/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

I would personally vote Yes. If Russia, as a country, has any sense, they'll recognize Ukraine's right to engage in whatever international organizations that they want. We shouldn't turn the Ukrainians away simply because we're afraid of Russia's paper tiger.

Part of the agreement has already been put into practice, the referendum talks more specifically about cultural and political support from the EU.

You can define the yes- and no-arguments as follows;

* against the agreement

- Ukraine is a country divided into two parts with one being loyal to Russia, the other hangs towards the EU. As the agreement with count for the entire country it will increase internal struggles.

- Ukraine's political stance is, compared with most EU countries towards the far right and their still is the fascist Azov-battalion with at least some ties to political parties.

- It will decrease the already fragile and frustrated relationship with Russia and especially Putin.

- It might be the first stip towards Ukraine joining the EU. Which is also interesting because the country can be used against Russia and contains Europe's third largest amount of schale gas.

* voting in support of the agreement

- It will help the pro-EU part of Ukraine on various levels of support, especially since the pro-Russia part is more of less supported by Russian political elements.

* It means taking an active stance against the practices of Russia which many Europeans disagree with and will most likely have the support of countries with a strong anti-Russian bias such as Poland and Estonia.

* Increasing trade and political connections within Europe will strenghen relationships and might be helpful for a more peaceful country.

* If you believe that expanding the EU is a good thing, especially in relation to Russia and Putin.

>>607474

I thought so too, but leftist opponents of the associative agreement call it a neoliberal agreement which forbids Ukraine to provide government involvement in certain things and say that it is mainly good for multinationals and bad for most people.

The Socialist Party in my country is opposed to the agreement. The Labour Party (socdem, but a little bit neoliberal) doesn't oppose the agreement.

I honestly don't know fam.

>>607485

The SP opposes it mainly on neoliberalist grounds as connections between the US and Ukrainian Gas Boards have already been established around 2014 and many view this specifically as geopolitics and not something we do to help the people there.

Labour however has lost virtually all of their decency of the past few years and nowadays more or less consistenly supports the neoliberal VVD on most points and therefore also this agreement.

From an ideological PIV, none.

Ukraine right now is basically the battlground of two imperialist forces looking for more markets and loot, it wont make much of a difference to support the EU or the Russians here.

From a tactical POV, I would say supporting the EU is right now the best option, but I dont really have arguments for it.

>>607473

I think this can be helpful:

https://southfront.org/foreign-policy-diary-dutch-eu-ukraine-association-agreement-referendum/

http://piratetimes.net/three-pirates-speak-on-the-dutch-referendum/

*off topic question, how do you flow the socialist flag after your name

>>607485

I guess I should read up on it a little more instead of passing judgement, but honestly, I think we need to be pragmatic about this. I can stomach some porky action if it furthers interests in Ukraine.

>>607502

>show post options & limits

>select dropdown

>socialist

>>607473

Forgot one:

https://voorstem.nl/nl/

[in dutch only]

>>607512

Thanks

>>607473

I wouldn't support the Neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine.

>>607473

Vote Yes, EU over Russian cleptocracy all day everyday

>>607474

This is the EU we're talking about however. Not only is it evil, it will collapse soon, and thus bring Ukraine down with it, even if by not much

vote No OP. Make them really pissed off

>>607473

No. Ukraine belongs to Russia.

>>607640

This

No.

Both Ukraine and Russia are fascist neo liberal states, however Ukraine should pay for it's anti communist and pro fascism.

Vote against.

>>608136

Russia's government isn't neo-liberal. They're 4thers / Eurasianists (Fourth Political Theory), as championed by Alexander Dugin.

>The book declares that "the battle for the world rule of [ethnic] Russians" has not ended and Russia remains "the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution." The Eurasian Empire will be constructed "on the fundamental principle of the common enemy: the rejection of Atlanticism, strategic control of the USA, and the refusal to allow liberal values to dominate us."

>Hoover Institution senior fellow John B. Dunlop stated that "the impact of this intended 'Eurasianist' textbook on key Russian elites testifies to the worrisome rise of fascist ideas and sentiments during the late Yeltsin and the Putin period."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

>>608188

No, Russia is neo liberal. That's why all the national resources are privatised and Russia has biggest wealth inequality in the world (remember that Russia has no industry, all the rich people became rich trought selling natural resources)

And fourth political theory (wich is just buzzword) Is not even a thing, Dugin is not president of Russia, Russia is owned by bunch of oligarchs.

