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 No.10982

Let's settle this once and for all, guys: Did the holocaust happen?

 No.10985

>>10982

Yes but the holodomor didn't


 No.10991

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>Did the Holocaust happen?

Yes

>Did the Holodomor happen?

Yes

>Did Pinochet kill thousands of Idealist Innocents whose only crime was to oppose him peacefully?

No, they were filthy commies and therefore not innocent


 No.10992

>8 ovens

>a million bodies

>2 hours per body

>literally cannot into math


 No.10993

>>10992

Ovens weren't the only way of body disposal in Auschwitz, and two hours per body is a bit much. Crematories have an interest in being thorough (so your grandmas ashes are not mixed with those of some dirty hobo the mob is trying to get rid off), they are cleaned meticulously and therefore, you can't shove body after body into them. Not so much in Auschwitz.


 No.11005

>>10982

>Did the holocaust happen?

Yes, but it wasn't caused by ovens, it was caused by typhoid fever/starvation due to the Allies bombing them. Not gas chambers and ovens.

>Did the Holodomor happen?

Well considering even Russia admits it, probably it did happen.

>Did Pinochet kill thousands of Idealist Innocents?

Probably, and there were probably violent activists as well.

Government.


 No.11006

>>10993

Even if that's the case, modern crematoriums are much higher temp and yet they still can do it in maximum 45 minutes with the average dead body. Many of the "victims" were actualyl fat, not skeletons, and you can't just shove dozens of bodies in at once, it would smother the flames/actually take LONGER to burn up.

See >>11005


 No.11008

Yes. And it should happen again, but this time with the collectivists in the oven.


 No.11012

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>>11005

>>10991

Nope, try again


 No.11017

>>11012

>All Sources are from Soviet/Russian Archives

Discarded


 No.11020

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>>11012

Not falling for it.


 No.11021

>>11020

>that filename

kek


 No.11024

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>>10982

Yes. Most common "theories" can be refuted at:

The ADL's site:

http://archive.adl.org/holocaust/response.html

The Jewish Virtual Library:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/denial1.html

Denying History by Michael Shermer and Alex Grobman is supposed to be pretty good too. I listened to their talk on the book, found here before and found their summarized points to be pretty damning for Holocaust denial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrMQpeWmDXA

Essentially, Holocaust deniers' main purpose is to promote fascism by wiping out evidence of its crimes, or at least introducing doubts about them. It also opens Jews back up to attack, and makes use of the time-old "muh Jewish world conspiracy" while simultaneously legitimizing it. "Those sneaky Jews fooled the whole world into thinking this happened!" quickly leads to the renewal of anti-Semitism and the Protocols mythos.

Add to that the fact that "deniers" frequently change their acceptable threshold of evidence dramatically between different cases; their work is ideologically driven, poorly researched, and shoddily argued.

And here's a nice summary of "denier" tactics and fallacies if you're interested in reading more: http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic1350019.files/Shermer-how-we-know-holocaust.pdf

>inb4 "those things don't count because they're Jewish lies"


 No.11026

>>11024

those things don't count because they're big guys for you


 No.11028

>>11012

>Population growth of 2% during war torn starving etc.

Actually, that's pretty fucking accurate considering average growth in industrializing ("industrializing") nations is closer to 7-12%.


 No.11029

>>11024

You don't need to be a fascist or a holocaust denier to see the harm in holocaust denial laws.

If the evidence is there, why the fuck does the state need to defend it, gadsdenbrah?


 No.11030

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 No.11031

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 No.11034

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>>11024

>Theaters, plays, and swimming pools at Auschwitz

>People "gassed" 5+ times, yet still alive

>Gas chambers having no built in protection mechanism for German soldiers (gas could escape out)

>Wildly inconsistent "survivor" speculation

>Hitler never said he wanted to kill Jews, just deport them

>Zyklon B, the "gas", was commonly used to kill lice

>No news outlet ever reports that the allies bombed the supply line, which is why the Jews died of starvation

>It's illegal to question "facts" in most of Europe, for some odd reason

>6 million Jews didn't even live in Europe at the time

Yeah, the Holocaust(==tm==) totally happened.


