No.601604
TIL that Mother Teresa (who is going to be ordained as a saint by Pope Francis) once visited the grave of Hoxha and laid a wreath of flowers on his tomb.
Wat?
No.601614
>She had visited Albania in August 1989, where she was received by Hoxha's widow, Nexhmije, Foreign Minister Reis Malile, Minister of Health, Ahmet Kamberi, the Chairman of the People's Assembly Petro Dode, and other state and party officials. She subsequently laid a bouquet on Hoxha's grave, and placed a wreath on the statue of Mother Albania, without commenting on the Albanian Communist party's human rights violations and suppression of religion.[6]:82
Holy shit it's real
No.601619
Love your enemies and all that. :3
No.601620
No.601621
Thats absolutely bunkers OP
No.601667
>>601614
>Pope Francis confirmed for anti revisionist
No.601788
>Lits candle to Saint Teresa
No.602124
This is awesome story. THank you for sharing it.
No.602243
Well that's one good thing she did compared to the infinity bad things.
No.602378
>>602243
Hitchens pretty much had a hard-on hatred for Catholics so i'd take his complaints with a shaker or two of salt.
I mean some of the complaints are ridiculous when put into context.
>Albanian nun born in 1910 who went to Calcutta in the 50s to spend her life soothing the lives of Untouchable slumdwellers who were and are dying in the gutters
>WHY DIDN'T SHE SET UP MODERN-DAY HOSPITALS! Everyone knows indian doctors back then were keen on helping untouchables and even moreso untouchable lepers near their deaths!
>She took money from dictators and didn't improve those deathbeds into modern first-world conditions!
Etc etc.
Even the local communists think most of it's a bunch of bullshit.
Hindu Nationalists hate her though for being european and christian thus "colonialist".
No.602431
>>601604
All the albanians I've met held Hoxha in great regard and saw him as some sort of father of the nation.
Don't ask me why.
No.602441
>>602431
Calling great people great.
Surprising…
No.602462
>>602378
>"Do you teach the poor to endure their lot?" She replied: "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people."
truly a great humanitarian
hitchens might be a neocon crank but he wasn't wrong about everything
No.602465
>>602431
Really? I've kinda heard the opposite.
Then again, these were Albanians on the internet.
No.602472
>>602465
They're the children of people that were political refugees.
No.602503
>>602378
Didn't she make shit loads of cash? They didn't have to have crazy modern hospitals but she probably could have put that money to better use
No.602532
>>602524
BLESS YOU, PAPA FRANCIS
I was actually in church just after he was elected, (it's Franciscan), and the priest was disappointed that the first pope to name themselves after Saint Francis was actually a JESUIT
No.602542
>>602465
Albanian immigrants, construction workers most of them.
None of them have knowledge of the internet beside dank normie memes on facebook, I'm afraid, as the youngest one is like 38.
No.602601
>>602532
Fairly understandable even ignoring the Jesuits newfound (i.e. since the 60s) reputation for heterodoxy.
The Franciscans and the Jesuits aren't on the best of terms (haven't been since their founding when the Jesuits "appropriated" the name of Jesus for an order) and the latter really don't live up to Francis of Assisi's charisms.
For instance the former have real actual poverty vows, the latter have "we're totally doing poverty you guys, it's just that the order lets us use all this order-owned middle-class stuff it owns free of charge" vows.
No.602639
>>602524
BLESS YOU, PAPA FRANCIS
No.602642
Daily reminder that christian communists are our friends, and that religious literature is interesting even if you don't believe it.
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No.602701
>>602642
I used to think it was nonsense until I read Paulo Freire. He completely changed the way I view Christianity in relation to communism.
No.602705
>>602642
Reading John Locke in political theory class, it's amazing how much of his argument falls apart with a christian socialist rebuttal, since half of it is based on a christian theological basis for private property.
No.602714
>>602642
They are my comrades, but it's still irrational and strange to me.
No.602720
>>602642
>and that religious literature is interesting even if you don't believe it.
It is indeed, if you read it the same way you read The Lord of the rings.
No.602721
>>602705
Oh cool, I've never read Locke.
No.602723
No.602725
>>602720
Go to reddit and type in r/atheism. Press enter.
Congrats,
you're home
No.602733
>>602725
oh u
In all honesty though the Bible is written like shit, especially the old testament.
No.602735
>>602733
>he thinks the only type of religious literature are holy books
>he thinks the bible was written badly
There are some very nice events in the bible. I doubt you've read it if you think it was written badly. Maybe you could get away with saying there are portions of it which are written badly, but there are some very nice portions of it to read and listen to.
I always liked going to church as a child because I liked listening to the sermons. I don't believe it now, but I still like listening to sermons.
No.602750
>>602735
>There are some very nice events in the bible. I doubt you've read it if you think it was written badly.
There are nice bits in it sure but they're pretty few and far between and most of it is either weirdly phrased like "God told X this, and X told Y this, and Y said to God, and God said to Y", or it's shit like "X, who begat Y, who begat Z" (comparison to LotR is maybe apt considering the Silmarillion). Not to mention all the contradictions and the Deus Ex machinas. If the Bible was released nowadays as a fiction book it would be crucified (geddit).
To be honest I haven't read it, I listen to a YT series on it. It's entertaining, sue me.
I have nothing against CC's but really now.
No.602753
>>602735
>I always liked going to church as a child because I liked listening to the sermons
That was my least favorite part. I enjoyed the singing and the music. Particularly the older hymns. A lot of the modern christian music seems stale and uninspired imo.
No.602754
>>602733
There are countless translations of the Bible.
Find one you deem prosaic enough, m'sir.
No.602758
>>602754
>There are countless translations of the Bible.
It's an issue of the source text, not the translations, unless you straight up change it.