ITT: A bunch of kremlin-backed shills that should kill themselves.

Ukrainian here. We have no neo-Nazi government as is the common katsap-shill narrative, but instead have a kleptocracy that runs on a VERY weakened Liberal-Conservative Democracy.

People who say Ukraine is Fascist are themselves open supporters of Putin, who is objectively a de facto Fascist dictator, despite de jure being a "National Conservative".

OP, vote Yes.

>>608210

I'm glad we have a Ukrainian to hear his side of things.

And yeah, sorry comrade, but we in the west don't really know shit about the Ukraine in detail.

Could you give us a reason why we should vote Yes? I'm also a cheesehead and from my understanding a vote Yes would essentially just tie you up the EU for exploitation and political cuckolding, whilst a vote No would spare you this but instead leave you to the sharks (Russia), but at least without EU obligations. I don't feel like there's a better choice from what I understand and it feels like a pick your poison kind of situation, so what do you know that I don't know? Am I right in my image of the situation or not?

>>608237

>any nationalism used to quell capitalism is instantly fascism

Fuck off. Throwing around "fascism" like a buzzword without actually looking at what is required for something to be fascistic is retarded. This is why the Ukrainian guy can't take you seriously.

>>608210

You and your Jewish oligarch masters (with their own private Neo-Nazi armies) should kill yourselves.

They will bring Donbass to the streets of Kiev whether you like it or not, murderer.

>>608248

Nigger, pic related is my(and should be everyone else) definition of fascism.

I made my case.

>>608254

>"capitalism in decay" is the definition of fascism

You're a mongoloid. "Fascism is capitalism in decay" was a figure of speech used by Lenin to explain that, as capitalism falters, fascism rises. It doesn't mean that any capitalist economy shitting itself is instantly fascistic, even if it starts flirting with nationalism. Fascism is characterized by very specific things, of which the most important are:

>Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

>Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

>Supremacy of the Military

>Obsession with National Security

>Religion and Government are Intertwined

>Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

The Ukraine currently merely touches on a few of these, and only a little. It is not fascist by any means.

If you want a modern example of a fascist nation, look at the DPRK. If you still don't get it, please kill yourself.

>>608227

EU also gives you some rights, and pushes towards anti corruption legislation. Far better than tp entrench the current plutocratic mafia state with Russia support.

>>607640

There is no such thing as a neo-nazi regime anywhere in Europe. There are some neo-nazi parties which try to influence the government as is the case in most of post-communist Europe, but the government itself is in no way neo-nazi.

What it is is corrupt and serving only itself and certain outside interests. Before it was serving Russian interests now it is serving Western corporate interests.

What it needs is to shake any outside influence and focus on serving the common Ukrainians who need help desperately. However I think becoming closer to the EU is better than nothing, since it may force the government to become more responsible and transparent.

>>608253

This post right here is an excellent summary of the schizophrenia of the average Putin supporter.

I don't think I've ever murdered anyone. That's something a person would remember.

>>608312

This entire post is correct.

The EU is far from perfect, but aligning with it is infinitely better than aligning with the fascist "Eurasian Economic Union".

I am voting yes.

>>608380

*want to vote, still cant believe i dont have voting rights

>>608386

You underage

Also, what does your name refer to.

I would vote yes.

If you support the Ukrainian struggle and revolution then you should allow them to achieve their original goal which was to enter into an economic relationship with the EU.

Unless there is some kind of massive economic implication that I am unaware of that could some how hurt you then this is what you should do.

>>608227

>what do you know that I don't know? Am I right in my image of the situation or not?

You're correct in your analysis, completely.

We'd rather be cucked by EU than live under this merciless degree of corruption, all of which is still better than the violent kleptocracy of being with russia.

Historically, this is what russia did to us:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Ukraine

That's pretty much a cultural genocide.

Being on our own, faced with our oligarchs, is just asking for russian chauvinist imperialism.

>>608409

Additionally, it's pretty much like not offering protection to a rape victim who is forced to live right beside their rapist.

>>608420

>>608409

If it was legitimate cultural genocide, the Ukraine would have ways to shut that whole thing down.

