No.611536
In 1986 four Soviet embassy workers were kidnapped in Lebanon by Islamic extremists. The Soviets tried to negotiate but a few days later one of the captives was killed in cold blood. Within a few weeks though, the Soviets had secured the release of the other three hostages - how?
>According to Morris, the KBG determined the kidnapping to be the work of the Shiite Muslim group known as Hezbollah, or Party of God. This was the same radical pro-Iranian faction that figured so belligerently in the mass hostage-taking from the TWA airliner at Beirut Airport last June.
>Unlike the approach the United States used to resolve the TWA crisis, however, the Soviets did not bother negotiating with Hezbollah through Nabih Berri, Lebanon's justice minister and leader of the Shiite Amal militia.
>Instead, the KGB kidnapped a man they knew to be a close relative of a prominent Hezbollah leader. They then castrated him and sent the severed organs to the Hezbollah official, before dispatching the unfortunate kinsman with a bullet in the brain.
>In addition to presenting him with this grisly proof of their seriousness, the KGB operatives also advised the Hezbollah leader that they knew the indentities of other close relatives of his, and that he could expect more such packages if the three Soviet diplomats were not freed immediately.
Anyone who claims to be a Communist and yet finds excuses for the reactionary, violent, despicable religion that is Islam can fuck off back to /pol/ (after all, Hitler loved Islam!).
Stalin was right to abolish the Mosques in the Caucasus. The only thing these people understand is force.
No.611562
>>611536
>It explained that it had seized the Russians with the aim of getting Moscow to put pressure on Syria to end factional clashes that were raging at the time in the northern port of Tripoli between Moslem fundamentalists and Syrian-backed Lebanese leftist militias. The leftists included the Soviet- oriented Communist Party.'
>In 1985, fundamentalists from the Islamic Liberation Organization, an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood of Syria, kidnapped four Soviet diplomats. The KGB's special branch Alpha Group was despatched to Lebanon and freed the hostages.
>Hezbollah = Muslim Brotherhood ?
Tankies aren't Communists. Look at how your pseudo-Communist Imperialists were BTFO in Afghanistan, and the majority of Mujahideen there weren't backed by the USA.
No.611567
>>611562
Ah yes, and real Communists support reactionary religious extremists. Get fucking real.
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No.611581
>>611536
>Anyone who claims to be a Communist and yet finds excuses for the reactionary, violent, despicable religion that is Islam can fuck off back to /pol/
lol /pol/ you're not event trying.
Our solidarity lies with workers, not Islam. But most muslims in europe are part of the most ostracized layer of the working class due to the opression they're facing because of their religion and ethnic background. Y'all using islamist attacks to excuse further racist and ultimately anti-working class measures taken by the bourgeois state against the muslim population, such as refusing muslim refugees and immigrants, are the true reactionary force.
No.611584
>>611581
you might be autistic, leftcomposter, but 100% correct
No.611589
>>611581
>>611584
Religion should be oppressed. And national minorities should be deported if they cause an issue.
Your pretend Communism makes me laugh.
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No.611595
>>611581
>implying most muslimgrants aren't lumpens
No.611597
>>611589
indeed, faggot, we aren't a bunch of stalinist apologists.
No.611599
>>611595
>implying most people of any kind aren't lumpens
No.611600
>>611594
>anti-theism is /pol/ now
No.611601
>>611536
>soviets
>communists
REEEEEEEEEE GTFO SAGED /POL/ TIER B8 THREAD
No.611602
>>611599
Most people are employed, so, no.
No.611605
>>611594
>>611597
There's a reason you faggots got sent to the gulags.
>>611600
These "Leftists" are actually liberal reactionaries.
No.611606
>>611597
>we
one of the best things about this place is that there's no real consensus, you don't speak for anyone but yourself
No.611608
>>611601
>hurr I don't understand Communism
Communists are those who are committed to advancing a society towards Communism. The USSR was committed to such an end goal, and therefore they were Communists.
You pretend Communists in the West are not people of action. You are passive, and this is why you've been co-opted by liberal reactionaries.
No.611609
>>611602
>lumpen = unemployed
that's not how it works
No.611612
>>611606
So you're openly admitting to being a stalinist apologist?
No.611614
>>611606
this, fucking this
No.611615
>>611601
>hurr I don't understand Communism
Communists are those who are committed to advancing a society towards Communism. The USSR was committed to such an end goal, and therefore they were Communists.