 No.11035

>>11020

Great, now the MvC2 character select music is stuck in my head.


 No.11036

>>11026

kek

>>11029

I didn't defend making it illegal to question the Holocaust, I only said it's stupid to. You're being a useful idiot to neo-Nazis when you do, which should be bad enough.

>>11034

Literally look through the links and it will address most of those points. Christ, that was just a Pavlovian response.


 No.11043

>>11036

it wasn't pavlovian i didn't salivate


 No.11049

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>>11043

I rang the bell and got the usual reaction, as if there was training involved. Forgive me, I know I didn't use the psych term correctly, just used it as a metaphor. I did get an image of a white nationalist drooling as he thought of Jews though, made me chuckle.


 No.11075

>>10992

You're forgetting big holes in the ground. Those work too, for when the ovens are too slow.


 No.11080

>>11075

Gonna need a lot of fuel.

Bodies are mostly water.


 No.11123

>>11080

Woah it's almost like trains have this thing that burns that fuel them


 No.11146

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>>11080

only 100C is needed to kill a Russian in a Finnish sauna


 No.11151

>>11080

Why do you need fuel to bury bodies in mass graves?


 No.11152

>>11123

And you're gonna use that precious resource while Allies have bombed your supply lines? Sounds retarded.

>>11146

How much does it take to turn them to ashes? Or at least into a spoopy skelington?

>>11151

Because bodies are mostly water. It would be like trying to burn freshly chopped wood right after a rain storm.


 No.11153

>>11152

>>11151

More accurately, when did burned up bodies become mass graves? You can track the typhoid fever from mass graves.


 No.11172

>>11153

Stop being a useful idiot for stormfaggots please.


 No.11175

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>>10992

http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/cremation1.html

The time to burn a body in one of the crematories was around twenty minutes, according to this source.

Doc related gives a number of several thousand bodies that could be burned in all ovens in a day.

>>11006

Funny how everyone is an expert on crematories as soon as the holocaust is brought up.

>Many of the "victims" were actualyl fat, not skeletons

Not fatter than the average person nowadays, and there were a lot of skeletons (Muselmänner), children and women.

And what's up with calling them "victims", not victims? Even if they all died from typhus or starvation - which they didn't -, they still died because the nazis put them into a concentration camp, robbing them of their ability to care for themselves.


 No.11177

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

I can't say this often enough, y'all niggas gotta check out Finkelstein.


 No.11178

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>>11177

>Finkelstein has described himself as "an old-fashioned communist," in the sense that he "see[s] no value whatsoever in states." Before moving his shift to libertarian socialism, Finkelstein spent several years as a dedicated Maoist.


 No.11179

>>11178

Well, nobody is perfect. If any commie got his heart in the right place, it might be Finkelstein. Admittedly, I haven't read much on his political views yet, other than that he fucking hates the JCC and the WJC.


 No.11180

>>11179

Funny thing is, Finkelstein actually defended Switzer Banks from these organizations, which is pretty strange for a commie.


 No.11186

>>11175

>And what's up with calling them "victims", not victims? Even if they all died from typhus or starvation - which they didn't -, they still died because the nazis put them into a concentration camp, robbing them of their ability to care for themselves.

Because Nazi apologists are fucking evil. It's not enough to say that the Jews, etc. weren't intentionally killed, and that their deaths were only the result of the allies inhibiting the ability of the Germans to provide loving care to their prisoners, they also have to imply that if a few of them were killed intentionally and brutally that they probably deserved it for being enemies to the glorious state.


 No.11187

>>11186

wew, left over that flag from my "gib" post.


 No.11189

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>>11187

>ancap falseflagging again


 No.11191

>>11152

Last time I checked you don't cremate people before you bury them. That's the entire point of cremation, retards. I'm talking about a good, old-fashioned, mass grave filled with rotting corpses.

>>11153

They can dispose of bodies in more than one way, you know.

https://www.google.com/search?q=nazi+mass+grave&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMIoPzE69jRyAIVAstjCh2Pew3d&biw=1600&bih=802


 No.11192

>>11189

>>11187

You really need to cut that shit out.