>>608427

Pro-tip: using the definite article (the) is reserved for regions of empires, owned territories, and countries whose names end with a common noun.

Ukraine is a state that does not belong to any other states and is therefore simple Ukraine.

>would have ways to shut that whole thing down.

As annexed territory in the 17th to 19th century, it had no means of doing so. It was under the oppressive thumb of the russian Empire.

Consider that before this, it was raped by the Polish—Lithuanian Commonwealth, to the extent that there was a request to be annexed by the Muscovites in the 1650's (from which an even worse oppression began).

Bad luck, I guess.

>>608431

>You enjoy mud digging that much? I've been to friesland, there is fuck all to do.

Like I've said, culture (and especially Friesian culture) is just a spook and I don't give a shit about it at all.

Ukrainian defense force versus putins troll army in this thread. Nice.

>>608425

>Isn't it kind of spooky to give any fucks about things like culture, though?

Obviously no culture should be viewed in a romantic light, however, defending what russia did is to defend the core of imperialism, which goes against the tenets of being a person of the Left.

>>608274

Ukraine touches most of these.

It is poor and corrupt country that constantly scapegoats everthyng on others while somehow maintaining a strong nationalism.

>>608434

Don't worry, we don't have any culture left here in randstad.

>>608437

I think I know my country a little better than you do.

>that constantly scapegoats everthyng on others

Garbage & nonsense; but, what can one expect from a paid shill?

Ask your kremlin-backed English teacher at Olgino to teach you how to use articles, katsap.

Everyone ITT should be aware of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolls_from_Olgino

>>608436

So is the cultural genocide livable or in any way noticeable in an annoying or intruding way? Does it really matter or are people getting worked up over very little?

>>608437

It does touch on them, but it isn't fascist. Most western European countries reacted to the 2008 crisis (and its ongoing aftermath which is going on right now) in the exact same way and they're not fascist.

>>608453

>Ethnicities

>Cultures

Spooky af mate

>>608453

THis is /leftypol/, not /pol/. Really think anyone care's about spooks like ethnicity?

Read Marx,working class has no boders.

>>608449

If Ukraine was Fascist, we would have economic Corporatism, policies based on Integral Nationalism, Totalitarianism, Autarky, meritocracy, class collaboration, and not a hint of kleptocracy would remain, as major industries that are privatised today would immediately be nationalised.

Today you learned: the core tenets of Fascism; you're free to google it yourself.

Note: Not an advocacy of Fascist positions.

>>608455

>>608456

Those wouldn't matter if there was no psychotic imperialist neighbour living right beside you, who treats you like a second-class citizen on the merit of your ethnicity, which was what happened when Ukraine was under the russian empire—they called us Malorossi: Lesser Russians, though they think saying "Little Russians" makes everything okay.

>>608458

I clearly stated that Ukraine is failed fascist state.

Poor and corrupt country scapegoating everthyng on others to promote nationalism.

Not all capitalist countries are like USA, not all fascist countries are like Axis nations.

>>608462

That's still nonsense, because no Fascism was attempted in any way.

The constitution, and you can read it yourself, is entirely Liberal Democratic.

>>608461

Well wellcome to /leftypol/ then, I suppose?

Here we usually oppose imperialism.

But try to ovoid spooks of your own.

>>608462

>scapegoating everthyng on others to promote nationalism

Nationalism in eastern Europe stems from anti-russian paranoia or russian monetary support, nothing beyond that. Get rid of russian imperialism and local nationalism will start losing its power as well

>>608495

Seriously all it takes is some class unity.

ALL IT TAKES IS JUST UNITE!! SURE NOT ALL PROBLEMS WILL JUST MAGICALY GO AWAY BUT UNITING AND GETTING RID OF SHIT LIKE IMPERIALISM IS NICE FUCKING START!!!

>>608502

It's not that easy.

Financial incentive is always stronger than ideology.

>>608453

You forget the part wherea after rebelion against the Poles 'your people' themselfs asked to join Russian Empire to receive their protection.

>>608576

No, I didn't forget that.

It was actually Bogdan Khmelnitskiy and his government that made this decision, because the Poles abused Ruthenians (the original name of Ukrainians) to the extent that we rebelled against them and joined the nearest possible empire for protection, only to be subjected to worse abuse.

>>608587

Naive statement, on your part.

