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 No.609367

Post-modernism, while a loose definition and an (inevitably) shaky set of ideas, can broadly be said to be ideas coming from after the modern period that formed around the premise that there are no more grand narratives. In post modernism nothing is sacred and nothing is true, the universe is infinite subjectivities and there is no one truth.

"Before the sacred, people lost all sense of power and all confidence; they occupy a powerless and humble attitude toward it. And yet no thing is sacred of itself, but by declaring it sacred, by my declaration, my judgment, my bending the knee; in short, by my - conscience." Max Stirner

"Man, your head is haunted; you have wheels in your head! You imagine great things, and depict to yourself a whole world of gods that has an existence for you, a spirit-realm to which you suppose yourself to be called, an ideal that beckons to you. You have a fixed idea!" Max Stirner

"Crimes spring from fixed ideas." Max Stirner

"Man has not really vanquished Shamanism and its spooks till he possesses the strength to lay aside not only the belief in ghosts or in spirits, but also the belief in the spirit." Max Stirner

So, Max Stirner was an early post-modernist. What is the leftypol beef with post modernism?

Or, is this link what exposes post modernism as the egoist trash it is, the only grand narrative worth believing in being the satiating of your own appetites?

 No.609390

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"post-modernism" is still concerned about epistemology and isn't inherently anti-epistemological i.e. "post-modernism" hasn't shifted ontology from cognition to activity… "post-modernists" are to busy interpreting the world instead of changing it


 No.609433

I personally don't get why leftypol/ has such a huge problem with Postmodernism. When asked the common lefty responds with "it is complete and utter garbage" and leaves it there.

I guess because they are frustrated that the overall trend of leftist philosophy and sociology has become more and more revisionist. However, i'm not sure why that means its incompatible with the Marxist model of economics and history.

Consider how Stirner and Zizek rave endlessly about how our worldviews are crafted by culture and the state yet leftypol/ has no problem incorporating their ideas. But when Foucault suggests something completely different similar they lose their shit

>>609390

I guess but that doesn't explain the intense reaction people have.


 No.609487

"Post-" anything is just bitching about how others have built their philosophies without actually offering any practical intellectual structures to replace them. It is the philosophical equivalent of nagging: useless, counterproductive, and lazy.


 No.609502

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>>609433

Both Foucault and Stirner weren't explicitly anti-capitalist, they critiqued the institutions and power relations of their day but left it there. Anti-capitalism can be a conclusion of their philosophical work, but it's not the only conclusion. Cut Marx up however you like but he's still red inside. Cue milkposting for the egoists, while Foucault dithered about in academia, enjoying his celebrity status in french intellectual circles, arguing that critique itself was a mode of resistance. Unlike with Marx, whose turncoats were forced to fundamentally abandoned his conceptions, Foucault's followers took his insights into the heart of neoliberalism in at least one instance via Francois Ewald (see pdf attached). This is what can happen when you're ambiguous about your views, critiquing and analyzing relations of power without dedicating yourself to their overthrow, or at the very least their reform.

I'm going to be cruel here and argue Zizek may well end up the new Foucault: influential enough to inspire generations of cottage industry academics to do their own "readings" of his works, and attempt to twist it into something useful (indeed this is already underway). At least he is openly anti-capitalist, which limits how his thought can be used. A lot of the prominent Marxist intellectuals, eg. Badiou, seem to have given up on any kind of political struggle, and now, like Foucault, content themselves with critique as praxis. Varoufakis might be a soc-dem in a Marxist suit but at least he's getting his hands dirty.

>I guess but that doesn't explain the intense reaction people have.

Post-modernists want nothing to do what Foucault called totalitarian grand theories, like Marxism. They're obsessed with subjectivity, relativism, micro-politics of particular groups – which in turn inspired IDPOL and thus intersectional theory – and completely misunderstand Marxist's use of class not as the end-point, i.e. a reductionist theory that boils everything down to relations of production and so on, but the starting point of an analysis in which those things – mode, forces, and relations of production – provide a basis for its grand analysis of bourgeois society. More to the point, they're not strictly anti-capitalists. They may have some interesting arguments in regards to their critiques of power in society, but fundamentally they have no idea of how to change it beyond reforming bourgeois government policy, and they have absolutely no idea of how to achieve a society where (hypothetically) power relations are managed in common, not monopolized by a largely unaccountable elite.


 No.609506

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>>609502

Forgot the pdf, of course.


 No.609999

Read Jameson, you turd burglars. Postmodernism is the cultural logic of late capitalism.


 No.610036

>>609502

>This is what can happen when you're ambiguous about your views, critiquing and analyzing relations of power without dedicating yourself to their overthrow, or at the very least their reform.

What are you even saying.


 No.610057

>>609999

fucking this, well deserved get


 No.610061

>>610036

me > everyone

proof: caricature of them

(i don't read much, sorry)


 No.610096

>postmodernism

>we must all worship humans as an abstract idea rather than individuals

No.


 No.610168

>>609502

>arguing that critique itself was a mode of resistance

The greatest cancer ever conceived

On that note, I'm doing little more than bitching on the internet and telling people they are stupid.


 No.610955

>>610036

Foucault enjoyed intellectual masturbation and refused to be pinned down on what conclusions should be drawn from his philosophy, hence their appropriation by just about everyone.




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