 No.11193

>>11189

yes I'm sure people will mistake this for a serious post

>>11174

durr


 No.11194

>>11186

>and that their deaths were only the result of the allies inhibiting the ability of the Germans to provide loving care to their prisoners

This, so many fucking times. It's especially funny on /liberty/. The common ground of all libertarian ideologies is that we suffer crying fits if you so much as stop someone to search his car, yet somehow, if you lock thousands of people up without due process or even for any kind of rational reason, some of us think it's not your fault if these people die from sickness or starvation. Imagine this kind of reasoning in a hostage situation.

>Not my fault this hostage died! The police cut off all insulin-supplies.


 No.11196

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>>11172

>Stop being a useful idiot for stormfaggots please.

No.

Stormfags are faggots, but they aren't always wrong. If we question the official lines by government and virtually everything the USSR said was fact, why the fuck aren't we questioning the holocaust when it was disproved/severely reduced everywhere outside of USSR-inspected facilities? Facilities we couldn't even inspect because they tore them down before we could even get there without good reason other than "muh feels?"

It's sketchy as all fuck, anon. You don't gotta be a nazi to realize that.

>>11175

I'd like to see you cremate a body in twenty minutes. Maybe with high enough temperatures and enough fuel you could burn a body that quickly, or at least turn it into a spooky skeleton, but their ovens were not efficient and people in concentration camps were not fucking skeletons in Eastern Europe like they were in Western Europe because supply lines weren't bombed nearly as badly in Eastern Europe. Jewish Hungarians were fucking overweight. Keep in mind the only places that are still considered death camps were under USSR jurisdiction, and we weren't allowed to fucking find out for ourselves before they tore them down.

>Doc related gives a number of several thousand bodies that could be burned in all ovens in a day.

Too lazy to pull out my German dictionary/haven't read German efficiently in about half a year, but I'm pretty sure your pic related was from a typhoid fever outbreak excerpt, not from Eastern Europe where the official death camps were.

>Funny how everyone is an expert on crematories as soon as the holocaust is brought up.

Funny how lovers of liberty hate the state until inconvenient truths are capable of being hidden by it.

>they still died because the nazis put them into a concentration camp, robbing them of their ability to care for themselves.

There's a few different branches and I'm not sure which one is true in this instance since I haven't read up enough on it, but I'm relatively sure they had access to basic health care. As I've stated before, if you want to blame anyone, blame the allies who bombed the shit out of Germany's infrastructure/civilian areas.

Keep in mind Typhoid fever is to Europeans as Ebola is to Africans.

Why is government suddenly right when a modest probability exists that they're the ones hiding the truth?

You can admit that the holocaust was a man-made disaster caused by illness and starvation from allied bombings while still keeping your convictions about the state and its war-like aspects being a piece of shit.


 No.11197

>>11194

Fuck off, Kike apologist. 6 million Jews didn't even inhabit Europe at the time. Think about it: if they're lying about the number, what else are they lying about?


 No.11198

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>>11196

See all links in

>>11024

You're forgetting the organized death squads and other mobilized killing units, the Nazi officers bragging to each other about their human cargo's attrition rates in transit, the confessions at Nuremburg, etc, etc. And even if you do buy that they were just putting them in the camps, they had declared that they were going to eradicate these people, be they Jews, Communists, Poles, gays, etc. How are you stupid enough to believe it was all an accident that all those people died? It seems pretty clear to me that if you declare that you'll purge these people off the face of the Earth, and you do just that, that it was no accident. Christ.

Also, all Soviet secret records are out in public now. If they had fabricated evidence, it would have been discussed in those files they thought would never see the light of day. We know shit that would've made Stalin's head spin about his regime, and you don't think we don't know about the heavy involvement of the USSR in Eastern Europe immediately after the war? Especially in a place as virulently anti-Semitic as Russia, with its far right ultra-nationalist agitators? Jesus, if the Holocaust had been faked by the Soviets they'd have a field day because it'd prove the Jews had controlled the Soviet Union and that Russia dindu nuffin'. You can hardly wade into a thread on /pol/ about the current Ukraine-Russia conflict without accusations of which side is more controlled by Judaism being thrown around - do you really think they'd just sit on the information that the USSR lied to aid Jews?

