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 No.603143

Hey Sasanach!

Who wants a pot of gold from your fellow Irishman?

Also, blow up a couple Imperialist British double-buses while you're at it.

 No.603155

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>year 32x63

>people still think the IRA were anything but dogshit sectarian murderers

Not my comrades


 No.603156

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 No.603159

>>603155

>IRA

>Sectarian dogshit murderers

Depends on the IRA militia.

Republican Sinn Fein is for a federal Ireland for both Protestants and Catholics, and a lot of the original Irish Republicans, back in 1798, were protestants.


 No.603179

>>603159

Sinn Fein is fine, I'm talking about the Troubles.


 No.603187

>>603143

Welcome back Gadsen-Flag guy its been a while since ive seen you on the board.


 No.603602

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>>603155

just like the vietnamese with their invasion of cambodia right? nothing but sectarian murderers.

Remember to support Israel. After all, the PLO, PFLP, Hamas, Hizbollah - sectarian murderers the lot of them.

fucking sab-cucks


 No.603804

>>603602

Trotskyists please catch an icepick


 No.603827

>>603804

don't you have pinkertons to run from you fucking anachronism?


 No.603832

>>603827

Go back to your Trotskyist state that lasted for any amount of time.


 No.603833

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>>603827

A reminder that Ramón Mercader was no less than an agent of God for killing the revolution's greatest traitor.


 No.603835

>>603827

>Trotskyist

>calling me an anachronism

You're the reason we got cracked down on.


 No.603862

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>>603832

>as if the ussr could have survived the civil war without trotsky's acumen

>>603833

> an agent of God

pretty spooky comrade

>>603835

>not because of the german gold funding you


 No.603865

>>603862

*military acumen


 No.604997

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I'm going to put my foot down right here, none of you American faggots get a say in judging the IRA

none of you have anything important to say, none of you have anything insightful to say, everything I head from you fucks about the IRA is factually wrong and thoroughly driven by agenda even though you have nothing to gain or lose from their success or failures

same goes for you brits


 No.605050

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 No.605055

>>603159

RSF are the political wing of the RIRA, so no than you.


 No.605060

>>604997

[spoiler]Cá bhfuil tú i do chónaí, a chara?

Ar mhaith leat déanamh eagrú le chéile?[/spoiler]


 No.605066

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>>604997

>MFW anglo hate

Mijn negers.

>>605060

taco taco use type between **


 No.605067

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>>604997

Guess what, faggot, I get all my information on the IRA from people in Northern Ireland. You don't get to tell me I'm not allowed to have an opinion on anything. The IRA are dogshit sectarian murderers.

>Brits don't get to judge the IRA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London#Irish_republican_attacks_during_.22the_Troubles.22


 No.605069

>>605067

1. What "IRA" do they speak of?

2. What are their political affiliations?


 No.605071

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>>605067

>sectarian


 No.605074

>>605071

and Hitler said he was a socialist, so what?


 No.605075

>>605067

>all dat liberal moralising


 No.605079

>>605069

1. Provisional/Real IRA mostly.

2. Craic.

>>605075

Nice rebuttal, faggot, did your mom write it for you?


 No.605080


 No.605083

>>605079

So you're more or less admitting to being a liberal. You might be on the wrong board, son. "Left" doesn't mean what you think it does.


 No.605084

>>605080

>British soldiers committed atrocities

>That means we're totally justified in committing atrocities of our own!

THEMMUNS!


 No.605085

>>605084

>Britain committed invasion

>IRA committed self defence.

Pretty much that simple m8


 No.605086

>>605085

The IRA mostly killed civilians and its own people. It was never engaged in anything that could be called "self defense."

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/omagh-bomb-seamus-daly-appears-in-court-accused-of-29-murders-34485221.html


 No.605087

>>605074

Irish republicanism was founded on the idea of opposing sectarianism with the aim of creating a republic in which all Irish people regardless of denomination would be equal. Its leadership was composed of men of different denominations. That's entirely different from Hitler appending the name "socialist" to a right-wing party in an attempt to solicit working class votes.


 No.605091

>>605086

So they had a poor campaign strategy.

I repeat, the British had no legitimate reason to be there, so really I have no sympathy for their supporters


 No.605092

>>605091

"The altar of liberty totters when it is cemented only with blood." - Daniel O'Connell

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/02/09/these-5-ira-atrocities-will-make-you-feel-so-old/


 No.605093

>>605086

>Belfast Telegraph

That's owned by INM, which is owned by the notorious Denis O'Brien, porky extraordinaire.

He has a media monopoly in Éire, amongst other things.

