/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>20) Muslims must lie to us (Infidels) to strengthen and spread Islam. (Koran.3;28?16;106)

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Modern Islamic violence isn't a tenth of as bad as it used to be centuries ago, and people were plenty aware of its existence in the West when freedom of religion was a new idea.

>US and EU din du nuffin they gud bois just tryna get they empires tugedder

those lgbt people in pic related are fucking blinded by social justice bullshit. muslims literally think homosexuals should be punished by death. this is a rather touchy issue, i dont really want to make any judgement without seeing some good arguments first

the role of the left is to protect workers rights, which in this case, muslim immigrants just happen to be a cheap labor force exploitable by the porkies. we have to protect their rights, but all these SJWs are just porkies funded fuckers used to convince the population to welcome a cheap workforce to be used by corporates. this is really difficult to come to terms with

>>611564

1) Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. (57) And those who harm believing men and believing women for [something] other than what they have earned have certainly born upon themselves a slander and manifest sin. (58) O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. (59) If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease and those who spread rumors in al-Madinah do not cease, We will surely incite you against them; then they will not remain your neighbors therein except for a little. (60) Accursed wherever they are found, [being] seized and massacred completely. (61)

2) They ask you about the sacred month - about fighting therein. Say, "Fighting therein is great [sin], but averting [people] from the way of Allah and disbelief in Him and [preventing access to] al-Masjid al-Haram and the expulsion of its people therefrom are greater [evil] in the sight of Allah. And fitnah is greater than killing." And they will continue to fight you until they turn you back from your religion if they are able. And whoever of you reverts from his religion [to disbelief] and dies while he is a disbeliever - for those, their deeds have become worthless in this world and the Hereafter, and those are the companions of the Fire, they will abide therein eternally. (217)

5) None of these verses say anything like this

6) Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (62)

7) O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. (51)

8) And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy. (101)

And people were killed by the Quraish infidels at the time for praying.

9) And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice]. (3)

10) Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures. (6) Indeed, they who have believed and done righteous deeds - those are the best of creatures. (7)

>>611635

TL;DR literally nothing you "quote" matches up with the summary you give.

>>611635

Honestly most of this text is confusing and seems like it could be taken a hundred different ways

>>611641

And you haven't even seen the Arabic. The Koran was basically written in poetry, and Arabic is a damn complicated language already.

You can interpret it in any way you like, basically

>>611641

>>611650

It's much more concrete in Arabic.

It seems all over the place because of the fact that these are excerpts from all over the book, and one needs to read the entirety of the preceding and following verses in order to understand the context.

Also, the Quran wasn't written originally. It was completely oral up until the last months of Muhammad's life, and the words never changed

>>611671

It really isn't. Interpenetration differs wildly among the sects

>>611676

Well, according to 3:7 the Quran contains two types of verses;

It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah. But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding. [3:7]

>literal hermeneutics

>2011

LGBT for Sharia!

Now I've seen everything.

>>613695

the lgbt, feminists and sjws in general are idpol groups who fight for things they dont truly understand

>>613695

>>613719

I don't think the issue is so cut and dry. In particular, LGBT activism can turn very repugnant once some fair laws are passed and the activists that aren't mentally ill become satisfied and move on. They aren't automatically morally superior to the muzzies.

The problem with "Islamophobia" is that it does describe a serious problem in modern culture–the use of Muslims as a scapegoat for all societal ills and as some looming threat that can be leveraged against civil rights–but a lot of idpol liberals are manchildren and just shout names at people instead of arguing until nobody takes these problems seriously.

Normally, this sort of idpol impasse can be overcome by advancing socialism and labor rights, like with sexism, racism and prejudice against the handicapped. But Islam has a strong fear aspect to it because of schizos blowing themselves up in train tunnels after being indoctrinated by Middle Eastern propaganda.

>>613773

Social norms are a funny thing. It's not uncommon for something to be seen by individuals as repugnant but passively accepted by a group just because it's always been that way.

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>supporting an Ideology that literally throws gays off of buildings

literally where is the logic in this shit?

I will never understand the regressive left's obsession with political Islam

>>611564

Checkers is going full tryhard today, isn't he?

>>611837

>being a christian without interpreting the bible

Edgy atheist OP, please go back to reddit.

Are you trying to radicalise islamig gommunists? (I have no idea whether any of what you say is true or not)

Islamig gommunists are my comrades.

>>614251

>Quoting Bakunin

>Posting memes

>no real response

No, this is why I call you a fedora tipper. You made this post for no reason. It's not at all important to anything leftist related really. You're just trying to piss off your comrades.

When the topic is actually relevant, then criticise it. Otherwise just don't take every opportunity to be an insufferable redditor.

>>614257

>>614251

>>614260

retard/10

that or a "Fellow leftists" pollack.