Honestly. To believe that they lied about everything is to trust stormfags, who have a clear agenda, more than every academic, every survivor, and every eyewitness and Nazi confessor. That's just bizarre.


 No.11199

>>11198

>confessions at Nuremburg

I stopped reading there. Not even a /pol/ack, but how stupid are you? They tortured the hell out of those soldiers for false confessions. You admit anything too, if someone was hammering nails into your kneecap.


 No.11200

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>>11197

>being this retarded

>>11199

Yeah fucking right, they tortured the shit out of hundreds people who were proud of the "service" they had rendered to their volk. They have the confessions, they have the physical evidence, they have the records.

Just how many proofs does a stormfag need, man? How many proofs? I swear, you're worse than paid Kremlin shitposters. Nothing will ever prove the Holocaust to you retards - I could just as easily argue that the Earth were flat, if I set my standard of evidence for accepting such a proposition so high that it would never be attained. This is just asinine.


 No.11201

>>11200

>I don't believe in the holohoax, so I must be a stormfag

>Former Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höss was tortured by British

officials into signing a false and self-incriminating "confession"

that has been widely cited as a key document of Holocaust

extermination. His testimony before the Nuremberg Tribunal, a high

point of the proceeding, was perhaps the most striking and memorable

evidence presented there of a German extermination program. (note 73)

Höss maintained that two and half million people had been killed in

Auschwitz gas chambers, and that another 500,000 inmates had died

there of other causes. No serious or reputable historian now accepts

either of these fantastic figures, and other key portions of Höss'

"confession" are now generally acknowledged to be untrue. (note 74)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.history.what-if/dDEP_nNXII0


 No.11202

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>>11201

>check source

>Institute for Historical Review

>go to site

>nothing but anti-Jewish and pro-Russian articles

>some imply Jewish control of governments worldwide

>David Irving books and Nazi fetish material on the sidebar

>scroll for miles, nothing but Naziboo wank material

Utter garbage.


 No.11203

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>11202

Deny this. The Jews themselves admit that there were plays, football, orchestras, and other kinds of things.


 No.11204

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>>11203

So there was some nice shit there? That's great, you don't want these people to know you're going to murder them all. Idle hands and all that jazz.

Seriously, you want to give them some hope that it's just temporary imprisonment. It's the same reason we don't just put prisoners in jail with nothing to do. If they knew they had nothing to lose, then they would be more desperate and probably do something nuts.

The ultimate purpose of the camps, of the round-ups, and the transportation of millions of people thousands of miles to holding cells wasn't done for their own good; it was clear that the Nazis hated these people, and had called for their deaths thousands of times. Suddenly, millions of these people die. How stupid would it be to not put two and two together?


 No.11205

>>11204

>called for their deaths thousands of times

>yfw Hitler only wanted them deported, not killed. He never ordered "le final solution."

>yfw I hate Hitler, and fascists

Don't be a kike apologist. Neither side was innocent, but don't believe the Jewish narrative force-fed to you for years in secondary school.


 No.11206

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>>11205

>1. The Holocaust Did Not Occur Because There Is No Single "Master Plan" for Jewish Annihilation

>There is no single Nazi document that expressly enumerates a "master plan" for the annihilation of European Jewry. Holocaust-denial propagandists misrepresent this fact as an exposure of the Holocaust "hoax"; in doing so, they reveal a fundamentally misleading approach to the history of the era. That there was no single document does not mean there was no plan. The "Final Solution" — the Nazis' comprehensive plan to murder all European Jews — was, as the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust observes, "the culmination of a long evolution of Nazi Jewish policy." 1 The destruction process was shaped gradually: it was borne of many thousands of directives.2