>The Moriarty Tribunal's second and final report found that Michael Lowry, Ireland's then energy and communications minister, assisted O'Brien in his bid to secure a mobile phone contract for Esat Digifone, a key foundation of O'Brien's personal wealth. The tribunal found that this happened after Lowry received a $50,000 payment from O'Brien via a circuitous route involving a complex arrangement of third parties and offshore accounts. It said that it was "beyond doubt" that Lowry gave "substantive information to Denis O'Brien, of significant value and assistance to him in securing the [mobile] licence" during at least two meetings between the two.[29][30] The Tribunal was not a court of law; its findings were "legally sterile".

>On 15 October 2011, Today FM confirmed Sam Smyth's Sunday radio show was being dropped. He had been presenting it for 14 years. Smyth had previously offended his bosses by commenting in a newspaper and on television about Today FM's owner O'Brien's involvement in the Moriarty Tribunal. Smyth said on air the next morning that he had been told not to talk about the end of his show and stopped one of his guests from talking about it too "before someone comes downstairs and pulls a wire we better move onto something else."


 No.605099

>>605092

You're posting that ironically, right? WWN is 100% satirical, and that article is making fun of idiots like you.


 No.605100

>>605092

are you just going to keep completely ignoring the fact that the British has no reason to be there and therefore are quite deserved of atrocities, I mean AT LEAST as much as the Irish people were at the hands of the black and tans for example. What are you supposed to do when invaded? Bend over?

I bet you think Iraq was for muh demogracy too kek


 No.605102

>>605092

Daniel O' Connell was a vehement right-winger who thought trade unions were a blight on the poor bosses.

>>605086

Completely false. Even if you ascribe random, unclaimed killings to the Provos the majority of their victims were still members of the British security forces.

http://www.cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/book/index.html#append


 No.605105

>>605092

oh and there is nothing i repeat NOTHING on this earth that has not been cemented with blood. Nothing.


 No.605106

>>605099

I know it's satire. Unfortunately it's making fun of you.

>1993… I Will Always Love You was in the charts, Jurassic Park was on the screens, and the IRA were blowing up Warrington, in England. Can you believe it’s been 23 years since this attack did nothing to advance the cause? The two kids caught in the blast would have been 26 and 35 now, if they hadn’t been killed!

Definitely sympathetic to the PIRA.

>>605100

The IRA murder civilians and are nothing more than common criminals that point to murals to justify murdering civilians.

The PIRA killed more Irish people during the Troubles than the British Army did.


 No.605108

>>605106

The British murder civilians and are nothing more than common criminals that point to …..what is it they point to again?…. to justify murdering civilians.

>The PIRA killed more Irish people during the Troubles than the British Army did.

The right and wrong of a conflict can be summed up by one simple number…. to which you have provided on source anyway


 No.605110

>>605102

>Total British Forces Killed: 1,013

>Total Killed by IRA: 1,822

>Total Civilians Killed: 809

Anything for the revolution, eh comrade? Dogshit sectarian murderers.

>>605108

I never said I supported the British, you dipshit. The RUC and UVF are just as guilty as the IRA.


 No.605111

>>605106

>Definitely sympathetic to the PIRA.

Let's just say I know things you don't.

:^)


 No.605113

>>605108

>>605110

Oh, and >>605102 kindly provided a source. 183 civilians killed by the British (probably mostly on Bloody Sunday), the IRA killed 809.

>>605111

👍


 No.605130

>>605113

so, security forces, so de facto british people


 No.605132

>>605130

The IRA killed 809 civilians, so Irish people. They killed 1,013 security forces.


 No.605141

>>605132

and how many did the British kill and for what reason.


 No.605145

>>605141

I told you. the British killed 183+3 civilians. As for what reason:

Shot while in immediate vicinity of gun battle with Republican paramilitary forces 13

Killed while in immediate vicinity of street disturbances 26

Killed by special undercover units because mistaken for Republican paramilitary forces 7

Killed during altercation with British Forces patrol 10

Killed by rubber or plastic bullet * 16

Shot while engaged in criminal activity ** 30

No obvious pattern of circumstances and/or reason for killing unknown 84

Total 186


 No.605149

Shot while in immediate vicinity of gun battle with Republican paramilitary forces 13

Killed while in immediate vicinity of street disturbances 26

Killed by special undercover units because mistaken for Republican paramilitary forces 7

Killed during altercation with British Forces patrol 10

but for what reason were the british involved in irish street disturbances and altercations?


 No.605153

>>605149

Northern Ireland voted to remain part of the United Kingdom, buddy. Your sectarian rhetoric is not accepted there.


 No.605161

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>>605084

>British soldiers committed atrocities

>That means we're totally justified in committing atrocities of our own!