I'm sure you'd think the same, living in a country that's at risk of being destroyed by a neighbouring imperialist state with a history of trying to kill you on the merit of your ethnicity.

>>608588

This is story your fascist schools tell you to promote nationalism to scapegoat your goverments failures?

I mean the Tsar was peace of shit who deserved to die and Russian Empire was shithole, but how the fuck is this shit related to 21st century? Why hate country bassed on stuff that happened years before you were born?

>>608594

Russia is third world country on the bring of another revoliution, stop whinning/

>>608600

>This is story your fascist schools tell you to promote nationalism to scapegoat your goverments failures?

The irony is that you, a russian, are living in a Fascist state: russia.

> Why hate country bassed on stuff that happened years before you were born?

Because you russians are still imperialists who believe we literally belong to you.

>Russia is third world country on the bring of another revoliution, stop whinning/

Give back Crimea, leave Donbas, and take out all the FSB out of our SBU.

SLAV FIGHT SLAV FIGHT SLAV FIGHT

>>608600

That's not a "fascist story", that's history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pereyaslav_Agreement

>>608605

Jesus Wept, see my other fucking posts I have said many times that both Russia and Ukraine are the fucking same. Both poor, corupt, fascistic a-holes which blame each other for their missery.

>>608611

So? Your link only proves what I said, THAT UKRAINIANS ASKED TO JOIN RUSSIAN EMPIRE.

>>608609

Nah. It's just a bunch of paid katsap shills, subhumans on the merit of who they are as individuals, whose job it is to sustain what is actually Racist anti-Ukrainian sentiment on every possible corner of the internet.

>>608616

Bullshit. We're not a Fascist state by the definition of what Fascism is.

You are, on the other hand.

>THAT UKRAINIANS ASKED TO JOIN RUSSIAN EMPIRE.

Yeah, and then they were abused after:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Ukraine

>>608622

>We're not a Fascist state

By leftist definition you are.

>You are, on the other hand.

Are you mentally ill? My every fucking post I admit that Russia is imperialistic fascis state. EVERY SINGLE POST I SAID THAT RUSSIA IS FASCIST. EVERY. SINGLE.ONE!!

>Posting wiki

What else are you gonna say? That Communism killed quatrazilion??

>>608637

I think you need to успокойся, and not be so нервнобольной.

>By leftist definition you are.

That's a nonsense statement. "Leftism" doesn't change the definition of Fascism taught in Political Science.

>Posting wiki

A very weak attempt on your part of denying the crimes your people did, and continue to do, to my people.

>What else are you gonna say? That Communism killed quatrazilion??

Communism didn't do it, but your government and Stalinism did, certainly.

>>608685

Oh, I'm sure it "discredits everything" I said. ;)

>>608686

That's completely irrelevant.

>>608690

Nice that you finally admit it.

>>608690

It is. You have almost no proof to prove anything wrong communism ever did, while it is pretty clear that crapitalist Ukraine is dying.

>>608699

>Nice that you finally admit it.

Apparently in russia, sarcasm does not exist. I learned something new today.

>You have almost no proof to prove anything wrong communism ever did

Holodomor. You owe us SO MUCH in reparations for centuries of oppression.

>>608703

>holodohoax

Back to /pol/

>>608710

>genocide denial

typical katsap farm animal.

>>608710

>Even engaging in using genocide as a shield or denying supposed genocide

>>608711

Prove holodohax happened

Prove it was genocide

and then we will talk.

>>608712

>Holodohoax

>Real event

Nigger, that person is telling fairy tales.

>>608712

Seriously, if you believe in holodohoax, go back to /pol/

>>608713

>>608715

>>608719

Russians denying a genocide their country committed.

You'd do it again, if given the chance.

>>608723

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with?? Are you fucking mutant from chernobyl? It's leftist board, of course I will deny genocide attributed to communism, just how I will deny any other trash said about any other left wing event.

And why the fuck do you still call me Russian? I told you quatrazilion times Russia is a fascist state. Go back to /pol/ dumbass.

>>608728

Except Ukraine isn't Fascist, and Fascism has a strict definition.

>>608731

Here you go again, defending your pathetic state. If you are fucking nationalist go back to /pol/.

>>608731

I know it has. And I know that neither Russia nor Ukraine are fascist countries.

>>608729

I didn't realise, russian, that you were religious in your so-called "Leftism".