>The development and implementation of this process was overseen and directed by the highest tier of Nazi leadership, including Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich, Adolf Eichmann, Hermann Goering and Adolf Hitler himself. For the previous two decades, Hitler had relentlessly pondered Jewish annihilation.3 In a September 16, 1919, letter he wrote that while "the Jewish problem" demanded an "anti-Semitism of reason" – comprising systematic legal and political sanctions – "the final goal, however, must steadfastly remain the removal of the Jews altogether."4

>Throughout the 1920s, Hitler maintained that "the Jewish question" was the "pivotal question" for his Party and would be solved "with well-known German thoroughness to the final consequence."5 With his assumption to power in 1933, Hitler's racial notions were implemented by measures that increasingly excluded Jews from German society.

On January 30, 1939, Hitler warned that if Jewish financiers and Bolsheviks initiated war, "The result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe."6 On, September 21, 1939, after the Germans invaded Poland, SD chief Heydrich ordered the Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing units operating in German-occupied territory) to forcibly concentrate Polish Jews into ghettos, alluding to an unspecified "final aim." 7

>In the summer of 1941, with preparations underway for invading Russia, large-scale mass murder initiatives – already practiced domestically upon the mentally ill and deformed – were broadly enacted against Jews. Heydrich, acting on Hitler's orders, directed the Einsatzgruppen to implement the "special tasks" of annihilation in the Soviet Union of Jews and Soviet commissars.8 On July 31, Heydrich received orders from Goering to prepare plans "for the implementation of the aspired final solution of the Jewish question" in all German-occupied areas.9 Eichmann, while awaiting trial in Israel in 1960, related that Heydrich had told him in August 1941 that "the Führer has ordered the physical extermination of the Jews."10 Rudolf Hoess, the Commandant of Auschwitz, wrote in 1946 that "In the summer of 1941… Himmler said to me, 'The Führer has ordered the Final Solution to the Jewish Question… I have chosen the Auschwitz camp for this purpose.' "11

>On January 20, 1942, Heydrich convened the Wannsee Conference to discuss and coordinate implementation of the Final Solution. Eichmann later testified at his trial:

>These gentlemen… were discussing the subject quite bluntly, quite differently from the language that I had to use later in the record. During the conversation they minced no words about it at all… they spoke about methods of killing, about liquidation, about extermination.12

>Ten days after the conference, while delivering a speech at the Sports Palace in Berlin that was recorded by the Allied monitoring service, Hitler declared: "The result of this war will be the complete annihilation of the Jews. . . the hour will come when the most evil universal enemy of all time will be finished, at least or a thousand years."13 On February 24, 1943, he stated: "This struggle will not end with the annihilation of Aryan mankind, but with the extermination of the Jewish people in Europe.14

http://archive.adl.org/holocaust/response.html

So Hitler merely predicted the annihilation of Jews dozens and dozens of times, annihilation that would come about through his actions. Just because he didn't write "kill all Jews!!!1!" doesn't mean that wasn't his intent. Also, cute "wake up sheeple" at the end there.

>inb4 proofs


 No.11207

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>>11200

>Just how many proofs does a stormfag need, man?

People aren't arrested and thrown in prison for questioning 9/11, and 9/11 truthers have far less evidence than holocaust deniers who don't even deny the holocaust, just that the Nazis were evil or that it was an organized intentional genocide.

When the state doesn't keep people from questioning it via force so that independent third parties can investigate the claims that are made, we can come to a consensus, and not a moment sooner. I'm sure the Nazis committed mass atrocities, and I'm also sure the Commies and Western Europe committed similar if not even worse atrocities since there's just as much evidence.

>tfw not even a stormfag, just an Anarchist Weeb working a trade job


 No.11208

>>11196

>their ovens were not efficient

They were specifically designed for burning shitloads of bodies in a short amount of time. I have never heard that they were inefficient.

>and people in concentration camps were not fucking skeletons in Eastern Europe like they were in Western Europe

First time I hear this. Sauce?

>Too lazy to pull out my German dictionary/haven't read German efficiently in about half a year, but I'm pretty sure your pic related was from a typhoid fever outbreak excerpt, not from Eastern Europe where the official death camps were.