You pretend Communists in the West are not people of action. You are passive, and this is why you've been co-opted by liberal reactionaries.
>>611606
Well there is. This place is run by a bunch of liberals who censor any opinions that trigger them. There's a reason these "people" were re-educated in functioning societies.
No.611616
>>611595
what an incredibly dense argument. Even if this stupid assertion was right, they'd still be part of the working class, whether you like it or not.
That some muslim immigrants are "lumpen" (what an incredibly stupid category to begin with) is due to the fact that the bourgeois state does its utmost in fucking up this layer of the working class up to the point where they're forced to engage in criminal activity so their existence as a part of labor's reserve army is bearable.
No.611620
>>611605
because we don't worship the cult of personality
>>611606
>we aren't
No.611621
>>611609
Lumpens are unemployed by definition, faggot.
No.611622
>>611608
are you blind or what, faggot? where did i say i was communist? and north korea claims to progress towards a communist society, are they one?
No.611624
>>611621
>people with jobs are never counter-revolutionary
kys tbh
No.611625
>>611615
>Communists are those who are committed to advancing a society towards Communism. The USSR was committed to such an end goal, and therefore they were Communists.
No.611626
>>611615
>>611615
>This place is run by a bunch of liberals who censor any opinions that trigger them
nice fucking bait. this place is anything but liberals. theyre a crapitalist shill to keep classcucks undercontrol despite being class conscious.
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No.611629
>>611600
anti working class rhetorics are. So please fuck off already.
>>611605
>tankies accusing anyone of being reactionary
whew
No.611630
>>611615
>he's against censorship of differing opinions but is for forced reeducation
No.611631
>>611606
fuck consensus, there are communist and reactionary positions and you're clearly defending the reactionary ones.
No.611632
>>611616
>That some muslim immigrants are "lumpen" (what an incredibly stupid category to begin with)
So have you not read Marx or are you just a revisionist?
No.611637
>>611624
>people with jobs are never counter-revolutionary
>there exists a parallel universe where i ever implied that
No.611638
>>611624
so basically a fancy way to say NEET?
No.611639
>>611620
You don't believe in anything. That's your problem. It's why you suck Muslim dick and then turn around and shit on Stalin for trying to make the world a better place.
>>611625
>hurr I don't understand dialectical materialism
>>611626
Whoever runs it deletes any posts/threads that trigger their liberal sensibilities. It's basically as bad as /pol/. Four week ban because you triggered the retard running the place.
>>611629
ebin meme bro
>>611630
You should be against censorship until you are in power, then you can exercise it against your opponents.
No.611644
>>611639
>Whoever runs it deletes any posts/threads that trigger their liberal sensibilities. It's basically as bad as /pol/. Four week ban because you triggered the retard running the place.
bring it to the mods thread then faggot
>>306672
No.611645
>>611629
>anti working class rhetorics are. So please fuck off already.
Please, tell me more about how islam is pro-working class. Or have you confused muslims with arabs, like a cute little liberal?
No.611646
>>611639
>killed tens of millions of people
>world a better place
k
No.611648
>>611639
>hurr I don't understand dialectical materialism
>hurr i trust glorious leader's empty promises
No.611651
>>611536
>that eddy recolour on the shirt
what the fuck
No.611654
>>611639
>You should be against censorship until you are in power, then you can exercise it against your opponents.
How lucky for the human race that you aren't in power.
No.611656
>>611632
they are not a real class, using this term Marx described the lowest layers of the proletariat who were most prone to petty bourg ideology due to their lack of education. Their class-interest is still the same as the one of any proletarian; the sublation of labor, private property and the state. It doesn't make sense to talk about lumpen distinguishing them from "real" working class.
So no, I'm not a revisionist, it's you sperglords who think that something as "socialist commodity production" is possible and genuinely believe that there's a socialist angle to anti-immigration rhetoric.
No.611657
>>611644
Go bootlick more, faggot. I don't give a shit if this thread is deleted or not. I'm on a VPN.
>>611646
Yeah clearly it's much better now, right? The New Left really has done a bang up job! There's a reason Russians love Stalin and East Germans prefer the GDR (despite how much they hate it, they'd prefer that to the liberal reactionary shithole that is modern Germany).