It's amusing, because you're actually an imperialist and a nazi.

Your grammar mistakes, by the way, give you away.

>>608733

My state has integrity, and will continue to exist as long as possible in defence against murderous states like yours.

>>608735

Under Putin, Russia is, in practice, Fascist.

It runs on economic Corporatism, Irredentism, Ultranationalism, Reactionary politics, and makes great use of "Palingenetic Ultranationalism" and National Myths to distract its population, itself fuelled by proto-Nazi cultural elements, from the fact that they're being fucked over daily by kleptocrats.

>>608737

Simply put, I don't give a fuck about Russia and I would prefer the concept of state to whiter away. The rest of your whinny bulshit is completely illogical projection. I have said many times that I don't care about shit like 'state'

>My state has integrity

>state

>integrity

Autistic spooks. If you are nationalist, please go back to pol.

>>608755

It must be part of your Olgino training manual, katsap, to engage in Whataboutism whenever you're cornered.

Stalin, by the way, was a Red Fascist, so it's nice that you're this honest about your National Bolshevism :^).

>>608710

>>608719

>implying /pol/ aren't massive Putincucks who fully embrace the Russian party line

You're being willfully dishonest at this point.

>>608762

If you didn't care about your beloved russia, you would not have been this emotionally invested.

You likely would have, instead, agreed with me that my people are owed compensation for the historical oppression committed by the russians.

>>608776

reeeee hotwheels fix this site

>>608785

A russian's "How To: Avoid Genocide Reparations".

>>608774

>>608784

>Russia = Brazil

Get more triggered pollyp

>>608774

as in emotionaly invested in calling in fascist state?

>You likely would have, instead, agreed with me that my people are owed compensation for the historical oppression committed by the russians.

Why the fuck would I give a fuck about something that happened before I was born. Not to mention that I have admited that Russian Empire was evil. See >>608600

Seriously, you are some kind of fucking retarted mutant. I admited that Russian Empire was evil, I admit that Russia today is fascist. I am not fucking nationalist, I am Marxist, I believe in class war, not nationalism like you, you fucking dumbass. you are the one crying about how great your little fascist shithole is.

>>608786

Fuck off, nazi.

>>608788

>be russian

>get paid to say a bunch of nonsense on the internet

>pretend to be Brazilian if something doesn't go as planned

Don't spend your whole paycheck on vodka, tovarisch vatnik.

>>608786

Seriously, do your home work. Most of use here don't believe in fake shit like ethnicity or nationalism.

Learn who Max Stirner is and what term 'spook' means. Or go back to pol, nazi.

>>608793

This is raid from /pol/ right??

>>608790

>>608794

You should gobble Dugin's balls a little less, since you've been the only Nazi here the entire time.

>>608793

>be Ukrainian

>blame russia

>get shot

>die of hunger

>everyone in the internet is a russian spy

>get shot

top jej

>>608799

Pro-tip: There's no gun violence here in Kiev. Food's abundant and cheap.

>>608798

Nice fucking projection, nazi. If I was into Dugins nonsense, would I admit that Russia is fascist??

You are the only nationalistic fascist who cares about nonsense like state here.

>>608801

Go back to /pol/ nazi.

Just here to plug this good documentary about the recent uprising in Ukraine

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4908644/

>>608803

>everything I disagree with is /pol/

Some articles from the Socialist Party here why they are against the agreement.

https://international.sp.nl/nieuws/2016/03/harry-van-bommel-a-yes-vote-in-the-ukraine-referendum-will-cost-us-money

https://international.sp.nl/nieuws/2016/03/launch-of-referendum-campaign-no-is-3-times-better

I swear this 'Ukrainian' is just /pol/ bait. You faggots actually fell for it, even though guy is fucking entrenched in spooky shit.

>>607473

Don't vote, both sides are shit. Your masters will choose anyway.

>>609232

The Kremlin-bots seem to really like alternative history. We all watched Euromadian unfold via live streams, we all followed the news. This is just blatant propaganda, and you should be ashamed for supporting a reactionary country like Russia. You're not a leftist at all.

>>609325

Euromaidan was still full of fascists though.

>>609036

Nope. All kinds of leftists are wellcomed here. Meanwhile, fascists like you belong on /pol/.