It specifically mentions Auschwitz in the lower right corner.

>Funny how lovers of liberty hate the state until inconvenient truths are capable of being hidden by it.

Actually, I hate the german defamation laws. Holocaust denial should not be a crime.

>There's a few different branches and I'm not sure which one is true in this instance since I haven't read up enough on it, but I'm relatively sure they had access to basic health care. As I've stated before, if you want to blame anyone, blame the allies who bombed the shit out of Germany's infrastructure/civilian areas.

It doesn't matter whether they had access to health care. If you lock someone up, you become responsible for his wellbeing, end of story, especially when you put him in an extremely vulnerable position, like in the middle of a fucking concenctration camp with thousands of other guys who may or may not have typhus. You got no food for your prisoner because you were robbed? Too fucking bad, it's your fucking duty to provide your prisoners with food because you robbed them of their ability to provide it for themselves.


 No.11209

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>>11205

Pretty much this.

Pro-Holocaust evidence:

>Camps existed (their status as death camps is questionable)

>People were interred in camps (just like the Japanese in America)

>People died in camps (of which many German documents were destroyed)

>People worked in camps

>Pro-Jewish sources, the only ones allowed to legally investigate the holocaust, claim it happened based on evidence

Holocaust Denial evidence:

>Many soldier witness testimonies were falsified/caused by torture

>Witnesses have failed lie detector tests repeatedly

>Skin Lamps and soap have been proven utter bullshit

>Laws of Thermodynamics disagree with mass burning of bodies, but it's ALWAYS implied that the bodies were burned

>Many photos fail to pass modern photoshop capturing standards, suggesting they were maliciously altered

>Gas chambers were officially de-lousing chambers according to German documents

>The "shower room" doors could easily be broken out of if people panicked humans are capable of breaking down cement walls when they push against each other in an adrenaline rush to escape, pretty sure this happened at a soccer stadium in Italy during a riot.

>The soviets literally made renovations before allowing other nations to visit Eastern European sites

>The soviets also burned thousands of documents kept by the Nazis, which will effectively keep the whole truth from ever being known

>All Western European sites were proven to be concentration camps, not death camps

>The Red Cross couldn't find evidence of mass inhumane torture/killings, the Nazis openly welcomed them in on both routine and randomized inspection to make sure of this

>The numbers are increasingly becoming lower with each passing year/each new piece of evidence

>Typhoid fever was a thing

>It's illegal to investigate the holocaust unless you're Jewish and studying it from an pro-Jewish standpoint


 No.11210

>>11201

His account can be discarded, then. Doesn't mean all other evidence can be discarded, and theres plenty of evidence, including this:

>>11204

>it was clear that the Nazis hated these people, and had called for their deaths thousands of times. Suddenly, millions of these people die. How stupid would it be to not put two and two together?

>>11205

He totally called for the eradication of the jews. In an interview from 1922, he said, well, that he will eradicate all jews. There was zero ambiguity in it. Sauce from the german wikipedia:

>Josef Hell: Aufzeichnungen, 1922, ZS 640, p. 5


 No.11211

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>>11210

>He totally called for the eradication of the jews

That's still not solid proof that the Nazis did anything. Politicians claim things in their speeches all the time. Does everything that Obama says have to be written in stone, and analyzed as truth, years later? Hitler was trying to rile people up, and get elected. If we admit that as evidence, than anything can be used as evidence.


 No.11212

>>11207

Just because the state violently pushes a certain narrative does not mean this narrative is entirely wrong. It's a good reason to be skeptical, but that's about it.


 No.11213

>>11209

>Witnesses have failed lie detector tests repeatedly

Lie detector tests are bullshit.


 No.11214

>>11211

>That's still not solid proof that the Nazis did anything

>Person calls for death of group many times, calling them vile enemies

>Interns group into camp

>Group dies by the million

>It was j-just an accident!


 No.11215

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>They were specifically designed for burning shitloads of bodies in a short amount of time. I have never heard that they were inefficient.

These are your ovens that were specifically designed for burning shitloads of bodies in a short amount of time.