No.602760
>>602753
My favorite part was the extending of the sign of peace.
No.602769
>>602760
>extending of the sign of peace
Is that when you shake hands with people? (I was a Presbyterian). I wasn't fond of that part either lol, mostly because I'm shy.
No.602774
I went to church a fair few times in school, I was always bored to tears and vaguely outraged even at primary school age.
No.603202
>>602524
Dammit Morales that's sacrilegious. Francis was pretty insulted.
No.603206
>>602524
Bless you, papa Francis!!
No.603210
>>602524
BLESS YOU PAPA FRANCIS
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No.603222
>>602524
/r/ing the Conan Jesus & Marx webm
No.603387
>>602735
>nice events = well written
Your concept of literature is shit.
No.605136
>>603218
Whoa you're right….
I don't know; it still seems sacrilegious. Although…hmmm I think I understand how it could be interpreted. The cross is a symbol of Christ's triumph so him being crucified on a hammer and sickle could be a tribute to all those martyred under state capitalism kek socialism. :^)
Also that second website you linked is pretty wacky. Someone's got a hate on for Catholics.
No.605139
No.605144
>>605136
>it still seems sacrilegious
No.605175
>>602642
>>602735
I'm extremely skeptical of any attempt to blend religion and politics because at some point it always becomes about the "higher purpose" of the church, not the needs of a living society that a holy book says is small beans compared to magic fairy tale land.
I also think Christianity is overly fetishized as the true "religion of peace" by liberals trying to shame baptist inbreds as some kind of hypocrite. It and Judaism are just as fucking barbaric at the core as Islam; hell, the most bloody religious wars in history were between Protestants and Catholics, and in Catholicism, the Pope can formally condone violence, not merely promise that God will be cool with it.
It might seem paradoxical at first how religious governments and rulers were always very right wing in ideology, but in reality it'd be strange if that were not the case. Communist and socialist thought are inherently materialistic and do not incorporate the church into their vision of government even if they personally attend every week–the opiate of the masses and all that. This is anathema to a pious man.
No.605181
>>605175
>Christianity is overly fetishized as the true "religion of peace"
>by liberals
What do you think the most vocal critic of Islam is, exactly?
No.605184
>>605181
In the West, pretty much everyone hates Islam, often on a level of judging individual people, because of bitterness over violent terrorism.
No.605190
>>605184
Liberals are arguably the least Islamophobic mainstream political ideology in America.
No.605202
>>605190
Nah, they buy into the same fearmongering, they just use appeasement instead of violence.
No.605211
>>605202
Could you explain this viewpoint a little more?
No.605234
>>605211
I mean most people are literally afraid of Islam because that's just the public's perception of it: most people in America probably hadn't heard of it before 9/11 or the far less successful 1995 WTC bombings.
It is as awful as it's said to be, but so are the religions we are used to, and we give those a break because we know that they don't define people. Similarly, Mormonism can be almost comically insane, but its followers often shock people by being genuinely nice.
No.605241
People should do more religion themed porn tbh.
No.605242
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>>605241
This woman was so hot in this role.
From "You, me and the apocalypse". Fun mini-series too.
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No.605252
>>605241
This sort of stuff never appealed to me because I've never seen a nun in my life.
No.605256
>>605175
A-THAY-ISM THROUGH CHRISHTIANITEE AND SHO ON.
No.605428
>>605234
>Similarly, Mormonism can be almost comically insane, but its followers often shock people by being genuinely nice.
This. I live with a Mormon and there are many more around my neighbourhood. Mormons are also neck-deep in doomsday quackery, so many of them stock up on food and weapons. I've heard they have warehouses full of food and tools in Utah. Mormon communes when?
No.605494
>>601614
>the passive-aggressive buttblasted liberalism
Kek'd
No.605497
>>605428
>>605428
>Mormon communes when?
Soon.
No.605506
>>605252
It's probably better if you've never seen a nun in your life.
No.605643
>>605428
Mormonism is only insane because it's new. It's not like other religions make much more sense at face value either.
No.605651
>>602750
>YT series on it
Does it reload?
No.605968
>>605428
Don't mormons practice polygamy and send lots of their men away so the church (cult) top can fuck all the women?
No.611932
Re-reading it again… Still funny!
No.612169
No.612192
>>605497
>>605428
No blasphemy but I can't wait for the revolution. I love the church but its gotten way, way too corporate. We know though that when push comes to shove the church prefers to do as the Romans rather than go down with the ship. I'd love to see a Church structure more in line with the United Order, and with better leadership.
>>605968
FLDS do. Not the rest.
No.612206
>>612192
Fellow Mormon? Nice.
And yes I fully agree with you. It's frustrating to read scriptures which promotes many left wing ideas and constantly hear about the importance of serving others, but then see all the greedy rich old men talk about how left wing politics are bad and promote capitalism, because of 'muh free will'
No.612214
>>612192
>>612206
Not to mention that like I pointed out at>>612169 (which was ment to >>605497) early Mormons were communists.
No.612238
>>612206
You do what you can. Its not sinful or bad to disagree with the leadership on stuff like this. Its frustrating how the structure favors capitalists though. Just going back to the Prophet handpicking his successor and the Quorum voting on him, instead of the Prophet being the Sole of the Corporation of the CoJCoLDS, that alone would be pretty nice. Remove all that corporate stuff. We don't need it anymore.
>>612214
Communitarians yeah but not communist, not Marxists. They didn't know any theory or think about workers vs. capitalists, means of production etc. They were just buying land collectively and letting the church manage a lot of its distribution because it was the most efficient way to create their own community, which they believed was necessary to prepare for the Second Coming.
That said, I'd very much like for this current generation to emulate and massively improve on a cool idea.
No.612245
>>612238
Wholeheartedly agree.