>>609325

Everything I disagree with is kremlin bot. Even if it's a leftist board and I am a nationalistic fascist.

>>609232

>>609333

Picking sides between two major imperialist powers in a geopolitical struggle is a thing that only devides and brings nothing good for leftists, we should support the people. Russia is the biggest far right supporter in Europe, started a war, supports corruption. While the EU atleast pretends to care about corruption and democracy. Some Russian client mafia-state will never have any revolutionary potential.

Also nationalism not even once.

>>608312

>the government itself is in no way neo-nazi.

Of course not, but in the case of Ukraine fascist militias became government-approved paramilitary groups, integrated into the Ukrainian armed forces, and fascists have a legitimate presence in Ukraine's parliament, albeit small. What's more fascists aren't all collected into a few groups, like Azov Battalion, but spread all over the place, and inevitably some are being trained by foreign advisers from NATO.

To a certain extent I think European leaders, no matter how porky they are, have learned to keep fascists on a short leash; they're useful up to a point, savaging approved opponents but should in no way access the levers of power personally like it was with Hitler being made Chancellor.

>>607473

Before you vote, read Richard Sakwa's account of the events which have lead to this point: http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=253B9CAC76828D2B6B958A0675529821

I would vote against it for the simple reason the eastward march of the EU and NATO has a lot to do with the current morass and heightening of tensions in the east. Why make things worse?

Voting against it doesn't make you pro-Putin, don't fall for that stupid dichotomy. Real life is more complicated.

>>607510

Ukraines president is a woman from Chicago.

>>609385

You gave yourself away as a paid shill by the Odessa 2014 narrative. Russian propagandists are the only ones reporting it, mainly because the original act was one committed by Russian saboteurs, to try and discredit the anti-Yanukovich crowd.

But, good luck with your future attempts at discrediting Ukraine. You won't get anywhere, but I wish you the best in your efforts.

A notice to those reading this thread: Every time you see random attacks by a poster on Ukraine, you're dealing with a person paid by the Russian government to spread something called Anti-Ukrainian Sentiment. It's an attempt to legitimise the criminal activity of Putin and his kleptocracy.

Any and all genuine Leftists will understand that siding with Putin is to side with the likes of Silvio Berlusconi, or the Jobbik party, or even Donald Trump types.

Davai, dasvidaniye, katsap & vatniki.

>>609385

wow some people died, sry but you cant justify a whole retarded position with 46 deaths.

>>609861

>Ukraine

Nice spook.

Seriously, why are these nationalists still browsing /leftypol/?

>>609940

Hope the Kremlin's paying you a living wage.

>>609944

>anyone who dissagreess with me is a kremlin shill

Well in that case you should leave leftist

board, we hate nationalism here and go to /pol/, a board full of nazis like you.

>>609957

You're still a kremlin shill.

>>609960

Seriously, go to back /pol/ nazi, I am, like most leftists, an anarchist who believes in whitering away of the state. You on the other hand a nazi.

>>609979

Nah, you're paid by the kremlin to post anti-Ukrainian comments throughout the internet.

>>607473

No!

Reminder they rehearsed the coup in Honduras. A lot of unionists and enviromentalists are still dying there and the junta government (>implying the elections were legit) openly wars against peasants.

The exact same thing happened in the Ukraine. And of course the West was not involved. I am not a fan of Russia, but this blatant grab of power should not be dignified in any sort!

>>609980

And you are a nazi.

>anti-Ukrainian

Ukraineis a spook and so is Russia. The concept of state is dumb. Nationalism is dumb, fascism is idiotic, nazism is stupid. You are nationalistic, fascist-nazi.So….

Go back to /pol/!

>>609325

We also watched the first maidan protests.

Power struggle and major sellout among the Soros-financed Orange block made people so desperate, they voted Yanukovych into presidency.

As a matter of fact, the pro-Western factions never won an election, without throwing a Western-backed spastic fit before.

>>609993

I'm glad you're honest about being a paid shill.

>>609998

Are there three of you shills in this thread? Or did you call for back-up?

>>610004

Seriously, nazism is mentall illness and you are a nazi. Please leave this board and go back to /pol/!

>>610004

Putin himself called.

He said, he give me $10000, if I play with you for 15 minutes.

Easiest money of my life.

>>610010

It's so weird how you think the Ukrainian guy's a Nazi for criticising Putin. He could be a Liberal or a Conservative.