They are about six feet deep, and can hold only two bodies abreast.

Burning two bodies abreast actually slows down the process even more than burning one body.

Ignoring the fuel questions, these ovens if they compare to some of the fastest crematoriums on the market today would take about 2, to 2 1/2 hours to burn. That isn't including time for prep, just sticking it in there and running it. Using the best crematory furnaces on the market today. Fat actually helps the burning process, but even if we assume the Auschwitz ovens didn't give a shit about proper burning and only wanted to make them good for disposing of bodies quickly, it would still take about an hour minimum to go through a body since these were obviously not blast furnaces.

I did the calculations myself because I didn't believe them. To equal up to the current numbers suggested by pro-holocaust evidence, you would have to run these ovens 24/7 without ever cleaning them or stopping them for any reason to even come close to the numbers suggested. It's simply not possible unless the Nazis invented a new type of oven that works differently from modern crematoriums and which never breaks down for any reason.


 No.11216

>>11215

Meant for >>11208


 No.11217

>>11212

>Just because the communists violently pushed that the Holodomor never happened doesn't mean they're entirely wrong, it's good to be skeptical about if the Holodomor didn't happen, but that's about it.


 No.11218

>>11214

>Correlation ≠ Causation


 No.11220

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>>11209

Wow, there are a lot of weak things there friend. I think the bolt-lock doors could have been broken down if people tried, solid evidence. Some things were lies, therefore it's all lies - Santa isn't real and that's why we just can't celebrate Christmas anymore.

Seriously, I keep posting these links but no one reads them. The biggest chunks of denialism have already been pretty much handled in the first two links here >>11024

Just because it's illegal in parts of Europe to deny it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Jesus, I'm tired of this wake up sheeple! attitude.

>>11215

The great part about being in a death camp is that ovens aren't needed for everyone.

>>11218

>I think we should kill all of X

>all of X are killed by person saying ^

>well what if they didn't mean it

I mean, it's a pretty solid link anon. This is like a kid telling you he wants a cookie, you saying no, and then catching that kid with his hand in the cookie jar and then buying his story that he was just placing them there for safe keeping. I mean shit. That is so fucking weak man, and you know it.


 No.11221

>>11220

>Santa isn't real and that's why we just can't celebrate Christmas anymore.

Why do you keep trying to associate "gas ovens didn't exist and the Germans weren't any more evil than anyone else" with "the holocaust never happened" bruh?

>>11220

>The great part about being in a death camp is that ovens aren't needed for everyone.

The great thing about stats is if you say "X number of people were gassed & oven'd," you can't turn around and say "w-well they died in other ways too!"

Why did they have to change it from "gassed" to "killed in numerous ways" in the first place if their data was supposedly correct from the start?

You're still ignoring the fact that all evidence of "death camps" came from Soviet sites where the Allies were not allowed to investigate first hand, or where when they were allowed to investigate, the sites were found to have been heavily renovated by the USSR.

Why are you being a slippery kike?

Why do you keep pointing to the ADL/Jewish sources which have a vested interest in propagating the holocaust instead of independent third parties and thinking anyone would take them seriously? That's like the seismologist in Poland who's studying the death camps there and coming to conclusions based on the assumption that the holocaust had to happen in the first place rather than proving its existence or non-existence.

Why are you so intent on defaming any contrary evidence when the basis for pointing out said evidence is "government shouldn't be involved and not all of the facts match up, let third party sources find out the truth to the best of their abilities" anon?

Why do you trust state education in the first place when it's administered by the state?

I'm arguing with you as much as I have been because you're coming across more and more as a filthy kike than as a legit poster who cares about liberty and getting to the actual facts, so I'll repeat myself…

End government crimes against holocaust denialism and let third parties actually investigate and get to the full truth. The truth does not need to be protected by the state.


 No.11224

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>>11221

>Why are you being a slippery kike?

>ADL and Jewish sources are all lies because Jews can't tell the truth I guess

>no proofs are proofs enough for me

Opinion discarded.


