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 No.607547

Are there any non-idpol radical left organizations in the States that I could get involved in? I'm interested in spreading the word and participating in the movement, but there seems to be no non-idpol organizations where I live (Indiana).

Do any of you know of any particularly good leftist organizations in Indiana, the Midwest, or the United States in general?

 No.607564

Communist Party USA


 No.607574

what anime


 No.607578

Socialist Equality Party. Anti-IDPol, against the psuedo left, actually doing some great work in places like Detroit. They have a bit of a crazy Trotskyist streak, but it's bearable. Also don't mention Comrade Sanders.


 No.607579

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>>607578

What's their issue with the General Secretary?


 No.607581

>>607574

Ana Satsujin


 No.610491

>>607564

>Are there any non-idpol radical left organizations in the States that I could get involved in?

If you're talking about radical socialism then no. The word feminism literally was coined by a socialist and feminism is a major part of 99.9% of socialist groups. You need to accept that and move on.

>CPUSA

>radical

it's just a newsletter and it recently endorsed Hillary

>>607578

The SEP has about a dozen members, and about 6 active members that actually physically meet in the entire country. It's a leftover from pro-segregation labor parties.

Sage


 No.610518

Jacobin reading groups


 No.610599

>>607547

> there seems to be no non-idpol organizations where I live (Indiana)

I don't know Indiana well, so I can't give specific advice, but I'm quite sure there are non-idpol organizations where you are, if you're in the vicinity of Indianapolis or Fort Wayne any how.

Just a little Googling of Indianapolis and some other Indiana cities…

http://www.meetup.com/Indianapolis-Socialist-Party-USA/

http://lostartpress.com/pages/about-us

http://www.indysocialist.org/about-us.html

http://indywjc.org/

https://indianaforestalliance.org/

You may have to make a little bit of an effort to find out what idpol groups are around, but they're around. The above are a good starting point. Some of them are idpol, but if you go to their spaces and events, eventually you'll find out where more like-minded people are.

This is why I used to like working at a volunteer bookstore. It was a space where people could come in, browse, talk, buy books, magazines, pamphlets etc., sometimes drop off flyers about events and so forth.

There's other working class people like you in Indiana, slightly adrift and disconnected to like-minded people, so obviously one of your first tasks once you get connected will be to help build organizations, spaces and events that other people like yourself can connect with. That's how my thinking went any how.


 No.610614

I've heard this and that about Socialist Alternative. Are they worth looking into as a Syndicalist considering they are, at least nominally, a Trot organization? They're among the only socialist organizations active in the area.


 No.610690

Start your own, OP. Don't join and reform. Make something new, as you want it to be.


 No.610708

idpol has nothing too do why Socialist groups suck dick.

Anarchist groups are usually mentally ill people going too demonstrations too fight police.

Communists groups are usually Leninist/Trotskyist centrally controlled cults where the older central committee control younger radical members too be sent too demonstrations too fight police.

The biggest problem with Socialist organizations has nothing too do with idpol, but random, irrational militancy played up as radical action.

"Oh I threw a brick at a cop, I'm soooo radical", "Yeah I called a Jewish pro-Israel student a kike, I'm even more radical" is the fucking core of modern Socialist movements.


 No.610720

>>610708

From one of the most respected former members of the Socialist Alternative, John Passant:

>Part of the issue is the nature of the people recruited. We live in an incredibly apolitical world, where a small minority want to understand why everything is so stuffed. But many of that small minority have unformed political ideas, and part of the culture in the organisation doesn’t seem to be about Marxism but more about action. For example it seems to be a widely accepted view that street fighting is radical.

>It is a culture the leadership are now trying to address with strident pleas and exhortations against mindless militancy. But that fails to address or understand why many members think that jostling with the cops, bashing on a Vice-Chancellor’s windows or holing up political opponents is somehow radical per se.

>This failure to examine why our members sometimes indulge in mindless militancy is one of the things coming out of the National Conference over the weekend and on Monday that made me question why I am in the organisation.

>In fact the person who led the shoe throwing demo and the NUS debacle was elected to the National Executive. Evidently a few mea culpas, or should that be Hail Marys?, cures all sins.

>There may be a pattern here and it is beholden on revolutionaries not just to acknowledge these mistakes and to do so publicly (which my guess is won’t happen for all of these outrages) but to try and understand why they happen. Why do young comrades think throwing shoes at cops is radical?

>In fact I have seen younger comrades shout at other comrades, conference delegates taking minority positions. This is completely unacceptable but part of the culture that sees aggression as radical politics. Indeed a recent note from National Executive member Sandra Bloodworth praised aggressive women as if this is something worthy in itself. The idea that shouting at comrades is the way to convince people rather than reason, discussion and debate is anti-Marxist but its existence in the organisation is in part because this is an atmosphere the leadership or elements of it encourage and think acceptable in quashing difference and dissent.

>Workers would rightly be repulsed by this juvenile and aggressive approach.


 No.610726

>>607547

Oh hey, I'm in Indiana too


 No.613751

>>610726

Where abouts are you in Indiana?


 No.613770

>>607547

Socialist Appeal is pretty good, I'm in the Canadian section of the same international.

On my way to class now but I'd be glad to answer any questions when I get back.


 No.613827

>>610720

I agree but at the same time an effective revolutionary group should maintain a militant element even if it's largely spontaneous

especially in the U.S. where there's the always looming threat of nationalists fucking greasing us as soon as we start taking center stage, when that happens you're gonna want a lot of those kids who throw bricks

also I would argue that the militancy he describes is not useless, but useful only with the right hand, it has to be deployed with a clear receivable message, not just an obscure act by some angry marchers which is often all, if anything most people see when we gather, anarchists are especially secretive of this, lacking any good representation and their love of secrecy


 No.613828

>>610720

>Workers would rightly be repulsed by this juvenile and aggressive approach.

This man doesn't speak for me.


 No.613982

platypus maybe, but they're a bit cultish.


 No.614060

>>613828

well socialist alternative is basically social democratic

they're kinda like syriza or podemos, just ballsy socdems, they were never a communist party, they just embraced communist members a bit more openly than some other left parties


 No.614213

>>613770

where in Canada?


 No.614228

>>607547

http://socialistappeal.org/

The Socialist Appeal operate all over the USA and are part of an international.




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