>implying they're not justified…

wew lad


 No.605165

>>605153

>bourgeois democracy

also james connolly was a wobbly faggot


 No.605166

>>605153

Northern Ireland was also gerrymandered to hell so it would vote that way.


 No.605167

>>605165

sorry that was meant to be

>also james connolly was a wobbly, faggot


 No.605169

>>605161

Justify them then faggot.

>>605165

>>605167

So what? Connolly said 'the female is the slave of the slave,' so he was idpol. He was murdered, that doesn't make murdering in his name righteous.


 No.605199

post the thing that shows the irish supreme court judges and heads ofbanks


 No.605270

>>604997

just like men shouldn't have an opinion on feminism amirite men?


 No.605272

>>605153

and the united kingdom voted for the Conservatives. Guess that makes it the right decision.


 No.605286

>>605169

Connolly was a committed marxist. He certainly wasn't idpol. Throughout the time that he was politically active he stressed the need for an internationalist workers struggle and the primacy of the class struggle over even the national struggle, and consequently succeeded in many cases in uniting both catholic and protestant layers of the Irish proletariat. For example, throughout the 1913 Dublin lockout, he repeatedly appealed to the class solidarity of all British workers:

> "Perhaps they will see that the landlord who >grinds his peasants on a Connemara estate, >and the landlord who rack-rents them in a >Cowgate slum, are brethren in fact and deed. >Perhaps they will realise that the Irish worker >who starves in an Irish cabin and the Scots >worker who is poisoned in an Edinburgh garret >are brothers with one hope and destiny." (C.D. >Greaves, James Connolly, p. 61.)

Another famous quote from Connolly:

>If you remove the English Army tomorrow and >hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle., >unless you set about the organization of the >Socialist Republic your efforts will be in vain. >England will still rule you. She would rule you >through her capitalists, through her landlords, >through her financiers, through the whole array >of commercial and individualist institutions >she has planted in this country and watered >with the tears of our mothers and the blood of >our martyrs.

Connolly was an excellent Marxist and any claim that his political activity was motivated by idpol is ignorance at best and intellectual dishonesty at worst. Faggot.

Also if you think that that quote demonstrates idpol on connolly's part you need to actually read some Marx. For instance, in The Holy Family, he quotes Fourier:

>The change in a historical epoch can always >be determined by the progress of women >toward freedom, because in the relation of >woman to man, of the weak to the strong, the >victory of human nature over brutality is most >evident. The degree of emancipation of >woman is the natural measure of general >emancipation.

While in The German Ideology, Marx and Engels write:

>The nucleus, the first form of [property] lies in >the family, where wife and children are slaves >of the husband. This latent slavery in the >family, though still very crude, is the first >property …

Recognising that issues such as the generally disadvantaged position of women in society are part of the superstructure which emerges from capitalism (indeed, the modern family structure that gives rise to these phenomena constitutes a part of the material base of capitalist society!) is not idpol. What is crucial is the recognition that issues like the socioeconomic position of women are part of the superstructure which emerges (in the last analysis) from capitalism and as such can only be solved by the utter upheaval of the present economic base of society (ie capitalism). It is to suggest other wise that is idpol, which is not what connolly was doing.

Another issue entirely is the fact that Connolly's image was co-opted by nationalists, completely ignoring the class-based nature of his political activity and using it to defend idpol nationalist terrorism. There's no marxist defence of that, but you can hardly blame connolly for it. A similar process is described by lenin in The State and Revolution:

>After their death, attempts are made to >convert them into harmless icons, to canonize >them, so to say, and to hallow their names to >a certain extent for the “consolation” of the >oppressed classes and with the object of >duping the latter, while at the same time >robbing the revolutionary theory of its >substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and >vulgarizing it.


 No.605289

>>605286

fuk i fuked that one right up didnt i


 No.605437

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>>605153

>voting


 No.605492

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 No.605649

>>605437

Political power helps when starting a revolution, or you could at least get more leftists to be pro-gun.


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>>605153

>muh gerrymandered sectarian statelet voted to stay

Such a question can only be decided on an all-island basis.

>>605145

>muh statistics

Comradely reminder that Irish republicans were the superior fighting force.

Roughly 35% of all deaths caused by republicans were civilians.

About 50% of all deaths caused by the british security forces were civilians.

Of deaths caused by loyalists about 85% were civilians.

>>605169

you are fucking insane. lenin respected connolly.

the first country to recognize the irish republic proclaimed in 1916: soviet russia.

connolly was present at the founding convention of the IWW.

the man left school to work full-time at age 11. joined the british army at 14 and served 7 years which he detested. He organized and was politically active in three different countries.

he was also one of the few of the second international to stand firm in opposition to WWI.

but yeah totally idpol.