 No.11225

I've looked into argument both against and for holocaust denial and I still don't know.

Though I think we can all agree that illegalizing denial is bullshit.


 No.11227

>>11225

It shouldn't have an affect on your world view either way. The Nazis were still bastardly bastards, irredeemable even if they "only" wanted to export millions of people- and let's remember, they did intentionally execute GERMAN children because they were useless eaters aka disabled, whatever.

But yes speech should not be prohibited, the idea that we need to hush up fascists with authoritarian methods is like beating the shit out of your kid for hitting his sibling or raping people to promote abstinence.


 No.11229

>>11227

an effect*


 No.11234

>>11227

>It shouldn't have an affect on your world view either way.

This.

>The Nazis were still bastardly bastards

This, so much. The Volksgerichtshof alone is reason enough to condemn the nazis, although no /pol/ack seems to have heard of it.


 No.11310

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jankiel_Wiernik

>Jankiel (Yankel or Yaakov) Wiernik (Hebrew:יעקב ויירניק) (born 1889- died 1972) was a Polish-Jewish Holocaust survivor who was an influential figure in the Treblinka extermination camp uprising. After his escape during the uprising of 2 August 1943, Wiernik wrote a clandestine account of the camp's operation titled A Year in Treblinka consisting of his experiences and eyewitness testimony of a Sonderkommando slave worker

http://www.zchor.org/treblink/wiernik.htm

>A gas chamber measured 5 x 5 meters and was about 1.90 meters high

>Between [b]450 and 500 persons[/b] were crowded into a chamber measuring 25 square meters.


 No.11312

>>11310

400 is actually pretty feasible I think


 No.11314

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>>11312

>16 people per square meter

Maybe if they were Liliputians


 No.11398

>>10982

Of course it did. Genocide is tragic, but it's not exactly rare. There have been dozens of genocides or attempted genocides in the 20th century alone. Holodomor, Armenian genocide, Kurdish genocide, Serbian/Albanian genocides, Cambodia, Korean Peninsula, East Timor, the "Marsh Arabs" in Iraq… not even getting into the African genocides which occur every few years. Or the Chinese committing genocide against multiple ethnic minorities. In the late 19th century the USA committed genocide against the native Indians living in the west – the Army walked into villages and outright slaughtered peaceful women and children.

Genocides occur in human history all the time when the existence of a minority population is inconvenient to the majority population, which absolutely was the case in Nazi Germany.

The only thing notable about the Jewish holocaust is that the claimed body-count is so high. But that doesn't surprise me either because there is a world of difference between what Germans can accomplish and a what a bunch of Africans running around with machetes can accomplish. Of course Germans were good at genocide, they're good at everything they put their minds to.

Now you could argue that the 6 million figure is bunk, and it's really 3 million or 1 million or even 500,000 and it got inflated due to allied propaganda during the post-war years. At that point we're just quibbling over numbers. But to say the holocaust didn't occur at all is laughably stupid.


 No.11407

>>11398

>Of course Germans were good at genocide, they're good at everything they put their minds to.

Th-thanks.

Thanks for mentioning the singularity-hypothesis. Some scholars like to claim the holocaust was somehow unique, compared to other genocides, which is a bunch of nonsense and ultimately stems from blatant elitism.


 No.11689

>>11407

Probably the "worst" holocaust (if one is able to rate these things) that was ever committed in recorded history was against the native peoples in the Americas.


 No.11698

>>11689

but most of that was just disease, fam…. And the native Americans would have been exposed to such diseases sooner or later.


 No.11699

>>11689

Killing off something like 80% of the population and collapsing just about every civilisation wasn't intentional tho.


 No.11726

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 No.11727

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 No.11730

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 No.11737

>>11726

Aren't these population figures just because there was no new census until well after the end of the war, so they were projected?


 No.11739

>>11737

I guess /pol/ is sick of ruining /n/ and they've discovered /liberty/


 No.11741

>>11726

>>11727

>>11730

> the holocaust never happened

>but it was the best thing ever


 No.11753

>>11741

Actually, this is what /pol/acks sound like to me.


 No.11755

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