No.611660
>>611646
>2016
>not being anti-natalist
Gotta cull the herd
No.611662
I don't get why it's so hard for some people to understand they don't have any authority to speak on behalf on anonymous users. The point of this board is to express different opinions and defend them without 300 retards calling you a shill.
No, fuck off, with your bullshit, nobody speaks for /leftypol/ unleds the users themselved agree on it. If you want to be a Stalinist that's fine, anarchist, hell even ayncrap or Nazi are fone as long as you come here to discuss and present arguments instead of shitposting just don't try to rely on a non-existant consensus to support your positon
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No.611665
>>611654
You think those in power have different ideas? There's a reason "hateful" speech (ie anti-liberal speech) is criminalised in the West.
>>611651
It's some autistic Balkan who posted on /r9k/ a while back.
No.611668
>>611662
If you really believe that you are naive as Trotsky was. The mods here delete opinions they disagree with at will, and ban you for weeks on end.
This place has turned into a Liberal shithole for that very reason.
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No.611672
>>611665
>There's a reason "hateful" speech (ie anti-liberal speech) is criminalised in the West.
It must be unfortunate not being a burger.
No.611675
>>611672
It isn't "good" or "bad". It just "is". Those in power will always restrict expression that opposes them. The problem isn't the restriction itself, but those in power (that is, it depends on who is in power).
If you are a Leftist who supports free speech you are utterly hypocritical. Free speech is a liberal construction.
No.611678
>>611668
it was a liberal shithole from the beginning.
No.611685
>>611678
The great irony is the liberal retards who run this place can't even follow their own ideology.
This board gets traffic because it is the designated shitting grounds for neo-nazis from /pol/.
No.611686
>>611656
>they are not a real class, using this term Marx described the lowest layers of the proletariat who were most prone to petty bourg ideology due to their lack of education.
Holy shit are you serious? It goes like this:
Bourg - owns means of production
Prole - drives means of production
Lumpen - no relationship to the means of production
This is all clearly explained in the fucking commiefesto.
>Their class-interest is still the same as the one of any proletarian
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No it isn't, you fucking retard. Proletarian interest is WORKER ownership of the means of production. Nobody else. Socialism is not a welfare state.
Proles, due to being unemployed, are so desperate that they will do anything for sustenance. If porky pays them off, this makes them class enemies.
No.611687
>>611686
>Proles, due to being unemployed
*Lumpens
No.611688
>>611581
> But most muslims in europe are part of the most ostracized layer of the working class due to the opression they're facing because of their religion and ethnic background.
this is real bullshit
t. europeean
No.611689
>>611686
Fuck off autist. This shit has nothing to do with my thread.
No.611691
>>611688
These are the same people who think Ukrainians were genocided.
Liberals are fucked in the head and need to be re-educated until cured.
No.611692
>>611689
Do you feel in charge?
No.611693
>>611689
My comment, unlike your thread, is actually relevant to this board.
No.611695
>>611668
I've only seen shitposters banned, and people often criticize the mods and make them go back on bans, hell even BO steps in sometimes, there's a permanent thread for calling out the mods if you consider moderation was not adequate in a particular situation
There's nothing else like this in 8chan on the subject of politics and it's up to the userbase to preserve it
No.611696
>>611692
>>611693
Then report and ignore dipshits.
Or, at the very least, stick to sucking religious reactionary dick. At least that's on-topic.
No.611701
>>611695
Again you are naive as shit. As an actual (not pretend, like most of you) Communist I get banned less on /pol/.
The irony is that the user base here is much smarter, but the moderation is much worse.
Hell /pol/ just unbanned all VPNs so I can post freely there. Can't say the same about this reactionary shithole.
No.611703
>>611696
If I report your post, will you die?
No.611708
>>611703
yes, dont you dare do it
No.611716
>>611701
If you consider board moderation so draconian here then why are you stil podting here and not banned? Like i said mod only ban shitposters, if they fuck up they are called out for it, post proofs if you claim otherwise
And, please, /pol/? The same board of "don't be afraid to make shit up"? You almost sound like a shill, but since this is /leftypol/ no mod is gonna come and ban you since you are a J.I.D.F. super secret agent trying to destroy consensus on a super relevant corner of the internet; you are free to post wherever you please but don't expect people to agree and cuddle you for your positions
No.611721
>>611716
hey dumbshit im using a proxy
>You almost sound like a shill
hey /pol/
No.611723
>>611701
We really don't have any control over the mods. Uses have expressed their dissent with the mods, but there isn't anything we can do to actually choose who moderates. That's up to the Board Owner.
