted when someone insult Sweden and Sweden has gotten much insults especially from that damn geriatric posing as a president in the US.

Most probably his nuclear football is a dud, he probably presses it daily and then forgets he did ;-)


 No.2942218

>>2925519

Because it's our home. I don't walk into your house and complain about the color of the walls, what's on TV, what food you have in your cupboard, what brand of bed you have, or how often you like to dust your furniture.


 No.2942225

>>2925519

Because, post soviet union and even during the cold war, american exceptionalism was based entirely around nationality, rather expertise. However, once russia collapsed, america had nothign to define itself by, as it had so long defined itself as NOTUSSR, so it literally defined America as itself. It sound ridiculous, but also the entirety of america is ridiculous, it plays into that idea of truths being self evident. So attacking america is literally that, attacking america, all of it, no ifs ands or butts, you are literally attacking individuals, atleast in their minds.


 No.2942238

>>2942218

I’m from America, you retarded burger fuck, this is why America should be nuked into oblivion


 No.2942892

>>2926618

They only do so because NATO exists and is bankrolled primarily by the US


 No.2944005

I'm not even going to read the posts… All I'm going to say is OP needs to fucking lurk MOARRRRRR. Come back after like 7 years of research dude. Americans are pawns just like everyone else in this proxy warfare system so please keep that in mind while you attempt to educate yourself. Good luck my future friend, but for now, fuck all the way off.


 No.2944030

File: 5554246a5f81639⋯.jpeg (45.64 KB, 329x274, 329:274, 147E8A9F-FBB1-4343-A94B-A….jpeg)

It’s because they’re brainwashed and insecure faggots who love their lil fantasy world. Red necks like to pretend their better than everyone else when really they are worthless human beings.


 No.2944216

>>2944033

I’m from this shithole prisoner of nations you Nazi baboon

Nazis eat the bullet fag


 No.2944348

>>2944033

You’re obviously really sheltered. The best way to actually learn how much America sucks in it’s totality, is to be a disenchanted native.




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