 No.605753

>>605750

>>605750

the Russian SFSR recognized the Irish Repubic in 1918


 No.605758

>>605169

>recognizing the dismal position of the female sex in the 18th century is idpol

>aka "I've never read any engels please rape my face"

>Connolly is idpol

/leftypol/ was a mistake


 No.605834

Out of curiosity, is anyone here actually Irish?


 No.605839

>>603602

>I will """""""critically support""""""" anyone who goes against the U.S. or Europe, no matter how reactionary or fundamentalist

Watch more RT

>>605080

>1920 IRA = 1971 IRA


 No.605861

>ITT:Defending Nazi Synthesisers

We /pol/ now?


 No.605868

>>605169

>>605839

>>605861

>people have no idea who the IRA are

>wholly believe British propaganda

No wonder you fucking idiots are clueless on so much else.


 No.605869

>>605055

They are linked with the Continuity Irish Republican Army, not the RIRA. Both RSF and CIRA support Eire Nua or a Federal Ireland.

The real problem with the IRA is that they split just as much as Trots do now a days.


 No.605875

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>>605868

>Attack Briton during WWII

>Not Nazi Synthesisers

U wot.


 No.605914

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Ha! Emerald Empire BTFO.


 No.605918

>>605914

I love to jump on the Emerald Empire meme as much as anyone, but if that tweet isn't being sarcastic then mad/10

I mean, what next? Palestinian festivals are anti-semetic?


 No.605923

>>605914

>>605918

Literally enslaved for 750 years in our own country; with several genocide attempts, penal laws, and this is our reparations.

If "leftists" continue on hating me for the colour of my skin, I'm afraid I have no choice. I'm never going to support porkies like Trump, but I'm definitely not going to die for racists.


 No.606008

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>>605914

>Rothberg


 No.606013

>>605923

What does St Patrick's day have to do with skin color?


 No.606014

>>605914

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/67779067/we-need-to-endstpatricksday

https://twitter.com/allirothberg

https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndStPatricksDay?src=hash

How do we fight back against these /pol/ raids? Its so unnerving and discouraging because people keep falling for them and thinking they are real :(

<.<

>>605923

its fake. We need to make like, a /pol/ raid awareness campaign.


 No.606015

>>605918

>Palestinian festivals are anti-semetic?

Most American neocons actually do believe that anything even indirectly related to Muslims is oy vey anuddah shoah.


 No.606017


 No.606021

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>>606017

A single twitter account and an Opinion Piece from some insignificant Student Magazine in Canada is meant to be proof that this is a huge movement or something?

Why do we allow shit like this to go on without people speaking out against it? Why do we allow fascists to lie and decieve the public and shroud people's eyes with Identity Politics and spooks?

This is ridiculous, i'm tired of enabling this shit.

Here's Azusa, with blonde hair.


 No.606024

>>606021

>he probably thought I wouldn't fact check :)


 No.606025

>>606021

>Why do we allow shit like this to go on without people speaking out against it? Why do we allow fascists to lie and decieve the public and shroud people's eyes with Identity Politics and spooks?

It's not a case of you guys allowing it. It is more that 90% of the time there is some self-hating libtard who actually supports the ideas false-flagged by /pol/. It's not /pol/'s fault that libtards are dumb.


 No.606026

>>606014

>>606017

>>606021

>>606024

This """Irish""" SJW is a """historian""" who identifies as Anglo-Irish (British) has devoted his life to destroying the """myth""" that Irish people were enslaved re-tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/father/status/710248766855471104

https://twitter.com/Limerick1914


 No.606028

>>606025

That is true, but its sad. What can we do about that? It is disheartening, I feel like we're losing :(

>>606026

>Anglo-Irish, historical revistionist.

Those types are actually right-wing conservatives, monarchists.


 No.606034

>>606028

They have the shared agenda of downplaying the Irish peoples' suffering.

Him because it's trendy, they because then we have "no excuse to remain independent".

Fine Gael, the Tory-affiliated party has become increasingly socially liberal in the past 3 decades so it makes no difference. It's doubtful that this guy is anyways class-conscious from my own anecdotal experience.


 No.606082

>>606034

>Fine Gael, the Tory-affiliated party has become increasingly socially liberal in the past 3 decades so it makes no difference. It's doubtful that this guy is anyways class-conscious from my own anecdotal experience.

Sounds a lot like the Liberal Party in Australia. Classcucks are still classcucks, monarchists are still monarchists.


 No.609642

>>605060

Loch Gorman, mo chara


 No.609647

>>605153

>Northern Ireland voted to remain part of the United Kingdom, buddy

lolno




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