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 No.608880

Can someone give me the lowdown and all the facts of Greece austerity?

My dad claims it happened because Greeks are lazy.

 No.608885

>>608880

Inability to collect taxes because of capitalist corruption and masses of debts due to capitalist corruption


 No.608887

Lender confidence died, Greek borrowers cried.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_government-debt_crisis


 No.608889


 No.608890

>>608880

Tell your dad that the idea of usurious debts is forbidden in the bible. Go full pulpit. Invoke the holy spirit.


 No.608913

your dad a shit


 No.608916

Failed design of the EU. Monetary union without federal union which recycles profits from surplus states to deficit state. It is like if New Yorkers would call people from Nebraska lazy untermenshes for their poor economic condition.

Europeans essentially moved surpluses to the North, filled South with debt and illusory prosperity (Greece had growth rates higher than Germany), then 08' crisis hits and they start to load South with more debts and austerity to pay it, which kills economy even more (austerity during depression is retarded) Greece GDP falls by 30%, unemployment through the roof, the same policies continue in 2012, in 2015 they elect Syriza with hope to renegotiate. Varoufakis meets with technocrats from Troika who are not interested in discussion of new proper reforms because it would hurt their image (and austerity policies) in the EU and would lead to other struggling countries to protest, so they block every attempt of policy discussion.

Varoufakis says he had a plan (strategy) created before that with every possible step of Troika, but he was sabotaged by internal fags in the administration, and then by internal cabinet of Syriza, which chickened out after referendum and didn't want to catch Troika's bluff (as V. thought it was, regarding liquidity threats).

As always austerity consisted of optimization of the smallest shit for plebs and didn't touch the corrupted state and oligarchs. V. states that Troika was in cahoots with the oligarch and blocked his attempts to enforce taxing of major tax cheats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kLS06QtWNE


 No.608947

>>608916

But Greeks are lazy and corrupt. Its partly Greeks fault. Corruption is also Greeks fault, they should have made their government non corrupt.


 No.608961

Tell your dad he's a selfish bigoted piece of shit.


 No.608975

It was revealed that Greece had a lot more public debt than they had previously reported. Their bond yields then skyrocketed to the point where it would be insane to finance government spending by selling them, because the interest payments would be so high.

Normally a country has a central bank that acts as a lender of last resort and makes sure that the government's bonds are always bought at a reasonable rate. If no one else wants to buy Greece's bonds, their central bank should have stepped in and bought them itself – all developed countries with their own currency do this.

But Greek is in the Euro and doesn't have its own central bank, it has to rely on the ECB. The ECB refused to perform this service.

Eventually, the ECB started doing this for other countries, but after the damage is already done.

To put a real cherry on top, the ECB ruined Greece possibly irreparably by refusing to buy its bonds. But now, the ECB just announced plans to "boost the economy" by buying .. wait for it … not just bonds from Eurozone government but … CORPORATE BONDS FROM PRIVATE COMPANIES.

So 5 years ago the ECB would not do its duty as a central bank and help fund Greece at a reasonable rate (ALL central banks do this) – but now, it will directly fund private corporations.


 No.608987

>>608947

The state is corrupted together with the oligarchy; people are being fucked as usual.

>they should have made their government non corrupt.

People do not have that amount of 'agency' with regards to structure of their governance in the representative 'democracy'. And if everything was working till 08' then they didn't have so much time to change their government. Syriza had 20% or so in 2012 (after 4 years) and won in 2015 (7 years). So, they have tried.


 No.608992

>>608987

People are responsible for their government, period. Especially in an educated first world country like Greece, there should have been no corruption and botched statistics in the first place.


 No.608998

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>>608992

>people are responsible for the ruling classes in capitalism


 No.609003

>>608992

And your government is perfect, right?


 No.609004

>>608992

This is the strangest thing anyone's ever said, not even the most classcucked neo-lib would say something like that.


 No.609019

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 No.609022

>>609019

It looks like they have crashed that ship.


 No.609080

>>608998

>>609003

>>609004

>waaah stop making me responsible, I just want to stay in my mother's basement and cry about the evil capitalists!


 No.609085

>>608992

both the main center left and center right parties of Greece were playing this corrupt as hell game. When things got out of hand, they voted in a 3rd party (Syriza). The Greek people did nothing wrong.

Blame the capitalists for ensuring that voting in a non-corrupt government was virtually a non-option, similar how it is in the U.S. and basically everywhere else in the world.


 No.609090

Does anyone know if there is a good book that explains what happened to Greece? I've read so many articles about it but it's a fairly complex topic. would be nice to fully understand it


 No.609380

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>>608885

are you fucking serious?

>>608880

>muh dad

see >>608913


 No.609395

>>609090

here is one angle, coming from a more financial perspective

https://youtu.be/AbH1JsOTInk?t=204


 No.609397

>>609080

why are you even here? non-lefties are welcomed but only if you bring any good arguments. youre just name calling and assuming everyone on the internet is the stereotypical fat loser who sits in his mothers basement all day browsing 8chan.


 No.609399

>>609397

>why are you even here?

To shitpost you dumb faggot. Is this your first day on /leftypol/ because faggots like this are commonplace.


 No.609403

>>609080

Ebin meme bro, you really showed those silly lefties XD


 No.609405

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>>609399

No, stop shitting up an already shitty board. Either come here with a good argument for your position or fuck off!


 No.609439

>>608992

Oh, the trap of Representative "Democracy".


 No.609442

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>>609399

underage b&


 No.609850

I'm guessing Greece gave up its right to own firearms not too long ago. Google is making it difficult to find out exactly when by changing "greece gun" to "grease gun".


 No.609926

>My dad claims it happened because Greeks are lazy.

That's some "poor people are poor 'cause they're lazy" levels of retardation.


 No.609935

>>609442

can i please have a source for this?

this is hilarious


 No.609948

>>609080

Of course, you successful entrepeneur, tell us about how you succeded in life and you are above any limitation.

Or fuck off,


 No.609976

>>609397

> non-lefties are welcomed but only if you bring any good arguments

so you should probably leave greeactionary




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