No.611729
>>611723
No shit faglord. Whatever petty dictator owns the boards runs it. And I'm shitting on the "liberal" fag that runs this board. And I'll do so until this proxy is banned.
Now can we get back to the topic at hand? This is how Communists deal with terrorism, unlike pussy Capitalist societies.
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No.611731
>>611721
Oh my but didn't you just said this board is soooooooo awfully moderated, why aren't you banned yet? And i suppose i should just take your word for it, right?
Still waiting for those proofs of the literally 1984-tier moderation :^)
Also, you sure refuted my points
No.611735
>>611730
>namefag telling others to go to reddit
No.611746
>>611723
Someone needs to start up demochan again.
No.611750
>>611746
Demochan was a mess
No.611772
>>611735
>still trying to force culture on others
No.611779
>>611750
Demochan is a waste
No.611845
>>611779
life is a waste of time
No.611852
>>611779
Demochan is a
BIG
FAT
MESS
airhorn
No.611854
>>611536
5/10. Go ahead, get another proxy and make more posts with le ebin bearded man of real talk.
No.611864
>>611536
Ohello /leftypol/ my name is Lefty McLeftington. I always like to lork at /leftypol/ and I am also an leftist, such as yourself. *SNIFF* *SNIFF* LOL. I also like Marx Stirner (HOES DON'T KNOW ABOUT MY GHOSTS), kill piggy, Staling did nothing wrong and i just got sent to zulag. Due to the fact that i'm not a petit- bourgosie i know that /leftypol/ is in possession of a great variety of "ideology", at least those of you that aren't glasscucks. in a nutshell, I need the planetariat to deliver to an gommunist /re/tard some of his " ideology " (you know what i mean LOL). WE ARE ARRIVING FRIENDO, FEEL THE HEAT. PLEASE DONT DUMPBLOCK THIS THRED IT IS NOT FALSE-FLAGGING, BUT ORIGINAL COMMENT.
No.611878
>>611864
> WE ARE ARRIVING FRIENDO
:D
No.611896
>>611688
That's absolutely the truth
t. european
No.611909
We don't give two flying fucks about religious beliefs. It's the class that unites us, not some omnipotent paradoxical creation of the imagination. So whether it was a Christian, a Muslim or a Pastafarianist that pulled that shit, the dead relative treatment should take care of it unlike how pussy capitalists handle it.
Sidenote: Don't confuse communists and socialists with SJWs and liberal. We are completely indifferent to colour, race etc unlike the libtards.
No.611921
>Being against Hizbollah
/pol/, your Ziocuck is showing
No.612085
>>611686
lumpen aren't nessecarily unemployed. Even if, the unemployed are also part of the proletariat.
>commifesto
whew you must know Marx like no one else does
>Proletarian interest is WORKER ownership of the means of production. Nobody else.
lol it's not; it's the sublation of private property; there is no working class in socialism/communism anymore to control the means of production. The whole society controls them.
>socialism is not a welfare state
lmao alright, fucking tankie just went full protestant and social darwinist. I hope Abdullah steals all ur jerbs.
No.612097
>>611688
Well I guess it's hard for petty bourg tankies to percieve social antagonisms outside of their middle class suburbs. I'm in fact one of "them"; my parents are muslim immigrants, my mother performs unskilled labor, my father skilled labor. I live in a neighbourhood full of immigrants. Drugs and "lumpen" are nothing new to me. So if you justify your assertion by stating you're an european, well then I could do just the same by saying that I'm experiencing it every day. But then you'd accuse me of idpol, amirite?
No.612104
>>611701
You're not a communist, you're a tankie at best. Thankfully, neither the working class nor the revolutionary left percieves you as communists. The place you belong to is the ideological trash bin of history, not in the revolutionary movement for the sublation of private property. But whatever, if you're so fond of chauvinists and flat out reactionaries, well then just fucking go to /pol/ and don't bother us with your melodramatic monologue about how mods aren't treating you fair and how we all aren't true communists but in fact liberal revisionist rootless cosmopolitans.
>>>/pol/
No.613221
>>611597
nice projection as usual porky.
>>611612
Why would anyone admit to being a stalin apologist? That implies that Stalin did something worth apologizing for.