>>610011

Wonderful! Tell him he's a little bitch.

>>610019

>criticising Putin.

So do I, I can openly say that putin is capitalistic peace of dog shit. Having said that, I am against the concept of state while the Ukrainian is constantly nationalisticly shills for ukraine.

>>610021

Told him. He is too much of a gentlemen to get down to your level.

He tells me, you should ask your mother for further info.

>>610032

Ukrainian guy here. I don't have to be a nationalist to point out that you owe us reparations for your centuries of oppression.

>>610011

>tfw Putin pays you $15k

Comrade, you need to up your game and join the Union

>>610039

Is that a Your Mom joke?

Damn, russkis are about 30 years behind in terms of what they think passes for an insult.

>>610047

You are nationalist for supporting fake concept of state. State is spook, Ukraine is spook. Nationalism is mentall ilness and you are a nationalist.

This is leftist board, we believe in class warfare and withering away of the state, not nationalistic spooks like 'reparations' for stuff that happened hundrets of years before we were born. Nationalism is tool used by Bourgeoisie to manipulate idiots like you, and nationalism feeds on event's that happened thousands of years ago. Read some books, you goddamn nazi.

>>610062

All I read was a mixture of russian grammar errors with the work Spook, and about how Ukraine should lie down and take russia's attacks.

Learn how to use articles. Clearly the English teachers the kremlin hired aren't native speakers.

Pro-tip: Pay up on those reparations, you fucking nazi-imperialist ;).

>>610069

Seriously, go back /pol/, nazi.

>>610069

Seriously, read my fucking post. I AM AGAINST THE CONCEPT OF STATE, I AM AGAINST ANY FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, RUSSIA, UKRAINE, DOESEN'T FUCKING MATTER, GO BACK TO /POL/ NAZI, NO ONE CARES ABOUT FAKE SHIT LIKE 'UKRAINE' HERE

>>610078

inb4 stroke or heart attack.

I love how emotionally invested you are.

>>610073

I actually don't like Not Socialism. It's a weak ideology, just like Putinism and Stalinism, or your favourite: Eurasianism.

>>610084

Looks like we have a filter here.

That should then say Nazism.

>>610084

>I love how emotionally invested you are.

Nice assuption, but I quess can't something smart from nazi, nazism is mentally ilness after all.

Sorry, but I am obviously a Marxist, nazi

>I actually don't like Not Socialism

Self hating nazi, or just think that being overly nationalistic is not nazism.

Anyway, go back to /pol/ nazi

>>610093

The guy who says the word "Nazi" at a pathological pace is calling other people mentally ill. How adorable.

>>610103

Well what more is to say about you?

You have no substance to yourself, just idiotic teen who should go back to /pol/

>>610107

Are you running out of things to say?

Pay us our reparations, katsap.

Sage

>>610138

Nope. Just reminding the shills that they're wasting their time.

Sage

>>608453

>here , I have graf. Now gib sh-er rubles, katsap

Daily reminder that Ukrainians only want rubles because they can't afford to buy Russian gas at full price.

Ukrainians are basically micks with a slavic accent.

ukranian neonazis attack elderly communists and get btfo.

note the police car during the end of the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugiMtE0mn-k

>>610765

>>610944

More anti-Ukrainian racism, brought to you by paid kremlin shills.

>>611078

>anti-Ukrainian racism

i got nothing against ukranians

do you have nothing to comment on the video?

>>611078

Sure, paid shills arguing with nazi on leftist board, filled with people who hate nazism…

Quoting article 10:

>The Parties shall enhance practical cooperation in conflict prevention and crisis management, in particular with a

view to increasing the participation of Ukraine in EU-led civilian and military crisis management operations as well as

relevant exercises and training activities, including those carried out in the framework of the Common Security and

Defence Policy (CSDP).

Military engagement would only result in more hostility from Russia against the EU.

Yes-voters are claiming that it's about peace talks between Russia and Ukraine and that it won't result in any actual NATO troops on Ukrainian soil, but it doesn't clarify this anywhere in the agreement.

Since this is a pretty important aspect of the agreement I would vote no until there is more clearance on this.

>>611607

Find at least one post by putin bot?

>>611113

Do you have video evidence of this "fat turd", because I have never seen or heard of this.