/liberty/ - Liberty

Also, isn't Bioshock a critique of Anarcho-Capitalism?

>>11258

>In a Libertarian society, would poverty be impossible?

No, if you're lazy, stupid, and no one likes you, it's feasible.

>Don't markets crash because capitalism

Why, because people suddenly become too greedy all at once? And their greed, just due to random chance, reaches critical mass at random points? No. Look up Austrian economics, business cycles are caused by the Federal reserve/government interference in the "price" of money (the interest rate.)

>Has a Libertarian society ever been achieved in history?

Pretty close. America in the 1870-1890, without slavery, was very classically liberal, in fact, people thought (classical) liberalism (what we know as libertarianism) was going to last for a really, really long time. Fucking "progressives" ruined that in the 20th century.

>Post an image that is what you would think the ideal free market would look like

Imagine a boot not stomping on a face

>are there any at all conspiracies that /liberty/ believes?

Not that I can think of… But I'll run through a list of shit I don't believe in:

-Hidden cure for cancer

-Chemtrails

-Holocaust being a hoax

-Fluoride in water being intentionally used as a means of population control

-9/11 being the Jews

-Moonlanding being faked

-The Earth being flat

-Evolutionary theory being invented as a justification for racism (people believe this)

>Also, isn't Bioshock a critique of Anarcho-Capitalism?

More or less. Libertarianism in general.

>>11264

>Yes, on too many occasions to count. Libertarianism is the easy one to achieve, it's minarchism and anarchism that are hard mode for societies to achieve and both have been achieved as well on multiple occasions.

Please tell me more about these occasions and societies. What states and or nations achieved this?

>>11265

>inb4 you refute all of them with shitty arguments

Assuming you're legit, anon, I used to have a list somewhere, but just off the top of my head you have…

Ancient Greece, Iceland, Zomia, Somalia, Carolingian Law in the Holy Roman Empire, 'Murrica before The Great War, Ancient Ireland, Zomia, Cospaia, probably a shit ton of others too that I'm forgetting. Government ownership of all property etc. is a relatively new concept brought on in the last hundred or two hundred years. Kings might have owned land, but no one stopped you from building your inn or house wherever the fuck you wanted outside the walled gates and sometimes within.

>>11269

thank you anon

>>11259

It's a shitty critique of anarchocapitalism (objectivism, actually). It basically reiterates the same points that have been made over and over, without really expanding on them or addressing the counterarguments. Plus - correct me if I'm wrong - Rapture did resort to authoritarian methods and it did interfere with free trade.

>>11282

Andrew Ryan did both of those things. The instant he violated the NAP, Rapture was no longer an ancap society.

>>11260

I used to believe the conspiracy about a hidden cure for cancer. I'm still a little skeptical considering Australians are studying Irukandji DNA to figure out how their poison is formed to target specific cells.

> In a Libertarian society, would poverty be impossible?

It would be universal.

>>11269

>pre-capitalist societies proving capitalism works

Are you really this clueless?

>>12176

The argument was proving near-anarchy works u faggot

>>11262

>I feel like this one gets debunked a lot. So basically the theory stands that the Government uses Chemtrails for population control, but don't government officials breath air as well? Everyone suffers from this, even the elite.

I didn't believe in chemtrails until recently. One day I was in a part of the city near the airport/air route. The sky was clear and blue. A plane went overhead and its trail dissipated quite a shore distance behind it.

About 15 minutes later, a different plane followed a similar route, was exactly the same shape/size and apparently altitude. It's trail did not dissipate, and instead "spread out" until it looked like someone took a big fat white magic market and drew a thick line across the sky. I then noticed several other planes flying on perpendicular or parallel routes, that also left such trails. About an hour after the very first plane, the entire sky was tinged grey/white.

That is not "water vapor." Water vapor from a plane does not turn the sky grey.

>>11269

>Kings might have owned land, but no one stopped you from building your inn or house wherever the fuck you wanted outside the walled gates and sometimes within.

And actually, the appeal of the Americas was specifically because 100% of the land on the UK was owned by this lord or that, and it brought on extreme poverty. But with the Colonies it was like "oh shit, I can just build a house and do what the fuck I want and work the land without the lord taking 90% of my labor? Awesome!"

That didn't last long.

>In a Libertarian society, would poverty be impossible?

Of course poverty would be possible, but that's OK. As long as communities and cultures are preserved, people will be helped. Thing is, the government isn't really helping the people by taxing them.

Poverty is natural, and that's OK. What's worse than some poverty is a lot of government intervention. You know, if the people are less dependent on the government and more community/family-focused, they'll be more motivated to work. "Welfare" (aka giving people free money) doesn't seem to encourage people to work or be independent…

>Don't markets crash after being highly decentralized?

I don't think so. But regardless, why place everything in the hands of a central/federal government? If they crash, everything crashes. Decentralization is much safer – economically, politically and religiously (Catholics will disagree)

>Has a Libertarian society ever been achieved in history?

In my opinion, America was libertarian. And boy did it work… Ever notice how most inventions are American? Or how… Americans went to the moon? [australian jealousy intensifies]

>Post an image that is what you would think the ideal free market would look like

A photo of a farmer feeding his family would probably do the trick

>are there any at all conspiracies that /liberty/ believes?

9/11 was an inside job (I think everybody knows that by now)

Less than 6 million people died in the Holocaust

Jewish religion and culture is malicious

There is a New World Order and it's almost here

The Antichrist is real and he will lead the New World Order, as described in the Bible

I could list a few more, but I've already convinced you that I'm an illuminate-confirmed-tin-foil-creationist so there's no point

>>17858

Why did you bump this old thread?

>>12176

They weren't all pre- 'capitalism'

And I don't see what difference it makes

>>17860

Why was it still in the catalog?

>>11259

Specifically a critique of objectivism. Though when you look at what Andrew Ryan did to his competition and competitive ideas, it's more of a critique of one's failure to stick to his principles.

>>11262

>How does /liberty/ feel about x

>Identity politics

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