>>614260

>mutual interest is a spook

>What on fucking earth is a union of egoists

ISIS has more in common with the right wing paramilitary juntas of Latin America than they do with the Islamic faith (ISIS is quite an anti-Islamic movement, actually). Indeed, they are both products of the socioeconomic decay imposed by western imperialism in the name of global capitalism. They are separated culturally/geographically, but in terms of ideology, there really is no difference between the genocidal practices of both groups.

In fact, if you're a reactionary, the only thing separating you and an ISIS member are base cultural norms. Ideologically speaking, you're both cut from the same cloth.

Essentially, it requires a great deal of cognitive dissonance to hold deeply conservative, reactionary beliefs while also being against ISIS. If you're a reactionary and want to be ideologically consistent you should be praising ISIS for their subjugation of women, their slaughtering of homosexuals, their intolerance of "deviancy" and so on.

>>614260

>Hello, fellow proletariats

>>614299

It's a movement that is not only permanently tarnishing the Islamic faith but is also causing the death of thousands upon thousands of innocent Muslims. Far more Muslims have died at the hands of ISIS than westerners/non-believers.

Nice meme, indeed.

>>614217

I don't get why /pol/ hates Islamic theocracy so much.

It's their "degeneracy free" societal ideal come to life.

>>614305

Yeah Islam is the religion of peace amiright

>>614388

this

if they had their "worldwide caliphate" the islamists would just start forming sects and killing each other again

>>614388

Bullshit there is no way you can say that Jainism advocates violence.

According to two narrations in Sahih Bukhari, Muhammad asks Allah to bless the areas of Bilad al-Sham (Syria) and Yemen. When his companions said "Our Najd as well," he replied: "There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head (e.g. horns) of Satan." In a similar narration, Muhammad again asked Allah to bless the areas Medina, Mecca, Sham, and Yemen and, when asked specifically to bless Najd, repeated similar comments about there being earthquakes, trials, tribulations, and the horns of Satan.

>"O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Shaam. O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Messenger of Allaah, and our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, "There (in Najd) will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations, and from there appears the Horn of Satan."

Where did the Saudi family and Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab come from? Where is their capital Riyadh?

>>614510

>literally everyone has to become an atheist of some kind

yes, we're the one pushing a fairy tale

>>>/tumblr/

>>614510

>During the Rashidun Caliphate, various welfare programs were introduced by Caliph Umar. In his time, equality was extended to all citizens, even to the caliph himself, as Umar believed that "no one, no matter how important, should live in a way that would distinguish him from the rest of the people." Umar himself lived "a simple life and detached himself from any of the worldly luxuries," like how he often wore "worn-out shoes and was usually clad in patched-up garments," or how he would sleep "on the bare floor of the mosque." Limitations on wealth were also set for governors and officials, who would often be "dismissed if they showed any outward signs of pride or wealth which might distinguish them from the people." This was an early attempt at erasing "class distinctions which might inevitably lead to conflict." Umar also made sure that the public treasury was not wasted on "unnecessary luxuries" as he believed that "the money would be better spent if it went towards the welfare of the people rather than towards lifeless bricks."

>Umar's innovative welfare reforms during the Rashidun Caliphate included the introduction of social security. This included unemployment insurance, which did not appear in the Western world until the 19th century. In the Rashidun Caliphate, whenever citizens were injured or lost their ability to work, it became the state's responsibility to make sure that their minimum needs were met, with the unemployed and their families receiving an allowance from the public treasury. Retirement pensions were provided to elderly people, who had retired and could "count on receiving a stipend from the public treasury." Babies who were abandoned were also taken care of, with one hundred dirhams spent annually on each orphan’s development. Umar also introduced the concept of public trusteeship and public ownership when he implemented the Waqf, or charitable trust, system, which transferred "wealth from the individual or the few to a social collective ownership," in order to provide "services to the community at large." For example, Umar brought land from the Banu Harithah and converted it into a charitable trust, which meant that "profit and produce from the land went towards benefiting the poor, slaves, and travelers."

>During the great famine of 18 AH (638 CE), Umar introduced further reforms, such as the introduction of food rationing using coupons, which were given to those in need and could be exchanged for wheat and flour. Another innovative concept that was introduced was that of a poverty threshold, with efforts made to ensure a minimum standard of living, making sure that no citizen across the empire would suffer from hunger. In order to determine the poverty line, Umar ordered an experiment to test how many seers of flour would be required to feed a person for a month. He found that 25 seers of flour could feed 30 people, and so he concluded that 50 seers of flour would be sufficient to feed a person for a month. As a result, he ordered that the poor each receive a food ration of fifty seers of flour per month. In addition, the poor and disabled were guaranteed cash stipends. However, in order to avoid some citizens taking advantage of government services, "begging and laziness were not tolerated" and "those who received government benefits were expected to be contributing members in the community."

You are ignorant.

>>614519

>yes, we're the one pushing a fairy tale

yes you literally are

>>614522

>You are ignorant.

and your another dumb sand nigger who doesn't know what socialism is (i.e. nothing you just posted)

fuck off back to reddit

>>614522

literally all of this is socdem or neoliberal trash

The problem with terrorism is that it does not reflect a multicultural, diverse and inclusive society.

Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, as well as LGBT and disabled along with other vulnerable minority communties, are severely under-represented in terrorism. This needs to change to reflect our modern 21st century beliefs and expectations.

Thus there needs to be concerted affirmative action, including quotas for suicide vests and AK-47s, to ensure accessibility for all and the fair and equitable distribution of terroristic achievements.

Such actions will help to build an egalitarian approach to terrorism, bringing opportunities for growth, personal development and self fulfilment; reclaiming the right of everyone to be a terrorist from being the preserve of an exclusive, male, muh privileged, heterosexual Islamic elite.

>>614523

>how do you fellow nigger lov…socialists

>>614523

>>614532

Like I said, you are ignorant.

>>614532

Socialism back then was impossible given the material conditions. Church spooks or not, it was quite impressive.

>>614522

Ali was way better

>Ali resumed the land which had been granted by Uthman and swore to resume whatever some elites had taken before him. He opposed the centralization of capital control over provincial revenues and favored an equal distribution of taxes and booty among the Muslims; in contrast to Umar he distributed the entire revenue of the divan among Muslims without keeping anything in reserve. When asked to pay more money to elites he said "Do you command me that I should seek support by oppressing those over whom I have been placed? By Allah, I won't do so as long as the world goes on, and as long as one star leads another in the sky. Even if it were my property, I would have distributed it equally among them, then why not when the property is that of Allah."[

>>614545

>>614548

>Like I said, you are ignorant.

No, I just told you that you have no idea what socialism is, because unlike you I know what it is

>then why not when the property is that of Allah."[

Property still exists, it just belongs to a wizard

ISLAMIG GOMMINUSMS

>>614551

There is no church in Islam.

>>614554

There is no competition, my friend.

Muhammad and the Rashidun Caliphs were leaders of the highest order despite what the Zionist propaganda may say.

Islam's leadership became Capitalistic after the Umayyads massacred Ali, Hussein, Hassan and the rest of Muhammad's progeny they could find.

Prior to that I would argue that the first Muslim "state" (Medina) was a commune, as was the Rashidun Caliphate.

>>614559

In Islam, no human has property. That's what should matter you. Humanity merely has vice-regency and stewardship over the earth, but not ownership.

ONCE AGAIN WE'VE BEEN PROVEN RIGHT. THE RIGHT WILL TAKE HOLD IN EUROPE ONCE AGAIN. SHITSKINS WILL BE GASSED AND SO WILL YOU ALL

>>614568

Imam Mahdi and Putin will crush you.

>>614559

>le rilijus people believe le magic sky fairy

And you're telling us to fuck off to Reddit?

>Muslims must lie to us (Infidels) to strengthen and spread Islam. (Koran.3;28?16;106).

Taqiyyah doesn't work like that, stop believing in everything that "coincidentaly" matches you worldview.

>>614620

lol

>>614620

>if islam is less violent that means islam is more violent

>>611564

1) Kill anyone who insults the revolution or Stalin

2) Kill all deserters from the red army

3) Marx can't be doubted

4) Marxist Leninism is the only acceptable religion

5) Proles must fight the bourgeois, even if they don't want to

6) We the capitalists are pigs and apes

7) Communists cannot be friends with reactionaries

8) We the reactionaries are sworn enemies of the revolution

9) Reactionaries can be raped as sex slaves

10) Reactionaries the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy

etc etc etc

9)

ITT retards who confuse the destruction of capitalism with the creation of communism

Regressing to feudalism is going the opposite direction no matter how benevolently the serfs are treated

>>614594

Nice job checking sources.

The Parable of the Ten Minas

>11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.a ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’

>14“But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’

>15“He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.

>16“The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’

>17“ ‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’

>18“The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’

>19“His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’

>20“Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’

>22“His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’

>24“Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’

>25“ ‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’

>26“He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’ ”

>>614922

Good catch. Context does matter. You can't go around quoting snippets of the bible Quran or otherwise without having the proper context.

>>614242

Islam, like every other religion, is both mutually exclusive with, and counterproductive to the implementation of communism.

>>614492

That didn't stop Jain rulers throughout the ages from waging wars of aggression on neighboring kingdoms

Reminder that Zizek is the only one with a reasonable response to this bullshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLNU3wqG12M

>>614984

i haven't watched this but i have a feeling the lecture is hard to keep up with and while he occasionally says some profound things by the end of the video you don't have any firm, conclusive feelings one way or the other about it

>>614982

Didn't stop le peesful boodists from killing rohynga Muslims in burma

>>614995

>Gomunismus

I don't know why, but I fucking love the German -ismus ending. It's so fucking goofy…

>>614991

Actually, it's torwards the end when people in the audience challenge him that he gives somewhat concise answers. The prior context helps but you can skip it if you want.

>>615724

See the actual quotations here >>611635