/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>610116

Yes, it is.

Mostly, you can rely on pointing out the lack of democracy on certain stuff, like the workplace.

The thing is too make obvious how rigged the system is, and how certain "placebo reforms" just made it invisible for a while.

>individualist

>egalitarian

>these are liberal values

Wut.

They (liberals) honestly aren't as bad as the right wingers because they are often far less reactionary. Generally they're only liberal because they've had decades or maybe just years of indoctrination by media. I think they can be convinced, for the most part.

You can convince them generally through rigorous explanation of hypocrisy in the system, like the mutualist who first replied said.

For me, what triggered my change into radical leftist was looking into taxation in my country and how utterly corrupt it was. Also coupled with a lot of philosophy.

>>610134

>>610141

I'm not sure. I feel like I'm a rare case of a liberal instantly turning lefty. Or at least we are. I was kinda reactionary in my thoughts looking back at my liberlol years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

The "values" of liberalism are as cancerous as liberals themselves. Why do you align yourself with this bullshit?

>>610147

Chasing after idealist drivel such as individualism and egalitarianism are surefire ways of remaining a liberal and not becoming a real Marxist. Hopefully, you'll grow up in time, but I should warn you that this board is full of limp wristed anarchists who know nothing of theory

>>610152

How is that theory working out in

>Cuba

>Korea

>China

>Russia

>Vietnam

>Cambodia

>ECT

FAT LOT OF GOOD ALL THAT THEORY DID

>>610161

All things bourgeoisie must be destroyed. This includes bourgeoisie people and modes of thinking. Having "compassion" for them only lets them take advantage of us and serves to make the population decadent

>>610166

Cuba and North Korea have survived against all odds thanks to Socialism, even with the west threatening to invade constantly. China and Russia meanwhile are global economic superpowers thanks to Socialism, and president Putin is well on his way to rebuilding Communism where Yeltsin destroyed it. Meanwhile, I'd love to see the list of anarchist states…oh wait…

>>610173

Now hold on, I'm not advocating having compassion for bourgies. That isn't what egalitarianism and individualism entails or would have me do anyways. Not by definition, that is. These values can be perfectly combined exclusively with those who share your class. I'll roast porky any day of the week.

>Putin is well on his way to rebuilding Communism where Yeltsin destroyed it

And now I'm wondering if you're trolling or not again. Anyways, this is some 10/10 stuff. You could LARP as a T-34 while riding Bordiga's rotting nutsack like this.

>>610178

Individualism is inherently a capitalist dogma. The proletarian nation must abide by economic and mental collectivism in order to maintain an orderly and productive society, else it will fall to decadence. In short, individuality is a "spook", because no man is an island to himself.

And Putin has frequently spoken approvingly of Communist leaders, has helped out socialist causes like Assad and the DPRK, and is trying to restore the USSR borders.

>>610180

>I dont know what a degenerated worker's state is hurr durr I'm fucking retarded

Anarchism, not even once

Would everyone agree that aside from Social Democrats liberals are the easiest to win over to socialism?

>>610181

>Cuba and North Korea have survived against all odds thanks to Socialism

You don't know what socialism is.

>>610188

Says the anarchist who probably thinks socialism can be accomplished by a few meetings and peaceful protest.

Once again I ask of you to show me one example of a surviving anarchist state.

>>610190

>Says the anarchist who probably thinks socialism can be accomplished by a few meetings and peaceful protest.

>anarchist state

You don't know what anarchism is either apparently.

>>610190

Well firstly, anarchist state is a contradiction.

Secondly, there are no anarchist states that have really survived without some form of executive (at which point I think it's strained to call it anarchism in any case)

I find the position increasingly difficult to defend, if I'm being honest. Zizek brought up some good points.

People don't really have the time nor energy to be politically active all the time. It's harder to get things done, far more inefficient.

On the other hand more localised democracy is good because people usually know what is best for their area in particular.

I think maybe we shouldn't do away with the state altogether, but certainly decrease its power and put more power in the hands of local federations.

>>610196

Point proven. The fact that you cant form a single state just goes to show how hopelessly irrelevant you guys are. May as well be joining up with anti-Trump libcucks.

>>610199

Sooooooo, none then, right? And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously. Ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, China and the USSR lasted as long as they did because they had a powerful state and vanguard to defend the citizens from the aggression of the USA? If it was just a body of independent workers, they would have been rolled over instantly and they'd all be limp wristed liberals.

In any case, I refuse to go full Marxist because I find the idea of a powerful centralised vanguard distasteful on principle. I think I should stick with some sort of middle ground. Or maybe I'm just being a sectarian prick- I'm fine with either so long as I don't have to be a tankie.

>>610210

I agreed with you, yes. Half my post was about me saying I can't really get on board with anarchists.

>>610210

>The fact that you cant form a single state

>anarchist

>state

You are a retard.

>>610216

Alright, I'll take the b8. Why aren't Putin's actions in foreign countries imperialism?

>>610216

Putin is pro-Russian, that's it. He's the former KGB director and his policy totally reflects it. He's not communist, though he is a socialist. All he cares about is keeping the west out of Russia and staying in power as long as possible.

also chinks are thieves, their system has the worst aspects of socialism and capitalism